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Choudary, Spencer and Jasser Battle It Out On “Jihad in Chattanooga” — on The Glazov Gang

Aug 1, 2015 6:41 am By Jamie Glazov

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On this special episode of The Glazov Gang, I was joined by Anjem Choudary, a London Imam, Robert Spencer, the Director of JihadWatch.org, and Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, the Founder and President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.

The three guests came on the show to discuss “Jihad in Chattanooga.”

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  1. particolor says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 6:50 am

    Choudary is Mental ! How is Robert going to get an Edge in Wordways with that Clown ? 🙂

    • t. says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 6:26 pm

      Choudary said in essence that the goal of fighting Israel is to liberate Palestinians from the alleged occupation of their land and that even orthodox Jews oppose the existence of the state of Israel. Here was a good opportunity for either Robert or Jamie to ask the following question.

      Robert or Jamie to Choudary: Does that mean if the orthodox Jews living in Israel had their way and the state of Israel is dissolved, would that mean that they would be left to live in peace afterwards, in the middle of their Muslim majority neighbors?

      The significance of this last question is very important because many Muslims and Jihadists, including Choudary, justify their violence and terrorism against the US and Israel by explaining it to be in self defense against their aggression on Muslim lands and families, when in reality, the doctrine of Jihad and war on all infidels until these later submit to Islam, is the root cause of all those atrocities and terrorism.

      • CBUK says

        Aug 3, 2015 at 7:57 pm

        That question to Choudary wouldn’t work at all. He would merely say, “Yes, they would be left alone, as “people of the Book” are left alone within the Muslim state” – and then he would go on a rant about how Christians have always been worse at mistreating Jews, and he would use the Holocaust as the ultimate example.

        To a man who believes that Muslim countries should be run as an Emirate within a Caliphate with no secular law, Orthodox Jews are perfect. The old Muslim model of state allows for Jewish/Christian minorities so long as those minorities are subordinate, and expects those minorities to govern themselves according to their own religious laws. So the Ultra Orthodox, who don’t want to be involved in government but only to live according to the Laws set forth in their traditions, are the perfect foil.

  2. Peter Buckley says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 6:53 am

    Great idea to pit the true muslim Choudhary against what the Qur’an and Muhammad describes as a “hypocrite”. Great idea to post it on youtube to the great embarrassment of the ummah.

    Unlike most on here, I regard Choudhary and his ilk as essential to the early stages of the destruction of Islam (a.k.a. “moderate Islam”).

    Choudhary can be used as a tool by the West (though he is completely unaware of it).

    On a recent televised debate on apostasy here in the UK, one muslim admitted that lots of muslims were leaving Islam precisely because they viewed it as intolerant and harsh. So Anjem is playing a useful role.

    Hilarious………….

    • mortimer says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 7:31 am

      PB wrote: “Choudhary can be used as a tool …” to teach people about real Islam.

      That is exactly true. Most of the mullahs are ashamed of the real teachings of Islam, so they hide them, even from their congregations.

      Choudary is perhaps the most honest Muslim in the West on the matter of the jihad doctrine, Islamic supremacism, enslavement, discrimination against women and ‘others’, sadistic and unreasonable Islamic punishments, Islamic brainwashing and mind control, etc.

      Choudary and Spencer have a lot in common: they both know the evil things that Islam demands of its followers. Choudary seems to relish Islam’s backwardness and depravity.

    • Keith says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 7:59 am

      That is good to hear but I missed that televised debate. Do you know if it is still available on any of the catch up sites or youtube? If so what is the title, your help would be much appreciated

      • Georg says

        Aug 1, 2015 at 10:30 am

        I agree about Andy Chowdery being a useful heuristic demonstrating Islam’s fruit. The quip by Robert, “how do you know if you haven’t read it” was the intellectual equivalent to watching a cocroach scramble after the lights are turned on; Anjem’s response, paraphrasing, “Because someone said so” can only be described as Islamic.

        The pointing out of abysmal turnouts for anti IS/terrorist/Islamist demonstrations is plainly damning, and no amount of equivocating or well-wishing makes those demonstrations what they aren’t. The poll numbers are eaually damning. Muslims cannot make their religion un-Islamic, as Andy Chowdery is so eager to remind us. And those opposed to Nazism in Germany at least had the excuse of imminent, extrajudicial killings of them and their families for voicing dissent — Muslims in the West are free of such a circumstance.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 11:14 am

      Wow. Choudary vs. Jasser: Bad Cop vs. Better Cop. I doubt, though, that this debate probed (much less exposed, as it should have) that level of the proceedings; more likely, it only served to reinforce Jasser’s utter disconnection, as a “Moderate Reformer”, who feels our pain about Islam, doncha know, from Choudary the “Extremist”. As I watch it, I hope to be surprised, but will not hold my breath.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 11:21 am

      Unlike most on here, I regard Choudhary and his ilk as essential to the early stages of the destruction of Islam (a.k.a. “moderate Islam”).

      I’m not sure why Peter Buckley says “unlike most here”. Most here don’t seem aware of the subtle, but significant, problem of the In-Your-Face Extremist like Chowderhead — which is, namely, that such “Extremists” tend to reinforce the TMOE meme (the Tiny Minority of Extremists) that continues to be the #1 way the mainstream West staves off facing the problem of Islam and all Muslims. When Chowderhead and his ilk display their obvious extremism, the mainstream looks on and comforts itself with the knowledge that this only represents a Tiny Minority (or, for the asymptotic, Somewhat Larger but Still Small Enough Minority, so as to Preserve our Ethical Narcissism and Spare Us the Anxiety of Being “Bigoted” against All Muslims). For every Chowderhead expressing Islam Straight No Chaser, there are multitudes of Muslims who reassure us that Islam is too “diverse” to be simplistically reduced to knuckleheads like Chowderhead — and the PC MCs tend to believe them even more, after seeing Chowderhead’s antics (because deep down inside, they need to believe them, for the same reason the asymptotic does as described above).

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 5:37 pm

        This is true–most in the West then look at the average Muslim Taqiyya artist and breath a sigh of relief that they aren’t like that “extremist” Choudary.

  3. Paul says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 7:30 am

    Ha ha ha love it! Anjem, you’re a hero. You’re completely insane, but
    in a time of great deceit and obfuscation you stand up and tell the truth
    about your religion. Don’t let anyone deter you and I for one am looking
    forward to your next appearance.

    • wildjew says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 8:16 am

      Indeed, compared to slippery CAIR spokesmen he is refreshing.

      • Paul says

        Aug 1, 2015 at 9:03 am

        This is a good video about Choudary and his inadvertent
        usefulness :

        • Georg says

          Aug 1, 2015 at 10:54 am

          Thanks for that link.

          10/10

        • Paul says

          Aug 1, 2015 at 11:49 am

          @Georg – I’m glad the link went down well

  4. Angemon says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 7:45 am

    Don’t miss the fireworks!

    Fireworks indeed!

    • Goat Pimp says

      Aug 2, 2015 at 4:31 am

      Robert really struck a nerve with ” Mohammed never existed”! That went up Choudery’s butt sideways.

      I believe that this is an important tact. If you show how inauthentic the Koran is (through historical facts, as Robert does) it undermines everything for the Muslim.

      The fact is the whole religion is based on nothing of value.

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 9:43 am

        Unfortunately, no amount of hard proof will impact muslims and persuade them of the utter worthlessness of their 1400 year old crime against humanity. If your ‘faith’ is the result of brainwashing, such as for islam (RTC) or AGW, you will likely become violent when it is soundly challenged.

  5. duh_swami says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 8:35 am

    Well, I can’t get sound…But I have seen the cast of characters before…Jasser is a slick taqiyya artist, Choudary doesn’t use much taqiyya…They both believe Allah is God, neither can be trusted…

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 11:28 am

      “Well, I can’t get sound…But I have seen the cast of characters before…Jasser is a slick taqiyya artist, Choudary doesn’t use much taqiyya…They both believe Allah is God, neither can be trusted…”

      Jasser is touted by Front Page Magazine (and Jamie Glazov, who works for them) and by Frank Gaffney as being a genuine Moderate Reformer. The “Better Cop” has been developed precisely to infiltrate the Counter-Jihad; and, unfortunately, we see that too often, this clever game of stealth works. While the Counter-Jihad is busy looking at Chowderhead with extremist clown makeup juggling his balls of radical Islam on his unicycle, Jasser is getting away with slier, smoother sleight-of-hand.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 1:03 am

        I think it hardly matters whether Jasser is genuine or not. He was kicked out of his Mosque for rejecting violent Jihad, and has been *unable to find any other Mosque that will accept him*. Not to find a Mosque that entirely agrees with him, mind you, but just one that will allow him to worship there.

        Jasser would not be a factor one way or the other, except that many hopeful Infidels want to believe that Muslim reform of Islam is a mainstream concept; alas, it *is not*.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 1:48 am

          Jasser matters to the extent that his meme is considered seriously, and such serious consideration reinforces many people’s inclination to trust innumerable Muslims.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 2:05 am

          That is just what I meant, Voeg.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 2:44 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “I think it hardly matters whether Jasser is genuine or not. He was kicked out of his Mosque for rejecting violent Jihad, and has been *unable to find any other Mosque that will accept him*. Not to find a Mosque that entirely agrees with him, mind you, but just one that will allow him to worship there.”

          IIRC, Jasser claims he wasn’t, and he accused Pamela of making that up.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 5:52 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          IIRC, Jasser claims he wasn’t, and he accused Pamela of making that up.
          …………………………………

          Hi, Angemon. Perhaps I should have said “driven out” rather than “kicked out”, although this is a rather fine point.

          Here’s what happened, in Jasser’s own words:

          “Bullied for Criticizing Hamas by Own Mosque: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser”

          http://www.clarionproject.org/blog/hamas/bullied-criticizing-hamas-own-mosque-dr-zuhdi-jasser

          Pretty ugly–uglier, in fact, than just being asked to leave over a difference of opinion. My understanding is that he and his family left the Mosque after this intimidation. He may claim that Pamela Geller was wrong to say he was kicked out, but this is a small point of semantics.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 7:07 pm

          2014? That happened after what I was referring to:

          http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/02/american_islamists_find_common.html

          “I have never been thrown out of any mosque – let alone the mosque that I and my family have attended for years, and continue to attend. My family and I have been involved positively in several mosque projects which I have discussed openly on numerous occasions. I have also proudly engaged in numerous debates with leaders of certain mosques across the country, and I will continue to critique the ideas of various mosque leaders including our own as necessary and the reluctance and refusal of many of them to deviate from Islamism. Geller’s claim is a fabrication.”

          Pamela stated, afterwards, that she got that from Dr. Andrew Bostom:

          http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/02/where_are_all_the_jassers.html

          “On several points Jasser accuses me of fabrication. On my statement that he was thrown out of his mosque, Jasser says: “I have never been thrown out of any mosque – let alone the mosque that I and my family have attended for years, and continue to attend.” My source for this was Dr. Andrew Bostom, who had it, he said, on good authority. I don’t know who might be protecting whom in this case, but I passed along the information in good faith. That is also true of Jasser’s disputing of my statement that Geert Wilders “refused to meet with Jasser because Wilders ‘doesn’t meet with Muslims’. That never happened, according to Wilders.” Bostom informed me of this also; if Jasser’s story differs, I believe Bostom.“

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm

          Hmmmmm….Angemon, in the article you link to, Jasser is just referred to as saying that his Mosque attendance is something non-Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to talk about.

          This seems to be the article where he denies being kicked out of his Mosque:

          http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/02/american_islamists_find_common.html

          Here he describes his experiences with the “Flying Imams”. That they were heavily involved with his Mosque, in fact, rather argues against the idea of the existence of any sort of “moderate” Islam, if this was the best local Mosque he could find.

          http://www.meforum.org/1809/exposing-the-flying-imams

          Now it seems possible that Jasser may have been driven out of the Mosques he was attending on at least two separate occasions.

          I’ve dug around a bit, and so far haven’t found anything definitive. But thanks for letting me know that Jasser has denied being driven out of his Mosque (on the first occasion, in any case).

        • Angemon says

          Aug 3, 2015 at 4:16 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “Hmmmmm….Angemon, in the article you link to, Jasser is just referred to as saying that his Mosque attendance is something non-Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to talk about.

          This seems to be the article where he denies being kicked out of his Mosque:

          http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2011/02/american_islamists_find_common.html”

          Huh, that’s the first of the articles I linked to, GI (the second being Pamela’s response).

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 3, 2015 at 6:26 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          Huh, that’s the first of the articles I linked to, GI (the second being Pamela’s response).
          ………………………

          Sorry, Angemon—I had missed that.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 4, 2015 at 11:56 am

          “He may claim that Pamela Geller was wrong to say he was kicked out, but this is a small point of semantics.”

          Sophists tend to make a big deal out of semantics for purposes of bad faith; your friend Angemon ought to know.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 4, 2015 at 12:04 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Sophists tend to make a big deal out of semantics for purposes of bad faith; your friend Angemon ought to know.”

          Yeah, I’ve seen you doing that a lot:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/06/reza-aslan-claims-anti-fascist-pope-pius-xi-was-a-fascist#comment-1078602

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/jihadi-john-flees-the-islamic-state#comment-1274002

          Now we got that out of the way, feel free to carry on your jihad against me, voeg – just don’t expect to get any traction when reply and you start complaining about how I’ve been “attacking” you.

    • duh_swami says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 2:47 pm

      -If Jasser is a moderate, I would like to listen in when he explains his moderation to Allah…

      • Qur'an is Haram says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 4:37 am

        Allah doesn’t exist

        • Richard says

          Aug 3, 2015 at 8:54 am

          Allah is satan.

  6. Isabella says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 9:46 am

    UK: Kick out Anjem Choudary fromyour country. This guy means trouble only. It is insane the words that come out from that individual. Unreal…

    • Paul says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 12:36 pm

      I’d agree with the word “insane”, but he’s just a good devout
      Muslim, which I know amounts to the same thing. People
      must understand that. The calmer and more rational
      “moderates” believe in the same god of the Koran and are
      bound by the same laws, they want the same things as he
      does but nobody calls them insane. If they don’t want those
      things then they’re not really good Muslims.

  7. Bassam says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 10:24 am

    But Jasser; Is it even possible for you to deny the Quran itself which is clear in its calls for supremacy and savagery against infidels, and even ordinary Muslims?

  8. Bassam says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 10:35 am

    Again, to Jasser: You know who used to kill women and elederly in a very cowardly way? Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, and his biography is clear. Read it. Islam can not be reformed. I think the West should apply Sharia laws on Muslim ands when they occupy them and force Muslims to abandon Islam exactly as Sharia originally spread across the ancient world. Apply Sharia on Muslims and see if they like it (espcially when it comes to raping conquered women which is a law in the Quran.

  9. voegelinian says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Watching the video exchange. Jasser’s opening statement — his defense of Islam against other “Islams” — is a fabulously complex tissue of sophistry. Can his sophistry survive a simple exercise of doing the math? In his first part, during which he is condemning the “Islamism” that is plaguing the world, he concedes that “hundreds of millions” of Muslims are following this “extremism”. Then in his second part of his opening statement, during which he is touting his fabulous construct of a Reform Islam that somehow goes back to the True Mohammed who was a holy Prophet of God, he claims that “the vast majority of Muslims” do not follow the “extremist” forms of Islam. Let’s do the math: Let’s say there are 1.5 billion Muslims, which = millions x 1,500. So yes, Jasser’s clever sleight-of-hand arithmetic works: If, say, at the very least 300 million Muslims are following “extremism”, that would be just barely enough to squeak by being characterized as “hundreds of millions” — leaving millions x 1,200 as the “vast majority” of Muslims Who Just Wanna Have a Sandwich (and who thus represent Jasser’s Great Hope for Reform). Even if Jasser grants, say, 400 million “extremists” — or 500, or 600 — he’s still slyly tryng to sell us the package deal of “Yes, I agree with you that there is a horrible problem in the Muslim world, but you must trust most Muslims who, like me, can live in your societies as we work out this painful, but ultimately hopeful Adventure of Reform of Islam!”

    And, unfortunately, there remain too many in the Counter-Jihad willing to take it for a spin and maybe buy it.

    Secondly, I noticed Jasser’s sleight-of-hand in action beginning at approximately 9 minutes 55 seconds of the video, when Glazov turns the spotlight on him immediately after Spencer pointed out two of the major, glaring problems (including Koran 9:14) with “reform” like Jasser’s. What did Jasser do at that crucial juncture? He deftly turned the attention back onto the Easy Extremist, Anjem Chowderhead (demonstrating my point that the Bad Cop is useful to the Good –,or, in Jasser’s case, the Better — Cop), and went on a righteous rant attacking his form of extremism — then only as a parenthetical afterthough, inadequately alluding to Spencer’s objection in vague terms (by now he hoped its specifics would have been forgotten by the viewer) and, of course, not really responding to them. When he was done, Glazov failed the viewer by continuing the focus on Chowderhead.

  10. Jack Diamond says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    The business of a Muslim (even a murtad) is protecting Islam at all costs. Jasser’s fallback positions for where “everything went wrong” are predictable, everything and anything but Muhammad and the Qur’an: “Islamism”did it; Wahhabism and the Brotherhood; it’s the hadiths that he has decided must be inauthentic; the jurists who came up with sharia law and decided Islam was somehow political, had something to do with government and war, and not some private spiritual journey. Of course sharia was just the codified understanding of what is in the Qur’an and Sunnah but the Perfect Man must be protected from all harm and defamation and rendered into another Jesus, prince of peace (albeit one who fought, but only righteous battles and only when attacked first). It’s all bunk (as in lacking any evidence) that clearly carries no weight with Muslims, a further indication it is bunk. Jasser is the kaffir’s favorite Muslim, only. To say there is a silent majority of Muslims who think like Jasser is both unprovable (because of their silence) and of no use to infidels (because of their silence)–besides being unlikely. He also implies that if kaffirs don’t go along with his narrative they are extremists as bad as Choudary–if you quote the Qur’an and ahadith and their mainstream orthodox interpretation you are somehow forcing Muslims to become jihadists, just like ISIS. Reformers “are lost between the two extremes.” This is sinister since it is dangerous for infidels to pretend Islam is other than it is.

    Jasser’s response to Jew-hatred in Islam is interesting. Jew-hating verses? Mistranslated. These were merely legalisms. After all, Muslims can marry Jews. Except, Muslim men only and only to raise the children as Muslims, a jihad of the wombs. These wives can even be treated kindly, but… “you will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who oppose (resist) Allah and His Messenger, even though they be their fathers, sons, brothers or kindred. “(58:22). No doubt another mistranslation. Like “kill” the disbelievers. Al walaa’ wal al-Baraa’? Baraa, hate and enmity for disbelievers? Poof, it’s gone. Jasser to the rescue.

  11. jewdog says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    Kudos to Zuhdi for pointing out that the jihadist aim of forcing universal Sharia compliance, by force if necessary, involves the arrogation of divine power onto a person, and is therefore a kind of blasphemy, at least in the Western sense. Yet, as Robert pointed out, that is mandated by the Qur’an, no doubt about it, which leaves Zuhdi in a quandary. This coercive moral imperative in Islam is where it becomes a threat, and not a normal religion.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 5:44 pm

      Jasser is slyly mistaken there. The Koran in a multitude of ways commands believers to execute his commands. Qital and Taqiyya through Jihad are commanded by Allah in the Koran. Jasser’s artful attempt at an end-run around that, through the entirely speculative idea of a supposedly unlawful/blasphemous transferral of divine fiat onto human agents, is sheer camelcrap. Everytime Better Cops (and their more transparent cousins, the Good Cops) open their mouths to “explain” Islam, they are urinating on our heads while telling us it is raining.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      “And you did not kill them, but it was Allah who killed them. And you threw not, when you threw, but it was Allah who threw that He might test the believers with a good test. Indeed, Allah is Hearing and Knowing (v. 17).” (Qur’an 8:17). Allah uses you (the Muslims) to kill for him. And when you killed them it was not you doing it, it was Allah.

      Muhammad certainly makes himself a partner with Allah, but that’s quite another matter…

      • Jack Diamond says

        Aug 1, 2015 at 8:08 pm

        As Robert says, Allah will punish them by your (Muslim) hand.
        Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

        “Allah states that He creates the actions that the servants perform and that whatever good actions they take, it is He Who should be praised for them, for He directed and helped them perform these actions. Allah said, (You killed them not, but Allah killed them) meaning, it is not because of your power and strength that you killed the pagans, who were many while you were few. Rather, it is He Who gave you victory over them, just as He said in another Ayah,
        Allah, the Exalted and Ever High, states that victory does not depend on numbers or collecting weapons and shields. Rather, victory is from Him, Exalted He is.

        Allah then mentioned the handful of sand that His Prophet threw at the disbelievers during the day of Badr, when he went out of his bunker. While in the bunker, the Prophet invoked Allah humbly and expressing his neediness before Allah. He then threw a handful of sand at the disbelievers and said, (Humiliated be their faces.) He then commanded his Companions to start fighting with sincerity and they did. Allah made this handful of sand enter the eyes of the idolators, each one of them were struck by some of it and it distracted them making each of them busy. Allah said,

        (And you threw not when you did throw, but Allah threw.)

        Therefore, it is Allah Who made the sand reach their eyes and busied them with it, not you (O Muhammad).”

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 1, 2015 at 8:37 pm

          Jack,
          That is a very impressive rendition of Islam verbatim.
          But what exactly is your point here?

        • Jack Diamond says

          Aug 1, 2015 at 9:26 pm

          The accusation of the arrogation of divine power onto a person as blasphemy. In fact, the Qur’an clearly says Allah is the divine power directing his human tool when the Muslim does such things as waging jihad, taking slaves, being harsh with hypocrites and apostates…all the things Jasser finds offensive and has to blame on human agents playing God and not simply their being slaves to Allah who ask no questions….

          The punishments of Allah (and that would include apostasy) “are executed by the Muslims on earth”, they are not men playing God and doing things for their own personal reasons. When they kill, Allah is killing through them. The Qur’an says it clearly. Just as it order Muslims to fight and kill, even though they may hate doing so.

          “You are the barbarian because you are acting as if you are God” Jasser accuses Choudary and the “fascists.” A statement true in a way Jasser does not intend considering Allah is very much a barbarian and considering acting for Allah (“as if you are Allah”, let’s say in concert with Allah) is called for by Allah. Because the Muslim fighting in the cause of Allah does not kill with his own hand. Allah is guiding the knife.

  12. Beth says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    Addressed to Mr. Jasser:

    What changes were made to the New Testament in the 17 and 18 hundreds?

    Answer: None. The letters of the Apostles (which make up the New testament) were never changed, but rather, were always very carefully preserved. Point being, to change the words of the Koran is to eliminate Islam altogether. Islam will eventuyally be eliminated – but not by changing the words of the Koran. Exposing the words of the Koran – will destroy Islam.

    My question to Choudary:

    What is the punishment in Islam for calling your very own prophet a liar?

  13. Richard says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    Robert, there is something I don’t get when you are debating a Muslim; You are always ‘attacking’ Islam on the basis of its own content. As a Christian I believe this is the weakest thing you can do, because through that you do give Islam the much needed credibility. It is my firm believe that as a Christian you must be able to expose a deceptive faith through measuring it against the Gospel of Christ which clearly exposes Islam as an false religion and Mohammed as a false Prophet. I give here some essential scriptures: 1 John 2:22-23,1 John 4:2-3 (KJV), Galatians 1:8, 2 Cor. 11:14 (Mohammed vs ‘Gabriel’), John 16:2, John 14:6

    Although I highly appreciate your knowledge about Islam, you are fighting this fight with the wrong weapons, the only weapon to demolish the diabolic stronghold of Islam that does work is the Gospel, as used by the Sprit of God which is supposed to be IN any believer who confesses Christ as Lord and Saviour. In the realm of Christianity I fear your saving knowledge of the Gospel is sincerely lacking and this results in trusting upon your own wisdom instead of being empowered by the Spirit of God through prayer. Some crucial scriptures: Zechariah 4:6,Proverbs 3:7, 2 Cor. 10:4-5, Ephesians 6:10-20, John 15:5, John 16:3, 2 Cor. 3:5, Galatians 2:20, John 8:32,36, Romans 8:14,19, Once again Robert only the Gospel as proclaimed by a spirit filled believer can demolish a spiritual stronghold. I highly would appreciate a personal response.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 2, 2015 at 1:26 am

      I respectfully disagree. Islam is exposed by its own vicious texts. Nothing so damns Islam to Infidels as laying bare what it is, exactly, that pious Muslims believe.

      That does not in any way indicate that this is what Robert Spencer believes, nor would anyone listening take it in such a way. This does not strengthen the veracity of Islam; it just exposes it.

      Besides, Robert Spencer is seeking the defense of the whole world against Islam, not just that of Christians.

      • JIMJFOX says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 2:59 am

        Very well put- reason and critical thought as opposed to Bible-thumping.

        I can’t see how Christians think their fantasies are in any way superior to those of Muslims…

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 1:48 pm

          Jim, even if one regards Christianity as being as fanciful as Islam, the *content* of any belief is of the greatest importance.

          How can you *not* deem the ethical tenets of Christianity–which, together with the influence of Judaism. form much of the moral underpinnings of the free West–to be vastly superior to the sanguinary and oppressive horror of Islamic law?

        • Western Canadian says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 6:53 pm

          In the simplest of possible terms:

          A devout follower of Judaism or Christianity, if they study and understand the concepts of their faiths and the roots of them, will respond by volunteering in a hospital or school, or similar way of serving their fellow men and women… If they have the resources they may build a hospital or school.

          A devout follower of islam (RTC), if they study and understand the concepts of their faith and it’s roots, will burn down the hospital or school, preferably when said institution is very much occupied.

          That is the difference. Hope that clears things up for you.

  14. jayell says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    I have unfortunately seen Choudhary in action before but haven’t watched this video yet because I haven’t taken my hypertension medication and I would rather not have the trouble of clearing up the mess after I’ve thrown something at the monitor screen. By all means show Chowdhary’s stand-up comedy routine, it’s a good laugh in its own nauseating way and certainly shows up the islamic mind perfectly, but please do NOT refer to him as a ‘London Man’. He does not LOOK like a ‘London Man’. He does not SOUND like a ‘London Man’. I was going to say that he does not THINK like a ‘London Man’ but that would be ridiculous because clearly he does not ‘think’ at all. He is a clueless, unhinged import from the Indian subcontinent currently polluting the London demographic, NOT a ‘London Man’. Please do not insult the good people of the English capital.

  15. Larry A. Singleton says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 6:47 pm

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    • Larry A. Singleton says

      Aug 1, 2015 at 6:48 pm

      Maybe I’m trying to post too much at once.

      Excerpt of Letter to Joseph Hennighan on Facebook–Questions for Muslims 8-1-15

      Part I

      “What the horn is to the rhinoceros, what the sting is to the wasp, the Mohammedan faith is to the Arabs of the Sudan-a faculty of offence. All the warlike operations of Mohammedan peoples are characterised by fanatacism” Winston Churchill

      “An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last. Victory will never be found by taking the line of least resistance.” Winston Churchill

      “While Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Parsees and Jews, along with several million adherents of an animistic religion, all coexisted in relative harmony, one religion that would not accept compromise stood out from the rest: Islam.” Mahatma Gandhi

      At one time I didn’t know diddly about this “Islam thing” or issues related to Israel and the Middle East until I happened to read The Haj by Leon Uris and Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabriel almost back to back. Long story short I gave Islam and Muslims a “clean slate” in my own mind and addressed this issue the same way I did my racism as a youth: I read some books. When I was sixteen I was chanting nam yo ho renge kyo to a piece of paper, (gahonzen?), having NO idea what I was doing. A few years later, hair down to my ass and a knapsack on my back, I hitchhiked cross country, got saved in Nashville Tenn. and went to live on a Christian farm in Mansfield Ohio. (Not the prison.) My gra’mom called me a “seeker”. As I said, there came a time recently when I wanted to understand this “religion of peace”.

      The books I ordered were The Koran: Pickthall, Holy Qur’an with Commentary: Maulana Muhammad Ali, The Meaning of the Koran: Abdullah Yusuf Ali Translated by Prof. Syed Vickar Ahmed, The Second Message of Islam by Mahmoud Mohamed Taha, Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, Summarized Sahih al-Bukhari Published by Dar-Us-Salam and Abdul Malik Mujahid (and the crappiest “refernce book with no Index I’ve ever seen. The hadiths don’t match up with those I hear quoted on the Internet.) and Slavery, Terrorism and Islam and Holocaust in Rwanda by Peter Hammond.

      Hammond’s book has proved the most valuable and one I reach for the most…..AFTER I’d studied those others above. Obviously I didn’t read these cover to cover. I didn’t study under an Imam as one Imam suggested I do and I don’t know Arabic which doesn’t matter and really pisses me off when I hear that “you can’t understand or appreciate the Koran unless you can read Arabic”. Which means that 99.9% of the Muslims on this planet don’t understand or appreciate it either.

      I read Taha’s Second Message of Islam; front to back. I attacked it with pen and hi-liter like I do every book and article I’ve ever read in the last fifteen years that I’ve been attacking with pen and hi-liter. (I go through a TON of pens and hi-liters.)

      I found this in Taha’s book: “we may describe it, (jihad), as a surgeon’s lancet and not a butcher’s knife”. (I usually add “I’m sure there are about 200 million dead people that would disagree with him”.)

      And this in Reliance of the Traveller: Chapter O-9.0: Jihad O: “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion”. (To which I add, “And explain why the “greater” jihad is only mentioned once here and never seen again in this “Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”.)

      Listen closely: On The DAY I had finished reading Emmet Fox’ book The Sermon on the Mount the Summarized Bukhari came in the mail and I read the article “Jihad in the Qur’an and Sunnah” by Sheikh Abdullâh bin Muhammad bin Humaid, ex-chief justice of Saudi Arabia that was in that book.

      Question for Muslims:

      Explain this articles prominence, and significance almost as an
      “Introduction”, in a book, my Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari, and tell me….

      ….WHY, out of all the articles, out of all the words of pearly Muslim poetry and wisdom the publishers could have put in this, “the most authentic and true among the books of the Prophet”, this article on JIHAD is the one they chose?

      Also

      If Islam is the “religion of peace”, where in Sheikh Abdullah bin Humaid’s article on jihad can I find the equivalent of “Love Thy Neighbor” and “good will toward men”?

      Compare Humaid’s “jihad” and Emmet Fox’ Sermon on the Mount and tell me which one best represents a spirit of Love and “compassion”

      Also address “jihad” as it’s defined in Reliance of the Traveller and answer the same question. (Chapter O-9.0: Jihad O: “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.”) And explain why the “greater” jihad is only mentioned once here and never seen again in this “Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”.

      I’ve posted this hundreds of times to many Muslims and have yet to get a single response. Well, I did receive a response from some goofball named “Dr.” Mohsen El-Guindy asking me to read his books. Instead I downloaded a bunch of his articles. Which were pure rants. An Imam, sidestepped it by telling me I had to “study Islam” to gain a greater understanding.

      If you want an example of the Muslim “success story”. If you want a perfect illustration of what defines Muslims and Islam, it’s past and its present, and counter the claims that Muslims “promote peace and tolerance” with those outside the Muslim Community, and the claim that “radicals pervert the Koran through omission and false interpretation” read the following:

      The 4th Conference of the Academy of Islamic Research: Arab Theologians on Jews and Israel. Sept. 1968. Translated by D.F. Green/David G. Littman (Support Secure Freedom) Front to back; 95 pages of outrageous lies, inversion and vile Jew-Hatred. I’ve read this whole thing. I invite you to find any comparison with Jewish, Christian or Buddhist “Conferences” or similar events. See the Declaration of War titled “Resolutions and Recommendations” on page 73. I use Sheikh Abdullah bin Humaid’s article on jihad, and it’s place as an “Introduction” in the Sahih Al Bukhari submitted in this flyer, as “Exhibit A” when it comes to refuting the “religion of peace” claim. “The 4th Conference…” could easily be Exhibit B.
      http://supportsecurefreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/Arab-Theologians-on-Jews-and-Israel-4th_Ed_082011.pdf

      Hajj Amin Husseini’s Anti-Semitic Legacy by Boris Havel (Middle East Quarterly)
      http://www.meforum.org/5318/hajj-amin-antisemitism#_ftn3

      “The First and Last Enemy: Jew Hatred in Islam.” by Andrew G. Bostom
      http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28549

      • Larry A. Singleton says

        Aug 1, 2015 at 6:49 pm

        Part II

        I had made a special effort to get Koran with a “moderate” viewpoint and found Maulana Mahammad Ali’s Qur’an with Commentary.

        It was a lucky pick for a lot of reasons I won’t go into except to say that you can find the “kinder, gentler” interpretations of verses like 4:24

        4:24 And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (are forbidden)

        Footnote: 4:24a. It sometimes happened that such prisoners became converts to Islåm, and therefore they could not be sent back. Such women it was lawful to take in marriage, even though they might not have been divorced formally by their former husbands….. It is thus forbidden to a man that he should marry a woman who is already married. An exception is made, however, regarding those whom your right hands possess, by which expression are generally meant in the Holy Qur’ån those who are taken prisoners in war.

        It’s almost as if this is giving a cartoon version like Vikings carrying off damsels or Disneyland’s Pirates of the Caribbean carrying around the “wenches” and dancing on kegs of rum. See the “myjihad” campaign by the terrorist front group CAIR and ask yourself why this special effort? (And why them?)

        The reality is these women were the wives, sisters and daughters of Jews who were probably raped next to the dead, slaughtered bodies of their husbands, brothers and sons. Or at the very least, kidnapped and taken back to wherever after they’d slaughtered their husbands, fathers and brothers leaving their heads and bodies in a “trench”.

        Or 5:32 (Ali) “whoever kills a person….it is as though he had killed all men” or “mankind” (Pickthall)

        And claim it’s talking about non-Muslims, conveniently leaving out the part about “for the Children of Israel”.

        Here’s the link for English Translation of the Holy Quran with Commentary by Maulana Muhammad Ali:
        http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/quran.htm

        But it was the footnoted for 9:33 that made my hair stand on end where it talks of the “triumphant spread of Islam”. What it fails to mention is The Muslim Slave Trade which alone was responsible for over a hundred million deaths. Most were those who never made it to the slave markets. The mortality rates for slaves dying in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!

        9:33 He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth that He may make it prevail over all religions, though the polytheists are averse. (My Note: In other words; accept Islam or die.)

        Footnote: 9:33a. The prophecy of the ultimate triumph of Islåm in the whole world is repeated thrice in the Holy Qur’ån, in exactly the same words here and in 48:28 and 61:9.……In Arabia itself, Islåm became triumphant in the lifetime of the Holy Prophet. Idolatry was wiped out from the face of the country, (My Note: and so were all the idolaters.) while many of the Jews and Christians accepted the Religion of Truth. (My Note: With a sword hanging over their necks.) The Prophet’s death, instead of putting any check to the advance of Islåm, was a signal for an unparalleled advance of his religion. The first century of the Muslim era saw, not only vast Christian communities swelling the ranks of Islåm, in Egypt, North Africa, Asia Minor, Persia and Central Asia, but also brought to light the amazing fact that Islåm, coming in contact with all the great religions of the world, with Zoroastrianism in Persia, with Buddhism and Hinduism in India and Afghanistan, and with Confucianism in China, conquered the hearts of the followers of every religion and they accepted the message of Truth in vast numbers, so that great Muslim communities sprang up in the whole known world, and the light of Islåm enlightened the whole world from the farthest East to the farthest West. The reason for this triumph, unprecedented in the history of religion, is not far to seek. It was the Religion of Truth; it presented the whole truth and infused a new life into all people who accepted it, while every other religion presented only partial truth.

        I’d like to see one single example of Muslims taking over a town by dancing in the streets tossing rose petals in the air and handing out religious tracts. It’s incredible how Ali tries to make it sound like Christianity, which had it’s dark moments in history, but was primarily spread by God’s Word. Islam was a virtual plague of death where the mosques were built on top of the burned and destroyed churches and the bodies of raped and beheaded populations. The perfect rebuttal to this bald-faced lie is “Islam as a Vehicle for Arab Supremacism” by Hugh Fitzgerald

        I subscribe to Good News Magazine and Biblical Archaeology. In the latter is an article titled The Fluid Bible by Sidnie White Crawford. And what I got from that was, even when there are “mistakes”, Hebrew scripture is consistent all the way down the line. I remember the pilot in a Columbo episode where one of the characters refers to Columbo and says “He’d even look for flaws in the Old Testament”. In other word; you can’t find any.

        In Peter Hammond’s Slavery, Terrorism and Islam he’s got a chapter called “The Sources of Islam” and a segment called “Evaluating the Quran”. Down the side of the page I wrote, ala Batman, “Pow”, next to these paragraphs by men who have studied the Koran and their evaluations of the Koran.

        Edward Gibbon in his Decline and Fall “…an incoherent rhapsody of fable and precept declamation”. Volume III, Chapter L, P-86

        Philosopher David Hume, “Muhammad bestows praise upon such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge and bigotry as are utterly incompatible with civilized society….and every action is blamed or praised so far only as it is beneficial to the Muslims”.

        Thomas Carlyle, “A wearisome jumble, crude, incondite with endless iterations…long-windedness…nothing but a sense of duty could carry any European through the Koran”.

        Gerd Puin, so skilled with Arabic that Yemen entrusted him with the analysis of extremely old copies of the Koran wrote “The Quran claims for itself that it is ‘mubeen’ or clear. But if you look at it you wil notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn’t make sense…the fact is that a fifth of the Quranic text is just incomprehensible…If the Quran is not comprehensible—if it can’t even be understood in Arabic—then it is not translatable….And since the Quran claims repeatedly to be clear but obviously is not—as even speakers of Arabic will tell you—there is a contradiction.”

        Even Muslim intellectuals such as the Iranian Ali Dashti have found the literary style of the Quran to be defective: “The Quran contains sentences which are incomplete and unintelligible without…commentaries…illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent…more than 100 Quranic aberrations from Arabic’s normal rules have been noted”.

        • RichardL says

          Aug 2, 2015 at 2:10 am

          The problem with making islam different from all other religions in the public discourse is this idiotic but globally completely accepted idea that we need to treat everything equally. That is of course rubbish: we need to treat everything and everything according how we value it.

          Puin is an interesting guy: he never made full professor and always stayed a simple lecturer, despite his enormous (ongoing) contributions to koran exegesis.

        • Beth says

          Aug 4, 2015 at 2:15 pm

          Great post. I can relate to much of what you have written. (Did you know that King David went out into the world, looking for the Lord – and he did not find Him? He searched every where – left no stone unturned – but he returned home empty-handed – only to find that the Lord was at his home the whole time – in His Word. This happened to me. I was relieved when I read about King David’s experience – for I started to believed that maybe I was not worthy of Him when I finally gave up on my search – which lasted for about 30 years.)

          Something that I wanted to share…

          “….WHY, out of all the articles, out of all the words of pearly Muslim poetry and wisdom the publishers could have put in this, “the most authentic and true among the books of the Prophet”, this article on JIHAD is the one they chose?”

          Psa 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords. [This is Islam]

          It is written that you will know what is in the heart by the words that come from the mouth. And in this case, by their selection.

          “I’ve posted this hundreds of times to many Muslims and have yet to get a single response.”

          You will never receive a response that will clarify or justify their religion, because such a response does not exist. It never has and it never will.

          “”An Imam, sidestepped it by telling me I had to “study Islam” to gain a greater understanding.

          To which my reply is…

          What is the punishment in Islam for calling your very own prophet a liar?

          Commanded in their Koran…

          Beheadings……………………….047.004 (That would be Chapter 47, verse 4)
          Gang Rape………………………..033.052
          Crucifixions……………………..005.033
          Robbery………………………….008.041
          Telling lies to non-muslims………..003.028
          Cutting off hands and feet…………005.033
          Treason………………………….008.067
          Racism…………………………..005.041
          Mass Murder………………………009.005 – 033.061

          There is no justification for those preachings. None at all.

          There is also this….

          The Koran calls the Son of God an abomination and all of His eye witnesses (the apostles) liars:

          009.030
          037.151
          037.152
          019.088
          019.089

          The New Testament tells us:

          1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

          And so, the conclusion is – Islam is the anti-Christ. One body, made up of many members. Just as the body of Christ is (made up of many members) – so is the anti-Christ. And to bow to the anti-Christ – is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit – of which there is no forgiveness for – ever. Not in this world, nor in the one to come.

          The image of Christ – is the Gospel…

          2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine [speak] unto them.

          Rev 13:15 And he [Satan] had power to give life unto the image [a gospel] of the beast, that the image [book] of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image [book] of the beast should be killed. [I ask – What other book on earth fits with what we are witnessing today? None, other than the Koran]

          I wanted to share all of this because I believed you would probably be able to relate – and would be interested in reading it.

          Beth

      • Angemon says

        Aug 1, 2015 at 8:32 pm

        Larry A. Singleton posted:

        “Maybe I’m trying to post too much at once.”

        Yeah, that happened to me a couple of times.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 1, 2015 at 8:44 pm

          I have not seen this issue so much with long paragraphs that I have occasionally posted as with posting of more than one link in a comment.

      • RonaldB says

        Aug 2, 2015 at 5:35 pm

        For Larry Singleton,

        Your research is fascinating and shows a strong sense of duty.

        The problem is, the Muslims by and large won’t listen to you, any more than Choudary listened to Spencer’s clear and precise exposition that NO written record of Muhammad existed prior to 200 years after his supposed death.

        Similarly, most non-Muslims simply can’t be bothered to research the details of Islam. The American people aren’t stupid, so there is a natural antipathy towards Islam, but their approach is intuitive rather than intellectual.

        The government officials who supposedly have responsibility for America’s security…they have no responsibility to truth or integrity. Power seems to be the common coin for them, and they look to the power of the president and the Republican money establishment.

  16. RonaldB says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    I think it’s interesting to speculate on the motives of Anjem Choudary for appearing on a program which is clearly stacked against him. Although Jasser is sincere, he blows smoke and his arguments simply don’t make logical sense. However, Spencer can clearly demolish Choudary in front of any objective audience, particularly if given sufficient time to develop his arguments himself.

    Stephen Coughlin in “Catastrophic Failure”,

    http://www.amazon.com/Catastrophic-Failure-Blindfolding-America-Jihad/dp/1511617500/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438483148&sr=8-1&keywords=catastrophic+failure

    describes “threat analysis” as the traditional methodology used by intelligence to predict the actions of the enemy by mapping their intentions and philosophy to their capability.

    Choudary is not addressing anti-jihadists or objective listeners. He’s not addressing secular Muslims. He doesn’t really care about replying objectively to Spencer’s arguments. Choudary is addressing himself to Muslims who are psychologically ready to act in accordance with Islam. These people may be a minority of Muslims, but they are the cutting edge of the sword. The fate of any society or country will be determined by small, organized, dedicated groups. Choudary, in other words, is shilling for followers for jihad. He doesn’t care if non-Muslims or inactive Muslims disagree with him or hate him.

    Jasser gives an inchoate argument for personal Islam. Again, I have no doubt he is sincere, but why would any Muslim follow a personal, non-political Islam when the essence of Islam is coercive and political? More important, 10 fervent jihadists will trump 100 wishy-washy Muslims every time in effecting their objectives: spread Islam and enforcement of Islamic law.

    Will Jasser support completely cutting off further Muslim immigration to Western countries? There is no other way to eliminate the immanent danger of Islamic stealth jihad leading to violent enforcement of Islamic law and customs. Is Jasser willing to go that far? If Jasser makes a statement that immigration of any further Muslims should be eliminated, it would be difficult to accuse Jasser of any ulterior motives in spreading Islam. If Jasser would not make such a statement, we are still in the position of seeing a person who is likely sincere, but not necessarily so, as any solutions he proposes would be demonstrably useless.

    • RichardL says

      Aug 2, 2015 at 2:01 am

      I agree with everything you say, but I think you don’t accept your own analysis: Jasser’s islam is inchoate and personal and therefore he doesn’t have a structured and logical response to biggest problem of our time: stealth jihad.

      I would be interested to hear Dr Jasser’s response to my idea of completely banning political islam, i.e. banning islam from the polis. No mosques, no beards, skull caps etc. Headbanging only in private houses up to a certain group size. He should support it as he is against political islam.

  17. More Ham Ed says

    Aug 1, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    Quote “Islam has, arguably, at least as good a record as…”

    Nothing like REAL FACTS to dispel the islamic imagination. You’re stuck in Islam and you’re punished if you try and leave it, therefore we get the daily whitewashing, lies, excuses, deflection.

    FACTS:

    26561 ISLAMIC deadly terror attacks since 9/11.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Even the we-like-islam Pew Forum states that upwards of 400 million worldwide believe in the death penalty for leaving islam.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

    TRACEABLE FACTS.

  18. RichardL says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 1:53 am

    Great debate. Three people speaking the truth as they see it. Choudary is my favourite jihadi because he is polite and therefore comes across as reasonable. He thus shows that his islam is identical to the IS islam.

    Everytime I see or speak to people like Dr Jasser I have the same problem: they believe in an islam that doesn’t exist and has never existed. Why do they insist on calling it islam? Why not become Jews or Christians?

    More debates like this, please. So much better than the Hannity interviews with Choudary because Robert stays calm and polite.

  19. gravenimage says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 2:23 am

    Many excellent points from Robert Spencer.

    I believe the most salient one, though, may have been his comment that if all three of the commenters were in the same room together, that Chaudary would try to murder himself and Jasser. Note he did not deny this.

    One other point, though a minor one–Jasser’s posing seated on a chartreuse couch was most unfortunate, reflecting a sickly green onto his face and giving him the appearance of being on the verge of throwing up throughout the show. Inadvertently quite telling.

  20. Derek says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 2:49 am

    Is that anjems wife sleeping in the background, with black burka and white top?

  21. Mark says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Jasser as usual tries to whitewash and rewrite islam…. something THAT ALL taqqiya artists do.

    He has no bassis for his arguments at all.

  22. Mark says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    As for choudary…. the time for his lying for his master satan,, his gloating, his depraved, corrupt and evil lying nature will come to an end on judgement day.. when he will be sent to be with his master allah (satan) for eternity.

  23. Mark says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    Choudary is allowed to interrupt far too much.

  24. Mark says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    I am now consideering if its worthwhile watching anymore of these videos due to the fact that choudary is not stopped from interrupting.

  25. Concerned Citizen says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    Every time I see Muslim extremists reasoning behind all of the atrocities, they state that it’s because they fight against the non believers and they are to implement Sharia Law all over the world AND they say it’s because of the US’ aggressions toward the Middle East. Which one is it? I believe they would be committing these heinous acts even if we didn’t go over to Iraq and Afghanistan! They have been doing this for 1400 years!!

  26. andrew sapia says

    Aug 2, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    why can’t a drone ever find Anjem’s house.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Aug 3, 2015 at 12:23 am

      It’s a crime to destroy public property . . .

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