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Malala gets two 24-hour armed guards after jihad death threats

Aug 24, 2015 11:06 pm By Robert Spencer

MalalaMalala has insisted that those who tried to murder her are not true Muslims, and that Islam is a Religion of Peace. There is, however, no shortage of Misunderstanders of Islam. And note that while shattered, staggering, dhimmi Britain can manage to give Malala round-the-clock guards, the Obama Administration has not been quite as generous with Pamela Geller, whose life is no less threatened by bloodthirsty jihadists. When it comes to death threats, you have to have the correct opinions to be protected.

“Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai given two 24-hour armed guards after ‘terror death threats,'” by Gemma Mullin, MailOnline, August 22, 2015:

The 18-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai has been given two 24-hour armed guards after she was made a key target by terrorists.

Police have reportedly increased the teenager’s security to that usually given to ministers and visiting political VIPs after spy chiefs warned of a raised threat to her life.

She was just 14 when she survived an assassination attempt after a bullet narrowly missed her brain as she was shot on a school bus by the Taliban in her native Pakistan.

The girls’ education campaigner was flown to Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, where she was treated for life-threatening injuries.

After her treatment, she was allowed to settle in the city – and last year she became the youngest person ever to win the Nobel Peace Prize.

A source told the Sun: ‘Her life’s been at risk since that failed murder attempt. But threats have grown significantly as her profile has become bigger.

‘Being a Nobel winner and female education campaigner means she is seen as a global ambassador. Her elite police protection reflects this.’

Scotland Yard said it would not comment on matters of security or close protection….

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  1. Champ says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    The “islam is a religion of peace” slogan has been proven to be so incredibly deceitful and false–over, and over again–that I’m stunned there are still muslims who use it, and at those whom actually believe this tripe. This is almost as old and as bogus as “the devil made me do it” …

    • Peggy says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:49 am

      So what are we to think when someone like this girl says it? Is she serious? Is she scared and has to say it? Is she fooling us? I can’t decide how to take this.
      Islam is the reason she nearly died and here she is defending it.

      • Champ says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 1:26 am

        All great questions, Peggy; and maybe her reasons are a combination of fear and lying, I don’t know. All I do know is that the false “islam is a religion of peace” motto does not pass muster with discerning people anymore.

        • JIMJFOX says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 3:31 am

          You don’t understand the Muslim mindset and the power of life-long indoctrination.
          Malala is a victim of Islam in many ways, not least her misguided faith.

          Much like Mehdi Hasan, obsequious pipsqueak and self-promoter, she holds absurd
          beliefs that are [sadly] common amongst the very religious…

        • VRWC member77 says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 7:47 am

          @JIMJFOX

          “Malala is a victim of Islam in many ways, not least her misguided faith.”

          Yeah, sure. Much like barack hussein obama is a victim. He received the nobel pece prize too. Perhaps you should focus on the pattern instead of your idea of religious “intensity.”

        • Judi says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 8:43 am

          JIMJFOX – Mehdi Hassan, obsequious pipsqueak. LOL, just about sums him up!

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:12 am

          I think she means it–she takes her cues from her father, who is a far Leftist (Communist, or close to it). He is a type that is fast disappearing in the Muslim world today, who is largely secular himself but gives endless lip service to the “religion of peace”.

      • Don Foss says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 7:47 am

        Why don’t you just read the Qur’an yourself, study as much of the Hadiths as you can, understand sharia, have a serious look at the life and mssion of Islam’s prophet? Muslims want you to just believe what they tell you. Go to the sources. That’s where you find the truth.

        • roger woodhouse says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:55 pm

          Those still mouthing the slogan that Islam is a Religion of peace are desperate for it to be do.Once this myth is exposed by someone in a position of some merit the whole house of cards will come crashing down .There is no one at present prepared to make such a stand. Purely out of fear of the consequences

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm

          Don, have you read the Holy Ko-Ran? I have, and I think that you have too, and I’ve gotta say that it’s the ugliest hardest to read book I’ve ever encountered. Man, not only is there some bad stuff in there, as in bad news for us, but the book itself is grotesque in its writing.

          That, of course, is why Moslems extol it as the perfect work of literature, the finest piece of art. Much like the Holy Prophet Mohammed is the Perfect Man for all to emulate by God’s command.

          Turnspeak.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 12:09 pm

        Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.

        Two more words: Patty Hearst.

        Take those four words and magnify the danger they portend by a billion.

        Do the math.

        • Kaffir007 says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:08 pm

          So true…

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:38 pm

          4 billion Patty Hearsts would be very tough. 4 billion Malalas would be devastating, probably the end of the world. The End Daze, so to speak.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 6:18 pm

          To Voeg – who sez

          “Two words: Stockholm Syndrome.

          Two more words: Patty Hearst.”

          To which I would add two more words:

          Scared shitless

          Cheers! Quotha Sock Puppet… er now I’m a “meat puppet”

      • Georg says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 6:46 pm

        At the individual level, don’t ever underestimate ego in explaining otherwise inexplicable behavior. At the group level, particularly having to do with family or ethnicity, the aggrandizement multiplies. Like an abused child who won’t see the misdeeds of his/her parents, so won’t Malala view Islam critically. She’s obviusly very intelligent, but for a fish to see it’s in water requries genuis and she’s likely not at such a wattage (as so few are).

    • Bronson says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 1:55 am

      And we have George W for promoting the statement that “Islam is a religion of peace” in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 and making it mainstream, repeated by just about every Western politician since he mouthed it.

      • Michael Copeland says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 4:10 am

        George W. Bush is not known for general knowledge.
        Islam authorizes deception of non-Muslims in the cause of Islam.
        “Using deception to mask intended goals” is Muslim Brotherhood strategy.
        The Muslim Brotherhood’s main U.S. front group is the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
        CAIR supplied Bush with the “Islam is peace” message.
        It was a deception.
        Using Bush was a brilliant and successful propaganda ploy.
        The “Islam is peace” message was, and is, a lie.

        See “The Duping of Cameron”
        http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6720-the-duping-of-cameron

        • Bronson says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 7:36 am

          Yes it was, and 9/11 was a tremendous success for jihad more generally. Part of the cleverness though is that “Islam is peace” IS true, but so is “Islam is a religion of violence”. It is both: peace as it relates to those who have submitted but violence towards those who have chosen to not submit.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 2:46 pm

        … George W for promoting the statement that “Islam is a religion of peace” in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 …

        The single most damaging utterance ever by a U.S. president.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 8:21 pm

          To APF – who sez “… George W for promoting the statement that “Islam is a religion of peace” in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 …

          The single most damaging utterance ever by a U.S. president.”

          Right you are, APF, with the earlier words of his father, George, Sr, when he introduced us to the “New World Order” coming in a close second

          Do you think that they are related? The utterances, not the Bush men. I’m asking this seriously, not rhetorically.

          Cheers! Quotha R

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 8:14 pm

        A PERFECT example of BDS… Bush Derangement Syndrome. Yes, he was incredibly 180 degrees and tens of thousands of parsecs off the mark with that (adviser fed) comment. And suggesting he was the first to utter such a pathetic load of slop, is beyond stupid. This is supposed to be a board on islam (RTC), not a board for political and historical illiterates. Take your Bush hated elsewhere, and no, I am not a fan of him.

  2. Peggy says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 12:46 am

    I am not saying that this girl shouldn’t get protection but if we make sure that everyone who stands up to Islam gets protection like this we will go broke. This means that we really need to get rid of as many Musliim troublemakers as we can instead of watching them which is costing a lot and not producting good results.
    Obviously Muslims have a plan to bankrupt us by sponging off our welfare for life and then forcing us to give 24 hour protection to people.
    The one thing is find alarming is that this girl still thinks that Islam is a religion of peace and her attackers are not true Muslims. Is she for real?

  3. Huck Folder says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 12:53 am

    $50,000 to Hamas?

    The ‘education activist’ described the situation in Syria as a ‘heartbreaking tragedy’, [No. Normative islam] while speaking at the opening of a Malala Fund girls’ school in neighbouring Lebanon.
    ‘I am here on behalf of the 28 million children who are kept from the classroom because of armed conflict,’ [No. Because of islam]she said at the time.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207225/Nobel-Peace-Prize-winner-Malala-Yousafzai-two-24-hour-armed-guards-terror-death-threats.html#ixzz3jnZFa3cr

  4. ECAW says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 2:29 am

    Of course Malala should have protection. The police always protect people who have received death threats.

    Or pehaps I’ve got that wrong:

    http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6858-the-latest-arrest-of-tommy-robinson

  5. Know Thy Enemy says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 3:55 am

    The reason why Malala thinks that “those who tried to murder her are not true Muslims, and that Islam is a Religion of Peace” is because that is exactly what she has been told by those she respects! She is not doing taqiyya; someone is doing taqiyya on her. I bet a burrito that it is her mullah lying to her (Her father probably welcomes such sweet lies since they comfort her daughter and keep her stress free).

    As most of us already know, Muslims consider lying to be perfectly fine if doing so somehow benefits Islam. What many do not know is that lying to other Muslims is also equally acceptable for the benefit of Islam. And who can be more adept at this evil art than the Mullahs!

    Women (Muslimahs) are lied to a lot more than men. Their parents lie to them, their husbands lie to them, their mullahs lie to them, ……. and if they ever find out that something they were told was inaccurate, it is covered up with another lie. Muslimahs rarely suspect that they were being lied to….. after all, who would suspect that their parents or other elders and especially the religious people might be lying to them about God and His religion.

    On top of that the girls are raised to believe that nothing is more important in life than protecting Islam and its image. So even if some Muslimah realizes that she was being lied to, she accepts it without complain since to her, the liars were only doing what is most important- protecting Islam’s image!

    Taqiyya is not practiced specifically on the lower/middle class women. The upper class, educated, powerful women too are lied to. The case of Benazir Bhutto (a former Prime Minister of Pakistan) comes to mind. She had said, “I do not believe that any true Muslim will make an attack on me because Islam forbids attacks on women, and Muslims know that if they attack a woman, they will burn in hell.” (source below). Well, she was attacked with a bomb the very next day of making that statement, but she survived! Within 2 and half months of her making this statement, there was another suicide-bomb attack against her, and this time the attacker succeeded in killing her!

    Where did Benazir learn that “Islam forbids attacks on women…”? Who told her such a thing? Well, who else could it be except her imam/mullah, or some other pious Muslim who she respected enough to ask and believe his response to be true!

    Source for Benazir’s quote: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/magazine/what-pakistan-knew-about-bin-laden.html

    • Simone Fields says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 9:43 am

      They may as well all be kept out of school in that case then – won’t make any difference if they all carry on believing the lies!

    • mortimer says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 3:46 pm

      Thanks to KTE for this: “Women (Muslimahs) are lied to a lot more than men. Their parents lie to them, their husbands lie to them, their mullahs lie to them, ……. and if they ever find out that something they were told was inaccurate, it is covered up with another lie. Muslimahs rarely suspect that they were being lied to…”

      Lies create the Islamic Stockholm syndrome.

  6. citycat says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:01 am

    The religious conditioning is strongly fixed in a person, maybe more important to some followers than is their spouse.
    She needs to converse with Muslim apostates to see the other side of the story.
    It can take time depending on several factors, length of time in the religion, how she got there, who are her peers etc.
    She could be a spy too.
    She must know how women are treated by Islam.
    Nothing may matter to her, she may regard Islam as free from all wrong, because of god and all that.

  7. Rob says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:05 am

    Malala is an advocate for education.
    Assuming she can read her holy book or could learn to do so, can she explain the licence to kill that occurs everywhere therein?
    Malala – a licence to kill cannot be central to any peaceful religion!

  8. Steven says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:24 am

    Malala , give me the reasons why you think and say that mohammedanism is a religion ( / ) of peace ( ? ) . The facts are 100 % against your speech.

  9. DAI says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:32 am

    This girl is a fraud.She sickens me whenever I see or hear about her. To think she has more money than my parents have earned over their lifetime angers me. Go back where you belong ,Malala,to any Islamic country of your choice.Her voice irritates me ,too. Its like she`s being strangled. Wake up Europe or face the consequences.

  10. Ginger says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:50 am

    Here is a brave and intelligent girl who has had life-saving surgery in a nominally Christian country and who has achieved top grades in her science exams due to a Western secular education, but who is still able to fantasize in spite of the evidence in front of her own eyes. She knows full well that if she returned to her home country she would not survive a week. Someone’s working very hard on her.

    • A homeless, disabled UK citizen says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 6:04 am

      I doubt that she had a secular education. There are too many Muslim schools in the UK, they learn Science simply because they have to. Some like it as they can become Drs without believing or using basic hygiene methods..

    • Marty says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 6:36 am

      Malala is very brave & independent minded, BUT
      She has been brainwashed since birth by the most vile
      religious ideology ever concocted.
      You cannot be a devout muslim & a good human being.
      You can easily be good as an ex muslim or a non observant
      muslim.
      The enemies of all that is good are trying to drag her back
      into their fold. If they succeed, all her bravery will be wasted.

    • Jaladhi says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 7:02 am

      That’s due to the power of life long brain washing!! Because of this brain washing their mind becomes dead and they cannot think beyond what their lying imam says. If she can think than shouldn’t she question – if Islam is religion of peace why these devout followers of Islam are bent upon killing her? But no, she just shrugs it off by saying these killer Muslims misunderstand Islam. Now that is being plain stupid if she cannot even rationally think that!

      She should just leave Islam but will still need 24 hr guards to protect her from devout Muslims!!

  11. June Skelton says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 5:24 am

    “Scotland Yard said it would not comment on matters of security or close protection….”

    Oh no? Well, here’s a little hint for Scotland Yard. They could comment to the effect that:

    “An unarmed young girl is under threat from a number of brave men armed with deadly weapons. It’s our duty to protect her from those courageous fighters.”

    • ECAW says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 5:34 am

      I expect the true Muslims in her area will take it upon themselves to protect her.

  12. Jesse James says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 5:32 am

    I SLAM Islam!!

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      high-five!! 🙂

  13. Stephanie says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 5:56 am

    “… who tried to murder her are not true(?) Muslims”

    allah’SS jihad 9:111 “SLAY … that is the achievement SUPREME.”

  14. A homeless, disabled UK citizen says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 5:59 am

    How much has this girl cost the UK taxpayer? At least a few million? It is a joke that hate preachers and Muslims get armed police guards and moved to other houses paid for by us, when people standing up against Islam who also get death threats, just get arrested. She was given a house, education and hospital treatment which many of us cannot get. She is now very happy to spend her vast fortune on other countries and not help anyone who needs help here.The heros are the people who got her to safety, not a puppet who has words put into her mouth. UK public are also heros for funding her above our own poor people and Muslim girls who are abused here. Islam is the reason why women are treated as 2nd class. The countries culture is secondary to that and based on Muslim beliefs. What a stupid girl for continuing to follow this rubbish religion after the Uk has shown her that girls can receive the same treatment as men in a non religious country where people have some morals. I forgot, foreign Muslims receive better treatment than anyone. She now has a huge fortune and should contribute to he UK, pay back what she owes and stop taking more from the system.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      Indeed!!! Very good points to consider.

  15. Angemon says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 am

    For all of Malala’s talk about “education”, one would expect she would educate herself on islam and pull a Hirsi Ali or Mona Walter, which would be the only logic option. Taste your own words before you spit them out, practice what you preach or don’t preach at all, etc., etc., etc.

    Of course, she would lose her role as a propaganda tool if she did that…

    • d says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 7:54 am

      In the end, she’s still just a kid and a product of her upbringing and culture. She’ll change in time if she lives around free peoples in free communities in the UK.

  16. Judi says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 7:02 am

    My sympathy for her completely dissipated when I learnt that she handed over her Nobel Prize money to help “rebuild” Gaza.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:15 pm

      It’s 2015, and you guys are still trusting Muslims who pass certain superficial litmus tests (oh, she’s young and female, and she’s being attacked by other Muslims, and she seems so nice, therefore…).

      No. Our feelings are irrelevant. We must adopt a rational prejudice against all Muslims, or we will surely die in far greater numbers than we need have.

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 8:02 pm

        The same attitude that most people develop towards you?? Sounds good to me!!!

  17. Karen says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 7:15 am

    She is also a victim of a system that pounded these ideas into her. Being only 18, she can’t yet project out of that intense indoctrination, but with her fine mind, perhaps she will some day. The atrocities that occur daily in Pakistan – especially against non-Muslims and perpetrated not only by the Taliban but by ordinary people – cannot be lost on honest thinkers like her.

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 2:55 am

      To Karen – I hope you are right. Cheers! Quotha R

      • Karen says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 12:19 am

        Quotha R, I do as well! k

  18. Will says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 7:16 am

    Her Nobel prize was in-spite of I-slam . She was nearly killed being spiteful to I-slam’s dogmas , insisting girls were to be educated. Her peace-prize was all in-spite of I-slam ! Yet I-slam claims victory in acquiring that coveted Nobel prize……. Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that’s REACHING !

  19. VRWC member77 says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 7:51 am

    @JIMJFOX

    “Malala is a victim of Islam in many ways, not least her misguided faith.”

    Yeah, sure. Much like barack hussein obama is a victim. He received the nobel pece prize too. Perhaps you should focus on the pattern instead of your idea of religious “intensity.”

    • citycat says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 2:40 am

      But is it not religious intensity that is the cause of the miasmic patterns from Islam

  20. Baucent says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 8:21 am

    One thing is for sure, that level of protection is going to cost the poor old taxpayer a fortune per year.

  21. quotha raven says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 9:19 am

    Frankly, I’d like to see a little more compassion and restraint with the hatred here. Malala is an activist not unlike Pamela Geller and Hirsi (forgot her last name). She’s a courageous, hardworking and exceptional young girl who has fought for years, both in Pakistan and in her subsequent life in Britain, for a western education for girls. She has formed a foundation for that cause and is funding scholarships and the building of schools for girls in Pakistan. She was shot point blank on a school bus by a Taliban thug.

    While I have no particular respect for the Nobel Peace Prize, especially since it was awarded to Obama, this child is nonetheless quite special. We’re talking about a girl who was personally and specifically targeted for assassination; she was shot and very nearly killed when she was only fourteen. Whether or not she is a “pawn” or “propaganda tool” as some of you say, and a case might be made for that, she is admirable. No one volunteers to be a pawn.

    Who knows what she says or thinks about Islam? Newspapers, as we all know, lie and dissemble all the time, especially yellow rags like the Daily Mail. Who’s to say the Daily Mail isn’t a propaganda instrument for the nancy British Government, who consistently want to plaster a pretty face on all things Muslim? I clicked on the link to the original article and read it in full and the comments that followed it. I was mortified at how consistent in tone they were, even more malevolent than here.

    Bamaguje says above, “She has to keep up the “religion of peace” pretense in a futile attempt to get the Jihadists to call off their assassins.” His is the voice of reason and might inform the thinking of those who may have shot off a poorly thought out message of hatred towards Malala. What I see here is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Those of you who hold Christian beliefs and values might reconsider just what stance you take regarding Malala. All things considered, I find the hatred expressed here counterproductive and very distasteful indeed.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      I see my sock puppet is getting out of line again 🙂

      Why do you want to give a Western education to Muslims? Do you think a Western education given to Muslims will help reform Islam and help solve the horrific, metastasizing problem Islam is causing the world? That’s what Bush thought, and in fact schools were rebuilt and opportunities were magnified after our liberation of Iraq. And now Iraq is in worse shape, with Iraqi people supporting ISIS on the rampage.

      And think of all the Western-educated terrorists we have seen for the past 25 years (if not longer); the studies that have shown that Muslim terrorists are more likely to be middle class in wealth and university educated.

      If you still think Wilsonian outreach will help reform Muslims, consider what Diana West reported a few years ago — namely that

      “The United States of America has already tried improving Afghan safety and quality of life, and on a colossal scale, and it just didn’t stick. And back then, between 1946 and 1979, there was no Taliban “insurgency” complicating the social work of nation-building. ”

      …

      [Then Diana West quotes Nick Cullather, a history professor at Indiana University:]

      “U.S. officials described it as “a major social engineering project,” responsible for river development but also for education, housing, health care, roads, communications, agricultural research and extension, and industrial development in the valley. The US ambassador in 1962 noted that if successful, HAVA would boost Kabul’s “earnings of foreign exchange and, if properly devised, could foster the growth of a strata of small holders which would give the country more stability.”

      “This billiard-ball alignment of capital accumulation, class formation, and political evolution was a core proposition of the social science approach to modernization that was just making the leap from university think tanks to centers of policymaking…

      “Development, economists Walt W. Rostow and Max Millikan of MIT assured the CIA in 1954, could create “an environment in which societies which directly or indirectly menace ours will not evolve.”

      [END QUOTE]

      At the end of that report, Diana West added a wry, bitter, “yeah, right”. After those millions of dollars along with intensive attempts at helping Muslims in Afghanistan on the ground in those 30 years, what happened? A far worse and more monstrous logical evolution of the global revival of Islam happened, making all that money and effort we spent not only go down the toilet, but transmogrify into an even worse and more dangerous money pit, with extremism out of control.

      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/04/those-politically-correct-1940s-and.html

      • Mazo says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 4:18 pm

        Lets pretend that this Cold War politicking was some kind of benevolent outreach by the magnimous, kind American government which selfless cares about the world.

        The American government you see, wasn’t concerned at all about Soviet influence in Afghanistan and seeing Afghanistan slip into the Soviet-India alliance against American ally Pakistan. The Americans were not concerned that the Soviet allied India, would reach out to Afghanistan and help Afghanistan in its attacks on Pakistan over the Durand line dispute.

        No, America was selfless and cared so much about the Afghan people that it gave this aid for humanitarian reasons.

        The American government was so concerned about human rights, that it gave death lists of prominent Indonesian intellectuals and civilians accused of being Communists for the right wing Indonesians to put out of their misery. You see, life was a pain in a third world country so the Americans wanted to shorten the time they spent in the world.

        The Americans were so concerned about human rights that the CIA partnered with the right wing-ultra nationalist Islamist racist Turkish Grey Wolves in order to send leftist Turks and Kurds to the afterlife and helping Turkish right wing nationalsts burn leftist Alevis alive. You see, they were just trying to sterlize the building of germs when the set it on fire in case one of the Alevis got an infection or disease.

        America is loved because of its selflessness and compassion since it never thinks of ifs own interests when doing anything.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 11:43 pm

          More grotesque calumny of America from Mazo, who spouts apologia for every Muslim barbarism.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 6:48 pm

        To Voeg, who sez “Why do you want to give a Western education to Muslims?”

        Because I fervently believe that education embodies the power to wake up people, and I hope that ultimately Malala and other Muslims will come to see the depravity of Islam.

        While many jihadists come from educated, moneyed, upper class backgrounds, some notable and widely known Muslims are “de-programmed” by education. I am hoping that Malala is one of the latter.

        As to the rest of your observations above, “social engineering” has always been anathema to me in its fundamental concept more even than in the details. But no one could regret more than I the misguided efforts – all shown to be miserable failures – and billions of American taxpayer dollars that continue to pour into this despotic experiment, as well as plenty of guns and armaments of all kinds, which seem to end up in the hands of our enemy in the middle east. I remain convinced that Benghazi was strictly a gun-running operation designed to provide Syria (and, as it turns out, ISIS) with weaponry.

        Cheers – Quotha

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 11:49 pm

          Hi, Quotha. I *wish* you were right, but millions of Muslims have now received good Western educations, both as exchange students from the Muslim world and as Muslims who have made Hijira here.

          And yet, a majority of Muslims in the West still want to see the imposition of Shari’ah law.

          It may have happened in a handful of cases, but for the most part receiving a good Western education has *not* led to Muslims embracing civilized Western values. God knows, I wish it were otherwise.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 1:07 am

          To Gravenimage – It is so hard to figure out whether you are right, and you may be, or my hope for education as an answer is justified. Who can actually figure out stats to support your position or my hope?

          One thing I will say, though, is that the reason I am tuned into Malala is that my almost-13 yr old precocious granddaughter, all on her own, held a quite remarkable bake sale on Saturday to raise money for Malala’s educational foundation.She had read Malala’s book and done her research. I was so touched and moved by that and so involved, emotionally, in it. I was acutely aware of Malala’s history and situation a couple of days before this article came out on JW.

          I would never disabuse my granddaughter of her conclusion that education helps, nor would I discourage her from her efforts to reach out and become involved in such a sweet and trusting manner as she has done. I know you understand. And what Malala is fighting for is exposure of young girls to education, not cynical, spoiled, rich young men from Saudi Arabia going to Yale or Oxford.

          I am, btw, also aware that US colleges and universities LOVE middle eastern students, because they are big payers. As, I imagine, you are as well. I have a vague notion that you have some connections to some California institution of higher ed, perhaps Berkeley…and that you are an artist. I was a faculty wife, albeit a sassy one, for some years. Not too many years))) Haha, there’s a personal revelation; I quite enjoy some commenters referring to and relating to me as a guy. LOL. No, I really do! Hope I haven’t with this comment blown my ambiguity. Cheers! Quotha R

    • Angemon says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 2:48 pm

      quotha raven posted:

      “Malala is an activist not unlike Pamela Geller and Hirsi (forgot her last name).”

      She is unlike Pamela Geller and Hirsi Ali in the sense that they’re anti-islamic activists while Malala is a muslima.

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      quotha wrote:

      “Malala is an activist not unlike Pamela Geller and Hirsi (forgot her last name).”

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Of course these women do not deserve to receive death threats, no one does …

      That said, it’s profoundly absurd to make this comparison between Malala, and in particular, Pamela Geller. In fact, such a comparison reaches the height of ignorance.

      Malala is an islamic DECEIVER. Whereas Pamela Geller is NOT. Never compare someone like Malala to a *true hero of freedom* like, Pamela Geller! Comparing them to one another is beyond absurd, really.

    • citycat says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 1:09 am

      Yeah, the truth is not to everyone’s taste.
      If islam wanted her dead she’d be dead. Islam will use western education against the west, well against all who are not muslims, eventually.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 1:21 am

        To Citycat – Your comment is a little ambiguous. Can’t really tell what your point is, but just in case, I’ll repeat something I posted earlier, to someone else:

        They shot off her left ear. Is that not enough for you? Her nerves are damaged, as one can see from her photos, and she can’t smile properly any more.

        I believe the Taliban thug who targeted her WANTED to kill her, since he shot her right in the goddam head. Maybe he was just a bad shot or too hyped up to aim carefully?

        Cheers! Quotha R

        • citycat says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 3:46 pm

          “is that enough for you?”
          I’m not of the ilk that that comment refers to.
          It’s more the thing that she is still of the faith than that they tried to kill her, she seems therefore to infer that she believes that the assasin is simply just not behaving properly, type of thing.
          You said things are distasteful, which could infer that you have an underlying morality that MAY hinder or try to hinder free expression about the massive mess from Islam, which may be a massive mess from previous shenanigans involving the murder of Mo’s wife.
          I notice you’re pretty freely expressed, good.
          Wasn’t Mo a pagan originally? Who killed Mo’s wife? Was the Koran written by Mo’s enemies? Who knows? There are differing views. Does it matter? There is a massive mess outta control, what’s the solution? Is there one even. And not that the rest of Earth’s humans are so innocent. Ok

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 4:14 pm

          To citycat – Thank you for clarifying where you’re coming from.

          I don’t wish to squelch any comments or commenters here at JW, but it’s not censorship to suggest a little discernment and kindness might be in order in the case of Malala.I’ve seen a lot of vitriol in the written reactions to her here.

          I believe that Malala may be terrified of being seen as an apostate, penalty “off with her head”, and that may be the reason she does not appear to have renounced Islam. Or, as others have suggested, she could be so deeply steeped and propagandized in the religion for her whole life that it seems to her like part of her DNA. I hope not. Goodness knows she’s suffered a lot at the hands of Islam.

          I noticed in the Daily Mail Online article about her that Malala took a course in “religions”. Interesting. One would think that (perhaps elective?) course would enlighten her, but who knows. Maybe that course presented Islam as a religion of peace.

          I’d also like to know whether or not she has read the Qur’an, Sura, Hadith. Seems to me if she did read it, that alone would be enough to put her off. I also continue to hope that exposure to western ways will open her eyes to a better way of life. Cheers! Quotha R

        • citycat says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 6:40 pm

          Vitriol- i suppose it goes with the current ground.
          There is compassion too. So a wide range of expression.
          It may have to be just to bring the truth to the fore.
          I think that wide range runs with the nature of Islam. An infidel can’t trust Islam.
          There is unknown and hidden stuff with Islam.
          So one is left making a stab in the dark sometimes. Ok

  22. Jon says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 11:32 am

    Not sure how many of you are aware of this but the peace loving Muslims actually let the people who shot Malala out of jail like a few months ago… because in the eyes of Allah they didn’t do anything wrong… But yah good luck with your two armed guards there Malala http://time.com/3910490/malala-suspects-acquitted/

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 11:50 pm

      Thanks for the update, Jon. I have read this before, and I am hardly surprised.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 1:11 am

        I read that too, and I’m not surprised. I am disgusted, however. Cheers! Quotha

  23. Charli Main says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 11:55 am

    Saint Malala prattles on about education for women ( fair enough) but has never once spoken out about the mass rape of Hindu, Sikh and Christian women in Pakistan. She has never even spoken out about the gang rape, torture and murder of muslim women in her beloved Pakistan. She has never uttered one word of criticism about her beloved islam which legitimises this appalling treatment of women.
    Malala Yousafzai is a typical two faced muslim hypocrite, that basks in the freedom of Western Democracy and the FREE benefits that it showers on her, while seeking its destruction.
    I wonder how many JWers are aware of the REAL Saint Malala ??
    Here is a message that Malala Yousafzai sent to the 32nd congress of the Pakistani branch of the International Marxist Tendency

    ” I AM CONVINCED SOCIALISM IS THE ONLY ANSWER AND I URGE ALL COMRADES TO TAKE THE STRUGGLE TO A VICTORIOUS CONCLUSION.
    ONLY THIS WILL FREE US FROM THE CHAINS OF BIGOTARY AND EXPLOITATION.
    A snake nesting in the bosom of western democracy.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 2:08 pm

      Charli Main wrote:

      Saint Malala prattles on about education for women ( fair enough) but has never once spoken out about the mass rape of Hindu, Sikh and Christian women in Pakistan.
      ……………………….

      Actually, she did mention violence against Kuffar in Pakistan in her book: “Sadly those minority communities are often attacked,” Of course, this is pretty vague. She doesn’t say *why* Infidels are attacked by her pious coreligionists.

      • Charli Main says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 2:45 am

        As you say, a vague line in a book that most people will never read, counts for little.
        The time for Saint Malala to speak out, is when she is standing on her global soap box in front of the world´s media with the camera´s rolling.

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 6:07 pm

      To CharliMain – My political views differ vastly from Malala’s if she puts her faith in socialism. I’m a dyed-in-the-wool capitalist, not a Marxian, and I’d like to sock communists in the nose* every chance I get. That does not keep me from appreciating the positive contribution she is trying to make, And whatever you or I think of the Nobel Peace Prize, Malala has done enough to get their attention, and I think that is mildly impressive.

      *something we sock puppets do rather well, I might add 😉

      As to why Malala doesn’t address the despicable rapes and sex slavery you mention – or female genital mutilation, for that matter – one has to pick one’s battles, and she has chosen to fight for education. The context of Islam is important to what she says or doesn’t say, and I can see that she might call Islam “the religion of peace” if she fears the consequences of being seen as an apostate, as in “bye bye head.” I don’t see her politics OR her fight for education as revealing “the real Malala”…they are all components of a girl who is evolving into a viable, educated adult after a pretty horrendous start in life.

      As I view the preponderance of evidence about this eighteen year old insofar as I’m aware of it, I believe she deserves credit for what she does for education, even though her political views may be repellent to me. I don’t consider that her views on education, her publicity or her foundation make her “a snake nesting in the bosom of western democracy”. Her ideas about socialism conform to those exhibited by most Europeans and half of America and drive me crazy. I’ve read that her father is a staunch communist.

      Where did you find that quote about socialism, btw? Cheers! Quotha R

  24. Walter Sieruk says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    In Malala’s insisting that those Pakistan Taliban thugs who tried to murder her are not true Muslims shows that she ‘s still in strong denial about the real cruel, vicious and misogynist nature of Islam, This also shows that the people around her have been misleading her about the actual brutal, callous and deadly essence that is so much part of Islam. One person who really understands the powerful and violent misogyny of Islam is Brigitte Gabriel, who is the founder and head of actforamerica.org . For example in her book which is entitled THEY MUST BE STOPPED she informs the reader that “Woman in Islam are considered unclean, deemed inferior even to dirt.”
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    • Linda Rivera says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 1:46 pm

      Intelligent, well-informed, educated Malala in strong denial about true Islam? No way. She sees the daily horrors Muslims inflict around the world on a daily basis. She has the Quran and other Islamic literature. And history which records the barbaric genocides of hundreds of millions of non-Muslim innocents at the hands of bloodthirsty Muslim savages.

      I’m sick and disgusted by her filthy lies and vile deception for Islam. What a DECEIVER.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 1:13 am

        Yes, Linda Rivera’s argument and conclusion is the most cogent.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 1:25 am

          To Voeg – I hope as your sock puppet I am still allowed to say that I find some of your comments appallingly cynical. This one is one of them. Cheers! Quotha R

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 3:32 am

          Well, Quotha, my cynicism with regard to Muslims only reflects a reasonable inference based on famliarizing myself with the mountains of data and oceans of dots to be connected that exist out there, indicating that the culture and psychology of lying, deception, disinformation, Stockholm Syndrome, and fanaticism — all bound up in a tight weave with the overall tapestry of hate, xenophobia, paranoia, oriented ultimately by a supremacist goal to subjugate all people to Islam — is so comprehensive, we must conclude two things:

          1) if there do exist harmless Muslims, their numbers are too small to be of any practical significance to our #1 priority, the safety of our societies in the face of metastaszing threats of terror far worse than 911

          2) we have no adequate means — on a macro scale — to discern the difference between the genuinely harmless and the deceivers.

          And the macro scale is crucial for the nature of the threat, which is vast and complex due to the nature of demographics out of which the terrorists pullulate, and in which the jihadists swim & network internationally. We mustn’t sentimentally confuse a one-on-one case, whether personal or reported, with the broader problem of millions of Muslims filtering into our soceities. The factors relevant to leading us to get to know, trust, and vett a given individual Muslim is not the same, and far easier, than what it takes to deal with millions percolating throughout our societies. And even the individualized vetting is not perfect. Imagine you were the head of security at a very busy international airport, and this morning you’ve received credible reports of Mb<the high probability of a terror attack at the airport, with no real specifics of time or place, other than it is highly likely to involve Muslim terrorists. Now imagine that your security team has been advised by Homeland to round up all discernible Muslims in the airport and relocate them to an unused auditorium where they can be vetted. (Of course, if I were in charge, I wouldn’t have any “vetting”, I would just detain them indefinitely and not let them on any planes or any other vulnerable areas). Now further imagine your granddaughter is planning to board a plane with her parents, and that flight is going to leave as scheduled tonight. Now imagine Malala — or any other of the many Muslims you apparently think can be vetted for various reasons — has a ticket for that same flight. Would you let the Muslim on the same flight? If you may try to wiggle out of this by arguing that, because of the circumstances of my scenario, it will be safe enough to let the Muslim(s) on the plane with your granddaughter because everyone is already on high alert and the Muslim(s) will be therefore watched like a hawk (not to mention carefully searched beforehand), that would kind of vitiate your claim that you can trust them; would it not…?

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 3:40 am

          to Voeg – who sez: ” Now imagine that your security team has been advised by Homeland to round up all discernible Muslims in the airport and relocate them to an unused auditorium where they can be vetted.”

          Unimaginable. My security team has been advised by the highest authority in the USA to target grannies and babies with pampers on. Are you living in lala-land?

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 4:05 am

          To Voeg – Asinine. Asinine. Yours above is simply asinine. Cheers – Quotha R

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 3:34 am

          Correction:

          “credible reports of Mb<the high probability of a terror attack "

          that "Mb<" was a failed code for bolding the text…

        • ECAW says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 4:47 am

          quotha raven – I don’t see what is asinine about Voegelinian’s post. I notice that you counter it only with a flip aside about grannies and babies, which if anything tends to support his view about profiling, and a mere dismissal with the insult “asinine”.

          I do not like his use of the word “pullulate” (sounds a bit too like “pus” doesn’t it?) and I am under the impression that a great many Muslims are harmless (the only good Muslim is a bad Muslim etc) although just by providing the numbers for those who answer the call to dominate the world to hide amongst, they could well be seen as indirectly harmful.

          It seems to me that his thought experiment about letting your family fly with Muslims aboard is a valid one. I often think of Ali Sina’s question “If you are presented with 100 drinks and told that one contains strychnine, would you drink even one?”

          Also, I agree with him about forming a rational prejudice against Muslims generally because of the actions and known intentions of some. Prejudice, ie pre-judice, to judge before hand – nothing wrong with that. It used to be called being suspicious, a very useful attitude when faced with a group of people which you know includes people who wish you harm but you just don’t know which ones.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 7:03 am

          To ECAW – I’m sensitive to your comments here, Everything Changed, because of your name and my appreciation of where it comes from. And I’m somewhat surprised at the length and seriousness of your response to mine which, I admit, was in part the product of my being being tired, impatient and cranky.

          In fact, when I wrote it, I’d just thrown up my hands and didn’t read any more after Voeg’s initial scenario. (Has he ever heard of “paragraphs” I wonder?)

          Here in the USA, those tasked with vetting air passengers are completely inept. Whether because of stupidity or orders, I’m not sure, but I suspect the latter, but you may be aware that they are completely ineffectual. About 98% of the time, according to news reports a month or two ago. Actually, what was reported was that all the screening at US airports had yielded exactly zero terrorists’ being identified/caught.

          So I thought Voeg’s scenario was a bit absurd, for starters, and I posted that remark. That’s why Voeg’s scenario elicited the response that it did.

          I’ve since read the whole of his post, and while I don’t mind his use of “pulluate” (which, the first time I encountered it on one of his posts, I had to look up in the dictionary), I am and was focusing on the matter at hand, Malala, I reject the black and white evaluation/perception of All Muslims Are Evil meme…is it a meme? Anyway, I believe, while being virulently anti-PC, completely black and white pronouncements about any group of people reflects a kind of brain-dead mentality. Even though a friend of mine whom I totally trust, who is exceptionally astute, and who served as a linguist on several tours in Iraq and one ghastly year in Afghanistan (army, intelligence) has told me that he never trusts a Muslim, period. I think to dismiss Malala as a phony, taqiyya-spewing enemy of the west and a potential jihadist is just….wrong and thoughtless.

          Malala is what this specific thread is about. So while I frequently might rightly be accused of going off topic, I am more focused, in part for personal reasons, here.

          I fully support “profiling” and, indeed, have always rejected the PC bull about its being racist or purposefully denying anyone his civil rights. To disparage or deny profiling is, in my view, another tool of the Left to immerse us in the West in the Through the Looking Glass, Upside Down non-reaiity we are all experiencing. Therefore…stay with me…Voeg’s scenario struck me, in my tired state of mind, as absurd, asinine. In fact, those goons at our airports DO pat down and scrutinize grannies and babies, fearing that they will be considered racist or politically incorrect if they concentrate as, for example, the Israelis do, on actual, likely terrorists: male Muslims between the ages of 20 and 40. I believe this is well documented; I believe these TSA goons are following protocol. I believe this is the epitome of stupidity. Suicidal policy. But, nonetheless policy that prevails.

          You ask ” I often think of Ali Sina’s question “If you are presented with 100 drinks and told that one contains strychnine, would you drink even one?” I don’t know who Ali Sina is, but the answer I would give you is, “Guess it would depend how thirsty I was.”

          I completely agree with your suggestion that to be somewhat suspicious of all Muslims is rational. And I am. I’m just not willing to mindlessly throw them all, and specifically Malala, under the bus.

          Cheers, and my regards to the north of England, so close to Scotland, where I lived for a while in the 70s of the previous century. Quotha R.

        • ECAW says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 7:40 am

          Thanks for your thoughtful reply quotha. Peace.

          Random responses to some of your points:

          1. I get tired and cranky too. And dispirited, to the point where I found myself agreeing with Robert Spencer recently! (though I also agree with the first comment):

          https://ecawblog.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/in-memoriam/

          2. Is it a meme….or a trope or a narrative? So hard to tell, isn’t it? How many memes make a paradigm?

          3. I don’t go for this dismissing Malala as a phony, taqiyya-spewing enemy of the west either. She’s only 18 and not fully formed. I would hate to be judged on the things I said at 18 (yikes!)

          4. The North of England…the Lake District. Gorgeous.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 7:06 am

          Make that…”pullulate”)))))

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 12:34 pm

          Quotha, you have the meme wrong. It’s not “All Muslims are evil” — it’s “We cannot tell the difference between harmless Muslims and evil Muslims”. And to unpack that meme further:

          “Even conceding there are harmless Muslims, we cannot tell the difference sufficiently on a macro scale for the purposes of our #1 priority, our society’s safety.”

          The difference between the macro scale and the person-to-person micro scale is crucial here. The horrific dangers which the evil Muslims present are not limited to the micro scale, but massively involve the macro scale – for one thing, because we have good reason to suppose there are tens of millions involved (even if one is conservative in estimates). ECAW’s citation of Ali Sina’s metaphor is searingly apt here: the two glasses of poison:

          I often think of Ali Sina’s question “If you are presented with 100 drinks and told that one contains strychnine, would you drink even one?”

          Now ask yourself, would you have your granddaughter drink one of the glasses, just because you know one of them is harmless?

          I’ve posed this before with another metaphor which I call “Muslim Roulette” (I wrote two essays on that on my blog). Yet another metaphor/analogy from another essay I wrote was to consider the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and how it behaves with reports of tainted food found in some cereal boxes which have already killed people in a metropolitan area:

          With Muslims, we cannot tell which spoonful, or which box, is non-toxic, and which is toxic: in this way too, it’s helpful, because it’s the same with food products about which there is a general warning. When a few e-coli cases happen, the USDA shuts down all beef production and/or distribution for a time in order to sort out the problem & threat. The vast majority of beef products during such shut-downs are “innocent”.

          What possible concrete relevance, then, does the protestation that there are good Muslims, or harmless Muslims, or “millions of Muslims who are not interested in, or even aware of, the jihadist agenda”? That would be like a consumer activist who otherwise spends all of his time documenting the dangerously lax standards of the beef industry also, out of the other side of his mouth, saying with reference to a beef shut-down to protect consumers, that there are “hundreds of beef products that are completely safe”. What’s the point in saying that, when there are times and situations when you have to treat ALL beef as a potential threat?

          And a fellow reader added the acutely apposite addendum:

          “Indeed, to all who can read, a package that contains 100% toxic material and is labeled as such is safer, by virtue of the warning label, than a package labeled merely “Cereal” that contains a lower percentage of the same toxin. (The latter is more likely to cause injury or death).”

          I.e., “The latter is more likely to cause injury or death” becase people will trust it enough to eat it.

          Also see my essay on the Micro/Macro distinction:

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/06/micromacro.html

        • Angemon says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 2:07 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Quotha, you have the meme wrong. It’s not “All Muslims are evil” — it’s “We cannot tell the difference between harmless Muslims and evil Muslims”.”

          The same way you can’t tell good Christians from evil Christians, good Jews from Evil Jews, good Caucasians from evil Caucasians, etc. To put it simply (and applying it to a “macro scale”): unless you can read minds, there’s no way to tell if any given person is evil or not. Applying that premise to a sub-sect of the human population is neither specifically meaningful nor some sort of breakthrough as you try to make it seem.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 5:47 pm

          “Therefore…stay with me…Voeg’s scenario struck me, in my tired state of mind, as absurd, asinine. In fact, those goons at our airports DO pat down and scrutinize grannies and babies, fearing that they will be considered racist or politically incorrect if they concentrate as, for example, the Israelis do, on actual, likely terrorists: male Muslims between the ages of 20 and 40…”

          I didn’t clarify that my scenario wasn’t meant to replicate our current reality, where holes in our vetting process in profiling is seriously compromised by PC MC attitudes. I was just creating an artificial, imaginative scenario which would be normally reasonable. The problem with analogies is that in order to be meaningful they have to borrow from reality; but they are also manipulating reality in the interest of the logic of the analogy — and this paradox often creates holes in the analogy. Also, if one thinks too much about the analogy, examines it too closely, or begins to pick at it (whether quibbling or not), it can begin to unravel. My airport analogy may well be too vulnerable to this inherent problem to be useful.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 5:58 pm

          quotha wrote:

          “I completely agree with your suggestion that to be somewhat suspicious of all Muslims is rational.”

          There is a level, and there are contexts relative to that level, where one cannot parse out degrees of suspicion. What would it mean, for example, say that “I am 100% suspicious of both glasses when I know (or have good enough reason to conclude) that one of them has poison” but not to say the same thing when presented with 3 glasses, one of which is poisoned; or 4; or 5…?

          Considering what we should reasonably suppose — that innumerable Muslims we cannot distinguish adequately from the broader demographic of Western Muslims when they come and in whicih they swim sociologically are spending years plotting horrific terror attacks on us using any number of types of WMDs (or even creative ways of mass-murdering and maiming we haven’t even imagined yet) far worse, and far more numerous, than 911.– being “somewhat suspicious” of Muslims in general is a recipe for reckless disaster and a failure of our civic duty to our fellow citizens and friends & family on a colossal scale. I’m afraid it’s all or nothing. And it’s not our fault or our problem that we must grimly conclude this;it’s all the fault of all Muslims for making it this way — including the nice ones like Malala who continue to purvey the mosntrous falsehood that Islam is peaceful and that Muhammad is a wonderful founder of that lovely religion and that the Koran is a lovely peaceful book when understood properly… yadda yadda etc., ad Islamonauseam.

          And I am. I’m just not willing to mindlessly throw them all, and specifically Malala, under the bus

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 6:00 pm

          My last post a bit sloppy — the “when they come” should be “whence they come”

          and that last sentence floating in mid air at the end was a quotha quote I forgot to delete:

          “And I am. I’m just not willing to mindlessly throw them all, and specifically Malala, under the bus”

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 4:58 pm

        “I think to dismiss Malala as a phony, taqiyya-spewing enemy of the west and a potential jihadist is just….wrong and thoughtless.”
        It’s not thoughtless. Linda Rivera’s post presented the bare bones of the necessary argument:

        “Intelligent, well-informed, educated Malala in strong denial about true Islam? No way. She sees the daily horrors Muslims inflict around the world on a daily basis. She has the Quran and other Islamic literature. And history which records the barbaric genocides of hundreds of millions of non-Muslim innocents at the hands of bloodthirsty Muslim savages.”

        1. Malala is educated and well-informed about current events and about Islam.
        2. She has grown up in Pakistan, where the evil disease of Islam is massively evident in a thousand ways – no need to reach for the Taliban (or ISIS, etc.); the evil disease is rampant throughout her own homeland of Pakistan, normatively; and indeed it was founded on that diseased evil and practices it a thousand ways now, and ever since 1947 when it was founded.

        Instead of adverting to the veritable Himalayas of data manifesting that evil disease all around her, she either makes blandly vague statements never mentioning Islam and mainstream Muslims practicing Islam as the font of it all; or she actually promotes the fiction that Islam is peaceful and that the Tiny Minority of Extremists are twisting it. As mentioned here above, she also supports the “Palestinian” people and gave thousands of dollars to the Muslims in Gaza who want to genocide Jews.

        #1 and #2 make it highly unlikely that she can plead ignorance.

        “Malala is what this specific thread is about. So while I frequently might rightly be accused of going off topic, I am more focused, in part for personal reasons, here.”

        Secondly, as I commented in greater detail, this isn’t primarily a problem on the micro level where either Malala’s harmlessness (even beneficence), or her potential dangerousness, are the main point: the main point for me is how that micro personal level affects us such that it would predispose us to be less wary, less suspicious, less cynical on the macro level where security concerns more often than not are too complex to be guided by the micro level – and indeed one can reasonably speculate on how micro perspective if allowed to guide the macro level can have disastrous consequences. And this isn’t merely reasonable speculation; there are multitudes of cases in the records over the years.

        Two that come to mind:

        1) as you may or may not know, over the years there have been countless “green-on-blue” killings – where nice friendly Afghanistan Muslims in the Afghanistan police and military who are cooperating with us in helping protect ordinary Muslims from the “extremists” have suddenly turned around and shot and killed (or blew up) our men and women. One such incident was especially emblematic of the whole problem, and one half of the problem was captured in a photograph – of the nice friendly Muslim with his arms around Americans and British soldiers inside a secure compound, all of them smiling & laughing for the photographer. Seconds after the photograph was taken, the Muslim picked up a rifle and began shooting at the men he had been palling around with seconds before.

        2) the other example was so infamous it was depicted in the movie “Zero Dark Thirty” (a riveting scene — the only scene in the movie that wasn’t compromised by subtle PC MC touches): on December 30, 2009, in Khost, Afghanistan, in an extremely secure CIA compound in a war zone (one would think the most secure place on the planet, insofar as high alert vigilance by professionals makes an area secure), a Muslim double agent working for us (or so we naively thought – turns out he was a triple agent working for Islam) was invited into the compound to provide crucial intel on the location of Osama bin Laden. Not only had this Muslim spend many months providing valuable intel to our agents, he was also Jordanian (you know, from the “moderate” country of Jordan) and he was a doctor; and he was nice and friendly. Within seconds of arriving in the compound, surrounded by personnel including seven CIA agents, the nice friendly Jordanian doctor exploded and killed all seven CIA agents. As the Washington Post put it:

        “An internal review concluded that the assailant, a Jordanian double-agent who promised breakthrough intelligence on al-Qaeda leaders, had not been fully vetted…”

        As I put it in my essay ():

        “Good God, if even agents in a CIA compound — described by the AP report as a “secretive eastern Afghan CIA base… used as a key outpost in the effort to identify and target terror leaders”, in a war zone no less! — are so stupid as to trust a Muslim as an ally (and paid with their gruesomely murdered lives for such trust) no wonder the West at large continues to behave so asininely with regard to Muslims.”

        Then, to put a human face on that tragicomic atrocity, I provided a photograph of one of the CIA agents, one Jennifer Matthews, with her little children at home:

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-gold-standard-for-our-stupid.html

        But again, this isn’t primarily about whether or not we should suspect Malala of exploding the next time she is invited to an event filled with Kuffar. It’s about our psychological disposition on a mass scale that in subtle, complex ways contributes to the cultural & sociopolitical climate that influences policy. If our personal sentimental feelings about Malala will not have any effect on that macro scale of how we go about trying to make our society more secure in broad terms (and including a 1,001 minute particular measures we would take as part of our broad concern), then why even bring it up? Of what relevance does it have, if a) it has nothing to do with our macro policy to make our societies safer from Muslims; and b) even doing things on a micro level (helping an individual Muslim for example) will not appreciably affect our macro measures? But if anyone is promoting the idea that the micro level should at any point trump the macro level, I can’t go along with that, the stakes are too high, and our society’s safety is more important than collateral damage to Muslims if and whensoever it comes to that.

        Diana West has written extensively on our insane COIN strategy in Afghanistan and Iraq, where it’s the opposite – our men and women bend over so far backwards in the anxious concern that we might harm “innocent” Muslims in war zones, we have endangered our own men and women (too often, lethally). The bitterly ironic problem with this COIN strategy is that, while it is generally speaking a good idea whenever we would be involved in normal societies that aren’t diseased by rampant religious fanaticism, in Muslim societies the problem of innumerable murderous fanatics percolating & pullulating out of the general populace makes such a scrupulously overweening ethical concern reckless and dangerous – because the very same Ordinary People we are protecting are unpredictably compromised by the presence, impossible to distinguish especially in complex circumstances, with deadly fanatics. Not to mention the related problem of ordinary Muslims enabling in various ways the jihadists (lying to the authorities; hiding jihadists, giving them crucial information about our whereabouts & plans; etc.).

  25. Linda Rivera says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    I’m EXTREMELY DISGUSTED that intelligent, well informed Malala is a vile apologist for Islam and LIES and DECEIVES for Islam.

    If Malala possessed any ethics whatsoever she would be speaking out for the hundreds of thousands of young British non-Muslim white girls, many only age 11 and 12 years old who have been, and continue to be violently gang raped, horribly tortured and forced into prostitution and sex slavery by filthy, demonic, devout, practicing Muslims – the Spawn of Satan.

    If Malala possessed any ethics she would not have given her Nobel prize money to Gaza’s Muslims who voted into power the Hamas terrorist organisation. She would have instead given the money to Islam’s many victims.

    I’m so disgusted.

  26. Walter Sieruk says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    One of reasons that the Pakistan Taliban hates Malala so much that they tried to murder her is because of their religion of Islam which is by nature strongly misogynistic and oppressive of females. So the Taliban must be so very scared of the education of both girls and women that they attempted to kill her. For the Taliban must fear the if a girl of women becomes educated then she might start to look in different worldviews and then she just might start to think of herself. This the tyrannical and oppressive Taliban as well as many other male Muslims detest. This is a reminder of the wisdom of the words of Thomas Jefferson, who stated “Enlighten the people generally and tyranny and oppression of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      To Walter Sieruk – who quotes Thomas Jefferson: ” This is a reminder of the wisdom of the words of Thomas Jefferson, who stated “Enlighten the people generally and tyranny and oppression of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”

      I agree with your assessment of why Malala is a threat to Islam, and I cherish the words of Thomas J, although, regrettably, it is a little idealistic to think they hold much sway in today’s bizarro, upside down, Through the Looking Glass world.

      Still, if not education, what tools do we have. short of bombs and an all-out war, which I’d just as soon avoid? (rhetorical question, Walter) Clearly “diplomacy” is nothing short of a laff riot for those who. like me, have a dark sense of humor.

      Cheers! Quotha R

  27. jayell says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    1. Was Malala in the UK when she was shot? No.
    2. Did a UK citizen shoot her? No.
    3. Was the UK in any way implicated in her shooting? No.
    4. Is Malala a UK citizen? No.
    5. Are her parents UK citizens? No.
    6. Does she have any other connection to the UK? No.
    7. Is Malala in any other way entitled to a State UK education (assuming she got
    one!) or any other rights of UK citiezendship? No.

    Then WHY (a) is she in the UK, (b) has she been educated in the UK and (c) is the the UK taxpayer paying for her 24-hour protection????

  28. gravenimage says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    I saw a movie yesterday and one of the previews was for the upcoming “He Named Me Malala”. This shows the influence of Malala’s father, who as I noted above is an old-school hard-Leftist.

    You can see the trailer here:

    http://www.foxsearchlight.com/post/4129/he-named-me-malala-official-trailer/

    There is, of course, no mention of Islam at all–nor is there any indication that so many Muslims–including in her native Pakistan–don’t consider her a role model at all, but a tool of the “Zionists”.

    Her, book–a bestseller in the West–is banned in Pakistani schools:

    “Malala Yousafzai’s book banned in Pakistani private schools”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/malala-yousafzai-book-banned-pakistan-schools

    It is notable that it was the Infidels in Britain who saved her life, and who have given her sanctuary–and who are protecting her life again.

    • Oliver says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      And, if I remember correctly, she gave a chunk of her Nobel Prize Money (Mr. Nobel must be turning over in his grave, after seeing some of the recent winners of his “Peace Prize”–Gore, Obama, her, etc.). –to Hamas for Gaza (supposedly schools).

  29. chanah says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    the last book she iis allowed to read is the cursed quran and there’s a reason for that, because the monent she does she will leave islam

    • bill walker says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 11:14 pm

      Have heard that Islam is a religion of peace at least 1,000 time3s. Nearly always an Islamic atrocity has been perpetrated, leading to this blatantly FALSE statement.

  30. Mo says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    I cannot believe this silly girl is STILL following this death cult!

    I admired her when I first heard the story. And I’m certainly glad she recovered from her injuries. But she’s now been give a world platform to continue the misinformation about Islam!

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      “But she’s now been given a world platform to continue the misinformation about Islam!”

      Brava, Mo!

  31. david wilson says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 5:55 pm

    See, you American’s keep saying we are finished over here. But we’re not, we are waking up, slowly oh so slowly.

  32. David, Thailand says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    Seems odd that the peaceful guys couldn’t quite manage to kill her even with a bullet in the head on their own turf, and now decide to do so in Britland where its glorious leader adores high profile Muslim girls that support his absurd fantasy of Islam being a religion of peace.

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 6:24 pm

      to David, Thailand – who sez “… peaceful guys couldn’t quite manage to kill her even with a bullet in the head on their own turf…”

      Well, Dave, they managed to blow off the left ear of the then 14 yr old on the school bus. Is that not enough for you?

      Cheers! Quotha R

  33. Richard says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    A true ambassador for peaceful Islam. May she live long and continue to inspire.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 10:41 pm

      Peaceful izlam???? That is an oxymoron if ever I heard one. Whatever some people may believe, it’s either peaceful, or it’s izlam. It cannot be both.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 11:38 pm

      Yeah…right. Islam is so peaceful that pious Muslims are still trying to murder this girl.

    • Mo says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 1:13 am

      @ Richard

      “A true ambassador for peaceful Islam. May she live long and continue to inspire.”

      What “peaceful Islam” is that? Can you show it to me in the Koran?

    • Don Foss says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 4:19 pm

      Being a peaceful Muslim means ignoring sunnah and Allah’s commands. There is no peaceful Islam if you follow Islam. So-called “peaceful” Islam is erased by Qurán 2:106.

      That said, I am thankful that the vast majority of Muslims are born into a culture and a religion they cannot escape without the sword of death hanging over their heads, literally. The majority of Muslims just go through the prescribed and traditional motions of day-to-day life pretending to bhe good Muslims. The “good” Muslims, by Muhammed´s own definition, are tghe ones engaged in jihad and fighting the “enemies of Alaah”: the kafir and infidel. Having lived and worked in Pakistan and The Arabian Gulf as a civilian for several years, I have become good friends with Muslims and Muslimas who have admitted to me that they are ashamed and embarrassed being Muslim and part of an ummah they despise in their hearts. They find themselves between a rock and a hard place.

      • Don Foss says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 4:23 pm

        Oops. Should read, “…that the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and want to just get through life, but are born into a culture and a religion they cannot escape…”

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm

          To Don Foss – THANK YOU! Whew! I was still puzzling over that sentence when your correction sailed into my email inbox. Cheers! Quotha R

  34. EYESOPEN says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    “When it comes to death threats, you have to have the correct opinions to be protected.”

    Sad, but true.

  35. Deborah says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:08 am

    Tip for Malala: hire non-Muslim security — or least reject applicants with calluses on their foreheads from groveling to allah.

  36. Matthieu Baudin says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 8:54 am

    Ultimately, in the future, it will be unaffordable to provide anything like the level of security provided to this young women, to the scores of people who will upset the forces of the International Jihad. I’d be surprised if even the trendy gay rights and Islamic reformer Urshad Manji of Canada is provided adequate security protection even today. It will be easier and cheaper for the Slovakian protective services to manage the handful of religious/political dissidents in the years to come, than any western european nations, all of whom will have extended their resources beyond their capacity.

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