Mehdi Hasan is a highly suspect analyst and Foreign Policy Journal appears to be a pro-jihad paleocon publication, and Al Jazeera is certainly a pro-jihad propaganda outlet. All that is noted, but if this transcript is accurate, former DIA director Michael Flynn is confirming that the Obama Administration knowingly decided to support al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, and directly enabled the rise of the Islamic State. And given the Obama Administration’s general stance toward the global jihad and Islamic supremacism, what would be unbelievable about that?
In a sane political atmosphere, this would be enough to bring down the Obama presidency. Instead, it will get little notice and no action whatsoever.
“Rise of Islamic State was ‘a willful decision’: Former DIA Chief Michal [sic] Flynn,” by Brad Hoff, Foreign Policy Journal, August 7, 2015 (thanks to Joshua):
In Al Jazeera’s latest Head to Head episode, former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency Michael Flynn confirms to Mehdi Hasan that not only had he studied the DIA memo predicting the West’s backing of an Islamic State in Syria when it came across his desk in 2012, but even asserts that the White House’s sponsoring of radical jihadists (that would emerge as ISIL and Nusra) against the Syrian regime was “a willful decision.” [Lengthy discussion of the DIA memo begins at the 8:50 mark.]
Amazingly, Flynn actually took issue with the way interviewer Mehdi Hasan posed the question—Flynn seemed to want to make it clear that the policies that led to the rise of ISIL were not merely the result of ignorance or looking the other way, but the result of conscious decision making:
Hasan: You are basically saying that even in government at the time you knew these groups were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who wasn’t listening?
Flynn: I think the administration.
Hasan: So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?
Flynn: I don’t know that they turned a blind eye, I think it was a decision. I think it was a willful decision.
Hasan: A willful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood?
Flynn: It was a willful decision to do what they’re doing.
Hasan himself expresses surprise at Flynn’s frankness during this portion of the interview. While holding up a paper copy of the 2012 DIA report declassified through FOIA, Hasan reads aloud key passages such as, “there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria, and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime.”
Rather than downplay the importance of the document and these startling passages, as did the State Department soon after its release, Flynn does the opposite: he confirms that while acting DIA chief he “paid very close attention” to this report in particular and later adds that “the intelligence was very clear.”
Lt. Gen. Flynn, speaking safely from retirement, is the highest ranking intelligence official to go on record saying the United States and other state sponsors of rebels in Syria knowingly gave political backing and shipped weapons to Al-Qaeda in order to put pressure on the Syrian regime:
Hasan: In 2012 the U.S. was helping coordinate arms transfers to those same groups [Salafists, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda in Iraq], why did you not stop that if you’re worried about the rise of quote-unquote Islamic extremists?
Flynn: I hate to say it’s not my job…but that…my job was to…was to ensure that the accuracy of our intelligence that was being presented was as good as it could be….
As Michael Flynn also previously served as director of intelligence for Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) during a time when its prime global mission was dismantling Al-Qaeda, his honest admission that the White House was in fact arming and bolstering Al-Qaeda linked groups in Syria is especially shocking given his stature….
cs says
There is a lot to say about that…
Julian says
And a lot that will not be done..
Shane says
We need Fox News or another TV news network to interview this guy and get his comments on the record. This is huge news that Obama is behind the creation of ISIS or at least that he helped ISIS get its start. The Muslim Brotherhood is our enemy as they are dedicated to creating the worldwide Caliphate.
Ralph says
Surprised that Obama is a traitor? He was born and raised a Muslim. Jeremiah Wright’s (a “former” Muslim) “church” taught Black Liberation Theology. (“God d**n America”) His family and his “mentor” were all Communists. His imperial pronouncement that America “is no longer a Christian nation,” and his shadowy, secretive past all combine to effect the conclusion that Obama is indeed a traitor and deserving of death by firing squad.
quotha raven says
Top Ralph – Not to mention, if you want to judge a man by his actions, that BHO has been 100% consistent in his support of the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR and other huge Muslim, shariah-supportive organizations, appointing them to his bureaucracies here in the US Gov, and arming and supporting them abroad, wherever and whenever he can, and FEH, having them hang out at the White House…
Don’t forget, the whole, disruptive, disastrous “Arab Spring” was HIS concept, and he tried to encourage chaos, rebellion and the installation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a potentially unifying entiity, starting (with limited success) with Egypt. Cheers! Quotha R
quotha raven says
please make that “to Ralph – ” Haste makes…typos))) qr
Brian says
I am not surprised in the least. Obama is a closet Muslim using taqyyia pretending to be Christian which of course is allowed in jihad. No one has ever questioned his Christian credentials and there is NO record of him ever converting to Christianity….not even a baptismal record….He has made concerted efforts to bolster Islam and denigrate Christianity in words and actions since he started office. He has lied consistently at every turn and people have been taken in hook, line and sinker.
He has all the hallmarks of being a psychopath.
Beth says
“Obama is a closet Muslim using taqyyia pretending to be Christian”
Absolutely!
I pray for the day to come – where he will once and for all – be exposed for what he truly is – a devout Muslim. Although, I must ask – what more will it take for the people to see?
Peggy says
It would take the media to want to tell the people.
How many people don’t even know about this site let alone come here?
People only know what they are told and don’t have the time or energy to look for the truth.
Watching CNN is easy. When you don’t know how to pay your next bill the last thing on your mind is getting on the net and looking for answers. That’s the reason our western governments have directed all their policies toward making us poorer and only concentrating on surviving without time for living.
Lynn says
Using taqiyya, he dances around islamic slander. He can’t say anything that will throw a poor light upon islam. Even if it is true. truth about islam s slander. People need to chew on the different meanings for the same word for a minute or two. Slander to the islamic is not the same as it is in the English meaning. Understanding that simple concept while listening to BHO babble on it easy to see what he’s doing.
Question is: WHO is going to call him on it?
Alissa says
What really scares me is this…what does obama and his leftard government have in store for us. He has another 6 months and I’m sure he will end with a grand finale of further treachery…but in what form.
Another thing that scares me…can they rig the next election so muslima clinton wins? I’m sure they did in the last election so obama would win his second term. This country can not take another 4 years of leftist traitors. There will be nothing left of freedom in American.
quotha raven says
Well, Alissa, one factor for sure is how many “motor-voter” states there are. By this I mean states who issue drivers’ licenses to illegal aliens, who can then use the licenses to register to vote, or they are “automatically” registered to vote upon receiving the license. I can assure you that this admin is great at getting out the vote any way they can. That’s one thing “community organizers” do well.
And also, as far as I know, efforts to require picture i.d. to vote fails in most states almost as soon as it is suggested, so that we don’t damage the self esteem of those on welfare, those who don’t speak English, and so on, and on and on and on.
Cheers! Quotha
Jean Terry says
It seems like he has another year and a half to do more damage. That is really scary to me. One thing after another, the latest being the new energy mandate. He does exactly what he wants to do. The country is more divided than it has ever been.
Jack says
No doubt John McCain played a big role in this, he/they tried to do the same in Egypt but it backfired, these evil people involved in creating this monster (ISIL) are worse than the ones doing their dirty work,
Bamaguje says
Obama and Hilary did the same thing in Libya.
They used NATO to help Al-Qaeda linked Islamists dethrone the quasi-secular Gaddafi. Just like in Syria, Obama hyped the Libyan Jihadists as pro-democracy rebels.
The Jihadists Obama installed later killed 4 American diplomats in Benghazi. Libya is now an Al-Qaeda/ISIS haven.
Beth says
They used NATO to go to war with the Serbs – who were fighting back against muslims (who were only carrying out the commands of their own Koran)…
Their actions are not new.
Peggy says
And the Serbs are still being portrayed in movies and shows as the evil ones. You can’t fight against powerful propaganda.
Croatia was a Nazi state created and supported by Nazi Germany in WW2. Croatians exterminated 700,000 Serbs, Jews and Gypsies in Jasenovac under the very symbol they have on their flag now and they were allowed to join EU with that flag.
Why, because Germany calls the shots in Europe which only proves that Germany hasn’t reformed or repented.
What were once good guys have become bad guys. NATO has joined this Nazi club along with former good guys, US, UK and France.
abad says
Obama needs to be impeached
boakai ngombu says
… aiding and abetting the enemy …
Charli Main says
Obama IS THE ENEMY. Actions speak louder than words and Obama´s actions speak for themselves.
cs says
IMO, he is just giving the means for Islam to grow and destroy itself, at some point it there will be so much violence perpetrated by the Death Cult, that it will be impossible to anyone defend it. But the twist is, that it will happen so much destruction, that we will have very repressive Governments ruling over us. Do you recognize Orwell? Well I do. Wait and see. Islam are the useful idiots for this plan, with their legendary stupidity and violence.
underbed cat says
Al Queda now and al Queda then….all the way back to Chicago….I wonder if that is possible….they had to sleep somewhere.
Angemon says
Seeing how the article in al-jazeera is titled “Who is to blame for the rise of ISIL?”, that’s exactly the angle they’re going for – ISIL has nothing to do with islam, it’s a White House/CIA conspiracy.
underbed cat says
I guess this is the problem with the “chain of command” …and no stop gaps to alert on aiding your enemy. Like having a faulty decision making machine,where the “error’ prompts a notice, but it is malfunctioning.
RonaldB says
“I guess this is the problem with the “chain of command” …and no stop gaps to alert …”
This has been a problem for at least 50 years and probably longer than that. H.R. McMaster in Dereliction of Duty
http://www.amazon.com/Dereliction-Duty-Johnson-McNamara-Vietnam/dp/0060929081
described in detail how a dysfunctional Joint Chiefs of Staff allowed themselves to be railroaded into tacit approval of US involvement in Vietnam. They knew the Johnson administrations plans were unworkable and doomed to failure, but they went along. Basically, the US lost 58,000 men and the Vietnamese a million, to pursue a war through lies and evasions that was never meant to be won.
EYESOPEN says
You are absolutely correct RonaldB.
Beagle says
“Enabled” is a fantastic weasel word which allows Muslims, in their perpetual and profound state of conspiratorial illogic, to deny Islam has any part in creating and supporting Islamic jihad. But as we have seen, even when the US tries (albeit half-heartedly) to destroy these groups they do not go away.
Jay Boo says
Luckily, Obama is only supporting the smiley-faced John McCain and NPR vetted Muslims. If only the NPR image makeover crew could rush to the scene like the did before the Morsi Muslim Brotherhood remake and reassure us that the fowl smell of a skunk is actually a rose.
Peggy says
No conspiracy, the truth.
ISIL is very Islamic but at the same time it was funded and supported by those traitors in the WH.
IS would never have become this strong if it wasn’t for dirty politicians in the west. Assad, Gadaffi and Egypt would have had a better chance of sorting them out if left alone to do so.
So yes, we can blame the west just as much as Islam for this particular evil.
cs says
“Assad, Gadaffi and Egypt would have had a better chance of sorting them out if left alone to do so.” Include also Saddam. But I strongly disagree.
If they were left to their own devices they would still nurturing this ideology in hibernation and it would appear sooner or later, it was there all the time, better we deal with it now than later, and that is exactly what is happening, if we let them more time perhaps they would be too strong. It is better let them show their true colors now.
Peggy says
I don’t think they would have been strong. Those dictators would have kept them in line until the next dictator and so on.
Those dictators had successors from their own families to continue. Some people are not ready for anything else and perhaps after a few generations of dictators they would have some of their primitive ways abandoned.
I know that Iraq especially was the most progressive country there and women did not cover and were encouraged to take up university studies. Education is the key and eventually enough people would be educated to know better.
Once the first gulf war happened everything went backwards and Iraq became a third world country in every sense. People didn’t have the will or means to continue to progress.
Every country which was beginning to be progressive has regressed big time since US started to support “democratic voices”.
So I disagree that radical element would have become stronger. I think it would have become weaker.
duh_swami says
‘Treason !!!!! she shouted…again, and again, and again and…Is this bum, Rasool Obama ever going to be held accountable for anything?
silvergreycat says
abad, boakai ngombu, duh_swami…
At least 2/3 of the Senate–67 Senators–are needed to remove Mr. Obama from office. I presently don’t believe the House and Senate leaders, *both* Democrat and Republican, wish/want impeachment to happen.
source… http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/
boakai ngombu says
There has to be some way the states can make their displeasure known, to influence those given responsibility to ACT.
Before his Maker (which is not the malevolent, belligerent Allah god of islam), POTUS and company will stand condemned for deceit and betrayal, unless true repentance be done. As it stands, POTUS is an impenitent and in danger of being condemned. Only Christ Jesus can save him; the Allah god of islam cannot.
Beagle says
Yep.
http://pamelageller.com/2015/05/isis-strategic-asset.html/
As of 2012, the US and it’s so-called allies viewed the rise of a Sunni caliphate as a possible “strategic asset”. We see this over and over from the mujahideen in Afghanistan through the Balkans and now IS. Jihadis are not our friends, but that never seems to stop our government from pretending they can be.
Beagle says
Gee thanks autocorrect: its.
I guess the argument will be that the US caused IS or whatever. No, Islam caused every jihad group, ever.
Islamic supremacists like to hold every possible contradictory position. The US created IS, which they support in its efforts to destroy the US. The Jews created IS…. And so on.
somehistory says
Even if *retired*…he may not be **safe**!
Beth says
“Instead, it will get little notice and no action whatsoever.”
If this nation does see another civil war (God forbid) – the mainstream media needs to be the first to go.
There is a difference between Freedom of Speech – and Treason.
Silvia says
Basically, he’s saying that Obama=Hitler and the US=Nazi Germany
Peggy says
Thanks for dirty politicians in the west headed by US yes, that’s exactly what we have now.
Hitler used Muslims to help advance his dreams.
The elites are using Muslims to help advance their dreams through dirty politicians and the media. We have to face the truth and admit it. If we don’t we will continue to allow our government to do this in our name and there is no way I want this done in my name.
quotha raven says
To Peggy – Technically, they are not “dirty” politicians, but BOUGHT AND PAID FOR POLITICIANS. Sorry to shout. These politicians are not “dirty,” because some years ago, you may recall, the US Supreme Court found that corporations have the same rights to free speech as individual citizens – enabling them to give as many dollars as they like to any politician they like.
Customarily, corporations give pots of money to BOTH parties, and hello! Our government is bought and paid for! What citizen could possibly compete with huge corps for donated dollars?
Get real, Peggy, and THINK about what that Constitution-ignoring finding by the Supremes means. It was one of the early steps, accomplished by the US Supreme Court, of trashing the US Constitution, which they are charged to uphold and interpret. Well, Darling, now you see what the Supremes hath wrought! You should look into Kelo versus New London for another lesson in the dismantling and destruction of our precious Constitution. Welcome, Peggy, to Post-Constitutional USA. How are you enjoying it so far?
It amuses me that so many of my dear friends are so impressed by Wassername, the female contender who was in the early debate (which I did not see; I have to watch reruns on computer, as I do not have cable or tv).
The one thing one hears on the news about her, after how impressive she was, is that she needs to raise a gob of money and gain more recognition. What my friends fail to realize is that THE MONEY SHE RAISES IS FOR SELLING HER SOUL! She will have been bought and paid for! Hello! Are you beginning to realize the role the US Supreme Court has played in absolutely trashing the Constitution is?
Cheers! Quotha R
Cheers! Quotha Raven
Peggy says
You’re right. Bought and paid for is the correct term.
The system is not working for us so we have to dismantle the system, but how?
quotha raven says
To Peggy – I have no solution. I just want you to be aware of how the “checks and balances” system is working. I grew up during an age when the Supreme Court was trusted, or at least expected, to be motivated by duty and respect for the Constitution, rather than politics. Everything has changed since they determined, in their wisdom, that corporations have the same rights as individuals when it comes to political contributions.
What the Supremes did with that decision is to usher FASCISM into the United States Government.
Sorry, my dear, but it’s the Supremes who have shat chunks out of the Constitution every bit as much, if not more than, BHO has done in his frequent end-run around Congress.
So, like I said, How are you enjoying life in Post-Constitutional USA? Cheers! Quotha R
underbed cat says
Was this conversation on C-span? It is hard to understand that these comments won’t expose what is currently an insurgency of ideology and how deception was done.
josiahlongknife says
Isn’t this like what they called TREASON?
mortimer says
Hillary did it.
mortimer says
Obama made the decision to throw Middle East Christians and minorities under the bus.
Peggy says
And Clinton made the decision to throw Balkan Christians under the bus.
This tretchery goes back a long way.
Obama is just finishing the job.
Don McKellar says
This is stunning to see. How is Obama’s rubber duckie still afloat at this point? He is an unsinkable rubber (lame) duck president right now! SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING!
Robert wrote, after noting duly that the sources as suspect and whatnot: “… if this transcript is accurate…” But we just have to watch the show to see if this transcript is accurate or not. Here it is:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2015/07/blame-isil-150728080342288.html
This whole video is an astonishing take down of the Obama regime. This should be the stake in the vampire’s heart. BUT THERE’S NO VAN HELSING!
Don McKellar says
There’s some real hair-splitting bullshit from the host, but then the key stuff comes on at right around the 9 minute mark and it’s pretty remarkable as it goes on.
cs says
What to expect from this guy? He is proper supremacist dumbass.
quotha raven says
To Don McKeller – I tried for 20 minutes to access the video you describe, but I was unsuccessful. Got to the Al Jazeera site okay, but could not find or access that or any video.Have you got a better link, or any suggestions? Thanks in advance. Cheers! Quotha R
Beth says
“White House made “willful decision” to support al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood”
Who is surprised by this – let’s see a show of hands.
If a high-ranking member of the U.S. military is surprised? – we’re all in trouble.
Louise from Canada says
“The rise of Islamic State was ‘a willful decision.” And that is what we all knew from the beginning.
wildjew says
Just a little (not much) OT:
In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, an excerpt of which was published Saturday ahead of the full interview Sunday, Obama was asked if he thought it was “appropriate of a foreign head of government to inject himself into an American affair……”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-says-israeli-interference-in-us-affairs-over-iran-deal-unprecedented/
In his best-selling book, “The Post American World” which Barack Obama was seen carrying (‘and presumably reading’) from a picture snapped by Doug Mills of the New York Times in Bozeman, Montana, May 2008, Fareed Zakaria wrote the following:
“A cottage industry of scaremongering has flourished in the West — especially the United States — since 9/11. Experts extrapolate every trend they don’t like, forgoing any serious study of the data. Many conservative commantators have written about the impending Islamization of Europe (Eurabia, they call it, to make you even more uncomfortable)….The watchdogs note the musings of every crackpot Imam, search the archives for each reference to the end of days, and record and distribute the late-night TV musings of every nutcase who glorifies martyrdom….” etc. (pages 15-16)
http://www.timesofisrael.com/obama-says-israeli-interference-in-us-affairs-over-iran-deal-unprecedented/
US President Barack Obama said Israeli interference in internal US affairs ahead of a Congressional vote on the Iranian nuclear deal was unprecedented.
In an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, an excerpt of which was published Saturday ahead of the full interview Sunday, Obama was asked if he thought it was “appropriate of a foreign head of government to inject himself into an American affair…..”
Obama says Israeli interference in US affairs over Iran deal unprecedented
As battle between White House and pro-Israel lobby for Congressional votes heats up, president says he doesn’t recall a time when a foreign leader injected himself into an internal debate
BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF August 8, 2015, 10:49 pm 28
wildjew says
In my haste, sorry for the misspellings, grammatical errors, etc…..
Kasey says
Surely it’s time The Koran was declared openly to be a ” terror manual” which all jihadists utilize for the actions.
jewdog says
A while back I predicted that the desperate attempt to find proxies to contain jihadism or terrorism would eventually lead to the absurdity of looking to Al Qaeda as a relatively moderate force. There are very few truly reliable moderate Islamic forces – the Kurds and the Egyptian regime are the closest approximations. We need to admit that Islam itself is the issue and either purposely support the loser as villainous forces battle it out, or go in and set up Sharia-free zones once and for all. The French had the right idea in 1848 in Algeria in response to the Barbary pirates, but those were the days when the West had self-confidence.
RonaldB says
I agree with you that there are no moderate Islamic forces, but there are mortal feuds in the Islamic world, and they can be exploited.
For example, it’s no secret that Saudi Arabia and Turkey tacitly supported the Islamic State..at least until it became a threat to them. Iran is the wrong sect of Islam, and tacitly supports Syria and other anti-Islamic State entities, such as the Shi’ite Iraqis.
The interests of the US are to prevent any preeminent country from emerging, and also to maintain strong but opposing countries which expend all their energies defending against each other.
So, Iran supports the Syrian government and the Shi’ite sectors of Iraq and maybe Kurdistan to contain the Islamic State. Saudi Arabia shores up the Gulf States. The US should keep an eye on the process but not interfere.
Of course, it’s very much in the interests of the US that Iran not acquire a nuclear weapon. We’re in the funny situation of tacitly allying with Iran in some areas, but having a deadly confrontation in others. That’s actually not too unimaginable when dealing with totalitarian countries.
The foremost interest of the US is to not admit any more Muslims into its borders. With massive Muslim immigration, all the other actions are simply tactics as we lose the war.
jewdog says
The approach of remotely managing the chaos is good for the short term; in the long run we will have to be there.
Jay Boo says
What part of, “No god but Satan” don’t they understand?
Robert_K says
About this: ‘Obama White House made “willful decision” to support al-Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood in Syria’
– Obama could say using the words of the previous president, “Mission Accomplished!”
duh_swami says
# if Allah had a son….
He does have six daughters, Al-Lat , Al-Uzza, Maat, and Al-Hillary, Al-Jarrett, and
Al-Harf. It was they who taught Rasool Obama how to fundamentally change America into something more acceptable to Allah…This requires stealth jihad from the White House…sometimes known as the ‘house of lies and taqiyya’, also frequent acts of treason…of course if it’s in Allah’s name, it is not treason, it is a holy act.. Al-Hillary said…’We came, we saw, he died’…hysterical laughter…That’s them…that’s what they do…Allah never laughs, but he does chuckle now and then,……
somehistory says
And sometimes, although very serious, your comments make me laugh. Humor under such circumstances as we face can relieve much stress.
Baucent says
I think we are getting close to the truth here. In 2012 Asaad was the bogeyman for the Obama administration, but use of US ground troop to bring about his demise was counter to the Obama doctrine. It is plausible that indirect talks took place with Islamist fighters with a view to recruiting them in the fight against the Syrian leader. Perhaps weapons and money was supplied to these groups that became ISIL. By the time the Administration realized these groups could not be trusted and had shocking plans to dominate the region it was too late. It wouldn’t be the first time a “freedom fighter” group has morphed into something unsavory.
quotha raven says
To Baucent — A savvy comment, as always from you. I wonder whether you believe, as I do, that the whole Benghazi catastrophe was about the USA running guns through Turkey to Syrian “freedom fighters”…I gather from yours above that you think it at least “plausible.” The US office attacked in Benghazi was not a consulate, as it is so often referred to, but a field office for the CIA, non? Cheers! Quotha R
Baucent says
I think that was exactly what Benghazi was about. The CIA annex crew were buying up SAMs and other weaponry direct from various renegate Jihadist groups, to shift them over to Syria to the opposition groups fighting Asaad. The reason this is plausible as it’s straight out of the CIA playbook, see Iran/Contras, Laos secret war etc.
somehistory says
When hillary was questioned about running guns/weapons out of Libya, to Turkey and on into Syria, she said, “To Turkey?” But she did not deny running guns/weapons. She said others would have to be asked about it.
C. Wm. Rothman says
SO WHY DO JEWS SUPPORT BHO AND OTHERS WHOSE BEHAVIOR, IF NOT THEIR RHETORIC, LEANS TO ANTI-SEMITISM. Okay, okay! All this is truly outrageous and egregious, granted. So my question is this: given that there’s even the slightest possibility that BHO is a closet muslim and has willfully supported the ISIS. snubbed Israel since Day 1 of his presidency, WHY DO THE JEWS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPPORT HIM IN SUCH BIG NUMBERS?
According to this source the Jewish Virtual Library, right at 70% of Jews who voted in 2012 voted for BHO! (source: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/jewvote.html) This is characteristic of Jewish voting as 85% voted for FDR, a man who turned his back on the Jews of Eastern Europe refusing to engage while millions were murdered.
Why do Jews continue to support BHO?
quotha raven says
Well, C WM ROTHMAN – I have a Jewish tax man whom I’ve respected, enjoyed and trusted for more than twenty years, and he, too, voted for BHO. I asked him why, as we’ve occasionally discussed Israel, and he said – these are his exact words – “I’m a Brooklyn Jew; I vote Democrat! What do you expect?
He does have a great sense of huimor, so I didn’t know how to take that, but I didn’t follow up. Anyway, that was his answer. Go figure! Cheers! Quotha R
cs says
I would say that some habits are difficult to die off. I can say about myself, I would always vote labor, but now I will just not do it.
Peggy says
Labor, Liberal all the same. All serve the same master.
Some differences in domestic policy but on the global scale all the same sold souls.
The elites have all the ducks in the row and don’t even bother to hide much any longer. They sit comfortably knowing that they have the politicians and through them the military to protect them.
voegelinian says
The most benign scenario possible — still disastrous enough — is that the Washington context which allows Obama sociopolitical traction to pursue his policy goals, themselves indulge a Geopolitikanschauung (a geopolitics worldview) vis-à-vis the problem of Islam (which in their perspective, of course, is not a problem of Islam but rather a problem of the whack-a-mole terrorism-cum-guerrilla destabilization of the Tiny Minority of Extremists Who Have Nothing to do With Islam) guided by at least two conceits:
1) that in the maelstrom of the hot spots of the Muslim world, there exist viable numbers and groupings of moderate jihadists (or if not strictly speaking “moderate”, at least capable of forming useful alliances with us in the long-term);
2) the old order that prevailed both prior to, and in the wake of, the protracted dismantlement of Western Colonialism, must be “reconfigured” or “rebooted” with a new Operating System – the old order being a political order throughout the Muslim world whereby tin-pot dictators had their falafel and ate it too: they kept their corrupt power & money and supported the West against Communism, while at home they also knew (being Muslims themselves) that they had to keep a constant lid on the natural demographic pressure caused by Muslims, involving among other things a near constant holding action against paramilitary/terror coups threatening to topple them in the name of a “purer” Islam.
#1 and #2 above do dovetail, when one fits them into the PC MC worldview: both are in different ways predicated upon the belief that in the Muslim world, “The People” are mostly freedom-loving and, when they want to take up arms against a despotic regime, are just like America’s Founding Fathers and the freedom-fighting patriots of Boston, etc. – even better (in the perspective of those besotted by PC MC): they are Brown People fighting for freedom against tyrants. Meanwhile, as Muslims have been pursuing their protracted global revival of Islam after a 300-year-long reversal of fortunes that have increasingly humiliated what should be the Best of Peoples surrounded by superior seas of filthy Kuffar striding over the world and controlling pop culture and global economies, they have been pushing for one step after another in a chain of dominoes to attain this goal – including not only disparate yet interconnected terrorism, not only transnational Daw’a and Jihad of the Feet (immigration into the Enemy Camp of the Dar al Harb), but also the regional jihads of the “Arab Spring”. In this complex, protracted dynamic, Muslims who in the old order, before PC MC became the dominant worldview of the West, were more or less pawns of Western geopolitics, have now become the dog wagging the sincerely hapless Wilsonian Dogwalker who, among other disastrous things, looks on at the alarming meltdown of the old order of dictators who kept a cork of sorts on the Genie-in-the-Bottle of Islamic fanaticism and, instead of being appropriately alarmed, think: “Oh, look at all the freedom-loving Brown People who if we only help them get their freedom-loving Moderate Islamic way, will help us manage this problem of the Tiny Minority of Extremists which otherwise would get out of control!”
Moa says
Barry Rubin explained exactly why the Democrats support the Muslim Brotherhood:
Barry Rubin: Assessing Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood [30 mins]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNQCEZlK5ig
The most interesting bit comes in question time.
This Administration think they are smart, but they are ignorant of their own ignorance. Their arrogance is astounding.
Scott says
Robert,
You need to get this story out to Fox (Hannity or Megan Kelly).
If they can get Flynn on their shows to go on the record with this. Obama is through……..perhaps not literally, but his political status would be of “marking time”. He used to tell the big lie once a quarter, then it was once a month, now it’s practically daily……
Peggy says
Quotha raven said:
“So, like I said, How are you enjoying life in Post-Constitutional USA? Cheers! Quotha
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Actually I live in Australia but whatever affects the US eventually affects us too so I am not enjoying it one little bit.
quotha raven says
Peggy – Oh! I was relating to you as though you lived in USA. It seems to me that you Aussies have things a but better under control than we do…immigration, at least, in Australia is not simply out of control, as it is here in the USA. We could learn a lesswon or two from you. Cheers! Quotha
Peggy says
Yes we have things under control for now. While this government is in office it will stay that way because they introduced ‘Sovereign Borders’ policy where we turn back the boats now and send the invaders to either Nauru or New Guinnea.
But, if Labor (your Democrats equivelant) win the next election they will dismantle that policy and we will have thousands arriving by boats again.
The last Liberal government (Republican like) had the same policy which Labor quickly dismantled when they won.
quotha raven says
Peggy -At least Australia can boast of having more than one party. Here in the USA, the republicans are as useless and dangerous as the democrats. Thanks to a Supreme Court finding that corporations have the same right to free speech (read: support for candidates) as individual people have. Ever since that finding, our government has been nearly 100% bought and paid for by special interests. This is CLASSIC fascism! And voters, by and large, don’t seem to have a clue what’s at stake. Cheers! Quotha R
johnny says
Treason.
solange says
Before you introduce an abbreviation, it is customary to give its meaning first. I have no idea what DIA stands for and will now have to look it up in order to know what you are talking about.