Great appearance. I liked (paraphrasing), “The West will not admit that Islamic State punishments are implementations of Islamic Law.” It’s also worth noting that our far-right so-called ally Saudi Arabia kills for sorcery as do the Yanomamo in the Amazon.
Stardusty Psychesays
Georg,
“Saudi Arabia kills for sorcery as do the Yanomamo in the Amazon.”
…as was also commanded by god and written by Moses and appears in the Christian bible.
Christians have been killing “witches” for centuries. Christianity and Islam are equally superstitious but not equally dangerous.
Christianity has found a theological path away from its homicidal practices of just a few hundred years ago. Unfortunately, Islam is yet to do so.
World English Bible
“You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
English Revised Version (ERV)
Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.
Clarke’s Commentary on Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live – If there had been no witches, such a law as this had never been made. The existence of the law, given under the direction of the Spirit of God, proves the existence of the thing. http://www.godvine.com/bible/exodus/22-18
Georgsays
I’m about the least qualified person here to comment on particularities of Christianity/The Bible and dive into comparative religion, but I see the verses you mention are from the Old Testament. From what I understand, the New Testament’s moral commands supersede those of the Old, and Jesus would certainly not have had someone executed, or even touched, for sorcery while Muhammad would have gone Islamic State on said victim.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…”
Additionally, the Koran tends to get nastier as it progresses with Mohammad’s life, with his so-called Meccan and Medinan phases. This, unlike the Bible which goes from being starkly draconian in many respects to one of peace and compassion in the New Testament. The morality of the two is reversed.
You choose the phrase, “Christians have been killing “witches” for centuries.” Wrong. Christian HAD been killing witches for centuries. They no longer do, so let’s be clear about that. That you use the present tense leads me to believe you have an agenda and aren’t engaging in a level argument. Islam now bears the moral burden alone for murdering said witches.
And you continue, “Christianity and Islam are equally superstitious but not equally dangerous.” Wrong again. I don’t know of any Christians, and I know many, who believe in witches/sorcerers. Your attempt to draw a false equivalence between Islam and Christianity on this issue doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Robertsays
Stardusty,
Your simplistic moral equivalence is puerile. If one understands the law given to Moses correctly, one understands it as a minimum standard given to a brutal and barbaric people to point them to the much higher standard that was later revealed by Jesus. Read the New Testament and see that the Pharisees asked Jesus, “Why were we commanded to give her a certificate of divorce?” and Jesus answered that it was for their hardness of heart that they were given that command. The real command that God meant was that one should never divorce.
The fact is that the Old Testament law was an initial revelation given to a barbaric people meant to be superceded by the teaching of the coming Messiah. He was a humble teacher and healer who never harmed anyone and Christians believe him to be the highest example of humanity.
Contrast this to Islam which holds up a seventh century, conqueror, slave-owner, pedophile and murderer as the highest example of humanity whose teachings can never be superceded or questions.
I get so sick of the “But Christian societies have murdered people too.” argument. This is an example of what is called the base line fallacy. Every human society has murder and violence in it and to say that Christian societies have murder and violence says nothing about Christianity, but something about humanity.
We need people like you to grow up quickly. Your ignorance is destroying the world.
Kevinsays
Yes, Robert is right, Stardusty. The equivalence argument is that made by those who believe all cultures and beliefs are of equal merit. People who maintain this have a sense of their intellectual openness and superiority. It’s one way to say “I am educated and understand things better than you.”
That’s the theory. The reality, which Stardusty has yet to adjust to, is that all beliefs, cultures and religions are not of equal value or due equal respect.
Lives depend on getting this right. Many more will be lost until those persons who believe themselves enlightened and even-handed come down from their high horse and do the hard work.
There’s no arguing with magic, like no arguing with the indefinable God.
Some muslims fear it. Some believe in magic, at least some Farsees who were made to convert do, and use it, and some Chinese do too, it’s all over the place, like the 3 cursing Imams i’ve mentioned, cursing me and my friend for couple hours because i showed a Pagan how to draw a perfect pentacle without using measurement.
Maybe it is reserved for the hierarchy.
I heard an interviewh on Radio4, a while ago, with the Malikist priests, North Africa, who said confidentally that they are the main men in magic. That muslim attitude is in England also.
It is not because magic is wrong, it is because magic should be in the hands of the top dog gang group. But it’s uncapturable, so the masses are blagged to leave it out.
Enmasse magic>- Islam won’t like that.
Georg says
Great appearance. I liked (paraphrasing), “The West will not admit that Islamic State punishments are implementations of Islamic Law.” It’s also worth noting that our far-right so-called ally Saudi Arabia kills for sorcery as do the Yanomamo in the Amazon.
Stardusty Psyche says
Georg,
“Saudi Arabia kills for sorcery as do the Yanomamo in the Amazon.”
…as was also commanded by god and written by Moses and appears in the Christian bible.
Christians have been killing “witches” for centuries. Christianity and Islam are equally superstitious but not equally dangerous.
Christianity has found a theological path away from its homicidal practices of just a few hundred years ago. Unfortunately, Islam is yet to do so.
World English Bible
“You shall not allow a sorceress to live.
English Revised Version (ERV)
Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.
Clarke’s Commentary on Exodus 22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live – If there had been no witches, such a law as this had never been made. The existence of the law, given under the direction of the Spirit of God, proves the existence of the thing.
http://www.godvine.com/bible/exodus/22-18
Georg says
I’m about the least qualified person here to comment on particularities of Christianity/The Bible and dive into comparative religion, but I see the verses you mention are from the Old Testament. From what I understand, the New Testament’s moral commands supersede those of the Old, and Jesus would certainly not have had someone executed, or even touched, for sorcery while Muhammad would have gone Islamic State on said victim.
Here is a pertinent verse from the New Testament: http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-44.htmj
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…”
Additionally, the Koran tends to get nastier as it progresses with Mohammad’s life, with his so-called Meccan and Medinan phases. This, unlike the Bible which goes from being starkly draconian in many respects to one of peace and compassion in the New Testament. The morality of the two is reversed.
You choose the phrase, “Christians have been killing “witches” for centuries.” Wrong. Christian HAD been killing witches for centuries. They no longer do, so let’s be clear about that. That you use the present tense leads me to believe you have an agenda and aren’t engaging in a level argument. Islam now bears the moral burden alone for murdering said witches.
And you continue, “Christianity and Islam are equally superstitious but not equally dangerous.” Wrong again. I don’t know of any Christians, and I know many, who believe in witches/sorcerers. Your attempt to draw a false equivalence between Islam and Christianity on this issue doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
Robert says
Stardusty,
Your simplistic moral equivalence is puerile. If one understands the law given to Moses correctly, one understands it as a minimum standard given to a brutal and barbaric people to point them to the much higher standard that was later revealed by Jesus. Read the New Testament and see that the Pharisees asked Jesus, “Why were we commanded to give her a certificate of divorce?” and Jesus answered that it was for their hardness of heart that they were given that command. The real command that God meant was that one should never divorce.
The fact is that the Old Testament law was an initial revelation given to a barbaric people meant to be superceded by the teaching of the coming Messiah. He was a humble teacher and healer who never harmed anyone and Christians believe him to be the highest example of humanity.
Contrast this to Islam which holds up a seventh century, conqueror, slave-owner, pedophile and murderer as the highest example of humanity whose teachings can never be superceded or questions.
I get so sick of the “But Christian societies have murdered people too.” argument. This is an example of what is called the base line fallacy. Every human society has murder and violence in it and to say that Christian societies have murder and violence says nothing about Christianity, but something about humanity.
We need people like you to grow up quickly. Your ignorance is destroying the world.
Kevin says
Yes, Robert is right, Stardusty. The equivalence argument is that made by those who believe all cultures and beliefs are of equal merit. People who maintain this have a sense of their intellectual openness and superiority. It’s one way to say “I am educated and understand things better than you.”
That’s the theory. The reality, which Stardusty has yet to adjust to, is that all beliefs, cultures and religions are not of equal value or due equal respect.
Lives depend on getting this right. Many more will be lost until those persons who believe themselves enlightened and even-handed come down from their high horse and do the hard work.
Jon says
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shrugger says
Not seeing Momo there.
citycat says
There’s no arguing with magic, like no arguing with the indefinable God.
Some muslims fear it. Some believe in magic, at least some Farsees who were made to convert do, and use it, and some Chinese do too, it’s all over the place, like the 3 cursing Imams i’ve mentioned, cursing me and my friend for couple hours because i showed a Pagan how to draw a perfect pentacle without using measurement.
Maybe it is reserved for the hierarchy.
I heard an interviewh on Radio4, a while ago, with the Malikist priests, North Africa, who said confidentally that they are the main men in magic. That muslim attitude is in England also.
It is not because magic is wrong, it is because magic should be in the hands of the top dog gang group. But it’s uncapturable, so the masses are blagged to leave it out.
Enmasse magic>- Islam won’t like that.