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FBI warns of attacks on Muslims by “militia extremists” incited by counterjihadists

Aug 19, 2015 11:53 am By Robert Spencer

obama-fbiAs I told WND, the insidious goal of this libel is to stigmatize opposition to jihad terror, so that the jihad can advance unimpeded. That the FBI would be abetting the propagation of this libel is yet another new low for the Obama-era intelligence apparatus.

“‘Ridiculous’: FBI warns of next big terror attack,” by Leo Hohmann, WND, August 18, 2015:

Just three weeks after an ISIS-inspired attack on a Muhammad cartoonist event in Garland, Texas, the FBI began circulating an intelligence bulletin that alerts state, federal and local law enforcement about the likelihood of attacks against Muslims by “militia extremists.”

The bulletin, marked “sensitive” and not for distribution without FBI authorization, cites evidence gathered since 2013 that American militia groups are planning attacks on mosques, Islamic centers and possibly individual Muslims.

The document is dated May 28, 2015, and was leaked to Public Intelligence, an online information site committed to exposing government secrets and data. Public Intelligence posted the document on its site Aug. 18.

Named in the bulletin as news sites that provide information that supposedly fuels the militia groups were WND.com, Fox News, the Blaze, Western Journalism Center, Patriot Newswire and Pamela Geller’s blog, AtlasShrugs.com.

Militias fueled by ‘conspiracy theories’

These websites have reported “conspiracy theories” about Islamic terror training camps across the U.S., providing fodder for the militias that want to attack Muslims, the bulletin states. These private Islamic enclaves are operated by Jamaat al-Fuqra, which also goes by the name Muslims of America or MOA.

Interestingly, the FBI confirms in the report that nine MOA enclaves with approximately 1,500 “dedicated members” devoted to radical Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarik Ali Gilani do exist in the following U.S. cities: Hancock, N.Y. (headquarters); Coldwater, Michigan; Dover, Tennessee; Sweeney, Texas; Commerce and Odum, Georgia; York, South Carolina; and Red House and Meherrin, Virginia.

But the FBI states that “assertions MOA communities provide terrorist training are unfounded.”

Militias conducting surveillance?

FBI informants “with varying levels of access” report that “militia extremists” have been conducting surveillance of Islamic properties in Alaska, Arizona, Indiana, Montana, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Texas, the bulletin states.

The bulletin cites an unidentified source with “good access” who allegedly reported to the FBI in September 2014 that “militia extremists in Mississippi discussed kidnapping and beheading a Muslim and posting video of the attack to the Internet.” The FBI bulletin goes on to say that the Mississippi group “has since disbanded” and no longer exists.

Another FBI informant reported in early 2015 that the leader of a militia extremist group expressed “interest in training members for direct action against ISIS and associated ISIS locations,” the document states.

In the final example cited, the FBI says “militia extremists posted calls over social media to kill Muslims attending worship services and during a public event in 2013, according to a reliable source with direct access to the information.”

The FBI concludes that there are “salient perceptions within militia extremism that contribute toward an anti-Muslim bias.” The FBI says such “bias” against Islam is based on the following beliefs among the “extremists”:

“Islam represents a foreign threat, equivalent to those which emanate from illegal immigration or international terrorism.
“The President of the United States not only sympathizes with Islamic extremists but directs U.S. Government policy to align with their goals.”

FBI now captured by the left?

The document is significant because it demonstrates how the modern FBI has joined forces with the hard left, including groups such as the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, said Islam expert Robert Spencer.

“This is as ridiculous as it is disquieting,” said Spencer, author of the blog Jihad Watch for the David Horowitz Freedom Center and co-author of several books on Islam with Geller.

“Pamela Geller, Fox News, etc., do not incite or approve of or call for violence,” Spencer said. “This demonstrates that the FBI has become so thoroughly compromised that it has accepted the victimhood agenda of Islamic supremacist groups such as the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which labor assiduously to portray those who oppose jihad terror and expose its ideological and religious roots as the ‘right-wing extremist’ equivalent of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki.”

Spencer added that the “insidious goal of this libel is to stigmatize opposition to jihad terror, so that the jihad can advance unimpeded. That the FBI would be abetting the propagation of this libel is yet another new low for the Obama-era intelligence apparatus.”

‘The priorities are upside down’

Jamie Glazov, host of the Glazov Gang online media outlet that provides information and analysis of the Islamic threat to the West, was also miffed by the FBI bulletin.

“The priorities are upside-down, with all the jihadist violence taking place, right-wing militias are the threat and Muslims are the victims? Give me a break,” Glazov told WND in an email. “Where exactly has anything like this happened?”

Glazov said the FBI action is a natural result of the “unholy alliance” between the far left and Islam.

The goal of this alliance is “completely disarming our society and making us unable to defend ourselves,” he said. “The truth tellers about the threat are slandered and demonized, which empowers jihad and stealth jihad. The perpetrators love to get victim status to weaken their targets. And because the left is in control of the government and cultural discourse, they are getting away with it.”

Part of a ‘sinister agenda’

Geller, who was the target of a foiled Islamic terror attack during the Muhammad cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, said the document is further proof that the FBI has seriously strayed from its role of protecting Americans from jihadists and other legitimate criminal threats.

“This is an entirely trumped-up problem in service of a frankly sinister agenda,” Geller, a WND columnist and author of “Stop the Islamization of America,” told WND. “There is no significant right-wing militia threat, and neither I nor any of the others mentioned are telling anyone to commit any acts of violence.

“This is just the latest attempt to demonize and marginalize those who dare to speak the truth about jihad violence, and to further the administration’s dangerous fantasies about Islam being a ‘religion of peace’ that is lied about by hatemongers, rather than a religion of violence that is inciting violence and hatred worldwide.

“This is further proof of Obama’s perfidy and treachery. The FBI is targeting those who oppose jihad terror. America is woefully unprepared for the horror of what’s coming.”…

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  1. ich says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    no words…………….im in shock

    • jihad3tracker says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      As to the secret human almost certainly pushing this excuse for more victimization-mongering, can you think of someone whose propaganda about the Religion of Peace has been repeatedly exposed as lies ?

  2. D. M. Mitchell says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    The apologists for Islam are either terribly ignorant or purposefully blind or terribly evil. Islam is a cancer in the body of humanity. There is nothing good about that so-called religion. It is evil personified.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      Here is the official position taken from Yale-Harvard-Columbia, and those guys are geniuses we all look to for guidance:

      1) It is a religion of peace.

      2) It is one of the world’s great religions.

      3) It is one of the three Abrahamic faiths.

      • Don McKellar says

        Aug 19, 2015 at 12:40 pm

        “geniuses” who were all bought and paid for by the Saudis and other Islamic supremacists with multi-million dollar endowments to said “for profit” institutions, let us not forget. Corrupt and compromised by oil money.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Aug 19, 2015 at 1:12 pm

          Yeah, I used to look forward to the inevitable op-ed pieces in the NYT and WSJ from Edward Said, the Moslem professor at Columbia who had figured out that all that was wrong with Islam was the result of Infidel colonialism and oppression. Those pieces used to make me giggle, it was always a fun way to get ready for work in the morning.

        • underbed cat says

          Aug 19, 2015 at 1:34 pm

          Watching the video of Democratic Senator Robert Menendez ( who made a very good analysis and decision to not support the Iranian treaty in my opinion) I noticed a strange green flag behind him which said something about International relations…but also appeared to have cresent moons on it, on the shield part….wierd., he made his annoucement at Seton Hall,in New Jersey.

          Yes I have read that Saudi Arabia and others send influence dollars to the intellectual, high buck universities, from whence leaders flow. I guess money talks bs walks.

        • underbed cat says

          Aug 19, 2015 at 2:00 pm

          So I guess if the FBI has muslims within its’ ranks I guess we are all in danger. I knew it but ya know you can’t beleive that insurgency has been complete. There are still Senators and Congressment who are not falling in line to destroy America in my opinion…so when they start to disappear I guess I am out of here. So where do you go to be safe? Guess that’s it for underbed.

      • revereridesagain says

        Aug 19, 2015 at 4:57 pm

        1) No, it most certainly is not.

        2) So what?

        3) See 2).

  3. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    I wonder if Hillary got this FBI memo on her illegal private email system she keeps in her barn and has backed up in the bathroom of some guy’s apartment in Denver. She’s our next president, so this is important. I also if she discussed this imminent threat with her top aide Huma, she of the Mo-Sis-Hood.

    ***

    To even care about the threat seen by the FBI one has to see the Unicorns as ideologically separate from the mass murder Mujahidin, which is a fantasy.

  4. wildjew says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    OT but not unrelated: The GOP’s Endless War on Muslim Voters Claims Carly Fiorina

    Muslim Americans are a natural fit for the GOP. But as the recent attacks on Carly Fiorina show, they’re not over Islamophobic rhetoric. (Daily Beast)

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 2:56 pm

      Bleah…I had been guardedly positive about Fiorina’s surge in the polls. Now, not so much…

  5. Don McKellar says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    The FBI is the new KGB. Thanks to the Obama regime’s Islamic agenda. “War is deceit” once spoke the fictional character of Muhammad. Indeed.

  6. KrazyKafir says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    ” The FBI says such “bias” against Islam is based on the following beliefs among the “extremists”

    What a bunch of clowns the FBI employs. If there is any bias against Islam perhaps it’s rooted in…I don’t know….maybe….9/11, or Fort Hood, or Boston, or the Beltway snipers, or the jihad murders just recently at the recruiting station just to mention a few, or maybe, the endless list of Muslim Jihad plots that have been exposed since 9/11. Talk about the keystone cops.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 2:43 pm

      To KrazyKafir- This is in response to your 12:48 pm post of Aug 19, 2015 which I loved. I am truly surprised that Jihad Watch.org did not make the top 6 “news sites that provide information that supposedly fuels the militia groups”. I applaud Ms. Geller who is a heroine and life saver to me, and the other brave reporters who get out the truth about Islam. And if anyone is angry about that, they need to take a course in anger management.

      • KrazyKafir says

        Aug 19, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        Yeah, I was surprise too that Jihad Watch wasn’t mentioned. Perhaps it was just an oversight, because Jihad Watch is the go to place for all things anti-Jihad.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 5:52 pm

          KrazyKafir posted:

          “Yeah, I was surprise too that Jihad Watch wasn’t mentioned. Perhaps it was just an oversight, because Jihad Watch is the go to place for all things anti-Jihad.”

          No one officially linked to the JW administration ever advocated the use of violence against muslims.

  7. Angemon says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    The bulletin, marked “sensitive” and not for distribution without FBI authorization, cites evidence gathered since 2013 that American militia groups are planning attacks on mosques, Islamic centers and possibly individual Muslims.

    Ugh, the FBI is taking this kind of conspiracy theories seriously?

    • underbed cat says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      O.K. let the FBI take it seriously, for an hour or two…..then move on to the real threats.

      Hillary concerns me but not half as much as her old boss.

      Disparaging Hilliary and her kinda of leftist stuff, will only get the press time that will be sort of negative for the conservatives in my opinion as already in my opinion is happening. One really does not know what is on the e-mails yet….but its all been hacked anyway? The courts have it now and facts will come out. It’s bad but a distraction away from news on the Iran Treaty….which is insanilty.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      To Angemon- Hello sir, hope all is well in your corner of the world. I am making this comment to your comment of 5:52 pm Aug 20, 2015 where you reference Krazy Kafir’s remarks. You state: “No one officially linked to the JW administration ever advocated the use of violence against Muslims.” And those of us who follow JW on a regular basis know that. But the article said “fuels the militia groups” which to me means “incite” or “provoke” — not the same meaning as “advocate”. Example: Dr Martin Luther King fueled/incite/provoked the hatred of white, racist men and women when he called for African-Americans to go on strikes against public buses that made black people give up their seats to white people, even after the black people paid the bus fare. He did not “advocate” the hatred of racist men and women…I know you are intelligent enough to catch the difference. And I am proud to compare Robert Spencer to a man like Martin Luther King. (There is no African blood in me.) Stay positive Angemon! ?

  8. Huck Folder says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    “Glazov said the FBI action is a natural result of the “unholy alliance” between the far left and Islam.”

    Add SINISter water-carrying socialism to zombie savage ISLAM and you get SINISLAM.

  9. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    “The priorities are upside-down, with all the jihadist violence taking place, right-wing militias are the threat and Muslims are the victims? Give me a break,” Glazov told WND in an email. “Where exactly has anything like this happened?”

    In related news, Janet Napolitano, who used to run DHS and publicly warned that disgruntled veterans were a bigger threat than Jihadists (she mistakenly called them terrorists) now runs the U of California system from a plush office in Berkeley, where she is sure to have influence over the nation’s youth.

    ***

    Don’t forget that several years ago in response to 9/11 mass murder the FBI launched an affirmative action hiring campaign to bring on board hundreds of Moslem special agents. That smart move is now bearing fruit, with the FBI scrutinizing right wing “extremists” just to keep the nation safe.

  10. Shmooviyet says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    An honest title would read, “FBI Desperately Hopes and Waits for Anti-Muslim Attacks That Don’t Occur in Wake of Acts of Islamic Violence”.
    Oops, but then they’d have to admit the islamic violence. My error.

  11. Timothius says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    it is scary to think that these folks are our top law enforcement. It is like a monkey screwing a football. I just don’t know what to say.

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 22, 2015 at 10:45 am

      To Timothius – I think “…a monkey screwing a football” just about sez it all….Cheers! Quotha R

  12. Barney Rubble says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    Well Obama did tell a UN official 3 years ago in Haiti that he is going to change the U.S. into an Islamic Republic by the end of his second term…

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 6:10 pm

      You know, now that I think about it, when Prez Barack Hussein leaves office, or rather *if* he leaves office, he may well go on another global apology tour. This time he can rake in hundreds of millions of petrodollars from Moslem audiences, much like his golfing buddy ex-Prez Bill.

      Watch, my prediction is that he will go on a second apology tour. For America as he found it, of course; Barack has nothing to apologize for in his presidency. Take the Iran nuke arms “deal”, for example. Well, now that I keep thinking about it, he can write off cash rewards from any Sunni countries. Oh well, it was a good idea while it lasted, which was only two paragraphs…

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      This does seem to be hearsay–in accounts, the UN source is not named.

  13. somehistory says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    Sounds like something right out of the wh…why else include FOX…or maybe the FBI version of ‘tell mama’ from the UK…make up stuff if nothing real happens.

    And why say that Mr. Glasov was “also miffed”? Realizing the reasons behind it, the ludicrous claims the document makes and the danger it represents to those who are endeavoring to get the truth out to everyone, is not being *miffed*, *see petty, irritable argument, petulant huff, bad-tempered, offended.

    This is a distraction, intended to make the defender look like the aggressor…typical of those who belong to the beast from satan and engaged in building its image.

    • duh_swami says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 3:37 pm

      There’s that Satan guy again…He’s very popular on JW…

  14. Joseph says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    Yes, we must protect the 200lb classroom bully from 90lb Timmy who is in a motorized wheelchair.
    Timmy may run over the bully’s foot at a whopping 1.5mph. It could scuff the bullies shoes ya know and we just can’t have ANY of that.

    FBI–Federal Bureau of Intimidation

  15. Charli Main says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    There is a full scale muslim invasion of Europe and the USA under way.
    Any attempt by folks to defend themselves against these muslim invaders is, shock- horror ISLAMOPHOBIA.
    Why can´t all these nasty, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, neo-Nazi islamophobes understand, that when muslims are raping their wives, abusing their children, burning their houses down and chopping them up in the streets, they are just good muslims practicing their religion.

  16. mortimer says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    This is a new low for Obama. There are no ‘militias’. There is no ‘militia’ (sg) on the hunt for Muslims.

    There are several private jihadist militiaS (pl) in the US teaching jihad warfare.

    The government has stooped to making up facts about the citizens. This is worthy of Stalinism.

  17. Know Thy Enemy says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    There often are aggressive posts at various anti-jihad sites. At Pamela’s blog people occasionally post comments suggesting violence against Muslims. It is possible that FBI has posted this warning in response to pressure from CAIR (and others of that ilk) who provided such comments to support their claims.

    Is Islam (and its followers) harmful and dangerous? Yes! So should anti-jihadists be violent towards Muslims? NO! The good thing about knowing your enemy is that one can tell exactly where to hit them in order to paralyze them.

    There are two entities that Muslims truly care about- Muhammad and Islam. Yes they care about other Muslims too but that does not come even close to how much they care about Mo and Islam. Muzzies do not even care about their mothers and their children as much! I have read many Muzzie comments on FB where they said they will kill their mother if she apostatized, and no other Muzzie challenged such comments.

    I once had an private chat with a Muslim who tried to steal my FB password by posing as a sweet talking Hindu, but I caught him. At first he called me names and cursed, and a few minutes later begged and pleaded for me not to insult Muhammad. “Insult my mother, insult my father, insult my sisters, and insult them a thousand times…. i will listen to it all….. but pleez pleez do not say bad things about our prophet,” that is exactly what he said.

    …. And that should give us an idea of how much they care about Mo and Islam!

    Hence we should completely refrain from being violent towards Muslims. (It would be stupid to do so since they will simply use such acts to get support for themselves.) Such acts on our part will only give them strength!

    Hit them by going after Muhammad and Islam! Show them with evidence that Islam is Satan’s creation and that Mu was devil’s agent. Show the same to all the non-Muslims so that Islam’s image is reduced to pig crap everywhere. Nothing will paralyze the Muzzies worse! All of this is legal and will stay legal as long as our Free Speech rights are intact. (Hence it is most important to protect Free Speech, even more important than opposing Islam!)

    Note: Do NOT prevent anyone from practicing their religion e.g. by stopping someone from going to a mosque or by purposefully distracting someone who is praying. Doing so is illegal in the US.

    • sinantara says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 7:19 pm

      Yes but not by insulting like name calling. Rather by exposing Islam exactly like it is written down, with relevant comment, start a discussion about statements from quran and hadith like “Was it not for you, o Muhammad, I would not have created earth and heaven. This was when Adam told God he had seen Muhammad’s name written in the sky and understood that he should as forgiveness from God in Muhammads name. Or, “You should love me because God loves me”. Or why Jerusalem is a holy city to Islam, because Muhammad went to heaven to see God taking off from the Dome of the Rock. That he tried to woo the Jews by having offering Jerusalem as the qibla but when they persevered the he changed that again and later stole Jerusalem from them with his trip to visit God (who showed him around so he could tell the folks home that his vision of heaven and hell was based upon observed fact). Or, tconcept of Nur Muhammad, that the cosmos is made from the light of Muhammad. Then ask, seriously, isn’t Islam a trinity? Because if the quran is uncreated and eternal, it means that it coexists with God…Including the passages where God intervenes in petty affairs in Muh family life leading to new directives for the whole umma. And is the Muhammad revered or idolized? What are the criteria? Such things should asked at public debates, and Muslims should answer. That will be the academic front. Then there is the cultural front. A film like the innocence of Muslims is wasted time. But imagine a film about a boy who witnessed his father being decapitated in Medina, when a whole Jewish tribe was exterminated.”The Persian Boy” was a best seller and nobody could say it was defaming Macedonians and Persians. The movie should keep to sources from Islam itself… What I want to say, let historical facts and religious dogma speak for itself in academia and the public, including Muslims who don’t know about such facts and dogma because they are in a state of denial from mild to pathological if inconvenient truths are explained away by fantasy about Jewish/crusader conspiracies to frame Islam. JW is a mix of learned comment and just letting off steam–but to be effective Islam has to be forced to answer Islam. Muslims have converted to Christianity of became atheists after for some reason they started to learn about their religion in earnest, beyond mindless reciting or consuming cherry picked bits from the mouth of their shayks, or by witnessing murder and mayhem. Launch a counter taqqiya…

      • Know Thy Enemy says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 4:24 am

        Yes…. what you wrote is exactly what I mean when I say go after Mu and Islam and show their true face to everyone (Muslims and non-Muslims). Islam will lose only after its image takes a hit!

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 1:10 pm

          Go try your tactic against ISIS. See how far it’ll get you. You won’t last a Mogadishu Minute… Mere debate rhetoric is not going to stop the metastasizing threat of terror attacks.

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm

          voegelinian,

          ISIS is a special case. The influential entities (e.g. Govt, MSM, various leaders, etc.) actually recognize it as a threat and an enemy. Of course none of them admit that it is Islam itself that sows the seeds for the rise of such organizations, or that teaching Islam to people turns them into supremacists and that Islam-followers have the goal of establishing Sharia as the top-most law in the land.

          You talk about deportation of Muslims. The problem with this solution is that it is not in our hands (“our” means the folks at anti-jihad websites). We are not the ones in-charge of deportation agencies! It is the politicians who are in-charge of these things and they will not deport anyone unless voters ask them to, and the voters will not ask for such a thing unless they know that Islam is crap and that its followers have the goal of subduing them! That is, voters will not ask for action against Islam for as long as Islam has a ‘respectable’ image!

          We have to take action based on what we actually control, not deportation! We don’t control deportation agencies, but we do control how we want to spread information. Any and all of us can open up social-media accounts and reach the whole world. Any and all of us can create cool pamphlets, info-graphics, videos, etc. and share them with the world!

          The information campaign that I am suggesting and which is already being practiced by many, targets everyone (non-Muslims, violent Muslims, moderates, liberals, and everyone else). The goal of this campaign is to expose/trash the image of Islam….. that is, our goal is the exact opposite of [one of the primary goals of] Islam-followers. Muslims are not dumb. They understand human psychology quite well and know that Islam gets its strength and power because of its image. They know that if Islam is respected, it will thrive, and that if it is not respected it will fail and die. Why else do you suppose they try so hard, through taqiyya and through [various forms of] coercion, to make everyone respect Islam!

          It would be wise of us if we too learn the power of image (that is, its psychological power on humans), and act accordingly.

          The tool that I am suggesting is the same tool that Muslims employ to establish Islam. The only two differences are that 1) our goals are opposite, and 2) They practice taqiyya and coercion to establish Islam whereas we shall state the truth to trash Islam so that it becomes weak and dies!

          The second thing that we need to do is to give Muslims an alternative. Muslims often ask “Ok if Islam is bad then which religion is good?” We need to provide them with an answer and support it with evidence. Of course since the believers of different religions all consider their religion to be ‘good’, they all need to do their job and present the case how their religion is better than Islam. (Note: Folks need to do this in debates with Muslims, not here!)

          “Mere debate rhetoric is not going to stop the metastasizing threat of terror attacks.”

          If we do the above with dedication, it will!

        • Linde Barrera says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 4:36 pm

          To Know Thy Enemy- Your 2:56 pm post of Aug. 20 was very good. But you should know that Muslims are taught about the main points of Christianity and Judaism, and why Islam is superior; the Bible has been corrupted, Jews think that today they are “The Chosen” just because God chose them way back when, etc. And if you engage with The Muslim Debate Initiative, they will state that “Kill the infidels wherever you may find them” was actually referring to “a battle cry in 600 something AD and no longer applies today”!!! So your idea about giving Muslims info on different religions is good, but many will have doubts, and some who leave Islam become atheists, as you probably know. That is why we need to “pray without ceasing” to God Almighty to help effect these changes, because if a Muslim does convert to Jesus Christ, it is not the doing of a human being. Yes, my ears are ringing from your statement suggesting not to mention religious debates at Jihad Watch, but this is a forum for understanding Jihad, Islam and its manifestations. And bringing other religions into this “mix” means Islam is not the only choice or the best choice when compared. So study up! Blessings to you.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 4:18 pm

          “ISIS is a special case. The influential entities (e.g. Govt, MSM, various leaders, etc.) actually recognize it as a threat and an enemy.”

          It’s not special for that reason. There are, and have been, innumerable Islamic terrorist organizations recognized by mainstream intelligence as threats – and always as somehow pertaining to the Tiny Minority of Extremists from which the rest of Muslims (and their Islam) are strangely detached. ISIS is just the latest terrorist organization du jour, and has taken the logical bull by the horns of the global revival of Islam that has been slowly getting its ducks in a row for the past century.

          “You talk about deportation of Muslims. The problem with this solution is that it is not in our hands (“our” means the folks at anti-jihad websites). We are not the ones in-charge of deportation agencies!”

          My advocacy of total deportation is not proposed on that level. In the history of movements trying to get sociopolitical change – particularly when the change is big and not small (as, for example, the Abolition movement that pressed and pushed for about a century before sociopolitical action was finally taken and their goals were realized) – there are phases of the process that necessarily have to precede action; if only because there is such political, social and/or cultural resistance to the change. Thus, a war of ideas becomes critical in such a circumstance, to spearhead a change in ideas and attitudes, paving the long way to action. But this particular action – total deportation — will be less likely to happen in a timely way if even the Counter Jihad does the work of the mainstream for it and keeps putting up resistance to it.

          Hence, your paragraph here essentially agrees with me in terms of our crucial role in waking up our fellow Westerners:

          “It is the politicians who are in-charge of these things and they will not deport anyone unless voters ask them to, and the voters will not ask for such a thing unless they know that Islam is crap and that its followers have the goal of subduing them! That is, voters will not ask for action against Islam for as long as Islam has a ‘respectable’ image!”

          “We have to take action based on what we actually control, not deportation!”

          Because of the PC MC of the mainstream, there is not much action we can take – other than the most important action of all: fighting in the “battle spaces” (as Frank Gaffney put it) of the war of ideas, whereby we must wake up our fellow Westerners to the danger of Islam as so great and having qualitative features which necessitate total deportation. All other education about Islam leads to this conclusion, which is the most important, because our society’s safety is the most important issue in this regard, and it cannot be preserved as long as Muslims are a demographic anywhere in the West.

          And so this paragraph too agrees with my program:

          “We don’t control deportation agencies, but we do control how we want to spread information. Any and all of us can open up social-media accounts and reach the whole world. Any and all of us can create cool pamphlets, info-graphics, videos, etc. and share them with the world!”

          “The information campaign that I am suggesting and which is already being practiced by many, targets everyone (non-Muslims, violent Muslims, moderates, liberals, and everyone else).”

          Where you go wrong is in lumping in Muslims with the non-Muslims who need to be woken up. The two populations are like night and day, in terms of being hopefully receptive to data that would lead them to wake up. If you don’t agree, you just haven’t been familiarizing yourself enough with Muslim psychology and culture. You might wake up a few, but not anywhere near enough to helping us solve the problem their Islam is causing us.

          “Muslims… understand human psychology quite well and know that Islam gets its strength and power because of its image. They know that if Islam is respected, it will thrive, and that if it is not respected it will fail and die.”

          Islam has been thriving for 1400 years, and is now burgeoning for a global revival. You are making the mistake of thinking Muslims think like you do. They don’t. They esteem Islam for reasons you have no comprehension of; a profoundly psychopathic fanaticism that only a tiny minority of insane cultists in the West even come close to.
          “Why else do you suppose they try so hard, through taqiyya and through [various forms of] coercion, to make everyone respect Islam!”

          They only do that to reinforce our PC MC deference & accommodation to them, enabling them to increase their wedge of infiltration & subversion into our society, in order to plan long-range terror attacks worse than 911. They aren’t engaged in an intellectual debate. They already know Islam is the Absolute Truth, and they are waging a covert war against us. You are like those hopeful people in the movie Mars Attacks who keep hoping the Martians can be reasoned with, even as the Martians are striding around zapping Earthlings to death left and right with death ray guns.

          The rest of your comment continues to build on the quixotic quest of de-Islamizing Muslims, which I think is disastrously Wilsonian in its Great Brown Hope.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 7:11 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “My advocacy of total deportation is not proposed on that level. In the history of movements trying to get sociopolitical change – particularly when the change is big and not small (as, for example, the Abolition movement that pressed and pushed for about a century before sociopolitical action was finally taken and their goals were realized) – there are phases of the process that necessarily have to precede action; if only because there is such political, social and/or cultural resistance to the change.”

          This is the quintessential demonstration of the voegelinianesque cognitive dissonance – on one hand, he repeatedly stresses how dire the situation is and how something must be done, on the other he tries to justify his idea of “total deportation” (which by now has been debunked to hell and back but it’s not like that’ll ever stop him) not by detailing the legal support to such a measure but by trying to compare it with the Abolitionist movement, even though the Abolitionist movement was a fight to give some human being the same rights and benefits others had while voeg’s jihad (or kampf – struggle) is to take rights away from human beings. On one hand, the situation is dire and something has to be done. On the other hand, the “solution” he wants to pursue is something that, going by his own chosen comparison, would only take effect decades, if not hundreds, of years from now. Dire situation now, solution generations away – like I said, cognitive dissonance. He speaks of “phases”, but he has, on several occasions, ruled out suggestions that could be seen as stepping stones to his idea of “total deportation” – again, cognitive dissonance.

          And this is not even taking into consideration that he overlooks many things for which he should have offered a solution, since they relate to the practical application of his “idea”. Is it anti-constitutional? The Abolitionist movement could point to what the Founding Fathers – “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”, and say that slavery infringed on those rights. Voeg never – not even once – explained how his idea can “coexist” with the American Constitution and Bill of Rights, which guarantee the right to freedom of religion. Another thing that voeg never explained was how would he round up muslims, or how would he identify a muslim in the first place. Does he really think muslims would simply form a single, walk to the nearest police station and say “hi, I’m here to be parachuted into Sudan*, when does the plane leave?”? Apparently, that’s the case. What’s more, it also seems he believes that Sudan would gladly take whoever the US wanted to drop there. No, all things considered, voeg’s “total deportation” idea amounts to magical thinking – if enough people think about it for enough time, then it magically happens, without the need to worry about petty details like those I mentioned.

          “Thus, a war of ideas becomes critical in such a circumstance, to spearhead a change in ideas and attitudes, paving the long way to action. But this particular action – total deportation — will be less likely to happen in a timely way if even the Counter Jihad does the work of the mainstream for it and keeps putting up resistance to it.”

          Right, it’s not that you fail to adequately explain the merits of your idea or its feasibility, it’s just everyone else that’s in the wrong – all we need to do is not question what you say and everything will be all right. Like I said, magical thinking.

          *Note: while this “parachute American Muslims into Sudan” bit may sound like I’m just being a jackass and trying to ridicule voeg by reducing his idea ad absurdum, it’s actually something he said recently:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/polish-convert-to-islam-we-will-hold-mass-executions-in-st-peters-square/comment-page-1#comment-1277834

        • Know Thy Enemy says

          Aug 21, 2015 at 5:48 am

          @voegelinian

          I am quite aware of the Muslim mentality and am also aware of how they see Islam. “Islam is Absolute Truth”- this is the image they have of Islam, and this image is exactly what we have to break and make them see the truth- that Islam is from Satan.

          Most non-Muslims too have a false image of Islam and its followers. That image too needs to be broken. Hence we do have to lump non-Muslims with Muslims and show the true face of Islam to them all!

          Now that I have learnt of the power that image and respect have on the human psychology, I would rather employ strategies that put to use this new found understanding. I have faith that they will show results.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 21, 2015 at 2:20 pm

          Know Thy Enemy,

          Of course we should pursue any tactic that might help our #1 priority — to protect our society. If the effort to try to wake up Muslims out of their Islam can proceed without interfering with that #1 priority, of course it should be done. But there may be contexts where that’s not so clear, and we should always err on the side of the #1 priority, a principle with which I trust any Counter-Jihadist would agree (unless they might be an obtuse quibbler like Angemon, or perhaps a modern Christian with an eschaton up their sleeve… “in it, but not of it”…)

  18. Westman says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    1984 arrived a bit late. Doublethink and Doublespeak are now official policy.

  19. pdxnag says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    This must be one tactic for whitewashing violent jihad. Paint the jihadi as acting in self defense. The more violent the jihadi the more violent must be the faux-paint of violence to be applied to the target of jihad.

  20. duh_swami says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    How many attacks must the American public bear before some elements retaliate, either singularly or as a group? What is the magick number where restraint turns into retribution?

  21. gravenimage says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    FBI warns of attacks on Muslims by “militia extremists” incited by counterjihadists
    ………………………….

    Uh…right. Never mind that this has *never happened*.

    And these militias have–supposedly–been plotting such attacks *since 2013*?

    In this time, pious Muslims have shot up two recruiting stations in Chatanooga killing five; tried to murder an auditorium full of people at an art show in Garland Texas, beheaded a woman at a food processing plant in Oklahoma and tried to behead another, bombed the Boston Marathon killing three and maiming dozens, and murdered a police officer during the ensuing manhunt,

    And that’s just in the US–during this same period, JIhadists have murdered people in an attack on the Canadian capitol, massacred cartoonists and journalists at a satirical paper in Paris, murdered Jewish victims in that same city, beheaded an off-duty soldier and a grandmother in London, kidnapped and enslaved several hundred schoolgirls in Nigeria, perpetrated a massacre at a mall in Kenya, launched rocket attacks on Israel, set off hundreds of bombs around the world, and created a sanguinary Caliphate that beheads journalists and aid workers, uses young girls as sex slaves, and engages in genocide.

    And, really, that’s just off the top of my head.

    All I can say is that those militias must be serious slackers…sarc/off

    • Westman says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 4:55 pm

      Sounds like an opportunity for a false flag operation. The government needs it to push a false narrative so why wouldn’t they try it for traction? Perhaps this FBI report is a setup for an operation where instead of arresting a groomed Muslim terrorist they groom a skinhead terrorist and let him carry it out then say, “See we told you about those anti-muslim extremists!” Then claim the “terrorist” was inspired by those resisting jihad.

      • somehistory says

        Aug 19, 2015 at 6:47 pm

        The FBI “warning” of…or “warning to” those who might think of resisting the jihad efforts of this seemingly protected class of people…jihad terrorists…who instantly become victims when someone fights back. It is all muddled on purpose to keep people off balance, so when an attack does happen, there won’t be any more response from the citizens than there has been to previous attacks.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 19, 2015 at 6:56 pm

        Westman, I am appalled by this ludicrous “warning” from the FBI.

        Still, it is a large jump from this to the idea that our security forces intend to set up an attack on Muslims to push an anti-“Islamophobia” agenda. You are jumping from the fact that the FBI is “politically correct” and clueless–which is clearly the case here–to the idea that they are actually *unmitigated evil*.

        This is all too much like the idea that the US–or the FBI or CIA or Mossad or poor ol’ George Bush perpetrated 9/11 to “make Muslims look bad”.

        With respect, reality is dire enough without conspiracy theories.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        If as the Mad Max Wing of the Counter Jihad is correct, Obama is already a crypto-totalitarian leader who wants to destroy the US, and he has all government institutions in the palm of his hand, including the FBI, Homeland, Pentagon, CIA, yadda yadda…

        By this hyperventilated framework, we should already have seen two things by now:

        1) innumerable sting operations smoking out right-wing counter-jihadists trying to kill Muslims and/or destroy mosques

        2) actual domestic terrorism by right-wing counter-jihadists against Muslims (which of course would be construed as manufactured by the Obama Administration).

        The fact that we have seen neither tends to refute both the PC MCs who enable Obama, and the feverish scenarios of the Mad Max Wing of the Counter-Jiahd.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      Uh…right. Never mind that this has *never happened*.

      Don’t be a cynic. It *could* happen and it would be awful if it did. That’s the point. This works just like global warmin… er, Climate Change, where we could all fry from the blazing temperatures or drown in the rising seas…

    • Bezelel says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      gravenimage, The FBI must have read some of voeg’s stuff and had an asymptotic reaction. Anyway the government knows best, right? When it’s all said and done they would have us all shelter in place and wait for our turn to die. And if you don’t like that you must have extremist tendencies. Such a comfort.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 pm

        “gravenimage, The FBI must have read some of voeg’s stuff and had an asymptotic reaction.”

        If the FBI became asymptotic, that would be a slight improvement; since it’s reasonable to suppose they are rather saturated with PC MC, which is worse than being asymptotic.

        Elementary Logic 101: But just because X is worse than Y, that doesn’t make Y good or helpful.

  22. D.C. Watson says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    “If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” (Samuel Adams)

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 19, 2015 at 6:14 pm

      No wonder he came out with that beer, Sam is struggling with the fact that he is being proved right.

  23. vox populi says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    one can just quote Mafia’s Boss Johhny Stecchino on this one : “you know what is the biggest and real problem in Palermo and Sicily since many, many years ? No ? It’s the road circulation…. “

  24. Slingshot says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    I am one of those Patriots (not a member of a malitia) who is proudly engaged first hand in efforts to fight back against islamic jihad in my country. 21 times since 9/11, we have been attacked by islamic jihadists within our borders. Yet, our government does nothing to secure our borders, or even denounce these attacks. The FBI is correct that there is a move to stop these attacks. It is woefully incorrect by stating it is just malitia as there are many more regular citizens, like myself, who have decided we MUST act.

    I assure you that to the man, everyone involved in this movement would prefer the government handle it but after 21 terrorist attacks with no action from our government, the people have decided to take it upon themselves as a matter of self protection and the protection of our families and future generations. There is no question whatsoever that those of us involved in this movement are prepared to enact lethal force upon our enemy to accomplish our goal of securing America from our enemy, whether that enemy be islamic jihadists or our own federal government.

    However, we would much prefer and encourage that our government take action instead. It doesn’t need to come to this.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      An FBI sting operative or an agent of CAIR could not have put it better… 🙂

  25. revereridesagain says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    The FBI is apparently so terrified of being accused of “bias” that it is chronically inadequate in its response to any religion-based criminal activity. Back in the 1980s it issued a position paper stating that occult-based rituals could not be considered pertinent to criminal investigations because, and I quote as well as I can from memory, “a ritual can be anything — for example, Thanksgiving dinner” is a major American ritual”.

    This is the level of sophistication you can expect from the Fibbies about a “great religion” such as Islam. They will eagerly concoct alleged plots by non-existant “militias” and wait breathlessly for the wished-for “hate crimes” to materialize, but the only genuine assistance that can be expected from that organization will come from consciencious individual agents who acquire an accurate knowledge of Islam and jihad on their own time. Much outstanding investigation work is certainly done by the FBI, but when it comes to cults, any kind of cults, and Islam is nothing but an overblown cult, they are worse than useless and should be ashamed of themselves.

  26. Kuffar says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    Militias? — If Only

  27. Sam says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Well Moslems seem to get what they wish. They are dying to have anti-Moslem militia formed so they can advance their “poor Moslem” agenda to spread this disease called Islam. Well eventually they may and will get what they wish for one way or the other. Evil can not be defeated by “NICE” anyhow. Sooner the better.

  28. Edward says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    I just had a morphed thought…..It certainly will peacefully manifest itself now and not later to save our beloved Nation. The eminent threats will be neutralized!

    God Bless America!

  29. mike says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    Notice how these clowns portray anyone who doesn’t agree with them as some sort of extremist militia member. As I recall my history all able bodied Americans are militia. That idea notwithstanding, if this were to happen it wouldn’t be some militia extremists. It would be regular Americans who understand what is going on in spite of what fools like the Federal Bureau of Islamization say. These people would simply be defending this country. Something the government won’t do.

  30. Dave J says

    Aug 19, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    So the totally crippled, compromised and infiltrated FBI now intends to criminalize all opposition to Islamic rule of the USA by concocting blatantly false “militia attacks”? Freedom of speech is next, folks.

    Meanwhile IS is taking over in Iraq, Syria and now Afghanistan. The migrant wave in Europe is largely IS driven. At home they are telling us “resistance is futile” while “lone wolves” murder our military members in their own country.

  31. Davegreybeard says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 12:33 am

    @Dave J
    “Freedom of speech is next, folks.”

    Yep, you can count on it.

    THE VERY FIRST THING the “soldiers of Allah” must do is shut us up.

    They cannot allow kaffir to “slander the Prophet of Islam.”

    Be prepared to raise Hell when the Leftist/Islamist alliance makes its move.

    It will come soon.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 12:43 am

      To Davegreybeard- Count me in as a hellraiser.

    • spot on says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 5:55 am

      The Dems and the MSM are traitors (i.e. taking money from the enemyor hating Americans) and the Repubs won’t do anything about it (i.e. taking money from a different enemy.). We must throw all the Washington bums out. The MSM must be exposed for who they are. Washington only fired one person in the wake of the Veterans Administrations’ killing of vets all over the USA and all I hear are crickets from the Repubs and MSM.

      Pamela Geller (Breitbart article today) gets death threats daily and she is told by the FBI that people like her are the problem. The US citizens are now the new militias that hurt Muslims and the Dems have placed citizens in their crosshairs.

      Washington (including the MSM) has gone corrupt and the citizens are the target for anything that gets in their path. Islam is their ally.

      • Jenny H says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 6:25 am

        What does MSM mean?

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 6:32 am

          Jenny, in this context, I think it means “mainstream media.”

        • spot on says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 7:00 am

          Main Stream Media is what was meant, Thanks.

        • John Stefan Obeda says

          Aug 20, 2015 at 8:57 pm

          Yes. Everybody! Sometimes do explain what your short hand means. For a long time I too wondered what MSM meant.

  32. Jax Tolmen says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 8:56 am

    I’m sure a few of you are failing to see the irony of commenting on an article that unequivocally condemns and plays down the notion of violence, with justifications for or threats of violence. This is exactly what the FBI are talking about.

    I’m on your side, but you really should be smarter than this. You may believe you’re justified and/or reasonable – but to them, you’re proving their point quite admirably.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      Yes; and the irony is doubled by the probability that most of the chest-thumpers with their robust braggadocio are Counter Jihad Softies about such issues as total deportation of Muslims from the West. Indeed, I’ve come to consider over the years that this is not merely a matter of an odd inconsistency or paradox, but that there is some kind of logical dovetailing going on between Counter Jihad Softism and reckless Mad Max type of braggadocio (thanks to Phillip Jihadski for first suggesting, unwittingly of course, this thought…).

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 1:03 pm

        That reminds me, I need to thank Phillip Jihadski for his use of the term sock puppet which I borrow from time to time in reference to Muhammad’s sock puppet Allah.
        The voeg deportation scaredee cat approach to all Muslims is more of “braggadocio” than reality. I have nothing against the concept except that is unrealistic chest-thumping over an already dead fish idea.

      • Angemon says

        Aug 20, 2015 at 6:15 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Yes; and the irony is doubled by the probability that most of the chest-thumpers with their robust braggadocio are Counter Jihad Softies about such issues as total deportation of Muslims from the West. Indeed, I’ve come to consider over the years that this is not merely a matter of an odd inconsistency or paradox”

        Yes, I expect you to know a thing or two, or three, or four, etc., about chest-thumping and bragging… Not about making cogent points or correctly interpreting what others say, just bragging about doing so and hoping no one takes a deep look into it, otherwise it’s all “sophistry” and “rabbit holes”, etc.

    • RonaldB says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 2:07 pm

      “you’re proving their point quite admirably…”

      Huh?

      Let’s not forget this whole article was based on an interim report that was meant to be internal to the FBI.

      So, the report was filled with speculations and unattributed assertions:

      “In the final example cited, the FBI says “militia extremists posted calls over social media to kill Muslims attending worship services and during a public event in 2013, according to a reliable source with direct access to the information.””

      So far, so good. I would hope that the FBI has standards that are a bit more rigorous, even for raw, internal reports not meant to be definitive.

      But, the report gets leaked and published,and all of a sudden, you have a quotable document of questionable statements.

      I agree with you the FBI has the duty to protect Muslims as well as non-Muslims from illegal violence. Publicizing a straw-man threat to Muslims where there is no threat is taking on political overtones. The biggest threat to a Muslim woman, other than members of her own family, would seem to be hostile glances.

  33. Harry_the_Horrible says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 11:10 am

    This the FBI fishing for increased budget and power..

    The FBI is playing to Commie/Pinko/Liberal Fellow Travelers’ favorite anxieties: “OHMYGOSH! Conservative Christian Militias might DARE to attack the holy Moslems and Congress must allocate us (the FBI) more money to protect them. ”

    Like there have so many other “militia” attacks in the recent past. I think number of “militia” attacks approaches zero in the last decade.

    Next thing to remember is the FBI probably has most of the militias heavily infiltrated. The biggest chance of an attack is one incited by an FBI provocateur.

  34. Davegreybeard says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    @Jay Boo
    “I have nothing against the concept except that is unrealistic chest-thumping over an already dead fish idea.”

    Nicely put, Jay Boo (In this “Redneck, Mad Max, Softie’s” opinion.)

  35. Davegreybeard says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    @Harry_the_Horrible
    “The biggest chance of an attack is one incited by an FBI provocateur.”

    Probably so.

    But then again, any group stupid enough to get talked into freelance attacks on Muslims, deserves to be taken out.

    But I would not discount the possibility of a “false flag” operation. The “Fast and Furious” gun running scheme provides a recent example of just what Obama and the Democrats are capable of in pursuing their political agendas.

  36. wildbill2u says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    Wherever those militias are, and whoever is in them, they must realize that they are probably infiltrated by the FBI who will try to make conspiracy cases against them for even talking about retaliation against Muslims in the US. Might very well be the reason that the Mississippi group disbanded. A RiCO conspiracy prosecution for just talking about something like that is a real possibility.

    It is only conjecture, but I hypothesize that the only course of action that would keep anyone off the FBI radar is to become silent and secret Lone Wolves themselves. Since nothing is happening along that line, the FBI has probably set up a straw man. I just don’t believe there are very many Americans who are prone to violence of this type.

  37. richard courtemanche says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    That’s what happens with pusillanimous politicians and bureaucrats. What do you expect? For USA to turn into a Sweden?

  38. R Cole says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    The hope has been – that if we say only nice things about Islam then the violence – the attacks will just go away. When in fact it has gotten worst.

    We have come from September 11 to ISIS!!

    Everything that ISIS is doing – these blogs have said that is what Islam supported – and the only response has been to call those heralding the bad Islamic news – racists and intolerant.

    I can remember seeing a video with Robert Spenser debating a Muslim scholar – when Robert stated that Islam supported the rape of women [non-Muslim/captive women] the learned Muslim flatly denied it.

    This is where the Left might be tempted to ride in and protect the Muslim from Robert’s supposed unholy attacks. But now we have accounts of ISIS members – in their uptopian Islamic state – bowing down to pray – before engaging in acts of rape.

    There is the old saying – don’t kill the messenger – these blogs and forums are bringing a message.

    There seems to be an attempt to criminalize speech by proxy.

    ::

    Southern Poverty Law Center rep. on CNN – after the Mohammad Cartoon Competition terrorist attack – gloating – unashamedly suggested that Pamela Geller influenced the Norway shooter’s actions – when Anders Breivik testified in court that he took inspiration for the killings from Al Qaeda.

    So each time reality puts Islam in the dock – they need to create an alternate reality – to keep a protective sphere around it. Where the truth is spoken about Islam – only in the west – is called racism.

    Only in the west – in countries under the sharia – if you claim – these Islamic falsehoods – such as ‘anyone is free to leave Islam’ – you will either be arrested and could face the death penalty in some places.

    ::

    You can see Obama is removed.

    At the White House Correspondents’ Dinner – there was a joke that said – Sharia is coming to America!! – [you could almost feel the discomfort in the room]. Where the very idea is put out there as complete nonsense.

    On the other hand – on at least one of CAIR’s local chapter websites – states that sharia law is a Muslim right.

    With all Obama’s outreach – the Saudis are still beheading people for witchcraft and apostasy.

    No change there!!

    ::

    The Islam violence the jihad – is for the purpose of creating an Islamic state – as we can see with IS.

    ::

    The Left have got themselves involved with a religious argument and they are in over their heads. An objective view of Islam is not possible for the Muslim faithful — people are saying answer our logical questions about your religion – which for Muslims is going to hell — means that the most horrendous things that Muhammad did can’t be questioned – logic is jettisoned – and all that he done is in the realm of perfection.

    For western society that is deep water / stuff of the rabbit hole – we cannot demand people support an image of Islam as perfection.

    And although the Left are in denial – the Muslims are not. They know what their religion teaches. The crime for them is in other people knowing – and challenging what they deem sacred.

    How can you bring the world under Islamic rule – as Muhammad predicted – when you cannot control what people say.

    The US Constitution – is so well worded – it is like a keep out sign for the Sharia.

    Remember Islam means ‘peace’ when all the fighting for sharia is done!!

    Majority Muslims instinctively know much of this stuff is wrong – the problem is they plaster over that with God Willing!!

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 20, 2015 at 7:30 pm

      To R Cole- Your 5:38 pm Aug 20, 2015 comment was 100% truthful and eloquent. Why aren’t people like you reporters?

  39. Larry A. Singleton says

    Aug 20, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    Who, exactly, wrote or contributed to this “report”?

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