This morning one of the ex-generals was commenting on Fox RINO about the need to reach out (as in “out-reach”) to Moslem communities to solve this problem. He complimented the Islamic Society of Greater Chattanooga for condemning the Jihad mass murder operation, and made the fantastic claim that 99.99% of Moslems are abhorred at what happened. I think a more realistic guess would be somewhere around, oh, 10% to 15% of Moslems who abhorred the operation, and they are apostates who by Allah are to be executed when found out. The ex-general and a lawyer (the pompous little bald guy) earlier in the morning made fallacious claim that the statements by terror-linked CAIR and the Greater Chatanooga are unprecedented. Yeah. When it comes to Moslems, these clowns should be very careful when throwing about the word unprecedented.
Best to leave it at the “debate” about whether Prez Barack Hussein should make the linkage between the Holy Islam and the Global Jihad, and that he should concede to fantasies that “militant Islamists” and “radical Islam” (the personal fave of Hannity) are involved in the mass murder operations happening across the globe.
Georgsays
That’s there’s any arguing about the terrorist reality of the attack is really only an indication of our perverted state of affairs where none can speak terrorism’s name. So predictably, the President and Administration minimize the act of war by the “lone gunman”. It’s all about as “random” as the Hyper Cacher shootings. But obviously different from the Chapel Hill shootings where the President immediately stated, paraphrasing, “No one should be murdered because of how they worship.”
What a legacy that he’d make it difficult for us and easier for terrorists and Islamists. Bravo.
Jaladhisays
THese talking heads in the media, whether CNN or Fox, have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Islam. As Reagan said, “there you go again”. I don’t know what is the word to describe these people – stupid, naive, liars, hypocrites… or everything combined!!
They certainly are clueless when dealing Islam!! And that happens when you don’t want to tell the truth, I think they don’t even know the truth about Islam!!
mortimersays
Alarmed wrote: “99.99% of Moslems abhor what happened.”
In fact, opinion surveys reveal 15% of Muslims SUPPORT terrorism. Another 30% ‘somewhat’ support terrorism.
Probably, about 1 or 2 Muslims per 7,000 ARE ACTIVE TERRORISTS or are PLANNING
Jaladi wrote: “They (our political leaders) certainly are CLUELESS when dealing Islam!!
They haven’t done their homework, but still present themselves as experts. They are NOT EVEN beginners in the study of Islam.
This is unacceptable. We deserve better than this and we must write to them and demand it.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
We’ve had this debate before, Mort. The questions asked in opinion surveys are malleable. The answers given in response to them are guided at the least, and are frequently outright lies.
I forget the term Fitzgerald uses to describe how the contents of the Holy Ko-Ran spill out into the minds of Moslems who’ll never read it, but absorb its key concepts by growing up in Dar al-Islam or in a Moslem family in Dar al-Harb. Don’t have time to root through his past essays to dig that term up, but it’s a key concept to understanding how Islam works, and to understanding the “results” of these so-called objective opinion polls administered on Moslems.
Jaladhisays
I maintain all of them support terrorism since it is simply jihad (in their minds) and which holy to them!! You show me a Muslim denying jihad and I will show you an apostate!!
So all these polls asking Muslims if they support terrorism or not are useless as they will never give any truthful reply!!
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
THese talking heads in the media, whether CNN or Fox, have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Islam.
I think they at least have a clue, even if only a vague gnawing in the back of their minds. Shown enough repetitions, a four year old could surmise that there is a root cause to the pattern, and that it’s not a perversion of something that is somehow misunderstood.
Misunderstanding is always implied, even by the likes of Sean Hannity who sells himself as a brave truth teller. But for some reason, they *never* go into the particulars of why and how Islam is misunderstood. We here in this blog know the reason: it’s *not* being misunderstood. If nothing else, Islam is crystal clear.
But we dare not even hint at admitting to ourselves this self evident truth, for that would be go against our ideals of modern civilization.
Thus, the hundreds of airtime hours spent this week on “analyzing” what must be done to stop this is really a jawboning exercise to fill minutes on the TV screen. Bottom line, the only solution is to have no Moslems. Either that, or accept reduced freedom as a trade off. We are accelerating down the latter course.
The “debate” about whether we should call this “radical Islam” is surreal, ridiculous and self-defeating. We should call it what it is, yes that is so true and such an emergency truth, we should and must call it “Islam” plain and simple, with no modifying adjective. From there would come the analysis, explanations and understanding.
Georgsays
“I forget the term Fitzgerald uses to describe how the contents of the Holy Ko-Ran spill out into the minds of Moslems who’ll never read it.”
I sometimes think of this as “cultural Islam”. Many of their behaviors and prejudices are a result of their cultural milieu and not a result of Koranic learning per se.
Shanesays
It is a myth that most Muslims are moderate; most Muslims like Sharia law and want to enforce Islamic blasphemy laws.
Michael Copelandsays
They have no option: sharia is not available to be wanted or not wanted, liked or not liked. As Fouad Belkacem of Sharia4Belgium said, “Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia: they are the same.” The Koran, part of Islamic law, says:
“It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision:” (33:36)
mortimersays
Excellent analysis. Thanks. Quotable.
Alarmed Pig Farmersays
Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia: they are the same.
Yup, Islam is a unitary belief system. It has no seams in its corpus and offers no forks in the road. As the Holy Ko-Ran states in The Opening, “Show us the straight path.” That’s Allah talking right there, and he ain’t throwing out options.
In other words, the Holy Ko-Ran ain’t a “living document” like John Roberts’ U.S. Constitution.
duh_swamisays
Roberts appearances should be more than brief. He’s one of the few you see on TV that actually knows what he is talking about…
Grntonpntsays
Does someone here know the exact date of the million muslim march to protest against their fellow religonists who are getting islam all wrong? And does anyone know where I can find a mosque that has orograms for their youth that teaches against the violant form of the religion of peace? How many of the moderate muslims filed into their local mosques in large numbers to pray to allah for the souls of the infidels marines that were killed in Tenn.?
his name wasn’t pokeroot either but he was certainly hoping to get to pokeroot paradise to escape this cruel world .. maybe with a side of pearly boys… or so his tweets reveal..
Don Fosssays
One single and simple word describes this imam’s rhetoric, and the rhetoric of almost all Muslims who appear on television to answer questions: Taqiyya.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This morning one of the ex-generals was commenting on Fox RINO about the need to reach out (as in “out-reach”) to Moslem communities to solve this problem. He complimented the Islamic Society of Greater Chattanooga for condemning the Jihad mass murder operation, and made the fantastic claim that 99.99% of Moslems are abhorred at what happened. I think a more realistic guess would be somewhere around, oh, 10% to 15% of Moslems who abhorred the operation, and they are apostates who by Allah are to be executed when found out. The ex-general and a lawyer (the pompous little bald guy) earlier in the morning made fallacious claim that the statements by terror-linked CAIR and the Greater Chatanooga are unprecedented. Yeah. When it comes to Moslems, these clowns should be very careful when throwing about the word unprecedented.
Best to leave it at the “debate” about whether Prez Barack Hussein should make the linkage between the Holy Islam and the Global Jihad, and that he should concede to fantasies that “militant Islamists” and “radical Islam” (the personal fave of Hannity) are involved in the mass murder operations happening across the globe.
Georg says
That’s there’s any arguing about the terrorist reality of the attack is really only an indication of our perverted state of affairs where none can speak terrorism’s name. So predictably, the President and Administration minimize the act of war by the “lone gunman”. It’s all about as “random” as the Hyper Cacher shootings. But obviously different from the Chapel Hill shootings where the President immediately stated, paraphrasing, “No one should be murdered because of how they worship.”
What a legacy that he’d make it difficult for us and easier for terrorists and Islamists. Bravo.
Jaladhi says
THese talking heads in the media, whether CNN or Fox, have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Islam. As Reagan said, “there you go again”. I don’t know what is the word to describe these people – stupid, naive, liars, hypocrites… or everything combined!!
They certainly are clueless when dealing Islam!! And that happens when you don’t want to tell the truth, I think they don’t even know the truth about Islam!!
mortimer says
Alarmed wrote: “99.99% of Moslems abhor what happened.”
In fact, opinion surveys reveal 15% of Muslims SUPPORT terrorism. Another 30% ‘somewhat’ support terrorism.
Probably, about 1 or 2 Muslims per 7,000 ARE ACTIVE TERRORISTS or are PLANNING
Jaladi wrote: “They (our political leaders) certainly are CLUELESS when dealing Islam!!
They haven’t done their homework, but still present themselves as experts. They are NOT EVEN beginners in the study of Islam.
This is unacceptable. We deserve better than this and we must write to them and demand it.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
We’ve had this debate before, Mort. The questions asked in opinion surveys are malleable. The answers given in response to them are guided at the least, and are frequently outright lies.
I forget the term Fitzgerald uses to describe how the contents of the Holy Ko-Ran spill out into the minds of Moslems who’ll never read it, but absorb its key concepts by growing up in Dar al-Islam or in a Moslem family in Dar al-Harb. Don’t have time to root through his past essays to dig that term up, but it’s a key concept to understanding how Islam works, and to understanding the “results” of these so-called objective opinion polls administered on Moslems.
Jaladhi says
I maintain all of them support terrorism since it is simply jihad (in their minds) and which holy to them!! You show me a Muslim denying jihad and I will show you an apostate!!
So all these polls asking Muslims if they support terrorism or not are useless as they will never give any truthful reply!!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
THese talking heads in the media, whether CNN or Fox, have no clue what they are talking about when it comes to Islam.
I think they at least have a clue, even if only a vague gnawing in the back of their minds. Shown enough repetitions, a four year old could surmise that there is a root cause to the pattern, and that it’s not a perversion of something that is somehow misunderstood.
Misunderstanding is always implied, even by the likes of Sean Hannity who sells himself as a brave truth teller. But for some reason, they *never* go into the particulars of why and how Islam is misunderstood. We here in this blog know the reason: it’s *not* being misunderstood. If nothing else, Islam is crystal clear.
But we dare not even hint at admitting to ourselves this self evident truth, for that would be go against our ideals of modern civilization.
Thus, the hundreds of airtime hours spent this week on “analyzing” what must be done to stop this is really a jawboning exercise to fill minutes on the TV screen. Bottom line, the only solution is to have no Moslems. Either that, or accept reduced freedom as a trade off. We are accelerating down the latter course.
The “debate” about whether we should call this “radical Islam” is surreal, ridiculous and self-defeating. We should call it what it is, yes that is so true and such an emergency truth, we should and must call it “Islam” plain and simple, with no modifying adjective. From there would come the analysis, explanations and understanding.
Georg says
“I forget the term Fitzgerald uses to describe how the contents of the Holy Ko-Ran spill out into the minds of Moslems who’ll never read it.”
I sometimes think of this as “cultural Islam”. Many of their behaviors and prejudices are a result of their cultural milieu and not a result of Koranic learning per se.
Shane says
It is a myth that most Muslims are moderate; most Muslims like Sharia law and want to enforce Islamic blasphemy laws.
Michael Copeland says
They have no option: sharia is not available to be wanted or not wanted, liked or not liked. As Fouad Belkacem of Sharia4Belgium said, “Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia: they are the same.” The Koran, part of Islamic law, says:
“It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision:” (33:36)
mortimer says
Excellent analysis. Thanks. Quotable.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Sharia is Islam, and Islam is Sharia: they are the same.
Yup, Islam is a unitary belief system. It has no seams in its corpus and offers no forks in the road. As the Holy Ko-Ran states in The Opening, “Show us the straight path.” That’s Allah talking right there, and he ain’t throwing out options.
In other words, the Holy Ko-Ran ain’t a “living document” like John Roberts’ U.S. Constitution.
duh_swami says
Roberts appearances should be more than brief. He’s one of the few you see on TV that actually knows what he is talking about…
Grntonpnt says
Does someone here know the exact date of the million muslim march to protest against their fellow religonists who are getting islam all wrong? And does anyone know where I can find a mosque that has orograms for their youth that teaches against the violant form of the religion of peace? How many of the moderate muslims filed into their local mosques in large numbers to pray to allah for the souls of the infidels marines that were killed in Tenn.?
bobm says
how can you believe anything said from a cult of certifiably evident liars and shape-shifters … right out of their own manual.?
bobm says
his name wasn’t pokeroot either but he was certainly hoping to get to pokeroot paradise to escape this cruel world .. maybe with a side of pearly boys… or so his tweets reveal..
Don Foss says
One single and simple word describes this imam’s rhetoric, and the rhetoric of almost all Muslims who appear on television to answer questions: Taqiyya.