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General Secretary for Danish Refugee Help: “We face an Armageddon scenario”

Aug 30, 2015 12:35 pm By Nicolai Sennels

AndreasKamm

The General Secretary for Danish Refugee Help, Andreas Kamm, used to be a politically correct pro-multiculturalist. But he has had a change of mind, and is not even sure if we can save our societies. I am also not sure, but we have to fight as if we have a chance.

Translated from JP:

The number of refugees and migrants heading towards Europe is historically high. The political institutions that are in charge of handling refugee flows are collapsing. The solidarity within the EU and international conventions are under increasing pressure.

We are therefore heading towards a greater collapse, concludes Danish Refugee Council’s longstanding Secretary General Andreas Kamm. …

“We are risking that conflicts between refugees and migrants on the one side and local populations on the other goes awry and will escalate, and in my eyes, we face an Armageddon scenario.”

He estimates that the current pressure from streams of refugees constitutes a “permanent” challenge that will not go away, and recommends the development of new tools that can address and solve the problems.

But the answer is not that “Europe should import the world’s surplus populations,” Kamm said.

“We are not obliged to destroy our own society. We must stop before that if we possibly can,” he says.

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  1. Jovial Joe says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    I’m seriously thinking of emigrating to either Iceland or New Zealand. Although they have their muslim populations the logistics of getting there, for the illegal immigrants, makes the attempt futile. It will be countries like that that will constitute the last Western redoubts.

    • Anon says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      Those nations are run by the same multiculturists we have in Europe. You would be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

      Japan would be the place to emigrate to.

      • Jovial Joe says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 12:56 pm

        I figured that although that culture exists the pace of the Islamic invasion there is slower and that they will come to their senses when they witness the destruction of Europe and the States under a Clinton presidency.

      • Omi-san says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 4:51 pm

        And then we become the masses of immigrants seeking refuge in the eyes of an already overpopulated Japan.

        • Brian says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 6:12 pm

          Ireland is similarly being swamped. A few short years ago, the population was 3.4 million…now it is close to 5 million from mass immigration form Africa, Asia and the Middle…from no Muslims 10 years ago, to nearly 100,000 now and increasing daily..they get free everything including housing, medical, education. The homeless figures for native Irish are scandalous, but you will not see a foreign born homeless as teh government give them priority.

      • Brian says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        Interesting you mention Japan…A population of circa 130 million…the 2nd or 3rd biggest world economy and guess how many asylum seekers it allowed to stay in 2014? 11…yes ELEVEN in TOTAL for all of 2014!!!!!

        • Charles Martel says

          Sep 1, 2015 at 2:12 am

          Japan keeps Muslims as far away as possible, and nobody accuses them of being Islamophobes ….

          Good for them! They show to have brains and a solid knowledge of history.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 5:45 pm

        To Anon – who sez “Japan would be the place to emigrate to.”

        LOL, Silly! Japan wouldn’t let you in! Why do you think they have such a homogeneous population? They have and enforce strict immigration laws! Cheers! Quotha R

        • abad says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 7:24 pm

          Japan is the one nation European nations need to take lessons from in preserving their unique languages, heritage and culture. And Islam is banned in Japan. Thank God.

        • PJG says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 8:12 pm

          It is a myth that Islam is banned in Japan. Islam is growing in Japan, not fast, but it is growing. Foreign workers and tourists are bringing sharia/halal demands, and some Japanese women are marrying Muslims, bringing them home and even converting to Islam themselves. Japanese people are generally as naïve as any Western people.

      • Roy C says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 6:04 pm

        Hilarious really – Andreas kamm is just now waking up to the threat of Muslim immigration!? Mark Steyn along with Bruce Bauer among others warned about this a decade ago and were savagely attacked as – you guessed it – Islamophobes and hate mongers by European elites like Kamm. Lets also include the democratic party in this group of multiculturalists and most of our media and education system. As for Mr. Kamm warning of an Armageddon scenario as locals face off against their Muslin migrants lets go ahead and handicap this struggle. On the side of civilization you have a mostly weak willed population naturally inclined toward passivism who believe in nothing much worth mentioning beyond having a good time and despising those militaristic yahoos in America and Israel. Give full credit to the Islamists – they will die and more importantly kill to further their holy cause and are breeding like rabbits while European native populations are declining. So who do you like here?

    • nicu says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:00 pm

      I am thinking of leaving for many years already .

      But am retired very young for health reasons having a small pension – I cannot afford to leave – not even this muslim quarter …. so those who stay are those who are blind , rich – or poor so they MUST stay .

    • Rob says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:42 pm

      New Zealand you reckon?
      Read this:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9196570/Diversity-drives-learning-at-Te-Aro-School
      You don’t even need to do a Trojan Horse infiltration of the school board to get a cultural change.
      Note the first line: ‘Christmas and Easter are out’.
      One would have thought that a high priority for a school with a high migrant population would be to prepare its students to take their place as productive members of the host society. Nope. Not here!

      • Jovial Joe says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 3:19 pm

        I refer you to my previous comment about the pace of Islamic occupation in New Zealand. The population at present is less than 1% muslim. Also some of the locals, at least, seem aware of the threat: http://i.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/71468781/Burqa-clad-woman-accused-of-being-Isis-supporter-in-Palmerston-North-mall

      • particolor says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 5:40 am

        Goodbye Easter Bunny !:-( Goodbye Santa Clause ! 🙁 Hullo Hooved Horny Critter !! 🙂

    • Jovial Joe says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm

      On the front lines of the invasion of Europe, bands of burly muslim men throw away the food offered to them by the clueless locals: http://youtu.be/xbTSdUdQeLY

      • Arthur says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        Jovial Joe, thanks for the clip. Seems an analogy for the way all of Europe is behaving when the French woman watches Muslim immigrant men (strangely, they are all men) refuse free food because it is past the “best by” date. She responds in part, “I hate what I just saw, this can’t be.” And then, “I am upset they didn’t eat, but I understand.” She seems to have a complete inability to bridge the gap of her expectations of gratitude for receiving basic food with the reality of migrants’ disgust at not getting the best of everything for free. The Frenchwoman views them as needy, while the Muslim immigrants view themselves as deserving.

        Sadly, she doesn’t seem to understand anything at all.

        • Sekigahara says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 4:21 am

          The reason the invaders are predominately males is that once ensconced in Europe they can then send for their wife(s) and children through the family reunionification scam. You accept one, you get the whole village, wives, children, both sets of grandparents, cousins,aunts, uncles and so on ad nauseum … it does’n stop

        • Robby says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 4:53 am

          not deserving – entitled.

    • John Magne Trane says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 5:31 am

      Iceland? The jihadists who couldn’t build a huge mosque in my town of Tromsø, Norway, because of their Al Qaida contacts, went instead and got it built in Reykjavik, Iceland…

    • Laura Randelli says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 6:00 am

      I don’t think the Falklands has any muslims yet, St Helena island, which is British, has none and I’m sure there will be none on Pitcairn

    • Gufo says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 9:05 am

      Too late for Iceland. It used to be a favorite destination of mine, as well as their airlines used to be the first I would check… until they opened up their first mosque. The beginning of the end of another great culture, I’m afraid.

    • Shane says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 9:44 am

      True, I feel that Western Civilization is lost due to the collaboration of liberalim and Islamism. We should take in no more Muslim immigrants or refugees.

    • BommelBen says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 11:43 am

      I agree with Ann Barnhart*): Islam is a evil criminal ideology and it is about time Europe’s leaders stop being nice to muslims, but confront them with a clear choice:
      1. Stop being a halfhearted muslim but leave the Islam and become a loyal citizen or
      2. Loose your citizenship and leave the country to a muslim country of your choice within 5 years.
      All imams have to leave Europe immediately for propagating a subversive ideology or when they are so called moderates lying about that. It is clear that all muslim schools and mosques must be closed and all subsidies to muslims organizations stopped.

      *) See her site on YouTube: Muslim sexuality

  2. Thomas says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    There isn’t anywhere let to go to escape the Islamic movement. Western civilization is over. Say hello to your Muslim rulers.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      I don’t think Japan has any Moslems. I’ve been licking my lips and eyeing Nippon lately. There’s gotta be somewhere to go. How about Belize or Costa Rica, are those placed mozzed up yet?

      • TheBuffster says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

        Japan has Muslims.

        http://www.japanfocus.org/-kawakami-yasunori/2436/article.html

      • TheBuffster says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 1:56 pm

        There is no place to escape to if the major countries of the West submit.

        Those who give in to defeatism and conclude that the fight is lost – what are they doing? Just how loyal are they to the rights and freedoms they claim to treasure?

        Those who win against long odds – even longer than the ones we face today – don’t manage that feat by concluding all is lost, even though it clearly looks like all is lost. They keep seeking ways to find the chink in the enemy armor. They keep fighting right up until the end, and because of that they might win out.

        But defeatists don’t give themselves that chance.

        The people who are crying “defeat” already – you people don’t know what it takes to fight and win, and how bad it can get before a determined and intelligent resistance eventually wins out. You’re not doing your own values any good by feeding despair and the impulse to flee in those around you.

        When you do that, you’re working for the enemy, even if you don’t mean to.

        Please stop it.

        • Babs says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 4:30 pm

          Well said Buffster.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 9:47 pm

          Please stop it.

          Heroic speeches and admonition feel good, just like bemoaning that Islam has been hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists feels good. Fictive reality is based most of all upon feelings, what feels good.

          But the reality is that right now criticism or even admitting the obvious truth about Moslems is nearly a crime. If I published a letter in the local newspaper about Moslems I would be out of a job within a day. No presidential candidate will speak truthfully about Moslems, maybe none of them know the truth, but that doesn’t matter. Europe is under a tidal wave of Moslem illegals this month and none are being returned, to even broach that policy would ruin whoever brought it up. Moslems control the UN.

          The only opportunity to avert defeat is after the inevitable WMD attack happens. And I’m not talking about the holocaust over Israel, I’m talking about here. When that happens, and it will, all indications are that the ruling elites will accept defeat and accommodate the Moslems.

          Speaking the truth is not accepting defeat. Stating the obvious truth that it is verboten to speaking the truth about Moslems is not accepting defeat, it is only accurately reporting the probability of it.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 11:37 am

          “Stating the obvious truth that it is verboten to speaking the truth about Moslems is not accepting defeat, it is only accurately reporting the probability of it.”

          True. But this doesn’t mean that actually defeatist rhetoric 1) isn’t possible; 2) isn’t indulged in occasionally in the Counter-Jihad; and 3) isn’t counter-productive.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 1:35 pm

      Thomas, with the spread of defeatist thinking like that, it surely will be over. As for me, I think Western Civilization is worth putting up a fight to protect. I’ll meet them on the plains of Armageddon if necessary before I’ll welcome them to be my master. The terms of surrender will have to be written in blood. Damn “submission” to hell.

      • TheBuffster says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 1:58 pm

        Amen, Cogito!

      • Jack Diamond says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        Not only the right (as in moral) attitude but the only effective one. This enemy is cowardly when faced down.

        “Life for him was an adventure, perilous indeed, but men are not made for safe havens. The fullness of life is in the hazards of life. And, at the worst, there is that in us which can turn defeat into victory.” Edith Hamilton on Aeschylus. The playwright was a participant in the miraculous Greek victory at Marathon over the Persians.

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 10:50 pm

          If we are captured by jihadis and tied to a post
          and if we are certain that we will die
          Just before they cut our throats
          please remember to turn
          and spit them in the eye.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 11:40 am

          ” This enemy is cowardly when faced down. ”

          Know thine enemy. Muslims overcome their cowardice through a deranged fanaticism unique to human history on such a mass scale.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 12:24 pm

          They have courage in large groups and when they think they have the “upper hand.” There are remedies for both. At your throat or at your feet, applies to the Muslim too.
          Inshallah fatalism guiding both responses. They are the suicide killer, the ambusher, but deranged fanaticism does not prevent them from donning burqas and fleeing the battle, as ISIS fighters have done, as Arafat did. Disguised as women or hiding behind women as human shields. They aren’t quite the Japanese on Iwo Jima or Okinawa. Muslims tend to be cowardly bullies and the lessons of the schoolyard still apply. This isn’t to underestimate the fanaticism or the danger of being destroyed from it if we do nothing in self-defense, it is to give us courage to act in the knowledge we have subdued this enemy before.

    • Champ says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:27 pm

      Thomas has been sowing defeatism on other threads, too. Seems to be this guys m.o.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 8:41 pm

        Thomas’ plan for us is to:
        “Say hello to your Muslim rulers”
        He needs to leave that Islam Kool-Aid alone.

        I instead plan to say “goodbye” to the followers of Islam’s phony prophet buffoon AKA the Serpent of Satan Muhammad.

        Don’t worry Thomas,
        Tell Muslims that I meant that in a nice way.

    • Susan B says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:40 pm

      “The Lord steps in just when the devil thinks he is winning.”

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 6:47 pm

      Thomas
      Remember the old saying
      Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way

    • sinantara says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 1:19 am

      Once upon a time there lived a good King in Brittain, his name was Vortigern. The King was generous and gave asylum to two refugees named Hengist and Horsa. They said to the King, we only request a little bit of land, as much as can be covered by a steers hide… And we can help you with getting more votes, if you let us bring our family and followers, and their famillies and followers of their families…” Said the King’s advisor, Sire, there has to be a ctach somewhere! Let’s talk this over before you agree!” Said the King, you evil Saxophobe, my friends are such nice people, they will never do me any harm!”

      Once upon a time there was a Sasak noble named Banjar Getas who was voted out of office, so he went to Bali to drown his sadness in a bar in Karangasem were they had good arrackattack. The King of Karangasem happened to frequent the same bar and he was a nice fellow, so Banjar Getas poured out his heart to him. “But I can help you” said the Dewa Agung. “What if you just go home with my son and some of his followers and relatives and some followers of this relatives? They will help to overcome these stupid countrymen of you who just don’t see that it is you who should be king.” “But I can’t pay you!” said Banjar Getas. “Well” said the Dewa Agung. “Give them some land, my people are good farmers and they will be good for the economy of your kingdom to be”. “Oh, well, thank you!” said Banjar Getas… And it turned out that the Dewa Agung was right, the Lombok branch of the Kingdom of Karangasem did very well economically, the Balinese were good supervisors and administrators and the Sasak hardy slaves. It is just that history has lost track of Banjar Getas, so we are still asking, did or din’t he became king?

      Once upon a time there lived a powerful khalif ruling the land of the Abbasyah. Now the rule of the Abbasids was the Golden Age of Islam, but the fuqaha deemed the khalif un Islamic, for example, he supported the Muta’zilla whose heresy went as far as deeming reason on par with relevation. So the people became angry and didn’t vote for the khalif, who even had to move to Samarra from Baghdad. Now the khalif happned to have a Turkish slave who said to the khalif, O Master, let me help you. I happen to know some folks at home who are real though and if you let them come over and provide some housing they will say ‘boo!’ to these ungrateful countrymen of you, they even can tell them to vote for you! You know, they are homeless because these Turkophobic Mongols appropriated their grazing grounds, we need refugee status.” “Good idea” said the khalif, go and invite them.” It turned out to be a wise choice. Even when the Turks took over the khalifate from the Arabs, they let the khalif stay in his palace, and built him a new one in Cairo after Mongol migrants also came to Baghdad and ‘ruined the neighborhood’ according to some sources. The Mameluks we re so helpful that the khalif only needed to sign letters, he even didn’t need to write and read them. The Ottoman migrants became politically active and took over even these minimal tasks so that the khalif could retreat and become an ordinary citizen.. The Arabs themselves took a break from history, and only came back into the news when they are discovered by the British who send a movie star named Lawrence into Arabia to make a movie about a shayk named Valentino… Correct me if I have my history wrong…

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Sep 6, 2015 at 6:53 am

      Defeatist. Pessimist. Tokyo Rose.

      Why so eager to throw in the towel?

      Are you in Europe?

      If so, are you in a country that has an Army Reserve or Home Guard? Are you able-bodied and of suitable age? If so…do what Niccolai Sennels – who woke up to Islam a while ago – did. He joined the Danish Home Guard. There he is learning useful skills and, I would guess, legal ownership and operation of a weapon or weapons. And I am sure that, very discreetly, he is sharing his knowledge, to wake up *more* Danes to the problem.

      If you are too old to do that, then encourage anyone else you know who is of the right age, and fit, to do it.

      Join and support an Islamosavvy political party – e.g. Wilders’ party in the Netherlands if you’re Dutch, Danish People’s Party if you’re a Dane. Look about. Find people you like and can work with who *are* trying to put up a resistance, and JOIN THEM. Donate to your preferred party and/ or lobby group.

      Write letters to politicians and to non-Muslim religious leaders and do not give up (for clues as how to do this in ways that may get ’round’ people’s programming, visit ‘Citizen Warrior’ and read “Getting Through”). The Muslims *want* you to give up without a fight. Well, don’t.

      Find groups that are holding rallies on behalf of Jews and Israel, or on behalf of persecuted non-Muslim minorities (e.g. the Syrian Christians) and JOIN them. Turn up for rallies.

      Don’t. give. up. Don’t. give. in.

      If you identify as a Christian..then light a candle to St Jude, and read and re-read the Psalms and the Gospels, to clear your mind and refocus you on the longterm victory of the Light; and get involved in a local church and try to spread awareness *there*.

      I am so tired of reading commenters, here at Jihadwatch, whose sole contribution is to cry “All is lost! Despair! The Muslims have won!” and never once offer any positive suggestions about Things to Do. Because I personally don’t think that all *is* lost. Not unless everyone allows themselves to be paralysed, like rabbits caught in a spotlight.

      PS Write a letter to Victor Orban, the eminently commonsensical leader in Hungary. This, among much else, is what he recently said:

      “Only when we have protected our borders can we ask questions such as how many people we want to receive, or if there should be quotas.

      “Let us not forget, however, that those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims. This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity….”.

      And he has also said, of Hungary’s reluctance to admit large numbers of Muslims:
      “We don’t want to criticize France, Belgium, any other country,” he said, but “we think all countries have a right to decide whether they want to have a large number of Muslims in their countries. If they want to live together with them, they can. We don’t want to and I think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country. We do not like the consequences of having a large number of Muslim communities that we see in other countries, and I do not see any reason for anyone else to force us to create ways of living together in Hungary that we do not want to see.”

      Write to him and thank him for telling the truth. Tell him to hold firm, dig in his toes, refuse to retract a word of it. Write to the Hungarian ambassador in your country and express your support for Mr Orban. Quote those statements and say – “100 percent agree”. Add the simple observable fact – that where there are Muslims, there sooner or later is Jihad. Got Muslims? Got Jihad. The fewer Muslims inside the gates, the fewer Jihad plots.

      *Then* write to your *own* Head of State, and quote PM Orban of Hungary, and state loud and clear that you think PM Orban is *right*, and should be supported.

      Any and all Europeans, right now, should be getting behind PM Orban and *pushing*.

  3. jihad3tracker says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    Yes, a “permanent” change that will not go away.

    If readers here want some truly alarming facts about how Eurafrica and Eurabia are the future of You-Know-Where, search keywords relating to refugee immigration in relevant European countries.

    An example: last week I encountered an article saying that in 2015 alone, Germany is taking in around 800,000 non-assimilable permanently underclassed humans.

    Metaphorically — or almost literally — sinking under the weight of those bodies.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      Muslims have already pooped on the canaries in the EU coal mine.
      Whenever Islam arrives the stench is life threating.

  4. Sam Hawkins says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:19 pm

    But he has had a change of mind, and is not even sure if we can save our societies. I am also not sure, but we have to fight as if we have a chance.

    Hello Dr. Sennels,

    I’ve always enjoyed your articles on Jihad Watch. I share the sentiment, but like some of the commenters before me, am doubtful that we can preserve our societies. The body of international and national laws has turned into a suicide pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

    It does not appear that the flood of Muslims into Europe can be stopped. If it were only a matter of the elites being out of sync with the populace, then a correction could take place via the ballot box or even (not an appealing thought) in a violent uprising.

    But I don’t see a majority of Europeans mustering a strong response. Their top priorities are (1) jobs; and increasingly (2) social benefits. The governments are going all out to prop up employment figures and maintain nominal benefit levels. Eventually their efforts will fail, as they must. But by then, so many more millions of Muslims will be in Europe that the snowball rolling downhill will have turned into an avalanche. It will have become unstoppable.

    One can continue the fight but at the same time begin thinking about fall-back positions and orderly retreat. Emigration has been mentioned (to Iceland, New Zealand, Japan). If you can get an immigrant visa to NZ then hurry up, do it now. For many of us (age, qualifications, family ties) that won’t be an option. Iceland is too small and Japan won’t ever allow us in.

    What are the options for us who are staying in Europe? Should we start thinking about “safe cities”, Muslim-free enclaves… or partition of countries? Do we need to rethink our individualistic, standoffish ways in order to counter the pack mentality of the Muslims? Can there be more than one organizing principle for us as we set up nuclei of freedom, or is religion the only one?

    • Gerald says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      To get a somber picture of what awaits the European people, study what happened to the Christian nations of the Middle East. Yes there were Christian nations like Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Algiers and Tunisia. Ask yourself where are these Christians. They were killed, forcibly converted to Islam or made into dhimmis who had to pay a degrading poll tax which kept them in a state of semi-slavery. You can see living examples of this happening right now in countries like Egypt of the Coptic Christians, Pakistan’s treatment of Christians, Hindus and Buddhists and of ISIS treatment of Christians in Syria and Iraq.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 8:32 pm

        The irony is that Islam as an ideology is so weak that it falls apart easily without a steady supply of enemies.

        That is when Muslims do what they do best — turn on one another.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 31, 2015 at 11:53 am

      The body of international and national laws has turned into a suicide pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact

      The problem is not the Constitution, nor any Western laws. All of them provide amply and unremarkably for self-defense from mortal, existential dangers. The problem is when the cultures which pertain to those laws has undergone a paradigm shift of worldview.

      Consider the case of the Internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2. That reasonable, albeit extra-ordinary, policy was enacted with the support of 1) the President, 2) Congress, 3) the American people, and 4) the Supreme Court – which ruled it Constitutional (and no Supreme Court since then has ever ruled it un-Constitutional). What has changed in the subsequent decades is that PC MC has become dominant and mainstream throughout our culture – as a kind of cultural Fifth Estate, a Court of Public Opinion Higher than the Supreme Court, which has ruled Internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2 a “shameful chapter” of our nation’s history, powerfully inculcating the Hillary Clinton Principle of “shaming” people into conformity with a new Orwellian moral principle.

      So my case by way of example highlights, negatively, how the measures we need to take to protect our societies from any danger are entirely within the realm of our laws. All we have to do is fully educate ourselves as to the actual nature and dimensions of this danger, rather than the inaccurate nature and dimensions indulged by our PC MC culture at large – and, by the Softies among us in the Counter-Jihad; nature and dimensions of the danger by an odd coincidence just barely not dire enough to warrant total deportation of Muslims. How conVEENient (as the Church Lady would have said…).

      • Angemon says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 12:44 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Consider the case of the Internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2. That reasonable, albeit extra-ordinary, policy”

        Really? That’s your measuring stick for “reasonable” policy? A policy that has been deemed a mistake not to be repeated and for which the American government has apologized and paid restoration?

        Let me point out what the internment of Japanese-Americans wasn’t: it wasn’t the imprisonment of ALL Japanese-Americans or Japanese people living in the US because they were all “reasonably” considered traitors on the basis of their ethnicity, as the thousands of them who served in the US military can attest to. What it was was the internment of SOME of the Japanese-American and Japanese living in the US, with the overwhelming majority of them having no reason to ever be considered a threat.

        “was enacted with the support of 1) the President, 2) Congress, 3) the American people, and 4) the Supreme Court – which ruled it Constitutional (and no Supreme Court since then has ever ruled it un-Constitutional). What has changed in the subsequent decades is that PC MC has become dominant and mainstream throughout our culture – as a kind of cultural Fifth Estate, a Court of Public Opinion Higher than the Supreme Court, which has ruled Internment of Japanese-Americans during WW2 a “shameful chapter” of our nation’s history, powerfully inculcating the Hillary Clinton Principle of “shaming” people into conformity with a new Orwellian moral principle.”

        While I consider the explanation of detaining to be the most plausible one (US intelligence broke the Japanese codes, knew of several spies and needed to neutralize them in a way that wouldn’t tip the Japanese off so they simply arrested many people and made it seem like the spies were just caught in between rather than being their intended targets), you’re trying to argue that there’s no reason to apologize to those unfairly arrested and that somehow Americans should be proud of it.

        “So my case by way of example highlights, negatively, how the measures we need to take to protect our societies from any danger are entirely within the realm of our laws.”

        Which begs the question: why haven’t you ever explained how would you frame your “total deportation” idea under the current laws? It makes as much sense as believing that you can strap on a couple of banana leaves and fly by flapping your arms without caring for the physics behind flight.

        “and, by the Softies among us in the Counter-Jihad; nature and dimensions of the danger by an odd coincidence just barely not dire enough to warrant total deportation of Muslims.”

        This is just the type of gross misrepresentations you’re infamous for. Can you point to any of those you call”softies” saying that they don’t support your “total deportation” nonsense because they don’t consider muslims in the West to be a dire threat? Of course you can’t. What I, as one of those you call “softies” have pointed out is that your “solution” is seditious and anti-constitutional. And I’ve seen others doing the same. Not even once I’ve seen someone saying something along the lines of “no, no, I’m against deporting all muslims because I don’t think it they’re dangerous enough to warrant that”. Of course, you were never one to let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Well, of a narrative.

        Once again, where do you suggest “deporting” an American native convert to islam to? And under which laws? Remember, you just said that “the measures we need to take to protect our societies from any danger are entirely within the realm of our laws“.

        Of course, I don’t expect an actual answer from you – just another serving of your usual word salad nonsense and ad-hominems about of how much of a “softy” I am, or insinuations about my mental condition, or bawling about no one “defending you”.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 12:46 pm

          Where it reads:

          “While I consider the explanation of detaining to be the most”

          It should read:

          “While I consider the explanation of detaining possible spiesto be the most

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 5:43 pm

          One of these days at least one Jihad Watcher will take one — just one would be welcome — of Angemon’s thousand replies to my comments he has obsessively deposited nearly every time I post anything against the Counter-Jihad Softies, and address its rabbit-hole-riddled sophistry which he deploys in defense of being soft on Muslims. I tried, many moons ago, many times — but got fed up with their rabbit-trails of misunderstandings, miccharacterizations, red herrings, goalpost-moving, straw men — not to mention the many fragrant rabbit pellets along the way…

        • Angemon says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 6:21 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “One of these days at least one Jihad Watcher will take one — just one would be welcome — of Angemon’s thousand replies to my comments”

          You mean, other than the several who did, and who said what amounted to “Angemon makes some good points, voeg. What are your thoughts on those points?” ?

          But I have a theory that explains why you’re so hung on other people telling me (or anyone else who questions you) to STFU for the sake of no one being allowed to question what you say. My theory is that you’re a very poor thinker – you can parrot stuff you’ve seen elsewhere but you struggle with critical thinking, so you prefer to have your own version of the brownshirts to deal with it.

          “he has obsessively deposited”

          Ah, here it is – the jab at my mental state. Like I implied before, insinuations on one’s mental condition are one of the things passes as a response in your eyes. The truth is, I reply to many people in many topics. If you want to talk about anyone obsessing over someone else, you might want to explain the dozens, if not hundreds, of your posts where you call me out of the blue – i.e. before I “obsessively” “deposit” a reply to one of your comments. And you certainly never, ever – not even once – conjured me to accurately describe me or my stance. Like, for example, here:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/raymond-ibrahim-why-muslim-rapists-prefer-blondes-a-history/comment-page-1#comment-1275024

          Heck, you even tried to imitate me at one point:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/salman-rushdie-world-learned-wrong-lessons-from-his-iran-fatwa/comment-page-1#comment-1271629

          (or at least you called it an impression, as far as I can tell it’s just instance where you try to ascribe me falsehoods)

          “nearly every time I post anything against the Counter-Jihad Softies,”

          Basically, I’m a bad person because I point out that you don’t prove what you say and need to lie to have a case – again, can you point to any of those you call”softies” saying that they don’t support your “total deportation” nonsense because they don’t consider muslims in the West to be a dire threat?

          “and address its rabbit-hole-riddled sophistry”

          Calling something “sophistry” doesn’t make it sophistry anymore than calling islam “religion of peace” makes it a religion of peace. Of course, you were never one to explain wht what I say is sophistry – it is because you say so. Maybe you had some sort of “divine” “revelation” while praying in cave somewhere?

          “which he deploys in defense of being soft on Muslims.”

          Again, a lie – can you link to any post of mine where I advocate being soft on muslims? Of course you can’t. In any case, we’re discussing your inability to prove the things you say about those you call “softies”, not an alleged stance which you – surprise, surprise – are unable to prove.

          “I tried, many moons ago, many times — but got fed up with their rabbit-trails of misunderstandings, miccharacterizations, red herrings, goalpost-moving, straw men — not to mention the many fragrant rabbit pellets along the way…”

          Was that the time you said I was either a troll or had brain damage for questioning you, or the time you compared reading my posts to swinging in sewage water? It certainly wasn’t the time where you had a honest, open discussion about what I actually said, on the account that that never happened – you simply create strawmen of what I say and “defeat” them.

          So voeg, I explained why the internment camps of Japanese were not a “reasonable” policy, and the why its aftermath (the US government apologized for it and paid restoration) while you never said why you consider it a “reasonable” policy or why it’s wrong to apologize to people who were clearly wronged. Your turn – it’s up to you to flesh out your bare-boned semblances of ideas and explain, in a clear, concise fashion why anything I say is “sophistry”.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 5:44 pm

          miccharacerizations = “mischaracterizations”

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 11:56 pm

        The problem is not the Constitution, nor any Western laws. All of them provide amply and unremarkably for self-defense from mortal, existential dangers. The problem is when the cultures which pertain to those laws has undergone a paradigm shift of worldview.

        That, at a minimum, is debatable. I quoted the famous saying by a Supreme Court Justice “the constitution is not a suicide pact” precisely to underline that sometimes, it is the law (not the culture) that is the problem, by leading to outcomes never foreseen or intended by its drafters.

        Today, for example, laws prevent us from repatriating most of the illegal migrants. Hardly any of them qualify for asylum. But the Geneva conventions obligate signatory states to accept non-asylum refugees from war. At the time, no one imagined that millions from halfway around the world would seek entry into Europe under Geneva. We cannot deport them, it would be against international law, which trumps even national law.

        We cannot deport even those who neither qualify under asylum or Geneva. They throw away their identity papers and even if their national origin can be ascertained, the origin countries refuse to take them back. Again, laws prevent us from dumping them there.

        Our laws, well-intentioned at the time they were written, compel us into a suicidal course today. Some laws could be changed by simple majority of national parliaments. But others would require a constitutional convention or a lengthy round of international negotiations.

        Your idea of “deporting the Muslims” is trash. By the time there finally is a majority in the population for your proposal, it will be so bad — SO AWFULLY BAD — that it will be too late. There will be too many enemies of freedom at the levers of power for elections to make a difference anymore. But even if the people finally rise up, it will mean all-out civil war, with millions dead.

        I am currently reading a book that I picked up from a share box, “The Memoirs of A Survivor”, by Doris Lessing. The breakdown of social order that she describes — bands of feral “youth” roving the street, municipal services breaking down, the ruling class pretending everything is just swell, theft, arson, burglaries, murder, private security, criminal clans — is exactly what is coming to Europe. The actual tipping point is still a ways into the future, but the trajectory that will take us to the tipping point and beyond is already set, and there is no realistic scenario for stopping and reversing it.

        We stand at the dawn of a new Dark Age, in Europe anyway. Time to start thinking about an “underground resistance” scenario. Loners and introverts will find it tough. Those with friends they can count on stand a better chance. I expect the internet to be regulated soon, with real names required for posting on comment boards. I also expect the strongest resistance to Islamization to come from Nazis. But joining up with them is not an option for me.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 3, 2015 at 11:19 pm

          And when that civil war finally arrives I hope people can round up as many traitors of today and hang them from nearest poles. By traitors I mean the media, politicians, NGOs who work tirelessly for Muslims, stupid actors and pop stars who mouth off without knowing the dangers of Islam.
          Anyone who openly supports Islam and pretends that we are safe from it should pay the ultimate price becasue it’s our kids and grandkids who will pay the same price. They will hate us for leaving this horror for them to live through or worse die.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 4, 2015 at 10:18 am

          “That, at a minimum, is debatable. I quoted the famous saying by a Supreme Court Justice “the constitution is not a suicide pact” precisely to underline that sometimes, it is the law (not the culture) that is the problem, by leading to outcomes never foreseen or intended by its drafters.”

          If that’s the proper inference, the quote logically should have been “The Constitution is sometimes a suicide pact” (and therefore we need to alter it, etc.). If the Constitution is not a suicide pact, that means logically that if followed, it will not lead to suicide; so the fault lies in the improper interpretation of it, not it. (I am sorely tempted to type “duh” here, but shall mightily restrain myself…)

        • Angemon says

          Sep 4, 2015 at 11:40 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “If that’s the proper inference, the quote logically should have been “The Constitution is sometimes a suicide pact” (and therefore we need to alter it, etc.). If the Constitution is not a suicide pact, that means logically that if followed, it will not lead to suicide; so the fault lies in the improper interpretation of it, not it. (I am sorely tempted to type “duh” here, but shall mightily restrain myself…)”

          Allow me to offer a different interpretation of Sam Hawkin’s words:

          I quoted the famous saying by a Supreme Court Justice “the constitution is not a suicide pact” precisely to underline that sometimes, it is the law (not the culture) that is the problem, by leading to outcomes never foreseen or intended by its drafters.

          Sometimes (i.e. referring to when things go belly up, not, as when you implied, referring to some of the times when things go belly up), the problem is with the law, not the culture, because it lead to an outcome not foreseen or intended.

      • Western Canadian says

        Sep 2, 2015 at 3:26 pm

        The internment of Japanese extraction Americans was a disgusting crime committed against loyal Americans…. Those who pushed for this crime in Canada and the US were not motivated by the defense of democracies against a rather nasty foe, but were looking to steal the property of hard working and successful fellow citizens, under the false suggestion of patriotism. They were war criminals, who sought to victimize their own citizens.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 4, 2015 at 10:22 am

          I suspect that perhaps a slim majority of folks in the Counter-Jihad would be afflicted with the retention of the PC MC neurosis as so emblematically expressed in the words of Western Canadian. Is it any wonder that PC MC is so dominant and mainstream all around us; when one can see its residues even inside the Counter-Jihad…?.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 4, 2015 at 11:54 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “I suspect that perhaps a slim majority of folks in the Counter-Jihad would be afflicted with the retention of the PC MC neurosis as so emblematically expressed in the words of Western Canadian. Is it any wonder that PC MC is so dominant and mainstream all around us; when one can see its residues even inside the Counter-Jihad…?.”

          I’m going to let you in on something I never expected having to say on this level. What you wrote, voeg, is not an argument. You are not countering WC’s reasoning. Heck, you’re not even addressing it. You’re just trying to dismiss him by tarring him as being “PC MC” and therefore unworthy of attention. Thinking people are not going to go “yes, yes, voeg, you’re absolutely right”, they’re going to go “voeg, you’re not addressing his points, why should we take you seriously?”. I submit to you, my logically challenged, deluded friend, that that is the answer to your often repeated question: “why is it that other people never take my side?”. Perhaps you should take a step back and do a little soul searching – seeing what you say, how people react, remembering what the Counter-Jihad movement is all about and – and this is an important point – that the CJ movement is bigger than your ego and will carry on, despite your attempts to undermine its forefront figures.

          What you did to WC is no different, in nature, than what people like Ibrahim Hooper do when they claim that people like Robert Spencer or Hirsi Ali are “bigots” or “islamophobes” for pointing out what islam says regarding non-muslims.

  5. Charli Main says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm

    The Muslim detritus from North Africa and the Middle East will continue to swarm into Europe because they are getting what they want—to live in Europe and get housed, fed and clothed by the European taxpayer.
    No only are these muslim vermin getting to obey the orders given to them in the Koran, to immigrate and take Islam and Sharia with them, they are actually being collected and brought into Europe by assorted European navies.
    Its so unreal, couldn´t make it up !!!!

  6. Jack Diamond says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    Which “refugees” are those and what is their belief-system? And why would that create a “conflict” that could destroy a society? Just because of the sheer number of them? Or is it something about the nature of them? The reluctance to even utter the words: Islam or Muslim, is the problem.

    “We are not obliged to destroy our own society. We must stop before that if we possibly can,” he says.

    But who is “we”, that is the question. It’s not any of the institutions of Eurabia who have made such wonders possible. It’s not Jacques Chirac who reminded everyone in 2003 “Europe’s roots are as much Muslim as Christian.” It’s not the “we” persecuting critics of Islamic invasion and its miserable, dangerous consequences for “Islamophobia”. It’s not the “we” standing with “Palestinians” and against Israel (the Euro-Arab alliance against Israel was the beginning of Eurabia, the “cooling” with America, and agreements between the European Commission and Sec. General of the Arab League established the policy for mass Muslim immigration). It’s not the “we” of multiculturalism or the “we” of shari’a finance or of shari’a courts or the “we” that permits predators to roam freely to terrorize “infidels” or their societies to be Islamized by colonizing parasites who are not compelled to assimilate and not even forced to leave when calling for sedition and war. The question is how many of “we”, defenders of what we used to know as Western Civilization, there are to actually defend it, oppose their “elites” and the ideology behind them, and oppose and defeat this third Islamic invasion and attempt to finally conquer (and neuter and dhimmify) Europe. And at what cost.

    Who are “we” then?

  7. pdxnag says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    All Sharia Insistent Compliant Muslims pose a mortal threat to free people. Boot them all out. In time folks who can still reason will come to the same conclusion.

  8. John Luvaro says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    Relying on government for action is futile. What’s needed is “independent action” of citizens.
    A 21st Century version of Krystalnacht,t1938, but on a repeated, frequent, massive & deadly scale.

  9. Westman says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    Islam is a parasitic ideology that has run out of hosts. With the exception of the oil-rich it is essentially reproducing itself to instability and ruin. Even Daesh is cannibalizing Muslims to survive. Now it has reached proportions where the West will be extorted to either sustain it where it lives or be overrun as it comes to dinner. It’s rich friends have abandoned the subsidization. There is only one other option.

    Islam has nothing equivalent to the WASP work ethic, it is a slave culture working for the slave master, Allah. It has no future.

  10. Rezali Mehil says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 2:26 pm

    Salaam,

    Andreas Kamm sort of has a grasp but he is talking about the past …as if there is still some sort of backtracking in time…there isn’t…Islam has “no brake” so to speak …this is the noor for humanity.

    Let me please humbly provide glimpse into the future …what new industries will easily spring up, and how the modern world of technology can be use for education.

    1) The publishing industry will begin to do well, we will need the finest publishing houses using the finest paper and materials for printing millions of Korans.
    2) The gold industry will do well, as gold leaf will be required to decorate these Korans.
    3) The Cloth industry will do well sewing custom cloth wallets to hold these Korans.
    4) The Wood manufacturing industry will do will …one will be required for every household.
    5) Not forgetting technology …to have installed a remote camera in each household to be used to monitor that the Koran is well looked after “and” used. The imams too need to get into the technology game so they can provide the distance learning that will be *so* required to learn the discipline that children need to do the correct pronunciation of the verses. For too long , too few people have learned Arabic …this will change, ultimately Arabic will become the most widely used language in the world.

    The children will be expected to be up for Fajr, Male /pants should be above the ankles, InshaAllah diagrams over the internet will be made possible. The Imam can remotely check learning progress, and soon the discipline required to please Allah SWT will gain fruition.

    Women’s garment should be a forearms lower than her skins (measure your arm length , from elbow to longest finger, and her feet will be completely covered.

    Folks, you can see that a lot of work needs to be done in a short time… all the entrepreneurs out there…wakey wakey…you need need to get cracking.

    And…please you don’t need to thank me …I need to maintain my humbleness.

    More Later …

    Rezali

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:45 pm

      Some day you will be humbled, Rezali. You will cry for help and a hand will reach down to pull you out from the lonely void that surrounds you …….. and the face you will see will be of the one you once mocked in your arrogance and pride. It would be better for you if you sought to recognize that face now.

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 4:03 pm

        I thought it was hilarious 😀

        Nothing wrong with a little levity!

        • CogitoErgoSum says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 1:37 pm

          In the past Rezali did make me laugh. But her kind of funny is the kind of funny that I feel when I accidentally come across something by Robin Williams. I still see him as being a very hilarious person but at the same time he’s now become quite sad to me.

    • Westman says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 2:58 pm

      Rezali,

      You are a joke, likely fictitious, with a real joker standing behind you.

      I don’ t know what the goodwill stores will do with all those unwanted Qurans. If they were just printed on one side they could make sketch paper. What did people do with old copies of Mein Kamph?

      • Charli Main says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 3:20 pm

        As long as Korans are being printed, there will be no shortage of toilet paper.

      • mortimer says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 3:20 pm

        Rezali left out all the genocides, defenestrations, executions, crucifixions, hand and head choppings and wife-beatings he loves and finds so exciting.

      • Greyhound Fancier says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 10:30 pm

        Old copies of Mein Kampf can be sent to the Mohammedan world – like food and clothing is sent to impoverished people. After all, Mein Kampf is a popular title amongst Mohammedans. They’d appreciate the thoughtfulness.

    • vickie says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 4:03 pm

      ROFL!! This is one of your best.. I have never laughed so hard!! Thank you you jokester you!!

      “1) The publishing industry will begin to do well, we will need the finest publishing houses using the finest paper and materials for printing millions of Korans.
      2) The gold industry will do well, as gold leaf will be required to decorate these Korans.
      3) The Cloth industry will do well sewing custom cloth wallets to hold these Korans.
      4) The Wood manufacturing industry will do will …one will be required for every household.
      5) Not forgetting technology …to have installed a remote camera in each household to be used to monitor that the Koran is well looked after “and” used.”

      Why aren’t you taking this to the stage?

    • Babs says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 4:28 pm

      See my post below.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 4:32 pm

      You are omitting one very important fact — long sentences coming:

      Muslims who were not already trained in public administration and educated with Western technology, for whom ISLAM IS JUST A LABEL, NOT A SINCERE COMPLETE BELIEF, have not in the last several hundred years or thereabouts, been able to establish any sort of effective system to maintain a stable “nation”.

      The stinking collection of ghettos which the cities of Europe are going to become in a couple of decades will make, by comparison, Medieval conditions seem like a Disneyworld vacation. Because vaccinations are obviously, in the minds of great Mullahs and assorted underlings, a tool to do harm to Allah”s Army, diseases and plagues will return.

      On top of that, after twenty more years of Muslim inbreeding + monetary/banking collapse + lack of education + chronic wife abuse + parent-child rape + dilapidated housing + aging infrastructure + sewers overflowing + supply chain failures + broken cars + agricultural incompetence + urban thugs + imported weapons ——- YOU AND YOUR PALS ARE WELCOME TO THE “VICTORY”.

      • Rezali Mehil says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm

        Salaam 3tracker…

        What…. given up already? …but it does not have to be like the picture you paint?

        Why not just accept the faith of the muslim…the world can be at peace quite quickly.

        The world of the kuffar is the most developed and scientifically advanced ever….Allah SWT for good reason has allowed it to be so.

        He SWT wants to demonstrate that even with everything at the disposal of the Kuffar …Islam is still dominant…the end game of the kuffar was not good enough…and society was required to be rebuilt on Allah SWT given laws…the 1st and 2nd amendments drawn up by kuffar will be annals of history…but only because you chose to ignore the noor of Allah SWT.

        Please …I am sorry …I need to remain humble …so

        more later …

        Rezali

        • Westman says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 5:59 pm

          From what I’ve observed, the nookie of Allah is more on the minds of jihadists than the noor.

          “Why not just accept the faith of the muslim…the world can be at peace quite quickly.” Do you have a TV there Razzle-dazzel? Turn it on and you’ll see that those peace-loving Muslims are quite content to be killing each other. And the Sunni-Shia’a tension – that’s your version of peace? Registering of Shia’a pilgrims is now required at Mecca – how long before they are simply barred?

          “The world of the kuffar is the most developed and scientifically advanced ever….Allah SWT for good reason has allowed it to be so.” — Sure ’nuff. Allah, like any profiteering slave master cares so little that he let his, “best of people”, wallow in primitive conditions for 1000 years. If it weren’t for the kuffar, you’d be writing your little screed in Arabic and sending it off in a bottle.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 9:11 pm

          Troll level: GRANDMASTER 😉

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 10:24 pm

          “Why not just accept the faith of the muslim …” asks Rezali

          Rezali conveniently ignores that Islam’s Koran has more contradictions than the night sky has stars.

          Satanic verse whisperer Muhammad himself admitted that there were at least seven Korans according to hadith that said different things. After Muhammad’s death you could fill a whole bookstore with competing versions until Muslims gathered for a fire sale to burn the most embarrassing of versions. In contrast, Christianity has one Bible with various translations of the original texts.

        • Baucent says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 1:50 am

          Do us all a favour Rezi, take your next vacation in Raqqa, Syria or Mosul, I hear it’s lovely there at this time of year. I’m sure your co-religionists will have a special welcome for you. More later…

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 2, 2015 at 3:32 pm

          No one here giving up…. that is what you devout and hate filled sub-animals are going to do…. But not soon enough to save your worthless lives.

      • Greyhound Fancier says

        Aug 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm

        All of Europe would be like Gaza. It only took the savages about six weeks to turn an area of vacation resorts into a total mess, with electricity and plumbing totally islamo-engineered (i.e. nonfunctioning).

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 2, 2015 at 3:36 pm

      We should all be very thankful to whoever or whatever is posting under the name of rezali… By being here and demonstrating just how sick and twisted devout muslims are, this fool and fraud is doing more to educate the west on just how vile and twisted islam (RTC) really is.

  11. Jack Diamond says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    Such thinking might guarantee the growth of one booming new industry, Janazah. Islamic funeral rites.

  12. mortimer says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    Kamm uttered some wisdom: ““We are not obliged to destroy our own society. We must stop before that if we possibly can.”

    A reasonable option is to pay third countries to keep the refugees until their home countries are stabilized.

  13. Babs says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    Along the lines of behaving “as if” we could solve this problem:

    Somewhat tongue in cheek perhaps, but here goes:

    The West has mastered space travel.

    Every slave of his prophet who tries to undermine his host society in any way (I don’t count their women because their menfolk don’t), from spreading the da’wah to inciting jihad and honour killing his womenfolk should be put, along with all his family, aboard a space ship and shot into orbit around the earth, among the detritus from burned out rockets, satellites etc.

    Of course it may seem expensive but not as expensive as cleaning up the mess they would make of their host countries.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 5:08 pm

      Not all that tongue in cheek given NASA has a new mission, improve relations with the Muslim world. What a great opportunity to involve them in actual space travel. I’d suggest a destination, however.
      Like Pluto.

  14. Georg says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    Maddness.

  15. abad says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    “Danish Refugee Council”

    Um…

    Danish refugees?!?!

    Do they have ANY idea how that sounds?!

    Good God.

    Forget about the damn Muslims trying to enter Denmark because Denmark DOES NOT NEED THEM.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 10:28 pm

      “( Danish refugees?!?! )”

      Maybe they are referring to Danish who are wishing to escape from the Muslim invasion.

  16. Matthieu Baudin says

    Aug 30, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    He ought to go further and say specifically what a new approach should entail. He looks to still be waddling around looking for ‘others’ to come up with new ideas, yet few people have his wealth of experience. Perhaps he could speak out in support of the Slovakian strategy and also canvas a repatriation plan for unhappy practising Muslims already living in Denmark.

    Furthermore, Andreas Kamm could unambiguously redirect the focus for refugee aid, to provide support to camps adjacent to the lands from which they have fled; with an expectation that these people will return as the current civil wars come to a close. Denmark along with neighbouring Scandinavian countries, the Netherlands and other European nations could thereby survive as ‘societies worth emulating’ for others round the world instead of sliding into gross conflict and decay.

    • Myxlplik says

      Aug 30, 2015 at 11:34 pm

      What the heck, avoiding, Armageddon has to start somewhere ;). And with opinions like that, what does he have to lose?

      A few of his more liberal friends?

  17. Lawrence says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 1:50 am

    I have mixed feelings about this. A part of me, as an Israeli, has a sense of schadenfreude. The West overwhelmingly supports Israel’s destruction, so let them go to hell. Let them get swamped by the Muslim nightmare they welcome so avidly. Another part of me is – not everybody in the West deserves this fate. Not you lot posting here.

    However you need to think things through, the economy, the armed forces in the West, the skilled workforce is overwhelmingly under the control of native Westerners, the industries, agriculture etc. Eventually there will be a fightback, it will get very ugly, violence in the streets, we are already seeing it, I think eventually you will get popular revolts, the kind that hasn’t been seen in Europe since the nineteenth century one supposes. And these revolts will sweep aside the PC media, and PC politicians and the current governments, whether liberal or conservative. But this backlash from the working man will be a terrible thing, it will sweep aside many innocents along with the Muslim invaders. And nothing will be learned. Since nothing ever is. That is Islam will be rejected and violently so, but the reality and truth about Islam and Mohammed will still be little recognized and appreciated. Hope I’m wrong, but this Western culture of ours (and I include Israel here) is dumbed down beyond help, beyond redemption.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 2, 2015 at 4:14 pm

      No, the west does NOT overwhelmingly support the destruction of Israel. Idiot politicians, and other shabbily education loses, yes. A majority of the people, no.

  18. duh_swami says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 6:01 am

    Razali reminds me of ‘Tokyo Rose’ of WW2. spouting propaganda to IS troops.

    History is full of power hungry control freaks sired on bitter vetch…
    When they bang on your door you can either resit them, or give them your money, your daughters , maybe your life. If you won’t stand up for the freedoms you have, get ready to roll over, belly up, and play dead…It’s the cowards way,y…’Please don’;t hurt me’…If you’re lucky they will kill you last…

  19. Lesley says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 6:59 am

    I know right now that things can look bleak because our oblivious western leaders are currently placing our civilization so obviously in harms way by entertaining and importing barbarism, but have no fear. I don’t care how big their numbers are, we can take them when the time comes because we have the force of truth on our side.

    Find a defensible corner, cover the basics, keep your neighbors and loved ones close, keep speaking the truth about the evils of Islam with a smile on your face, and wait it out. We may have to stand and fight, but we’ll be okay.

    It’s always darkest before the dawn. Never for a moment forget that we have grit in our $hit that’s tougher than these jihadists. We’ll rid our shores of Islam, and either rescue the people who have been held captive to it (like the author of ‘Hiding in the Light’), or we will get rid of its staunch followers.

  20. David M says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 9:14 am

    France has described eastern European countries as scandalous for not taking more refugees. No France, the scandal is when you take in so many Muslims your own citizens can’t even get on a train without some Muslim wanting to shoot them, due to your country being swamped with Muslims due to your stupidity.

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDYQFjAEahUKEwiuk4OystPHAhVJlZQKHZCGD_0&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fmigrant-crisis-france-criticises-eastern-europe-over-refugees-1.2333942&ei=IlLkVa76Bcmq0gSQjb7oDw&usg=AFQjCNEhXtFQZddcZtGU2LoQXQiyv9zBvw&sig2=XHbbQxlrp0YEY4yo9GEcFQ

  21. BC says

    Aug 31, 2015 at 9:32 am

    Please read the Gatestone article today 31/8/2015
    Germany’s Muslim Demographic Revolution‏
    These Muslim migrants once settled in Germany bring in up to four wives which though not legal in Germany can claim all the benefits of a single parents family including accommodation. So if say 50,000 Muslim males are allowed in, you are looking at a potential 250,000 people not to mention the children they will produce.

  22. dumbledoresarmy says

    Sep 6, 2015 at 7:11 am

    Right now, there is one small thing that every single Jihadwatcher, poster or lurker, and no matter what country or region we live in, can do.

    Because the PM of Hungary has said some things that are true.

    He said it toward the end of an opinion piece in the newspaper:

    http://www.kormany.hu/en/the-prime-minister/the-prime-minister-s-speeches/those-who-are-overwhelmed-cannot-offer-shelter-to-anyone
    Those who are overwhelmed cannot offer shelter to anyone
    September 3, 2015 10:31 AM

    “…To understand what we must do, we need to grasp the true nature of the situation we are facing. Europe is not in the grip of a “refugee problem” or a “refugee situation”, but the European continent is threatened by an ever mounting wave of modern-era migration….

    “The first and most important question is defence of the borders. Only after we have held back the tide will it be worth talking about all the other issues. Only when we have protected our borders can we ask questions such as how many people we want to receive, or if there should be quotas.

    “….Let us not forget, however, that those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims.

    “This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity.

    “Is it not worrying in itself that European Christianity is now barely able to keep Europe Christian? If we lose sight of this, the idea of Europe could become a minority interest in its own continent…”.

    And then he said more, and even more tellingly to the point, in a different interview:

    “We don’t want to criticize France, Belgium, any other country,” he said, but “we think all countries have a right to decide whether they want to have a large number of Muslims in their countries. If they want to live together with them, they can.

    “We don’t want to and I think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country.
    “We do not like the consequences of having a large number of Muslim communities that we see in other countries, and I do not see any reason for anyone else to force us to create ways of living together in Hungary that we do not want to see.”..”.

    So, the thing that all of us who oppose Islamisation, who oppose the Global Jihad, can do, right now, is this: we can express support for the PM of Hungary, for saying those things which I have just quoted.

    We can *all* write, post-haste, to the Hungarian Ambassador in our respective countries, quoting exactly those statements made by the Hungarian PM, and expressing our total agreement, our support, and our *respect* for PM Orban. State that we agree with him on those points and are grateful to him for putting the matter so plainly.

    *Then* we also write to our heads of state, our presidents or prime ministers, and we attach a copy of the letter we’ve just written to the Hungarian Ambassador, and we say – “I, citizen X, wholeheartedly *agree* with what PM Orban has said, because we see that Muslims do NOT, generally speaking, integrate, and we have observed, world-wide, that when in minority Muslims cause trouble out of all proportion to their numbers – the trouble increasing exponentially in proportion as the Muslim presence grows both in absolute and in relative terms – and, in short, that where there are Muslims, there – sooner or later – *will* be Jihad. So we request and require, as free Infidel citizens and taxpayers who wish to continue enjoying the safety and freedoms we have enjoyed to date, and wish to bequeath relative safety and freedom to our posterity or the posterity of our kin, that *all* Muslim entry into our countries be henceforward, STOPPED. No matter what it takes. No. more. Muslims.”

    Just imagine the effect if every Hungarian embassy world-wide, but most especially across the West, and also in India, were *inundated* with an avalanche, a tsunami, of letters expressing support for PM Orban’s plain speaking about Muslims, and Muslim ‘immigration’.

    And imagine if heads of state, all across the West and in places beyond, were simultaneously inundated with letters citing PM Orban and saying, “Please listen to him, he’s telling the truth, please DO this…let us have NO MORE MUSLIMS!”

    • Diana says

      Sep 6, 2015 at 10:18 am

      Brilliant! I’m drafting a letter right now – actually sevral more letters – great concept DDA!

  23. Cartimandua says

    Sep 8, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    I have a lot of problems to believe a guy who was so for it and now is so against it. Why. Exactly? I just don’t get it or believe it…yet.

  24. Cartimandua says

    Sep 8, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    I have a lot of problems to believe a guy who was so for it and now is so against it. Why. Exactly? I just don’t get it or believe it…yet. He worked for the UN against his peoples wishes and NOW, he thinks differently? Perhaps we should INTERVIEW EVERY person we free countries have ever sent to that disgusting UN. And ask them again, whose side they WERE on at the UN. Get rid of the UN and start a NEW Organization of ONLY Free Countries. Maybe 10, maybe not even that many. USA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND, UK. OK 5. Small group, only ones observing the original UN mandate. Hungary may now join, after their brave fight against the Muslim invasion. . Any countries who agreed that their own media had lied about this Muslim invasion, could apply. I think we might have to strike off the UK. Their media lied. So, we may not know too much about the Big Geopolitc game being played, but we do know that ordinary Free People living by the rules have been played in the Las Vegas sense by all our so called rulers. Sick of it. Imagine a group of countries all free, rather than that vile UN sticking together?

  25. Cartimandua says

    Sep 8, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    I certainly hope Western Canadian has not got his knickers in a knit because of anything I said??? Did I say white in any way, didn’t think so, I do not like this way of responding. I wish it was I say something, you respond, not people misunderstanding a comment way down the line. In case you are in doubt I would like to see the corrupt UN disbanded and only true free nations start our own. Say what you like. The UN as it is, foul and corrupt in every way, has no right to tell any free born citizen of a free nation what to do. Since it is WE the Free People of the World who have been paying for it for decades. And watching the disgusting liars lording over it. OK, let the arguments begin.

  26. Cartimandua says

    Sep 8, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Western Canadian, settle down. I would ask Jihad Watch to make it easier to comment after a comment. I think you are a bit out of line here, We are on the same side, aren’t we? Cheers, hell I just proposed getting rid of the foul UN, surely you could back me on that? Calm yourself, nothing can be won if the powers that be see us backbiting each other? Right?

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