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UK: Muslims “sick and tired” of Cameron’s words about “Islamist extremism”

Jul 24, 2015 12:44 pm By Robert Spencer

David Cameron Abdullah RehmanThe witless panderer Cameron insisted in his speech that Islam was a peaceful religion, but this sop to the War-Is-Deceit crowd didn’t placate them. The fact that he is talking about Islamic terrorism at all, in however toothless and mealy-mouthed a fashion, sends them into paroxysms of rage. “I think he needs to be careful he does not want to isolate one community,” said Blackburn councillor Shaukut Hussain — and yet jihad terror and Islamic supremacist boasts about Britain’s imminent conquest by Islam only come from one community. If they’re really loyal British subjects, Shaukat Hussain and other Muslim leaders should be working to show themselves loyal to the British state, instead of demanding that the British state stop speaking about matters it would prefer to ignore.

“Lancashire Muslims ‘sick and tired’ of David Cameron’s pronouncements on home-grown Islamist extremism,” Lancashire Telegraph, July 21, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

LEADING East Lancashire Muslims say they are ‘sick and tired’ of Prime Minister David Cameron’s pronouncements on home-grown Islamist extremism.

Mr Cameron made a speech yesterday saying the root causes of radicalisation must be tackled and that many people born and raised in the UK don’t ‘identify with Britain and feel little or no attachment to other people here’.

Blackburn councillor Shaukut Hussain said every time this type of announcement was made the local Muslim community felt it had to defend itself.

He said: “I think he needs to be careful he does not want to isolate one community. We are British. Personally I am sick and tired of having to defend Muslims and my community. These extremists do not represent us. I do not feel I have to defend the actions of these idiots.

“Most of these guys have fallen away and what we need to do is to find a way of controlling the internet as that’s where the majority of brainwashing is taking place, not mosques, and I think he is wrong if he is trying to blame one community.”

Fellow councillor Salim Mulla said: “We are working our socks off to promote community integration and he can’t keep bashing the Muslim community like this. He needs to look at the grassroots level. Maybe his party is not that integrated but as far as I can see the community here is integrated.”

Mr Cameron told an audience in Birmingham that those tempted to travel to Syria and Iraq should be convinced not to buy into the supposed ‘glamour’ of fighting for extremist groups like Islamic State. He said: “You won’t be some valued member of a movement.

“You are cannon fodder for them. If you are a boy, they will brainwash you, strap bombs to your body and blow you up. If you are a girl, they will enslave and abuse you.”

Home Secretary Theresa May has announced a five-year plan, including legislation and ‘working positively with communities’.

Pendle Council leader Cllr Mohammed Iqbal said he did not understand what Mr Cameron was hoping to achieve. He said: “There’s a small minority who are not integrated.

“I do not think his speech is going to help.”…

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  1. nicu says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    And we are sick and tired of Radical Muslims and those who always complain !

    • Champ says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      ditto! 😀

      • Georg says

        Jul 24, 2015 at 3:11 pm

        Typical. We’re tired of the extremism and they’re tired of the “comments”. What an insufferable lot.

    • PRCS says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:23 pm

      Nicu, I must disagree with you.

      The West, in particular, has been bamboozled by the false notion (although never noting that most of the world’s Muslim are not fully compliant with Qur’an and sunnah) that Muslims who strive to follow those texts to the letter are “extremists” and “radicals” and that they have been “radicalized” and are perverting and twisting Islam’s teachings.

      The truth is; they’re literalist adherents of Orthodox, written Islam.

      Just sayin’

    • Bamaguje says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 7:31 pm

      But Muslims are not sick & tired of violent intolerance.

  2. Voytek Gagalka says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    They are “sick and tired” of Cameron’s words about “Islamist extremism”? I do not pity him (far from it). But how in hell he’ll describe them as apart from so called mainstream “peaceful” ones if he will be prevented from using that very silly, and by all means oxymoron statement of appeasement? Mr. Cameron! That’s the trap for you to resolve!

    • Draki says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      LOL, an islam apologist is being scolded for being hard on islam? I love this!

    • mortimer says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      JAT349 wrote: “he will be told not to talk about muslims altogether”

      Of course, because NO CRITICISM OF ISLAM OR MUSLIMS IS PERMITTED under Sharia law. We may not criticize our Islamic Overlords or their evil Death Cult.

      • gravenimage says

        Jul 24, 2015 at 7:18 pm

        Very true, Mortimer. Under Islam *no* criticism of Islam or Muslims is allowed, especially from “filthy Infidels”.

  3. Champ says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    “I think he needs to be careful he does not want to isolate one community,” said Blackburn councillor Shaukut Hussain

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    That sounds like a veiled threat …

    Be careful, or else what ..??

    • pdxnag says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      Only they can self-identify as the OTHER. They already fully embrace the us versus them framework, incrementally smothering all remnants of them.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      Absolutely this is a threat, Champ. Quite right.

  4. Goat Pimp says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:04 pm

    One thing I would say to Lancashire Muslims who are sick and tired: “go F yourselves”.

    • Don McKellar says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 1:38 pm

      YES! Absolutely the correct response.

    • Charli Main says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 2:39 pm

      Better yet, fu*k off back to Pakistan, Abdulla because EVERYONE ELSE IS SICK AND TIRED OF YOU MUSRATS.

  5. Thomas says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:14 pm

    Mr Cameron’s search for “the root causes of radicalisation must be tackled” is common sense.

    Shaukut Hussain’s position is disingenuous.

    If he was really against these Muslim attacks, he would agree that the root causes need to be addressed. Shaukut does not want the problem fixed.

    Shaukut is being deceitful, as commanded by the koran.

    • john spielman says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 1:26 pm

      the root cause of “radicalization” is muhammed ‘s behavior as described in the qur’an and hadiths. muhammed was a demon possessed mass murderer thief liar misogynist rapist and pedophile pervert. so it should come as no shock to the infidels that muslims are commanded to do the same today!

  6. john spielman says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    muslims complain and are rightfully annoyed at all the bad publicity about islam- generated by muslims raping terrorizing and even killing infidels in the west. They see this as NORMAL part of life under sharia law of islam and there fore we the infidels must accept it and stop making such a fuse about being slaughtered by them. This is allah”s (Satan’s) will for us. -and apparently David Quisling Cameron’s will as well!

  7. Westman says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Councilor Mohammed Iqbal said: “There’s a small minority who are not integrated.” Define integrated.

    He must mean those ones with the “Sharia For Europe”, “To Hell With Your Freedom”, and “Death to those Who Insult The Prophet” signs so prevalent in the UK demonstrations. Perhaps he could take Anjem Choudary out for lunch and explain that if his little minority stops, all will be well. No more Jihad-minded misunderstanding UK muslims.

    • Georg says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:25 pm

      His “small minority” is nothing less than an existential threat, and that’s the elephant in the living room. 40% of British Muslims want Sharia law and 20% feel “sympathy with the July 7 bombers’ motives”. 25% sympathize with the Charlie Hebdo attacks! It is just sickening… as well as dangerous. And how do these Islamist apologists explain the supremacist parades of Islamic losers marching around so many small cities chanting their separatism from loudspeakers?

      What a bane to the world. Totally devoid of shame and brimming over with contempt for kaffirs and we’re expected to shut up and like it.

    • Doug says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      Great idea! A pub lunch with the lads and a few games of darts is just the ticket.

  8. Wellington says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    Muslims should feel isolated, deserve to be isolated. Ditto for Marxists, KKK members, Aryan Nation adherents, Neo-Nazis, etc. All those who adhere to an ideology which is an enemy of liberty and equality under the law, which promotes one group of people at the expense of another, should never be indulged, excused or made to feel as though they are just ordinary persons.

    • Caroline says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 2:51 pm

      Well said.

    • Georg says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      Indeed. That they would tout the Koran and expect non-Muslims to read it and think, “Well, gee, what a nice bunch we ought to bend over backwards accommodating” is truly a psychosis. No one is under an imperative to treat someone nicely who considers them to be hell-bound scum. I’m not sure the Koran shouldn’t be regarded as hate speech. Muslims are endlessly raising hell, so to speak, over perceived slights which are hardly juvenile when compared to those aimed at non-believers like a Gatling gun in the Koran.

      And they’re the ones sick and tired… How self-absorbed and blinded by supremacism.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 8:26 pm

      Hear, hear!

    • No Fear says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 4:42 am

      Agree.

  9. Neil Jennison says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    Well as a British citizen, I am sick and tired people who follow the word of Allah and behead people who are not Muslims.

    I am sick and tired of losing my hard fought for freedoms of speech and belief to placate people who follow the word of Allah.

    I am sick and tired of listening politicians lies about Islam being peaceful.

    I am sick and tired of whole areas of my country being inhabited more or less exclusively by people who follow the word of Allah.

    I am sick and tired of listening to whining Muslims speaking their taqiyya on the TV.

    I am sick and tired of being called a racist because I despise the evil that a RELIGION teaches.

    I could go on…..

  10. Dan says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    Well whites are getting blamed for the KKK, and ALL of slavery.

    And ALL Catholics are lambasted for pedophile priests.

    And people still associate modern Germany with Nazis.

    So…

    As long as you “moderate” Muslims aren’t turning in your radicals, be they neighbors, friends, and yes even family,, then the rest of us don’t want to hear it.

    Clean up your mosques for starters, then we’ll at least believe you’re trying.

    Until then?

    Put a sock in your whining.

    And show us if the Koran has verses like along the lines of “Turn the other cheek.”

    Or anything about “Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

    How about starting with, “As you sow, so shall you reap.”?

  11. BW022 says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    I’m tired or Cameron talking about Islamic extremism also. It would be nice if he could talk about the economy, jobs, EU trade, or world cup qualifying soccer. However, he can’t because there is an endless number of Islamic extremists in ISIS, trying to blow up people in England, bombing subways, funding terrorist organizations.

    Maybe it is a Muslim thing that you can solve problems without talking about them or by pretending that they don’t exist, or maybe you don’t want the problem solved or actually want terrorists to win… but I’m afraid the first step in dealing with any problem is to talk about it.

    Now… Muslims could stop Cameron by having to talk about the problem, but stopping it themselves. I don’t know how they expect to do this without talking about it first, but when they do… I’m sure Cameron will stop talking about it.

    • medaber_emet says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 3:11 am

      My friend i’m sure that all of your politicians are so intimidated and terrified by islamic assassination that they can only say good and wonderful words on islam

  12. ich says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    did buddy THREATEN him ?

    I THINK SO !!!

  13. Angemon says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    I do not feel I have to defend the actions of these idiots.

    No, you’re expected to condemn and distance yourself from them, even if just going through the motions.

  14. Jaladhi says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Here is another stupid person running the government. Muslims are happy that only such stupids win election.

    Muslims have been crying about being victims from the time of Mo/allah and they are still continuing it since it works well and world willfully believes their lies!

  15. Caroline says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    It is not supposed to be like this. The Mussulmen are not used to being called out in this way. We are expected to accept their quaint cultural practices, unquestioningly. Our society has been cowed into silence for so long they have become convinced that their victory will be an easy one. All they have to do is play the victim card some more and we will shut up. Europe is slowly waking up to what we face and even the politicians are getting a glimmer of reality. Those politicians must be silenced and put back in their boxes. After all, the grievance and victimhood ploy has always worked before, hasn’t it?

    • Georg says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:48 pm

      Talk about an entitled bunch… I can’t imagine where they came to expect so much.

      • Goat Pimp says

        Jul 24, 2015 at 4:31 pm

        Yes they are a bunch of wussies who can’t stop complaining.

  16. afrostreetwise says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Thats the muslim DNA-expertly twist
    Every situation no matter how offensive an islamic action ( like alshabaab mudering quarry workers) was in the first place. Here in kenya, just like in the west, no one dares point a fingure at moslems even after murders-always misguided extremists. Anyone who so much as hints at criticism is accused of hate speech(and they ensured the penaltyis extremely harsh just prior to enaction of our 2010 constitutiion to silence those who perceived the dangers of minority frendly clauses) or even threaten that the criticism might tear the country apart. And this from only 25%(maximum) of the population.. Be careful.

    • Georg says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 3:52 pm

      The longer the world puts off confronting anti-social Islamic doctrine and behavior the worse the future conflagration will be.

  17. noanoa says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    UK is sick & tired of muslims !!!!!

    • Goat Pimp says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      I agree and I would extend that to “the world is sick and tired of Muslims”

      Even Muslims are sick and tired of Muslims, after all they kill each other more than anyone else.

      Islam stinks.

  18. fido says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    Perhaps Cameron should take a different tact…INVITE the muslims to travel back to the middle east hellholes, with the understanding that there’ll be no returning. Could fewer muslims in the U.K. be a bad thing?

  19. mortimer says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Hussain said: “Most of these guys (jihadists) have fallen away (but ‘fallen’ from WHAT? not from JIHAD!) and what we need to do is to find a way of controlling the internet (oh, goody, control all thought as in Saudi Arabia) as that’s where the majority of brainwashing is taking place, not mosques”…no…absolutely no SUPREMACISM is taught in the mosque except for all the supremacism in the Koran and hadiths.

    Muslim youth are radicalizing one another. Either Hussain is unable to observe it or he is lying.

  20. mortimer says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    Clearly, Muslims are saying to the kafirs: “SHUT UP you dirty kafirs. We will deal with you.”

  21. mortimer says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    INTEGRATION? What integration?

    Koran (5:51) – “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend is one of them.”

    Such integration! It’s a call for APARTHEID.

    Apartheid is what Allah wants.

    • Angemon says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 8:52 pm

      Not apartheid, mortimer, colonization – muslims aren’t supposed to adopt the habits and culture of non-muslims, but they’re supposed to make them convert to islam and adopt the habits and culture of muslims.

  22. Edward says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Islamist extremism”: it’s in the Koran stupid!

    Koran: Muslim’s mythically inspired life playbook! (For good or evil endeavors)

    Allah: Muslim/Islam mythical god!

    Mohammad: A quasi-prophet/profiteer, Koran’s author!

    Sharia: Koran/man inspired compiled book of domestic and mythical judgmental laws

    Think about it folks? We have being confronted by a mind generated thought that has MANIFESTED into an “anti-social Islamic doctrine and [bad] behavior” monster for many centuries!

    “anti-social Islamic doctrine and behavior” – thanks to Georg says

    • Edward says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      There’s an antidote to rid of this manifested Islam-monster……by affirming orally that “This manifested Islam-monster does not exists!”

      “This manifested Islam-monster does not exist!”

      “This manifested Islam-monster does not exist!”

      “This manifested Islam-monster does not exist!” et cetera, et cetera, et cetera [—-]

  23. gerard says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Cameron you are a fool! You don’t realise that the snakes you are befriending want your head on their gate-post.

  24. jayell says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    Just a comment or two, particularly to Blackburn councillor Shaukut Hussain:-

    1. “LEADING East Lancashire Muslims say they are ‘sick and tired’ of Prime Minister David Cameron’s pronouncements on home-grown Islamist extremism…..” Perhaps these East Lancashire muslims should realise that the British Public are not only sick and tired of ‘home grown Islamist extremists’ per se but, quite frankly, of muslims generally, despite all the ‘tolerant’ propaganda in the Media. In fact, if the truth were known, a lot of people in that area were far, far happier when there were NO muslims in East Lancashire at all.

    2. Mr Cameron said that…” many (muslim) people born and raised in the UK don’t ‘identify with Britain and feel little or no attachment to other people here’….” As if it this wasn’t already blatantly obvious without Mr. Cameron having to say it! (Look at how they behave, dress, and what they say, look at their dubious track record!). However (wait for it!)……” Blackburn councillor Shaukut Hussain said every time this type of announcement was made the local Muslim community felt it had to defend itself…” So they don’t like their obvious shortcomings being pointed out? Perhaps they hoestly believe they don’t have any?They’re happy to leech off society but don’t think they should be held answerable to society for their conduct? They’re above criticism, are they?……

    .He said: “I think he (David Cameron) needs to be careful he does not want to isolate one community.”….Or perhaps the muslim community should be more careful how they behave, if that’s at all possible; and in any case they are doing a very good job of isolating themselves anyway. Perhaps it hasn’t occured to Councillor Hussain that there are many in the UK who would be very, very happy to see the ‘muslim community’ completely isolated, and not least amongst these would be 1,400 English girls in Rotherham.

    “We are British”…..Well, you’re clearly IN the UK, a lot of you were unfortunately born here, just like you seem to have acquired British passports, and you’re certainly making use of the facilities (not so sure about PAYING for them), but any claims of resemblance with the genuine article after that would be about as convincing as a Rolls Royce insignia glued to a clapped-out japanese moped.

    …”Personally I am sick and tired of having to defend Muslims and my community….” Well if they actually BEHAVED themselves properly, you wouldn’t have to, would you?

    ….”These extremists do not represent us…..” YOU ARE JOKING! Or perhaps you really mean they embarrass you?

    …..” I do not feel I have to defend the actions of these idiots”……You mean you CAN’T defend them without seriously prejudicing your own position. And you’re only calling them ‘idiots’ as a cheap means of distancing yourself from them, because they embarrass you.

    “Most of these guys have fallen away and what we need to do is to find a way of controlling the internet as that’s where the majority of brainwashing is taking place, not mosques, and I think he is wrong if he is trying to blame one community.”….So the internet is a more powerful influence than your mosques (that everyone religiously attends?) or your extended families and social fabric in general, and this would be your contention to explain the failure of your community to control its members? Can’t YOU and your families control your use of the internet? Or is this yet another piece of deceit to cover the subversive goings-on in your mosques, your families and your community.

    “…..Fellow councillor Salim Mulla said: “We are working our socks off to promote community integration….” HOW, exactly, and on whose terms? “…

    “…and he can’t keep bashing the Muslim community like this…” Oh yes he can if he feels he needs to, and he’s most certainly nOT the only one with this opinion. …

    “He needs to look at the grassroots level. Maybe his party is not that integrated but as far as I can see the community here is integrated.”…..Sorry, can’t make head nor tail of that. It sounds like completre inconsequential gibberish to me.

    “….Mr Cameron told an audience in Birmingham that those tempted to travel to Syria and Iraq should be convinced not to buy into the supposed ‘glamour’…… “You are cannon fodder for them. If you are a boy, they will brainwash you, strap bombs to your body and blow you up. If you are a girl, they will enslave and abuse you.”…….Why is Mr. Cameron telling them that YET AGAIN? We all know it, we’re sick of hearing it, it’s permanently in the media, any intellectually-challenged chimpanzee in London Zoo couid tell you this!

    …..”….Pendle Council leader Cllr Mohammed Iqbal said he did not understand what Mr Cameron was hoping to achieve. He said: “There’s a small minority who are not integrated….” (intergrated with WHAT?? What does ne mean by ‘integrated’??)….“I do not think his speech is going to help.”……..Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless. Mr Cameron is clearly preaching to the deaf or the intellectually ossified. Or both. He should just give up. It’s time for us all to give up

    Is there any chance that Messrs. Mulla,.Hussain and Iqbal are reading this? No?

    • Aardvark says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 6:42 am

      Jayell said:
      “He needs to look at the grassroots level. Maybe his party is not that integrated but as far as I can see the community here is integrated.”…..Sorry, can’t make head nor tail of that. It sounds like completre inconsequential gibberish to me.”

      This sounds to me like a veiled threat to withdraw mohammed votes from the Conservatives (Cameron’s lot). Mohammedans tend to vote in bloc, exactly how they are instructed at the mosque. In some areas it was found that the postal vote forms were collected in and completed centrally. So it is not an idle threat!

      • jayell says

        Jul 25, 2015 at 6:37 pm

        Quite frankly, since (as I have been given to understand) muslims were supposed to be opposed to ‘democracy’ they shouldn’t be voting at all!
        If what you say is correct (Mohammedans tend to vote in bloc, exactly how they are instructed at the mosque), and I have heard this sort of thing before, then serious questions should be asked about the whole ‘citizenship’ issue, since these muslims appear to be congenitally incapable of conforming with our entire social democratic system both in spirit and in practice. They are making themselves into a seriously destabilising and corrupting influence within the whole of UK society, and it hardly seems possible to maintain the long-term integrity of our established standards whilst they remain. It’s as if they’ve been granted ‘full club membership’ rights without first being properly vetted as being suitable for the status, and they’re now proving beyond all doubt that they are most certainly NOT the right material. In this situation, if the UK were a decent, self-respecting organisation with an eye to maintaining the integrity of its mission-statement and respecting the rights and sensibilities of its established members, these muslims would be properly investigated, found seriously wanting, and expelled. And those of us (or of THEM) who whine that ‘we can’t do that’ are spouting rubbish. Anything, but ANYTHING, is possible IF you have good grounds and the political will. Our muslim friends are effectively presenting us with their little ultimatum – ‘Bend your society to accommodate OUR standards, or we will collectively louse it up’. To which our response can only be to remind them that, in our neck of the woods, minorities do not dictate to majorities, and if they cannot take that on board and know their place, they will have to find a place for themselves elsewhere. And enforce it.

  25. rubiconrest says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Of course Cameron and similar politicians around the globe cannot spell out clearly what extremism is. They have allowed extremism in the form of sharia courts, radical preachers, turned a blind eye to rape gangs and polygamy. They have defined extremism too narrowly. They have allowed Islam to grow in their midst. They only see the rabbit’s teeth and not the whole rabbit. They think by removing a tooth they kill the rabbit but of course the rabbit lives and still has babies, many babies.

    • Aardvark says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 7:00 am

      More like rats than rabbits.

      Female rats are sexually mature at 5 weeks, and can have up to five litters of about 8 or 9 five times each year. They can live for up to three years.

      Rats are vermin that eat and damage vast amounts of human food, and contribute nothing but destruction, filth and disease.

      Sound familiar?

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 2:38 pm

      “Of course Cameron and similar politicians around the globe cannot spell out clearly what extremism is. ”

      That’s because the whole paradigm which depends upon the distinction between Extremism and Islam is flawed. There is no “extremism” separate from Islam. Islam is extremist — the whole kit & kaboodle.

      And where Muslims appear, various, myriad, diverse ways, to be non-extremist, that is not because they really are, but because either 1) circumstances beyond their control temporarily inhibit them from their natural Islamic appetite, and/or 2) they are pretending to be non-extremist through taqiyya deception to further the stealth jihad.

      The logic of this monumental, horrifying fact leads to a condemnation of all Muslims — something from which PC MCs viscerally recoil, while asymptotics feel psychologically torn, since they are far more open to the data that substantiate that fact, yet for psychological and cultural reasons which they share with the PC MCs, they often cannot “go there”.

      • Angemon says

        Jul 25, 2015 at 3:52 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “And where Muslims appear, various, myriad, diverse ways, to be non-extremist, that is not because they really are, but because either 1) circumstances beyond their control temporarily inhibit them from their natural Islamic appetite, and/or 2) they are pretending to be non-extremist through taqiyya deception to further the stealth jihad.”

        Huh, voeg, you do know that conversion to islam doesn’t test the convert’s knowledge of what islam teaches, right? People can convert thinking that it teaches one thing but leave once they find out what it teaches regarding non-muslims – and I believe Robert Spencer knows of such cases. I imagine that your reply will be some snide attempt at snark, probably trying to conflate “moderate muslims” with “muslims who don’t know their islam”, but that won’t address the point I raised.

        • Champ says

          Jul 25, 2015 at 4:08 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          People can convert thinking that it teaches one thing but leave once they find out what it teaches regarding non-muslims – and I believe Robert Spencer knows of such cases.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Indeed, Angemon.

          Recently on Jihad Watch, July 22, ’15, Robert posted a video interview from the Glazov Gang, where Jamie spoke to an ex-muslim, Mona Walters, as to why she left islam.

          During that interview Mona shared that it wasn’t until she actually read the quran and hadith did she fully realize the evil things that islam taught, and she explains her thoughts in more detail here:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/ex-muslim-mona-walter-rescuing-muslims-from-islam-on-the-glazov-gang#comments

  26. Baucent says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    Councillor Hussain said “I think he is wrong blaming one community.” (for home grown Islamic terrorism)

    So who should be blamed? The Jews? the Polish community? Just where is the terror threat coming out of? The muslim community. But muslims like Councillor Hussain don’t want to acknowledge that.

  27. sahani says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    99% muslims are local convert from each nation. Now all are braindead not ready to learn new things.Its shame we in east and west don’t show our disagreement and accept them as they are great .
    Last 1400 yrs history of all converts no one creates any thing good and pleasant but destroy what others make .

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 7:15 pm

      The mendacious sahani wrote:

      99% muslims are local convert from each nation.
      ………………………………………

      What crap–most Muslims in the West are originally from Dar-al-Islam, or their parents were. Western converts to Islam are fairly rare. Shaukut Hussein is no British convert.

      More:

      Now all are braindead not ready to learn new things.
      ………………………………………

      Really? Why would it be that *all* these “converts” misunderstand Islam–and misunderstand it in *exactly the same way*?

      Moreover, why is it that this “misunderstanding” follows *exactly* the texts and tenets of Islam, as well as the model of the “Prophet”?

      Further, how do explain violent Jihad in Dar-al-Islam itself? Really, this is pretty ham-fisted Taqiyya…

      More:

      Its shame we in east and west don’t show our disagreement and accept them as they are great .
      Last 1400 yrs history of all converts no one creates any thing good and pleasant but destroy what others make .
      ………………………………………

      In other words, the *whole of Islamic history* is “un-Islamnic”? That’s a good one–try it on your fellow Muslims and see how well it goes over…

  28. sahani says

    Jul 24, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    99% of all muslims are local converts . these converts refuse togged educated .Its time east nd west should not accept their cruel thinking and acts

    • Western Canadian says

      Jul 24, 2015 at 11:24 pm

      90% of muslims are born to muslim parents…. Converts are much, much fewer in number, and convert of out fear (murdered if unwilling to ‘convert’), or ignorance, or the wish for approval of their criminal behaviour.

    • b.c.terry says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 1:03 pm

      “99% of all local converts”

      That’s the kind of ludicrous b.s. where muslims show the true colours of islam.

      It only helps to confirm how the Western World is far more superior to islam.

      Oil and water will never mix.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      The meretricious sahani wrote:

      99% of all muslims are local converts . these converts refuse togged educated .Its time east nd west should not accept their cruel thinking and acts
      ……………………………………

      What crap. Western “reverts” to Islam are fairly rare. Would this Taqiyya artist have us believe that Shaukut Hussein is some English Yobbo?

      Good luck with that…

      The fact is that Muslims always wage violent Jihad, and then always whine about Infidels taking issue with it. This is absolutely typical Mohammedan behavior.

      And why not? Under Shari’ah law, no Kuffar is allowed to complain about Muslim violence, unless they want more of the same.

  29. Kasey says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 3:18 am

    No one wants to specifically verbally bash Muslims at all. They can’t actually help the way they think and are, due to their indoctrination. But they do need to recognize that the Medina texts from the Koran and others are the basis of terror and radicalization and while they remain in use Islamic terror will always continue. The internet now provides an uncontrolable source of it.So our Western politicians need to get fair dinkum about the Islamic threat to the World.

  30. medaber_emet says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 4:57 am

    if the christians english want to win the civil war
    they need to start it right now
    the muslim population is growing
    the christians population is decreasing
    ten years from today it will be too late
    it is so sad and scary to see how all Europe is converted to islam
    and even the once great america has fallen like a ripe fruit into the hands of the fucking muslims.
    i am reluctant to belive that you all face an extinction and you are so calm and relaxed and keep this politically correct and not throwing it into the garbage.
    you have to ban islam and kick out all the fucking muslims .
    this is the only way to save the free world from that knife of the muslims

    • duh_swami says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 6:46 am

      Why is the defeat of Islam only a Christian responsibility?
      Allah is at war with all kufr, not just the Christian part…

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Jul 26, 2015 at 4:01 am

        Excellent point!

  31. particolor says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 6:15 am

    Fair FN Dinkum, I think England is Shagged ! I there a Councillor left in the place named John Smith or something other than a Mohomadeerian ? How could Cameron get that close and listen to all that Takiyya ?
    “We are working our socks off to promote Community Integration ”
    “We are British ” Yeah Right !
    You’ll have Sharia Law before Christmas at this rate ! NO ! Wait a minute Christmas is Banned ! 🙁

  32. duh_swami says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 6:54 am

    Poor Dave…’he can fool some of the people some of the time, but can’t fool all the people all the time’…The elite lie out of their mouths, nose and ears, and sometimes from the rear…that’s where, ‘O what a tangled web we weave…’ comes into play…
    The more they talk the less sense they make…

  33. logdon says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 7:48 am

    To be fair to Cameron he’s had the uphill battle not only with the Muslims themselves but councils, NGO’s, the BBC, ITV, Channel Four, the Guardian, acaedemia and the rest.

    He’s already had a Muslim Minister, Sayeeda Warsi, walk out because he wouldn’t toe her line on Israel.

    And looking at the other lot, remember the ones once headed by Blair, who are now seriously thinking of voting in a leader, Jeremy Corbyn who is a vile anti-Semite Muslim lover who would love to see Israel wiped off the map.

    We are gradually climbing out of this mire and attitudes are hardening.

    Meanwhile the rest of Europe is still pandering.

    Je Suis Charlie was a classic toothless and symbolic reaction, all mouth and no action. Sweden is heading for self immolation. Italy is submerged by illegals from across the Med.

    And so it goes on.

    Lets face it, this charade is universal with Obama as head imam.

  34. logdon says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 8:16 am

    This nails it quite well.

    Britain’s Irreconcilable Policy on Islam

    by Douglas Murray
    July 25, 2015 at 5:00 am
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6218/britain-islam

    And an extract.

    A few days later, Britain’s Prime Minister, David Cameron, gave his best speech to date on the threat of Islamic extremism at home and abroad. In that speech, the Prime Minister defined the challenge that Islamic extremism poses to Britain’s way of life and cohesion as a society. He outlined the problem better than perhaps any other Western leader to date:

    “What we are fighting, in Islamist extremism, is an ideology. It is an extreme doctrine. And like any extreme doctrine, it is subversive. At its furthest end, it seeks to destroy nation-states to invent its own barbaric realm. And it often backs violence to achieve this aim… mostly violence against fellow Muslims — who don’t subscribe to its sick worldview.

    But you don’t have to support violence to subscribe to certain intolerant ideas which create a climate in which extremists can flourish. Ideas which are hostile to basic liberal values such as democracy, freedom and sexual equality. Ideas which actively promote discrimination, sectarianism and segregation.”

    What he’s doing here is moving along from the old, they have to commit a violent act before we can judge, to a wider sphere in which the hate spewing imams are now on the radar.

    And he’s naming Islam which is a far cry from Obama who will not tolerate any connection.

    Having said that, we’re still in the foothills. The PC orthodoxy ruled for far too long and when our national broadcaster is so feeble in our national defence and autocratic in its promotion of ‘diversity’ its an uphill battle.

    • voegelinian says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 2:15 pm

      “And he’s naming Islam which is a far cry from Obama who will not tolerate any connection.”

      Not quite. He doesn’t mention Islam — he mentions that fantasy creation invented by modern Western PC MCs — “Islamist extremism” — which in the same breath he distinguishes from the Islam of “fellow Muslims — who don’t subscribe to its sick worldview.”

      This is the same old bullshit, the same old TMOE meme (Tiny Minority of Extremists) we’ve been hearing for well nigh 15 years. And we’re going to keep hearing it, unless the growing nucleus of the Counter-Jihad stops settling for less, praising every meager asymptotic crumb that falls from the Mainstream Table down to the floor where we skulk and cower in our mendicant rags.

  35. epistemology says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Of course Ca-moron’s speech didn’t help. Sucking up to muzzies never helps. But even that light criticism – it doesn’t deserve the word criticism – is too much for our sensitive muzzies. They always feel victimised when they abuse others.

  36. BC says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Of course they cannot accept that we (non Muslims) are sick and tired of their demands and posture of superiority and out spoken desire for sharia to be the law of the land that has given them a higher standard of living than they could ever have ‘back home’. We are also sick and tired of their tacit approval or at least silence about the atrocities of IS and its satellites

  37. Adam says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    It may be true that the number of Muslims in Britain is growing, but it only grows out of immigration and the fact that they breed with no thought to how they will pay for all the children they have (i see muslimas daily, with thier brood , obviously not at work – with the husband ten steps in front ). It is certainly not through converts that thier number grows, as some Muslims would laughably have you believe. They are happy to use benefits to pay for all thier children and their homes because it is closest thing to the Jizya right now. And of course a burden to the kuffar. Remember though that thier overall number is still very small (less than 4m from a nation of over 64m). Also, it is true that the numbers of Christians are shrinking and the church is in a panic. But that does not mean that Muslims are magically outnumbering every other demographic. Far from it. The fact is that Britain is predominantly a nation of non believers – of any faith. They may , some of them state on a form, C of E, but will never visit a church other than to marry or go to a funeral. When pressed most say they do not believe in a God. So the good news is, the Muslims have a long way to go before any dream of a British islamic state. Best of all it is Atheists , (along with polytheists) they despise the most. Abd of course Atheists like myself are the greatest opponents to thier (or any other religious ) ideology. If their numbers ever get big enough that they ‘ make a move ‘ they will find themselves up against a foe that is fundamentally opposed to them, educated to their doctrine and tactics and as we have always been, proud of our nation, culture and heritage and we shall as always fight fiercely to defend it. They will have a huge surprise.

    • Billy Wright says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 6:29 pm

      Sorry, but Atheism is no match for Islam.

      It is literally nothing and Atheists have nothing in common other than their belief that there is no God.

      Atheists will crumble before the Islamic juggernaut and the only hope for Western civilisation is that as a society we can rediscover the Christianity that made the West what it is and resisted, then faced down the Islamic hordes for centuries.

    • gravenimage says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      Adam wrote:

      If their numbers ever get big enough that they ‘ make a move ‘ they will find themselves up against a foe that is fundamentally opposed to them, educated to their doctrine and tactics and as we have always been…
      ………………………..

      With all respect, Adam, Muslims have been making their move for quite some time now–increasingly over the past fifteen years.

      And I know many Atheists who are just as clueless as many Jews and Christians about Islam. I have no doubt that many Atheists are patriots, but many still have to learn that Islam presents an existential threat to *all of us*. Good luck to you in spreading the word.

  38. jewdog says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    Cameron better watch his step. One false word implying that Islam itself might be the problem and he could (he would!) find himself receiving death threats and have to go into hiding. Maybe he knows about Geert Wilders and has decided to be discreet. Either that, or he really is a naive fool.

  39. Doug says

    Jul 25, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    Cameron always looks like he is sucking lemons. Does he not have another facial expression he can use, such as one that says, “I am an idiot for listening to these idiots,” or “Is this idiot for real?”

    • particolor says

      Jul 25, 2015 at 10:35 pm

      Its more of the look of someone thinking ( What’s this Bullshit ) but what can I do about it ?

  40. medaber_emet says

    Jul 26, 2015 at 6:44 am

    Cameron is a chicken shit and now there is nothing he can do to in order to stop the accelerated islamization of England towars the civil war
    you should watch some of Paul Weston videos

  41. Steven says

    Jul 26, 2015 at 7:18 am

    I’m really (very) sick and tired of the muslim’s excuses, demands and bullshits.

    David Cameron is a spineless PM. We need a lot more Geert Wilders!!!!!

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