The tweet has now been removed, but the account remains, and is full of Islamic supremacist bellicosity against India. Whether or not the account is really Gul’s, Gul himself has threatened to “break India into pieces.” So the Hiroshima/Nagasaki tweet would not be out of character for this charming fellow.
“Fake or real: ‘Will convert Delhi, Mumbai into Hiroshima and Nagasaki,'” Zee News, August 6, 2015:
New Delhi: A tweet from an account claiming to be that of former Director-General of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Hamid Gul has kicked off a storm on social media.
The tweet said, “India should mend its ways else we will not hesitate to make Delhi & Mumbai as today’s Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Beware.”
However, the authenticity of the account could not be verified.
The ‘warning’ has come on a day when Japan is marking the 70th anniversary of the bombardment of Hiroshima by a US aircraft, which killed at least 140,000 people in the city.
However, it is not the first time that Gen Hamid Gul had warned India. On several occasions in past too, Gen Gul had warned New Delhi for allegedly interfering in the internal matters of Pakistan and mistreating Kashmiris.
As per a report published in The News Teller, Gen Hamid Gul had warned Prime Minister Narendra Modi and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval for making continuous threats and warnings to Pakistan.
Gen Gul said this in an interview to a Pakistani news channel on April 17 this year, the report said.
There will be no friendship with India until the final solution of Maqbooza Jammu and Kashmir, he had said.
Thousands of Kashmiris have died through the indiscriminate use of force and torture, firing on demonstrations, custodial killings, encounters and detentions by the Indian Armed Forces. rape also occurs during the crackdowns, he had alleged.
In an open threat to PM Modi, Gul said, “Who is Narendra Modi? He is nothing in front of us. By God, we have all those resources, plans, and techniques that are sufficient to break India into pieces and we can.”…
More Ham Ed says
Purposefully targeting civilians (something that 500 million+ muslims agree with) is not the same as accidentally killing civilians (happens infrequently each year) yet you won’t hear that acknowledgment from the far left or the MAINSTREAM media.
Jaladhi says
The main stream media is liar, coward, hypocrite, stupid, moron, and Muslim lover!! They cannot find anything wrong with Muslims and Islam even if their nek is on Islamic sword!
Jaladhi says
The genocide DNA of Muslims never change. And why odes the West not pay any attention to it. If it is India today it will be Europe and USA the next. Stop all aid to these scumbags!! Let them eat their nukes!!
Godwin says
Don’t threaten. Just do it. We just love to see how many nukes the hellhole Pakistan can take to survive. An American ally ? Huh?
umbra says
Presumably several dozens mid to high yield nukes are enough to dismantle pak as a country. India has more than sufficient numbers to do the job and pak knows this.
Since getting hammered by India twice in two major wars, pak is mostly talk and no direct action against India. Hence, it uses terror proxies to attack India in kashmir and in Mumbai.
Freedom4All says
Pakistan is not a US Ally, but they do Maintain Bilateral Relationship with Pakistan.
India is by far a great Ally of the US.. 🙂
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Well and so we get our first benefit from the Iranian nuke “deal.” I’ve been waiting for the Pakis to begin threatening the Hindus with their nuke missiles, which they’ve had ready since 1984. I always figured that the Pakis had been quiet with their nukes cuz Sunnis aren’t quite as suicidally insane as the Shia (almost, but not quite) and that the Hindus were armed and loaded with their own nukes. But now that Prez Barack Hussein assisted first by our next-Prez Hillary and later by Secretary of State War Coward have worked their magic, not only is Israel facing nuclear attack but now India too.
If the globo-socialist crowd doesn’t think this will eventually extend to Western Europe and North America, they are crazy. And the troubling thing is, they *are* crazy.
Davegreybeard says
A nuke duel between Pakistan and India, or a nuke fracas between Iran and Israel, or a nuke smuggled into Europe by a terrorist, or an EMP nuke popped over the U.S….
Allah must be salivating at the possibilities.
mortimer says
It’s incredible that someone with so much unveiled hatred and poor judgment can rise to a position of importance. His Islamic supremacism is also undisguised.
Nothing gives Pakistan ‘a right’ to have any more territory than it has now. The comprise reached when India was dismantled was based solely on a matter of religion. Pakistan was created for RELIGIOUS BIGOTS.
Gen Hameed Gul is a KING-SIZED RELIGIOUS BIGOT.
gravenimage says
Mortimer wrote:
It’s incredible that someone with so much unveiled hatred and poor judgment can rise to a position of importance. His Islamic supremacism is also undisguised.
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Mortimer, keep in mind where it was that Hamid Gul rose to a position of importance, and it will no longer surprise.
Angemon says
Alternate scenario: India preemptively turns Kabul and Islamabad into glass craters.
shams78 says
The resident asinine forgets that Afghanistan is an ally of India and that India supports Afghan Pashtun nationalists who want to annex Pakistan’s Pashtun majority areas (FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa).
India has supported Afghanistan in trying to take over Pashtun areas of Pakistan since Afghan Prime Minister Daud Khan tried invading Pakistan over 50 years ago.
gravenimage says
shams78 wrote:
The resident asinine forgets that Afghanistan is an ally of India and that India supports Afghan Pashtun nationalists who want to annex Pakistan’s Pashtun majority areas (FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa).
India has supported Afghanistan in trying to take over Pashtun areas of Pakistan since Afghan Prime Minister Daud Khan tried invading Pakistan over 50 years ago.
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Afghanistan is no real ally of India’s. Afghanistan just proves that pious Muslims cannot even get along with each other.
Note that the appalling shams78 has no problem at all with Muslim threats to murder Indian civilians.
But then, why would this pious Mohammedan have any problems with his coreligionists slaughtering “filthy” Infidels?
shams78 says
cretin, look up Durand line and Pashtunistan. The dispute between Afghanistan and Pakistan is ethnic. Afghan Pashtuns believe they have the right to rule over all Pashtun majority areas including in Pakistan while Pakistan is dominated by Punjabis.
Larry A. Singleton says
Read S. K. Malik’s Quranic Concept of War and Lt. Col. Joseph c. Meyers Review Essays on same.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This is a great reference. It is important because here we had an “ally” like Zia al-Huq endorsing a doctrine that quintessentially calls for America’s destruction and replacement with a Sharia state.
This work has remained relatively unknown in Western military circles…
But at the Army War College they *do* teach its military officer students that Jihad is a spiritual struggle with little or no causal relation to modern Jihad mass murder. Maybe the two professors who published that curriculum should read Malik’s book. Zia sure liked it.
Jan Aage Jeppersen says
A full scale nuclear war between India and Pakistan could solve a lot of problems fast. One of them overpopulation.
Westman says
India has 6 times the population of Pakistan. There is no question about which country would no longer be populated.
gravenimage says
The repulsive Jan Aage Jeppersen wrote:
A full scale nuclear war between India and Pakistan could solve a lot of problems fast. One of them overpopulation.
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India is solving her own overpopulation problem:
“India’s birth rate shrinks”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-2885008/Indias-birth-rate-shrinks.html
But even if this *weren’t* the case, the idea that what India really needs is for her civilian population to be mass-murdered in a nuclear Jihad is grotesque beyond words.
kay says
Re: “A full scale nuclear war between India and Pakistan could solve a lot of problems fast.”
NO! Only a complete fool and a sociopath would say that. A single nuke exchange is horrific enough, with tremendous suffering and destruction. FULL scale nuclear war has not been experienced in recorded history. This has unimaginable consequences and destroys two or more countries, but it also destroys the environment and results in massive contamination across different lands.
Nuclear war does not solve problems. It creates problems beyond any heretofore experienced, and entirely new levels of suffering. It rips up the atmosphere and destroys much arable land and lots of water supplies. Many peoples would suffer.
You are clueless and very deluded. You need to see a psychologist. In general, people should avoid you like the plague, because you have no human feeling nor human respect of any kind.
———————-
John David Bartoe, Challenger 8 NASA space mission, July 1985:
“As I looked down, I saw a large river meandering slowly along for miles, passing from one country to another without stopping.
I also saw huge forests, extending across several borders.
And I watched the extent of one ocean touch the shores of several continents.
Two words leaped to mind as I looked down on all of this: commonality and interdependence. We are one world.”
“The vision I see is not only a movement of direct democracy, of self- and co-determination and non-violence, but a movement in which politics means the power to love and the power to feel united on the spaceship Earth… In a world struggling in violence and dishonesty, the further development of non-violence – not only as a philosophy but as a way of life, as a force on the streets, in the market squares . . . – becomes one of the most urgent priorities.”
— Petra Kelly, Green Movement organizer
“And it is our collective and individual responsibility to protect and nurture the global family, to support its weaker members, and to preserve and tend to the environment in which we all live.”
— His Holiness the Dalai Lama
Purification Mantra of Five Elements- Drukmo Gyal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrtuGN7-hu0
Dedication Prayer of HH Dudjom Rinpoche:
At this very instant, for all the people and nations of Earth,
Let not even the words “disease,” ‘famine,” “war” and “suffering” be heard,
But may virtue, merit, wealth and plenty increase
And auspiciousness and well-being ever abound.
albert says
Pakistan goes whining to the UN complaining about India who are only defending themselves from murderous Islamoterrorism in Kashmir ( which belongs to India ) Yet hypocritically not only Christian but all minorities are persecuted mercilessly in Pakistan, with child abduction rape and murder of Christians being very common and often with the collusion of the Police and local Officials.
Matthieu Baudin says
Years ago, when Pakistan first detonated a nuclear bomb, Time Magazine ran commentary on the event that included to it as a potential Islamic Bomb. I hope that Pakistan is a country that just happens to be stridently Muslim and that just happens to have developed its own nuclear arsenal. The alleged comments by Mr Hamid Gul are not helpful to anyone and are also too serious to ignore. It is staggering to hear such bellicose statements that effectively undermine the security of the citizens of his own nation.
Matthieu Baudin says
(corrected version from above)
Years ago, when Pakistan first detonated a nuclear bomb, Time Magazine ran commentary on the event that included a reference to it as a potential Islamic Bomb. I hope that Pakistan is a country that just happens to be stridently Muslim and that just happens to have developed its own nuclear arsenal. The alleged comments by Mr Hamid Gul are not helpful to anyone and are also too serious to ignore. It is staggering to hear such bellicose statements that effectively undermine the security of the citizens of his own nation.
Know Thy Enemy says
I would not worry much about Pakistan giving dirty looks to India…… the reason being that India actually recognizes Pakistan as an enemy, and has the resources and willingness to respond effectively if needed. There is no point in ordinary Indians wasting their resources and efforts to blast Pakistan when it can be taken for granted that the Indian politicians will do so anyway!
It is the Islam followers living INSIDE India who worry me. They are the fifth column yet no one in India, let alone politicians, expresses any concern regarding them. Majority of Indians, Hindus included, believe that the Indian Muslims are somehow different from Muslims elsewhere. The fact that barely any Indian Muslims have joined ISIL strengthens this belief of theirs. However, such belief is nothing but a delusion and the sooner the Indian Hindus snap out of it, the better it would be for them!
sidney penny says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2294635/SANDEEP-BAMZAI-Following-Hyderabad-Srinagar-Indian-diplomacy-tough-unrelenting.html
“I want to introduce a former ISI chief Hamid Gul into the treatise at this point.
Hamid Gul is the man who invented the Afghan Jihad.
In a recent interview in Pakistan, his hypothesis makes for a fearful reading.”
What happened to his idea that he wanted to bleed India from a thousand cuts ?
Religion and history is behind this enmity. Kashmir is only an excuse. India is not going to give it up.
Pakistan is using their proxies the Taliban to create trouble in Afghanistan.
If Pakistan was serious about destroying terror network on its soil it would have first targeted Haqqani network, Lashkar e Tayyaba and others.
Keeping these terrorist organizations alive, as claimed by the former ISI chief Hamid Gul, is in the national interest of Pakistan.
The religious fundamentalists and the terrorists groups in Pakistan are more powerful than the state itself.
kay says
We should all be very very happy that India and Pakistan got to mid-2015 without trading nuclear missiles in some previous decade. I will give important historical context here.
At this point the ferociously Islamic Pakistan government has had a very painful lesson, the recent slaughter of their own kids in a military school by fanatics.
Pakistanis are dangerous and irrational. I wouldn’t want to be in the same room as a Pakistani. It looks like they are much more sociopathic than even most Islamic countries and all they understand is force. We are told by a pro assassin there that up to sixty full time assassins live in their capital city.
Modern Pakistan was founded by Islamic psychopaths bent on murdering as many Hindus as possible. Jinnah was basically a Hitler type, the ferocious Islamofascist kind Hitler would respect. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India
“In the riots which preceded the partition in the Punjab region, between 200,000 and 500,000 people were killed in the retributive genocide between the religions.[2][3] UNHCR estimates 14 million Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims were displaced during the partition; it was the largest mass migration in human history.[4][5][6]”
And the Pak slaughter of the Bangladeshis later was also completely fascist. Their regime has always been pretty much criminally insane and itching for war with India.
Pakistan has done great long term support work for the Afghan Taliban and of course their intelligence service sheltered Osama Bin Laden for years. On a very basic level then, Pakistan is the direct military enemy of the United States by supporting our military enemies.
The people of Pakistan could really move more in the direction of Sunni upheaval. That is the very real and very terrifying possibility that should deeply concern everyone everywhere.
The Pakistanis need some really really basic civic education. That starts with the statement that the Islamofascist invaders of South Asia are responsible for 80 million deaths.
See
http://chersonandmolschky.com/2015/01/26/price-sikh-women-paid-accepting-islam/
Sikh Women Martyrs of Punjab (1752)
“On March 6, 1752 A.D., Muin-ul-Malk, Governor of Lahore (now Pakistan), also known as Mir Mannu, ordered the extermination of Sikhs in his area and had the men-folk beheaded publicly, with the younger unmarried girls sold or distributed among the jihadis. The women and children had a different fate and were taken captives and kept hungry in the Lahore jail. Starving women were forced to operate heavy wheat grindstones and were given the option of conversion to Islam or to suffer the consequences.
“They unanimously chose to remain steadfast to their faith in the face of certain death, upon which the Muslim guards gruesomely massacred over 300 infants and children, IMPALING them on spears. Chopping their limbs, bodies of babies were RIPPED open to take out internal organs which were then garlanded around their mothers necks. One by one many Sikh women suffered such brutal atrocities, but they all chose to remain steadfast to their Sikh faith instead of embracing Islam.
“Incidents like these run in the thousands if not more, and were spread over the entire Punjab region. The evidence for many such gruesome atrocities come[s] not from the survivors such as these women, but interestingly from the Muslim chroniclers themselves who very proudly mention these infidel slayings as a service to Islam. Such as one account by Nur Ahmad Chishti who recorded that Mir Mannu killed thousands of Sikhs daily. Once, on the day of a Muslim festival, he beheaded 1100 Sikhs in public.”
Basically, you want to do your best to keep the Paks out of Europe and any civilized nation. Paks have been doing a lot of rape in England for years. See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
Danczuk added that there was an “unhealthy brand of politics ‘imported’ from Pakistan” which was “partly to blame for the cover-up of mass child abuse in Rotherham”. He said that “There are cultural issues around the way politics are done in the Asian community which have to change.”
And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang
Their victims were “subjected to sexual violence marked out by its sadism: sexual assaults designed to draw blood, multiple rapes, [and] physical attacks in which [they were] choked”.[1] As in the similar Rochdale, Rotherham, Derby and Telford prosecutions, all gang members were from Muslim backgrounds,…In March 2015, a report revealed that more than 300 people, mostly girls from the city of Oxford, had been groomed and sexually exploited by the gang. It accused the Thames Valley Police of disbelieving the girls and failing to act on repeated calls for help, and Oxfordshire Social Services of failing to protect them despite compelling evidence they were in danger.[2] The report also called for research into why a significant amount of perpetrators of child grooming come from Muslim backgrounds.[3]
My informal studies of South Asian history alerted me to the essentially psychopathic nature of Islam and jihad after stumbling on Bostom’s Jihad book in late 2009. This pattern is consistent across fourteen centuries starting with Mohammed. What you learn is that Islam is not just massive sociopathy and totalitarian rule, it is substantially criminal insanity / psychopathy. Forewarned is forearmed.
Here’s the main reference:
The Legacy of Jihad Paperback – March 1, 2008,
by Andrew G. Bostom M.D. (Editor), Ibn Warraq (Foreword) ISBN-10: 1591026024
http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Jihad-Andrew-Bostom-M-D/dp/1591026024
And remember, it isn’t full on jihad until there is rape and enslavement and slaughter of women and children. That part is classical Islam. People need to wake up to this basic point, so I thought I’d give you the very inspiring Sikh reference. The Sikhs didn’t give an inch.
I’m going to do a real feminist outreach push later this year, but this looked like a good moment to talk about Pakistan. These are broadly important source references for a global pattern of cruelty and violence. Remember the message.
Jack Holan says
Reminder General Hamid Gul, you might have been in suspenders at the time. India fought 3 wars with Pakistan and won those 3 wars. It want even close. You brag about nuclear Arms in the meanwhile India has nuclear Arms. You’re an idiot. You want mutual destruction? Remember Pakistans population is much smaller. India has orbital satellite proven technology
Jay Boo says
India will destroy all of Pakistan’s donkey carts which will cripple Pakistan’s economy.
Angel says
One bedeviling problem with assurances that India has more than enough nuclear weaponry of its own to punish Pakistan for any nuclear aggression against India is this: What if the official government of Pakistan cannot be proven to be responsible for a series of nuclear explosions in major Indian cities because some Islamic terrorist group claims credit instead? What if the bombing is by a multi-national Islamic extremist organization that only “happens” to have some Pakistanis or even Indian Muslims doing the recon and other groundwork? India can’t just bomb every Muslim nation with Al Queda or ISIL members, right? Or, at least, as a civilized nation, wouldn’t India very much hesitate to take such a course of action? Even retaliation by hitting Pakistan alone without proof of clear linkage (like a Pakistani facility “accidentally” letting a nuke fall into the wrong hands or a “rogue” general selling one off to terrorists) would not go over well with Pakistan’s Western allies. No doubt European, American, and Canadian liberals would demand restraint. However, the Israelis would probably cheer India on.
But I may be wrong about India’s response. I’d like to hear some Indians weigh in on what their homeland would likely do in such a scenario.
kay says
Re: “What if the official government of Pakistan cannot be proven to be responsible for a series of nuclear explosions in major Indian cities because some Islamic terrorist group claims credit instead?”
Answer is the same. It’s still classed as tactical or strategic nuclear warfare between Pakistan regime elements and people of India.
One or more Pak cities would be smashed by Indian nuke(s).
The Pak regime. their intelligence service, whatever, is held to be the root cause of the problem.
Therefore the Paks have to responsibly manage their nuke arsenal because they will suffer nuclear destruction should their regime let one or more more nukes slip the chain of responsibility.
Again, very simple and obvious. Nothing else works.
Does this not makes sense? You destroy the bad guy who is destroying you. Therefore he shouldn’t push his luck or even let “someone else” do the dirty work.
Otherwise the Pak intelligence service would have truck bombed New Delhi with a nuke decades ago.
The Pak intelligence service is psychopathic and Islamofascist. All they understand is terror.
So you have to make them feel the pain. And the Pak government has to rein in these criminals to avoid the loss of one or more Pak cities.
It’s all pretty obvious. I thought people understood BATNAs and nuclear BATNAs.
Angel says
Thanks for sharing your perspective, kay. Does this mean that you are confident that no Pakistani will ever be involved in a nuclear attack on India? And do you believe that Pakistani security and intelligence actually have the ability to rein in all the criminals in terrorist organizations? If your answer is ‘yes’ and ‘yes’, then I hope and pray that you are right.
kay says
Re : “Thanks for sharing your perspective, kay. Does this mean that you are confident that no Pakistani will ever be involved in a nuclear attack on India? And do you believe that Pakistani security and intelligence actually have the ability to rein in all the criminals in terrorist organizations?”
1) Nuclear attack is not in the best interest of Pakistan. The most likely scenario for that is crisis on the subcontinent and a set of procedural errors. In that case you have to hope for a small tactical exchange, but people are stupid and a small tactical exchange could lead quickly to mutual annihilation in the subcontinent.
Thus the ONLY thing that works is politeness and mutual protestations of peace love and brotherhood. You have to “love the enemy” in order to love your own people. But the psychopathic Islamist Pak regime has to clearly understand that the response to ANY nuclear detonation within India is GUARANTEED equivalent damage to Pakistan.
2) No, the Pak intelligence service does NOT rein in their criminal proxies. The regime however MUST fight OTHER nongovernmental Islamist groups who want to bring Pakistan into some caliphate. This is an endemic problem, because the Pak people are mostly psychopathic Islamists.
Best case for Pakistan is to simply deconstruct their persistent political and social delusions and for them to become a bit rational and civilized. I don’t see this happening. Islamic radicalization can increase in Pakistan, leading to severe consequences on different levels.
Pakistan is feverishly Islamic and unstable. Their people and their government are nuts. This is a big long term problem. The only hope for Pakistan is the development of some real free speech, real peaceful democratic change and atheism.
The recent ( early 2015 ) slaughter of over one hundred kids in a military compound is a huge game changer. This can and must result in a lasting re-orientation away from psychopathic Islam.
Ironically, what works best for the people of Pakistan is a series of deadly Islamist attacks in different parts of the country. If groups of Pakistanis are blown up repeatedly over the course of some years then that will begin to move the mass culture away from psychopathic Islam, and maybe help reform their primitive culture.
This is like a paradoxical injunction in psychology. “Here! Have some wonderful bloodthirsty Islam, you fervently Islamic people! Like it? Want some more? How’s it working for you?”
In other words, what really matters here is social psychology. The mindset of the Pakistani people MUST change, and that will only happen the hard way, with suffering.
Social psychology depends on history. Here is some relevant history. Thanks for asking. Pakistan is vitally important and dangerous in the overall global story of jihad and Islam. The Islamists killed 80 million in South Asia. Pakistan inherits that blood-soaked culture as a primary theme. This theme must be taken apart.
In summary, what is needed there is atheism, free speech and a breakdown of fanatical Islamic values.
Good guys will get snuffed, so the best hope is a series of bloody Sunni Islamic attacks on this Sunni culture to turn a sizable proportion of kids there away from Islam and towards civilized values. This will be very difficult.
A decent series of bloodthirsty Islamist attacks in both Pakistan and India shifts the global debate towards the necessary overarching goal of de-Islamization and strengthening laicite’. People have to really understand that Islam is always destructive and produces only social failure. Crisis changes consciousness, one hopes.
Islamic conquest of India. Bloodiest in the history of World (Full)
Avesta says
Fakistan: A nation state that is an illegitimate by-product of departure of the British from the Indian Sub-continent.
The former director of ISI, Fakistan’ s intelligence service, is well known to Indian intelligence in his conspiring and directing terrorist plots in Kashmir & his extensive role in creation of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Since Fakistan’ s history, as a nation-state, all of which might be stretched to all of nine pages of an elementary level history book, with five pages dedicated to the title page and notes, Fakis as a people are very insecure since they have no legitimate identity and there is no variable around which to build national cohesion or unity, they have always had their covetous eyes set to the south on India and to the north on Afghanistan.
Therefore it is no surprise for this idiotic lunatic to make such a preposterous statements. aside from contributing misery, destruction, & death in both India and Afghanistan, I have yet to hear one single politician or any other figure from Fakistan who might enlighten the international community as to what Fakistan’ s contribution may have been to humanity since its inception as a nation-state.
India’ s history, grandeur, majesty, and many contributions to humanity speaks for itself.
However, in light of constant belligerent acts of terrorism being conspired from Fakistan against India and carried out by Fakistan’ s ISI; i. e. attacks on the Indian parliament in 2001 and attacks on the Taj years later in Mumbai, and the constant attacks in Kashmir, at some point and time, patience of Indian politicians and the Indian public might run out.