“The man had a Kalashnikov, an automatic pistol, ammunition and a box cutter in his luggage.” Clearly he was intending to commit mass murder for his bloodthirsty god.
“US passengers overpower gunman who fired in Amsterdam-Paris train,” by Benjamin Massot, AFP, August 21, 2015:
Arras (France) (AFP) – A heavily-armed man opened fire in a “terrorist attack” on a high-speed train travelling from Amsterdam to Paris on Friday, injuring at least two people before he was overpowered by two American passengers.
The suspect, who was arrested at a railway station in the northern French town of Arras, was a 26-year-old from Morocco or of Moroccan origin who was known to the intelligence services, French investigators said.
The man had a Kalashnikov, an automatic pistol, ammunition and a box cutter in his luggage, one police source told AFP.
The motives for the shooting were not immediately known, although French prosecutors said counter-terrorism investigators had taken over the probe.
A jihadi could scream, “Allahu akbar! I am a Muslim and I am killing in accord with Islamic texts and teachings mandating jihad warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers!,” and authorities and the media would still be saying the motives were unknown.
…According to initial unconfirmed information from investigators, the two men who tackled the gunman were American soldiers who had apparently heard him loading his weapons in a toilet cubicle and confronted him when he came out.
The incident occurred at 5.50 pm (1550 GMT), the train operator said.
The gunman was arrested ten minutes later when the train with 554 passengers on board stopped at Arras station where armed police were waiting, a spokesman for the French state rail company SNCF told AFP.
One of the Americans who confronted the gunmen was injured, sources said. Media reports said a British man was also hurt, but the Foreign Office in London said there were no reports of any British casualties.
One victim was hit by a bullet but his life was not in danger, while the second suffered cuts to his elbow caused by a box cutter….
Paul says
‘The motives for the shooting were not immediately known,..’.
Let’s call in Shaggy and Scooby, for this one :
And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those meddling Marines…
t. says
”A jihadi could scream, “Allahu akbar! I am a Muslim and I am killing in accord with Islamic texts and teachings mandating jihad warfare against and subjugation of unbelievers!,” and authorities and the media would still be saying the motives were unknown.”
Brilliantly stated and precise in describing the sad state of affairs in the west regarding Islam, these days. Meanwhile, it made me laugh because as absurd as it may seem to be, it’s absolutely true!
M S case says
Somewhere on down the line these guys will probably be prosecuted for attacking this poor Islamic jihadists for islamophobi
uderbed cat says
That was an awesome move, very quick thinking. They saved many lives.
If they get charged…it would be despicable. I wonder if Obama would the describe these hero’s as right wing Christian militants…and the guy loading his weapon as a victim?
I hope the people on the train make his life saving action known.
Hope for the safety and recovery.
Karen says
That statement was expertly crafted by a very gifted writer, wasn’t it?
Isn’t it funny how people who would demand that level of evidence from one side, will label people on the other side with all manner of evil based on zero evidence? They are even sure of what you are thinking; obviously mean, racist, and Islamophobic thoughts.
Sam Hawkins says
I marvel at the forbearance shown by the hero Marines in not killing the jihadi on the spot — tearing him limb from limb, with their bare hands — then stomping on the remains for good measure.
voegelinian says
That would be imprudent, if only because he might provide valuable intel (under creative interrogation) on the other Muslims he likely colluded with to one degree or another, as well as other possible terror plots.
Unfortunately, one can all too often and with good reason suppose that authorities in various parts of the West will treat terrorists caught red-handed with too much legal respect, not as enemy combatants flagrantly rejecting Geneva convention behavior (no uniform, targeting innocents, etc.) who were caught on the battlefield killing us, but as criminal citizens deserving of legal niceties – thus not interrogated creatively as they should be (with psychological torture), not executed immediately after interrogation as they should be, but rather tying up our money and time with legal procedures.
t. says
What a comprehensive and accurate assessment, voeg!
TJFreedomJihad says
France should accept that they are at war, with the islam gang, (Calais and so much more), and award each Marine the famous Croix de Guerre . I suspect time will likely show they prevented a holocaust, on the train, without regard to their own lives!
ECAW says
Diverting 7,000 of your nation’s troops from defending it against external enemies to trying to hold down internal enemies is a de facto sort of acceptance of a state of war, isn’t it? And it’s only going to get worse.
http://john-moloney.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/the-canary-has-died.html
Linde Barrera says
I hope President Francois Hollande gives the 2 American Marines a medal for bravery in helping to keep France safe.
Linde Barrera says
I hope President Francois Holland will give the 2 American servicemen a medal for helping keep French citizens safe.
gravenimage says
Linde, they have been thanked by Hollande:
“France train shooting: Hollande thanks ‘heroes’ who foiled gunman”
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361
I hope they get formal medals, as well.
Linde Barrera says
I hope President Francois Hollande gives these 2 brave American servicemen a medal or award for helping to keep French citizens safe.
Arthur says
No doubt when these soldiers come home they will be immediately dismissed from the service for interference of a jihadist act.
nacazo says
I know, these marines stopped a pious muslim from performing his religious duties of inner struggle
otherwise known as jihad.
Throw the book at the mr president!!!
/sarc off
gravenimage says
Obama *has* praised them–but likely only because they had already been lauded as heroes in France and throughout Europe, and it would have been too embarrassing for him to do otherwise. If this incident had been less high-profile, I really doubt that would have been the case…
dumbledoresarmy says
He couldn’t not praise them…especially as one of them (the college student) is *black*. Old-fashioned Afro-American, the sort we see in Lt Col Allen West.
In a way, this team of absurdly-young Americans who led the charge against a mass-murder-minded Jihadi, is God’s gift to America, right now; because their smiling faces side by side, their easy friendship, and their cheerfully understated accounts of those few fast-and-hard moments on the train that made a Difference show all of us America at its *best*, America as it *ought* to be. Black and white non-Muslim Americans side by side, united in friendship, decency, courage, patriotism, and willingness to risk their lives to save the lives of innocent strangers. And smarts and teamwork. Acting intelligently and swiftly under great pressure. The young soldier in the team, Alexander Skarlatos (his background would be Greek originally? – and what a wonderful name to bear, Alexander), the guy just back from Afghanistan, gave the orders; the others, unquestioningly, unhesitatingly, *obeyed*, because they trusted his combat-hardened judgement.
They have, together, for a few shining moments, given America back her Honour.
*This * is the Order of the Phoenix in action.
This is *inspiring*.
Every black kid in America with any brains should be looking at Anthony Sandler and thinking – “I’d like to be like *that*”.
Every non-Muslim *kid* in America, no matter what colour, should be looking at all three guys and thinking – *that* has got to be *us*.
and since this was about Infidels by swift, cooperative action thwarting what could have been absolute carnage – imagine if, not content with murdering the people on the train, he had **crashed the train at a station** (remember, it’s the Very Fast Train, it goes at a hell of a clip) this is also inspiration, potentially, for young Infidels the world over, *all* of whom have to face the fact that something like this could happen on *their* watch.
Gravenimage – do you think you could, perhaps, do a little research and give us a portrait of these guys?
And maybe label it “The Order of the Phoenix”?
I hope Bosch Fawstin might consider doing an artistic tribute, as well. what they did is *exactly* what his ‘Pigman” counter-jihad superhero would have done. Perhaps Mr Spencer should suggest it to him. ‘Pig-man Congratulates…”.
Baucent says
Great piece of work by the Marines. Here is a thought, will the wounded Marine get a Purple Heart? The French appeasers are in denial again, hey maybe the gunman was a disgruntled railway worker?
But once again the lunatic EU freedom of movement treaty means you can board a train in the Netherlands heading to France with a bag containing an AK47, six loaded magazines, a pistol, a knife and no one checks you bag before boarding the train. Unbelievable in this current climate.
David M says
Wow, well done Marines, imagine how many people this Muslim would have killed. Imagine if this Muslim tells the authorities why he did it (pious Muslim), I bet they won’t write down his reasons, they will make something up, (probably the old stand-by mental illness). I’d like to see them wrap him in bacon in his prison cell, see how he likes that.
Joseph says
OORAH
Cecilia Ellis says
Ditto, Joseph!
ECAW says
We Guardian readers take a more nuanced view (that was sarcasm by the way).
Unfortunately, it is only jihad atrocities in the West that even stand a chance of waking up the general population before the stealth wing of Islamic supremacism has us trussed up like a chicken.
That means a succession of successful attacks. Unsuccessful ones don’t count. We need a long line of sacrificial victims to have the necessary effect.
Two points:
Firstly, casualties among different social groups will have differential “value” therefore to achieve the same awakening effect we will need martyrs according to the following scale:
“1000 ordinary Joes
500 soldiers (squaddies that is, or 50 officers)
200 police officers
100 academics
70 churchmen
30 journalists
20 celebrities
10 MPs
5 Government ministers
3 moneymen
1 Prime Minister or the Queen”
Secondly, as a matter of both effect and common justice, it would be preferable if the martyrs were drawn more from the groups which put us in this mess in the first place. For instance, a better target than a trainful of random folks would be the head offices in Brussels of the EU which orchestrates the ferry service from Libya to Italy and whose first response to an attack in Belgium a few months ago was to double the guard around themselves.
Cecilia Ellis says
You know, ECAW, I actually understand what you are saying and, unfortunately, I think you are correct. While this is certainly something neither of us would want, it is apparent that so many Westerners are apathetic, as was the case until 9/11. That inertia, however, has long since diminished. When Cecil the Lion inspires worldwide outrage, but the stoning of five women for their refusal to wear the hijab or the beheading of an 82-year-old archaeologist receives nothing more than a one-sentence report on the cable news networks, the message is clear: Sadly, it will take a lot of deaths to get the attention of the Western world and the jihadists are more than willing to provide that opportunity.
voegelinian says
In general terms, ECAW is correct (though his wording is odd, with locutions about what “we want” as though a) we desire such a tragic necessity, and b) we would be somehow orchestrating it – rhetorical oddity he could easily avoid by rewording). More specifically, he’s correct about the fact that certain types of targets of Islamic terror likely would have more effect on a populace of millions of ordinary people comfortably besotted with PC MC (and that wounded but not killed targets “don’t count” – but should count, of course).
However, I think he vastly underestimates the irrational threshold the West has for this: a grimmer and soberer assessment (based on the maddening complacency that already has existed for these past 15 years with a rate of waking up excruciatingly glacial) would conclude that it’s going to take no less than a million casualties, spread out in many different terror attacks in different places, before substantive awakening occurs. As I write that, I even pause to think that even one million is being too generous…
Jack Gordon says
I’m sorry to say that you’re right about this. I remember how Europe dealt with the Badder Meinhof gang, the Italian Red Brigades, and the ETA in Spain. Thanks to effective and intelligent actions in several countries, those thugs were eventually put out of business for the most part. Now I watch as a totally effeminate Europe wrings its collective hands and turns its anger, not toward the Muslim thugs in its midst, but instead toward political groups with the will to do something about this plague. The latter are easy targets and, unlike the Mohammedans, reasonable and civilized. Here in the States, of course, we have twice elected to the presidency a mediocre, small-time Chicago political radical who hates the West. Enough said.
ECAW says
Voegelinian – I’m sorry to see that you are struggling with English comprehension again.
I did not use the word “want”, only “need”. I don’t imagine the people on the South coast of England in 1944 wanted Allied soldiers to die on the beaches of Normandy but recognised the necessity.
Nor did I imply anything about our orchestrating it. That can safely be left in the jihadis’ hands.
Nor did I mean that 1000 squaddies or one prime minister would be sufficient to trigger the acceptance that we are at war, after which everything would naturally fall into place (including mass deportations – I agree, somewhere would be found, if only the uninhabited half of the Falkland Islands).
In fact I tend to take as dismal view as your self. It would probably take several or many multiples to wake us up, and even then there’s no guarantee that we won’t simply choose to submit with a whimper.
See here when I was feeling in a pessimistic mood (it’s short):
https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/in-memoriam/
TJFreedomjihad says
ECAW is right of course. In fact by one tenth or at least one fifth. And horribly, sadly, that it is so. I believe that a major contributor, if not the major reason, is the general national numbing brought about by the 50 million babies murdered in their mother’s wombs, since abortion began legally, and many of these in viable live birth condition!!! I believe also, it was in no small part due to the Margaret Sanger persona who began Planned Parenthood, as a Nazi lover, a eugenicist, and a believer in controlling the birth of blacks through abortions. She has been a ‘mother of murder’, I would say, no ‘woman of valor’ as Shrillary said, in 2009. And I am white and ashamed such a Hitleresque woman existed. Read up on her craziness, and how hillary and other politicians bathed in Sanger’s darkness!
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/
cultureshift: http://wearethepro-lifegeneration.tumblr.com/post/116782842808/cultureshift-i-admire-margaret-sanger
There is no valor, (said by shrillary, in receiving her award, of Margaret Sanger see above video of it) in murdering helpless babies, in their supposed to be loving mother’s wombs, since they are fully unable to defend themselves.
The Hippocratic oaths famous dictum-principle rings hollow indeed, to “First do no harm”!
All valor goes to our heroic true American servicemen, who demonstrated, the most famous principle, in the One Holy Bible, John 15:13, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” And 1 John 3:16 “This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters.”
This is what service is all about, and more as demonstrated, in France, proudly.
Jack Gordon says
TJFreedomjihad: Quite right. I can only add a moniker or two that I have developed to join those you use, e.g. Shrillary. I call her political party The Demoniac Party and I say its militants take their cue from Margaret Sanguinary.
Joseph says
ECAW, ““1000 ordinary Joes” ? ? ?
You have got to be kidding me! ! !Couldn’t you have put it a different way? ?…..Only kidding, I do however agree. 9/11 was a big event but it was just one, some people need to be hit in the head multiple times for them to get the message.
When the #hit starts to really hit the fan I bet you will see media blackouts all over the place. Internet too. Maybe I should get a short wave radio?
voegelinian says
Like I said, no less than a million mass-murdered by Muslims, AND in different parts of the West, will wake the West up. If you guys think a paltry few thousand is going to do the trick, you vastly over-estimate Ordinary People as being magically untouched by PC MC.
voegelinian says
The locution “we need” is no better than “we want”. So, a quibble.
ECAW says
For someone who slices words so fine, it is indeed remarkable that you deny the vast difference between “want” and “need” when it suits your purpose.
See here for explanation:
Joseph says
@ voegelinian
1000 ordinary Joes????
GET IT??? Try looking at my moniker.
Jay Boo says
@TJFreedomjihad
I think you may have made a typo
You wrote “Planned Parenthood”
That is a misnomer
It should read Planned (un-)Parenthood considering their mission.
gravenimage says
ECAW, I have to disagree. While successful Jihad terror attacks might make some Westerners angry, it is just as likely to frighten them or have the more apathetic and passive just accept these atrocities as the “new normal”.
Besides, if the murder of 3000 Westerners did nothing to wake up so many Kuffar, I’m not sure that another 1000 would be the magic number.
Besides, I don’t want to see *any more* victims fall to Jihad savagery.
I *much* prefer incidents like this one–where Infidels see non-Muslims *fighting back* against Jihad terror–and showing we can win.
ECAW says
That’s a very good point gravenimage. Examples of fighting back are inspiring and may act as an effective counterpoint to the incessant message from our elites that we must just shut up and take it or take the consequences.
However, a couple of other points:
1. You seem to have read my word “need” as “want” just as Voegelinian did.
2. So far, I think we have been in a game of own goals but I sense that is starting to change. See this veiled threat from Ingrid Carlqvist:
“The truth is that even the docile Swedish people have a limit. When those in power expose us to bloodbaths, whether in the Big Square of Stockholm in 1520 or at IKEA in Västerås in 2015, there will always be those who are ready to overthrow the mighty. Just as in Gustav Vasa’s day, a lot of Swedes have firearms. They are not as easy to come by as in the United States, but more and more Swedes are getting hunting licenses, and are thereafter legally able to buy guns. From now on in Sweden, anything can happen.”
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6379/ikea-murders-sweden
Also, yesterday I tried to engage an Australian anthropologist in debate. He seems to equate attacks from the Ummah with responses from Australians and fears the creation of Northern Ireland style militias.:
http://marranci.com/2015/02/17/will-australia-see-the-development-of-paramilitary-organisations-as-a-response-to-terror-fears/#more-1186
My comment is currently awaiting moderation but this is the end of it. Again, please do not confuse what I think is inevitable, or perhaps even necessary, with what I want:
“And yes, armed conflict between para-military groups in the West is sadly inevitable and this is the reason. Western populations are in the position of children whose foolish parents have brought home a tiger cub, insisting that it is just a rather large and boisterous kitten. As it grows, and various siblings suffer the inevitable consequences, the parents have to punish them ever more harshly for pointing out the obvious. Eventually, some are going to come to the conclusion that their parents will not protect them and they must protect themselves.”
Dave de la Rond says
Notice in every news service , AP, Reuters , CNN that Carey’s this story everyone of them never mentions the word Muslim or Islamic , The Shooter is from Morocco, is the phrase that is rrepeated over and and over . How pathetic the Muslim loving left wing press has become .
Charli Main says
Well, these two brave men are now really in the shyte now.
Attacking a Muslim about to practice his religion. A clear case of Islamophobia and a violation of his ” human rights”. Expect these two men to be arrested and charged with insulting islam any time now.
Barack Hussien Obama will probably issue an apology from the White Mosque any time now.
Islam_Macht_Frei says
BTW – not all French are unappreciative or snide about us Americans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjUk_UrHmf4
Maybe there are few more Sardou fans in France today, thanks to the United Sates Marines….
quotha raven says
To Islam Macht Frei –
What a great link. Thank you for it; It brought me close to tears in my present state of mind. so moved and so proud am I of these guys and my country. When I was in Paris about ten years ago on May First, a man, next to me at the bar where my friend and I were, gave me a flower(as is the tradition in France on May 1st) and said, “As my father always says, If it weren’t for you Americans, we’d all be speaking German.”
Thanks, too, In general, to the US Marines, but actually they did not pull off this particular act of courage. I don’t know why the headline of this article reads how it does, but it is wrong. In fact, the three brave Americans who tackled and secured this particular jihadist are not Marines. One is in the US Air Force, one in the Army National Guard, and the third a young civilian student. None, so far as i know, is older than 25.
Their names are USAF Airman First Class Spencer Stone, Army National Guard Specialist Aleksander Skarlatos, and Anthony Sadler, a student.at a SoCal university and a civilian. They were ultimately joined/assisted by a Frenchman and an Englishman, according to AP and other reports.
Cheers! Quotha R
John says
This is why we (you and I) should be always armed and ready to take charge if a terrorist is detected in our presence. There won’t always be somebody else to do it.
Three cheers for the brave actions of our boys!
DiMu says
The passengers in the train ought to have killed the bastard on the spot!
Harry_the_Horrible says
“The motives for the shooting were not immediately known, although French prosecutors said counter-terrorism investigators had taken over the probe.”
We are all jaded by American authorities and media who rule out/deny links to terrorism in obvious cases, but the French may actually have a good reason for doing so.
French law does have something roughly analogous to our Miranda rights except in the cases of suspected terrorism and narcotrafficking. In those cases the accused has no right to counsel for the first 72 hours. By delaying the charges that period can be extended giving intelligence and law enforcement authorities to look for co-conspirators, ring activities etc. So yes, it may seem obvious to the world at large that this was an act of terrorism, and it may reinforce the Inspector Clouseau stereotype of French authorities to delay the naming of such, but due to the peculiarities of French law, there may be valid reasons for doing so.
Courtesy of Joe 6-pack on FR
Renee says
I want to thank the Americans from the bottom of my heart, for their courage and saving many many lives. The train conductors, meanwhile were hiding in a securely locked place…. Europeans….. lack courage.
ECAW says
Do you mean all Europeans, the French or the train conductors?
I need to calibrate my offence.
Renee says
I have no data on the other people present in the the train wagon, but were there no other nationalities there, I bet at least some Dutch?!? Why did they not pitch in but (what I read) hid?
gravenimage says
There was a French banker, a Damien A., who did help.
dumbledoresarmy says
A few more details are coming out.
This story – if you click on the link – includes a picture of three of the guys who cooperated to take down the jihadi (the other guy, the leader of the group, the one who was first to make contact with the enemy – and was slashed in the neck with a boxcutter – is in hospital), and some detail on how they did it. It makes for deeply satisfying reading.
They have *already* been given some kind of acknowledgement by the French.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-22/french-train-attack-gunman-interrogated-by-french-police/6717608
Excerpt. Read it and feel deeply, deeply satisfied.
“…the attack was quickly stopped when a group of young Americans on holiday — two of them off-duty soldiers — charged the gunman and overpowered him.
“I looked back and saw a guy enter with a Kalashnikov.
“My friends and I got down and then I said, ‘Let’s get him’,” Alek Skarlatos, a 22-year-old member of the National Guard in Oregon, told reporters. [Skarlatos has fought mohammedans in Afghanistan; he’s seen active combat – dda]
“Spencer Stone, a US Air Force serviceman, reached the gunman first and was slashed in the neck and hand with a box-cutter.
“At that point I showed up and grabbed the gun from him and basically started beating him in the head until he fell unconscious,” said Mr Skarlatos, who recently returned from service in Afghanistan.
(See that? – “I …grabbed the gun from him and basically started beating him on the head until he fell unconscious”, said Mr Skarlatos.” I like that. one minute the jihadi thinks he’s lord of the world and he ‘s going to mow down hundreds of helpless people; next minute, wham, bam, he’s on the floor, a bunch of big guys are sitting on him, and *his own gun* is being used as a club to whack him… gotta love it. – dda).
“The third American, student Anthony Sadler, said the attacker “didn’t stand a chance”.
“As soon as we saw him, we all ran back there. It all happened really fast,” Mr Sadler said.
“He didn’t say anything. He was just telling us to give back his gun. ‘Give me back my gun! Give me back my gun!’
(Fat chance. Fat chance. – dda)
“But we just carried on beating him up and immobilised him and that was it.”
END EXCERPT.
They knocked him out, sat on him good and hard, and trussed him up like a chicken, ready to deliver him to the French.
“Mobile phone footage from inside the train and played on several TV stations shows the suspect, a skinny man wearing white trousers and no shirt, flattened on the floor of the train with his hands and feet tied behind his back.
A Kalashnikov is seen leaning against a seat and blood is visible on a window.”
END QUOTES.
A win for our side.
Yesterday, when this broke, I spent most of a morning wading through the Comments stream attached to the first Daily Mail article to report on it. Hundreds, hundreds of comments, and some of the highest-rated had been clicked up by *thousands* of people. Since at that stage it was assumed the three guys were all US Marines, specifically (I’m not sure now whether that is in fact the case) there was *lots* of praise of the Marines. The overwhelming impression was that most of those making the comments knew exactly who the Enemy was and were delighted to be able to celebrate a victory…the averting of what would have been a massive bloodbath. Relief and joy. There were expressions of gratitude and commendation from people identifying as Dutch, people identifying as French, and even one from a bloke with an Indian (Hindu) name. Lots of solidarity expressed between British and American commenters.
This has boosted Infidel morale enormously.
TJFreedomhihad says
Thanks dda, nice work great update, even better than Fox news which just finally gave a little bit of that, including having “Islamic ties”
voegelinian says
The details are quite inspiring, and dumbledoresarmy’s contribution is another example of countless one can find over the years of how comments can be significant additions, if not imporvements, on the lead story reported up top. On another note, while dumbledoresarmy’s inference about the multitudes of comments likely praising the immobilization of the Mohammedan by the three Americans is likely ostensibly correct, we should not exaggerate what this might indicate about the Learning Curve of the populace of the Dar-al-Harb (you know, that land that — according to Angemon and Phillip Jihadski — doesn’t exist geographically and therefore what, doesn’t exist at all…?). In a soberer and more jaded mood, one reminds oneself that those innumerable readers & commenters are praising the immobilization of one of the Tiny Minority of Extremists carefully (albeit incoherently) distinguished from the Majority of Muslims Who Just Want To Have a Sandwich (where the best we can hope for currently is that for this or that person, the “Tiny” has been marginally expanded to a Daniel Pipesian “Small”).
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Dar-al-Harb (you know, that land that — according to Angemon and Phillip Jihadski — doesn’t exist geographically and therefore what, doesn’t exist at all…?).”
And, of course, we just have to take your word on that, because you give no evidence of what I or PJ allegedly said. Again, I’m going to call out your BS: either bring forth evidence to back your claim or take back your words. I suspect you’ll do none of those – you can’t prove what didn’t happen and you won’t admit you’re lying out of spite for those who bested you over and over. All you have are cheap insinuations, which you try to push repeatedly until some believes in them (something about abolitionists and pushing a meme, I believe?).
And then you wonder why no one “defends” you…
dumbledoresarmy says
Did you go and *read* those Comments – every single one of them – like I did? (BTW, I observe that you seem to be implying that I am *misrepresenting* the tenor of those Comments).
FYI, **I read every single bl**dy one.** And I kept copies.
BTW – I understand that Daily Mail ‘moderates’ their comments, and that although they are a bit more relaxed about things than, say, the ‘Guardian’, really red-hot Islamo-critical comments can end up being moderated out, so what I saw was what managed to slither past under the DM ‘moderation’ radar. I have, in other places, heard the Islamo-savvy complaining that they cannot get plain-speaking comments through. So bear in mind: some of these commenters are speaking in ‘code’.
I didn’t see anybody who was at all interested in distinguishing this particular Muslim from any other kind of Muslim. (And I saw posters who saw the current wave of Muslim ‘refugees’ pouring into Europe, as a total disaster, period).
Here’s one sample comment, from an American – “The Middle East has been destabilised since 570 AD” (this, of course, is a reference to the rise of Islam). 193 people agreed with him. Note well – this is a reference to Islam, as such, not to a subset thereof.
Here’s Robert, from Worthing, UK ” These crazies are living amongst us and they’re many, many more than we’d like to think. Be weary of these people.”
Note well the “many, many more than we’d like to think”.
47 people agreed with him.
Here’s John Lumb from Halifax, UK – “unfortunatly here in europe.the dolts in charge are still letting potential loonys in.”
Here’s Skybinder, from Birmingham, UK – “Our way of life and Western Society is under attack and the Governments of Europe are doing nothing about it, and all because of PC BS.” – 112 people agreed with him, BTW.
Someone else (another UK resident) remarked, ironically, “There are an awful lot of “lone wolves” about. . It’s time our governments woke up and actually did their jobs of protecting us.” 146 people agreed.
TO WHICH an American replied, “It’s a pack of wolves, but our governments don’t want to admit that the situation is far worse than they say.” (He got 19 votes…and NO down-votes, which is the other thing to watch).
Another UK person remarked, This is going to get more and more frequent unless we close our borders.
Leah, from New York, said – “First of all, well done Marines! You make our nation proud, you have and you will. Does Europe still want to continue to take in people who belong to the Moroccan tribe? What in the name of god is wrong with Europe. Are the full of dumb idiots?!” 144 people agreed.
When someone asked “Just what do you want them to do with every potential security risk, have them tailed 24×7?”, someone from Rochester replied, succinctly, “Throw them out”.
Someone from Bristol – “And yet every TV Channel in the UK keeps giving a voice to those who want to let anyone who simply claims to be a refugee into Europe amd Britain without considering that many could be terrorists. No entry without vetting first!” 176 people agreed.
Note that “many”.
A New Yorker remarked, “But of course, “The motives behind the attack were not immediately known” It seems all governments are too afraid to state the obvious..”.
Someone from Amerham said, “Bring back internment”. And got 182 votes.
(All of these people got many more up-votes than down-votes, the down-vote were nonexistent or in single figures).
lancashire lass said – “Open borders hey, get them closed Europe, before anyone ELSE is killed!”
Someone from New York wrote – “we do not know his motives”. Geez, Europe, you are so screwed” to which a woman identifying herself as a resident of Newcastle, UK, said “We know! I am sitting and waiting for the real war where the real people start to fight back and are not scared to be heard or speak the truth and don’t hide anymore! When it happens I will smile and feel hope for the first time in years. Just like today.”
And someone from Cardiff, using the moniker “yusufislam’ (I suspect, ironically), backed her up – “The People suspect his motive but the weak politicians who allow unfettered illegal movement into Europe can’t allow people to know how badly they have failed their people so try and pretend it’s just a one-off. There are evil people out there who cannot settle in the West or adopt the West’s customs. The People know this but the politicians think they can hide it!”
Someone from Lindale, UK, said – “… This is what’s coming to us from Greece & Italy, The EU and all it’s leaders are gutless and weak we should have sent them back as soon as they landed and then millions would stop attempting to come and in the long run save many lives BUT OUR SO CALLED LEADERS REFUSE TO LISTEN”.
And a San Francisco person chimed in – “and just when will our politicians have the guts to just say this is islamic terrorism, without those marines, this would have been a slaughter, its time to stop the PC crap and face reality, or there will be nothing left of any western country”.
A Londoner – “Europe has a problem but some don’t like us talking about it.”
Somehow, by ‘problem’ I don’t think Londoner meant “just a very, teeny tiny number of Extremists”.
Here’s another, from ABC, in Kent, UK – “Surely this is the wake-up call Europe needs? Suspend the Schengen Agreement with immediate effect & arm the borders, backed up by mass deportations and internments.”
A Dutch poster remarked, succinctly and sarcastically – ” A Moroccan? What a surprise”. (345 people agreed).
NONE of those sorts of comments (and that’s some, not all; of course, the bulk of comments were one-liners expressing praise for and gratitude toward the heroes on the train) were getting any *down* votes worth mentioning; they were well down the comments stream (which comprised no fewer than **eleven pages’ worth, and is probably more now**) and in the middle of discussions and they were getting up-votes.
I’m going to be blunt with you – *you* are forgetting what Chesterton, who was far wiser than you are, said about the game of ‘cheat the prophet”. You are so invested in your personal theory being 100 percent right that you start spitting chips if anyone dares to suggest that it mightn’t – that the fog just *might* be starting to lift, here and there.
dumbledoresarmy says
Okay, here’s another. Plain enough for you?
This is “Allangre”, of Mansfield, UK.
“Glad to hear of the US Marines good deed. I hope the French will reward them well. I hope the marine injured recovers fully and quickly. Time to stop all Muslims from entering the EU including the UK.”
Number of up-votes – 252.
Bewick, Northumberland, somehow got *this* past the DM censors:
“…The point about “known to authorities” though is a valid one. There now seem to be rather many “known”. One suspects that we may be nearing a point where economically and strategically it may be necessary to take very radical action – as Spain once did?” And 28 people came out in the open and agreed with him.
voegelinian says
I think most in the Counter-Jihad can agree that the choices are not an Either/Or between “Nobody in the West is awake to the problem” and “The Western masses are all Jihad Watchers”. The reality, which cannot be definitively ascertained but only guessed at, is somewhere in the spectrum between (not to mention that it’s a moving target, not a static phenomenon, seemingly on an upward curve over time toward more awareness).
Aside from that, there remains the question of what measure we are using to define awareness and waking up. Waking up to what? While of course all the quotes dumbledoresarmy supplied are better than their opposites or better than variations on the low end of the TMOE (Tiny Minority of Extremists), they all suffer from an invisible force field one can detect, preventing them from simply saying the dreaded A word (All Muslims). I don’t know why my position of wanting more is deemed by so many in the Counter JIhad to be somehow a bad thing. In any process of seeking optimal quality, whether in a business or a sociopolitical movement (or even in personal growth), the pressures that demand better help to keep progress going. If everyone remains satisfied with the status quo, and even wrinkles their noses at those who venture that no, the status quo is not good enough, that’ would be a sure-fire way to retard progress.
But then we have the monkey’s wrench: the Softies, who don’t think the A word and the D (Deportation) word are progress at all…
quotha raven says
To DDA – Well said and compelling.
Do not mistake my support for Voeg’s presence here at JW for complete acceptance of all of his theories and suggestions. I love reading Voeg’s comments, and I humbly suggest that I have a mind of my own to decide whether I agree or disagree or simply agree to think a bit more about what he has to say. Same is engaged when I read your own remarks, which I always find though provoking and usually crisp.
I cherish open communication in these comments at JW, and the disagreements are as interesting if not more interesting to me than those who simply indicate “hear, hear!” I find substantive arguments much more edifying than “Those muzzies are evil” type of comments.
I think about the thousands or millions of readers here who do NOT comment, and I think they, too, find various and sundry opinions instructive.
It’s exactly how I think “free speech” should work and has always worked. Cherish it or lose it.
Cheers! quotha r
quotha raven says
to DDA and everybody – Please accept after the fact edit.
I meant: “thought provoking and usually crisp.” not “though provoking”
sorry. cheers. qr
gravenimage says
Excellent post, DDA. Very inspiring.
Dave J says
Hmm, another “lone wolf” with “unknown motives” or one of many wolves in the wolf pack that has declared war on us all and now preys on the innocent and wondering herd. The herd that won’t defend itself or even recognize the predators. The herd that defends the “religious” rights of the infiltrators and invites more into the fold, offering housing, welfare and “compassion”.
Rather than bankrupting ourselves by the constant tracking of every potential jihadist and overreaching “security measures” there is an obvious solution: Halt such “migration” and expel every last one of them back to their glorious caliphate.
voegelinian says
“Lone wolf” presumes that Muslims are not part of a social networking that has nothing to do with Western history, society, culture, or psychology, but rather has its own history, society, culture, and psychology, A better zoological metaphor for Muslims is the army ants (or “jihad ants”). When we see a solitary ant away from its army, there are two likely explanations: 1) it is scouting out for the army, 2) other members of the army are present, but not seen by us.
Marty Mott says
You have to carefully observe every Muslim AND BE READY TO ACT to defend yourself and others in the area!
TJFreedomjihad says
Marty and DDA, here is more of direct relevance and more detailed coverage on this story, making the situation even more incredibly great for our heroes, and direct knowledge also for all Patriotic Americans, who love Liberty and believe the truth of my earlier entry regarding the Bible, and John….
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/08/maintain-situational-awareness/#more-37129
Situational awareness, and belief in applying the Holy Bible precepts and guidance, really help. As demonstrated in France by three boys…….Our real men, see this story above….
The father of one of the men was interviewed by Fox news, and yes, it was very interesting, what the father had to say, very interesting, and topical to life today.
voegelinian says
Yes, Gates of Vienna blog often supplements quite valuable information pertinent to the Counter-Jihad. It would be nice if there were more official coordination between this site and that; but hopefully, all readers of this site will have already taken it upon themselves to learn about That Site.
dumbledoresarmy says
Off topic, but since the subject of the ‘awakening’ of the infidel world to its state of peril has arisen, I will throw it in anyway.
For the benefit of any jihadwatch regulars who are wont to be unduly pessimistic as regards the capacity of the average Infidel – especially the under-40s – to recognise the nature and source of the mortal danger in which we are placed, I would like to share two stories that I recently encountered out there on social media, presented by *young* people – people in their twenties, no older. Both are fully clued up about Islam.
here’s the first. The writer, who calls herself “Dom the Conservative”, writes as follows:
“I was asked how I came to do what I do:
“When I began to hear about Islamic terrorists, including 9/11.
“I had just entered high school [see that? – presumably, therefore, around 12 years old in 2001 – i.e. born around 1989 – dda] when Muslims flew planes into the WTC. I thought little of it, that “bad people” do bad things and it was a terrible tragedy.
“In my early 20s, I began hearing that Islam was fundamentally violent or Islam was a religion of peace.
“When I hear two contradictory statements, or see actions that contradict statements, I never take either at their word — I investigate for myself.
(see that, everyone here who is fond of representing the great western public, especially the under-40s, as terminally dumbed down…the situation may not be as bad as you think – dda)
“I began reading the Quran and Hadith.
“I found the unfettered answers. No propaganda, no “sides,” no twisting — pure scripture translated directly from Arabic. Every translation from the historical Islamic scholars was the same: kill unbelievers, force them to pay jizya or convert, sex with slaves…it’s all there in black and white, easy enough for an ignorant, 20-something infidel.
“I compared it to the Islamic Prophet Muhammad’s life in the Hadith. It was modeled in the way I perceived it from the translations, proving that the text is meant to be taken literally, unless Muhammad himself was not Muslim.
“It made me wonder if Muslims even know what’s in their religious texts, or are they simply lying to hide a sinister agenda.
“Then I began studying Sharia law, and the compulsive agenda to establish it in every nation on earth. Spreading through terror, politics, media, immigration, conversion, and birth, I found that it is not only possible, it’s happening in my country.
“I obtained a job on a news website, accrued viewers on my page, and here I am today. I’m no different than anyone else who is willing to learn the truth about Islam.”
To which someone else, one ‘Ashley’, a person from a similar age cohort, piped up as follows:
“All it takes is some reading.
”Your story is similar to mine.
“I was in high school on 9/11. Later on, I started really studying Islam.
“When Muslims come on here with their lies or Liberals come on here regurgitating those lies trying to stand up for Islam, I do my best to set the records straight.
”But those who don’t want the truth won’t listen to it.
Keep up the fight! You’re not alone, Sis!”
END
Word *is* spreading. And the generation who were kids of 12, 13, 14 years of age when those planes hit the towers, include *some* who are curious, persevering, intelligent, and independent-minded…and those folks *have* got the measure of the enemy, and they are doing the best they can to inform and warn their peers.
Angemon says
Yeah, I’ve been having a great time shoving this piece of news in the faces of all my friends who like to dismiss Americans (especially the military) as gun-tooting nuts with an itchy trigger finger. “Hey, look at what two marines did without arms – they prevented a muslim from going jihadi on a train full of innocent people”.
Jerry says
In view of the proven past conduct of HBO, the commander in mischief
I am surprised the US government is not demanding the extradition of
the marines to be punished for Islamophobia as a “hate crime”.
Remember what Billary Clinton managed to do to the Copt who
published a video that was uncomplimentary to the Plunderer for
Profit (P..s Be Upon Him).
TJFreedomjihad says
Many more details of importance here as well: https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/france-moroccan-ayoub-el-qahzzani-train-attacker-was-a-returned-islamist-from-syria-allowed-to-return/
France: Immigrant train-attacker Ayoub El Qahzzani was a returned Islamist from Syria, allowed to return
My knowledge of what I’ve heard so far is the likelihood is that around a hundred dead, were prevented, and a hundred more could have been wounded, had not a series of great things about these American heroes not been so, and come together. Or as the Pastor father said approximately, “God played a great roll in bringing things together for good”
America is paying back to France their coming to aid in our Revolution, against England, whom we have also been in the position to save their ass in the bargains likewise. We surely still have the principles of Christianity within our youth, surely in demonstration, and hopefully in belief as well. See here for applicable Holy Bible verses: Psalm 18:32-33 Psalm 144:1
On Fox, the father of one of our heroes, was raised in Shiloh Church and became Pastor, so one can trace some amazing realities coming out, as though this was written in a textbook. I say we have cause to both weep, and to rejoice greatly, with pride at the incredible Biblical examples of Patriotic behavior, of these young men, our American Christian men. One is taking criminal justice courses, with the desire to become a police officer, according to his father. Very topical commentary there, as well.
Remember too, Rabbi Lord Jesus, never said, according to many verses of the Testaments, one was not ever to defend physically oneself or especially one’s family, but the opposite many times one is to defend against enemies, with G-d on one’s side. He Himself overturned the sellers and money lenders tables and scattered them asunder, when he found them in the place reserved for worshipful considerations, the Temple, and found a whip, to boot to help chase away the blasphemers.
This will be big, as it should. The stuff of movies and legends.
TJFreedomjihad says
Oh, forgot to add, for historical and global perspective as an educational resource, regarding these eternal, criminal loser, hate filled, butchering, lust filled, satanic gang savages of the mohammadan psychotic pedophiles, (did I hit all the proper trigger, microagression anti-socialist, anti-Alinsky, anti-marxist, anti-progressive, etc., but totally accurate descriptive terms?), and the rest of too often sordid history, see these two resources:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=890_1367106116&comments=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Much to learn therein.
voegelinian says
” The stuff of movies and legends.”
Yes, I can see it now, a movie produced by George Clooney and Angeline Jolie, directed by Martin Scorsese, starring Ryan Gosling and Selena Gomez, with special co-stars F. Murray Abraham and Ben Kingsley as Islamic clerics assisting the authorities in helping find “radicalized extremists” who, it becomes clear between the lines through a long monologue delivered by Leonardo di Caprio (playing French President Francois Hollande), were “radicalized” by the “meddling” of Western business interests and general bigotry of the French people
.
Angemon says
I’d say the people who made “The Arroyo” might be able to provide an impartial, accurate representation of events, but do continue your asymptotic ejaculations of PC MC desire – if you don’t have anything PC MC to bawl and complain about what will you do? Stop criticizing people in the CJ movement? As if!
Myxlplik says
Anyone been watching what is happening is Macedonia…
TJFreedomjihad says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2g31Rxol-E See the bastard loser trussed like a chicken,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdjsqDwZS3A See the heroes in person explain what happened
Dramatic footage, you’ll want to do what I’m doing perhaps, which is hoisting a drink to these amazing, amazing people-heroes. Just unbelievable, just as was the heroism of the 9-11 people, and so many others, especially the plane that was forced nose down into Pennsylvania.
Thank G-d for all our heroes, veterans, serviceman, and civilians, so many, and Jesus………
I’m in awe……
FIAT JUSTITIA, RUAT CAELUM –“LET JUSTICE BE DONE, ‘THOUGH THE HEAVENS FALL’”
Jack Gordon says
What I like is to see these guys talk about this as if they had helped someone fix a flat tire on the highway. They’re all self-effacing types eager to talk about the heroism of the other guy, Spencer, who ran toward the Mohammedan not knowing (or seemingly even caring) whether the terrorist’s AK-47 was working or not! Now, THAT is heroism almost beyond belief. He was willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of others, most of whom he didn’t even know! Therefore he rises to the criterion of John 15:13 and surpasses it –“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.” We all wonder how we would react should duty suddenly call; Mr. Spencer needn’t bother even considering the question. His actions on that train prove him the moral superior of 99.9% of men on the planet. I’m proud just to be able to say he’s a fellow American.
Dhimmiwit says
Please, not another pervert perverting the peaceful religion of peace?
Dr. Divinity says
Actuality one of these heroic men is in the Air Force.
EYESOPEN says
Bravo Zulu gentlemen!
Jack Gordon says
Yet we’re still obliged to listen politely to the disingenuous bombast of people like Michael Bloomberg who assure us that disarming the American populace will herald the Second Coming. Spencer Stone was lucky that the Kalashnikov jammed when he rushed this faithful Mohammedan wanna-be murderer; if it hadn’t, he would have had more holes in him than are in Bloomberg’s arguments. We have to tell the gun grabbers here in the States to just shut up, and Europeans need to reclaim their right to bear arms to protect themselves. (Part of the problem in Europe is that they have allowed themselves to be made effeminate by their “betters”, all of whom depend for THEIR protection, naturally, on heavily armed bodyguards.)
Uncle Vladdi says
Notice how the press headlines them only as “American passengers” but fails to mention they are trained Marines, and now, heroes. Come to think of it, I’m surprised they bothered to mention they were Americans at all!
Mannie says
Uh, they were an Airman, a National Guardsman, and a college student. Also a Frog and a Brit.
Joanne Serio says
And they are heroes!
THFreedomjihad says
I think I was remiss in not publicly adding also, what we all right thinking individuals, appreciate at heart, and we thank G-d for the heroism and knowledge and dedication of Mr. Robert Spencer, here at Jihadwatch, a special heroic leader and his website, so hated by our collective enemy!!!!
I correct that now, add to that accolades and kudos, for Dave Horowitz, and Pam Geller, and many, many others, too many to call out, but all deserving heroes in this mortal war, of good against evil, for revealing the truth of our enemy, the hand maiden of satan, the devil’s disciples.
We had the opportunity in these three heroic acts, to witness in miniature, the example set by such as Sobiesky, and Martel, and so many others, in current and past history, both in well known leaders and in individuals against evil, know it.
TJFreedomjihad says
Last entry under THFreedomjihad should have been, TJFreedomjihad, sorry for the misspelling, slipped a key. Sentiments the same, of course.
victimized says
Really? US Marines? Why does the media assume that all military heros must be Marines? The Americans were an Airman, an Army National Guardsman, and a civilian.
gravenimage says
A very small point, but I just found our these brave young Americans are from my neck of the woods–they are roommates in Sacramento, California. Anthony Sadler is a student at Sacramento State University. One of my brothers graduated from there.
“Sac State salutes senior who helped foil terror attack”
http://www.csus.edu/news/articles/2015/8/22/Sac-State-salutes-senior-who-helped-foil-terror-attack.shtml
Sadler is from Pittsburg, California. My husband was there yesterday for a baseball game.
Kudos also to Damien A, the French banker, and to Mark Moogalian, who is a professor at the Sorbonne. Moogalian is also American, originally from Virginia. And he’s no kid–he’s 51.
Four Americans and a Frenchman–heroes all!
quotha raven says
to GravenImage – There was an Englishman, too, according to several reports that I think originated from AP. Yes, these are thrillingly courageous men. Cheers! Quotha R
TJFreedomjihad says
And a Bravo Zulu to France, for an unusual right proper act, with all proper speed, in having just awarded the highest French peacetime honor, the “Medal of Honor”, to the three prime heroes, Thank G-d!!! France still has some left, in the face of war being brought to them. Hopefully they will become fully engaged, against our common enemy, and all civilization’s enemy, the super nazi mafia that is mohammadanism, that more and more intelligent people globally are beginning to realize is only a supremely deceitful giant gang of the worst thugs in history.
All it takes to know this fact is reading of the texts, and looking at history, all 1400 years of it, current included, and the conclusion is fundamentally simple. The facts and patterns indicate 100% supremacist, imperialist, deceitful, brainwashing, butchering, criminal gang of a satanic madman, never, ever, a religion!!!
France took a great good step there. A really good and fast step. Bravo, again.
Many inside America deserve such honor, too, from America, but with an administration composed of the deceitful enemy inside the gates, sadly, we must await a new and better day to come. It will arrive, with G-d’s Spirit, it will arrive. SOON: http://patriotpost.us/posts/37131 Note that face, eyes, expression….