Earle Cornelius of LancasterOnline is a better reporter than most non-Muslim reporters in the U.S. who report on Ahmadiyya spokesmen as if they’re the true, peaceful, moderate Muslims: he informs his readers of a salient detail that most leave out, that the Ahmadiyya “are considered a heretical sect by some Muslims and Ahmadiyya Muslims have been persecuted in Pakistan and Indonesia.” But he doesn’t inform his readers that the Ahmadiyya represent no more than three percent of Muslims worldwide, or that in Pakistan, they’re not even allowed legally to proclaim themselves as Muslims.
These facts make Hammad Ahmad’s claim that Muslim clerics have been misunderstanding Islam for 1,400 years — that is, since the very beginning of the religion — bizarre, to say the least. How did this misunderstanding arise at the dawn of the religion, and why did it persist to modern times? Why is the group that Ahmad considers to be the only true Muslims a tiny, despised group?
Earle Cornelius neither asks nor answers these questions. For the mainstream media, in its ongoing quest to present a peaceful, benign face of Islam, any “moderate” will do, no matter how risible his or her claims.
“Convention focuses on rebuilding Islam’s name,” by Earle Cornelius, LancasterOnline, August 14, 2015:
Imam Hammad Ahmad contends that Muslim clerics have, for the past 1,400 years, perverted the true meaning of Islam.
Islam, he said in an interview this week, is a religion of peace, not of war.
Ahmad is among those who are addressing several thousand members at this year’s Ahmadiyya Muslim Community convention currently taking place at the Pennsylvania Farm Show Complex in Harrisburg. The theme of the event is “Religion, Freedom and Peace.”
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community — which is the oldest American-Islamic organization — is a reformist sect that believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908, to be the mahdi, or the figure expected by some Muslims at the end of the world. Ahmad claimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus whose arrival was foretold by the Prophet Muhammad.
That belief separates the sect from other Muslims in the world. They are considered a heretical sect by some Muslims and Ahmadiyya Muslims have been persecuted in Pakistan and Indonesia.
Ahmad, from Baltimore, said the purpose of the convention is to “promote peace and tolerance.”
Worried by radicalists
Amjad Khan, the group’s national director of public affairs, said the convention “focuses on revitalizing and clarifying” Islam’s meaning.
He said extremists, such as Islamic State, are ruining Islam’s name.
“We are deeply concerned about radicalism among Muslims worldwide,” he said.
“We see jihad as a spiritual struggle, as an intellectual struggle, not one of violence,” said Khan.
(Imam Fuad al-Zubeiry of Lancaster, said Muslims do not accept any messenger other than Muhammad. He added that while the greatest jihad is internal, orthodox Muslims see jihad as fighting for the right cause.)
Ahmadiyya Muslims follow the Five Pillars of Islam, adhere to the six articles of faith and follow the Quran.
Late last year, Mirza Masroor Ahmad, who is the spiritual leader or caliph to millions of Ahmadiyya Muslims around the world, said it was shameful that Britain had lost an estimated 500 young people to Islamic State.
According to The Guardian newspaper, the caliph said Muslim leaders in the United Kingdom should be teaching “love of country” as well as love of God to disaffected young men and women and working harder to promote the peaceful message of Islam.
Bridging the gap
Khan and Ahmad acknowledge these are difficult times for Muslims. Polls show that Americans have a largely negative view of Islam.
“It’s a steep mountain for us to climb,” Khan admitted.
To bridge that gap, the group has launched three campaigns — Muslims for Peace, Muslims for Loyalty and Muslims for Life.
Muslims for Loyalty hold events on July 4 every year. The purpose, said Khan, is to remind Muslims they are to be loyal to America.
Every Sept. 11, they hold a blood drive as part of the Muslims for Life campaign. Since its inception, he said, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has collected more than 35,000 pints of blood.
Khan said that has enabled the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community to build ties in this country….
Brian says
Ahmadiyya Muslims are not accepted or recognised by Sunni or Shia Muslims.
mortimer says
Ahmadiyya is based on deuterocanonical writings…but Mohammed claimed he had the ‘final’ revelation…that the Koran was ‘complete’. Classical Muslims still decided that the Koran was not complete but need 10,000 hadith (‘reports’) to explain it!
Ahmadis all begin by misrepresentation and lies. They tell the kafirs that they represent mainstream Islam when they don’t. Most kafirs don’t check their claims.
Editors of media are IRRESPONSIBLE BONEHEADS when they send out journalists unacquainted with religion (especially Islam). Would they send out a reporter to the Super Bowl with a grounding in sports? Or a reporter to cover presidential debates without a knowledge of political science? No?
We deserve better reporting about religion than we are getting. Editors, are you listening?
Huck Folder says
““We see jihad as a spiritual struggle, as an intellectual struggle, not one of violence,” said Khan.”
Any moslem trolls reading this, (you know who you are), that HOWLER should be compared with the one that ‘islam’ means ‘peace’, when all unzombified peoples (not moslem or leftard) know that it means SUBMISSION, frequently at the edge of a sword!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
“In his work, The History of Baghdad, Al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, an 11th-century Islamic scholar, referenced a ‘statement’ by the companion of Muhammad Jabir ibn Abd-Allah. The reference stated that Jabir said, “We have returned from the lesser jihad (al-jihad al-asghar) to the greater jihad (al-jihad al-akbar).” When asked, “What is the greater jihad?,” he replied, “It is the struggle against oneself.” This reference gave rise to the [disingenuous] distinguishing of two forms of jihad: “greater” and “lesser”.
“THE HADITH DOES NOT APPEAR IN ANY OF THE AUTHORITATIVE COLLECTIONS, and according to the Muslim Jurist Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, the source of the quote is UNRELIABLE:
“This saying is widespread [taqiyya/propaganda] and it is a saying by Ibrahim ibn Ablah according to Nisa’i in al-Kuna. Ghazali mentions it in the Ihya’ and al-`Iraqi said that Bayhaqi related it on the authority of Jabir and said: THERE IS WEAKNESS IN ITS CHAIN OF TRANSMISSION. [!]
—Hajar al Asqalani, Tasdid al-qaws; see also Kashf al-Khafaa’ (no. 1362)
“Nonetheless, the concept has had “enormous influence” in Islamic mysticism (Sufism). Other [taqiyya] observers have endorsed it. [cair, isna, icna, msa, abedin, obama…]
“In contrast, the Hanbali scholar Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya did believe that “internal Jihad” is important but he suggests those hadith as weak which consider “Jihad of the heart/soul” to be more important than “Jihad by the sword”. Contemporary Islamic scholar Abdullah Yusuf Azzam has argued THE ‘HADITH’ IS NOT JUST WEAK BUT “IS IN FACT, A FALSE, FABRICATED ‘HADITH, WHICH HAS NO BASIS. It is ONLY A SAYING of Ibrahim Ibn Abi `Abalah, one of the Successors, and IT CONTRADICTS TEXTUAL EVIDENCE AND REALITY.”
Pish on that! Since when did the worshipers of mo recognize ‘evidence’ and ‘reality’? Given a ‘choice’ between blinkered faith and ANY examination of facts or reality, those woms (worshipers of mo) don’t even consider there to be a choice. It’s FAITH – first, last, and always. ANYTHING else is heresy and apostasy.
“Other spiritual, social, economic struggles” [not jihad!]
“(Imam Fuad al-Zubeiry of Lancaster, said Muslims do not accept any messenger other than Muhammad. He added that while the ‘greatest’ jihad is internal, orthodox Muslims see jihad as fighting for the ‘right’ cause.)”
“According to The Guardian newspaper, the caliph said Muslim leaders in the United Kingdom should be teaching “love of country” as well as love of God to disaffected young men and women and working harder to promote ‘the peaceful message of Islam’.” [If you can find any!]
As posted elsewhere, ‘ahmadis’ are some of the WORST bigots and hypocrites on the planet. They shamelessly carry water for mo, even as they are treated as apostates and shirkers. They are 100% in agreement with the the GENOCIDE of the Banu Qurayza, where 600-900 Jewish males – some as young as 10, some as old as 70 – were beheaded. All the younger boys and all the women were then taken as slaves, for the sadistic sexual pleasures of mo and his fellow bandits, or to be sold off, along with ALL their property and possessions. Murderous, thieving bastards all.
Whitewash THAT David et al.
Jaladhi says
Isn’t it funny that this moron thinks only Ahmadis know real Islam and ther Muslim imams have perverted the real message of Quran!1 apparently Ahmadis have never read Quran, Hadiths and Sira and think Mo/allah was a peaceful man. All of those genocides done by him were “peaceful”!! All Muslims lie and Ahmadis top them all!!
Matthieu Baudin says
A very fair treatment of an interesting, marginal, Muslim religious community. It’s well worth giving non violent, law abiding individuals an audience, especially when they are taking a significant personal risk in speaking out.
Imam Hammad Ahmad would do well to approach the U.K. Home Secretary to lift the ban on Robert Spencer visiting Britain, so as to allow for a freer interchange between those striving for a more peaceful and secure future.
voegelinian says
Huh?
gravenimage says
Matthieu, despite the fact that the Ahmadi are oppressed and murdered under orthodox Islam, members often defend and whitewash mainstream Islam to Infidels.
Moreover, despite the fact that they reject violent Jihad–no small point–they *still* want to see the imposition of brutal Shari’ah, including amputation, beheading, and stonings. And the Ahmadi are no defenders of freedom of speech–just the opposite if that speech is critical of Islam.
Members of this sect would have no interest in an opponent of the savagery of Shari’ah like Robert Spencer having free access to Britain.
Here’s one story about Ahmadi apologia for Islamic barbarism:
“Ahmadi Muslim leader Qasim Rashid whitewashes Muhammad’s support for torture”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/12/ahmadi-muslim-leader-qasim-rashid-whitewashes-muhammads-support-for-torture
There are many more such stories here in the Jihad Watch archives.
I’m afraid your hope that Ahmadis are some sort of allies in the fight against the threat of Islam is mistaken.
Matthieu Baudin says
“…Members of this sect would have no interest in an opponent of the savagery of Shari’ah like Robert Spencer having free access to Britain…”
Dear Gravenimage, Voegelinian and others, what I wished to convey was the point that people like Imam Hammad Ahmad should be expected to reciprocate the gracious treatment that they have received from decent freedom of speech advocates such as Robert Spencer. Robert had the patience and good will to represent what the Imam had to say in a faithful manner so that Jihad Watch readers could see what the Imam had to say; demonstrating once again that Robert is true to his word in his commitment to fairness. It’s important that in return for this fair-minded treatment, that Muslim spokesmen like Hammad Ahmad (who at least proclaims a commitment to dialogue), be asked to play a hand in removing the obstacles put in the way of Robert, notably his ban from travel to the U.K. Of course it would be quite a surprise if this man or any of his followers made such a move, but we need to continuously challenge them to be part of a two way open dialogue, rather than rely upon the censorship of those with clashing perspectives.
gravenimage says
Thanks for the reply, Matthieu. It can be difficult at times to discern nuance on-line, so I took your initial comments to be literal.
You are quite right that we should demand reciprocity from Muslims–not that we will receive it, but that its lack will be instructive to other Infidels.
voegelinian says
While Matthew Baudin is correct about Spencer, he’s curiously expecting this Stockholm Syndrome Stepford Husband Ahmadi to have a change of heart & mind. We should stop expecting Muslims and their Dhimmibots to change in sufficient numbers to help us with the problem of Islam. We have enough problems trying to wake up our own West to the dangers of Islam.
jayell says
“Imam Hammad Ahmad contends that Muslim clerics have, for the past 1,400 years, perverted the true meaning of Islam. Islam, he said in an interview this week, is a religion of peace, not of war.”
A ‘religion of peace’ founded by a person who conforms to the profile of a Dark Age Warlord who personally conducted 48(?) aggressive military campaigns involving murder, rape and pillage and who is reputed to have personally beheaded at least 600 men in one day (achieved by importing lamps to complete the task after sunset, I believe); and whose followers have ‘perverted the cause of their master’ by achieving a similar reputation right up to the present day by committing like acts in His name? And THIS a ‘Relgion of PEACE’? So, what is THEIR definition of the word ‘Peace’???
Jaladhi says
Ahmadis are the biggest liars of all Muslims!! And to top it off, Muslims don’t regard Ahmadis as Muslims!! So why these Ahmadis go on defending the murderer of all time, Mo/allah!! They should leave Islam if they are looking for a peaceful religion – Buddhism will really come in handy!!
Chabuco says
“… for the past 1,400 years”—
Hahaha, wow, so Mohammed himself misunderstood Islam, of course. Oh man, the buffoonery is too strong with this one!
vlparker says
Yup. Old Mo got it all wrong.
Zimriel says
Maybe… Mo did? There’s some research out there that thinks the core of the Qur’an – the short suras at the end – were Syriac Christian hymns at first, with a bias toward pure monotheism.
Perhaps these *were* revealed to Mo – by an Arian monk. Mo then added his own stuff and went on a rampage.
/not saying very much that’s new to regular JW / Spencer readers
Jay Boo says
What????
“the core of the Qur’an – the short suras at the end”
I don’t get that doublespeak “someone said research”
Which is it? The core of the Qur’an — or — the short suras at the end
Jay Boo says
BTW
Namedropping Robert Spencer with a slight of hand technique by saying — “regular JW / Spencer readers” does not add credibility to your comment.
gravenimage says
Jay Boo, when Zimriel refers to these passages as the “core of the Qur’an”, I believe he means the earliest material that was eventually collected into the Qur’an, *not* the core of that baleful book’s eventual message.
Dark Ages Arabia was full of obscure fringe Christian and Jewish splinter sects, including the Sabians and the Arians. Many of these had Gnostic elements and much predated Muhammed. It *is* likely that Muhammed built what became Islam around these ideas early on, which probably explains the fractured and slightly-off kilter aspect of Bible-based stories one finds in the Qur’an.
Of course, this was just the jumping-off point–the later sanguinary savagery that forms the ideological core of Islam likely mostly came from non-Christian sources, and many of them are unique to Islam itself.
The idea that Islam had its earliest roots in non-orthodox Christian sects is very old and is probably correct as far as it goes–Islam was widely considered a Christian heresy in Europe during the Middle Ages.
Here is one such discussion:
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/211228-origin-islam-arianism.html
There are many, many more.
I don’t believe that Zimriel was attempting any whitewash of Islam, nor was he in any way being insulting toward Robert Spencer or other JW readers. Everything I can recall his postings shows he is a solid Anti-Jihadist.
voegelinian says
What Zimriel is referring to was reported in much more detail here at Jihad Watch back in November of 2014, and also at Gates of Vienna blog in December of 2014 —
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/11/ibn-warraqs-christmas-in-the-koran-a-new-challenge-to-the-standard-account-of-islams-origins
http://gatesofvienna.net/2014/12/christmas-in-the-koran/
— adverting to a compendium of scholarly articles edited by Ibn Warraq, entitled Christmas in the Koran, or What is Left of Islam?
Particularly useful for those who haven’t yet read Ibn Warraq’s book, is the analytical review by Rebecca Bynum at the Gates of Vienna link. Among other things, she describes the argument of one of the scholars collected in the book, the Counter-Jihadistically famous German academic, Christoph Luxenberg (a pseudonym he has had to adopt because of the reasonable expectation that Muslims want to kill him for his blasphemous research, among which is the charming discovery he made that the Koranic word for the “virgins” of Islamic Paradise (houri) originally meant “white raisins” promised as part of the fruit platters of the heavenly gardens):
This linguistic aspect of the Qur’an being confirmed historically as of Syriac origin leads the author henceforth to conclude that not only the form, but the substance of the Qur’an is of Syrio-Aramaic origin, or at least the latter constitutes the foundation. The latter more so because the word “Qur’an itself is nothing other than a phonetic Arabic distortion of the Syriac term Qeryan, designating a Syriac liturgical book corresponding to the Lectionary (Lectionarium) of the Roman liturgy, from which the Readings, constituting extracts of the Old and New Testament, are read in the Christian liturgical service. It is thus not surprising that Jesus (‘Isa) is cited twenty-five times in the Qur’an and that he is there referred to as the Messiah (al-Masih) eleven times. Thus it is only logical to see other Syro-Christian passages being a part of this foundation which constitutes the origin of the Qur’an…
Whether this startling thesis presented in this compendium of scholars has to do with a “core of the Koran” and/or the “shorter suras” is the far less important point; but leave it to Jay Boo, an alumnus of the Angemon Institute of Higher Quibbling & Rabbit Trails, to nitpick at it.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“but leave it to Jay Boo, an alumnus of the Angemon Institute of Higher Quibbling & Rabbit Trails, to nitpick at it.”
Shoehorning propaganda to demonize regulars you don’t like? Goebbels would be proud!
Jesus says
Ever wonder why these idiots are all from Hinduland? Why aren’t there Ahmadiyya in Arabic speaking countries? How do a bunch of Hindoos in the middle of Hinduland think they can hijack Islam like this? They obviously don’t understand Arabic or have any semetic desert sky god frame of reference to grant them understanding – maybe they’ll follow what the panthiestic Europeans did to Judaism and have a hinduized god incarnation religion like Christianity
mortimer says
‘Why aren’t there Ahmadiyya in Arabic speaking countries?’
You are a Muslim. You know that Ahmadis get persecuted and killed in Arab countries. You know how intolerant Islam is.
You need to learn more about Islam and Christianity. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Jesus says
All I need to know is the differences between Judaism and Hinduism Mr.Yahya come-lately
Western Canadian says
From previous posts with that name, it is obvious you know nothing about anything.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Ahmadiyya Moslems *are* heretics, and by Islamic law should be put to death, preferably by decapitation. If the Imam Ahmad wants to revitalize things, maybe he should talk to the hundreds of Infidel men and boys of Banu Qurayza who were beheaded that afternoon, and oh while you’re revitalizing don’t forget to talk to the little girls who were sold off as sex slaves that day.
… in Pakistan, they’re not even allowed legally to proclaim themselves as Muslims.
Kudos to the Pakis for understanding Islam’s true meaning.
Jay Boo says
Either way Islam is a perversion.
For 1400 years Muslims have chosen to turn their backs to a living God in favor of a dead empty religion.
mortimer says
Is Islam a perverted form of heretical, Gnostic Christianity? Many scholars believe it is. The ‘Meccan’ Koran is different from the ‘Medinan’ Koran, leading scholars to believe the ‘original’ Gnostic religion of some unnamed ‘prophet’ was transformed into ‘Islam’ by the caliphs. It is a very credible theory.
The contradictions between the early and later Koran do not have an adequate explanation without this theory.
Jesus says
Sorry to troll you, but I think that if pursued, a stronger case can be made for a more direct influence of Jewish sources on the content of the Quran. Yes, there is mention of Jesus and Mary and the Holy Spirit and Gabriel and Zachariah and John – but these are all tempered by a very Semitic understanding of God so as not to give too much leeway to the Christians – and they may have been added simply to spite the Jews from whom the rest of the stories and themes of the Quran seem closest too. If you think about it the Arabs were surrounded by Jews much more so than Christians who they mainly encountered on when trading in the Levant. I know that this theory has had some research done on it but haven’t read any on it as I have on the Syriac Christian origins – just saying that the spirit of the Quran is much more semetic than that of Christianity which is why I naturally am more inclined to view it from that angle. Allah knows best
Zimriel says
Heysoos: over the past decade, scholarship is turning away from seeing Jewish influence and is more seeing direct Christian influence, at least on that version of “the Qur’an” which we now have. Kevin van Bladel all but found a smoking-gun in sura 18’s quotations from Heraclius’s “Alexander Neshana”. Gabriel Said Reynolds has found a lot more.
Remember that Syrian Christianity back then was different from Protestantism, and even from the Catholic / Balkan-Orthodox Christianities now. It relied more on apocryphal texts, much more. Some of these Christian texts had Jewish midrashic *origins*… others made their own “final touches” to the Bible.
Marisol says
For Mortimer: Actually, there IS an explanation of the ‘PEACEFUL MECCAN’ Quranic verses, vs. the ‘VIOLENT JIHADIST’ Quranic verses:
BRIEF HISTORY OF MUHAMMAD: Actually, ISIS is following the EXACT SAME medieval principles of Islam as were carried on by the prophet Muhammad in the 7th century. Here’s a brief history for the misguided and ill-informed:
For 13 years, Muhammad did in fact preach religion and peaceful verses while in Mecca (the Meccan Quran), but could only get 100-150 Arabs to convert. As a result, Islam was a complete and utter failure. Driven out of Mecca, Muhammad fled to Medina, but was rejected by the Jews. Infuriated, he became a warrior and politician and the nature of Islam changed from that of a peaceful doctrine to a violent and radical doctrine (jihadist) out of which Sharia law was born.
Islam immediately became a massive success—with promises of wealth and riches, the spoils of war (‘booty’), concubines (sex slaves) and paradise with 72 virgins if converts were to die in battle. Over 10,000 Arabs joined each year until Muhammad’s death 10 years later in 632 A.D. During that time, he waged battle after battle, annihilating every Jew from Saudi Arabia, even beheading 800 male Jews of the Banu Qurayza tribe one historical day with his 12-year old child bride, Ayesha, beside him. The women and children were all sold into slavery.
Muhammad later returned to Mecca as its conqueror and slaughtered all his enemies including those who had previously mocked him and rejected him as the prophet of Allah. He then waged jihad against the pagans, then turned his murderous sights to the Christians in Syria. To ensure Islam was dominant and the only ‘religion’, he destroyed hundreds of idols around the Ka’ba.
Hence, we see the horrific and violent verses in the Medinan Quran (which is effectively commingled with the Meccan Quran), the Sira, and the Hadith. 65% of the Medinan Quran is devoted to the Kafir—(you and I) and how to deal with us, and 16% of the Quran is devoted to Jihad. Hardly a religion of “peace”—it is an evil ideological and political doctrine wherein the earlier peaceful verses are abrogated (cancelled out) by the later violent verses. Muhammad himself said: “The later verses are stronger, better.”
Heard of “Taqiyya”? It’s an Arabic word meaning ‘secret deception’ used to fool all Kafirs (unbelievers) of the heinous and ugly truths of Islam in order to advance its cause. ISIS is pure, raw Islam and they tell us time and again, “This is what our Muhammad did”, and we need to listen. WATCH Dr. Bill Warner’s videos explaining Islam through the facts contained in the Quran, the Sira, and the Hadith: http://www.politicalislam.com
voegelinian says
“For 13 years, Muhammad did in fact preach religion and peaceful verses while in Mecca (the Meccan Quran), but could only get 100-150 Arabs to convert. As a result, Islam was a complete and utter failure. Driven out of Mecca, Muhammad fled to Medina, but was rejected by the Jews. Infuriated, he became a warrior and politician and the nature of Islam changed from that of a peaceful doctrine to a violent and radical doctrine (jihadist) out of which Sharia law was born.” [emphasis added]
Years ago there was a frequent commenter on Jihad Watch (“archimedez”) who often demonstrated he had quite a studious familiarity with the Koran. In his view, as I understood it, this Mecca/Medina split is exaggerated and may obfuscate an underlying unity between the “Two Mohammeds”. (The following quotes taken from an email correspondence I had with him some six years ago.)
While the Meccan verses ostensibly did not overtly promote expansive militaristic jihad, it was archimedez’s informed opinon that one “could support the claims that the Meccan verses are intolerant and forewarn of earthly punishments against the disbelievers, and that they at least in principle accept holy fighting in Allah’s Cause…and then the Medinan verses deliver on what the Meccan verses forewarn. If someone makes a threat at time 1, and then cashes in on that threat at time 2, it would not be reasonable to say that he is tolerant at time 1.”
The Meccan verses archimedez collected that show this intolerance bristling with hatred and threats were:
“These verses are all Meccan, and describe or threaten Allah’s
physical annihilation of disbelievers in this world:
10:13, 17:16-17, 19:98, 38:3, 32:26, 7:4, 21:6-15, 18:59, 28:58,
46:27, 15:4, 27:51.”
Thus the second bolded emphasis from Marisol’s quote above — It doesn’t make sense that Mohammed was driven out of Mecca because he was just promoting peace and tolerance which few were interested in; but it does make sense that he was fomenting intolerance and hatred in the context of a fanatical absolute truth directed by his egomania, making him such an annoying pest, the inhabitants said get the Hell out of our town. And it’s not unreasonable to also suppose they became increasingly uncomfortable with the hateful and fanatical hostility brimming in between the lines of his preaching and haranguing.
gravenimage says
I agree that the peaceful nature of the Meccan verses is often exaggerated–the Qur’an does become worse and worse, culminating in the sanguinary horror of Verse 9 and the “Sura of the Sword”, but even many of the Meccan passages are pretty ugly.
Even without abrogation, the Qur’an is a violent book.
Angel Gabriel says
Breaking news: Major blast in Bankok, right in front of a Hindu shrine. Done by Muslim? No word yet.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/08/17/large-explosion-bangkok/31840823/
mortimer says
Many thanks to Earle Cornelius. At least he gets the basics of the situation.
However, Robert Spencer points out the problem with his non-adversarial approach.
If reporters lack knowledge about Islam, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS TALK TO ROBERT SPENCER.
Spencer will tell them what questions they need to ask to probe for REAL ANSWERS from these prevaricating TAQIYYA ARTISTS.
On the whole, journalists are unprepared to report on Islam and afraid to probe.
Voytek Gagalka says
“Ahmadiyya Muslims follow the Five Pillars of Islam, adhere to the six articles of faith and follow the Quran.”
Follow Quran? To what extend? Obviously they must somehow forget or discard those suras which they find were “perverted” for the past 1400 years. No wonder they are called heretical by all those claiming that WHOLE Qur’an must be followed, or it falls! And in any case we can wish them good luck and that one day, maybe, they will “reform” Islam, somehow. But we cannot wait for another 1400 years for this to happen, since our very lives and survival of western civilization are at stake.
Angemon says
The follow-up questions should have been “what about self-defence?” and “does this mean you don’t believe that sharia should be imposed on muslims and non-muslims alike?” Ahamadi’s endgame is the same as other muslim sects: the imposition of sharia on the whole world, with everything it entails – stonings, chopping of limbs, death for apostates, etc. Should I be praising them because they want to do so through non-violent means? Of course not.
RG says
Ahmadiyya Moslems are the classical ‘lipstick on a pig’ representatives of islam. They’re not acknowledged by mainstream muzzlums because they DON’T follow the true tenets of islam–among which is the command to hate, subjugate and kill all infidel kuffars. I think I would compare them to all of the deluded followers of the now infamous Jim Jones cult of Guyana, South America. Everything was peaceful there UNTIL IT WASN’T ANYMORE!!!! If these people want to live peaceful lives, then they need to denounce all ties and connections with islam and the “prophet” of DEATH!!! If they really believe in Jesus, as they claim, I would suggest they pick up a Bible and learn about the REAL Jesus Christ! Yeah!
gravenimage says
Ahmadi imam says Muslim clerics have perverted Islam for 1400 years
These facts make Hammad Ahmad’s claim that Muslim clerics have been misunderstanding Islam for 1,400 years — that is, since the very beginning of the religion
………………………………..
Yup–every Muslim ever has gotten his faith wrong wrong wrong–and all, oddly, in exactly the same way…sarc/off
More:
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community — which is the oldest American-Islamic organization — is a reformist sect
………………………………..
Yes…and no. While the Ahmadi *do* reject violent Jihad–a major point, and one for which they are oppressed and murdered by their more orthodox coreligionists–they fully embrace the imposition of brutal Shari’ah law, which includes amputation for petty theft, beheading, and stoning of women.
Perhaps not so “reformist” after all…
Here’s some Ahmadiyya whitewash of bloody Shari’ah:
“Demystifying ‘Shariah’”
https://www.alislam.org/egazette/updates/demystifying-shariah/
And here’s a good expose of Ahmadiyya support for wife-beating and the crushing of freedom of speech, as well as some weasily bs about stoning:
“Ahmadiyya moderation not all it’s cracked up to be”
http://www.d-intl.com/2014/01/20/ahmadiyya-moderation-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/
Franz says
In Ahmadi Mosques in germany there where papers that say”pig meat makes you gay”!!!
Also Ahmadis are very often in german state TV shows,i think because they have some good looking and ecucated girls.One of them is a daughter of a german native,an ex drug user…he once said in a tv discussion that the most muslims can´t read haha…also german state made a deal with the ahmadis years ago,the ahmadi organisation is the only one who can say that somebody is an Ahmadi!
So when a muslim came and say i want asylum because im an Ahmadi he must do what they want and this is(german newspapers wrote it!)buying in expensive Ahmadi shops,payinng to their Org. etc!
Also you can be sure that many are not Ahmadis!Buit so its easy to get Asylum.
Joseph says
Just how can you pervert something that is already perverted.
That is like saying you will make poison poisonous.
Champ says
Just how can you pervert something that is already perverted.
That is like saying you will make poison poisonous.
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Good one, Joseph!! 😀
sinantara says
“Pastor! Thet are is a mob of Muslims coming this way from the central mosque, they are screaming allahu akbar!”
“can’t be, Islam is religion of peace, they just declared this in our last interfaith outreach!”
“but they are dressed in white robes and turbans and they have sticks And they are crying allahu akbar and “burn burn!”
“Oh, maybe they’re from the FPI or the MMI I didn’t see them at the seminar! But they’re just a tiny minority of Muslims!”
“Pastor, there a few hundred of them…What shall we do?”
“That is a tiny minority. Let’s reach out to them…”
“Pastor, let’s reach out to the police, the garrison command!”
“No young man, that would be Islamophobic.”
“What is that, shall we run?”
“Western leaders guarantee that Islam is peacefull! David Cameron and Obama say so…!”
“David who? Obama? What is that… Pastor, they are at the gate and puling it down!”
“But they victims! Maybe they are angry a the Jews?”
“Who are the Jews pastor, the gate is down, let’s run out of the back door!”
“But they are also victims of their own imams who have perverted their religion!”
“Pastor, I am going to run, they’re breaking down the door!”
“Brothers! Please listen to me, this has to be a mistake! I know your religion is a religion of the peace, so please don’t burn down our church! I know you’re angry because of you have no job’s… I can employ you… We need a janitor and a parking attendant! Hey, don’t do that! Listen brothers! I understand you, we are … Aargh! Help help! Please… Oh God help me!
Arthur says
The exception proves the rule.
Western Canadian says
The meanings of words often drifts or even changes of time. The use of ‘prove’ in this case is an example. As quoted, the phrase is gibberish. When the phrase was coined, the meaning was actually:
The exception TESTS the rule.
King James I says
More Taqqiyah.
Champ says
Hmm, did your pedophile-mass-murdering-prophet muhammad (perdition be upon him) pervert islam, as well? Nah!
Dennis says
I met Ahmadi folks in Israel: local to the state. Integrated into Israel culture. I met some from Pakistan, also peace-loving. AND persecuted for their faith. I have no quarrel with them. There are however exceptions!
Western Canadian says
The local ahmadi will, without any hesitation, give interviews and write letters to the editor of local newspapers, and lie through their teeth about the bloody koran.