“The notion of a golden age of Islamic learning is a myth created to counter the current sorry state of intellectual life in the Islamic world.” Indeed so. A provocative perspective from India: “The Myth of Islamic Science,” by N.S. Rajaram, India Facts, April 2, 2015 (thanks to K.R.):
In this provocative essay, Waseem Altaf, the author argues that the notion of a golden age of Islamic learning is a myth created to counter the current sorry state of intellectual life in the Islamic world.
Introduced by Dr. N.S. Rajaram
Editor’s introduction
It is widely believed and taught, including in India, that there was a Golden Age of Islamic learning that made a major contribution to science and the arts. In India we are told that this ‘synthesis’ between Hindu and Muslim thought gave rise to a great ‘syncretic’ civilization that was suppressed and eventually destroyed by the British. However, this flies in the face of the fact that not a single name of a major scientist from the five-plus centuries of Islamic rule of India has come down to us. We have to go to pre-Islamic India to invoke names from the past— names like Aryabhata, Varahamihira and the like.
It is a similar story when we look at universities or centers of learning. Pre-Islamic India was renowned for its universities: Takshashila, Vikramashila, Nalanda, Ujjain and other places attracted students and scholars alike from far and wide, much like the United States of today.
After the establishment of the Delhi Sultanate, not a single center of learning (other than Islamic seminaries) was established for over seven centuries. The first modern universities came to be established only during the British rule.
Also worth noting is the fact that the so-called ‘synthesis’ of learning took place before Islamic invasions engulfed both India and Persia in a Dark Age. The Sassanid emperor Kosrau I deserves much of the credit for work that is wrongly credited to Islamic rulers and scholars.
Khosrau I (reigned 531–79) known as Anushirvan or ‘the immortal soul’ was a great patron of philosophy and knowledge. He gave refuge to scholars from the Eastern Roman Empire when the bigoted Christian Emperor Justinian closed down the neo-Platonist schools in Athens in 529 AD. Earlier, in 415 AD, Christian goons led by ‘Saint’ Cyril burnt down the great library in Alexandria and murdered the neo-Platonic scholar Hypatia who taught there, because another ‘saint’ Paul had decreed that women must keep their silence.
Khosrau was greatly interested in Indian philosophy, science, mathematics, and medicine. He sent multiple embassies and gifts to the Indian court and requested them to send back philosophers to teach in his court in return. Khosrau made many translations of texts from Greek, Sanskrit, and Syriac into Middle Persian. He was lauded as “Plato’s Philosopher King” by the Greek refugees that he allowed into his empire because of his great interest in Platonic philosophy.
A synthesis of Greek, Persian, Indian, and Armenian learning traditions took place within the Sassanian Empire. One outcome of this synthesis created what is known as bimari-stan (‘home for the ailing’), the first hospital that introduced a concept of segregating wards according to pathology. Greek pharmacology fused with Iranian and Indian traditions resulted in significant advances in medicine.
Regrettably this pre-Islamic era of learning came to an abrupt end following the Arab (Muslim) invasions and the defeat of Sassanid Persia The reality is that most of this ‘synthesis’ took place in the pre-Islamic period until Islamic invasions sank both Persia and India into a Dark Age lasting centuries.
IndiaFacts is grateful to the author Waseem Altaf and the publication Viewpointsonline.net for the article. No photograph of the author is published out of concern for the author’s safety. Here is his essay.
Science in the Islamic world
Rational thought in the Muslim world developed during the reign of liberal Muslim rulers of the Abbasid dynasty. However it was after the rise of scholars like Al-Ghazali that all scientific reasoning came to an end in the 13th century. As we remain enamored by our past achievements in the sciences, we forget that there is very little “original” we as Muslims can celebrate and be proud of.
It was during the reign of the early Abbasid caliphs, particularly Mamun-ur-Rashid (around 813 CE) that in his Dar-ul-Hikmah (the house of wisdom) in Baghdad, Muslim scholars would begin translating the classic Greek works, primarily toeing the Aristotelian tradition. In addition, they were heavily relying on Persian and Indian sources. They also penned huge commentaries on works by Greek philosophers. However, the Muslim translators were small in number and were primarily driven by curiosity. More than ninety nine percent Arabic translations of works of Greek philosophers were done by either Christian or Jewish scholars. It is interesting to note that Islamic astronomy, based on Ptolemy’s system was geocentric. Algebra was originally a Greek discipline and ‘Arabic’ numbers were actually Indian.
[N.S Rajaram: Indians invented algebra, calling it bija-ganita. Greeks considered some special cases in number theory like Diophantine Equations, also known to the Indians. The cumbersome letter-based notation (like the later Roman numerals) did not lend itself to problems in algebra. The major Greek contributions were the concept of proof (known also to Indians) and above all the axiomatic method at which they excelled. The Arabs themselves never denied their indebtedness to the Hindus in astronomy, medicine and mathematics. They called their numbers ‘Hindu numerals’. As noted in the Editor’s Introduction, much of this took place in pre-Islamic Iran, especially under Khusro I.]
Most of these works were available to the West during 12th century when the first renaissance was taking place. Although Western scholars did travel to Spain to study Arabic versions of classical Greek thought, they soon found out that better versions of original texts in Greek were also available in the libraries of the ancient Greek city of Byzantium….
Read the rest here.
Michael Copeland says
“Throughout the coastal areas surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, archaeologists have uncovered a layer of subsoil that was deposited over a period of three hundred years beginning in the middle of the seventh century AD.
This stratum, named the “Younger Fill” by the geologist Claudio Vita-Finzi, covers the ruins of all the major cities and settlements that were established along the Mediterranean littoral during classical antiquity. It stands as a coda to Graeco-Roman civilization. For three centuries after the year 650 the archaeology of the region is all but barren. Wastelands or severely diminished primitive settlements have replaced the formerly great cities of the Roman Empire and the Near East.
From “Who really killed the Pax Romana?””
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/who-really-killed-pax-romana.html
voegelinian says
Yes, that essay by Baron Bodissey, “Who Really Killed the Pax Romana?” is an excellent expatiation upon a recent book — Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy, by Emmet Scott.
What becomes vividly clear from Bodissey’s review is that the Muslim expansion and occupation of formerly mostly Christian lands to the West of Arabia resulted in drastic impoverishment and depletion of not only human (social/cultural) infrastructure, but also of the human cultural cultivation of agriculture and, by extension, of the physical ecology itself, literally blighting the lands they stole, only keeping a tenuous dhimmi culture functioning in order to feed their eternally voracious jihad machine.
And the concerted fervor of all that is now undergoing a global revival. And the ilk of Stardusty Psyche tell us not to worry, because the vast majority of Muslims just wanna have a sandwich, and if we think the problem is systemic and metastasizing out of control, they pull out the “bigot” card to try to name us and shame us (harking back to the grimly hilarious Hillary who as a kind of reverse Sir Edmund Hillary, wants us to ignore the Mountain Mohammedans are bringing us, “because it’s not there”…).
PRODOS says
I’ve also read — and highly recommend — Emmet Scott’s “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited: The History of a Controversy”.
Very heavy going and difficult to read in places, but definitely worth the effort.
Also by Emmet Scott: “The Impact of Islam”.
The myth of the so-called “Golden Age of Islam” is a massive con and one of the pillars of those who argue — and those who are sympathetic to — the notion that Islam can be “reformed”.
voegelinian says
Exactly. It is both a con and a sell — the ones constructing it trying to dupe the buyer of the Myth of the Golden Age; and, alas, all too many buying it.
I think the gullible dupes do this for psychological reasons — so many Westerners who are incipiently waking up to the problem of Islam still anxiously cling to some way to avoid the broad condemnation toward which the data leads them. Also, some of these Westerners glibly assume Muslims must be like all other peoples, to be accorded the benefit of the doubt. I mean, it can’t be that Muslims have been deadly fanatical for 1400 years — nobody’s that bad — therefore, it’s simply not true. Then they work from there. That is, in fact, the prevailing mechanism of PC MC; which is why I advocate we “reverse engineer” the whole problem. Since neither side — pro or anti Muslim — has apodictic proof of their sweeping assumption, we ought to err on the side of our societal safety; not err on the side of feeling good about ourselves because at least we are not “bigoted”.
gravenimage says
Excellent posts by Michael Copeland, Voegelinian, and PRODOS.
miriamrove says
This is an outstanding article. m
marc says
I love this discussion, especially when they claim to have had a major influence on mathematics, as I can pull out my party piece
“They didn’t even invent zero”:
http://www.livescience.com/27853-who-invented-zero.html
Why we allow it to be called them arabic numerals I don’t know, it originated from India which was arab free at the time.
miriamrove says
Thanks for the link. I just learnt some thing new. m
Ian H says
We call them Arabic numerals because they came to Europe via Arabia.
Phil says
We call the “Arabic” numerals – actually this is an abbreviation of “Indo-Arabic” because Fibonacci introduced the modus indorum (the Indian Method) in his book Liber Abaci in 1202 by way of Arabic copies of Indian works. The zero and with it positional decimal notation was entirely an Indian invention.
The only thing I disagree with in the article is the dismissive tone regarding Byzantium – true, there were bigoted anti-intellectual Christian mobs under Justinian, but the same is true of India after the Mauryas.
Incidentally, algebra was well known in the classical world – the “Father of Algebra” was Diophantus of Alexandria who lived in the 3rd century – well before Mohammed. Incidentally he wasn’t Greek – he was of Babylonian extraction, and his methods were largely a reformulation of older Babylonian techniques used both by Classical Hellenistic and Indian Graeco-Buddhist civilization.
No Fear says
I have two books on the history of mathematics. One called “History of Mathematics” by Boyer and Merzbach and “God created the integers” edited by Hawking.
Judging by those two books alone, Islam plays a minor role in the history of mathematics.
But of course muslims will claim that Mohammed and the Quran invented all aspects of maths and
without them we would still be using pebbles to count.
Jay L. Stern says
Off topic, but I gotta tell you this one: In class, I would hold up my hands, fingers spread and ask the students how many fingers I had. Of course they would call out “ten.” And I would say, “No, I have eleven.” They would look from one hand to the other with a puzzled look on their face. I then said, “Do you mind if I count backwards?” They would say, “Go ahead.” So I touched the fingers of one hand and said, “10, 9, 8, 7, 6. . .” and then I held up the other hand and continued “. . . plus 5 is eleven.” The kids invariably went dead silent and each looked like they were in pain. Then some would say something like, “Wait. Something is wrong. How did you do that, again?” And believe it or not, they would try it and NOT get eleven. Same thing with islamic math, perhaps!
Don McKellar says
Superb piece.
PBS has recently re-run the ludicrous BBC propaganda Islam and Science series. Almost all complete fabrication and inaccurate in the myth it weaves. But, of course, the moslems and their leftist stooge tools who created this for the willfully ignorant Ministry of Propaganda, are counting on nobody doing any basic research after watching an episode to fact check for themselves. No doubt we’ll see many, many more such lies with that Saudi Prince donating 35 billion to push Islam on the modern, advanced world.
Angemon says
“Islamic science” makes as much sense as “communist capitalism”…
Qur'an is Haram says
This is what you get in Islamic “science”. Drink camel piss. How many have died following this quackery instead of getting real treatment?
“After spending more than five years in lab research, this Saudi scientist and faculty member from King Abdul Aziz University (KAAU) and President of the Tissues Culture Unit at King Fahd Center for Medical Research, has discovered that nano-particles in the urine of camels can attack cancer cells with success. Her work began with experiments involving camel urine, cancer cells found in patients’ lungs and culminated in injecting mice with leukemic cancel cells and camel urine to test the results.
Speaking to the Saudi Gazette, Dr. Khorshid claimed that she was inspired by Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) medical advice and that camel urine consists of natural substances that work to eradicate malignant cells and maintain the number of healthy cells in a cancer patient. “This treatment is not an invention, but rather, taken from our Prophet’s legacy,” she remarked. A Hadith narrated by Al-Bukhari (2855) and Muslim (1671) claims that some people came to Madina and fell ill with bloated abdomens. The Prophet (pbuh) told them to combine the milk and urine of a camel and drink that, after which they recovered. A swollen abdomen may indicate edema, liver disease or cancer. Dr. Khorshid added that she is not a medical doctor but a scientist and her job involves the preparation and testing of a drug in the lab and supervising the manufacture, testing and application of the drug. “We have researched and studied (camel urine) for seven years, during which we have tested the effectiveness of camel urine in fighting cancer to prerequisites set by the International Cancer Institute,” she explained. According to her published study on the subject, the clinical trial her team conducted on patients indicated that the medicine (capsules and syrup) did not entail any harmful side effects. In the case of a volunteer patient with lung cancer, the medicine helped in halving the size of the tumor after only one month. The patient, and others like him, are still undergoing treatment. Heeding the advice found in the Hadith, Dr. Khorshid is combining specific amounts of camel milk and urine to develop her medicine and focuses on particular types of cancer, including lung cancer, blood cancer, stomach cancer, colon cancer, brain tumors and breast cancer.
She added that she advises all of her volunteer patients to use fresh camel milk and urine with the two components given individually for a period of time and then combined together later. Other illnesses, including vitiligo (depigmentation in certain areas of the skin), eczema and psoriasis (an autoimmune disease which affects the skin and joints). However, Dr. Khorshid adds that she will only dispense this medicine to patients on a non-voluntary basis when pharmaceutical companies obtain a license to do so. Currently, the medication is still undergoing tests.”
TheDoctor says
As a physician and scientist, I’d love to know if this “research” has been peer-reviewed and I would be very curious to learn the qualifications of the reviewers.
Jay L. Stern says
For what it’s worth, people are spending about $35 per 16 oz. container of frozen camel milk. One mother said it cured her teen-ager of autism. The milk is produced in the US. The camel urine — I don’t know about that!
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Angemon,
At last we agree!
“Islamic science” is as oxymoronic as “Christian science” or “creation science”.
voegelinian says
Not so fast, Leftist-Atheist-with-the-Difficult-To-Type-Nickname. What StardustyPsyche’s glib formula obscures is the monumental historical fact that Christianity was — pace a few hiccups & bumps in the road which ought not to distract us like babies looking at pretty colors in the air — actually conducive to the pioneering and progress of science and technology; whereas Islam was and remains stultifying to the kind of psychological and cultural disposition propitious for such growth.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Vogie,
Sure, if you ignore that little Galileo incident (guess that is one of your “hiccups”), and the modern day problem of fundamentalist Christians continually pushing their junk “science” of creationism and the terrible resistance to the fact of Evolution Darwin faced and we continue to face.
Fortunately, they lose in court every time but the statistics on the numbers of Americans who believe Judeo-Christian nonsense “science” are rather troubling.
The impediment to science understanding caused by Judeo-Christian doctrine is not a hiccup, it is a major impediment to public science education endemic to the very core of the Bible.
I’ll help you out with the moniker since you mentioned it. you might remember the CSNY song Woodstock “We are stardust…” Carl Sagan said as much and it has been said many times, we are literally stardust, including in my view, the psyche.
Western Canadian says
““Islamic science” is as oxymoronic as “Christian science” or “creation science””
Ah yes, another display of ignorance and bigotry on the part of the Dusted Psychotic. An extreme generalization, of the type he so quickly ascribes to others, with his usual puffery and BS. as he tries to claim the moral high ground….. His lack of understand of morality, combined with his habitual indicators of being high (stoned or otherwise under the influence of some drug, most likely his own overblown opinion of himself), combine to give yet another demonstration of his ‘okay for me, not for you’ mentality…… or his pathetic weak imitation of mental prowess…..
Even for a troll, he is uncommonly pathetic.
mortimer says
Far from leading Europe’s exit from the Dark Ages, Islam CAUSED the Dark Ages by SHUTTING DOWN the back-and-forth flow of IDEAS and COMMERCE across the Mediterranean!
Islam’s paranoid obsession with capturing, plundering and destroying other civilizations caused ISLAMIC PIRATES to take to sea from Egypt to Gibraltar and every place in between.
An Arab writer clucked that no European dared put a rowboat in the water without fear of Muslim pirates.
Once Islamic clergy and the caliphs became aware of HERETICAL, NON-ISLAMIC ideas in the texts of the Greek philosophers and the writings of leading Muslim thinkers inspired by them, they shut down the study of foreign languages and philosophy. Arabic and the memorization of the ABSURD Koran became the only course of study thereafter. The so-called Golden Age of Islam was shut down soon after it began.
But in Europe, the pursuit of Greek philosophy led to a gradual demand for critical, independent thought which ended in the Enlightenment.
Islam has not had and cannot experience an enlightenment, because it cannot tolerate critical, independent thought.
Europeans who wanted to read the original Greek manuscripts had to go to Constantinople over the lengthier land routes because the Mediterranean was filled with ruthless Muslim pirates.
Islam actually destroys learning, science, research and progress.
Jay L. Stern says
Agree completely. And historical reports back up your conclusion.
miriamrove says
Muslims live in lala land and their past which is dis,al to say the least. I know this very well as I was born and raised a muslim. All day long we were thought this B….s. m
RG says
Bless you, m! What a breath of fresh air you are!!!!
Walter Sieruk says
Muhammad taught that “stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw a devils” This was the same was the same man who claimed to have received “Divine Knowledge.” [Source- THE ISLAMIC INVASION by Robert Morey p 205 ]
No Fear says
Quran 67:5…..one of the more amusing Quran verses. It is obviously complete rubbish.
livingengine says
“Expos and Islamists” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7c3LMNDIS4
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
I am bitter you posted this link. As the video unfolded, the bitterness sank in not because this is an especially dangerous piece of revisionist history, which is is, but because we paid for the exhibition. Yeah, California ostensibly paid for it, but that state is insolvent, and relies on wealth transfers from the feds to keep their globo-socialist fantasy afloat. Argentina, Greece, Illinois… California.
Btw, did you know that the name California is rooted in the noun caliphate? Serves ’em right.
Ian H says
I didn’t know that, and it seems to be untrue.
J.D. says
The Spanish fought the Muslim invaders for hundreds of years, throwing them out only just before the voyages of Columbus. The Spanish had thousands of warrior-knights who were never “demobilized”, but instead were attracted to the new world, the Conquistadores. They founded new settlements often with the name “matamoros”. Or Matar Moros – Kill the Moors. or Death to the Moors. The conquistadores were a tough lot, but made that way by the bloody and merciless enemy they fought. Matamoros is a very common place name across Latin America.
livingengine says
“In the novel, Calafia is a pagan who is convinced to raise an army of women warriors and sail away from California with a large flock of trained griffins so that she can join a Muslim battle against Christians who are defending Constantinople. In the siege, the griffins harm enemy and friendly forces, so they are withdrawn. Calafia and her ally Radiaro fight in single combat against the Christian leaders, a king and his son the knight Esplandián. Calafia is bested and taken prisoner, and she converts to Christianity. She marries a cousin of Esplandián and returns with her army to California for further adventures” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calafia
Phil says
Both perspectives are probably true.
The balance of scholarly opinion is that the name California derives from the Spanish myth of the Island of California ruled by the Black Queen Calafia, populated by beautiful Amazons and overflowing with riches. It’s actually written in Las Sergas des Esplandian – a real Renaissance-era bodice ripper, full of gryphons and beautiful pagan women who convert to Christianity because…actually, having read Garci Rodriguez de Montalvo’s novel twice, I still can’t work out why Calafia converts, except she had the hots for Espalndian’s son.
BUT it is probable that de Montalvo actually deliberately derived the name “California” from the Arabic Khilafa, although she never openly stated so…after all Las Sergas des Esplandian is a Reconquista novel about chivalry.And heaving bosoms. Lots of heaving bosoms.
As for the video – thanks for the warning, I wont see it.
livingengine says
Just so we are clear, the video is not an endorsement of an Islamic exhibition; it is an expose of the exhibit. APF bitterness is really apropos of nothing. I do not know why he attached it to my video.
gravenimage says
Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:
Btw, did you know that the name California is rooted in the noun caliphate? Serves ’em right.
…………………….
I presume you meant this sarcastically, APF—but this is not entirely wrong. Of course, California was named for the mythical island of California (California was originally believed to be an island by European explorers who sailed up the Sea of Cortez bordering Baja California).
Queen Califia raised an army of women warriors—so this was rather like naming the largest river in South America for the Amazons.
The story is not a myth in the true sense—it comes from a story from popular Spanish novel “Las sergas de Esplandián” (“The Adventures of Esplandián”), written around 1500.
But there *is* a slight link to Islam: Califia left California with her women warriors and “a large flock of trained griffins to join a Muslim battle against Christians who defend Constantinople. Calafia and her ally Radiaro fight in single combat against the Christian leaders, a king and his son the knight Esplandián. Calafia is bested and taken prisoner, and she converts to Christianity. She marries a cousin of Esplandián and returns with her army to California for further adventures.
The name of Calafia was likely formed from the Arabic word khalifa (religious state leader) which is known as caliph in English and califa in Spanish. Similarly, the name of Calafia’s monarchy, California, likely originated from the same root, fabricated by the author to remind the 16th-century Spanish reader of the Reconquista,”
Of course, in the end this is a tale of the victory of Infidels over Muslims—and not the supremacy of Islam itself.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Compare and contrast. Fair & balanced reporting that lets you decide.
IndiaFacts is grateful to the author Waseem Altaf and the publication Viewpointsonline.net for the article. No photograph of the author is published out of concern for the author’s safety.
This guy sounds like an Islamophobe, so right out of the gate anything he sez about Moslem science is suspect. There is power in positive thinking, as Norman Vincent Peale taught, so when you read his essay you should then read the text of Prez Barack Hussein’s famous apology speech on the campus of the U of Cairo in which he extolled the great potential of Moslem entrepreneurialism.
Omar BEDDALI says
Hmmm. We have to be careful on treating this issue.
The word “algebra” comes from the arabic “al jibr” whose sense is approximately ” the finding after the looking for.” There are other scientific words with arabic origin as the word “algorithm” in reference to al Khawarizmi a persian mathematician. I think we have enough matter and it is more sure to focuse on the the texts of islam corpus.
Champ says
Wow “omar” found a grain of sand on the beach …big whoop-tee-doo!
Angemon says
Omar BEDDALI posted:
“The word “algebra” comes from the arabic “al jibr” whose sense is approximately ” the finding after the looking for.” There are other scientific words with arabic origin as the word “algorithm” in reference to al Khawarizmi a persian mathematician.”
All that means is that the names by which they’re known are derivate from arabic words. The binomen of animals and plants is done in latin, but it doesn’t mean that the Romans invented, or discovered, all animals and plants.
Zimriel says
I’ve read some Khwarizmi – by way of Elias of Nisibin’s chronicle. Elias was published in 1910ish in Arabic and Syriac, and translated into French at about the same time. Both are now available on Google Books.
Khwarizmi didn’t strike me as being particularly pious. His aim was to tell the truth as best he could figure it out. I’d say the same for Elias by the way, for all that Elias was a churchman.
If Islam produced and rewarded people like Khwarizmi more often and more consistently, sites like this wouldn’t need to exist.
Phil says
As you know, there is a strand of legitimate academic opinion that holds that Al-Khwarizmi was either a Zoroastrian or had just converted to Islam. His writings, and like you I’ve read some translations, are not those of a devout Muslim – he strikes me as a freethinker. Interestingly, the great historian al-Tabari refers to Al-Khwarezmi as “al-Majusi” which implies he was a Zoroastrian (or maybe a converso?). Al-Tabari was a Qur’anic exegete so he would never have given credit to infidels if he could have avoided it – and there are no records of any contemporaneous Muslim scholar denouncing al-Tabari’s imposition of the “al-Majusi” epithet – so I think it’s pretty certain that the “Islamic” nature of al-Khwarezmi is a fallacy.
And to keep the record straight, he systematized methods to solve linear and quadratic equations – but he certainly didn’t invent algebra.
More Ham Ed says
Hey islam gave us those fancy high-dollar ultra x-ray body scanners that are in every airport now, indirectly that is, just a little thu. sarcasm.
Champ says
“islamic science”? …what an oxymoron! 😀
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Regrettably this pre-Islamic era of learning came to an abrupt end following the Arab (Muslim) invasion…
Ouch. Looks like Prince Alaweed may want to direct some of his chattels over at the Harvard prestige diploma puppy mill apply some lipstick and skin toner on this one.
And I *don’t* wanna see no wisecracks about how you can’t put lipstick on a pig. I’ve done it and it ain’t half bad. Kind of exciting, in fact.
Champ says
muslims invented TERRORISM. Period. And murder & mayhem is their chief contribution to the world. End of discussion.
Champ says
I repeat …
muslims invented TERRORISM >> muslims follow islam >> islam invented jihad
I mean ..Hello!!! LOL!!
This is so elementary and basic to islam that I’m stunned at how STUPID this clown can be. Focus ‘sp’, cause CONTEXT is key here …wow whatta dummie.
I stand by my statement and ‘sp’ has failed — as usual — to make a valid point. All he’s proven is what a nit-pick and dumbbell he *truly* is.
Champ says
DUMBBELL? …maybe a better description for ‘sp’ is that he’s DENSE: as DENSE as a brick.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Champ,
Indeed I am dense, in fact I have so much substance packed inside my little cranium it is a wonder I can lift my head off the pillow in the morning…must be I have strong neck muscles!
Western Canadian says
In light of WHAT it is you have packed in your little cranium…… well, that would explain the quality of your posts….. strictly flush-able.
Gene says
Islam invaded the great civilizations of Rome, Persia, India, etc. It feasted on them as any parasite would. And so long as there were infidels to plunder, parasitic Islam flourished. But it eventually made the host too sick to support a golden age any longer. The western civilizations and India had their movements against learning, but these were never endemic in the culture or the religion of those civilizations. Islam on the other hand is parasitic to its very core. It makes jihad on the unbeliever and plunders them. When there are lots riches to steel from the unbeliever, and lots of unbelievers to enslave, the parasite can put on the appearance of a golden age of enlightenment. But when most unbelievers abandon their civilization and adopt Islam, and the remainder become impoverished and uneducated, the Islam takes on its final and truest form; a third world hellhole.
Voytek Gagalka says
I am sure that one day when after long struggle the dark ages will pass, future scientists (archeologists) will discover among piles of rubble this one example of great islamic achievement and superior quality of Mohammedans in general and their outstanding input to cultural civilization of nations:
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/tsarnaev-middle-finger-super-169-800×450.jpg
zulu says
Fjordman: The Truth About “Islamic Science”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/11/fjordman-the-truth-about-islamic-science
Eddiei says
The library of Alexandria was totally destroyed upon the Arabic Islamic invation of Egypt, per order of Khalif Omar who was quoted by muslim historians saying: “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.” The army leader Amr ibn Al a’as carried the order. As every thing else, history has been falsfied to cater for “muslim sensitivy/ defence”.
Guy Macher says
But the sun stilll sets in a muddy pool, right?
qedlin says
That’s what big Mo reports that allah says, so it must be true, you know, like women are only 1/2 a man, and if you beat them it shows them honor, and mix your camel piss with camel milk, and women driving causes earthquakes. Good enough for the faithful, should be good enough for the kafirs also.
No Fear says
and Allah throws meteors at demons ……
Dave J says
Certainly Muslim leaders in the present day do not give the impression of having scientific curiosity or possessing great intellectual strengths. To the contrary – they seem uniformly illogical, hyper-emotional, hostile and deceptive. Their only interest appears to be in finger wagging pronouncements on the imminent death of all infidels and a backassed victim mentality.
abad says
A most excellent piece and I enjoyed reading it as it reiterates much of what I studied at UA while working on my degree in Near Eastern Studies.
The Persian influence is a given. Prior to Islam taking over ancient Persia the Persian Empire was the lap of luxury compared to the primitive, backwards Arabs in Arabia. The Persians were better educated, more civilized, could live peaceably among other religions like Judaism et al.
Then the Arab invaders pretty much destroyed everything. Sad really.
sidney penny says
Make sure you read the lilnk that Robert provides in the introduction.
ttp://pjmedia.com/blog/1001-pieces-of-islamist-propaganda-fabricated-exhibit-comes-to-d-c/?singlepage=true
J. Christian Adams’ article “Fact or Fiction?: 1001 Muslim Inventions Comes to Washington D.C.” sheds light on an important but little-noted weapon of the Islamic propaganda machine in the U.S.: the whitewashing of the ghastly Islamic present by creating a fictional glorious Islamic past.
qedlin says
An islamic myth about their contributions to science would be consistent with the degenerate belief system that it is, but you really should screen these articles tighter: Christians did not burn down the Alexandria library. Reference:
http://marccortez.com/2010/06/04/christians-did-not-burn-the-library-at-alexandria-and-other-things-agora-gets-wrong/
First was Julius Caesar’s fire, 48 BC, then Aurelian’s attack in the 3rd century, the degree against the pagan temples destroyed by Theopolis did contain about 10% of the library that remained, finally the muslim fires to destroy “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.”
An objective assessment of the veracity of islamic claims of significant contributions to science is of value, but perpetuating myths about Christians or others should not be part of it.
Baucent says
The best example I can think of regarding the state of “Islamic Science” occurred during the brief Muslim Brotherhood presidency of Morsi, in Egypt. The then Health Minister advocated the health benefits of drinking Camel Urine.
duh_swami says
There really is no such thing as ‘Islamic science’…Certainly talented people are born into Islam, but Islam is not responsible for their talent. Any scientific achievements they may have had are in spite of Islam, not because of it…
Champ says
Great comment, Duh_Swami!
Jay L. Stern says
My personal motto is “Never believe anything not independently verified.” This essay (and editor’s introduction) is a splendid verification to what my own studies have taught me. While I did not study Indian science, I did study treatises on Arabian science. I concluded that there was, indeed, a “Golden Age” of islamic science —- except that the scholars were largely Christian and Jewish philosophers while the islamics did little other than relax. My biggest question had been why did the Golden Age end? My answer can be found in a substantiated article appearing in Atlantic Monthly, January 1999. That article describes how copies of a REVISED koran were found during renovation of an ancient mosque. The revised manuscript was dated to about the 9th century and corresponded to the time that Jews and Christians were expelled from Arabic lands. Thus also died science and ended the Golden Age! It is telling that the koran states that the sun revolves around the earth, and this is still taught to ignorant people who have no other source of education but their imams. The point here being that if the koran is “the unalterable word of god,” then why didn’t the god tell mohammed the truth? Further by revising the koran, doesn’t that also put to the lie the myth of its “unalterability?” I have held that islam is a cult centered around one savage; it is not a religion and there is no basis for treating it as such. This article is worth saving, studying and understanding as evidence of the huge fraud perpetrated upon the world.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jay L Stern,
” I have held that islam is a cult centered around one savage; it is not a religion and there is no basis for treating it as such.”
..except for all the theistic claims, (im)moral teachings, rituals, prayers, bizarre “science”, and endless stories of angels and spirits and all the rest of the nonsense found in religions generally.
Google (the uber authority) says:
“A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe.”
By that definition at least, Islam is clearly a religion, a very dangerous religion, but then most theistic religions pose dangers of some sort, Islam being by far the most dangerous at this time.
I thought your post was excellent up to the end where you jumped off the rails.
Jay L. Stern says
Hold on buckeroo! There are several “tests” which address the question “What is a religion?” Islam fails at least three. If you are interested, go here: http://jayforusa.blogspot.com/2015/02/islam-fails-question-what-is-religion.html
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi Jay,
First, folks, please allow me to apologize in advance for the length of this post, but the issue of Islam not being a religion comes up from time to time and Jay posted a rather detailed set of assertions in that regard at the above link, I have copied below. Note: assertions regarding the theological content of Islam are not my personal beliefs, I am just repeating the mantras for the sake of this discussion.
What is a religion?” –
1.Belief in supernatural beings (especially gods): The supernatural beings of islam are called jinn. They are not the muslim god and are not prayed to. Islam fails this test.-
SP-There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger, we hear ad nauseam.
Islam passes this test.
2.Sacred vs. Profane objects, places, times: Koran is regarded as sacred as are idols in the Sufi sect, offshoot of islam. (So much for monotheism). Kaaba is sacred, but is in the same place and has same name as the pagan shrine dedicated to polytheistic gods. Islam “sort of” meets this test. –
SP-Making an object sacred is considered idolatry in Islam. Objects are not required.
This test is invalid.
3.Ritual acts focused on Sacred Objects, Places, Times: Call to prayer, visiting Mecca, etc. are ritual acts. Islam meets this test. –
Islam passes this test.
4.Moral code with supernatural origins: Moral code based on mohammed, a person, not the islamic god. This is characteristic of a “cut,” not a religion. Islam fails this test. –
SP- Qur’an means recitation. The Qur’an is not the word of the illiterate Muhammad, it is the literal word of god, according to Islamic theology. There are a great many (im)moral teachings by Allah in the Qur’an.
Islam passes this test.
5.Characteristically religious feelings: Agree that muslims will possess and/or exibit “characteristically religious feelings.” Sort of like the awe felt when visiting Elvis Presley’s home, Graceland, in Tennessee. (This probably is not a test of religion and should not be on the list.) –
This test is irrelevant.
6.Prayer and other forms of communication: Agree that muslims pray. Other forms of communication are definitely legalistic (i.e. – Sharia law) and social. Islam fails this test on purely secular grounds. –
SP-Incoherent argumentation. Muslims pray to Allah. In a monotheistic religion no other form of communication is necessarily expected.
Islam passes this test.
7.A world view and organization of ones life based on the world view: A muslim’s “world view” is supposedly based on the koran. Islam claims that the koran is the “unalterable” word of god. If that were so, then islam might be considered a religion. But it is mohammed’s word, not that of his allah, and it has been altered. In particular, the koranic claim to creation specifically states that the sun revolves around the earth. If an all-knowing deity had dictated the contents of the koran to mohammed, this error would not have occurred. The fact that it is there shows that the koran is just another book of fairy tales. And as to alteration, that occurred in the 8th or 9th century long after mohammed’s lifetime. Refer to Atlantic Monthly, January 1999 for more information. Islam fails this test miserably. –
SP-Grossly fallacious argumentation. Allah gave humanity his final word through the illiterate Muhammad. Allah’s word includes scientifically false statements, making the doctrine of Islam scientifically false, as are the doctrines of the other major theistic religions.
Islam passes this test.
8.A social group bound together by the above: Oh, boy! Islam sure meets THIS test! But a social club still is not a religion.-
Islam passes this test.
Sorry Jay, but your whole piece is very badly argued. I really suggest you study some more of the fundamentals of Islamic theology and work to make your arguments coherent and free of the many logical fallacies you have in fact employed.
Islam is most certainly a religion.
Western Canadian says
No need to apologize for the length of your post. For the low grade and pitiable content, that is another matter. By most of the ‘standards’ for determination of status as a religion, nazism would also qualify.
As a low church atheist, and as a generally ignorant blow-hard, you are not qualified to comment on theistic systems, or even your own atheistic system.
On all counts:
Dusted Psycho fails.
Mahendra Singh says
The so called “golden period” of Islam was based and sustained entirely by
the loot that was pouring in from the civilized and prosperous countries the
Arab invaders were ruling. Loot not only materials, but as slaves, women, and
fertile minds forced into Islam.
When the Arabs faded, the “creativity” also disappeared.
Stephen David says
The article is interesting and informative regarding the bogus claim that Islam ushered in a ‘Golden Age’ of Science and Mathematics. But the author’s rabid anti-Christian views grossly distort his objectivity.
Despite the author’s claim, Christians did NOT destroy the Great Library of Alexandria. For one thing, there was not a single “Burning of Alexandria” by Christians or anyone. The first major burning of the Library occurred during Caesar’s Civil War (48 BC), when Julius Caesar burnt his own ships and the nearby docks, and the fire inadvertently spread to the Great Library. (I seem to remember that this was depicted in the Burton/Taylor epic film ‘Cleopatra’, although I have not watched that film for some time)
The final destruction of the Great Library was caused by the pagan Emperor Aurelian (a worshiper of Sol Invictus and persecutor of Christians) while suppressing a revolt (~272-274 AD). Some ancient sources recorded that a lesser library at the Serapeum survived, although no contemporary scholars mention that library directly. This smaller library, if it still existed, would have been lost when the Christian Emperor Theodosius I destroyed pagan temples, including the Serapeum (391 AD). However it is not known for sure if any books even existed in the Serapeum at this time.
Alexandria itself was captured by Muslim armies in 272 AD, and Caliph Omar ordered the destruction of all books that did not conform to the Qur’an. (Later scholars are skeptical of this assertion, although it is in line with Islam’s general approach to the work of infidels)
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria for a good write-up on the Great Library of Alexandria, including details of its (multiple) destructions.
epistemology says
Science is something completely alien to muzzies. All they can think off is fucking and killing and presenting their asses to their moon idol. They can’t fool us, all they produce is crap both physical and mental
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi epistemology,
Thanks for the carefully reasoned analysis regarding Muslims generally and the limitations of their concerns and activities. It is good to know we have people like you dedicated to the investigation of how we gain knowledge and also to the reasoned characterization of 1.6 billion people.
But, before I simply label you a bigoted and ignorant ass, please allow me to ask a few questions, just so I can be sure of your true positions and not jump to any untoward conclusions based only on a few apparently bigoted and preposterous words.
When you say “Muzzies” do you mean all “Muzzies” or do you distinguish between them at all? I mean sure, everybody knows Muslims just want to f*ck and kill, but do you think there are any “Muzzies” at all who might want to , oh, I don’t know, maybe go to school, get an education, marry for love, have kids, raise a healthy family…you know regular stuff like that there, whadaya think mr. studier of knowledge?
I will be waiting with great anticipation because you have displayed an obvious degree of wisdom.
voegelinian says
Like I said, the Counter-Jihad has got to deal with its own incoherence regarding its asymptotic tendencies (in so doing, articulating a coherent platform of what it stands for), in order to refute a StardustyPsyche with his sly re-presentations of the asymptotic rhetoric of the ROP page and of Robert Spencer’s few pronouncements on the problem (or non-problem) of Muslims — unless, of course, the Counter-Jihad agrees more or less with StardustyPsyche’s TMOE meme (Tiny Minority of Extremists meme).
The TMOE meme, in brief, contains the following givens:
— The problem of Muslims following Islam is not systemic — i.e., it is not amorphous and broad-based, but is easily delimited: a) the vast majority of the time, we can tell the difference between the dangerous Muslims and the harmless Muslims; and b) we know beforehand that the dangerous Muslims only constitute a tiny fraction of Muslims in general.
– the above, in turn, seems to be based on the implicit assumption either that
a) mainstream Islam is benign and that this TMOE is “twisting” or “hijacking” or distorting benign Islam into a malignant misinterpretation;
or that
b) okay, sure, Islam is not benign, but hey, the vast majority of Muslims don’t follow any of the bad parts, because we all know they just wanna have a sandwich (Ben Affleck’s version of George Bush’s “most Muslims are decent moms and pops like the rest of us”).
The asymptotic Counter-Jihad tendency would not avow an unadorned TMOE meme, of course; in its incoherent tendency to try to have its cake (of a robust anti-Islam stance) and eat it too (avoid the “bigotry” of “painting all Muslims with a broad brush stroke) — in the context of its growing horrified awareness of the horrors of Islam and the mayhem and/or mendacity daily fomented by Muslims all over the world — it clumsily stumbles along with various permutations of a MOE (Minority of Extremists) without the untenable T (“Tiny”). One way it does this is by retaining the Moderate Muslim meme under other names — allowing it to simultaneously reject the ridiculous label Moderate Muslim while retaining its function under other labels, which I wrote about here:
The Mutation of the “Moderate Muslim”
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-mutation-of-moderate-muslim.html
To be supplemented by my more recent essay:
A shift from Islam to Muslims
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/10/a-shift-from-islam-to-muslims.html
voegelinian says
Stardusty Psyche says
July 12, 2015 at 5:09 pm
So, I consider myself in the truth range. Most of the characteristics of the TMOE meme as you define it are demonstrably false. As a bigoted generalization so is “Muzzies Just Want to F*ck and Kill”
False dichotomy, obfuscating a disturbing area in between, of a systemic problem. It’s in the interest of the ilk of SP to obscure the greys between the stark black and white polarities — to demonize the supposed extremism of the Islamophobes, contrasted with the liberal rationality of the Obama Kumbayists.
gravenimage says
“Stardusty Psyche” likes to pretend that those who follow Islam are no different from anyone else, but that fact is that Islam explicitly rejects philosophy and reason. Any Muslim who to any extent practices such things is to that extent an apostate.
And this shows in the figures—despite having a population encompassing over a fifth of the world’s population, there have only been *two* Muslims who have won the Nobel Prize in the sciences. And what do we know about them?
Mohammad Abdus Salam, who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979, is an Ahmadi—his native Pakistan denied him a decent burial, since he is deemed a heretic. His latter studies were with the “filthy Infidels” at Cambridge.
Ahmed Zewali won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1999. All of his graduate work was done in Dar-al-Harb—at the University of Pennsylvania and the University of California, Berkeley.
Speaking of my alma mater, UC Berkeley has *sixteen* Nobel Prizes won by current or former faculty in the sciences, and twenty-nine in all.
That means that a single American university has eight times the science Nobel Prizes of the entire Muslim world. (If you factor in alumni as well, the numbers are even higher—72 Nobel Prizes in all).
UC Berkeley has an undergraduate population of just around 30,000, compared to over a billion Muslims world-wide. You do the math—something many Muslims are incapable of doing, given the low rates of numerancy in Dar-al-Islam…
gravenimage says
Of course Muslims are human beings and share in the human condition—just as Stalinists and Nazis were human beings and shared in the human condition.
The idea that adherence to a barbaric creed makes no difference in what aspect of the human condition is most commonly expressed is simply absurd.
Also note more of “Stardusty Psyche’s” sickening moral equivalence—the idea that one is only a proper Christian if one engages in the most repellent apologia for evil. *Ugh*.
voegelinian says
Stardusty Psyche says
July 13, 2015 at 12:53 am
Hi Graven,
““Stardusty Psyche” likes to pretend that those who follow Islam are no different from anyone else”
Indeed, all Muslims are human beings. If you wish to accuse me of bigotry in such a sweeping generalization I can only plead guilty.
Straw man from SP. Gravenimage characterized SP’s position as that “those who follow Islam are no different from anyone else” — and SP’s response of snarky sophistry was: “Indeed, all Muslims are human beings.”
“no different from anyone else” is not the same thing as “not human beings” — but SP responded as though this is what gravenimage was arguing. SP does this shit a thousand different ways, routinely.
There are many ways that a group, due to their culture, can in fact be different from everyone else — some of those ways being quite deleterious and dangerous (not to mention fanatical, corrupt, pernicious, internally dysfunctional, etc.). And yet still, they remain human beings. So what was SP’s point? To obfuscate, pull rabbits out of his hat, and twirl plates on sticks in his cheap magic show.
voegelinian says
slight correction:
“no different from anyone else” is not the same thing as “not human beings”
Of course, the reader should lop off that “no” at the beginning.
Aton says
Please read this analysis of Islamic inventions, on Academia.edu
Yes, there was no Islamic Golden Age.
https://www.academia.edu/8749355/Islamic_Inventions_were_Roman_Greek_and_Persian
Aton
George S. says
Please have a look at the TROP page >
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm#science
it is quite enlightening, Here is an important observation from that page:
“Note that the country of Spain alone translates more learning material and literature into Spanish each year than the entire Arab world has translated into Arabic since the 9th century. As the Saudi Grand Mufti bluntly put it in 2010, “The Quran with its stories and knowledge are sufficient for us… we don’t need the Torah, or Gospels, or any other book”.
schwebchen says
Sorry, my English is not good. And I have not read the whole essay. But what the writer says about the library of Alexandria and Hypatia are myths. The real knowledge about the end of the library and the murdered woman is very small. I hope that the other statements of the essay are better. I’ll now read it. I like this blog and I think it’s not good to claim unproven things. Best wishes for the future. schwebchen from Germany
qedlin says
Your English is fine, better than my German. You are correct about the myths, my earlier post to that effect is below. After reading more deeply about N.S. Rajaram, he is a Hindu ideologue who is perfectly willing to spread untruths about other religions to make his point. He is partlicularly perverse about spreading lies about Christianity.
qedlin says
July 10, 2015 at 1:36 am
An islamic myth about their contributions to science would be consistent with the degenerate belief system that it is, but you really should screen these articles tighter: Christians did not burn down the Alexandria library. Reference:
http://marccortez.com/2010/06/04/christians-did-not-burn-the-library-at-alexandria-and-other-things-agora-gets-wrong/
First was Julius Caesar’s fire, 48 BC, then Aurelian’s attack in the 3rd century, the degree against the pagan temples destroyed by Theopolis did contain about 10% of the library that remained, finally the muslim fires to destroy “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.”
An objective assessment of the veracity of islamic claims of significant contributions to science is of value, but perpetuating myths about Christians or others should not be part of it.
Regards
tamimisledus says
muslims steal knowledge in the same way that they steal wealth, whether by conquest or subterfuge. Then they always take credit for the successes of others for themselves, and blame everybody else for their own failures.
marc says
muslim discovers cure for cancer in healthy patients
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/10/us/michigan-cancer-doctor-sentenced/index.html
gravenimage says
The Myth of Islamic Science
………………………………..
To the extent that there was a “golden age” of Islamic learning at all, it was the death throes of the societies Islam conquered—the Persians, the Hindus, the Byzantines, the Romans.
Want a new Islamic golden age? Allow Islam to conquer the free West, and any lingering achievements of Infidels before they flee, convert to Islam, are murdered, or ground down by dhimmitude will be claimed as that new “golden age”…
sidney penny says
“OTTOMANS WERE THE FIRST TO REACH THE MOON,” SAYS TURKISH PRESIDENT
http://sheikyermami.com/2015/07/ottomans-were-the-first-to-reach-the-moon-says-turkish-president/#comment-100668
“There is nothing Muslims didn’t discover or invent: they invented the wheel, the electric lightbulb, the motorcar and the space shuttle; they discovered America, Australia, and Muhammad never killed anyone; and Mohammedanism spread peacefully around the world, and BS walks and Erdogan talks. And the world laughs..”
“Bear in mind that this is the PM of Turkey. “.
Whale says
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Barbary Pirates were Muslims
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The Underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The slave traders in Africa were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali night club Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks Bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The First World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay, Mumbai, India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The Nairobi, Kenya Shopping Mall Killers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
The Sydney, Australia Lindt Cafe Kidnapper was a Muslim
The Peshawar, Pakistani School Children Killers were Muslims
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
********** SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
They’re not happy in Nigeria
They’re not happy in Kenya
They’re not happy in Sudan
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
******** So, where are they happy? **********
They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in Belgium
They’re happy in Denmark
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Holland
They’re happy in India
They’re happy in Israel
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Norway
They’re happy in Spain
They’re happy in Sweden
They’re happy in the USA & Canada
They’re very happy in England (UK) (Loads of Welfare Benefits)
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!
And who do they blame?
Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves…
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!
And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries from whence they came, where they were unhappy and left – to come full circle and want to leave again. But where will they go when they finally change every place they’re in to what they ran away from in the first place!!!!
Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Shabbab Somalia: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!
Think of it and try to understand what the world is up against.