The ongoing indifference on the part of authorities to the phenomenon of conversion to Islam and subsequent “radicalization” is absolutely inexplicable.
Salvi said: ‘The British authorities know where I am and have no problem with it.” Of course. The British authorities are not concerned about jihad hate preachers. They’re only concerned with silencing domestic foes of jihad terror and preventing foreign ones from entering the country.
“Hate preacher accused of radicalising Frenchman who ‘beheaded his boss before placing his head on a spike’ lives in BRITAIN, it is revealed,” by Chris Pleasance, MailOnline, July 3, 2015:
The French ISIS fanatic accused of beheading his boss before placing his head on a spike was radicalised by a man living in Britain, it has emerged.
Frederic Jean Salvi, who is also known as ‘Ali’ and is believed to be linked to terror attacks in Paris and Indonesia, is currently working and living in Leicester, it has been reported.
Last week Salvi was accused of helping to radicalise Yassin Salhi, 35, who allegedly murdered his boss Herve Cornara before attempting to drive his van into a gas factory in Lyon.
According to the Daily Mirror, Salvi was not born a Muslim, but converted inside jail while serving time for drug trafficking in the early 2000s.
After his release in 2004 he began attending a mosque in Pontarlier, France, which was where Salhi also went to pray.
Salvi was kicked out of the mosque shortly afterwards for allegedly attempting to radicalise a group of eight men, one of whom was attacker Salhi.
He then disappeared, before emerging in Indonesia in 2010 where he was wanted in connection with a car full of explosives found in the capital Jakarta. The bomb failed to detonate, and Salvi again vanished.
French security officials also suspected him of bombing the Indonesian Embassy in Paris in 2012, but he was never arrested.
Speaking outside his semi-detached home in Leicester yesterday, where he is believed to live with his wife and five children, Salvi said: ‘The British authorities know where I am and have no problem with it….
Oh, I am quite sure that is true.
Stardusty Psyche says
“The ongoing indifference on the part of authorities to the phenomenon of conversion to Islam and subsequent “radicalization” is absolutely inexplicable.”
Ignorance of the actual content of Islamic texts seems to be an unlikely explanation for the ongoing “nothing to do with Islam” mantra, at least among the highly educated and advised top leaders.
Some alternative suggestions:
1. Recruitment. If even the Great Satan admits IS is the true Islam they will feature it in their “In the words of the enemy” section of Dabiq and turn it into a tremendous recruitment tool among the true believers.
2. Military alliances. We have the whole Arab league supporting the fight against IS to varying degrees. It is diplomatically difficult to sit down with your military allies and call their religion evil at the same time.
3. Financial dependance. The oil states have large financial ownership in the UK and the West generally so they are pandered to.
4. Liberal voting strength. This is the sellout argument, that liberals are letting Muslims in to gain votes and therefore stay in power. I’m not sure how effective this is with Imams telling the faithful not to vote at all.
5. Obama is a closet Muslim. This doesn’t really hold up considering his military actions against IS, but his childhood school registration and his very name keep the rumor afloat. This doesn’t work at all with Cameron or the Aussies so it seems to be a rather implausible assertion generally.
6. Corporate greed. Muslims make a cheap labor pool and drive down wages, so by this theory politicians give the fatcats the cheap labor they want.
7. Protection against “Islamophobic” attacks. This theory says politicians want to protect innocent Muslim citizens against crazy violent bigots by saying IS is not really Islamic.
In my view the most likely reasons are number 1 and number 2 above, but everybody seems to have their favorite theory…
Angemon says
Stardusty Psyche posted:
“1. Recruitment. If even the Great Satan admits IS is the true Islam they will feature it in their “In the words of the enemy” section of Dabiq and turn it into a tremendous recruitment tool among the true believers.”
Right, because devout muslims make their decisions regarding what is, or not, true islam based on what non-muslims say… How are the claims that ISIS is not true islam working out so far? Oh, yeah, they’re not.
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi angemon,
It isn’t a matter of all or nothing, rather, contributing factors.
Here is the opening paragraph from the latest Dabiq
IN THE WORDS OFTHE ENEMY
One of the most despicable
positions a jihād claimant can find
himself in is that the crusaders and
Arab tawāghīt begin to consider
him a possible alternative to the
Khilāfah or a partial “solution” to
preventing its expansion.
http://media.clarionproject.org/files/islamic-state/isis-isil-islamic-state-magazine-issue%2B9-they-plot-and-allah-plots-sex-slavery.pdf
The magazine, as usual, devotes a great deal of space to what Obama, the Western leaders, and the Arab kings are all saying and doing.
Using words of our government officials against ourselves is a significant part of their recruitment strategy for enticing would be jihadis to make hijra to IS. From their propaganda point of view it is like saying “see, even they say IS is powerful and great and winning”.
Angemon says
Stardusty Psyche posted:
“It isn’t a matter of all or nothing”
Since I did not said it was, I guess you’re confusing me with another user, again.
Devout muslims don’t decide what is, or not, true islam based on what non-muslims say. They make their decisions based on what islamic texts say. Lying about the islamic state’s islamness won’t do any good – devout muslims won’t believe in Obama’s words (although, to be fair, they’re not the only ones – “if you like your plan you can keep it”, etc), whatever fringe group of genuine muslim reformers that might be out there won’t have any incentive to put their necks out and call for a reform of islam who does away with literalism, the general public only gets more confused because they keep seeing muslim terrorists quoting from islamic sources to justify their actions while their leader insists that the reasons muslim terrorists give to justify their actions are wrong without ever offering a cogent alternative (like when Obama called the murder of Jews in a kosher market a “random shooting”), etc.
voegelinian says
Yes, Stardusty, when Muslims oppose other Muslims, that makes one of the two groups automatically our moderate reformist allies.
[need I sarc/off…?]
Stardusty Psyche says
Hi voegelinian
“Yes, Stardusty, when Muslims oppose other Muslims, that makes one of the two groups automatically our moderate reformist allies.”
Hmmm…not sure where that came from
On another thread I was saying that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend. That was in support of not arming the Kurds with all the weapons they want.
Annak says
Devout Muslims also make their decisions based on either OUR strength or weakness. Robert Spencer said somewhere that Muslims , after being defeated by the British respected them and wanted to emulate them, so wore their suits and became Westernised as we saw all throughout the Middle East of the 50’s and 60’s.
As we weakened, they strengthened.
An Israeli tour guide said : once after a tour , a nicely-dressed and groomed Arab took him aside and told him the Jews should not be so kind to the Palestinians or any Muslims because they do not apprecaite it but view it as weakness and this only empowers them.
A Palestinian remarked after the British left :
“Oh no, Now we will descend into medieval barbarism.”
Muslims respect strength. Being ” disciplined” ( ouch the hated word for leftists !) to civility as they were under the British . They need a strong leader. Better the British ( behave yourselves) than some Muslim tyrant ?
The left ruined this also back then. Demanded the end of colonial rule.
This after WW2 !
( they had not even learned their lesson that they are always wrong about everything and it gets proved so, after they persecuted Churchill as a war-monger for years and yet eventually had to agree . THEY have blood on their hands. Had Churchill been able to crush Hitler early on, millions of lives would have been saved. He also said they should have crushed the Bolshevics early on too)
it was the worst event ever for the world when colonialism ended. We saw it too in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. Once the bread basket of the world descended into as someone remarked ” the basket-case of the world” the lies told about Ian Smith were also staggering.
And all this is not based on half-baked pseudo-intellectual” Utopian” opinions which the left base everything on but on hard facts and evidence.
Ian_A_S says
Seems a pretty good summary to me. I would add under your point 7 that the UK security services probably assess that with 2.4 million Muslims now living in Britain, they are over the tipping point for a domestic fightback against Islam. That is, they probably assess that they have lost the war against Islam, and hope that appeasement will tend to prevent a mass outbreak of Islamic terrorist insurgency within the UK itself. In other words, the UK has given up. Western Europe is already falling, it is already happening, the lights are going out in the Western hemisphere.
particolor says
2.4 Million ?? DUCK !! 🙁
bewick says
Yep 2.4 million is a massive underestimate. 1 in 25. Just looking around, in my generally unenriched part of the country, it is far more than that. Maybe I’ll look up Mr Salvi when I vist the Midlands next month. Long time since I was in Leicester.
particolor says
Wont be long until You visit Heaven by the look of those Ridiculous figures ? 🙁
particolor says
If they DARE Import that many here to Australia I will Swim to Tahiti !:-(
PJG says
Particolor: they will. Don’t swim. Stay here for the Reclaim rally.
Ian_A_S says
Also, I get what you are saying in your point 1, even if others don’t. This is a war played out on multiple fronts (physical space, cyberspace, infiltration and subversion, the battle of ideas, and linguistics (what a master-stroke the term ‘islamophobia’ has been – a word-bomb of unparalleled success). Propaganda and psy-ops is part of this war. Reporting Western leaders’ softness and brow-beaten stance on Islam is a terrific morale-booster for the jihadists and their silent supporters. These people may be fanatics, but their strategists know that they still need to hear they are winning. That’s just psy-ops 101.
On your point 5, you are right. I know that the American Right has absolutely convinced itself that Obama is a Moslem. But over here in Australia it sounds like yet another bizarre mom-and-pop conspiracy theory. Nobody here gives it any credence except as another exhibit in the weird and wonderful procession of American pop-culture.
st. patrick says
Happy 4th of July American JW’ers!
Champ says
Hi, St. Patrick!! Thank you, my friend! 🙂
am i crazy says
Why wont our media report this ?
People like John Stewart just think we are all crazy.
What does he know that we dont ?
Jay Boo says
Boycott everything from Islamic Indonesia and the media and Obama will both take notice.
It is our own fault if we continue to buy unnecessary items from Muslim countries that Obama wants to fast track.
Fancy high dollar sporting goods stores like Cabela are full of Islamic made clothing.
Check the label.
particolor says
Ill check it later ! I’m still in DEEP SHOCK from seeing Halal Extortion label on My Vegemite !! 🙁
PJG says
Get over your shock, Particolor, and join the Q Society.
Saleem Smith says
We ex-Muslims acknowledge that Islam is an exceptionally dangerous and harmful fraud. The UK and other Western governments are going to learn the hard way that Islam is not “the religion of peace”, but a brutal death cult on steroids.
>>>>>
Islamic Apostasy
Islam’s canonical texts record that the prophet of Islam instructed his followers to kill those Muslims attempting to leave the fold of Islam.
Therefore each and every one of Muhammad’s followers are required to murder any friend or family member that attempts to leave the religion of Islam.
Some Islamic apologists claim that Islam does not call for the death of Muslim apostates, while other Muslims acknowledge that the Islamic scriptures do indeed call for the death of ex-Muslims.
As always, for the answer to whether or not Islamic theology prescribes death to the apostates of Islam we must turn to Islam’s foundational texts, the Qur’an, the Hadith and Sira.
Regardless of whether or not Islam prescribes death for Muslim apostates, it is no doubt a very dangerous proposition to leave the religion. The sad fact is that Islamic theology and law both prescribe death to Muslim apostates.
The sayings and doings of Muhammad, considered to be authentic by the majority of Muslims, are found in the Bukhari hadith collections among others.
Hadith: Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 84, No. 57:
Narrated Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, “If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Apostle forbade it, saying, ‘Do not punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire)’. I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah’s Apostle, ‘Whoever changes his Islamic religion, then kill him.’”
Muhammad personally ordered the death of hundreds of innocent people. But then again, the word innocent means something entirely different in ‘Islam Speak’. And keep in mind that Muslims are taught to believe that Muhammad is the perfect man who is to be emulated in every instance…
>>>>>
“Mohammed’s sword and the Koran are the deadliest enemies of civilization, truth and freedom ever encountered by humanity.”
– British Islam scholar, William Muir
“I have studied the Koran intensively. My studies convinced me that there have been few religions in the world which were as deadly for humanity as the religion of Mohammed.”
– French writer, politician and historian, Alexis de Tocqueville
“Since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, its adherents have been to all other nations as wolves and tigers, tearing and rending everything that fell into their merciless paws, grinding it up with their iron teeth.”
– British writer Hilaire Belloc:
“The Koran teaches fear, hate, contempt for others, murder as a legitimate means of spreading and preserving this satanic religion; it speaks badly of women, divides people by class, demands blood and more blood.”
– French philosopher and writer Voltaire
particolor says
The Koran teaches Crap
-Australian Philosopher Particolor
Jay Boo says
Clip the wings of the circling Ramadan buzzard in flight.
It floats on the hot desert air of Islam while it scavengers on feigned humility with prideful delight.
particolor says
And Poops from Ahigh on the Infidel bellow !
Cecilia Ellis says
Saleem Smith posted: “Mohammed’s sword and the Koran are the deadliest enemies of civilization, truth and freedom ever encountered by humanity.”
– Great quotes, Saleem! I thought of one more you could add to your list:
“Now you have conceived and shall bear a son; you shall call him Ishmael, for the Lord has
given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, with his hand against everyone,
and everyone’s hand against him; and he shall live at odds with all his kin.”
– God (Gen. 11-12)
Cecilia Ellis says
Should read: (Gen. 16:11-12)
No Fear says
Ban the Quran, burn the Quran.
The Quran is functionally identical to Mein Kampf.
Mein Kampf was not big on “diversity” and neither is the Quran.
tilda says
It appeals to the worst in men and to the worst of men: in essence, Islam attempts to justify criminality.
Johnd says
All interesting reasons but I dont believe any of them. Although the Western powers did try over and over to appease Hitler and look where that led them! No, I think it is a mind parasite cum virus implanted by the Wests cushy articial paradise and the liberals and leftists need the myth of Islamophobia so they can keep the illusion of their little ivory towers intact.
Tommo says
The UK government have launched yet another indepth investigation into Muslim radicalisation and alienation felt by their young which they say leads them into making decisions to fight for IS. This will be a talking platform for Muslims to air their many grieiviances to a high profile panel of the dhimmi elite and will result in findings already discovered by other discredited investigations, that Britain is a racist country whose white majority are Islamophobic. This farce will be followed up by a tightening of free speech legislation and greater powers for the police to arrest those who criticise Islam and costs us £millions in the process.
particolor says
You’ve got that down pat ! :-<
PJG says
You are right, Tommo. As Muslims say, if you resist, it will be worse for you. The most horrible thing about this is that the British government are the ones making it worse.
epistemology says
This is a very hot topic. European politicians turn a blind eye on European converts to Islam, although they’re either ticking bombs or ticking bomb factories
zulu says
Living here on £50,000 benefits, the hate preacher who inspired Tunisian beach killer: Cleric lives in five-bedroom home with wife and five children after thwarting deportation attempts for 15 years
– Hani al-Sibai is ‘key influencer’ of the Islamic fanatics behind Tunisia attack
– The preacher once described 7/7 terror attacks in 2005 as a ‘great victory’
– Lives with his wife and five children in a £1 million house in West London
– Successive governments have failed to remove him despite worrying links
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3150348/Living-50-000-benefits-hate-preacher-inspired-beach-killer-Cleric-lives-five-bedroom-home-wife-five-children-thwarting-deportation-attempts-15-years.html#ixzz3f3zfQswS
Ian_A_S says
Zulu, good link. I note the last line of the article:
“The Home Office said: ‘We do not routinely comment on individual cases.'”
Apart from acknowledging that the massacre by islamists in Tunisia was quite routine nowadays, I guess their wording is bureaucratese for “we have no plans to do anything about it”.
Jamesglory says
What a surprise.
He is pretty much allowed to do what he wants, when he wants.
Subverting & spreading his wicked Islamic evil doctrines from place to place in the UK.
The UK government is letting this happen, with him and others cut from the same dangerous cloth.
Those who oppose this despicable death cult are branded racist, or hate crimers themselves!
Is it because Islam is a natural enemy of Christianity, that the Government (being haters of God), allow this pernicious cancer to spread? Maybe, I don’t know for sure.
But what I do know is, the slow Islamic take over of large sections of the UK towns & cities is well advanced.
And what can we do or say? Virtually nothing, without fear of arrest or labeling as a racist!
It is insane!
Our own Government are betraying us when they let these death dealing firebrands stay in this once proud country of ours.
I pity the police when they have to side against righteous folks, in favour of these creatures of darkness.
I pity teachers & good hard working folks from all walks of life here in the UK, who have to tread on egg shells whenever they have to deal with such base villains.
My heart is breaking daily.
I feel almost powerless & I am sure I am not the only one.
Something has to change.
But. What can we do?
Love to all
James.
Ian_A_S says
You put it well, and I commiserate with you, James.
I think the thing to do in the public sphere is:
1. Be confident in your facts and key phrases.
2. Have ready answers to the usual red-herring pro-Islam arguments.
3. Speak calmly and reasonably (as an average middle-of-the-road voter would).
4. Contact your MP every time there is a new incident that the government should respond to.
5. Stick to your guns in arguments with family and friends – polite and friendly at all times, but quite firm.
As ordinary people, speaking in our own circle with calm concern is something small but powerful that we can do. When everyone you know hears reasonable messages from two or three people they know, they will be influenced. What do you think?