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UK Muslim tried to buy enough ricin to kill 1,400 people

Jul 21, 2015 6:07 pm By Robert Spencer

Officers handcuff and detain man on suspicion of selling forged tickets for FA Cup Final in Cardiff City Centre South Wales UKNothing to be concerned about. He says he wanted it for “peaceful purposes.” And besides, he has Asperger’s Syndrome. People with Asperger’s often try to murder 1,400 people with ricin, now, don’t they, you greasy Islamophobe?

“Man ‘tried to buy enough ricin to kill 1,400 people’, court hears,” BBC, July 21, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

A man tried to use the anonymous “dark web” to buy “enough ricin to kill up to 1,400 people”, a court has heard.

Mohammed Ammer Ali, 31, of Prescot Road, Liverpool, then set about finding a rabbit or other “pocket-sized pet” to test it on, the Old Bailey heard.

He tried to purchase a lethal dose of the toxin online, but was caught by an undercover FBI agent posing as a seller, prosecutors said.

Mr Ali denies a charge of attempting to possess a chemical weapon.

In encrypted chats, Mr Ali and the US agent discussed the price of a lethal dose and repeat purchases, jurors were told.
‘Homemade poison’

Sally Howes QC, prosecuting, said the agent arranged for a harmless powder hidden inside a toy car to be sent to Mr Ali’s home.

A police raid in February found a computer used to access the “dark web” and a mobile phone which had been used to search for “homemade poison” and “what poison is easily concealed?”.

Records also showed he had made a payment using online currency Bitcoin days before the delivery.

In one exchange with the undercover agent, Bolton-born Mr Ali was told he could test the ricin on a rodent, the court heard.

The phone found at Mr Ali’s flat was also used for search for “Liverpool pet shop” and had a note saying “get pet to murder”.

Ms Howes QC told jurors Mr Ali admits contacting the undercover agent and ordering the “ricin”.
‘Perfect poison’

Ricin is a naturally-occurring substance found in the seeds of the castor oil plant.

It was described in court as “the poisoner’s perfect poison” because its symptoms are non-specific and it does not show up in a post-mortem examination.

A 100 mg dose is enough to kill up to 280 people within three to five days if ingested or injected while 500 mg can kill between 700 and 1,400 people, said Ms Howes QC.

In Mr Ali’s defence, she said, he is likely to claim he wanted to experiment with and understand the workings of the “dark web” and to see if he could buy ricin out of curiosity.

His claim that he wanted to posses the poison for “peaceful purposes”, but the Crown say the duration and nature of his internet searches contradict this.

The defence will also rely on an assessment that Mr Ali has personality traits associated with Asperger’s Syndrome to explain his conduct, Ms Howes QC said.

Police have found no evidence that Mr Ali, who denies attempting to possess a chemical weapon between 10 January and 12 February, has any association with terrorist activities or organisations….

Yeah, it must be that Asperger’s.

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  1. abad says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    Ah, now the UK media is playing the Asperger’s card?

    I have a very real problem with that – someone very close to me has Asperger’s and he is the sweetest, gentlest person you’d ever meet. Moreover he is not a Muslim he is a Christian.

    Drop dead, Mohammed Ammer Ali

    • underbed cat says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      The “Asperger card” was used here in the U.S. explaining a school tragedy…not too much of a mention of any mosque nearby that may have infected a young man’s mind….in my opinion. Another mental illness, another gun that fired off hate, just no muslim name…some strange investigations. With so many that don’t scrub their internet, prepare for an aftermath and get caught…it is curious even the confession of jihad seems to fly into the ears and out the other side.

      U.K. is busy meanwhile with terror arrests, a curious situation.

      • Shane says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 10:01 am

        He is infected with the jihad virus like all Muslims. You never know when the jihad virus is going to become active in a Muslim, so end Muslim immigration into the West.

    • No Fear says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 4:29 am

      I have Asperger’s. I also have a Degree in Mathematics, an uncanny ability to remember botanical names of plants, an obsessive interest in stamp collecting…… however…..I have never tried to arrange the murder of anyone, especially for ideological reasons such as found in the Quran. Asperger’s causes problems understanding social situations and people’s behaviours. I constantly ask my wife why someone did something or why they said something. Social subtlety is not part of my life. Asperger’s doesn’t cause murder..

      • No Fear says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 4:37 am

        Forgot to add: Being on the Autism spectrum can make some people feel very frustrated. Anger management can be an issue. But Aspy’s, like everyone, must learn to co-exist and obey the law and respect other people’s DNA.

      • Brian says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 6:33 am

        I have GREAT respect for people with Asperger’s/autism…I marvel at their memory skills and talents.

      • Emjay See says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 9:01 am

        My Grandson has the same, not a problem – he too is into maths

      • John C. Barile says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 2:55 pm

        Gee, let’s start an Aspy support group here. I have Asperger’s, too. No criminal, drug or alcohol issues. Am a real underachiever, though. But I like botany also.

        • John C. Barile says

          Jul 22, 2015 at 10:46 pm

          And toxicology. /sarc

  2. American says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    I wonder if the UK has yet grasped the enormity of the problem political correctness and multi-culturalism has graced them with.

    • Nathan says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 6:36 pm

      No. Not in the least.
      You know the pictures of the little lamb seconds before it gets it throat slit open?

      That’s us, that is.

    • Westman says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 7:56 pm

      Only the stupidity of the would-be terrorists saves the multiculturalists from their own.

  3. Angemon says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 8:09 pm

    The phone found at Mr Ali’s flat was also used for search for “Liverpool pet shop” and had a note saying “get pet to murder”.

    *facepalm*

    Oh, for f***’s sake. It seems everyday muslims go lower and lower on the “moronic dumbass” scale. Must have something to do with inbreeding and feeling of blamelessness.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 8:12 pm

      Seriously, a note saying “get pet to murder”? Why doesn’t he grows a mustache to twirl and wears a monocle, cane, top hat, black suit and cape while he’s at it?

      What a buffoon…

    • Anon says

      Jul 21, 2015 at 8:28 pm

      On the other hand, it sounds very aspergers, i.e., overly plain spoken.

      Why are you so insensitive to the disabled?

      (Just kidding)

    • Brian says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 6:36 am

      Well as Islam is Satan’s religion, maybe these Muslims become possessed with evil spirits who make them do this…Maybe worldwide exorcism might combat it…

  4. Jan Aage Jeppersen says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Using Aspergers Syndrome as an explanation or excuse for mass murderer is a rather clever one.

    New Study from 2014 Shows 92% Of Convicted Murderers Suffer From Aspergers Syndrome –

    See more at: http://witscience.org/new-study-shows-92-convicted-murderers-suffer-aspergers-syndrome/#sthash.OG5xHm20.dpuf

    A couple of years ago one of my friends who is an expert on Aspergers Synndrome (AS) suspected a connection between this syndrome and aggressive and violent behavior. In my view AS in itself does nor lead to voilent behavior. Some other mental issues or social factors must be involved and work together.

    What is needed is a study of the prevalence of AS in the Islamic culture. No data seems to be available on this subject.

    • Person says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 1:38 am

      Wit science is an satire website.

      • particolor says

        Jul 22, 2015 at 6:25 am

        ” Mental Illness” is no longer Flavour of the Month ! Its worn out and Needed another Victim Plea Excuse ! 🙁

  5. mortimer says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    “Kill infidels wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war.” Koran 9:5

    ‘Every stratagem of war’ would include biological warfare, wouldn’t it?

    But most law enforcement people don’t know this key verse of Islam, do they?

  6. sidney penny says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    Yeah, it must be that Asperger’s.

    Yeah,I agree too.

  7. Cecilia Ellis says

    Jul 21, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    Ricin is a toxin and is categorized as a biological agent. Unlike viruses or bacteria, ricin is not a live organism; rather, it is a by-product of a live organism, in this case, the castor bean . . . yes, the same origin of castor oil. Most biological weapons produce physiological effects that are similar to flu-like symptoms and, for that reason, ricin poisoning is hard to detect. Additionally, like most of the biological weapons, ricin can be inhaled, ingested, or injected. Depending upon the method of dissemination, symptoms may present within hours. For example, Georgi Markov, a Bulgarian journalist who defected to Britain, was injected with ricin by a suspected Bulgarian agent while standing on a London street waiting for a bus. Using an umbrella designed to release a small pellet when activated, the agent walked past Markov and stabbed him with the tip of his umbrella. The agent went on his way, and Markov thought nothing of the incident, thinking that it was a mere accident. By the evening, he had developed a high fever; four days later he died. When an autopsy was performed, a small metal pellet (less than 1/10th of an inch in diameter) was found. There were two small holes in the pellet. It was determined that the pellet had been filled with ricin and the holes had been sealed afterwards with a substance designed to melt with the body temperature. Once melted, the ricin entered the bloodstream. Had the pellet not been discovered during the autopsy, no one would have known that Markov was assassinated.

    Given this information, Mohammed Ammer Ali could easily have killed a lot of people had he been successful in acquiring ricin because there is no antidote. To associate his acts as somehow germane to Asperger’s Syndrome is ludicrous. He specifically opted for an undetectable weapon for which there is no antidote. He did not want to die for Allah; he just wanted to kill for Allah. Don’t bother to search his computer, medical records or communications . . . pick up his Qur’an and connect the dots.

    • Evolution says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 2:44 am

      That was a really interesting story.

      “Don’t bother to search his computer, medical records or communications . . . pick up his Qur’an and connect the dots.”

      And a surprise twist at the end !

  8. William Lucas Harvey Jr. says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 12:11 am

    “UK Muslim tried to buy enough ricin to kill 1,400 people”

    AGAIN – this IS the way of Islam – the PROVEN Murdering Cult Ideology of HATE, and Bloody “Death to the Infidel” Butchery, “Posing” as a “Religion”, ONLY to obtain “Religions Freedom Privileges” in the Free Countries that offer them, in an attempt to spread their FALSE “Religion” of HATE throughout the World.

    ONLY for the Subversive “Creeping Sharia” Purpose of advancing the cause of Islam by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

  9. medaber_emet says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 3:04 am

    It seems to me that the muslims are so confident that you brits are so dumb and stupid and most of all cowards that their terror acts becoming more and more bold and ambitious
    you will taste the true islam when the civil war in UK will start

    • Tequila Not Taqiyya says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 4:10 am

      That’s what happens when your leader repeats over and over again after each Muslim slaughter “Islam is a religion of peace” “ISIS is not Islamic” “They are just perverting Islam”. And goes to Islamic breakfasts and cavorts with known Islamic radicals.

      Might as well just hand the country over to them a la Chamberlain.

  10. Shane says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 6:57 am

    Dear Mr Cameron will you please get anjem to sign this piece of paper so we can all have peace in our time?.

  11. epistemology says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 7:28 am

    The Koran says “Kill the infidels, wherever you find them”, it’s obvious this Ali wanted to kill a lot of people. There don’t have to be evident terrorist connections, he can be one of these self-radicalized guys who go to muzzie websites all the time. Hope the prosecutor wakes up and doesn’t blame it all on Asberger’s. Islam is the religion of terrorism. When will they ever learn?

  12. duh_swami says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Most likely he would not spread his poison by air because he may accidentally breath it, water would dilute it. The perfect target is contaminated food. It wouldn’t be the first time someone did that. The open veggie and fruit bins in grocery stores are especially vulnerable.

  13. jayell says

    Jul 22, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    “In Mr Ali’s defence (Ms. Howes QC said) he is likely to claim he wanted to experiment with and understand the workings of the “dark web” and to see if he could buy ricin out of curiosity…..he wanted to posses the poison for “peaceful purposes”……..Exactly like that nice Mr. Capone sent for all those shiny machine guns on mail order just to see if they looked anything like the exciting plastic imitations in the shops that he wanted for a bit of innocent fun with his friends targetting pigeons in the park. It was all an accident because Mr Moran and his chums, and the policemen, unfortunately happened to get in the way, Your Honour, and Mr. Capone really didn’t realise that they would go off ‘bang’ so fast when you pulled the little trigger-thing!!! Honest!!!! Oh, sorry, Your Honour wasn’t born yesterday?….. Neither, unfortunately for Mr Ali, were the British Public or the British Judiciary.

    I’ve often noticed that observing the antics of our friends from the Muslim Community can be a little bit like watching a Monty Python sketch come to life. But as for….”The defence will also rely on an assessment that Mr Ali has personality traits associated with Asperger’s Syndrome to explain his conduct, Ms Howes QC said”……How long does one have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to come up with THAT one? Like “My client suffers from traits of acute somnambulism and he was sleep-walking when he nicked half the contents of the local Walmart last Thursday, Your Honour”. Yeah, right.

    • Paul says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      Talking of Monty Python, the guys in this sketch are about as good
      as naming the nature of their problem as our useless politicians and
      and MSM are at naming ours, only the latter aren’t funny :

      • jayell says

        Jul 23, 2015 at 6:59 am

        Hello Paul. I just watched the Monty Python ‘Tiger ate my leg’ Sketch. How appropriate! I also noted a another Monty Python title next to the screen – ‘John Cleese – How To Irritate People’. Do you think our Muzzie friends have taken this one as part on their Holy Writ? Because they’re certainly good at THAT!

    • EYESOPEN says

      Jul 22, 2015 at 9:41 pm

      Sounds like the “Twinkie” defense to me…

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