He just wanted to get some ricin, you know, to have it around. Don’t you have some in the cookie jar? He just “wanted to know what the fuss was about.” Isn’t that completely plausible? Didn’t you buy some bubonic plague-carrying rats last year, just to see “what the fuss was about”? Let this poor Man of Peace off!
“Shocking pictures show how computer whizz hid ‘deadly ricin’ capable of killing 1,400 inside toy Lamborghini supercar,” by Richard Wheatstone, Mirror, July 29, 2015 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
Shocking pictures show how a computer geek attempted to stash a batch of ‘deadly ricin poison’ capable of killing 1,400 people inside a toy Lamborghini.
Mohammed Ali, 31, attempted to purchase the chemical weapon over the ‘dark web’ from his home in Liverpool.
But the software programmer didn’t realise that his supplier was an FBI agent who tipped off police in the UK and sent him harmless powder.
Under the username Weirdos 0000, Ali struck a deal with a supplier on the internet black market to buy 500mg of powder for £320 – enough to kill 1,400 people.
The dad-of-two took delivery of the powder stashed inside five vials hidden inside a battery compartment Police then swooped on his home and arrested him under anti-terror laws.
Ultraviolet light revealed Ali had handled the package which had been laced with a marker substance.
Ali held his head in his hands as he was found guilty of attempting to have a chemical weapon in his possession at Westminster Magistrates’ Court today.
He will be sentenced in September and faces a lengthy spell behind bars.
The court heard Ali approached the undercover agent in January with a private message: “Hi, would you be able to make me some ricin and send it to the UK?”
In a series of encrypted chats they discussed the price of a lethal dose, discounts for bulk orders and repeat purchases, and ricin’s “shelf life”, jurors were told.
In his defence, Ali told jurors that he was just “curious” and wanted to test the boundaries of the Dark Web unaware that ricin was illegal.
He told the jury: “I was interested in the Dark Net and ricin. I just wanted to know what the fuss was about.[“]
But prosecutor Sally Howes QC said Ali was a “chancer” who lied to police about having ricin when he was arrested in the hope that he would “get away with it”.
And everything about his conduct pointed to a man who carefully and meticulously researched and carried out a plan to buy ricin.
Ms Howes told the jury that ricin was the “perfect poison” because it killed without leaving a trace in the body. Ali had ordered enough to kill up to 1,400 people, although his potential targets were not known.
Justice Saunders said: “There is no evidence that he was planning any sort of terrorist attack.
“There is also no evidence that he had in mind any specific victims for ricin. I do not accept he was going to dispose of it.
“I’m satisfied it would have remained in his possession in some way and that is the basis on which I propose to sentence.”…
Complacent fool.
nicu says
I HOPE it will hit our governments next time !
Let’s see if they still giver them a tap on the fingers !
Big Ted says
Christ Almighty! I live in this country….
What has Cameron done?
Paul says
This cunt just so happened to want to order a deadly chemical weapon
capable of killing hundreds of people and, at best, faces “a lengthy spell
behind bars”, and all the people in the court can do is lie about his motives
and insult people’s intelligence! Would he be dealt with so leniently had he
planned to do this near the houses of parliament? The UK justice system
is on the wrong side, as if any more proof was necessary.
AnnaK says
What if he were an ethnic Englishman ? ( No Prizes for guessing !)
Paul says
The powers that be would quite happily have us believe that
he’s just some random guy who may or may not have been
planning something awful. It must pain them to finally reveal
his name and confirm what we suspected – or were already as
good as certain of. These people have made it clear they won’t
stand up for us and will do their best to keep us in the dark.
We saw it with the murder of Lee Rigby and the embarrassing level
of denial that ensued. Nothing’s changed.
ich says
I sometimes wonder if we will get so tired of these idiots
that maybe another crusades will happen
Mark DeFord Eletion says
Technically, a crusade is carried out by christians, but if you broaden the definition a little to mean any religion violently attacking another, then a worldwide crusade is already occurring. It’s an islamic crusade against the non-islamic world.
Is there a word for islamic expansionism? If not, we need one.
More Ham Ed says
Unholy Ko ‘ran – that’s the word.
Godwin says
An empire that had ruled the lands where the sun never sets is coming to such a sad end at the hands of its current greedy leaders. Pathetic. A karmic revenge for the great sins it had committed during the colonial days. Blame no one but on Divine arrangement.
Paul says
Come on, that’s something like what leftists would say. They
probably believe that Britain’s colonisation of India, for example,
justifies the wholesale rape of under age girls in Rotherham at
the hands of Muslims. They’d never say that of course, but they
lack any logic or compassion. And what about Britain’s role in
defeating Nazism or William Wilberforce’s role in the abolition
of slavery? You mentioned “divine arrangement”. The left has
worked tirelessly for decades to undermine Britain’s
Judeo-Christian culture and, predictably, Islam has filled the void.
I don’t think God would arrange it so that people would turn away
from Him. Though I do agree with the bit about “greedy leaders”.
gravenimage says
Paul, thanks for noting the good that Britain has done. Despite her flaws, he has done more than almost any other nation to spread the ideas of freedom and human rights.
The idea that it would be “Divine arrangement” to see this civilized nation to fall to the barbaric Muslim hordes is just sickening.
gravenimage says
Godwin wrote:
A karmic revenge for the great sins it had committed during the colonial days. Blame no one but on Divine arrangement.
………………………….
Good God, what rot. Islam was attacking the West *long* before Britain ever began her colonial adventures. And why, then, is Islam attacking countries such as France, who were often opposed to British colonial expansion?
And if you believe that Jihadists are simply targeting former colonial powers, wrong again.
Did Norway ever colonize other nations? Greece? Ireland? Canada?
Paul says
Good points you bring up. Godwin has obviously fallen
victim to the stupid paradigm often served up by the left
that the West has ONLY ever done terrible things and
should be taken down. Should we, for example, wish Erdogan
well in imposing tyranny upon the Turks because of the
Armenian genocide committed by their forefathers and
which the government refuses to acknowledge till today?
Of course not! But that vindictive way of thinking only
applies to the West anyway. As I say, the same people
who accuse others of ‘racism’ for attacking the IDEOLOGY
of islam will completely ignore the plight of the majority of
its victims who aren’t white – you won’t hear a peep out of
them about the regular wholesale butchering of Nigerian
Christians, Coptic Christian girls being abducted in Egypt,
Pakistani Christians being sold into slavery, Asia Bibi’s
impending execution there etc.
gravenimage says
All very true, Paul.
Goat Pimp says
Is that Justice Mohammed Saunders?
mortimer says
Whaddayatalkinabout? The holy Koran says to Kill the Infidels Wherever You Find Them!
We can’t restrict freedom of religion, can we?
Jihadists are Bronze Age warriors who love 21st century biological and military science to make weapons of mass destruction that prove Islam is a form of mass delusion.
jayell says
That’s what the judge was probably thinking about. You know, muslim, killing, it’s in their culcher, innit?
Angemon says
Riiiiiiiight…. Can’t he spot the obvious contradiction?
RonaldB says
If you go by the article, we don’t actually know if he’s facing a light sentence or not. The judge did say there was no evidence of any way that he was planning to use the ricin. That doesn’t mean that he didn’t have plans for it, but if he did, either he didn’t commit it to paper, or the investigators have not found it.
My suspicion is that he was taking things one step at a time. First, he would lay in a supply of ricin. Once that step was taken, he would work on developing techniques of delivering it to targeted individuals or groups. I don’t think he would have just dumped it in the water supply, but might leave doses in places like buffets, where he could kill 20 or 30 people at one time over an extended period.
But, suspicions are not evidence. Either it’s illegal to even possess the means for mass poisoning, or the judge is right, and there is no evidence of planning for terror acts. Perhaps the laws need to be changed.
afrostreetwise says
Christianity must be the true religion. We soak so much offence before we retaliate. that is very Godly. Anyone (especially a christian) cause half as much in an muslim country and the consequences are server. lucky if your head remains intact.
meanwhile anyone please email me Robert Spencer’s email to afrostreetwise02@gmail.com. Thanks .
gravenimage says
afrostreetwise, go to the bottom of the page and you will find “Contact Jihad Watch”. You can reach Robert Spencer there.
Charli Main says
“Justice Saunders said: “There is no evidence that he was planning any sort of terrorist attack.”
Its possibly not generally know that the British Judiciary is a completely independent body not answerable to anyone, including the democratically elected British Government.
These clowns prance around in medieval costumes and are quite literally are law unto themselves.
The efforts of successive Home Secretaries to deport foreign criminals, terrorists and illegal immigrants are regularly blocked by these historical relics on some obtuse ” point of law” or because THEY have decided that some criminal´s” human rights” or “right to a family life” has been breeched.
The time that this antiquated organisation was brought into the 21st century, by the nation´s elected Government, is long overdue.
pongidae rex says
Until the bullet leaves the gun, or the bomb goes off, or the poison is dumped in the food/water, there is no ‘evidence’ of ‘planning any sort of terrorist attack’. They just like to have those things laying around their homes for decoration. Magical thinking from the Bench.
Our courtrooms are now the weapon of choice for those who seek to destroy us.
afrostreetwise says
i hope the judge is not mad and does not have any loved ones.
If i see a cobra nicely basking in the sun, near my home, i stray away organize an execution squad even though i have no evidence it was going to bite anyone. Here in rural Kenya, we just ignore the fact that it has been around hiding around the homestead where it has grown to full size without ever having bitten anyone. I do not know of anyone who ever suffered any grief or loss because of the pre-emptive action.
dumbledoresarmy says
You are a Kenyan Christian?
I hope that you and your leaders are studying up on classic Just War doctrine.
Because I think you are going to need it; the Mohammedan Fifth Column within your country seems to have decided that it is big and strong enough to shuck off the sheep’s clothing and start openly behaving like lawless predators.
afrostreetwise says
You are a Kenyan Christian?
Yes I am christian. What really has made me mad is to have a senior member of parliament one Mr Duale arrogantly(in fact very rudely) telling us that he, alongside his other Northeastern Kenya colleagues-All moslems, wont be releasing a list of alshabaab sponsors and supporters. Off course the whole country was promised the list to stave off retaliatory attacks after 147 christian students were killed in Garrisa university by alshabaab. The government,for whatever reason is not demanding it be released in the same format it was promised i.e publicly. I feel an incredible obligation to get to parliament to state things as they are. That unfortunately is the only way here- these fellows are very powerful and the hate speech(whether trumped up, imagined or real) laws are very stringent . Any sponsor out there? Take such support as anti jihad gone global .Afrostreetwise02@gmail.com
afrostreetwise says
typo please. “instead of stray away” should be “straight away.”
tilda says
It’s difficult to find a decent news article about this case (one that makes some clear sense to me).
However, weaving together a few different articles, I’m not inclined to be too hard on the judge.
An article in The Guardian says that the terror offence was dropped due to lack of evidence.
If the prosecution dropped that charge due to lack of evidence then the judge can’t base his sentence on something for which there was no evidence. (Ali would automatically appeal if a judge did that.)
Guardian article is here: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/29/breaking-bad-fan-mohammed-ammer-ali-ordered-ricin-to-know-what-fuss-was-about
The judge said, “I do not accept that he was going to dispose of it.” Article in the Daily Mail says that Ali said that he had given up on the idea of testing the poison on a small animal and had “resolved to flush it [ricin] down the toilet instead.” It seems to me that the judge is rejecting that evidence; he doesn’t believe what Ali said about flushing it.
Daily Mail article is here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3178696/Father-tried-buy-ricin-kill-1-400-people-GUILTY-attempting-acquire-chemical-weapon.html
Will have to wait and see what the actual sentence is (maximum is life), but — from what I can gather from patchy news articles — I cannot see what else the judge could have said.
mortimer says
Mohammed Ali, 31, of Liverpool is a jihad-murder ACCOMPLICE!
Supporting a jihadist or giving money or weapons to a jihadist makes a Muslim equal to a jihadist.
Koran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.”
Koran 9.41 “Go forth, light or heavy and strive with your wealth and your lives in way (of) Allah. That (is) better for you, if you know.”
Western judges and politicians are UNACQUAINTED with our enemy.
“Know your enemy and you will not be defeated.” – Sun Tsu
Godwin says
But the UK n US authorities has turned against the advice of Sun Tze who always won on the battle fields.
Dan says
So people who like guns and supports the 2nd Amendment are crazy nut jobs who need to be controlled and/or locked up even though guns are legitimate tools/sporting items, and many collectibles o boot…
Yet someone who wants a product which has absolutely no other purpose than to kill a lot of people, is just curious.
Is there some ricin spicin’ bbq cook off I’m unaware of?
Or is ricin as good as botox injections?
Or maybe at least a safer rat/cockroach poison?
Good God, how stupid are we?
abad says
Brought to you by the “We have to give Muslims what they want then maybe they will leave us alone” delusional liberal mentality.
Sorry to say goodbye to you, UK. It’s been nice knowing you.
Champ says
“Mohammad Ali” + ricin = TERRORIST ATTACK
1 + 1 = 2
c’mon this is like basic math!!!
gravenimage says
Shocking pictures show how a computer geek attempted to stash a batch of ‘deadly ricin poison’ capable of killing 1,400 people inside a toy Lamborghini.
………………………….
So what is salient here is that he is a “computer geek”, and not that he is Muslim?
More obfuscation.
More:
Under the username Weirdos 0000, Ali struck a deal with a supplier on the internet black market to buy 500mg of powder for £320 – enough to kill 1,400 people.
In a series of encrypted chats they discussed the price of a lethal dose, discounts for bulk orders and repeat purchases, and ricin’s “shelf life”, jurors were told.
………………………….
“Discounts for bulk purchases”? In other words, this fine Mohammedan was planning *multiple* mass murders—he likely would not have stopped at 1,400 dead.
More:
In his defence, Ali told jurors that he was just “curious” and wanted to test the boundaries of the Dark Web unaware that ricin was illegal.
………………………….
Yeah—everybody goes to the Dark Web for mass murder weapons—all perfectly legal, just like going down to the local Rexall…sarc/off
More:
He told the jury: “I was interested in the Dark Net and ricin. I just wanted to know what the fuss was about.[“]
………………………….
Next up: what’s all the fuss about Bubonic Plague and Smallpox, anyways?
Cecilia Ellis says
Excellent!
epistemology says
I feel exactly the same way you don’t buy a lethal substance just to see what the fuss is about. He wanted to kill. It never fails to amaze me how these muzzies can play the part of the innocent, naive ignoramus and get away with it.
“There is also no evidence that he had in mind any specific victims for ricin. I do not accept he was going to dispose of it.”
What else should he have wanted? Probably carrying out some valuable chemical experiments that advance our knowledge in science.
As for the specific victims, any infidel is a victim. Get your weapons and then think about your targets, there are plenty, the country is full of infidels, the only question is where to kill most efficiently. Muzzies are very good at finding out. The old Roman rule “when in doubt then for the defendant” doesn’t apply to muzzies. For security reasons you can never see anything in favour of muzzies.
gravenimage says
Yes–the idea that he “wanted to see what the fuss was about” is clearly absurd. I assume ricin usually comes in the form of a powder or something similar, and probably looks like your grandma’s talcum, and is about as exciting.
You can’t possibly “know what the fuss is about” with ricin *unless you use it on people*.
Deborah says
This is islamic biological terrorism or islamic chemical terrorism.
muslims are death machine
RT says
‘No one expects the Golden Horde’
If Mongol War Lords weren’t bad enough……..adopting Islam didn’t make them any nicer.
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/8/9/01-0536_article
Biological Warfare at the 1346 Siege of Caffa
Abstract
On the basis of a 14th-century account by the Genoese Gabriele de’ Mussi, the Black Death is widely believed to have reached Europe from the Crimea as the result of a biological warfare attack. This is not only of great historical interest but also relevant to current efforts to evaluate the threat of military or terrorist use of biological weapons. Based on published translations of the de’ Mussi manuscript, other 14th-century accounts of the Black Death, and secondary scholarly literature, I conclude that the claim that biological warfare was used at Caffa is plausible and provides the best explanation of the entry of plague into the city. This theory is consistent with the technology of the times and with contemporary notions of disease causation; however, the entry of plague into Europe from the Crimea likely occurred independent of this event.
Charli Main says
I believe that it was common practice in the Middle Ages for an army besieging a fortification to catapult rotting dead animals and sewage over its walls to spread disease among the defenders.
Jerry says
Just like Iran trying to make peaceful nukes
and not intending to use them on anyone
not even on Israel.
Champ says
He just wanted to get some ricin, you know, to have it around. Don’t you have some in the cookie jar?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I keep my rice in a cookie jar …
Hey he should’ve told the court that he meant to order “rice” and not “ricin” and this was just some BIG misunderstanding!! ..why not they might have believed him @_@
Mo says
@ Champ
“Hey he should’ve told the court that he meant to order “rice” and not “ricin” and this was just some BIG misunderstanding!! ..why not they might have believed him @_@”
They would’ve believed it! They would have been too afraid to be called “racist” for misunderstanding or joking about a foreign-named man’s grammar/spelling skill!
This is what we’ve come to. God help us.
Champ says
Indeed, Mo! Yes — we are looking at a sad state of affairs.
gravenimage says
Though he did wonder why that “rice” was so damn expensive…sarc/off
Jerry says
Justice Saunders should be removed on the ground
that he is no longer of sound mind.
isntlam says
He was unaware that it’s illegal to buy ricin ! Like you can buy it on Amazon…
duh_swami says
Kitchen counter chemistry…If all he wanted to do was experiment he could stick his nose in the container and inhale deeply. Then take note of the results…
sidney penny says
“Justice Saunders said: “There is no evidence that he was planning any sort of terrorist attack.
“There is also no evidence that he had in mind any specific victims for ricin. I do not accept he was going to dispose of it.
“I’m satisfied it would have remained in his possession in some way and that is the basis on which I propose to sentence.”…
Complacent fool.”
At least Robert he was not as bad as this Judge Sweeny also in England who became an instant expert on Islam..
Maybe the Police caught him too early.They should have kept him under observation.for bit longer.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/uk-judge-tells-jihad-murderers-of-soldier-that-they-betrayed-islam-they-start-screaming-allahu-akbar-and-fighting-prison-guards
The judge said
“You each converted to Islam some years ago. Thereafter you were radicalised and each became an extremist, espousing views which, as has been said elsewhere, are a betrayal of Islam.”
Note the Judge does not say where “elsewhere” is. Normally judges are suppose to give the reasons for their decisions..
Paul says
I remember just after Lee Rigby had been murdered and MI5
announcing that they had had the two killers (or at least one of
them, I am sure) under surveillance. Were they proud of the
fact that they already knew about such dangerous people
who they were unable to prevent from such a terrible thing?
If I was them I’d have kept my mouth shut!
The Doctor says
I must respectfully disagree in your assessment that they should have watched him for longer. His next step, according to notes found in his home, was to kill a small animal. Once the substance did not work he would have been suspicious. I feel that the police acted appropriately.
sidney penny says
Did anyone notice his name.I am not sure it was a Muslim name.
Mohammed Ali, 31, attempted to purchase the chemical weapon over the ‘dark web’ from his home in Liverpool.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/former-fbi-assistant-director-on-mohammad-abdulazeez-we-dont-know-that-its-a-muslim-name
Former FBI assistant director on Mohammad Abdulazeez: “We don’t know that it’s a Muslim name”
JULY 17, 2015 10:43 AM BY ROBERT SPENCER 89 COMMENTS
“This is the quality of analysis that we have at the highest levels of the FBI and other agencies. No wonder we are in the fix we’re in.”
including the judiciary in England.
Arthur says
Even if he had been the head of a biotech company with a legitimate use for ricin, he should be put away for life because handling such a substance without proper personal protective equipment, proper engineering controls, and in a proper laboratory environment to prevent accidental release would result in millions in fines and confiscation of property. The fact that he thought he had ricin in the same house as his young children means that he should never see his children again. Putting ricin in a toy car in a house with children is child endangerment of the highest level. No need to even speculate on his motives to put him away for good.
Lioness says
The guy is abviously educated, not some dim-wit, so he doesn’t know that ricin is illegal? Who is he kidding! Only a British judge can be so stupid as to believe him. In the US this low-lifer would be looking at a jail cell for many many years.
Paul says
I’m sure America would deal with this much better (at least for
now under the present administration), but he’d still embark
on some other murderous plan after a lengthy stretch in
prison, radicalising other inmates into carrying out similar acts
of terror in the process. The uncomfortable truth, which will
become more and more apparent to all of us, is that the
only way to rehabilitate people like that is to kill them. I’ve
always been against the death penalty, but these savages
make a very compelling argument in favour of its return.
Lee Hicks says
Ever since Britain betrayed the Jews during and after WW2, doing everything they could to prevent settlement in Israel, holdi
Their capitulations to Islam are just a part of God’s judgment on the nation, fulfilling the promise that He would bless nations that bless Israel, and curse those that curse them.
Much the same thing is happening in the U.S. as well, and partly for the same reasons.
gravenimage says
With all their shortcomings and willful denial of the Jihad threat, do you *really* believe that the world–including Israel–will be safer if Britain and America fall to Islam? If you do, then with all respect, you are a fool.
Some of us plan to fight for both these nations, Robert Spencer among them. Winston Churchill, God knows, had plenty of reason to be frustrated with his fellow citizens, but he never gave up fighting for Britain and the rest of the free West. Neither should you.
Uncle Vladdi says
Re: “Justice Saunders said: “There is no evidence that he was planning any sort of terrorist attack.
“There is also no evidence that he had in mind any specific victims for ricin. I do not accept he was going to dispose of it.
“I’m satisfied it would have remained in his possession in some way and that is the basis on which I propose to sentence.”…”
AH, SO MASS-MURDERERS AND RANDOM TERRORISTS NEED TO HAVE VERY SPECIFIC VICTIMS IN MIND, OR ELSE THEY WEREN’T PLANNING ANY CRIMES!
THIS IS LIKE WHEN THE FBI INSISTS THAT, SINCE JOE JIHADI HAD NO APPARENT CONNECTIONS TO THE TALIBAN, AL QUAEDA, OR ISIS, HE THEREFORE WASN’T ENGAGED IN TERRORISM AT ALL!
IMAGINE THIS TAKEN TO IT’S “LOGICAL” CONCLUSION:
IF THE GANG WHO RAPED YOUR DAUGHTERS AND MURDERED YOUR PETS WEREN’T PART OF AN ORGANIZED CRIME-GANG (SAY, “THE MAFIA”) THEN, BECAUSE NO “ORGANIZED” CRIME OCCURRED, THEN THEY ALSO JUDGED THAT NO CRIME AT ALL COULD HAVE OCCURRED, EITHER! WHEE!
I’ve seen other judges, in the past, declare that, because no evidence was found to indicate CRIMINAL negligence had occurred, that NO negligence had occurred at all (despite that, say, the government agents had broken EVERY single one of their own 40+ guidelines in assigning an illegal business contract to a friend of the Mayor)! cf “Judge” Charles Hackland’s Lansdowne park decision.
UNBELIEVABLE CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE ON THE PARTS OF THESE “JUDGES!”
THEY SHOULD BE DISBARRED FOR SUCH BLATANT DISPLAYS OF IGNORANCE OF BASIC LEGAL PRINCIPLES!
M S case says
This guy probably just thought he was buying some castor beans to plant in his yard to run the moles away…Isn’t ricin made from the castor bean…Castor bean plants have been used for centuries to drive moles from peoples yards and that ‘s probably what he thought he was getting the castor bean. Sure that was it…..
Yellowdog says
Why is it that the person who made the ricin sale is not going to jail too?
gravenimage says
If the seller is on the Dark Web he may not be traceable, and may not be in Britain, in any case.