No one in his or her right mind would take a vacation to Tunisia now. Jihad could end up destroying Tunisia’s economy, while the same jihad force that struck in Tunisia has called numerous times for strikes in Western countries. The economic devastation all this wreaks worldwide is incalculable.
“‘Highly likely’ terrorist attack risk spurs London to tell Brits to quit Tunisia; tourism plummets,” AP, July 10, 2015:
LONDON – The British government on Thursday told all U.K. tourists to leave Tunisia because a terrorist attack is “highly likely” and the North African country’s government has not done enough to enhance security.
The Foreign Office advised against all but essential travel to Tunisia, a popular holiday destination for Britons. It said British tourists on package holidays should contact their travel agents, which will arrange flights to bring them home.
Thirty-eight tourists, 30 of them British, were killed on June 26 when a gunman stormed the Tunisian beach resort of Sousse. In March, 22 people died in an attack at the National Bardo Museum outside Tunis.
“While we do not have any information suggesting a specific or imminent threat, since the attack in Sousse the intelligence and threat picture has developed considerably leading us to the view that a further terrorist attack is highly likely,” British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said.
In a statement, his office said the travel advice had been changed because “we do not believe the mitigation measures in place provide adequate protection for British tourists in Tunisia.”
On Saturday, more than a week after the Sousse attack, Tunisian authorities announced a state of emergency and enacted new security measures such as sending more than 1,300 security forces to patrol hotels, beaches and other tourist sites.
Hammond, speaking on the sidelines of talks about Iran’s nuclear program in Vienna, said British authorities were in close contact with tour operators, who were arranging to get their customers home “as quickly as possible.”
“To those traveling independently, our advice is to return on commercial flights which are operating normally,” he added….
No Fear says
Jihad, ruining an economy near you today.
Allah is all knowing and all wise..
particolor says
Of the Beast ER ! Best of People
Westman says
I’m reminded of an old song:
See the pyramids along the Nile
Watch the sunset on a tropic isle
Just remember darlin’ all the while
You belong to me
See the market place in Old Algiers
Send me photographs and souvenirs
Just remember when a dream appears
You belong to me
It doesn’t seem so romantic anymore…..
Henry Page says
It is terribly sad for many people. In my own family, for example, I can no longer take my children (I am British and their mother is Moroccan) to see their relatives in Morocco as the risk is just too great. I loved my weeks and sometimes months in North Africa, ten, twenty, thirty years ago. It wasn’t like this in those days. North Africa is beautiful beyond belief but the post-modern Muslim is ruining it, trying to fit 6th century theologic to a 21st century world.
Michael Copeland says
“Islam offers no answers to the questions of modern life.”
Hamed Abdel Samad, Germany
son of Egyptian imam
awake says
The “post-modern” Muslim you are referring to is misleading. While it may be true that during Islam’s historical ebbing and flowing in terms of power and influence, allowed for a better time in North Africa, in your estimation, that is merely happenstance. The “post-modern” Muslim jihadist is eerily similar to Muhammad and the original Muslims. Similar in their piety and duty to Allah, and unadulterated in their sheer barbarity.
You would be far more accurate to note this obvious comparative similarity, than to explain the current world wide Muslim malaise as a recent phenomena attributable to the “post-modern” Muslim.
mortimer says
Mohammed used ECONOMIC SABOTAGE to weaken his enemies so he could rob them and use their money to destroy them.
Muslims created the Dark Ages by filling the Mediterranean with JIHADI-PIRATES.
Islam uses fear to create failure and dysfunction.
Baucent says
The BBC was reporting today that there are still 3,500 British citizens on holiday in Tunisia. Are they in their “right mind”?
Charli Main says
Sadly, Baucent, some 2.7 Muslims are ” British ” citizens or to be more correct, just hold British passports as a tool of convenience.
Unlike most other immigrant communities in the UK, these Muslims have no loyalty to Britain or respect for the British way of life. They are Muslims first, last and all points in between.
Henry Page says
It is probably not the case that all Muslims think this way. As an ex-Muslim and married to a N. African, I know that many Muslims are as reviled by this as we are. The problem is with a large body of Muslims, they believe in the supremacy of Islam, that it will take over the world. Those people what can only be described as tunnel vision for Islam: they don’t even mind dying for Islam because of the absurd virgin thing and the fact that they will be ‘shaheed’, special in the eyes of Allah. The fact that it is all hopeless gobbledegook is not in their thinking. Those people will slowly inspire others and that will trickle down to others too. What the percentage split is between radical and moderate Muslims I don’t know, but if there is an intra-Muslim confrontation, the vile words of the Qur’an and the threats as have already been seen by IS in Syria and Iraq, will subdue and tyrannise the others into submssion – the true meaning of Islam.
awake says
I do not at all subscribe your assertion of the trickle-down theory that “moderate” or ex-Muslims will eventually inspire Islam out of existence. In addition, patiently waiting for an internal reformation of Islam that will most assuredly never happen, precisely due because of what you stated about the “radical” Muslims, is nothing more than a wiiful path to global suicide.
In fact, I think you have it entirely backwards. “Radical” Muslims are the normative ones, pious and true to the doctrine of Islam. Their will cannot and will not be overcome by these fictional “moderates”. Never.
The only truly dependable “moderate” Muslim is an ex-Muslim.
Henry Page says
@Awake
Please read my post again: I did not say that ““moderate” or ex-Muslims will eventually inspire Islam out of existence”. I mentioned “those people”, they being the ones who want nothing but Islam. It is their trickle down effect that radicalises more moderate Muslims. When the mass is sufficient to subdue the remaining, peaceful, moderate Muslims, then we will know about it. I am afraid you have it backwards in the way that you have read what I wrote.
awake says
Henry,
Thanks for the clarification. Indeed It was a misread as to who “those people” were on my part. That said, I am interested in your moderate versus radical percentage split assumption, even though you said you don’t know. The slow trickle, from your comment, is a move towards piety. The only other option is apostasy as your comment alludes that a move to moderation is not possible.
Henry Page says
@Awake
For Islam to accept change from within they would have to reject the word of Allah: everyone knows that is not possible. Allah’s ‘revelation’ of the Qur’an to Muhammad was his final one. Moderate Muslims will doubtless try to call for change but the hardliners will simply deem them heretics and start murdering them. It really is like something out of Monty Python’s Life of Brian, or should I say Life of Brahim.
awake says
Indeed. So our only hope is the “moderate”, (lapsing), Muslim’s journey towards apostasy.
Henry Page says
It is my belief that we will see an increasing number of Muslims taking the apostatic route because they won’t be able to fit the ghastly ‘perfect word of god’ into their quite reasonable psyche. I have given two quotes from the Qur’an on this comment board. With words of violence such as those, what hope is there? It cannot be excused by quoting the OT as no one practises the OT, well there might be a handful of cranks. Unfortunately, the model of the Qur’an was frozen for eternity after the closing of the Gates of Ijtihad, around 400 hijra (900AD) when it was felt all possible questions had been answered, hence the deadlock.
Don Foss says
Henry asks, “What the percentage split is between radical and moderate Muslims.” No…the question is what percentage follow their religion and what percentage ignores huge swaths of it. The ones who follow it are the “good” Muslims in the eyes of Allah and Muhammed: members and supporters of ISIS, Boko Haram, al Queda, al Shabaab, and dozens of other pious Islamist organizations…and just flat-out dangerous to us all. As for the others, they can turn at any time. So in a nutshell, every Muslim is dangerous.
Henry Page says
Absolutes mean you have hopelessly generalised. Try looking for the Ahmadiyya Muslims – they are classed as heretics by Salafists and the like, but they are 100% peaceful: they don’t believe in violence.
Angemon says
Henry Page posted:
“Try looking for the Ahmadiyya Muslims – they are classed as heretics by Salafists”
Because they do not recognize muhammad as the last prophet.
“and the like, but they are 100% peaceful: they don’t believe in violence.”
That’s not true. They claim violent, offensive, jihad is not necessary if they live in a nation where they’re free to practice their religion, but they don’t exclude “defensive” (and what constitutes an attack is a fluid concept in islam) jihad. They also share the same endgame as their correligionists who deem them heretics: imposition of sharia law upon non-muslims, with all that entails (stonings, chopping of limbs, death penalty for apostasy, etc) – they just prefer to go about it in a non-violent fashion.
Ahamadia are what, 20, 30 million worldwide? Like you remarked, they’re seen as heretics – they’re not representative of islam anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church is representative of Christianity.
TheBuffster says
I don’t think it’s accurate to say that every Muslim is dangerous. There are those who, because of their own personal character, would *never* turn to jihad, but would rather apostasize instead, once they face that fact that Islam really isn’t compatible with individual rights or peace. If they finally have to choose, they’ll chose the side of civilization. They aren’t dangerous.
The problem for us is that *we can’t read minds*.
Henry Page says
@Angemon
“Ahmadiyya (/ɑːməˈdiʲə/;[1] officially the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community or the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at; Arabic: الجماعة الإسلامية الأحمدية, transliterated: al-Jamā’ah al-Islāmiyyah al-Aḥmadiyyah) is an Islamic religious movement founded in British India near the end of the 19th century.[2][3] It originated with the life and teachings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908), who claimed to have fulfilled the prophecies of the world’s reformer during the end times, who was to herald the eschaton as predicted in the traditions of various world religions and bring about the final triumph of Islam as per Islamic prophecy. He claimed that he was the Mujaddid (divine reformer) of the 14th Islamic century, the promised Messiah and Mahdi awaited by Muslims.[4][5][6][7] The adherents of the Ahmadiyya movement are referred to as Ahmadi Muslims or simply Ahmadis.
Ahmadi thought emphasizes the belief that Islam is the final dispensation for humanity as revealed to Muhammad and the necessity of restoring to it its true essence and pristine form, which had been lost through the centuries.[8] Ahmadiyya adherents believe that Ahmad appeared in the likeness of Jesus, to end religious wars, condemn bloodshed and reinstitute morality, justice, and peace. They believe that upon divine guidance he divested Islam of fanatical and innovative beliefs and practices by championing what is, in their view, Islam’s true and essential teachings as practised by Muhammad and the early Islamic community.[9] Thus, Ahmadis view themselves as leading the revival and peaceful propagation of Islam.
Wikipedia
Angemon says
Henry, that doesn’t detract from anything I’ve said. Ahamadi are a minority, reviled as heretics by mainstream sects of islam, and they only reject the need to wage offensive jihad if the going is good for them. They don’t differ in their endgame: imposition of sharia law with all it entails – stonings, chopping of limbs, etc.
Pardon me for not sharing your enthusiam just because they want to go about it non-violently rather than in ISIS fashion.
Henry Page says
I understand that, but not all Muslims are the same by any standard, and the likelihood of all Muslims becoming jihadists is simply not feasible. Many Muslims have become apostates for example. The problem is always that the lead always seems to be taken by radical Islamist. Certainly the future does not look good.
Angemon says
Henry Page posted:
“Many Muslims have become apostates for example.”
Islam is not the only influence in their lives, particularly in muslims raised in the West. From what I’ve read of apostates, those who apostatize do so because they’re allowed to get to know other ideologies and ways of living unrelated to islam and can’t come to terms with what islam claims to be (a perfect religion coming straight from a divinity whose names include “merciful”) and what is mandates (hatred of other people based on their religion, perpetual warfare, etc) – and that’s without even mentioning the deeds of muhammad.
Frankly, Afghanistan and Iraq were missed opportunities. The approval of sharia-compliant constitutions by the “Coalition of the Willing” meant that the blood, sweat, tears and resources expended in bringing down despotic regimes was nothing more than an exercise in futility.
Don Foss says
Sorry, Henry. They’re apostates. Ask any Sunni or Shia. Nice try though.
JIMJFOX says
NOPE! There are many other Islamic hell-holes supported by unthinking toursists.
Maldives, Bali, Zanzibar…. people SO dumbly ignorant of what goes on in these places
they almost invite disaster.
Phil says
Er, mate…sorry to be pedantic, but Bali is Hindu. The people there are definitely not fans of the Dar ul- Islam, even if they are, however uncomfortably, part of the Republic of Indonesia. The rest of the Bumiputra can go lose themselves, but I have time for the Balinese.
Zanzibar and the Maldives and the Seychelles are all Islamic pest-holes and the West should boycott them on principle – Zanzibar above all, given its abominable record in treating Christians. But what else can you expect of a population that converts to Islam at the very site of one of the greatest slave entrepots in East Africa?
Don Foss says
Phil, you would like “Into Africa,” by Martin Dugard. Great book about Stanley and Livingston, but so much also about Zanzibar and the Arab slave trade and what Muslim slave traders did to the peoples of Central Africa. .
Henry Page says
Some help:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8711026.stm
WellDone says
It’s seems considerably more insane to continue to allow Islam to come to Britain, and to allow it to essentially colonize, rather than join British society, that it does to vacation in a country where Brits have been vacationing for generations.
The vacationing is normal. The colonization of Britain by hostile aliens who enjoy free food, clothing, and shelter, is not.
It makes a lot more sense to legalize gun training for Brits, and to allow those who qualify to own long guns of any kind. Further training and screening would allow successful candidates to carry a concealed gun. Minimum requirements could be: second-generation Brit citizen, over 21, had a job for a least 6 months.
particolor says
And not afraid to eat a Bacon Butty for lunch !! 🙂
And checked that not wearing ISIS Flag Underpants ! 🙂
Gufo says
Of course the threats are higher than ever… how many concessions has UK made to muslims? This is how it works: the more you allow islam to take over, the more it will! Is it so difficult to understand? How about for every Brit leaving Tunisia, a muslim leaves UK?
particolor says
3,500 Positions Vacant on the British Welfare ! No perks ! They were all cancelled when the previous Muslim Dole Bludger went home 🙂
Henry Page says
Verse (8:12) – English Translation
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Ian H says
Verse (8:12) – Really Modern Urban English Translation.
“So God tol’ me an’ the angels: Us believers gotta stick together right. ‘Cause he’s gonna scare those other people shitless so’s we can chop off their heads and fingers with my machete.”
Henry Page says
That’s about it I suppose … what always alarms me is how thinkers in the West can ‘turn a blind eye’ to the horrifically violent verses in the Qur’an when calling it ‘The Religion of Peace’.
TheBuffster says
The Koran. Such a fun read. 😛
Peggy says
Are there still some tourists over there? Unbelievable.
If they are stupid enough to stay there after the first attack they deserve to be blown up. Just nature culling the stupid and the weak.
What is it going to take to get through to some people? These morons are too dangerous to us as well because they still trust Muslims.
Aardvark says
“No one in his or her right mind would take a vacation to Tunisia now.”
Or any other mohammedan country.
Don Foss says
Look…it’s just not safe to be around Muslims, period. Your neighbor seems like a nice guy and waves to you every morning? Any day, maybe a day after a cartoon appears in a European newspaper or he watches some video from ISIS…BAM! Snap! Muzzies goes Islamist and no infidel is safe. If a person follows Islam and the teachings of Muhammed, he is inherently dangerous. And the more religious a Muslim is, the more dangerous he becomes.
Henry Page says
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Qur’an 5:33
Don Foss says
Muhammed was a warlord dictator, a mass murdering thug, a pedophile, a pimp, a thief, a wife-beater, and a megolomaniac liar. We all know it. The worst thing in histopry that didn’t happen was Muhammed being strangled at birth.
Henry Page says
I quite agree with you, life is not fair, that is why the Prophet Muhammad was reincarnated as Jimmy Savile.
Michael Copeland says
I discovered horrible things.
When you read the life of Mohammed – I was shocked.
Waleed al Husseini, former muslim, at 3.41
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2015/07/an-interview-with-waleed-al-husseini.html
Joe Shmo says
I was on holiday as a teenager with my family in Tunisia and a young guy tried to buy my sister. I thought he was joking so I played along with him. When I realised he wasn’t, I think he offered me camels, I told him that we don’t do that where I’m from. Needless to say, he got very angry. I didn’t understand this attitude or where it came from, but I do now. That wasn’t the only unpleasant experience I had in a Muslim country and from reading comments from people who’ve had to work in these backward countries it’s not unusual.
Don Foss says
Nearly eight years. What a learning experience. Made a lot of money though doing things Arabs didn’t know how to do and were too lazy and dumb to learn.
voegelinian says
“No one in his or her right mind would take a vacation to Tunisia now.”
Nor ever. And that goes for all the other polities that belong to the Dar-al-Islam (which, apparently according to Angemon and Philllip Jihadski, doesn’t geographically exist).
Henry Page says
Of course the Dar Al-Islam exists. It comprises the Muslim lands. The remainder of the world is the Dar Al-harb … The House of War!
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“(which, apparently according to Angemon and Philllip Jihadski, doesn’t geographically exist)”
This is more of voeg’s vicious slanders against myself and PJ. We never denied that dar-al-islam existed, we simply pointed out it’s the name given to anywhere where muslims are allowed to practice their region freely (iroically, that would include Western countries). It is NOT an internationally recognized sovereign state (like, for example, the US, or Canada, or France), like voeg implied – try going to a travel agency and say “hi, I’d like a ticket to dar-al-islam” and see how far that takes you.
Kepha says
As a former US Consular officer (service in Thailand and China), I’m not surprised by Her Majesty’s Government’s warning to its citizens (subjects?) in Tunisia. Checking a country’s pulse to see if it’s safe for one’s nationals to visit is one of the standing missions of any consular section. Hence, if Country X is full of some highly contagious loathsome disease, terrorism, utterly ineffective law enforcement, enemy invasion, or whatever, your country’s consular section in Country X had better issue a travel advisory (that’s what we Yanks call them: I don’t know what UK terminology is).
Henry Page: I read your comments with interest. While I’ve never traveled in core Islamic areas, I did get to know something of Muslim minorities in China, Thailand, and Taiwan (where I taught English for a good many years, met my wife, and started my family). I concur that “Islam” covers a wide variety of attitudes–although being a Christian, I hold no candle for Islamic theology. and certainly do not believe that Muhammad ibn Abdallah of 7th century Mecca was a prophet.
David says
And where should they go? Another attack is also highly likely in suicidal Britainistan? Where is an attack or another attack not highly likely?
Do not dare to admit the problem. The more transparent it becomes, the more it spreads and the more ferocious it becomes, the only sane approach is for the more zealously the far-to-extreme left (Cameron, Obama and co.) should mitigate against this transparent truth.
Don Foss says
South America.
torino390 says
Not sure I could relax on my sun lounger ‘protected’ by an armed guard. Doesn’t sound like a good way to unwind on vacation to me.
My friends are off to Turkey this coming Friday, not sure what the situation is there. We ourselves are off to Menorca in September, again, will this island be considered ‘safe’?
The economies of these places will suffer massively, the knock-on effect is immense. Not only do these idiots have no respect for westerners, but they obviously have no respect for their own countries either.
particolor says
You should be roughly Half Safe if You have been Radicalized before Departure and changed your name to Mohammed ! 🙂
Henry Page says
They are hell bent on ridding the Dar Al-Islam of what they consider to be ‘tagheet’ sysytems of governance, so-called rogue governments that have more resemblance to a Western system than an Islamic one. The only effective response to this is Western nations being committed to eradicating this menace in whatever way they deem fit: military action, training compliant military in ‘tagheet’ lands, using the media and so on.
The extremists have no respect for these governments or those who aid them, such as the security services, military or police in those countries. They only respect Islam and believe that the the only law is Allah’s law, hence they do not even support the Human Rights Act.
TheBuffster says
Torino, the jihadis don’t care about worldly things like healthy economies. And they only respect Allah, Mohammed, Paradise and Hell. They don’t want kafir tourists. They don’t care about the money the tourists spend. The tourists bring the corruption of the West into Muslim lands.
Matthieu Baudin says
Virtually all tourist resorts are vulnerable to this type of carnage. It’s possible to abandon a country like Tunisia and leave it to its fate but it isn’t as easy to keep up the pretence of being a ‘safe country’ when this sort of thing happens on home turf – something that the 10th anniversary of the U.K. bus bombings ought to make clear.