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Iraqi archbishop: US more concerned about image of Islam than victims of persecution

Aug 10, 2015 6:16 pm By Robert Spencer

archbishop-wardaArchbishop Warda said: “All the statements (by U.S. government and media) have not condemned strongly what damage it is doing. What they are saying is just ‘This is not the true Islam. This is violating the picture of Islam.’ The issue for them is the image of Islam, but none of these statements speak about the victims, about what has been done to the victims, they are not even mentioned. And that is one of the questions our people have.”

Indeed so. But most of his coreligionists in the U.S. don’t dare press this point, for to do so would harm the “dialogue.” In fact, the U.S. Catholic bishops even more actively to silence those who speak out about why this persecution is happening. Their complicit silence is also in pursuit of this chimerical and self-defeating “dialogue.”

“If you won’t help our people stay, help them leave – Catholic bishops from the Middle East,” by Mary Rezac, EWTN, August 5, 2015 (thanks to Ming):

Catholic archbishops from Iraq and Syria said Tuesday that while they hope to help their people stay in the Middle East, they also believe those trying to leave are being unjustly discriminated against when applying for United States visas.

According to federal data, since October 2014, 906 Muslim refugees from Syria were granted U.S. visas, while only 28 of Syria’s estimated 700,000 displaced Christians were given the same. Even when accounting for population percentages (Christians account for 10 percent of the religious makeup of Syria), the numbers of visas granted seems widely disproportional.

Chaldean Archbishop Bashar Warda of Erbil and Melkite Archbishop Jean-Clément Jeanbart of Aleppo spoke at an Aug. 4 press conference at the Knights of Columbus 2015 Convention in Philadelphia about the situation for Christians in the Middle East.

They said that while they do not believe the discrimination against giving Christians visas goes all the way to the top of America’s administration, their people have noticed the injustice.

“Our people are asking these questions: how come we apply for the American visa and are denied?” Archbishop Warda said.

“This is a clear case of persecution,” he added.

“They’re being denied visas while others who have participated (in the violence) or at least were silent can go.”

Ideally, Archbishops Warda and Jeanbart would like their people to stay and help rebuild the Christian populations in the Middle East, where Christians have lived since the first decades after Jesus’ death. But they also know they cannot ask people to stay in the dangerous conditions when they choose to leave.

“We would like our people to stay, we would like (that), but emigration is a personal decision; we cannot encourage, but we cannot stop it,” Archbishop Warda said.

Iraq alone has seen a massive emigration of Christians. The Christian population has plummeted to 300,000, down from about 1.5 million before the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of the country. Within the last year, tens of thousands of Christians in Mosul and Bakhdida were forced to flee, pay exorbitant fines, or die at the hands of the Islamic State. Many have left the country, while the remaining Christians relocated to Erbil, in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Archbishop Jeanbart said it would be less expensive for Americans in the long run to help Christians maintain their presence in the Middle East, than it would be to accept hundreds of thousands of refugees.

“Help them to stay and help the society there,” he said. “The first thing they need is peace. Help us to get peace, and then the people will be happy staying in Syria.”

Archbishop Warda said one of the most important things Americans can do is to speak out about the violence being done to Christians in the Middle East.

“All the statements (by U.S. government and media) have not condemned strongly what damage it is doing,” he said.

“What they are saying is just ‘This is not the true Islam. This is violating the picture of Islam.’ The issue for them is the image of Islam, but none of these statements speak about the victims, about what has been done to the victims, they are not even mentioned. And that is one of the questions our people have.”

“Please remember this: this is part of your heritage, this is part of being an American. Please speak for the persecuted around the world, especially for the Christians today,” he added….

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  1. nicu says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    this is absolutely correct and a big shame !

    But it’s not the US only – ALL Western leaders act like that !

    • mortimer says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 9:49 pm

      The silence of Western leaders and clergy helps the perpetrators…never the victims of jihad.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 4:48 am

      This gentleman and his colleagues are perfectly right!

  2. Bamaguje says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    No dogma (religious or non-religious) should be protected at all costs.
    Ideologies are not supposed to be end in themselves. If they do not better humanity, if they cause so much violence, suffering, misery and death; then it should be good riddance to bad rubbish.
    Islam must be disparaged and ridiculed for the obvious evil it clearly is, then condemned to the dust bin of history where it rightly belongs.

    • Shane says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 10:47 am

      Yes, the left has decided to protect Islam and Muslims from any criticism, whether legitmate or not and they label anti-Islam criticis as racists or Islamophobes. However, these same liberals do not label anyone who criticizes Christianity or Christians as racists or Christianophobes. It is clear that the left is on the side of Islam against the West and Christianity.

      • Bamaguje says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 4:07 pm

        The Left considers Islam an ally in taking down the Judeo-Christian free enterprise West.

      • DP111 says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 5:54 pm

        This is the main issue for all Western governments – no matter what Muslims do, or what the imam’s preach, or what is the written canon of Islam, it is important, nay vital, that the public image of Islam as the RoP is maintained.

        What the purpose of maintaining the fiction that Islam is a peaceful religion, is something we have yet to determine.

  3. Angemon says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    Archbishop Jeanbart said it would be less expensive for Americans in the long run to help Christians maintain their presence in the Middle East, than it would be to accept hundreds of thousands of refugees.

    The archbishop is under the assumption that the US will take in Christian refugees…

    • cranky.white.woman says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 7:11 pm

      The Archbishop shouldn’t assume such things when a man like Obama is sitting in the Oval Office. According to this article, 12 Chaldean Christians currently being held in an ICE detention center in San Diego are being deported.
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/06/iraqi-christians-held-for-months-by-ice-after-crossing-mexican-border-in-asylum/

    • Shane says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 10:49 am

      The USA will not accept large numbers of Christian refugees under Obama, and probably not under Hillary. All Christians should get out and vote in the GOP primaries and support the eventual GOP winner who will be more pro-Christian than Hillary. We are fighting for the survival of Christianity and Western Civilization, as Islam is an existential threat to both.

  4. sidney penny says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    It is always good to remind ourselves of the Catholic Bishops

    “Spencer’s talk about extreme, militant Islamists…might undercut the positive achievements that we Catholics have attained in our inter-religious dialogue with devout Muslims”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/02/worcester-bishop-spencers-talk-about-extreme-militant-islamists-and-the-atrocities-that-they-have-pe

    Archbishop Warda is not talking about extreme militant Islamists and still the Cathloics do not help..

    Worse no focus on the victims.

  5. wildjew says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Shouldn’t he be addressing the Pope? The Vatican?

    • Peggy says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      The Pope is not listening. He is a lier and most likely sold his soul to the elites.
      I would guess that he is the last Pope before that long awaited war begins.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 1:50 am

        He is a liar not lier. I really should check first.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm

        If we had a nickel for every Pope over the centuries who was thought to be the last before the Eschaton, we’d be able to retire on the Riviera. Secondly, one doesn’t need to reach for a dastardly “Elites” explanation to explain the current Pope’s pro-Islam sentiments, since the majority of the West more or less shares them. If a phenomenon can be explained with a less radical explanation, there’s no need to reach for the more radical conspriacy theory.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 1:12 pm

          voegelinian side snipping Peggy? Gee, who could have seen that ever happening after his praise over her support of his “total deportation” meme?

          Oh, wait:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/polish-convert-to-islam-we-will-hold-mass-executions-in-st-peters-square/comment-page-2#comment-1278848

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 5:39 pm

          Yes, Angemon, Peggy is not perfect, and I never said she was, did I?. Congratulations. You get a free salmon. Now do a hat trick, please…

        • Angemon says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 6:01 pm

          Nice try, bub – whether or not Peggy is perfect is not the point. The point is that despite your delusions about others “side snipping” and discouraging Peggy from commenting, it was you who went and did just that on the very next day. I don’t believe biblical prophecies or whatever cabal you imply Peggy mentioned, but I don’t feel compelled to crack jokes at those who do. What you said added nothing to the discussion and was deliberately demeaning to Peggy, and it’s even more egregious coming from you, with your routine complaints about “bullies” and “attacks”.

          Comes as no surprise to me, really, given that you’re the official, if not only, side sniper around – I’m just surprised you stopped playing “good cop” that quickly.

          BTW, are you done grazing grass, or eating glass, or whatever it is you said you’d rather do than reply to me?

        • Champ says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 6:36 pm

          Angemon, you’re absolutely right about voeg; and it’s become a choir keeping track of his glaring double-standards, too. He needs to make like a tree and leave …for good, this time. And he certainly won’t be missed either.

        • Champ says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 6:37 pm

          chore, not choir …

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 13, 2015 at 1:47 pm

          “despite your delusions about others “side snipping” and discouraging Peggy from commenting,”

          My comment appended to Peggy’s comment was not “snide”, nor was it an instance of “sniping”,. It was a substantive commentary about the problem of premature eschatology in history, with a tiny dash of wit & sparkle thrown in (about the Riviera). This gross misuse of words by Angemon in his ongoing mean-spirited hostility to my stance is sophomoric. And as such, it hardly rises to the level of anything that would discourage Peggy from commenting. After all, she weathered the outrageous fulminating rage of Angemon’s friend Philip Jihadski (and friend of gravenimage, Wellington, Mirren, Champ, et al.) many moons ago — a frothing, spittling, death-threatening rage so over-the-top, even Marc deleted all traces of it after the fact.

          This curious inability to measure gross disparities of contrast, and adjudicate priorities appropriately, which asymptotics like Angemon regularly evince, may be one clue as to why they are asymptotic in the first place; or it may just be a symptom… Who really knows the torturous logic of the asymptotic? (Certainly not the asymptotic himself!)

        • Angemon says

          Aug 13, 2015 at 5:25 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “My comment appended to Peggy’s comment was not “snide”, nor was it an instance of “sniping””

          Right, “radical conspiracy theory” and stuff is neither “snide” nor “snipping”. Got it.

          “ It was a substantive commentary about the problem of premature eschatology in history, with a tiny dash of wit & sparkle thrown in (about the Riviera).”

          The “Rivera” bit being the unnecessary snide. But I see that as being part of your unequaled wit. Surpassed, yes, often, but never equaled.

          “This gross misuse of words by Angemon”

          You got the wrong guy on that, voeg – if you want to identify anyone misusing words all you have to do is look in the mirror. You dabbled and backpedaled on the source and meaning of “asymptotic”, and you label any criticism you get as an “attack”. I have no desire of quoting scriptures, but it seems a sin to let pass such a blatant instance to say “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye“.

          “in his ongoing mean-spirited hostility”

          Hostility it may be, but it’s not mean-spirited in any way. It’s the logical outcome of all the times you went out of your way to lie and misrepresent me and my stances.

          “to my stance is sophomoric.”

          Nope – I have it in good account that I make a solid case for what I say while you resort to ad-hominems and insults. If you want to talk about lack of maturity, you might want to start explaining the dozens, if not hundreds, of times you willingly lied about me out of the blue.

          “ And as such, it hardly rises to the level of anything that would discourage Peggy from commenting.”

          Because you can read minds and you exactly what makes any given individual stop commenting or not, right?

          “After all, she weathered the outrageous fulminating rage of Angemon’s friend Philip Jihadski (and friend of gravenimage, Wellington, Mirren, Champ, et al.) many moons ago — a frothing, spittling, death-threatening rage so over-the-top, even Marc deleted all traces of it after the fact.”

          I’ll call this “Evidence 234,5345,364” of your easiness and eagerness to engage into petty insults and ad-hominems. (BTW, that 234,5345,364? It’s an hyperbole).

          Also, do notice, my friend, that you’re letting the mask slip: if what you said was in no way classified as “snide” then you wouldn’t need to go “oh, she endured stuff from PJ so she can certainly endure stuff from me”. And, of course, PJ never made any death threats – just another instance of you venting YOUR rage in a childish fashion(meaning, lying about someone you hate)

          “This curious inability to measure gross disparities of contrast, and adjudicate priorities appropriately,”

          This coming from you, who spends most his your time here thinking up increasingly outlandish ways to undermine, deride and discredit forefront figures of the CJ movement, like stating that Robert Spencer was genuinely expecting the islamic state to condemn the beheadings they’ve been doing:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/jihadi-john-flees-the-islamic-state#comment-1274002

          Or when you tried to tar Jamie Glazov as being an ex-leftist (I wonder if you’ll ever go after muslim apostates like Ibn Warraq, Hirsi Ali or Wafa Sultan next?)? How did that work? Oh, yeah, you had to admit you couldn’t prove what you said and spin up some damage control:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/jamie-glazov-moment-how-leftists-hate-muslims#comment-1277853

          “which asymptotics like Angemon regularly evince, may be one clue as to why they are asymptotic in the first place; or it may just be a symptom…”

          You could have thrown another “asymptotic” in – you’re not getting the message through in a clear enough fashion… Also, do define asymptotic – no one here reads minds (or at least I assume that much) and you’ve already backpedaled a couple of times on the meaning of that word.

          “Who really knows the torturous logic of the asymptotic? (Certainly not the asymptotic himself!)”

          Are you implying that there’s something even you don’t know? I’m shocked! SHOCKED!!! All kidding aside, voeg, I never had any problem in explaining the “why” anything I say. You, on the other hand, are about as honest and forthcoming as a politician trying to sell used cars during election time – things are as you say they are because you say things are as they are, and anyone disagreeing with anything you say is to be mocked, derided, lied about and bullied into silence. That’s why your first response included a sneering “You get a free salmon. Now do a hat trick” and your second was a sophistic dismissal (when you failed to address the remark you made about conspiracy theories and tried to pass a snide comment as wit) followed by another of your boorish exercises in playing the victim, with a side order of “tar the CJ regulars who are not even part of the argument with guilt by association” (gravenimage, Wellington, Mirren, Champ).

        • Angemon says

          Aug 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          Also, voeg, if you’re going to present PJ in that jaundiced fashion, you might as well add you would be fine with him as he is if only he was on your side rather than debunking you. That’s a critical detail, seeing as you went out of your way to tar others by means of any association they might have with PJ – glass ceiling, throwing stones, etc.

        • Champ says

          Aug 13, 2015 at 6:09 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          I have no desire of quoting scriptures, but it seems a sin to let pass such a blatant instance to say “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye“.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Bravo! Very fitting verse for voeg, Angemon! …he is the poster child for “HYPOCRITE”

  6. somehistory says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    “It tells those who dwell on earth to make an image to the wild beast…and to give breath to the image so the image could speak and cause to be killed all those who will not ..in any way…worship the image (Revelation 13).”

    Like he said, the *image* is what is important to the *leaders* who make decisions for everyone else…so that many are being killed because they will not convert to the satanic beast of islam.

    • gerard says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 11:23 am

      “worship the image”
      Good catch.

  7. mortimer says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    Archbishop Warda is the authority on persecution in the Middle East because he’s there every day.

    Western politicians and clergy who shield from criticism the standard Islamic teachings of KAFIR HATRED (al walaa wal baraa) and MILITARY JIHAD are actually COMPLICIT in ATROCITIES against the Middle East’s minorities.

    By failing to learn the jihad doctrine, Western leaders and clergy are allowing the perpetrators to evade criticism, capture and punishment.

    • underbed cat says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 6:47 am

      If the West learned about the “jihad doctrine”, which the politically connected.. deny at present, they would have to recognize the presence of the MB in our government and unwind years of failed policy….which seems to be crumbling at times. There would be a lot of explaining. At this point there would be a push back by members the devout muslims and a lot of disruption.’

      Denial of American visas to the victims of lslamic jihad protects the plans to insert jihadists into the U.S. as refugees.Obama would be exposed and everyone would be shocked….but not everyone. This really is a ignorant disgusting mess, sometimes though I think it is really unraveling in secret, thanks to the many voices who speak out.

  8. bobm says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    puke up that dogs breakfast of Roman Catholicism and come out from them .. they talk outa both sides of their mouth …and you might be taken seriously.

    • mortimer says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 9:54 pm

      You’re partially informed. Many of the RCC clergy are infected with cultural Marxism which has allied itself with the enemies of European civilization…Pope Francis has a strong whiff of cultural Marxism.

    • Fr. Basil says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 10:29 pm

      That means it’s OK to be an Eastern Catholic–like those who are being persecuted.

  9. Dominican priest & professor says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    Please do not make unsubstantiated statements like “In fact, the U.S. Catholic bishops [work] even more actively to silence those who speak out about why this persecution is happening.” I teach at a Catholic seminary and from time to time offer measured critiques of Islam. I have never been called on the carpet by a bishop nor the rector of my seminary for telling the truth about the dark side of Islam.

    Not all bishops are silent about Islamic terrorism. The following is an excerpt from the website of the Archdiocese of New York:

    We Must Speak Out!

    The plight of Christians around the world, especially in the Middle East, has become a major humanitarian catastrophe. Yet there is little attention being paid in the West, and few governments are saying anything in response. The Holy Father, on Easter Monday, challenged people not to be “silent and inactive”, in the face of the “unacceptable crime” of the persecution of Christians around the world. And Cardinal Dolan has also called for people to speak out about the situation, lest this Easter be the last for Christians in the Middle East.

    One way to do this is to use the USCCB Action Center to contact your Congressional representative and urge them to support the Frank R. Wolf International Religious Freedom Act (more information about this important bill can be found below).

    Testimony Before Congress on Religious Persecution

    On May 13, 2015, the House Foreign Affairs Committee held a hearing on “Ancient Communities Under Attack: ISIS’s War on Religious Minorities”. Among the witnesses was Sr. Diana Momeka, who is a Dominican Sister of St. Catherine of Siena from Mosul, Iraq. She gave powerful testimony about the persecution of Iraqi Christians, and how over 120,000 have been forced to flee their homes because of the threat of being killed by ISIS. Her testimony can be read here.

    On March 11th, 2015 Bishop Oscar Cantú, Bishop of Las Cruces, New Mexico, and
    Chairman of the Committee on International Justice and Peace testified before Congress about the current condition of Christians in the Middle East.

    Humanitarian Catastrophe
    The numbers of persons and families impacted by the rampage of ISIL is staggering. The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) identified close to 2.5 million internally displaced persons (IDPs) across Iraq in February 20151. That same month in Syria OCHA identified over 12 million people in need of humanitarian assistance, almost 4 million who had fled the country as refugees, and over 7.5 million internally displaced.2

    The U.N. estimates that the Syrian civil war, now entering its fifth year, has killed 220,000 persons. In Iraq, the U.N. reports that “[f]rom the beginning of January until 10 December 2014, at least 33,368 civilians casualties have resulted from the ongoing violence, including at least 11,602 killed and 21,766 wounded.” Of course, all of these casualties and forced displacements are not due solely to religious persecution, but the weakening of the rule of law and the corresponding rise of extremist groups, many associated with ISIL, created the conditions where religious persecution could grow malignantly like a cancer unchecked. In Syria and Iraq, religious persecution is a distinct crisis within a wider crisis.

    • Robert Spencer says

      Aug 10, 2015 at 11:21 pm

      Not in the least “unsubstantiated.” I am speaking from personal, firsthand experience.

      • John C. Barile says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 12:09 am

        May you ever speak out, Robert.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 12:33 am

        The moment the Pope said that Islam is a religion of peace he neutralized any critisism of it by caring priests and bishops.

    • ECAW says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 1:37 am

      Dominican priest & professor –

      I’m interested in what you make of Pope Francis’ statement:

      “Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence”

      It is incomprehensible to most of us who have read the Koran.

    • kay says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 3:01 am

      Re DPP: “I teach at a Catholic seminary and from time to time offer measured critiques of Islam.”
      Curious about your source materials and the breadth + extent of the critique. Have you ever actually opened one of the Andrew Bostom books or seen the Dr. Bill Warner materials? Does your seminary library have even ONE Andrew Bostom book? Or is that stuff perhaps too real?

      What part or parts of the 1400 year long series of Islamic wars do you address? Do you agree or disagree with the overall figure of 100 million to 200 million lives lost to date? What about 10 million black African slaves taken by Islamic warlords under Sharia law? And100 million black African lives lost due to Islamic enslavement? What about the Will Durant figure of 80 million lives lost in the Islamic wars across South Asia? How many lives lost to Ottoman Turk genocide this century? Just 800K? Or 1M?
      I could bring in more stuff, but a MEASURED critique starts with quantitative and historical analyses.
      Islamists took copious notes of the slaughters. The real question is whether Catholic scholars are familiar with these. Douglas Murray says he doesn’t think it’s about beliefs but facts. And that Mohammed made him leave the Anglican Church for atheism. Point taken.

      Re: “In Syria and Iraq, religious persecution is a distinct crisis within a wider crisis.”
      Well spotted! It’s called jihad. Rape and abduction and slavery are integral to jihad and Sharia law, and these in turn are integral to Islam. And They Are Nonnegotiable So, Islam is really bad for noncombatant women, children and human rights, correct? And not a truth that sets people free.
      Given these severe precepts, in what possible world are Islamists and Christians “co-religionists” ? Do you assert the consequence that jihad and Sharia are compatible with Christianity? How about the extermination of Israel? Is that something the Rabbi Jesus would want?

      Now Boko Haram is formally part of Islamic State, so the scope of crisis is not regional but international and indeed global jihad. How is that theology-driven “wider crisis” acceptable behavior from the Islamic “co-religionists” ? These bad guys want to establish Sharia all across Europe. The Christians would end up as dhimmis as in medieval Spain. ( They already destroyed Buddhist India and we lost the world renowned Nalanda University. And 10 million. )

      The only Christian apologists I support are Acts17Apologetics on youtube, not the Dhimmi type. Like Acts17, I worry about Paris, Charlie Hebdo, free speech and human rights, including for the Christians ( e.g. the Chibok girls ). I’ve done lots of theology since 1979, and I teach that across many public fora, often with the Bostom books. ( It’s a heavy burden to carry, and I am a draft horse. ) IMPO, the Bostom books are of highest importance for classes in religion, politics, history, and the like. Thus the key question: Got Bostom? It’s a simple professional peer question.

      The Dalai Lama ( big time religious scholar ) said at the Vatican in 1972: “Karma is MY business!” And as he repeatedly says, wagging his finger: “You should STUDY more!” So I end up as a truly fervent evangelist for the secular “gospel” ( of Andrew Bostom, Bill Warner, Sam Harris and Caroline Fourest et. al. ). Karma is my business, so I tell people to study more. It all comes down to basics.
      I really hammer on this stuff in the public square, and I win many challenges. True, I cannot expect the opportunity to square off against Reza Aslan or Tariq Ramadan. But I am here to break all their stuff, to be their fire-breathing nemesis. You think Jesuits are serious, but I’m here to fight an actual war like everything bloody well depends on it.
      The real question is: who is serious about this stuff? And that is an existential/ philosophical question, not theology per se. ( “What does Jerusalem have to do with Athens?” ) It’s about authenticite’ and I’m with Camus and Charbonnier. Not Vichy France type collaborationist “theology”, which is wholly despicable, traitorous to The Great Conversation, and most of all traitorous to civilization. My moral philosophy is to stand for civilization entire, and I will not turn the other cheek. Liberte’. Egalite’. Fraternite’. Laicite’. Authenticite’. Solidarite’. <>

    • Jack Diamond says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 3:22 am

      Can you give an example of one of your “measured critiques of Islam”? Is the Islamic State Islamic? Is it acting upon core Islamic teachings or not? Is the persecution/subjugation of Christians by Muslims sunnah/the path or not? Is Islam a religion of war and conquest until the Day of Judgment according to the Qur’an and Sunnah or not? Do you teach what Muhammad said concerning Christians and Jews? Concerning Jesus? Or what the doctrine of Loyalty and Enmity means for co-existence? Or what the example of Muhammad (speaking of the dark side) means to Muslims in how they act in the world?

      • kay says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 4:48 am

        “It is necessary only to want to make things clear.”
        — G. J. Warnock, Lecturer, Oxford University

    • IQ al Rassooli says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 3:50 am

      Dominican priest

      Since I am IRAQI and my language is ARABIC and I know more about Islam than ALL the Western Catholic clergy put together, it is obvious that you too lack understanding of Islam

      Let me enlighten you:

      ISIS (IS, ISIL, etc) is the foremost Islamic entity since the death of Muhammad

      While Osama & al Qaida followed the reading of their Quran Word by Word, IS follows Muhammad’s Quran LETTER by LETTER and by every comma and dot

      Radical, Extremist, Militant or Moderate Islam are the figment of imagination of brain dead Westerners supported of course by so called ‘Westernised Muslims’

      These adjectives do NOT exist because Islam is Islam & Muslims are Muslims and there are NO shades

      Your comments and those of many other so called Christians add to the problem because you are DECEIVING your audience

      IQ al Rassooli
      Kafir & Proud!

      • kay says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 5:40 am

        Re ” Radical, Extremist, Militant or Moderate Islam are the figment[s] of imagination of brain dead Westerners supported of course by so called ‘Westernised Muslims’…
        These adjectives do NOT exist because Islam is Islam & Muslims are Muslims…”

        Agreed. It’s a fixed, unalterable, comprehensive, final, exclusive doctrine with Sharia and jihad and the whole thing. Once that is understood then everything else follows. The Islamic State crew is purist, Wahhabi, Salafist, and somehow hundreds of millions East and West don’t get that yet ( or claim not to ). But in fact a lot of imams state that there is only one Islam. And there is only the one Uthman edition of the Koran, whatever one says about various hadiths.

        I really don’t see why the Shia and the Sunni have to fight to the death, or why the Druze or Alawites have to be converted or exterminated. And it seems incomprehensible to me that Mohammed and his followers have to go after the Hebrews. After all, these are People of the Book. I thought Muslims would have to respect the Old Testament and teachers for same.

        It is very very possible that many or most bishops and archbishops of the Catholic Church have no idea whatever about the core definitions of Sharia and jihad. The Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams must have been completely 100% clueless.
        If they are in the dark, it is still true that this has been a serious problem for well over a thousand years, and the Islamists almost kept Spain and almost got Eastern Europe all the way up to Vienna.

        Seems like these professional theologians are completely incapable of understanding history at all. But it is not possible to maintain a culture without real understanding of history. So that is their job: understand history and understand the extremely fierce competition.
        The Roman Catholics should have completed their analyses of Islam over five hundred years ago. Nothing in the original doctrine changes, so the Catholic scholars should already be able to just grab their books on Islam straight off the official Church library shelves.
        They should not be starting from scratch on this! They should have playbooks. I don’t think they are using any playbooks! It appears they are stumbling in the dark. In that case, why not just grab the Bill Warner materials? Try to improve on those!

        The overall story looks really clear. It may look pretty crazy and irrational in some ways, but we definitely know what the narrative is. It’s Sharia and jihad and those are what Islamic State does. How would their Sharia and jihad not be purist? That’s the challenge question for the obtuse or tricky. I see no effective response to that question anywhere!

        What ISIS Really Wants Graeme Wood March 2015
        http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

        • Jack Diamond says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 11:04 am

          “I really don’t see why the Shia and the Sunni have to fight to the death, or why the Druze or Alawites have to be converted or exterminated. And it seems incomprehensible to me that Mohammed and his followers have to go after the Hebrews. After all, these are People of the Book. I thought Muslims would have to respect the Old Testament and teachers for same.”

          Islam is a replacement theology, not only is there abrogation in the Qur’an, Islam itself abrogates Judaism and Christianity just as the Qur’an abrogates, cancels, the Hebrew scriptures and gospels. Whatever validity Judaism and Christianity had before to coming of Muhammad ceased to be thereafter. Islam also steals Jesus and the Old Testament prophets for itself, as it steals the holy land…in fact everyone on earth since it is revealed we are all born Muslims! Not only that, the Jews are called the most venomous enemies of the Muslims and the Christians are kaffirs guilty of shirk, the worst of crimes. To take either as friends or helpers is forbidden (5:51) and in 9:29 war is declared on them specifically.

          Muhammad said he had been sent to fight and slay people until they recite the Islamic creed. Then they are safe (from him). He also said “strive against the disbelievers and hypocrites and be harsh upon them, their refuge is Hell.” (9:73). Hypocrites are bad Muslims. Apostasy is a capital crime in Islam and the grounds for apostasy, if you examine sharia manuals, is wide ranging indeed. 58:22 “you will not find any people who believe in Allah or the Last Day loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger
          even though they be their fathers, sons, brothers or kindred.” 8:39 says fight (kill) them until there is no more fitna. Fitna is discord and trial in religion. 2:191 says “slay them wherever you find them…for al-fitnah is worse than a slaughter.” Muhammad himself
          ordered a rival mosque burned down (with everyone inside) “and there were those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity to disunite the Believers.” A fine example for future sunnis and shias. The murders of the early Caliphs by other equally devout Muslims are both incredibly violent and examples of Islamic cannibalism trumping supposed brotherhood from the earliest times…till today.

          Here is something from the respected mullahs at Islam Q&A:
          “One of the basic principles of belief in Islam on which all Muslims are agreed (ijmaa’) is that there is no true religion on the face of the earth apart from islam. It is the final
          religion which abrogates all religions and laws that were before it…one of the basic principles of belief in Islam is that the Book of Allah, the Holy Qur’an, is the last of the
          Books to be revealed..it abrogates all the Books that came before it, so there is no longer any revealed Book according to which Allah may be worshipped apart from the Qur’an. It is obligatory to believe that the (Torah & Gospels) have been abrogated by the Qur’an, and that they have been altered and distorted with things added and taken away (2:79; 3:78).

          “One the basic principles of belief in Islam is that we must believe that every Jew, Christian or other person who does not enter Islam is a kafir…and regarded as enemies
          of Allah, His Messenger and the believers, and that they are the people of Hell.”
          —Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid

        • Jack Diamond says

          Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 pm

          So, while Muslims are to be loyal and merciful to one another (and ruthless to unbelievers, 48:29) Muslims causing fitna, disunity, are targets for slaughter.

          Sunaan Abu Dawud Vol 3, Book 40, Number 4744
          ‘Arfajah told that he heard the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Various corruptions will arise in my community, so strike with sword the one who tries to cause separation in the matter of Muslims when they are united, whoever he be.”

          On a note (foot note 4153), the English translator of Sunaan Dawud, Professor Ahmad Hasan admits that it is permissible to ‘cannibalize’ dissident Islamic group/s. He writes: ‘The Prophet (may peace be upon him) did not tolerate disunity and schism among Muslims. Therefore, he ordered that, instead of causing separation and disagreement in the community, it is better to kill the person who causes disunity.’

          Many people will recite the Qur’an but will leave Islam very quickly; so kill them wherever you find them… 40.4747

          Book 40, Number 4747
          Narrated Abu Sa’id al-Khudri; Anas ibn Malik:
          The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Soon there will appear disagreement and dissension in my people; there will be people who will be good in speech and bad in work. They recite the Qur’an, but it does not pass their collar-bones. They will swerve from the religion as an animal goes through the animal shot at. They will not return to it till the arrow comes back to its notch. They are worst of the people and animals. Happy is the one who kills them and they kill him. They call to the book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with it. He who fights against them will be nearer to Allah than them (the rest of the people).”
          http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/cannibalizing_islam.htm

      • bobm says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 11:11 am

        indeed …. thank you .I Q.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 12:30 pm

      “I teach at a Catholic seminary and from time to time offer measured critiques of Islam.”

      That depends on how “measured” your critiques are. Have you measured all the mainstream Islam out of them, such that only “radical extremist Wahhabist Salafism” is left, leaving normative, mainstream, garden-variety Islam smelling like a rose?

      Secondly, the testimony and the call for concern you quoted from the Archdiocese of NY didn’t mention Islam or Muslims at all — it only mentions the Tiny Minority of Extremists: “ISIS” or “ISIL”. Those words are surreal, as though they are describing some vague natural force like a tornado or tsunami, rather than the actions of Muslims putting their Islam into action by harrassing, oppressing, raping, pillaging, and massacring Christians.

      Enough of this “measured” rhetoric. It stinks to High Heaven, and the millions of victims of Muslims following their Islam, for 1400 years right into our bloody present on fire, cry out. Don’t add insult to injury by whitewashing the horror they have suffered, and are suffering.

      • ECAW says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 12:37 pm

        Very true Voegelinian. Well said!

      • Peggy says

        Aug 13, 2015 at 1:25 am

        Totaly agree.
        We have to be able to speak the whole truth about Islam and not hold back.
        I am so fed up with everyone in politics and media sanitising this cult.

        • kay says

          Aug 13, 2015 at 4:47 am

          There is only one Islam. It is composed of the Koran and the Hadith and the life of Mohammed.
          Either we understand that culture or we do not. Either we address that or we do not.
          And this culture is fixed. There has never been anything to negotiate.
          One accepts Islam or one does not. Either way there are most serious consequences.

          I would consider the loss of Europe and the loss of civilization to be serious consequences.
          We have the track record for these people: 100 million to 200 million lives lost.
          I can give a good professional summary of Islam in half an hour, and the key principles of fascist Sharia Law and fascist wars of aggression, slavery and the determined elimination of all basic human rights are very clear to all who examine the evidence. Islamic State is nothing new. It is standard model.

          I am very sorry for Christians in the Near East. But we ( few ) hard-core humanitarians cannot care more for their afflicted co-religionists than the Christians do. It is time for the Christians as a community to step up and meet this challenge like peoples’ lives depend on it. Because they do.
          I would have been very happy to see people going over to Africa to hammer on Boko Haram.

          Those were little girls whose lives were robbed. They needed some people to go save them from the oh-so-religious Islamofascist slavers. And it turns out those kids came from Christian families.
          There are many good reasons to go kill the bad guys such as Boko Haram. You could do it in the name of feminism just as reasonably. I would smash them on general anti-Nazi principles.

          Anyway, some real leadership is desperately needed. Where the bloody hell do we find that?
          We CANNOT lose this war.

          “We cannot lose this war because it is fundamentally a war of civilization. It is our society, our civilization that we are defending.” — French Prime Minister Manuel Valls.

          “The cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or sect, a party or a class. It is the cause of humankind, the very birthright of humanity.”
          — Anna Julia Stewart

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 13, 2015 at 2:52 am

      Glad to hear you are speaking out. Would that more of your fellow clerics–including the Pope–would do the same.

  10. Baucent says

    Aug 10, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    The reason Christians are not admitted as refugees to the US is to do so confirms that there is Islamic persecution of Christians. That little fact Obama’s administration does not want to admit. They don’t want to see Syrian Christians talking on TV about their suffering at the hand of the religion of peace. And so they remain shut out.

    • Linde Barrera says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 1:55 am

      To Baucent- As per your 11:46 pm post of Aug. 10, I sent a fax to Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon last week, asking that his office create an airlift to take several hundred Christians from Syria and Iraq to the US. Or allow them to leave these dreadful places in some timely fashion and go where they are welcomed. I am waiting for his response. Regards.

    • kay says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 3:31 am

      Re: “The reason Christians are not admitted as refugees to the US is to do so confirms that there is Islamic persecution… that…Obama’s administration does not want to admit. They don’t want to see Syrian Christians talking on TV about their suffering…”

      That makes sense! Bloody ‘ell. Usually religion and politics together make very little sense together. And these days, religion and politics combine to generate complete confusion and vicious lies plus massive cruelty, slavery and war against civilians. Like we’re in the tenth century.
      You taught me something that I would not have seen. I’m still not used to all this pathological dishonesty and effing disregard for human values among major elected office holders. Maybe it’s a matter of moving from zero trust to complete distrust. “This is wrong. What is the sinister motivation behind it?” As in: you have to be not just callous but actually evil to do the exact wrong thing.

      You know, in early Christianity the Christian households took in strangers as Christian houseguests. That was one of the main ways Christianity developed in the Roman Empire. Recently the American Christians spent a lot of time and money fighting the homosexuals. Maybe what they need to do now is open their houses to their Christian brothers and sisters abroad who struggle to survive behind enemy lines. That would make sense. It is a healthy and functional approach. And very classical in Christian terms.

      Dr. Martin Luther King:
      “On the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life’s roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life’s highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it is not haphazard and superficial. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.
      “A Time to Break Silence,” at Riverside Church

  11. RCCA says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 2:07 am

    I wonder if the Catholic hierarchy has made some deal with the US State Department to keep quiet about Christian persecution in Muslim countries in order to continue the church’s tax status and accounting practices. (http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/03/catholic_church_and_pope_francis_religious_institutions_are_exempted_from.html)

    I also suspect that the importation of large numbers of Muslims from the Middle East reflects our government’s policy of trying to establish better relationships with Muslims. We have failed in our diplomatic efforts in Muslim Middle Eastern countries, for various reasons, to convince Muslims that the West is compatible with Islam. Perhaps Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants are seen as a diplomatic bridge to the families and connections they leave behind. “U.S. Public Diplomacy: State Department Efforts to Engage Muslim Audiences Lack Certain Communication Elements and Face Significant Challenges” Released on May 3, 2006. http://www.gao.gov/assets/260/250038.html

    This might be why Middle Eastern Christians are being sacrificed and their stories of persecution are being suppressed.

    • Peggy says

      Aug 13, 2015 at 1:34 am

      I really don’t think that you are anywhere near the reason.
      Why do we need to convince them that western values and Islam are compatable? They totally reject western values and think Islam is superior so we are wasting our time and many lives.
      I really believe that the reason our governments are flooding our countries with Islam is to break us and enslave us because Islam is the perfect vehicle for that.

      The elites think they will be able to control the few sheiks, imams or whatever on top while they control the masses. They wish to dominate the world.
      By importing enough Muslims who are basically robots when it comes to obedience to a cult and forcing this on others, the elites think they will have full control.

      I mgiht be very wrong but it certainly feels like that.

  12. Heather says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 3:11 am

    It’s the leaders of the US, not the US as a whole. I’m a US citizen and my heart breaks every time I see a new video that Isis has put out. Also some people on here in the comments section have stated the pope has been bought out by the elite. I have been catholic all my life, I have recently stopped going to mass because something doesn’t feel right with the church and the pope anymore. I feel that the church is about to change and not for the good. I feel it in my bones that something major is coming, as I’m sure many others also feel. Be safe out there and ever vigilant. God bless!

  13. Cecilia Ellis says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 3:54 am

    Dominican priest & professor wrote: “I teach at a Catholic seminary and from time to time offer measured critiques of Islam. I have never been called on the carpet by a bishop nor the rector of my seminary for telling the truth about the dark side of Islam.”

    Out of curiosity, what do you mean by “measured critiques of Islam”?

    Additionally, what would the light side of Islam be, as that would be an informative discussion in a seminary that exists precisely to promote the immanent-transcendent reality of a God, Who in Catholic theology includes Jesus, the Christ of Faith, as the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity — one God, three Persons?

    When an ideology exists that denies that Jesus, the Jesus of History, was the Son of God [1], that denies that Jesus was crucified — replaced by someone who looked like Him [2] –, but likewise mandates that those who do believe such (“polytheists”, i.e., Christians) [3] should be killed, it is difficult to reason that a lighter side exists. A survey of the Christian experience in Islamic-majority countries suggests that there is little to appreciate from adherents to an ideology that expresses itself by the following: amputating limbs, bearing false witness, beating to death, beheading, blowing up with bombs, burning alive, burying alive, crucifying, drowning, gouging out eyes, denying religious expression (churches, synagogues, etc.), destroying ancient sites and artifacts, enslaving and trafficking captives [non-Muslim], kidnapping, lying (kitman, taqiyya), polygamy, raping, stealing, teaching that Muslims are the “best of people” [4] and Christians and Jews are the “vilest of creatures” [5], training children to hate, and using children as suicide bombers.

    “The Holy Father, on Easter Monday, challenged people not to be “silent and inactive”, in the face of the “unacceptable crime” of the persecution of Christians around the world.”

    Yes, Pope Francis did do that, but that challenge was directed to the Shalom Community “at the end of his Easter Monday Regina Coeli Address. This Catholic group had sponsored a relay which ended in St. Peter’s Square to show solidarity with and raise awareness of persecuted Christians.” [6] What would have been somewhat more effective would have been that Pope Francis issue a new encyclical addressing the predominance of Christian persecution around the world, with a focus on Islamic intolerance, since encyclicals are the means by which the Pope promulgates his primary concerns. An additionally effective action might have been for him to declare a World Day of Prayer for Christians Persecuted and Martyred around the World. After all, Pope Francis announced a World Day of Prayer for the Care of Creation. [7]

    Pope Francis has said: “Authentic Islam and the proper reading of the Koran are opposed to every form of violence.” [8] That is absurdly inaccurate. It is his responsibility to proclaim the truth, the truth for which Christians have died a brutal death. That would make it possible for all, not a few, Catholic Bishops everywhere to stand up and speak the truth boldly. That, in turn, might compel Western leaders to not just condemn, but to stop this genocide.
    ____________________________________________________

    [1] Qur’anic verses: 4:171, 6:101, 17:111, and 18:4
    [2] Qur’an 4:157
    [3] Qur’anic verses: 3:151, 5:33, 8:12, 9:5, 9:29
    [4] Qur’an 3:110
    [5] Qur’an 98:6
    [6] http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-francis-do-not-be-silentabout-persecuted-chri
    [7] “We live in a time where all Christians are faced with identical and important challenges and we must give common replies to these in order to appear more credible and effective.” http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/08/10/pope_francis_announces_day_of_prayer_for_creation/1164087
    [8] “Evangelii Gaudium,” para. 253

    • bobm says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 11:00 am

      measured criticism? would that not best describe the CHA CHA Rome has danced with islam from the time of its aids de camp.. SENT to assist in the very beginnings of islam and the purposed “protection”…. and education of mohammed from a boy. Rome thinking they could just engrave the symbols of baal and any other pagan identities on their heavenly bejeweled robes for future power and authority.. … getting the first Christians eliminated …..then the hatchling islam grew up and bit them in the ass…. over and over and over again… Now they dance with their bastard progeny to the tune of the coming reign of antichrist … Watch for the smoke of sacrifice in Jerusalem’s new temple… they’ll all be there partying…….singing PEACE….PEACE…..PEACE .. the anthem of the mob.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 12:45 pm

      Yes. Islam does not merely deny the divinity of Jesus and the Trinity theologically; it is a declaration of fucking WAR on all “Shirk” which the Koran explicitly defines as God having a Son and God being Three.

      Koran 9:28-33 begins by establishing the context: it is talking about how evil the Unbelievers are (al-Kafiroona = Kuffar) and how evil the “idolaters” are (al-Mushrikoona = those who practice Shirk). Then it moves to establishing the principle and command for Muslims to wage war perpetually against all who refuse to submit to Allah and to Muhammad. Then it immediately moves into condemning both the Jews and the Christians for Shirk

      Then elsewhere in the Koran, 4:171, after establishing the concept of the evil of the Kuffar (4:167), it explicitly sets out the condemnation of orthodox Christian theology:

      O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not “Three” – Cease! (it is) better for you! – Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

      All a Westerner has to do is read the rest of the Koran’s blood-dripping hatred for the Kuffar to put two and two together.

      But that may not be a critique “measured” enough for the Dominican priest & professor who commented on August 10, 2015 at 10:57 pm, and may reflect a bit too harshly on all the nice Muslims who adore and believe this camelshit against whom he may be anxiously concerned not to be “bigoted”.

      • Cecilia Ellis says

        Aug 11, 2015 at 12:55 pm

        Voeg, thanks for highlighting “shirk,” the unforgivable sin in Islam. I thought about addressing that specifically in my comments, but frankly, I was growing tired. Glad you did so. Very good point!

  14. MikeT says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 6:39 am

    Hey – doesn’t Archbishop Warda look a helluva lot like Robert De Niro?

  15. duh_swami says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 9:18 am

    The fatwa from Rasulullah Obama, early 2009…’Protect the image of Islam, at all costs’…
    And after nearly seven years, we can see how those ‘cost’s’ have taken monstrous proportions…
    Treason unopposed is…still treason…

  16. rcourtemanche says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 11:41 am

    It’s a fact. Will the traitors and hypocrites of the Western World please stand up.

    • rooare says

      Aug 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm

      They can’t stand up they are to busy groveling at the feet of their Islamic masters.

  17. gerard says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    ’Protect the image of Islam, at all costs’
    See somehistory’s post above re: “Worship the Image” Revelation 13.

  18. rooare says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    And as our PC leaders both political and ecclesiastical continue to blather about the IS not being Islamic the victims continue to pile up.

  19. Margarita says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    Hussain Obama never cares about the plight of persecuted Middle Eastern Christians. When ISIS is slaughtering hundreds of Christians, who refuse to convert to Islam, Obama keeps his mouth shut. But when Muslims were displaced in Myenmar (Burma) ,immediately Obama issued a warning statement to Myenmar government to treat Muslims properly. Why he hates Christians?

    • kay says

      Aug 12, 2015 at 7:18 am

      Re: “Hussain Obama never cares about… when ISIS is slaughtering hundreds of Christians, who refuse to convert to Islam, Obama keeps his mouth shut. But when Muslims were displaced in Myenmar (Burma) ,immediately Obama issued a warning statement to Myenmar…”

      I looked into this. This is a huge problem. I have looked into the Burma ( Myanmar ) problem. It is an ENTIRELY different situation than Islamic State. I am TWENTY times more concerned about the situation in Broken Iraq than I am for either side in Burma / Myanmar. The situation in Broken Iraq is DIRE.

      1) First, let’s get Burma out of the way. The kicking donkeys at al-Jazeera put out a video on GENOCIDE in Burma which I saw. They couldn’t find any genocide. There was strife recently with some aggression on both sides. Some mosques were burnt. Some lives were lost on both sides. The body count is small.
      There were some Muslim/ Rohingya attacks on indigenous Burmese Buddhists in Rakhine. This included one alleged gang rape and a couple beheadings. The Buddhists do NOT like Muslim rapists and it is deeply offensive to behead a Buddhist monk.
      The Buddhists retaliated. They assembled in gangs and went after some Rakhine Muslims ( not targeting women and children per se ). The Buddhists attacked Rohingya with clubs and so forth, not with guns. The Burmese police stood aside and did not protect the Rohingya.
      Some Buddhists sheltered Rohingya. One Rohingya Buddhist was attacked.
      This is NOT genocide. This is social conflict. What happened?

      The government started placing Rohingya in camps and also expelling Rakhine from the country. This is a tough situation, but it is certainly not “genocide”, as al-Jazeera falsely claims. Rohingya are with great difficulty and serious risk trying to travel by boat to other countries.

      The background is here.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_insurgency_in_Western_Burma
      The Rohingya had a long-standing Islamist insurgency. The Burmese had every right to fight this and they did.

      Here is the current state of play for the Rohingya.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/07/world/asia/rohingya-myanmar-rakhine-state-thailand-malaysia.html?_r=0

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-09/pakistani-taliban-call-for-jihad-in-myanmar/6530878

      The Bangladeshi Army is training Rohingya terrorists on Burma’s Borders
      https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/bangladeshi-army-training-rohingya-terrorists-on-burmas-border/

      President Obama did issue a strong statement to Burma. I see no such Oval Office statements against Islamic State abduction, slavery, or child abuse.
      But the Islamists are by all reports training and marshalling resources for war against Burma. Clearly the Burmese situation ( defense against international jihad ) is ENTIRELY different from Broken Iraq ( jihad against noncombatants, women and children ).

      And we have a steady stream of reports from Islamic State of extreme brutality and child slavery. But no White House formal response on behalf of those noncombatants.
      ( Part 2 follows )

  20. citycat says

    Aug 11, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    “This is not true Islam. . . . .”
    If it was not for the violence, threats, murders, fear mongering, death for apostasy, the misogynistic “promise”, etc, then many Muslims would not have joined Islam.

    “Help us get peace. . . ”
    There is no peace that is safe from Islam.

  21. Truth Seeker says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    Leaders of Western Countries and US Feel Proud in giving Red Carpet Reception to Jihadi Terrorist Migrants, from anywhere in the World. At the same time they feel Equally Proud to Spurn the Request of Persecuted Christians from other Countries and to Close Eyes on the attacks from Jihadis on Christians in Own Countries.
    May Opine it a Shameless Act, but None of the Rulers bothers, because they are controlled by the Jihadi Trojan Horses Infiltrated in the Administration.

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