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Detroit: Iraqi Christian refugees from Muslim persecution protest proposed mosque

Aug 29, 2015 5:54 pm By Robert Spencer

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“One Chaldean speaker denounced the Muslims as ‘killers’ and warned that the Muslims will do to America ‘what they did in Iraq.'” This the jihad-enabling author Ray Hanania describes as “Islamophobia,” but the Chaldean speaker speaks from experience. Who can say that his or her experience is not valid? Who is Ray Hanania to ascribe their concerns to hatred and bigotry, breezily dismissing their harrowing memories — memories of persecution far more horrifying than anything any victim of “Islamophobia” has ever suffered? Who can say that Muslims will not do to America what they did in Iraq? Can Ray Hanania guarantee that won’t happen? Can Robert McCaw? Can anyone? If not, then after all they’ve been through, can anyone really blame these refugees for opposing a mosque?

Yet most Christian leaders in the U.S. would side with Hanania and dismiss these people as “Islamophobic bigots,” and demand that the mosque be approved, without any idea of what might be coming in the future.

“Community protests building of mosque in Detroit suburb,” by Ray Hanania, Arab Daily News, August 28, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

Whenever the building of a mosque is proposed in an American community it automatically explodes into a heated public debate characterized by racist, anti-Muslim comments from “Americans” who claim that it will attract terrorism and undermine this country.

But a proposal to build a mosque in Sterling Heights, a suburb of Detroit Michigan, not only drew the same Islamophobia, but also had one unique aspect, a growing number of Middle East and Arabic speaking Christians who joined in protesting and demanding that the mosque plan, for a property located at 4935 15 Mile Road, should be blocked.

The mosque proposal was made by the American Islamic Community Center (AICC) based in the nearby suburb of Madison Heights more than a year ago to the Sterling Heights Planning Commission, but was presented to the public at a Planning Commission meeting on August 13.

Hundreds of people attended the Planning Commission, forcing the commission to delay the vote on the mosque for another month. The Planning Commission will reconsider the Mosque plan at its next meeting on September 10, 2015.

The proposal was raised again during the public comment segment at the end of the August 18, 2015 meeting of the Sterling Heights City Council meeting, where more than 25 people spoke against the mosque and only a few said it was disgraceful that with so many Christian Churches, that Muslims could not have a house of worship, too.

One speaker protesting against the mosque told the Sterling City Council board said when he identified himself at the Planning Commission meeting claimed that he was harassed and bullied after speaking out against the Mosque. Several other speakers said they are afraid to identify themselves and give their home addresses because of alleged retaliation.

Mayor Taylor said he would not require speakers to give their home addresses but they have to identify their names.

Speaker after speaker threatened the board members urging them to step in and take over the mosque proposal, although the mayor, Michael Taylor, said that the City Council has no authority over the plan, or face being thrown out of office int he next election. Taylor was appointed mayor to fill the remaining term of former Mayor Richard Notte, who was serving his 11th two-year term as the city’s mayor when he died on October 2014 at age 76 from pancreatic cancer.

The next election is November 2, 2015.

One Chaldean speaker denounced the Muslims as “killers” and warned that the Muslims will do to America “what they did in Iraq.”…

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  1. mortimer says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    Does the Chaldean Assyrian church know Islamic terrorism? Do Italians know a hundred types of pasta?

    The Assyrian Christians have been dubbed ‘The Martyr Church’ due to the fact they have been persecuted by Muslims for 1300 years.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 6:15 am

      Yes to the Chaldean speaker and all others who are protesting!

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 11:43 am

        Many terrorists can be traced back to a mosque. The government seems not to care though.
        ALL mosque should be monitored but the government won’t do it. The Muslims are using our freedoms against us.What needs to be done is to recognize the FACT that Islam is not a religion.It is a CULT Therefore they should have no right to freedom of religion but of course nothing will be done,as usual the ones that are supposed to protect us aren’t going to.How did we allow this to happen????

        • tamimisledus says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 8:33 pm

          muslim terror can always be traced back to a mosque, as that is where islam, the doctrine of terror against non-muslims is taught, day after day, after day.

  2. mortimer says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    Mosques can be stopped in most communities using the by-laws in place due to the lack of proper parking or other infrastructure.

    Mosques immediately created parking problems by clogging streets several times a day. Mosques become centers for Sharia vigilantes who expect to take over the neighborhoods and enforce Islamic culture.

  3. celticwarriorcanada says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    These Persecuted Christian Refugees , who have Experienced the True Face of Islam ;are no doubt a great threat to the ” islam is a religion of peace ” deception, propagated by western politicians . No wonder they get detained for so long ,while muslim refugees get the green light immediately,and all the best seats.One can only hope that The Warning: by these Christian Refugees, will be heeded by the people in the west . But I’m not going to hold my breath ; as SEE NO EVIL HEAR NO EVIL ,seems to prevail these days!

  4. Green Infidel says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    A few years back, while for a short stay in the US, I spent time in Sterling Heights visiting friends of my family. I was told then, that there were lots of Chaldaean Christian refugees from Iraq who had settled in the area.

    Great to see them in action now, giving a testimony of their first-hand experience living in a society dominated by the “Religion of Peace”!

    • Rev g says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 11:53 am

      I work less than 2 miles from this proposed atrocity, live about 10 miles away.
      I was raised in Dearborn and Sterling Hts. This area is starting to rival Dearborn and Hamtramck .

      • Green Infidel says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 1:22 pm

        Hamtrack – an area which, not so long ago, was apparently known more for its Polish sausages than any presence of the “Religion of Peace”… what a difference a decade or two makes, eh?

        • rev g says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 1:34 pm

          As a young teen I worked as a stock boy at a Kowalski’s. Smaczne!

      • Jon says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 6:53 pm

        When I first came to Australia 50 odd years ago I knew many Lebanese. They were all Christians and a damned fine hard-working bunch they were too. They learned English quickly and assimilated easily.
        Since the civil wars of the ’70s in Lebanon a wrong-headed government of the day invited all the warring factions and their families to come to Australia and while away their time until peace arrived. Peace arrived but the Muslims stayed, mostly living on welfare, crime and nursing the same old hatreds that drove them away from Lebanon in the first place. Their kids became crime lords and still lived by the same old Koranic codes relating to women, kufars and the law generally. Now that the Middle East has again turned into the quagmire it is, those kids are going back to join the new fight. Let them go, I say, and take their parents and grand parents with them.
        If only we could turn back the clocks……………:-(

  5. abad says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Number One:

    Michigan does NOT need any more mosques.

    Number Two:

    Detroit – I could write a book here but won’t – does not need any more mosques nor Muslims. Muslims have completely trashed Detroit with their destructive ways.

    Number Three:

    Our next POTUS better have a backbone and send these you-know-whats back to Riyadh.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 29, 2015 at 9:02 pm

      To abad- I take it you are from, or know southern Michigan. I did a little sleuthing on the internet and learned that 1) there is something called the American Muslim Diversity Association in Sterling Heights, and they have prayer times and guest speakers, couldn’t that be termed a “mosque”?; 2) Sterling Heights, MI was rated recently as one of the safest cities in MI; 3) The area is known as “Little Baghdad” for its many immigrants from Iraq, both Muslim Arab and Chaldean Christian, as well as Vietnamese, Egyptian, Yemeni, Iranian and Palestinian; 4) Madison Heights is 10 miles southwest of Sterling Heights (not a long driving distance); 5) Proponents of the mosque also said there won’t be a lot of traffic problems, but the plans call for seating of 325 people with 130 parking spaces, a fact that many in that neighborhood think will cause traffic problems; 6) I am happy that so many Christians came out to speak against this mosque because they don’t want to see Islam expand in the US, and neither do I. And I don’t care if anyone calls me an Islamophobe. I hate Islam, I don’t hate Muslims.

      • Budvarakbar says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 12:43 am

        ” I hate Islam, I don’t hate Muslims.”

        Delusional statement! — let us know when you find that ‘moderate muslim. Here’s a hint: they will be the ones holding you down while your head is being sawed off!!

        • mortimer says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 2:25 am

          Muslims are only practicing Muslims or non-practicing ‘hypocrites’ who pretend to be Muslims.

          Most Muslims today practice ‘Islam à la carte’…a ‘cafeteria Islam’ for picky eaters who like having a nice cold beer with their bacon sandwich.

          The sinful, but nice ‘moderate’ Muslims can be radicalized by an inspiring sermon or whatever. But they can be ‘raised from the dead’ and turned into jihadists under the right conditions.

          35% of Muslims in the West are now ‘cultural Muslims’. About 60% in Europe and 40% in America are on the side of jihad.

        • ECAW says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 2:41 am

          ” I hate Islam, I don’t hate Muslims.”

          That would be in line with the Christian view about hating the sin but not the sinner, wouldn’t it?

          Are you saying that we should hate Muslims Budvarakbar?

          I don’t. I loathe Mohammed and his creations Allah and Islam but that’s as far as it goes.

          I don’t hate Muslims any more than my dad hated Gerry (ie Germans) but he regarded them as his enemy. I regard all Muslims as my potential enemies and those who take Mohammed’s example seriously as my probable enemies (the problem is telling t’other from which, although wearing pyjamas during the day and cultivating a bump on the forehead seem to be clues).

          But hate – that’s more personal isn’t it? I daresay my attitude would change though if my family were affected by a jihadi atrocity.

        • oldwhiteguy says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 8:04 am

          I hate everyone who practices a religion that says it is not only ok to murder me but says they must.

      • Ste says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 2:54 am

        As usual, people reading Jihad Watch need to go to the news venues reporting this and make comments in support of the Chaldean community, which is being vilified by the Muslim community for their protest of this mosque.

        http://www.macombdaily.com/general-news/20150829/sterling-heights-residents-protest-proposed-mosque

        http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/macomb-county/2015/08/29/residents-protest-planned-mosque-sterling-heights/71380634/

        Especially look at the Arab American News. They have several articles which are pretty biased against Chaldeans:
        http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_10970/Opposing-mosques-is-un-American.html

        Imam Hassan Qazwini’s comments to the Chaldean community on Youtube:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_ds1JW7oE
        That one was very interesting, I must say. Too bad this mosque is Shiite, since Shiites are generally more tolerant of religious minorities.

        Tactic one: Point out that there is nothing wrong with protesting a house of worship being put in a single-family zoned neighborhood. This happens to other religions too.
        Tactic two: Point out some facts about the ethnic cleansing and persecution of the Chaldean community.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 8:01 pm

        So how do you take Islam out of a Muslim?
        A Muslim is someone who practices the cult of Islam. If they don’t they they are not Muslims.
        How do we know how much Islam is in any Muslim? If they go to a mosque at all they are believers so there is no nice Muslim.

      • Rev g says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 12:03 am

        Sterling Hts is 6 miles by 6 miles square, predominantly Christian, and already has 2 mosques.

  6. Cecilia Ellis says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    “The tragedy is listening to the critics is that it is so clear that they are motivated by racism, hatred driven in some cases by ignorance or fear.” — Ray Hanania

    And there we have it . . . the perennial scapegoat of racism wanders suspiciously into view whenever a valid argument is raised by those whose concerns are verified through a daily-increasing roster of Christians killed and persecuted by Muslims – of numerous ethnicities – in the Middle East, an experience with which the Chaldeans would be most familiar. Those objecting, Christian American citizens are by no means ignorant and, if fear be operative, there is good reason for it to be so. Muslims, for almost 1400 years, have been intolerant of Christians, to the point of perpetual genocide, enslavement, and extortion, all in the name of Allah (“the Greatest of Deceivers”).

    This salient, but dismissed as Islamophobia, statement confirms all that needs to be said about the Religion of Peace: “He was harassed and bullied after speaking out against the Mosque. Several other speakers said they are afraid to identify themselves and give their home addresses because of alleged retaliation.” No other religion can inspire such a reaction.
    As Fr. Douglas al-Bazi has warned – “Wake up! The cancer is at your door. They will destroy you. We, the Christians of the Middle East are the only group that has seen the face of evil: Islam.” [1] – it seems that the only ones willing to listen to him and to others who speak the truth about Islam are those who are the perpetual victims of Islam’s hatred. The Middle Eastern and Arabic-speaking Christians in Sterling Heights are correct: They are “killers” and no amount of lying will reverse that indisputable historical fact.
    ……
    [1] http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/iraqi-priest-theres-no-such-thing-as-moderate-islam-isis-represents-islam-one-hundred-percent

  7. Wellington says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    Bill O’Reilly, who with profound knowledge of Islam comprehends that ISIS is a perversion of the great and tolerant and peaceful religion which is Mo’s creed, needs to have a talk with these bigoted Iragi Christians. Optimally, Joe Biden could be included in this “dialogue” as well, who so sagely and informedly properly admonished Hirsi Ali for not knowing what Islam is really about by way of telling her, “Let me tell you something about Islam.”

    Yes, the madness (or is it just sheer stupidity?) continues. It will continue, unfortunately, for a good bit of time to come, and to the detriment of wonderful things like liberty, equality under the law, women’s rights and beer (not necessarily in this order respecting the importance of such wonderful things).

    Time for a beer (I think I gave myself away here but I digress). Time also for listening to great music (e.g., Beethoven’s Seventh). Also time for viewing the beauty of the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. As well, the freedoms and rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence and the American Constitution. Then too William Gladstone’s contention that as long as a certain book exists there will never be peace in the world. And let’s not forget David Hume’s, Edward Gibbon’s, Thomas Jefferson’s, John Quincy Adams’, Alexis de Tocqueville’s, Arthur Schopenhauer’s, Ernest Renan’s, Bertrand Russell’s, Winston Churchill’s and Oriana Fallaci’s assessment of the ROP, as I’m sure wise and informed people like Bill O’Reilly and Joe Biden are fully aware of which these ignorant Iraqii Christians have no comprehension of. Oh yeah, did I say it was time for a beer?

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 29, 2015 at 9:07 pm

      To Wellington- Loved, loved, loved your 8:37 pm post of Aug. 29, 2015. More, please. ?

      • Wellington says

        Aug 29, 2015 at 10:51 pm

        Thank you, Linde. You and the glass of beer made my day.

        • dlbrand says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 2:28 am

          “the” … beer?

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 29, 2015 at 11:09 pm

      Excellent post, Wellington–it is important to remember not just that we oppose Jihad and Shari’ah, but what it is that we *value*.

      Here’s Beethoven’s Seventh:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqrBauptrE

      Enjoy that beer, my friend!

      • Wellington says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 11:27 am

        Thanks, my friend.

    • Dan says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:33 am

      At this point, it doesn’t matter anymore if Islamists are perverting Islam.

      Because right now lunatics burning the asylum, half the guards are supplying them with matches and gas, or cheering them on, and the other half is either in denial, or too scared to act.

      Good God already!

      Fine!

      I agree.

      These “Peaceful Muslims,” where ever they are, let’s support them.

      The rest need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

      It’s like arguing about who set a house on fire, while we’re inside the burning building.

      Putting out the dang fire is the priority.

    • Peggy says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:05 pm

      Joe Biden was bought 20 years ago by Albanians. He is their best advocate. Joe Biden, Madeline Albright and the Clintons are all bought and paid for by Muslims (Bosnian Muslims and Albanian Muslims).
      We can add Weslay Clark to that list too.

  8. gravenimage says

    Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    Detroit: Iraqi Christian refugees from Muslim persecution protest proposed mosque
    ………………………..

    These refugees don’t want to see their oppression continue at the hands of supremacist Muslims now that they have escaped Dar-al-Islam? What a bunch of “Islamophobes”…sarc/off

  9. Muthakufurs says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:28 am

    I applaud this website and its commenters for using their eyes and more importantly their brains. Islam is such a peaceful religion that it’s two main branches have been at war with each other for hundreds of years. Islam is fundamentally flawed that’s the reason the first calaphite fell and any subsequent calaphite will. The thing that gets me the most about jihadists is the way they denounce all things western apart from the assault rifles, the pick up trucks, the social media the heavy weaponry etc etc. If it wasn’t for the oil propping up Saudi Arabia and the rest the whole of the middle east would be an even bigger shite hole

  10. mortimer says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 2:27 am

    God save the Assyrian Christians. They have much to teach the West.

    God help our Western politicians to understand the jihad doctrine.

    • Peggy says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:31 pm

      They know. If you and I can see it so can they. They have plenty of help from their intelligence agencies and know a lot more than we do.
      They are not ignorant. They are traitors.

  11. dlbrand says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 2:39 am

    “…. the Chaldean speaker speaks from experience….”

    Indeed. And we will pay for disregarding it, to be sure.

  12. Jon says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 6:02 am

    Interestingly in Australia we’re witnessing a huge protest against a large mosque being built in the small town of Bendigo, in Victoria. Yesterday there was an actual clash involving police and Muslims with their supporters and opponents of the mosque. People can’t see why a large mosque is needed in a town which has only 35 practising Muslims –

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-29/rival-protest-groups-rally-in-bendigo-over-mosque/6734702

  13. Stephanie says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 6:46 am

    Q9:30 “… may Allah DESTROY them (Jews & Christians)” -> 8:17 “It is not ye who SLEW them; it was Allah”

    https://twitter.com/schnellmann_org/status/637937949146005504

    Thanks to http://www.pi-news.net/2015/08/noun-film-ueber-christenschlaechter/

  14. Charli Main says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 6:56 am

    Saudi Arabia has a multi billion dollar fund to finance the building of Mosques in non Muslim countries.
    Every muslim community in Europe and elsewhere wanting a mosque in its street can get a grant from the Saudi Embassy.
    Mosque building in Dar al Harb is an integral part of the Saudi plan to Islamise the world.
    EVERY mosque is a visible message to the Kaffirs, that Islam is in their country and that the Muslims plan to take over and subjugate the native inhabitants.

  15. Baucent says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 7:59 am

    This is exactly why the dhimmi Western Governments are wanting to prevent Arab Christian refugees from reaching the West. They potentially can cause all sorts of embarrassing scenes calling muslims killers and persecutors. Upsetting the soothing words about the religion of peace, and the really irritating part is they speak from experience that can’t be denied.

    • AnneM says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 8:15 am

      ….Yet the Middle Eastern Christians still come to America, one way or another.

  16. John Magne Trane says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 8:07 am

    Well, they do follow a murderer.

    Has anyone of you tried to get a moslem to condemn all the murders of Muhammed and his gang? It. Does. Not. Happen.

    That of course doesn’t mean any moslem will start killing at any time tho. But if Muhammed got reborn and joined the ISIS…

    It’s about time some peaceful moslems make a new religion, without murderers. Or just quit.

  17. Arthur says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 9:00 am

    Hopefully we will see a decrease in the externally funded (i.e. Saudi-funded) mosque building in the U.S. It seems the low price of oil (due to decreases in industrial production) is causing the Saudis to run a deficit for the first time. Although it would seem Saudi Arabia’s ultimate strategy is a Wal-Mart-like underpricing attack against competitors in the U.S.

    http://www.rt.com/business/217723-saudi-arabia-deficit-oil-prices/

  18. duh_swami says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 10:46 am

    Every kuffar should resist mosque building and resist hard…Mosque building is a way Islam spreads…’If you build it, they will cone’, and they will keep coming until another mosque is needed, then another., The ‘Prophet’ Al-Shatpton, spiritual guide of Rasool Obama., wasn’t talking about mosque building when he said, ‘resist we much”, but that is excellent advice concerning mosque building……

  19. voegelinian says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:18 pm

    “One Chaldean speaker denounced the Muslims as ‘killers’ and warned that the Muslims will do to America ‘what they did in Iraq.’”

    This Chaldean Christian speaker should sit down and have a talk with the Counter-Jihad Softies — they’ll put his mind at ease on how American Muslims must not be that bad — certainly not dangerous enough to have to deport.

    • Jon says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 6:44 pm

      They’re already doing to the countries they’ve moved to as they’ve done to Iraq. In Australia they still only comprise 2% of the population but our daily headlines feature Muslims in criminal activities, rape, child molestation, illegal financial activities, recruitment attempts for ISIS and just general anti-social, complaining about their situation in this country. From being just an obscure religious group 15 years ago they’ve suddenly become a highly militant minority and people are getting bloody sick of them!

      • Peggy says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 10:42 pm

        And still our government is importing more all the time. True, they have turned back the boats but now they are flying in.

    • Incek Mahallesi says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 2:10 am

      “This Chaldean Christian speaker should sit down and have a talk with the Counter-Jihad Softies — they’ll put his mind at ease on how American Muslims must not be that bad — certainly not dangerous enough to have to deport.”

      I agree! So happy to hear someone tell that all Muslims in North America must be deported. I wan to start on this now with you! You are great.Please give me pointers on how I can get started on this! the other day I went out in my neighborhood with a survey to see who was Muslim and most everybody looked at me like I was crazy and said NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

      How can we fix this voegilinia. Also I am ex-muslim now atheist but i have to hide this or I get killed. But everybody knows I born in USA and MUslim? How can I fix this? Do I deport myself?

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 11:24 am

        It’s not up to us civilians to deport Muslims. It’s not our job — it’s our government’s job. It’s not even our job to spearhead the awareness-raising process that would begin to turn our Titanic perspective around more its disastrous course headed straight for an Islamic iceberg — that would be primarily the responsibility of the Press (i.e., the news media).

        The most we can do as civilians, is bang on cymbals, beat on drums, and sing like canaries in the coalmine until our throats are raw, warning of the danger, to try to wake up our sleepwalking fellow citizens who, if they became a veritable majority of people really aware of the actual nature & dimensions of this danger, would eventually get the message across to our representatives in the news media and government, who would begin to respond, since the West is still free and democratic (pace the Leftist extremists and the right-wing extremists).

        Lucky for us,as our Counter-Jihad Softies remind us daily by massive implication, the actual nature & dimensions of this danger aren’t that bad., so no need to even consider Deportation (let alone begin to work toward raising awareness about it). What a coink-i-dink, eh…?
        P.S.: A bit of advice to Incek Mahallesi: satire doesn’t work very well when it’s tilting at a straw man.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 11:26 am

          slight correction:

          “would begin to turn our Titanic perspective around more its disastrous course ”

          should be (of course)

          “would begin to turn our Titanic perspective around FROM its disastrous course ”

          (Haven’t had my second cup of triple jihadaccino yet…)

        • Incek Mahallesi says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 11:50 am

          “P.S.: A bit of advice to Incek Mahallesi: satire doesn’t work very well when it’s tilting at a straw man.”

          I sorry. I do not understand. What you mean by satire? I am honest man and I ask honest question. Do I deport my own self and then come back?

          How do I find out whose the Moslim?

          I thank you for your wise words voegelinia. sorrye to bother.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 4:06 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “It’s not up to us civilians to deport Muslims. It’s not our job — it’s our government’s job. It’s not even our job to spearhead the awareness-raising process that would begin to turn our Titanic perspective around more its disastrous course headed straight for an Islamic iceberg — that would be primarily the responsibility of the Press (i.e., the news media).

          The most we can do as civilians, is bang on cymbals, beat on drums, and sing like canaries in the coalmine until our throats are raw, warning of the danger, to try to wake up our sleepwalking fellow citizens who, if they became a veritable majority of people really aware of the actual nature & dimensions of this danger, would eventually get the message across to our representatives in the news media and government, who would begin to respond, since the West is still free and democratic (pace the Leftist extremists and the right-wing extremists).”

          Right, because Republics are run, not by rule of law, but by doing whatever is deemed popular enough… Let’s ignore what the 2 adults say and leave the 5 kids decide what’s for breakfast, lunch and dinner – hope you like ice cream and pizza because that’s all you’ll get (yay, no more vegetables or soup!). Heck, Obamacare for everyone (because people want it, so screw funding and debt)!

          “Lucky for us,as our Counter-Jihad Softies remind us daily by massive implication, the actual nature & dimensions of this danger aren’t that bad., so no need to even consider Deportation (let alone begin to work toward raising awareness about it). What a coink-i-dink, eh…?”

          Will you ever link to one of these so-called (by you alone) “softies” saying the words you’re ascribing to ALL of them (that there’s no need for deportation or raise awareness because muslims in the West are not dangerous, etc.)? I’m asking you this (again) because I’ve never seen anyone here saying that, let alone one of those you call “softies”. I’ve seen several people giving you several good reasons to why the measure you propose simply can’t be done, but no one saying anything remotely close to what you ascribe them. Of course, you were never one to get facts get in the way of a good narrative, were you?

    • AnneM says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 8:16 am

      They, the Middle Eastern Christians can counter that with the truth.

  20. Jay Boo says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    Don’t count on witless Jehovah’s Witnesses to take a stand for Christianity because they willingly remove the Cross from their churches and deny the Crucifixion and divinity of Jesus,

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 1, 2015 at 12:06 am

      Don’t know where you got your ‘information’ about JW, but you are NOT 3 for 3.

      • Jay Boo says

        Sep 1, 2015 at 2:43 am

        Don’t take my word for it.
        Just Google Jehovah’s Witness to see for yourself.
        They are basically harmless except that they oblige Islam’s viewpoint on defining Christianity and therefore with be of no help to Christians when the time comes to confront Islam.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 1, 2015 at 10:21 pm

          I have, and you are NOT 3 for 3. Period.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 1, 2015 at 10:27 pm

          By the way, if you are not careful, you could find yourself on hate sites that bash RC, LDS, Baptist, and the scriptures (both old and new). evil bible dot com is almost funny, it is so hate filled and dishonest.

  21. Angemon says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    One Chaldean speaker denounced the Muslims as “killers” and warned that the Muslims will do to America “what they did in Iraq.”…

    And God forbids someone tries tell you about s*** that took place in their country…

  22. Benedict says

    Sep 1, 2015 at 2:01 am

    most mosques are a breeding ground for hatred towards other faiths. the west needs to realize this. building of churches in major arab nations does not happen though there may be christians living there. in the usa there is obama to thank in doing everything to make the usa a muslim nation

  23. bullfrogger says

    Sep 1, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    One of the reasons so many speak out in these meetings is because there really is no other way to make ones point today and know it was heard . The ” free” press , politicians , Islamists and liberals have very efficiently seen to that . And although they may be speaking to the same deaf ears , they can take satisfaction in that their words are now part of the public record instead of vanishing into thin air .

  24. dumbledoresarmy says

    Sep 2, 2015 at 8:18 am

    I hope that all Islamosavvy non-Muslim Americans who live within travelling distance will go along to each and every protest that these Iraqi Christians hold.

    Get behind them! Get with them! Whether you’re Christian, Buddhist, atheist, agnostic, Hindu…go along and help to swell their numbers and their voices.

    If you’re a Christian, and you live within travelling distance…go along to their *church* and express solidarity and ask them how you can help.

    Even if you can’t physically attend one of their protests…join your voice with theirs, in letters to the relevant authorities. Kick up a stink…and KEEP on kicking up a stink.

    This is like emigre Jews in 1940 protesting about the establishment of a Nazi-party establishment a few blocks from a synagogue.

    These Assyrian Christians have *every right* to not want a mosque anywhere in the vicinity of their church…because they KNOW that the murderous Muslim pogroms, the jihad, the lynch mobs that attack dhimmi communities, *always* issued from the mosque.

    Here are a couple of truly harrowing articles about what Muslims did to the Assyrian Christians in the early 20th century, at the same time as the jihad genocide of the Armenian (and Greek) Christians.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/17457
    Op-Ed: Silencing the Past, Part I
    The massacre of the Assyrians by ISIS has awakened horrifying echoes of their massacre by the Ottoman Turks in WWI. The author’s mother lived to tell the tale.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/17456
    Op-Ed: Silencing the Past, Part II
    The story of an Assyrian woman’s life sheds light on ISIS today. Nothing changes in man’s inhumanity to man. [sic: correct reading is “nothing changes in Muslim inhumanity toward non-Muslims – dda]

    Copy these articles. Share them around on social media. Print them off and give them to the City authorities in Detroit and say “THIS is why the Assyrian Christians fear Muslims, and THIS is why no more mosques should be built. Because Islam has not changed. Muslims have not change. The Quran, Sira and Hadiths and the example of Mohammed are exactly the same today, as they were back then, and they inspire exactly the same kind of behaviour, as soon as Muslims feel strong enough to get away with it.”

  25. Incek Mahallesi says

    Sep 2, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Test

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