The death of his daughter was preferable to violating Sharia restrictions. He assumed that Allah, “the compassionate, the merciful,” would be happier with him if he let his daughter die rather than bring dishonor on his family. This is an assumption deeply ingrained by the intransigence and preoccupation with hellfire and judgment that permeate the Qur’an.
“Man let daughter drown rather than have strange men touch her, Dubai police claim,” by Caroline Mortimer, The Independent, August 10, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
The father of a 20-year-old woman who drowned in Dubai allegedly stopped lifeguards from helping her.
The unnamed man had said he preferred to let her die rather than be touched by strange men after she got into difficulty on a beach in the city, a senior Dubai official told Emirates 24/7.
Lt. Col Ahmed Burqibah, Deputy Director of Dubai Police’s Search and Rescue Department, said the incident had stuck with him.
He said: “The kids were swimming in the beach when suddenly, the 20-year-old girl started drowning and screaming for help.
“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl.
“However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.
“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”
According to Lt. Col Burqibah, the man became aggressive, physically pulling the rescue men away from the water and said he “prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man”.
Krishan Bhattacharya says
Well they truly do love death more than the infidel loves life.
Apparently they love female modesty more than the infidel loves life as well.
Saleem Smith says
We ex-Muslims know that the Mohammedans love the Quran more than they love life.
They believe in a false and evil book, a false and evil prophet, and a non-existent evil Islamic god they call Allah. Yet they believe Islam to be perfect and true….. All hail the perfection of Islam! lol
A significant percentage of Muslim men consider Muslim women to be little more than baby factories for Islam that must cook and clean and perform sex upon demand.
Islam’s canonical texts are overflowing with misogyny.
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Should Women Respect Muhammad and His Islam?
Muslims love to claim that Islam has granted women equal rights. Sadly, this is not true. The Qur’an states several times that women are to be granted less rights then those enjoyed by men.
This article will examine the status of women and their rights according to Islam, as well as some of the many disgusting things that Muhammad said regarding women.
The inherent oppression and degradation of women in Islam is abhorrent. For every good thing Muhammad’s Islam says about women, one can easily find a passage referring to women in the most unkindly of lights. Such is the reality of the fundamentally contradictory religion of Islam. One minute Islam is the perfect religion of peace and justice – the next it commands Muslims to maim, murder and subjugate others. Muslim women should learn the truth about Islam, and fast, if they truly care about their daughters and the future of women in general.
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In controversial verse 4:34 of the Qur’an, men are told to beat their disobedient wives after first warning them and then sending them to sleep in separate beds. This horrendous verse approves of and even sanctions, domestic abuse. As we shall see momentarily, Islamic theology also permits slavery and rape. No person of sound mind and good heart could believe that this is the wish of god. Islam is nothing more than the cult of a long dead, selfish little mad man named Muhammad ibn Abdullah.
Qur’an, 4:34
Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme.
Here is an examination of how other translators render this controversial passage:
Pickthall: “and scourge them”
Yusuf Ali: “(And last) beat them (lightly)”
Al-Hilali/Khan: “(and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful)”
Shakir: “and beat them”
Sher Ali: “and chastise them”
Khalifa: “then you may (as a last alternative) beat them”
Arberry: “and beat them”
Rodwell: “and scourge them”
Sale: “and chastise them”
Asad: “then beat them”
The Qur’an permits men to marry up to four wives, and have sex with slave girls if they want to do so:
004:003 “If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice”
The Qur’an compares women to a field (tilth) that a man is free to use when, and as he chooses:
002.223
Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.
According to Muhammad and his Islam, a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man’s:
002:282 “Get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her”
Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 1, Book 6, No. 301:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o ‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”
Hadith, Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Number 2142:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife.
The Qur’an allows men to marry pre-pubescent girls, stipulating that Islamic divorce procedures shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated.
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And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Muhammad the prophet of Islam was a deranged con man who has betrayed women. Muhammad the prophet of Islam probably never even existed. Here is some more of what Muhammad is said to have done and said:
Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning.”
Hadith, Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa’id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa’id, did you hear Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-‘azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing ‘azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah’s Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah’s Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
“By him in Whose Hand lies my life, a woman can not carry out the right of her Lord, till she carries out the right of her husband. And if he asks her to surrender herself [to him for sexual intercourse] she should not refuse him even if she is on a camel’s saddle.” — Ibn Majah 1854
Westman says
He(Muhammad) said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” He, of all people, would know how deficient is the religion he made up.
Let’s hope the future will allow Muslim women to remove the deficiency of Islam.
Shane says
In short, Islam – religion of Misogyny!
Lia Wissing says
One of the main problems IMO, with islam is that the law takes the place of all forms of humanity. The law is sha’ria, & is, for all practical purposes, the law is also the constitution of islamic states.
dlbrand says
Lia Wissing says; “… with islam is that the law takes the place of all forms of humanity. The law is sha’ria,… the law is also the constitution of islamic states.”
Indeed, the guidance and governing factor that our blood and treasure purchased in Iraq and Afghanistan–What we tout as victories, wise, worthwhile spending of lives, limbs and trillions.
John spielman says
Muslims keep yapping about “honor” but honor in Islam is an oxymoron because Islam is the most DIShonorable of all religions. It values death over life , sanctifies (makes holy) murder rape stealing lying pedophilia and even necrophilia.
Champ says
Exactly, John; this is normative islam.
Huck Folder says
Consider the possibility that this was an ‘honor’ killing.
He drugged her or had her eat an overlarge meal,
then sent her in to sink or swim.
That would give him a substantive motive
to restrain those who would help her.
It will be interesting to see if any charges can be laid
and made to stick despite sharia.
Angemon says
The question should be: why this man faking devoutness when he let his daughter swim in the ocean in the first place?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/12/fatwa-women-who-swim-in-the-sea-commit-adultery-should-be-punished
Cecilia Ellis says
Angemon, first of all, thank you for posting the link. As a relatively new JW reader, particularly as compared to most everyone else whose comments I read, I had no idea of this particular fatwa. Having now read the germane article, I can add that to a growing list of those things which merit Allah’s disdain: pigeons, satanic haircuts, women swimming, women eating bananas . . . not to mention Christians, Jews, not-Islamic-enough Muslims, non-Muslims, etc. What an education you alone, as well as other commenters, have given me in such a short time. For that, to you and all, I am most appreciative.
somehistory says
I think they are also forbidden to sit on chairs.
Cecilia Ellis says
🙂 How could I have forgotten that egregious insult to Allah?
gravenimage says
Right you are, Somehistory. Here’s Raymond Ibrahim on this particular Muslim lunacy:
“Why Islamists Ban Women from Sitting on Chairs”
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/why-islamists-ban-women-from-sitting-on-chairs/
He mentions the idea that it might lead to “arousal”–doesn’t everything? But I also think it might be because sitting on chairs is comfortable and brings women up to the level of men–so much better to have them groveling on the floor.
Cecilia Ellis says
Somehistory and gravenimage, just when I thought the absurd meter had pegged, this article exceeded the limits. Dear God! Is there no end to Islamic depravity! Don’t bother to reply . . . I already know the answer.
Lia Wissing says
Perhaps she was swimming against his wishes?
gravenimage says
Yes–I was thinking the same thing, Angemon.
Sam says
Islam has destroyed lives since its inception
Godwin says
Yes, destroying mostly Muslim lives. Just look at the huge killing fields in the ME, Pakistan n Afghanistan. They kill n kill till dooms day. The western weapon n warplanes sellers are making profits at the tune of billions of USD n counting. Thanks to Mo/Allah arrangement. Amen !
RonaldB says
Recall that Muslims have been marrying their first cousins for hundreds of years, if not longer. This results in a genetically-homogeneous population, with low intelligence, low impulse control, low concentration, and susceptibility to recessive defects and diseases not generally displayed in a healthy population.
If this Muslim father, product of multiple first-cousin marriages, married his first cousin, also the product, chances are his daughters (and sons) were not that genetically different or distinguishable from one another. If the father had several daughters, he probably couldn’t distinguish among them. So, for him, it’s no big deal to lose a daughter if he saves his honor.
With increasing Muslim immigration, courtesy of the Obama administration, this is a preview of coming attractions.
Lia Wissing says
Uncles are also allowed to marry their nieces.
Karen says
Yuck. 🙁
nothosaur says
“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”
Asia is the biggest continent on the planet. Couldn’t he be more specific — either geographically or religiously?
“Arabic”? No, that would be racist if the Arab acted unethically.
“Middle-Eastern”? No, same problem.
“Muslim”? No, that would be Islamophobic if the Muslim acted unethically.
Let’s use “Asian”. Yes, then the reader would be left with Vladamir Putin, Jackie Chan and everyone in between. That works.
Baucent says
Yes, I noticed the “Asian” man tag as well. This is the way the British media describe everyone from the Indian sub-continent. It’s a way of disguising nationality and religion when it could be embarrassing.
But I’ll go out on a limb and say he was probably a muslim from Pakistan, many Pakistani labourers work in Dubai and other Gulf States. By the way, girl would have been fully clothed while swimming which probably didn’t help.
voegelinian says
The UAE and Saudi Arabia has a constant population of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of Filipinos and SE Asians, most doing work so menial and mistreated, they are virtual slaves. Or this Muslim could have been Indian or Pakistani, who also are there in large numbers.
Wellington says
The sickness which is Islam has no end to it and that is why it must be put on the trash heap of history. Anyone thinking it can be reformed is a fool——-no exceptions.
dlbrand says
Indeed.
Well stated, my Friend.
Champ says
Very true, Wellington, and evil cannot be reformed.
roger woodhouse says
Whilst we have no one in the Western world in government who dares to say it how it is regarding Islam nothing is going to change.In fact it will get much worse.Only by confronting this evil cult and exposing it for the vile religion it poses as we are heading for a violent future.
Edward says
“http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/dubai-muslim-let-daughter-drown-rather-than-have-strange-men-touch-her”
Utterly or obviously senseless, illogical, or untrue; contrary to all reason or common sense; all this done in the name of a false religion!
All In the name of a false religion:
There is a follow up to this thought –
“Professor Hired for Outreach to Muslims Delivers a Jolt”
‘Islamic Theologian’s Theory: “It’s Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed”
Wall Street Journal published an article about an Islamic Theologian’s Theory –
Nov. 15, 2008 11:59 p.m. ET This is a quote from that WSJ article @:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122669909279629451
“They claim that “Muhammad” wasn’t the name of a person but a title, and that Islam began as a Christian heresy.”
Here is an excerpt from Prof. Muhammad Kalisch, a Muslim, book: ‘Islamic Theology Without the Historic Muhammad — Comments on the Challenges of the Historical-Critical Method for Islamic Thinking’ @:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122633888141714211
This link offers a lengthy and well compiled essay:
http://www.bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
History of Muhammad and Islam
voegelinian says
That Muslim academic, Professor Sven “Muhammad” Kalisch of Muenster, Germany (an obvious convert, with that Frankenstein monster of a hybrid name), was the subject of a Jihad Watch article back in 2008. Typically, only two and a half readers showed the appropriate suspicion of this supposed “refreshing… honest man, and that even rarer bird, an honest academic, and that rarity of rarities, an honest professor of Islamic studies” as Spencer gushed at the time.
Thus, from the civilians of the movement:
Ahem says
November 17, 2008 at 1:03 am
From the caption under the drawing of Kalisch:
“Kalisch: an increasingly rare breed, an honest university academic”
I beg to differ.
Anyone who continues to call himself a Muslim and practices Islamic rituals, after coming to the conclusion that: “The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed” is honest only in the sense that those who are mentally unbalanced are honest.
[And:]
DP111 says
November 17, 2008 at 5:45 pm
We have to be careful because this German convert to Islam, may be trying to legitamise Islam in Europe, ie gull Europeans into thinking that Islam is just like any other religion, and can be subjected to critical review.
I hold this view despite that this Prof is now taking security measures for his safety, as Taqqiya can take many insiduous forms.
This German prof also insists that he is a true Muslim, despite believing that Mohammed is a myth. This is absurd. It is akin to a devout Christian believing that Jesus is a myth.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/11/did-muhammad-exist-muslim-prof-isnt-so-sure-outrage-brewing
dlbrand says
One more prime example of the “beauty” and “richness” of the Islamic belief system in action.
Nimrod says
It’s part of the flexibility of sharia law that has made it so successful.
I mean, look at this flexibility. Sharia law doesn’t specifically address preventing strange men from saving your daughter from drowning, but it was so flexible as to be able to provide this function anyway! Amazing, no wonder it is so great and has spread so far due to its amazing usefulness.
Edgar Allen says
Remember that one:
Saudi Journalist: Religious Police Made 15 School Girls Burn to Death Because They Were Not Wearing Hijabs
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/18/saudi-journalist-religious-police-made-15-school-girls-burn-to-death-because-they-were-not-wearing-hijabs/
somehistory says
Perhaps she wanted to stop wearing the horrible clothing, or marry an non muslim or leave the death cult…
like the guys in Afghan land who became “apostate” and this happened:
Sickening ISIS Video Reveals New Method of Execution
Fox News Insider -http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/10/sickening-new-isis-video-reveals-new-method-execution
Nothing is too horrible for such as this monster who willingly killed his daughter by stopping the men who would have rescued her. And the policeman said, “he lost the life of his daughter’….no, she lost her life. He didn’t lose anything because he didn’t want her to be saved.
Matthieu Baudin says
Dubai, city of the future; there’s only so much that money can buy.
particolor says
“HELP !! 🙁 Throw Me a Halal Buoy !! 🙁 🙁
Renee says
Good comment
Beagle says
There used to be a great Saudi blogger called The Religious Policeman who dedicated his work to the Saudi girls who were allowed to die rather than be rescued from a fire, immodestly.
Same shiz, different year.
It’s sad that the human race is being held back by this infernal religion. But in fairness, that horrible religion is winning. Not due to rectitude or accuracy, but cowardice in confronting it.
Of course Jihad Watch is a rare exception.
medaber_emet says
Islam is a tool used by fucking barbaric beastly pedophile misogynistic illiterate Arabs to take over the world.
all the rest is just a TakQia cover
don’t let them fool you
I once thought that the world war against Islam will start in the far future
nowadays I’m more and more convinced that it will start within a decade
this is scary
Charli Main says
The war started 1400 years ago and apart from a few set backs in Spain and Eastern Europe the Muslims have been winning hands down.
Now the Muslims have renewed their attacks on Europe, that their ancestors started in the 7th century and again, thanks to the European Dhimini brigade, they are winning hands down.
Hundreds of thousands of muslim reinforcements are pouring into Europe every year in the guise of ” refugees” and ” asylum seekers” and they are having the red carpet rolled out for them.
Europe´s suicide by islam gathers pace, day on day.
Steven says
the mohammedanism is a mentally handicapped and under-develloped system suggesting that everybody has a personal contact with the mohammedan god , a genious method for making people afraid.
duh_swami says
Abandon kufr all ye who enter here…Allah didn’t promise paradise to everyone. The greatest thing a pious Asian can do is to ‘please Allah’, in every way possible down to fine tuning. Allah is the gate keeper to Paradise, who examines new arrivals for any trace of kufr. If kufr is detected, it’s a quick elevator trip to the basement where the furnace is. This is the source of basic pious Asian paranoia, and the root of some otherwise unexplained behavior. As for the man who let his daughter drown? I’m sure Allah is pleased with him for protecting his daughters purity…. there’s no kufr in that, is there…
George S. says
Was she and her family from Saudi Arabia? Because, if this is so, then this is the possible reason for her drowning.
Let me explain. I worked in Saudi Arabia, in Riyadh, for over three years. One of the functions in my job was to meet once a month with senior members of the Police, Traffic, and Rescue services. I once questioned, in private, the head of the Emergency Services, and asked him why women were forbidden to drive in Saudi Arabia. Hs answer? “Well… you see… if a woman driver got into an accident on any road, no-one – and I mean NO-ONE – would be able to try to rescue her or save her life; unless, of course, it was her husband or her father trying to save her. This is because our religion (Wahabbi) forbids a stranger from touching or conversing with a woman not related to him.” This is why women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.
Related to this comment, and also to the post. I arrived in Saudi Arabia in 2004 to take up my post there. Two years before, as I learned from news, the web and expat gossip, there was a horrible example of this really primitive attitude on this towards women. In Mecca, apparently there was a serious fire at a girl’s school. The firefighters and Religous authorities (Muttawe’en) chased and herded the girls back into the burning school and locked the doors on them. This is because the girls were not allowed to be touched by, or communicate with, strange, unknown men.
http://islamawareness.net/MiddleEast/Saudi/fire.html
15 girls died unnecessarily because of this archaic religion.
I believe that this is an endemic and on-going problem with Islam, not only in Saudi Arabia, but in nearly all other Islamic countries. It reflects their stubborn attitude based on archaic social attitudes and belief in the teachings of a barbaric and psychotically deranged moon god.
Goat Pimp says
Thank you for this first-hand account of this medieval cult’s barbaric belief-system.
Diana says
George S great comments but I think you may have misspelled “Saudi”. Isn’t it actually “Sordid Arabia”? What else can we possibly call such a basket case of misogyny, polygyny and all round devil worshiping lunacy? Yup – it’s sordid arabia allright?
voegelinian says
“This is why women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia.”
That’s not the only reason.
voegelinian says
Why were you working for three years with a regime worse than Hitler’s?
Jack Diamond says
Wahabbism is not a religion. The girls weren’t allowed to leave the burning building because they were not adequately covered up.
Jaladhi says
This man should be charged with homicide and hanged(or drowned) right away. No waiting of 20 or 25 years.!1 The despicable scum who killed his own daughter. How low these followers of ROP can go,oh there is no limit!!
I wonder if this man was “Asian” Muslim( meaning Pakistani or Indian) or a Middle Eastern. Generally the Asian Muslim will not be such a fanatic scum that he won’t allow life guards to save her but who knows!
BC says
I am having difficulty understanding how one older man can stop two presumably fit young men from going into the water, especially when they are trained and dedicated rescuers, not just bystanders. I am also baffled by a father who listened to the screams of his daughter and prevented a rescue.
Once again it shows that Muslims are irrational people, especially where females are concerned. The girl was not doubt fully clothed which most likely contributed to her drowning, so what harm could the rescuers do to her chastity.
We are always told how Muslims respect women more than non Muslims, it is true but the repsect is due to them being considered property to be barted and sold.They habe second class stus in the family and boys are always treated as superior which surely accounts for the arrogance of Muslim males. A good book which exposes this is The Price of Honour by Jan Goodwin published by Warner Books. It may be out of print now but possible is to be found in libraries.
BC says
Typos corrected apologies. I am having difficulty understanding how one older man can stop two presumably fit young men from going into the water, especially when they are trained and dedicated rescuers, not just bystanders. I am also baffled by a father who listened to the screams of his daughter and prevented a rescue.
Once again it shows that Muslims are irrational people, especially where females are concerned. The girl was not doubt fully clothed which most likely contributed to her drowning, so what harm could the rescuers do to her chastity
We are always told how Muslims respect women more than non Muslims, it is true but the respect is due to them being considered property to be bartered and sold.They have second class status in the family and boys are always treated as superior which surely accounts for the arrogance of Muslim males. A good book which exposes this is The Price of Honour by Jan Goodwin published by Warner Books. It may be out of print now but possible is to be found in libraries
gravenimage says
BC wrote:
I am having difficulty understanding how one older man can stop two presumably fit young men from going into the water, especially when they are trained and dedicated rescuers, not just bystanders.
………………………………….
BC, it’s because the lifeguards were Mohammedans themselves–they decided to “respect” his vile demands rather than respecting the sanctity of life and doing their jobs.
More:
I am also baffled by a father who listened to the screams of his daughter and prevented a rescue.
………………………………….
This should come as no surprise, BC–the Religious Police in Saudi Arabia prevented firefighters from rescuing schoolgirls from a burning building because they were not wearing their Abeyas. They didn’t just prevent firefighters from entering the school–bad enough–but actually *drove the girls back into the flames*. Damn barbarians.
More:
Once again it shows that Muslims are irrational people, especially where females are concerned.
………………………………….
The vicious strictures of Shari’ah trump life, love, and human decency every time.
Matthieu Baudin says
This is unnatural behaviour brought about by a belief system that wildly distorts some very basic familial protective bonds; bonds that are not only innately human but also are found amongst several of the higher mammalian species. How Islam has brought people to such a heartless state of affairs is one of the great tragedies of the previous two millennium.
Karen says
A very good comment. Most fathers would have gladly died trying. Something is very wrong here.
dlbrand says
Karen says: ” Something is very wrong here.”
Indeed, indeed, and it is called Islam.
Lioness says
Sick twisted bastard. Maybe he will drown one day while a woman stands by and is not allowed to help him.
Bernard says
Sorry Mr Spencer, but this story was lifted from the Mail online from 1994 and is probably invented by a bored lifeguard:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/mediamonkeyblog/2015/aug/11/mail-online-telegraphs-dubai-drowning?CMP=twt_gu
voegelinian says
Actually, not to quibble, but the story says 1996. It looks like a real story, and only shows that Muslims have been fanatical maniacs for longer back than 2001.
However, some readers might wonder outside the JW box at why a Decent Muslim was involved in the story — namely, Lt. Col Ahmed Burqibah, Deputy Director of Dubai Police’s Search and Rescue Department, who recounted this to the reporter, and added:
“It shocked me and many others who were involved in the case.”
I mean, look at his pic — a stalwart, decent Good Cop of a Muslim, right?
http://media.emirates247.com/images/2015/03/IMG_0907.JPG
Not only that, the two lifeguards were Muslim, and the Islamic regime of Dubai prosecuted the Muslim father. So how are we to explain these other ostensibly decent Muslims concomitant with this one mainstream fanatic, the father? We could explain it by the TMOE meme (that would be the dominant meme of the entire West, only tweaked somewhat by the Daniel Pipes/Glazov wing of the Counter-Jihad). Or we could explain it as an artifact of the persistent hangover from the old geopolitical order of the Muslim world beholden to a vastly superior Western Colonialist system followed by a post-Colonialist system (in the wake of WW2) with America at the vanguard (for a few decades in tension with the ongoing international Communist Revolution fomented by the Soviet Union and China during the Cold War) — an old order during which Muslim dictatorships dug in to make temporary concessions with the Great Satan during a period of Islamic stagnancy and weakness, felicitously advantaged for some (particularly the UAE and Saudi Arabia) in a sideways sort of way by the serendipity of unearned oil wealth. The Arab Spring is not over, and it is not a quick phenomenon, but will take decades, being part of a protracted process of the global revival of Islam (which, of course, will involve much internecine complications and chaos, since Islamic culture is inherently rife with the disease of a schizophrenic pursuit of Purity and Fitna). As the Arab Spring-cum-Global Revival of Islam continues to devolve. there remain major holdouts — the tyrannies of the UAE and Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt (though the last one may have already had its “Stealth Spring” with al-Sissi). These holdouts represent dictators who know the disease of Islam well, being Muslims themselves, and they know that this disease infects all Muslims, and that therefore they must keep a tyrannical lid on the ever-present tendency for seditious coups to percolate out of the general populace, spearheaded by innumerable. kaleidoscopic jihadist groupings which themselves pullulate out of the society. Aside from ongoing relationships with the Great Satan in the form of business and “partnerships” in technology and science, etc., including international colloquia and conventions sojourning in the UAE and Saudi Arabia, tourism (for middle classes, upper middle classes, and the filthy rich, is also crucial to their economies. Hence, they must have in place and occasionally enforce certain aspects of filthy Kuffar legality.
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gravenimage says
Bernard, why would you assume that The Independent–or the Daily Mail–is making up stories? These are reputable new outlets.
The idea that this story is unbelievable makes no sense–it is perfectly in line with Islamic “values”.
Sam says
WHAT A SICK CULT ISLAM IS!
Ralph says
OK; The Real God, not satan(allah) said that they would be like “Wild Donkey’s” and that they are… Stupid Idiots think with their ‘dicks’ and not their brains…
Heather says
He prefers his daughter being dead! I’m sure she would prefer to be alive! I hope he is charged with murder, 1st degree. What an evil, evil, thing he is. How brainwashed he must be. Has he not got a brain to think with?
Do all muslims believe their ‘god’ is a sadistic, evil hater. Because any ‘god who wants all people murdered and dead can’t be a good guy. How come this never occurs to them, are they really that stupid?
gravenimage says
Dubai: Muslim let daughter drown rather than have strange men touch her
dubaibeachThe death of his daughter was preferable to violating Sharia restrictions. He assumed that Allah, “the compassionate, the merciful,” would be happier with him if he let his daughter die rather than bring dishonor on his family.
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This sick sh*t should not surprise. Remember this horrific case?
“Saudi Journalist: Religious Police Made 15 School Girls Burn to Death Because They Were Not Wearing Hijabs”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/01/18/saudi-journalist-religious-police-made-15-school-girls-burn-to-death-because-they-were-not-wearing-hijabs/
More:
“Man let daughter drown rather than have strange men touch her, Dubai police claim,” by Caroline Mortimer, The Independent, August 10, 2015 (thanks to Pamela Geller):
The father of a 20-year-old woman who drowned in Dubai allegedly stopped lifeguards from helping her.
The unnamed man had said he preferred to let her die rather than be touched by strange men
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If Dubai were a civilized nation–rather than an Islamic crap hole superficially tarted up with better-than-average malls–the lifeguards would have ignored the father and rescued the daughter anyway.
And if he had managed to prevent them saving any drowning victim, he should have been arrested and charged. Don’t expect this to happen in Dubai.
More:
“Two rescue men were at the beach, and they rushed to help the girl.
“However, there was one obstacle which prevented them from reaching the girl and helping her.
“This obstacle was the belief of this Asian man who considered that if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her. It cost him the life of his daughter.”
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No–it *cost the girl her life*.
Note that the emphasis here is on the father, considered the girl’s owner. Typical Islam.
gravenimage says
So true. Instead, this Mohammdan was too busy preventing the lifeguards from saving her.
God, I hate Islam.
Jan Aage Jeppersen says
It`s the silly season – the story is 19 years old according to France24:
“On Monday, news broke that a father had let his 20-year-old daughter drown off a beach in Dubai because he did not want her to be touched by a strange man. The story, according to one source, is nearly two decades old.
According to the Guardian newspaper’s “Media Monkey”, the “story”, which came via Agence France-Presse, was lapped up by editors facing a slow news day, and quickly did the rounds, including on FRANCE 24.
But according to a source speaking to the Guardian the article, which originated on the website Emirates 24/7, was taken from an interview in which lifeguards recounted the strangest events in their careers.
“They mentioned this case of the Asian man who prevented his daughter’s rescue, but, and here’s the catch – it was from 1996,” the source said.
The story on Emirates 24/7 recounts (without giving a date to the incident) Colonel Ahmed Burqibah’s story of how a father had taken his wife and children to the beach for a picnic.
The children were swimming when the daughter got into trouble and started screaming for help. When two lifeguards went to help the woman, her father, described by Burqibah as a “tall and strong” Asian man, “started pulling and preventing the rescue men and got violent with them”.
“He told them that he prefers his daughter being dead than being touched by a strange man” believing that “if these men touched his daughter, then this would dishonour her”, Colonel Burqibah told the website.
He said he believed the woman probably would have lived if the father had not intervened.
“She died unfortunately, at a time when she had a chance to live, especially that the rescue men were so close to her to pull her out of the water,” he said.
The father was later arrested by Dubai Police for stopping the rescue team from saving his daughter’s life and doing their job, Emirates 24/7 reported.
voegelinian says
I don’t know why the story being from 1996 makes it “silly” to be posted on Jihad Watch. A clerical error, perhaps; but not “silly”. Islamic fanaticism in 1996 is directly related to Islamic fanaticism today. Indeed, 622 A.D. is directly related to the problems Muslims are causing the world today in 2015 A.D.
Anyway, see: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/dubai-muslim-let-daughter-drown-rather-than-have-strange-men-touch-her/comment-page-1#comment-1279706
Jan Aage Jeppersen says
I am not saying that the story is silly, but you seem unfamiliar with the UK English expression “The Silly Season”:
“In the United Kingdom and in some other places, the silly season is the period lasting for a few summer months typified by the emergence of frivolous news stories in the media. It is known in many languages as the cucumber time. The term was coined in an 1861 Saturday Review article, and was listed in the second edition of Brewer’s Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1894) and remains in use at the start of the 21st century. The fifteenth edition of Brewer’s expands on the second, defining the silly season as “the part of the year when Parliament and the Law Courts are not sitting (about August and September)”.
In North America the period is referred to prosaically as the slow news season, or with the phrase dog days of summer. …”
(Quoted from Wikipedia article on the subject).
voegelinian says
Ah, “the silly season” — that charming phrase has escaped me all my life. It (and “the cucumber time”) sounds like something straight out of H.E. Bates…
Yes, Muslims churn out plenty of fodder for a deadly-silly season…
Jay Boo says
voeg,
Why are you getting chummy with a troll?
Did he flatter you and your massive IQ?
Jay Boo says
Go get him voegy
Strange how you suddenly get all timid around a troll.
Where is your good cop / bad cop analogies or radical vs real Islam challenges?
Bashful?
voegelinian says
I don’t respond directly to people, such as Jay Boo, who misuse the word “troll” in such a silly, sophomoric way. I haven’t been much paying attention to the commenter what’s his face with the name difficult to remember forcing me to scroll up out of this poorly designed text draft box (but I’ll do it anyway, for now — “Jan Aage Jeppersen”), but a cursory search for previous posts by that person yields unremarkably persuasive proof that he’s no “troll”, since one definition of a troll is that they mischievously disrupt by routinely (if not incessantly) avoiding substance. Thus, on a recent thread about the Chattanooga jihadist:
Jan Aage Jeppersen says
July 20, 2015 at 1:00 pm
It is possible that Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez had been suffering from depression for years, but it is impossible that he was depressed when he acted as a jihadi and killed infidels.
If the killer was depressed at some time prior to the act I suggest that this would be in the phase when he tried to make sense of the revelations in the Quran and hadiths. Any normal person would be depressed when reading such gruesome, barbaric, inhuman and perverse documents. I got depressed when reading Martin Luther’s Jew hating pamphlet “The Jews and their lies”, and Hitler’s “Mein Kampf”. And of course when I read the Quran.
Had the killer survived he would not have shown any signs of depression. Instead he would have seemed spiritually intoxicated. I base this on observations and conclusions made by Jessica Stern, the author of “Terror in the name of God”.
Stern reflected the puzzlement that initially strikes almost everyone encountering Islamist terrorism until they come to understand its ideology as a pseudo religion rather than as a political movement. She writes:
“I have come to see that apocalyptic violence intended to `cleanse` the world of `impurities` can create a transcendent state. All the terrorist groups examined in this book believe – or at least started out believing – that they are creating a more perfect world. From their perspective, they are purifying the world of injustice, cruelty, and all that is anti-human. When I began this project, I could not understand why the killers I met seemed spiritually intoxicated. Now, I think I understand. They seem stat way because they are.”
The joint commissioner of the Mumbai police, Rakesh Maria, said of the captured terrorist Muhammad Ajmal Kasab, the only surviving perpetrator of the 2008 mass murder in Mumbai, India, “He was led to believe that he was doing something holy.” He is also known as the smiling terrorist, and to me he seemed to be In an exalted state of mind and full of joy.
The ancient Greeks called any psychic disturbance for “hiera nosos”. They were talking about holy illness. To them religious fanaticism and excitement was the original form of any mental illness. Religion, in the vicinity of which the demonical, the crime and madness are located, contain in its nature impulses and seeds to the most gruesome distortions and excesses. To the honour of the Gods more blood has been spilled than for any other purpose. As irresistible as religion only one force can take control of a human being – Eros. Both are characterized as being able to bring humans into a transcendent state of ultimate happiness and joy.
Reply
jihad3tracker says
July 20, 2015 at 1:48 pm
Excellent post, JAJ — I look forward to more from you.
Reply
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/chattanooga-jihad-murderer-wrote-in-diary-about-becoming-a-martyr/comment-page-1#comment-1269990
Which doesn’t mean I wouldn’t supply a corrective now and then if I saw fit — as I in fact did, as I see, last month, to an ongoing substantive (hence, not “trolling”) discussion between Jeppersen and Wellington:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/chattanooga-jihad-murderer-texted-islamic-verse-to-friend-before-attack/comment-page-1#comment-1269819
Jay Boo, like many of the other Asymptotics, tend to reduce these Counter-Jihad issues to the personal. I’m not concerned with the personal — either of the commenters I take issue with, or in terms of their attacks on me: my concern is solely quality control (as I see fit, “my two cents”-wise) of the ideas in our most exigent war of ideas role both in the Counter-Jihad, and more broadly in tension and in dialogue with our wider Western mainstream.
Then there was a thread where Jay Boo began to get on the nerves of a few JWers at the time, and even Helen Mirren weighed in:
‘Jay Boo’ appears to think he is not only Troll Finder-General, but has a right to make snide remarks about other posters’ comments, accusing them of all sorts of underhand things, as he did to Alarmed Pig Farmer, on another thread.
Arrogant, , pompous, and irritating. I’m glad you sat on it.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/dearborn-residents-on-terrorist-watch-list-second-only-to-new-york/comment-page-1#comment-1098674
And then there was my question put to Jay Boo back in February of 2014 which, to my knowledge, he never answered, concerning a curious statement he made:
“Islam is not 100% evil.”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/nigerian-students-trying-to-escape-college-attack-were-slaughtered-like-sheep-by-islamic-jihadists-who-slit-their-throats/comment-page-1#comment-1014147 (scroll up from there, naturally)
And I recall posing that question again, a few months later (with, again, no response from Jay Boo):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/all-female-islamic-state-brigade-enforces-islamic-law-on-women/comment-page-1#comment-1090624
Then there was Jay Boo’s curiously snide dismissal of the most useful Counter-Jihad scholar, Andrew Bostom:
”Andrew Bostom
Good grief
You’ve got to be kidding.”
A snide dismissal for which he provided no substantive reason or evidence (now that’s troll behavior…) — and which he did not defend when I and another JW commenter, “Jan” (another Jan, not Jeppersen) adverted to it directly.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/07/all-female-islamic-state-brigade-enforces-islamic-law-on-women/comment-page-1#comment-1090729
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“one definition of a troll is that they mischievously disrupt by routinely (if not incessantly) avoiding substance….
(…)
A snide dismissal for which he provided no substantive reason or evidence (now that’s troll behavior…)”
Huh, you do realize that you’re condemning yourself as a troll based on that definition?
Peggy says
Let’s say it’s true and the father was arrested. Was he charged with anything and was there any punishment involved?
If this moron didn’t want his daughted touched by strangers, what prevented him from trying to rescue her?
Jan Aage Jeppersen says
He probably could not swim.
I would also like to know the charges against the passive father and the sentence.
The only problem with the story is that the readers was not informed that it happened 19 years ago.
Muslim barbarism is of course relevant whenever it is committed.
The story reminded me of a similar tragedy in Saudi Arabia in 2002:
“On March 11, 2002, a fire at a girls’ school in Mecca, Saudi Arabia killed fifteen people, all young girls. The event was especially notable due to complaints that Saudi Arabia’s “religious police” (aka the Committee for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice) stopped schoolgirls from leaving the burning building and hindered rescue workers because the girls were not wearing correct Islamic dress. As Hanny Megally, Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch put it, “Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable.”
Who should hold them accountable?
Jay Boo says
Muslim men love to kill their own daughters for the mere satisfaction of bragging rights at piety.
It is what Muslims do
gravenimage says
The repulsive Muslim apologist Jan Aage Jeppersen wrote:
It`s the silly season – the story is 19 years old according to France24:
“On Monday, news broke that a father had let his 20-year-old daughter drown off a beach in Dubai because he did not want her to be touched by a strange man. The story, according to one source, is nearly two decades old.
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Why should it matter how old this story is? Are we supposed to believe that pious Muslims have become more civilized in the interim?
More:
According to the Guardian newspaper’s “Media Monkey”, the “story”, which came via Agence France-Presse
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Why does the repulsive Jan Aage Jepperson use sneer quotes? All the news agencies listed are reputable ones.
More, in reply to Voegelinian:
I am not saying that the story is silly, but you seem unfamiliar with the UK English expression “The Silly Season”:
“In the United Kingdom and in some other places, the silly season is the period lasting for a few summer months typified by the emergence of frivolous news stories in the media
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I’m certainly familiar with the term. It is usually used to describe light or superficial stories, published at a time when many are on holiday and there is (generally) less hard news. You yourself refer to these stories as “frivolous”. Nice to know you consider Muslim hatred of women which causes their deaths to be “frivolous”. I’m sure you considered the story about Saudi schoolgirls being driven back into their burning school because they weren’t wearing their Hijabs to be a real laugh riot…
Steph says
Is it too much to ask why the father isn’t trying to save his own daughter ??
Or have I got the concept all wrong
S
Jae M says
Wow, what a good point that I totally missed… thanks for pointing that out. Why didn’t the father try and save her?
Uncle Vladdi says
Bad as it is (and it’s VERY bad) none of that “no touching – ever!” crap is actually in sharia.
gravenimage says
I’m sorry, Uncle Vladdy–II’m afraid you are quite mistaken.
Here’s the popular site “Just Ask Islam”:
“Is it forbidden for Muslims men and women to shake hands?
Shaking hands (and touching) members of the opposite sex when not related, is not permissible for Muslims according to the teachings of Islam.”
First: It is not allowed for a believing man to put his hand in the hand of a woman who is not allowed for him (mother, wife, sister, daughter, etc.). Whoever does this has wronged himself (sinned).
There is a Hadith from Ma’qil ibn Yasar, saying; The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) said, “It is better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you.”
And here are the four schools of Islamic Jurisprudence on the subject:
With regard to the views of the four Imams, they are as follows:
1- Hanafi Madthab (Imam Abu Hanifah):
Ibn Nujaym said: ‘It is not permissible for a man to touch a woman’s face or hands even when there’s no risk of desire because it is Haram in principle and there is no necessity to allow it.’
2- Maliki Madthab (Imam Malik):
Muhammad ibn Ahmad (‘Ulaysh) said: ‘It’s not permissible for a man to touch the face or hand of a non-Mahram woman (not related), and it is not permissible for him to put his hand on hers without a barrier. Ayesha, may Allah be pleased with her, said: ‘The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) never accepted a woman’s oath of allegiance by shaking hands with her; instead he would accept their oath of allegiance in words alone.’
According to another report: ‘His hand never touched the hand of a woman, instead he would accept their oath of allegiance with words alone.’
3- Shafi’i Madthab (Imam Ash-Shafi’i):
Imam An-Nawawi (author of Al-Arba’in An-Nawawiyyah and Riyadus-Salahin) said, “It is not permitted to touch a woman (not properly related) in any way.
Waliyyud-Din Al-Iraqi said, ‘This indicates the hand of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) did not touch the hand of any woman except for those permissible to him, whether in the case of accepting their oath of allegiance or in other cases. If he didn’t do it in spite of the fact he was infallible and above suspicion, then it is even more essential for others to heed this prohibition. It appears from the texts he didn’t do it because it was forbidden for him to do so.
The Fuqaha’ (scholars of jurisprudence) among our companions and others say it is forbidden to touch a non-Mahram (not properly related) woman even if it is touching any part of her body that is not a part of her ‘Awrah, such as her face.
But their differences of opinion occurred regarding looking (at them) when there is no desire and no fear of Fitnah (serious calamity). The prohibition of touching is stronger even than the prohibition of looking, and it is forbidden when there is no necessity to allow it. In the case of necessity, such as medical treatment, removing a tooth or treating the eyes, if there is no woman available to provide the treatment, then it is allowed for a man to do it because of the necessity.
4- Hanbali Madthab (Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal):
Ibn Muflih said about Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, that he was asked about a man who shakes hands with a woman. His answer was, ‘No’ and it was emphatically forbidden. When he was asked about shaking hands having some cloth in between he said, ‘No’.
Sheikh Taqiyyud-Din also held the view it was prohibited and gave the reason, touching is more serious than looking.
http://www.justaskislam.com/69/shaking-hands-with-women/
And this is just shaking hands–imagine rescuing a woman or giving her mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
Rdlake says
They don’t shake hands because that’s what they use instead of toilet paper? Think about that on your next trip to Dunkin Donuts.
Peggy says
If only we had a time machine to go back and kill Mohammed”s mother before she had a chance to get pregnant.
EMIRCITNA says
MORE PROOF of the INSANITY of Islam!!!!!
Rdlake says
What a sick, sick religion that this world tolerates
Champ says
Indeed! ..our world would be much better off without ..islame.
Jay Boo says
Shouldn’t that lame ideology be spelled with an “i” and double “s” instead of “a”
Is-slime
Champ says
That works, too …
Christian A. Beltram says
Cases like this prove that Sharia is just another version of Jim Crow laws. In the Islamic world, women and non-Muslims are treated in the same way that people of African descent were treated by racist whites in the Old South. In other words, women and non-Muslims are the slave class according to Sharia.
steve says
So with your comparison of sharia to jim crow laws for treating women and non-muslims as essentially slaves, does it hold true that those women and non muslims in the united states are treated as slaves by sharia no matter what race assuming you mean non muslims covers men and women. In that case it would seem that all lives matter.
steve says
Its a sad tale to be sure. She’ll never grow up to be a happy muslim woman now where everyday serving allah is a joy. Why would any life guard even think to change the will of allah is beyond me. They were surely trying to dishonor that young girl. Her father should be declared a hero. This story may be old but it finally came to light to spread the news about how a girl was honored even in death!
STRANGER says
It is very unfortunate to hear how a girl succumbed to death because her mad father didn’t let the safeguards help his daughter. But according to my knowledge it has nothing to do with Islam . in anyway you can blame Islam or Quran for brainwashing his father . islam is a beautiful religion which teaches you beautiful things it brings for you peace and safety . Islam and Quran is like a Mercedes car there are very good features in it like it has good safety features good driving experience fully automatic and a good engine everything you want but if you don’t know properly how to drive it you will end up crashing the car despite driving one of a good car available. .Islam is not so strict but as compared to totally limitless break free life it seems strict but it is rather a way of life. .Islam is not so cruel it always gives priority to life and justice I can prove that e.g Islam prohibits falsehood speaking lie because it harms people in many ways but it gives permission to lie but in certain conditions like when a person is in danger of his/her life or when a lie is said to save some bodies marriage etc.
Or like Islam forbids eating pig and this rule is very strict no Muslim can ever eat pork but if he or she is lost in desert or jungle there in that situation a Muslim is free to eat a pig even a dead corpse, Islam is even the most modern open minded religion but draws certain rules for mankind to obey but when his life is in danger he can skip those rules for that time.
Another e.g to prove that is Islam is most merciful religion is that a Muslim has to offer 5 prayes a day but in some circumstances he can skip like while travelling.. We don’t worship allah for because it will make Allah greater but because we need it we need a path to follow . a man without map is lost when he has to travel .and main point is crime or to say barbarism or cruelty has nothing to do with religion .let’s recall yourself of atheist who have no religion don’t they do crimes do not they also become cruel I guess more than people who are religious . N yeah atheism is a religion of not believing in religions of god.