The FBI is bound as a matter of policy to ignoring and denying the ideological wellsprings of the jihad terror threat in Islamic doctrine. So it is understandable that it would look for causes in other places, no matter how implausible. There is also a whiff of Soviet-era totalitarianism in this: the Soviet Communists declared their political opponents insane and put them in asylums. In Obama’s weak and declining U.S., we are just putting them in “counseling” — but the underlying assumption is the same.
“FBI Now Refers Some Potential Terror Suspects To Counseling,” by Rachel Stoltzfoos, Daily Caller, August 6, 2015:
The FBI is now referring some potential terror suspects to counseling in a new strategy to defeat homegrown Islamic State supporters.
Rather than lock up everyone in the U.S. suspected of potential terrorist activity, the FBI will refer up to 10 percent of the thousands of people under investigation to counseling, reported The Wall Street Journal.
Proponents of the plan told TheWSJ it will ease the FBI’s investigative burden, and provide a possible “off ramp” from radicalization for some of the thousands of people in the U.S. interested in ISIS, especially minors.
“Nobody wants to see a 15-year-old kid go to jail if they don’t have to,” an official working on the new plan told TheWSJ, adding that the FBI will continue monitoring potential suspects referred to counseling and stand ready to arrest them….
A Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman told TheWSJ it works closely with the FBI and believes “successful interventions will be ones conducted with the appropriate participation of community leaders, educators, mental health professionals, religious leaders, parents, peers and law enforcement, depending on the specific circumstances.”
DHS is marketing citizenship to immigrants as part of its strategy to fight homegrown terror, betting potential access to shared citizenship rights will dissuade people from linking up with ISIS.
Oh yeah, that will work.
mccode says
Let’s all gather ’round the campfire and sing a few verses of Kumbaya together….
Angemon says
I’ll bring marshmallows, John will bring the juice and Muhammad Rasul Abdulah will bring the butcher knife.
Shane says
Obama aiding the enemy – again! Let us send these jihadis to hell where they will be f*cked by 72 Virginians. Devotion to Islam is not a mental disease and the only way to kill the disease is to kill the carrier of the disease. How about stopping all Muslim immigration and encouraging the Muslims here to move to a Muslim country?
Julian says
Dibs on the yellowcake!
particolor says
No ! They will all come good when it is explained to them that the DHS outranks an Imam !! 🙂
Kerri says
BREAKING: Border Patrol Agents Just Got Terrifying Orders
http://conservativetribune.com/border-patrol-just-got-orders/
particolor says
Who do You call ?… Alien Tracker !! 🙁
Kerri says
ALIPAC Publishes A Target List Of GOP Amnesty Supporters For 2016
http://www.alipac.us/f8/cantor-list-321399/
M S case says
“”Referring some potential terror suspects to counseling in a new strategy to defeat homegrown Islamic state supporters””
Here is a new strategy they should be using…Arrest Try for treason, If they are US citizens, put in jail or deport. If they are not US citizens …Arrest try deport…Simple
Or better yet …Let the military try them for terrorism and then do what is needed,
mortimer says
‘Counselling’? They need to be DEPROGRAMMED from the Death Cult of Islam.
They need to be shown the evidence of the ISLAMIC REVISIONIST SCHOOL which looks at the growing body of evidence that Islam was fabricated by the caliphs and which asks “what REALLY happened?”
The faith of Muslims has to be challenged, shaken and demolished before they will stop killing or wishing to kill.
Fortunately, there is now enough evidence accumulated to convincing show Islam was a forgery of the caliphs. There was no Islam until 70 years after the death of Mohammed.
Linde Barrera says
To mortimer- I always enjoy reading your comments, but the last paragraph of your 5:45 pm post of Aug. 7 got me wondering.
Judi says
They need to be deported!!
particolor says
England had a good program after the War !… Defusing an UXB ! 🙁
Edward says
Mortimer, were you a JW commenter back in 2008? Did you become aware of the Wall Street Journal articles noted here on JW or elsewhere then. If you had what would be your take about the stories?
I wonder why the German Muslim’s didn’t raise an ire then.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122669909279629451
“It’s Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122633888141714211
Book title: ‘Islamic Theology Without the Historic Muhammad’ — Comments on the Challenges of the Historical-Critical Method for Islamic Thinking’
Book written by: Germany’s Prof. Muhammad Kalisch, a Muslim.
particolor says
Modern Day Takiyya..
By Mohammed Farkemup
A good read for Filthy Kaffir Non-Believer Dhimmi’s and Slaves ! 🙂
ECAW says
So this is what you mean by deprogramming Mortimer.
I am surprised you would put so much faith in something with so little prospect of success.
It is not true to say “there is now enough evidence accumulated to convincing[ly] show Islam was a forgery of the caliphs. There was no Islam until 70 years after the death of Mohammed.” There is only a surprising paucity of evidence to support the standard Mohammed story but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
As I understand it there is little or no contemporary documentary evidence of the existence of Jesus but I wouldn’t expect that to touch the faith of a devout Christian.
If the scholarly questioning of Mohammed’s existence doesn’t convince even the likes of me then it is certainly not going to convince a Muslim indoctrinated from birth.
particolor says
Having Sweet Nothings whispered in their poor little ear ! 🙁
AmySoldier says
Linda Barrera, Edward, ECAW, I thunk Mortimer fell asleep in his chair, in front of the computer screen. If I recollect correctly, he’s in his mid-80’s.
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jihad3tracker says
No FBI agent believes the bullcr*p of Prez Hussein O. + DHS mojo “My way or the Highway” Johnson . . . but, hey, its a paycheck..
In the not-too-distant future we will finally get those agents revealing just how deeply contemptuous they are of our Seditionist In Chief.
underbed cat says
Knowing that Obama scrubbed all relative information on disruptive and disturbed people (aka terrorists) that having nothing to do with a religion described as peaceful (aka isla=what), it has made my day to see him wearing the hat of the F.B.I. Surreal. Was this a happy face “gotcha” moment power play?
particolor says
Same Clown, Different Circus !! 🙂
underbed cat says
jihad3tracker. your message gives me some hope, I read between the lines a little. Thanks.
I am grateful .
i
cheryl s. says
How utterly pathetic.
Maybe the FBI and obama will personally provide mani / pedis while playing Yani for these poor, beleaguered victims of American brutality.
Edward says
Mr. President, a snake can not be domesticated. They need to be caged or send them to where they want to go……….and yes deprive them of citizenship when they leave America’s shores!
Please quit cuddling our enemies. It’s not becoming of a POTUS to do so!
Leith Wood says
Why should we trust DHS or the FBI now? Neither is doing their jobs. Both have lost the power they once had and that has been done on purpose by the Obama team. Disgusting!.
Wellington says
Counseling devout Muslims whose faith revolves around the jihadic extension of their control-freak religion to not do so is a fool’s errand.
Unfortunately, present Western leaders (if you can really call them that——-think Churchill and Truman here versus the likes of Cameron and Obama) are fools (at best) to their core; only their motive is disputable, which is at best due to ignorance, at worst due to treason.
Bottom line: Islam, as Bertrand Russell ( a liberal) and Winston Churchill (a conservative)l understood quite clearly a century ago, is the only major faith which is also a totalitarian political ideology. One has to start from this premise If one doesn’t (and almost no one in the leadership of the West at present, whether in politics, the media or academia, does start from this premise) then, guaranteed, Islam still has the advantage.
It shouldn’t. God knows it shouldn’t. But, sadly, it still does. This is due first and foremost to ignorance. And ignorance is arguably the greatest threat to freedom of any threat—–anywhere, any time. Like now.
RonaldB says
“And ignorance is arguably the greatest threat to freedom of any threat…”
I’m not sure the greatest threat to freedom isn’t a government that makes its own laws. The Obama administration, like the Supreme Court, seems to be making its own laws as it goes along…
“Rather than lock up everyone in the U.S. suspected of potential terrorist activity, the FBI will refer up to 10 percent of the thousands of people under investigation to counseling, reported The Wall Street Journal.”
Do you not notice something strange in this report? Lock up everyone…suspected of potential terrorist activity…? Since when can the government lock up everyone suspected, but not proven or having had credible evidence of, potential terrorist activity? Lock up thousands of people on “suspicion” of terrorist activity?
This is the very lowest state of a society: equivalent to the state under the dictators like Saddam Hussein and Ghadafy, almost unimaginably horrible but still better than allowing the mullahs and imams to kill at will. If we are headed to a state where thousands can be imprisoned on “suspicion”, do we want to bet the farm that jihadists will be arrested and anti-jihadists will be allowed to remain free?
Wellington says
I submit, RonaldB, that when the executive and judicial branches in America, along with administrative agencies, make their own laws instead of the legislative branch doing so (and this would include the legislative branch explicitly extending to administrative agencies the right to engage in administrative law decisions), as has definitely occurred recently, that this is dispositive of a very “special” type of ignorance, a very lethal type of ignorance, a very stupid type of ignorance, a profound exercise, in effect, of ignorantly bastardizing the intent of the Founding Fathers respecting the separation of powers.
Like so much else in our times, clarity is lacking, muddling is everywhere, and the American Constitution is being stretched beyond stretchable limits. Much of this, not all but much of this, is due to ignorance I would argue.
particolor says
Cant wait till You have Imported 10% of the Best Of People !! 🙂 The FBI will be running everywhere like Hens with their Heads Cut Off 🙁 🙁
particolor says
FOR LEASE.. .Large abandoned Turkey Farm… Secure Fencing… And fresh Water available from the adjacent Piggery Bore !! ……
BW022 says
Ignoring the fact that there has never been any type of counselling proven to help jihadists or the FBI can’t force people into counselling…
What right does the FBI have to recommend counselling to anyone? Does the FBI track down suspected bank robbers, potential rapists, serial thieves, etc. and recommend counselling? If someone committed an actual crime… I don’t think the FBI has any authority to just recommend counselling rather than arrest and charge them with the offense. If they didn’t commit any crime… exactly who is the FBI to recommend counselling to someone they are investigating?
“Hey… there have been a string of unsolved rapes over the past few years. You are a prime suspect. We aren’t going to arrest or charge you, but we would like you to get some counselling. If you do, we’ll stop investigating and monitoring you.”
Sorry, but isn’t the point to investigate people until you either clear them or convict them of a crime? If you actually think they are guilty of a crime… what right do you have to let them off with counselling?
And how does this “easy their burden”? Do we mean that once they go into counselling that the FBI will stop monitoring them?
The entire think makes zero sense. If they are supporting terrorism, planning acts, a member of a terrorist organization, etc…. arrest and charge them. They can get ‘counselling’ in jail.
particolor says
By the Imam that’s in Jail for Pissing in Perps Ears in the Moosk !! Not a problem !!
RonaldB says
I’m with you 100%. Either charge them, investigate them, or follow them, but it’s very dangerous for law enforcement agencies to “imprison on suspicion”. What happened to our Bill of Rights. The Obama administration and the Supreme Court seems to have thrown the actual Constitution into the toilet, and is replacing it with foggy assumptions unjustified by history or legal theory prior to deconstruction.
johnj says
Counselling: I wonder who will do the counselling. No doubt a University trained social worker. They will be up against a solid belief with a 1400 history and ideology and the support of millions of people. No doubt the counselor will be up on the latest theories. These guys believe in Allah’s will and paradise and the counselor believes in their weekly paycheck. Great – that should work!
The best way to do this is for the counselor to have an incentive. If the jihadi offends again the counselor shares the punishment. Trouble is that it is too late.
particolor says
More Problems:-( It is against Islam to listen to Kaffir Teachings ??? Oh Dear !! Get an Imam !!
underbed cat says
Knowing that Obama scrubbed all relative information on disruptive and disturbed people (aka terrorists) that having nothing to do with a religion described as peaceful (aka isla=what), it has made my day to see him wearing the hat of the F.B.I. Surreal. Was this a happy face “gotcha” moment power play?
MKG says
They will probebly get the same counselors that our vets get, and with the same stupid line of questioning;
“Have you had thoughts of hurting yourself?”
“Have you had thoughts of hurting others?”
“How is your relationship with your wife?” Come on tell me the truth.
“Do you feel safe in your home?
“Have you ever abused your child?” Be honest.
“We probebly shouldn’t talk about your work related issues yet.”
“I sense a bit of hostility coming from you when I bring up your home life. Are you being completely honest with me about your home life? I mean, no one can entirely believe you never fight with your wife.”
“No they didn’t try to kill you, they are your allies.”
“Instead of telling me about your nightmares, write them down instead.”
“Why not come to our focus group, they may help you discover there is nothing wrong with you.”
“I think we should discuss things other than the smell of roasted children. How is your relationship with your wife.”
“No, they are not animals for killing, and they don’t hate you. By the way have you ever tortured animals?”
“It’s all in your imagination.”
“Two beers with dinner each night?! It is clear you are an alcoholic and in denial.”
“We have some wonderful drugs for you. Take this prescription to the pharmacy and return to duty.”
Good luck hadji. If you’re not fucked in the head when you go in, you will be when you come out.
ECAW says
A year or so ago the British government proposed setting up the Ibaana programme to augment the existing practice of using “appropriately selected” imams in prisons to explain the error of their ways to Islamist extremists (aka devout, instruction following Muslims).
I read somewhere that the civil servant responsible for selecting the appropriately selected imams turned out to be a bit of an Islamist extremist himself but I can’t find a link.
The Ibaana programme never got off the ground and has now been dropped because “its approach is not consistent with the principles set out in the Prime Minister’s speech in Munich in February 2011, and reinforced by his speech on 20 July 2015”:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2015-07-21.HL1769.h
So, all those clever buns at the Home Office didn’t notice that it contradicted Cameron’s pre-existing policy. This is an example of cluckocracy ie government by headless chicken.
Nevertheless if imams have been doing this for a while surely it wouldn’t be difficult to show the results so far. I think we can take it for granted that if even one prisoner was turned away from the dark side we would have heard about it.
Baucent says
Yes, that’s a good point. Being a rehabilitated Jihadist is potentially a “nice little earner”, opportunities to charge consultancy fees to Think Tanks and work on numerous government sponsored “deradicalisation” programs. Good income streams, so why so few beating a path down this track?
particolor says
Frightened Warder will lose the Key at Home Time ! 🙁
quotha raven says
to ECAW – “cluckocracy” — Laffin’ – Good one! Apt, too. Cheers! Quotha
mortimer says
Message for the FBI and police: normative Islam teaches jihad against the disbelievers…that’s most of you guys.
Koran 48.29 “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; Those with him are VIOLENT (ashiddaa’) against the disbelievers (kufaar); Compassionate amongst themselves.”
Read it. Memorize it. Look for it. Find it. Arrest it.
Babs says
Robert, I can see what you mean about the Soviets using a mental illness label to try to silence opposition, but can you really compare Soviet dissidents with Islamist lunatics? By all the main acceptable indexes these people really ARE sociopathic and probably have violent episodes of psychosis, approved of course by the likes of Islamic state.
I agree with you that Obama doesn’t have the first clue. Mere counselling won’t have any impact at all on severe sociopathic personality disorder, which cannot be rehabilitated, only contained and placed under strict observation. Obama is only saying this because he’s ignorant and wants to look good.
AmySoldier says
Imagine Western government personnel of the mindset of the rare sociopathic nurse, or police officer, firefighter, or other civil servant who deliberately and repeatedly until caught creates dangerous situations and/or injures others so that they can then involve themselves in some way to rectify the situation. These type of individuals are always first on the scene, and enjoy the attention received by saving people, sometimes “heroically.”
Individuals administering Western governments are deliberately, knowingly creating environments where mayhem and scandal will occur, and then involve themselves as necessary to rectify any of these situations. Does anyone else sense that after all the problems with Muslims since the early 1960’s when I became aware of the world more than less, i.e. plane hijackings, Munich Olympics, Six Day War, etc., no policy or action by Western governments have addressed the root cause of sixty years of Western calamity caused by Islamists? Every act of those within Western government over sixty years of time has proven futile and feckless to stop another act of calamity committed by the devout Muslims of the world. I’m referring to alot of people who appear to be acting in concert with the intention to continue their involvement with these affairs.
For the last sixty, seventy years there has not been a Western barrage of frank, sober thought and discourse as media propaganda to the masses questioning the validity of Allah’s commandments written inside that bogus book? And the dolts keep popping up in the news reports each day, each month, in the name of Islam.
Wow. Unbelievable.
Uncle Vladdi says
Yep! Because their motto must be: “THERE’S NO MONEY IN SOLUTIONS!”
Duh_swami says
I have counseled hundreds, maybe thousands of insane people…and guess what, every one of them is still insane. It’s really hard to convince the pious of any religion that their ‘Holy’ books are frauds and have no value. Try that with a devout Christian…It would be better for them to read people like Saleem Smith or Ali Sina’s web site, and read from apostates why they left Islam. That may ring a few bells, but intense finger painting probably won’t help much…
Uncle Vladdi says
Why not simply send all criminals to pshrinks?!
After all, to liberals, there’s no such thing as criminals or crimes, because we’re all really only helpless victims (of society; products of our environments, and slave of allah)!
EXACTLY LIKE ISLAM “TEACHES” (abuses people with), the idea of self-reliant personal free-will choice and consequences is a dangerous illusion which, if believed, indicates one is mentally ill.
People are only robotic effects of complex causes beyond their control and understanding – so it’s far better to SUBMIT to inevitable failure like muslims do!
This “predetermined, extortive force” excuse is always the main alibi of all criminals (“liberals;” “muslims”) everywhere anyway!
And getting these victim-blaming, reverse-onus excuses enshrined into “law” is what they both call “PROGRESS!”
particolor says
Start at the top and work down ! Have they tried to DE programme O Bozo yet !! 🙂
Robert_K says
“DHS is marketing citizenship to immigrants as part of its strategy to fight homegrown terror, betting potential access to shared citizenship rights will dissuade people from linking up with ISIS.
Oh yeah, that will work.”
Why won’t it work? After all, it worked for the Commander in Chief. You don’t see him working for ISIS, do you?
particolor says
Citizenship Certificate 10 Million Dollars ! 🙂 There that’ll stop them ! 🙂
ERM ?? Maybe not ? You’ll have all the Sodi Sheiks over there When it warms up a tad More in Soddy Arabia !!
Another Moosk blown to Smithereens and they are out of there ! 🙁