“Professor Abdalla told the inquest he had consulted ‘extensively’ with imams from around the country, and none could recall seeing Monis at a mosque. He said it was likely that Monis rarely attended prayers.” Such claims are quite difficult to verify, but it is doubtful that the Sydney siege inquest will even try. The problem with such claims is that they would have us believe that Muslims like Man Haron Monis, who declare themselves to be completely committed to Islam and resolute in observing it to the last detail, despite this devout observance of Islam hardly ever go to mosques. It strains credulity, but no one seems to notice or care.
“Man Haron Monis never seen at mosques, says Islam expert,” The Australian, August 25, 2015:
An Islamic studies expert has told the Sydney siege inquest that none of the imams he had spoken to had ever seen gunman Man Haron Monis at a mosque.
The inquest into the deadly December siege yesterday heard that many of the claims made by Monis and the terms he used to describe his standing in the Muslim community were probably false. Monis had claimed at various times to be many things: a sheik, an ayatollah and a hojjat al-Islam, an honorific that’s traditionally used to describe accomplished Islamic scholars. Associate professor Mohamad Abdalla, an Islamic studies expert from Griffith University in Queensland, has cast doubt on these claims.
Asked by counsel assisting the inquest, Jeremy Gormly SC, whether Professor Abdalla believed Monis had ever attained the status of hojjat al-Islam, the professor replied: “As a scholar myself in the tradition, I believe it is quite difficult for a person of that age and that experience to achieve hojjat al-Islam.”
Professor Abdalla also said the term sheik had been adopted “by lay people or even backyard imams”.
“But in the proper scholarship tradition, the title sheik is for one who has attained a very high scholarship rank — and would be old,” he said.
Professor Abdalla told the inquest he had consulted “extensively” with imams from around the country, and none could recall seeing Monis at a mosque. He said it was likely that Monis rarely attended prayers.
“One would have to assume so, because even nominal people who attend a mosque on a regular basis would become known to the mosque,” he said.
Professor Abdalla was also asked if it was probable that Monis converted to Sunni Islam only to associate himself with Islamic State.
“ISIS has not only committed atrocities against Shiites but against Sunnis also,” he said….
rev g says
Hard to tell, one backside looks like another during prostration to Satan, I would imagine.
px fragonard says
It’s possible, I suppose, that he adopted the jihadist identity after being caught dealing drugs several times. This seems to be a pattern with some part of the jihadi world. I don’t know how much of it.
Angemon says
Always the same story: “We never met him, he never went to this mosque, and if he did it was rarely”.
dumbledoresarmy says
Yep.
This particular routine is getting really boring.
mortimer says
The bigger the Islamic scholar, the bigger the TAQIYYA.
notaluvvie says
You summed it up correctly. We never saw him and we never lie therefore he had nothing to do with the religion of cutting people to pieces.
Champ says
Muslim professor tells inquest that Australian jihad murderer rarely went to mosque
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Oh, sure whatever …but nevermind about that, it’s obvious that he read the unholy quran and that he was a devout muslim in service to his god: allah aka satan.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
As for the photo above: Gotta love the squared off beard and the greasy moustache. Substantial and oily all at once. Wow.
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My speculation is that Monis wasn’t seen at any mosques cuz he had become a closet Christian. It is in the scriptures that Jesus during his few years of missionary work laid siege to a village, decapitated 600-800 men and young males, stole the land and all the property on it, and rode away on his horsies with hundreds of women and young girls taken as sex slaves. In other words, when Monis started reading the Bible, he was radicalized. In a nutshell, Monis took the wrong turn at the Y in the road. Poor choices has consequences.
mortimer says
Right. (sarc off)
You mean that there is no Golden Rule in Islam, but there is a Golden Rule in Judaism and Christianity.
Jihad is an intentional contradiction of the Golden Rule.
Diana says
Love APF! Actually laughed out loud …. of course you must be right!
I heard a rumour though that earlier on the morning of the Lindt Cafe seige, it had been visited by a rep from an alleged “halal certification service”. But allegedly the now deceased manager declined their kind offer to buy halal certification for that business! Can’t prove it of course – probably just another scandalous, malicious islamophobic smear campaign hey?
Angry Aussie says
The wife of the largest halal extortion group, I mean Halal Certification Scheme in Australia was there the morning of the siege and is reported to have left the cafe “moments before Monis entered”. Those of us opposed to an unjust Islamic tax all smell a rat. Apparently Leftists and government officials sense of smell is not as finely tuned.
Diana says
Hey Angry Aussie – fully agree with you re the unadvertised de facto “Halal tax” – but can you please advise us all about the alleged attendance that morning of the wife of the “Halal Certification scheme” promoter (or should that perhaps be the halal certification Scam given that all food is supposedly halal after a simple bismullah prayer by any of the faithful). If it is factual then it should be fully and openly reported. Any further details you can share please?
Steph says
The imams would say that, they have to,
it’s like applying for a job and claiming you don’t know anything ..
gerard says
Is it just me or are these imams always ugly beyond description?
R Cole says
It seems the only legitimate discussion that is allowed in the aftermath of one of these Islamic attacks – is to separate it from Islam.
It has become the pill – used to dull the effects of reality.
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Agreed the man was a known nutcase – his antics included chaining himself to the outside of the courthouse – but the Islamic noises he made were similar to the Ford Hood shooter – and in the end – he did the same.
Once they shout Allah Akbar – the immediate concern for everyone in the vicinity is survival.
Islamic proselytization offensive.
One guy shoots at westerners for not being Muslim – and if you survive that – there is another guy holding a Koran – promising to show you the proper Islam. It’s like herding!
It appears no one can object to either of these positions.
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This campaign of disinformation around Islam – puts people’s lives at risk.
To say we are being lulled into a false sense of security is an understatement.
Peter Maas says
Oh Yeah! He was just an innocent koran moron!
mortimer says
Professor Abdalla asks us to accept that 1) he is not using taqiyya and that 2) an ‘extensive’ number of mullahs in Australia didn’t use taqiyya. (Sure, sure.)
The most important matter here is for Professor Abdalla to DESCRIBE whether or not Man Haron Monis correctly understood the JIHAD DOCTRINE of warfare against disbelievers and to explain to the court EXACTLY how Man Haron Monis may have MISUNDERSTOOD jihad against disbelievers and provide exemplary REFERENCES to prove that Monis misunderstood his DUTY to kill disbelievers because they PAY TAXES that pay SOLDIERS who fight JIHADISTS.
The answer of Abdalla to the above questions would be worth hearing!
Whether Monis went to the mosque proves nothing and IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT and this taqiyya artist (Asst. Prof. Abdalla) KNOWS THAT PERFECTLY.
Abdalla knows that Islam teaches WARFARE AGAINST DISBELIEVERS.
mortimer says
When I see a Muslim in full getup smile I remember the words of Mohammed’s close companion Abu Darda: “We smile at certain people (disbelievers) while in our hearts WE DESPISE THEM.”
Prof. Abdalla shows the duplicitous smile of verbal jihad.
Papa Whiskey says
I was going to post something to that effect, but you beat me to it! Suffice it to say that this quote is from the tafsir (exegesis) of Ibn Kathir on Qur’an 3:28.
johnj says
The real problem is that Australian officials will believe this because they are totally ignorant of Islam. For a start a mosque does not have to be a building – like a church. It can be any where. They are everywhere in halls, flats, houses, even out on the street. So whereas he is saying the buildings with imams, Sheikh Haron ( Monis) could have had his own ‘mosque’ or attended any of the thousand mosques.
Once again, they are using Australian ignorance.
Saying he rarely attended prayers is a direct lie. There is zero way this fool would know. And a quick congratulations to the University for appointing this idiot as a professor.
Quite despairing.
Western Canadian says
Certain facial expressions and body language are innate: they are NOT dependent on culture. His facial expression is of barely concealed contempt, and screams arrogance.
He is lying through his teeth (assuming he has any…), and knows he will not be challenged.
Mark says
I believe Professor Abdalla is a lair… Only way to tell for sure is to video tape the mosques 24/7 but that will not work either because he will say that looks like me but it’s not……………………….
Angry Aussie says
Lies, lies and more lies! Monis was a “self proclaimed” cleric (as they all appear to be), with over 40 sex offences against him, and had been charged with sending abusive letters to families of military members who had died in Afghanistan. He was no nice person. He was also a spokesperson at Lakemba (look up Lakemba/Muslim riots Sydney, and you’ll get the idea) in September 2014 immediately after the Aust Federal Government introduced new anti terrorism legislation following the raids carried out across the eastern seaboard by over 900 heavily armed Federal and State Police. Monis was loud and proud and backed by the lot of them. There are photos that capture these special Islamic bonding sessions. Monis was also a guest of Hizb ut-Tahrir, who have drawn up a Sharia Law Draft Constitution for Australia for when they take over Australia. Monis should have had his genitals removed and minced prior to burial. He was a serial menace. His ex wife was murdered. Set alight in a stairwell. Monis was charged with being an accessory to her murder. His girlfriend is in jail after having her bail revoked after his death. Islam always gets allowances. Only a Muslim that is a serial sex pest with a string of charges would be allowed out on bail to commit more. Monis was a Shia who tried to become a Sunni. He was a Dhimmi for the Muslims. A useful idiot who was expendable. They followed him like sheep then dropped him like hot coals once the siege was over. Then it became farcical with the whole #Illridewithyou pushed by the Leftists because they feared Muslims would become victims. What the? Absolutely no consideration to the victims and families of the real victims of the siege. The people in the cafe, their families, law enforcement and paramedics all no doubt have PTSD for life, and Leftists are worried about the possibility that a Muslim somewhere un Australia may be offended because someone may possibly mention that one of their own planned and committed an unforgivable act of intentional slaughter of innocents. RIP Cory and Katrina. Rot in Hell forever Monis, you evil bastard! My hope is if there is a next time, that the hostage taker’s head will be blown off at the start if the siege and not the end.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… with over 40 sex offences against him…
To invoke ex-Prez Bill Clinton, define “offences.” Bill, a regular flier on the Lolita Express, understands the vagaries of sex and offense, but he means no offense, he just wants to poke 12 yr old girls is all. The reason Monis was on the loose after more than three dozen sexcapade crimes is that the Oz authorities saw value in the man, multicultural diversity value. They needed him running around down there to do his thing, literally.
Rob says
This is like saying a fellow Muslim had ebola and infected two people fatally but hey he didn’t catch the disease here.
OK so point chapter and verse to the sermons when you preached the value of life and the need to act accordingly so that view permeated your community to ensure the safety of all.
Mass de-migration of Muslims is the only thing left.
The Left will howl of course but my rejoinder:
‘Do we have to continue the multiculturalist experiment until we are all wiped out?’
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
‘Do we have to continue the multiculturalist experiment until we are all wiped out?’
Yes. That is the plan.
Jenny H says
Multiculturalism has done a lot for Australia. Previous waves of immigrants have done a lot for Australia. Those immigrants have generally been good and loyal citizens. Islam is different. Devout muslims’ loyalties are to Islam and not to the country to which they’ve moved, and which has been so generous and offered them a chance for real freedom.
They want to change Australia to be like the place from which they came, i.e. impose sharia etc.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Oz brought in a ton of Lebanese Christians who were honest-to-God legit refugees, and they worked out fine, added to the mix. So, then the great nation brought in a ton of Lebanese Moslem “refugees” and there was Cronulla.
Rob says
Nothing wrong with a multi-ethnic society.
Multiculturalism and its close cousin cultural relativism are poison.
Truth Seeker says
Stealth Jihadis who indirectly support Terror Jihad may fabricate many things Defending the Jihadi, as if he is Innocent and Ignorant..
Infidave says
I wish we could monitor all mosques, profile all muslims so this stops happening. Jihadi jake was another who was never seen at a mosque.
Surely the appeasing idiot asking the questions could of found enough evidence before the inquest to prove monis was one of islams favourite sons. They allowed him to speak to a packed prayer hall about the difference between a good muslim and a bad muslim.
And suggesting “it was probable that Monis converted to Sunni Islam only to associate himself with islamic state” implies he was acting on behalf of isis and not islam because as we all know isis has nothing at all to do with islam.