As if this deal would prevent that. And would the rockets come from Iran or the U.S.?
Seriously, this posturing about being pro-Israel after agreeing to a deal that severely compromises Israel’s security is obscene.
“Obama tells US Jews: Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress kills Iran nuclear deal,” by Michael Wilner and Herb Keinon, Jerusalem Post, August 5, 2015 (thanks to Blazing Cat Fur):
WASHINGTON — Rockets would fall on Tel Aviv and Israel would “bear the burden” of a US military attack on Iran that would result from a scuttling of the Iran nuclear deal, US President Barack Obama told a delegation of Jewish leaders at the White House on Tuesday.
The meeting, held in the Cabinet Room for over two hours, featured a passionate president intent on winning over skeptics of the signature agreement. The nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, is intended to cap, restrict, monitor and partially roll back Iran’s nuclear work for a fifteen year period in exchange for sanctions relief.
According to Greg Rosenbaum, the chairman of the National Jewish Democratic Council and one of nearly two dozen heads of Jewish organizations in the meeting, when one of the participants took umbrage with Obama’s characterization of those who are opposed to the deal as warmongers, Obama launched into an explanation of why he believed that the rejection of the deal would ultimately lead to a US military attack. Obama said that if Congress rejected the deal, the Iranians would walk away from negotiations, and he would be under intense pressure to take military action.
This, Rosenbaum quoted Obama as saying, would be disastrous for Israel and the US.
Iran, with its annual $15 billion military budget, would not go to war with the US, with a defense budget of nearly $600 billion a year, but would fight an “asymmetrical” war, the president said.
Another participant in the meeting, Robert Wexler, president of the S. Daniel Abraham Center for Middle East Peace, confirmed the conversation. Obama noted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s support for the invasion of Iraq, as well as his skepticism over the JPOA, an interim nuclear accord that was in place during the negotiations, he said.
“He approached it in a lawyerly fashion,” Wexler said, who thought some minds may have been changed during the meeting.
But yet a third participant disagreed. Few skeptics were converted, he said, noting that nearly half of the meeting focused on the president’s tone in describing critics of the agreement.
“He acknowledged how people in Israel and people who love Israel are deeply concerned and skeptical. He wasn’t dismissive of that,” the third source said, who requested anonymity to express frankness.
Several figures in the room questioned Obama’s equating skeptics of the deal as “neocons” responsible for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. “He said he would be sensitive and careful about this,” the source said. “But recognizing that it makes folks uncomfortable, he basically said he really does believe that a rejection of the agreement would lead to war.”
Rosenbaum, who supports the deal, said that Obama mentioned the possibility of suicide speed boats ramming into a US aircraft carrier, but that Israel would “bear the brunt of the burden” and rockets would fall on Tel Aviv.
Referring to AIPAC plans to spend some $20 million in a public campaign against the deal, Obama said that it was that organization’s right to lobby Congress, but the arguments must be made on the merits of the case, and should not be personal, including attacks on other Jews who supported the deal.
If the attacks turn personal, he cautioned, then it would weaken the American Jewish community and as a result the strength of the US-Israel relationship. Rosenbaum said that he himself spoke at the meeting about how his organization, which supports the accord, received extremely hateful messages from other Jews opposed to the deal.
Obama, according to Rosenbaum, bewailed that AIPAC brought some 600 people to Washington last friday to lobby Congress against the accord, but were willing to give White House officials only some 30 minutes to meet with the group. Then, the president said, the lobbyists gave fact sheets to the congressmen that he said were factually incorrect.
The result, Obama complained, was that he then had to spend 45 minutes with each congressman disputing AIPAC’s claims.
Obama, who was accompanied by Vice President Joe Biden as well as key advisors such as Ben Rhodes, met with the group for more than two hours and, according to Rosenbaum, spoke at the outset for 20 minutes, going through the history of the deal.
Obama said that when he came into office he came in with three guiding principles on the Mideast: that Iran not achieve a nuclear bomb, that the “unbreakable”bond [sic] with Israel be made even stronger, and that the US achieve its foreign policy objectives through diplomacy, not military action….
And he has failed abysmally at all three.
Timothius says
Sure, I believe Obama. His record speaks for itself. Here we have a POTUS who is a pathological liar, whose best parts dripped down his momma’s leg at conception, who fails to meet the low standards that he sets for himself, telling us what’s gonna happen. Gimme a break! If rockets fall on Israel then Obama should be arrested for his part on that terrorism, taken out back and hung! I would not trust Obama with a dead body. No telling what he’d do with it!
Rev. Albert W. Kovacs, UCC says
If rockets are launched toward Israel, the American response should be to send ours onto Iran before theirs hit the ground. That’s what allies and friendship are all about. … If Hitler believed England would go to war the day he attacked Poland there would not have been a WW2, Holocaust, Satellite Nations, Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis. … Chamberlain was a wimp and so is Obama! … Bullies understand one thing – force stronger than their own. … “Once to every man and nation comes a moment to decide ….) This is no time to let bullies kick up the sand of the seashore in our face – but to beat the HELL out of the Devil’s lackeys. Lady Liberty deserves no less.
spot on says
Remember that Obama said with Obamacare “if you like your doctor, you can keep him”. He is lying about Iran and wants Israel wiped out.
Susan Zais says
Obama, man up. Stop being a bully. Stand with Israel. Kill the deal congress!
jihad3tracker says
TWO SENATORS — ONE FROM EACH PARTY ! ! ! — WITH A CLEAR GRASP OF THIS INSANITY WITH IRAN:
Sen. Thune (South Dakota) and Sen. Nelson (Florida). I don’t have links to their remarks, but you can find them with a search.
Tell them thanks — ESPECIALLY DEMOCRAT NELSON . ., . WE NEED DEM COOPERATION TO KILL THIS DEAL WITH AN “IMPOSSSIBLE TO VETO BY OBAMA” VOTING MAJORITY.
jihad3tracker says
CORRECTION — Hold off on the Dem senator . . .
I thought he appeared on the PBS Newshour, with Sen. Thune, and the last name of the Dem was definitely “Nelson” but I cannot find a link to his negative remarks..
However, John Thune IS DEFINITELY OPPOSED.
jihad3tracker says
CORRECTION — I cannot find a quote of remarks from the Dem senator, so HOLD OFF off on any praise for him. But Sen. Thune was definitely quite articulate, being negative.
Marco says
Meanwhile back in the real world Iran points weapons at US ships and helicopters.
RonaldB says
The president sounds reasonable, but his arguments are then subject to reasoned rebuttals.
Iran has agreed to limited inspections, which allow it to be very close to a functioning nuclear bomb. And Iran has agreed to hold off on producing a bomb. Against this, the crippling sanctions against Iran have been lifted.
Obama presents the two choices as 1) sign the deal or 2) go to war.
What about the option of sticking to insisting on ironclad guarantees, including the right to instant inspections anywhere including military facilities, or a continuation of the boycott? Right now, Iran is not producing a nuclear weapon because Israel has signaled that if Iran goes beyond a certain line, Israel will attack. That sounds like a plan. The problem is, if a leaky guarantee is signed, then Iran has a legal basis to obfuscate any further development of nuclear capability.
Nobody wants to kill Iranians. But, when the highest level of Iranian leadership talks about the destruction of Israel and the US, it doesn’t make any sense to cut them slack.
shosh7154 says
Obama: Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress kills Iran nuke deal: And Mr. Obama just might make that happen himself
Joseph says
And at Auschwitz they told the Jews that they were going to take a “shower”.
We may see the hand of GOD protecting Israel sooner than we think.
Don McKellar says
So basically Obama is threatening Israel via a delegation of Jewish leaders. How very moslem of him…
concerned canadian says
So he feel threatened ??
What a wimp !!
Then nuke the crap out of iran then
They had an 8 year war with Iraq
How long did it take for Iraq to fall by USA …..a week ?
EVEN if hes nice to these idiot they wont behave.
SO let them all in our good countries and watch them be destroyed.
What a twit.
Not just him.
The world is under hypnosis.
ISLAM IS A CURSE
The problem is we wuss out
ICH says
“Obama mentioned the possibility of suicide speed boats ramming into a US aircraft carrier, but that Israel would “bear the brunt of the burden” and rockets would fall on Tel Aviv. ……”
REALLY ?
Tugboats taking down the Navy ?!!!
WTF IDIOT !
Then have a 5 mile radius no go zone.
Kind of like the destroyed cities that Brits or France or Swedes etc etc etc
cant walk down because they will be killed.
OOOPS
sorry to cloud the issue with facts.
What would Jon Stewart think !!!
Aghast !!
Angemon says
Regular rockets vs. nuclear weapons. Hmmm, though choice, right? Is he really saying that they need to cave in to bullies? Really? What a joke…
Andy says
Rockets fall on Israel daily. Funded and supported by Iran.
Cecilia Ellis says
You beat me to it, Andy.
pongidae rex says
The world is heading for a convulsion involving Islam on the scope of a WWII involving Nazi Germany and Japan. Instead of nation states, this time it is a widespread, popular, fascist ideology masquerading as a religion that is becoming the defacto government of failed states all over the world. It is understandable that Western politicians seek to avoid the approaching catastrophe via magical thinking and appeasement. The problem is, the approaching disaster is no longer avoidable. Muslim ‘refugees’ pouring into the west are the future 5th column in what is approaching. The options are conflict, or surrender and the extinguishing of Western Civilization. Our leaders seem to actually prefer the latter.
ruthyk says
Some FACTS Obama omitted. A 2 minute read on reality since 2006. Iran is already doing that!
http://www.debka.com/article/24786/News-flash-for-Obama-With-or-without-a-nuclear-deal-Hizballah%E2%80%99s-Iranian-missiles-threaten-Tel-Aviv
This will add a nuke instead of a grenade to a soldiers backpack. They’ll do it anyway, deal or no deal! But the deal will help them do it internationally. They are developing unabated as we speak and if they get what they want they break the deal, and if they don’t get what they want they … can you see the Cheshire smile on Iran’s face?
Manuel Paleologus says
I am surprised who is still paying attention to this president who lies daily.
The Iran treaty is not for peace but to enable Iran and others to posses the nuclear weapon which will create a chaotic international window.
This treaty is anti-American and must be voted down at all cost.
Wellington says
The fact that Obama presents this matter as either accept the deal or it’s war is itself so deceitful that this alone should call into question all other claims, though many other claims can be refuted independently of this deceitful either/or put forward by Obama. This deal should be nixed and economic strangulation of Iran should be increased with warnings given through a third party (e.g. the Swiss) that any attack by Iran on Israel would be responded to as though the attack was made on the US. It’s difficult not to conclude that Obama oozes weakness which he foolishly interprets as statesmanship. The man is wretched. Truly abysmal. He’s either a fool or a traitor and respecting the matter at hand the distinction is irrelevant.
gravenimage says
Wellington wrote:
The fact that Obama presents this matter as either accept the deal or it’s war is itself so deceitful that this alone should call into question all other claims
……………………….
Absolutely, Wellington. Obama had never once talked about going to war with Iran if they developed nukes. This is utterly disingenuous.
He *has*, however, threatened to shoot down allied Israeli jets if they dare defend themselves against Iranian threats.
So far, the slate of candidates for president doesn’t appear to be all that impressive—nonetheless, 2016 can’t come soon enough for me. The likelihood of *any* American president acting so completely counter to our own interests and those of our allies seems profoundly unlikely.
Rev. Albert W. Kovacs, UCC says
Scott Walker took on the Dem’s who dragged in national teachers’ and trade union money, with elitist liberals as well, and refused to add more taxes
– and BEAT THEM! … Now there’s a man who has guts enough to refuse to fold when the liberal press aligned against him and said he had no chance – and BEAT THEM! … Wisconsin people across the board re-elected him, which shows the average American has a man who understands where they are coming from. … Here’s a PROVEN WINNER – SCOTT WALKER!!!
Linde Barrera says
To Rev. Albert Kovacs, UCC- Good afternoon. As per your 3:38 pm Aug 5, post: Scott Walker will do anything the Koch brothers ask of him, as they are bank rolling him. This is fact. If Walker gets elected, the Koch bros. want to privatize Medicare so they will get their “cut”. This is speculation. I attend a UCC church in Queens, NYC. Kind regards.
Rev. Albert W. Kovacs, UCC says
Hear you, Linda. If George Socialist Soros can support all the liberals, one Wall Street liberal elitist another, of course GOP-ers will seek conservative big-$$$ (Koch). … I still think he’s got the head, attitude, accomplishments and backbone to tackle the primary, ol’ Hillary, and do the job as POTUS. I also think Rubio has the credentials to be his VP, Chris Christie or John Thune – good decent leaders. … I’m from NJ, served Congregational Church and PA Deutsch many years – 85 and still pastoring Johnstown.
Cecilia Ellis says
Wellington wrote: “He’s either a fool or a traitor.”
Both.
Ivan Bogdanov says
You may want to consider his drug-fuelled dyspeptic childhood, youth and young adulthood in your analysis. There is no evidence that he dispensed with the personality enhancers since his usurpation of the Presidency of the United States of America.
This evil creep needs to meet Mother Justice.
mortimer says
The only way to resolve differences with Iran would be to use the military option. There would likely be a massive mutiny if Iran went to war.
Few in Iran support the mullahs.
gravenimage says
Mortimer, I always hear that Iranians are almost all secular apostates and that there is virtually no support for the Mullahs—and yet, Iran still functions as a brutal Shari’ah state, with regular mass public cries of “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”.
I remember hearing the idea in the 1980s that Iranians would never follow the Mullahs to war—yet well over a half million Iranians died in battle in the Iran-Iraq War, and many more maimed.
I’m not sure we could count on an Iranian popular revolt if they were called upon to attack the “Great Satan”.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“I remember hearing the idea in the 1980s that Iranians would never follow the Mullahs to war—yet well over a half million Iranians died in battle in the Iran-Iraq War, and many more maimed.”
In all fairness, Iraq opened the hostilities and invaded them.
gravenimage says
Absolutely, this is true, Angemon. But I remember hearing pundits at the time opining that this would be the end of the Mullahs, because the average Iranian would never follow them on a war footing.
The main point I was making was that I don’t believe that the average Iranian Muslim would mutiny if the Mullahs asked them to formally go to war with the United States, any more than they did over the Iraqis.
Many Iranians *do* privately grumble over the Mullahs’ strictures–but this is very different from actually opposing their policies, and it is even further from supposing that most Iranian Muslims actually embrace Western-style freedoms and democracy.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“The main point I was making was that I don’t believe that the average Iranian Muslim would mutiny if the Mullahs asked them to formally go to war with the United States, any more than they did over the Iraqis.”
Neither do I, but that’s unrelated to the Iran-Iraq war – I simply look at what their leaders say and the reactions they get.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The nation has officially let loose of reality. Fictive reality, as I like to call it. We’ve severed all ties with the real stuff, and oh it is not a coincidence that this moment came upon us to deny the reality that Moslems are really real. It’s an ugly truth of life on this earth, but there are really Moslems, and that is a really really big problem for all of us. Prez Barack Hussein never shuts up, he’s not a very bright guy, but even being a dumbass he is conceited. Forget you, Barack, the Moslems love your game, but they don’t need you. Shut the hell up and go away. You are one sickening human being, and are perfect in a photo op with John and Hillary. The doo doo piles deep, and you are atop that heaving stinking heap.
cs says
Even the name of this “Christian” POTUS, screams Muslimism. Barack Hussein Obama, it is actually so in your face, that one is left to wonder, why no one talks about that?
somehistory says
Ezekiel (chapters) 37-39. A description of what is going to happen and the first nation named going up with Gog against Israel is… Persia. (Iran).
This is the war of Armageddon.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
The troubling thing about the Jewish prophets is that they have a way of being right. Jesus may be the best person to ever live, but Abraham is the most important. He was the start. Will there be a personal name attached to the end? Or, better asked, does it even matter?
What did the Holy Prophet Mohammed prophesy? Nothing. He came up with the one where the world was gonna end at about 1,015, AD, with the emphasis on the letter “D”. Didn’t turn out, but Moslems never quite working at their craft.
somehistory says
I recall being a young person reading prophesy from Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and others less well known and then reading history and putting them all together. The archeology is fascinating.
I recall esp the prophesy about the ancient city of Tyre, what was foretold to happen and what did happen. Impressive how exact the prophecies fit.
Jesus prophesied and we have seen those coming true too.
My late father inhaled history and I guess I learned my love of it from him. So much of it was foretold to happen. Christ said the reader needs to be discerning.And he, of course, is right.
cs says
Ezekiel is a specially important Prophet, for a few reasons, one of them, is that it is told the Maase Merkabah, from the study of his book a good part of the Kabbalah was developed. Other reason is that the encounter of Ezekiel was one of the most realistic encounters, a lot of people speculate about that. Enoch and Eliahu are also very special on this respect. It does give a lot of food for thought.
ICH says
Theres a huge wackload of liberals in America,
They puss out instantly.
They love Obama.
Am I wrong or is there a silent majority who do not want this deal ?
Because once he is out and the damage is done , they wont remember.
This Canadian loves USA.
I hope you dont cave !!!
Stephanie says
Traitor & Chancellor merkel, “ISSlam belongs to Germany, UNDOUBTELY!”
So much for the words of traitors.
Westman says
Israel being bombed by conventional inaccurate, unreliable, Russian and Iranian made rockets now, or, bombed by a nation-ending Nuclear Bomb later – this is a difficult choice?
Lets hope that the US or/and Israel eventually take out the nuclear facilities of Fordow, Natanz, and also flatten the nearby Mosques and Seminaries of Qom where the terrorist clerics are created.
New POTUS is coming, effective Jan 2017.
Neil Jennison says
Obama is a retard!
kinley says
The Iranians’ version of the terms of this “deal” differs markedly from what the US State Department says of this deal. Several documents concerning this “deal” are not available to the US public, AND the CONGRESS. Only the administration and the Iranians are allowed to know the details. A thought: maybe the deal is exactly as the Iranians claim, and the unavailable documents document this.
gravenimage says
Obama: Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress kills Iran nuke deal
…………………………….
For just a split second, I thought this was *Iran* threatening Israel—but no, it is our own president.
And note what he is saying here—that he is willing to “partner” with a polity that would attack one of our greatest allies if our own Congress vetoes this “peace deal”. For any sane person, this would *hardly* be the basis for any sort of partnership.
More:
As if this deal would prevent that. And would the rockets come from Iran or the U.S.?
…………………………….
Good question, since Obama threatened to shoot down Israeli jets if they responded to Iran’s threats.
More:
Seriously, this posturing about being pro-Israel after agreeing to a deal that severely compromises Israel’s security is obscene.
…………………………….
Yes, it is.
More:
The meeting, held in the Cabinet Room for over two hours, featured a passionate president intent on winning over skeptics of the signature agreement. The nuclear deal, formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, is intended to cap, restrict, monitor and partially roll back Iran’s nuclear work for a fifteen year period in exchange for sanctions relief.
…………………………….
Actually, before this he was saying the deal (supposedly) staved off the creation of an Iranian nuke for ten years. The deal hasn’t gotten any better. I think this just shows that Obama is pulling these figures out of his *ss.
And that’s if Iran stuck to the deal. But before it has even been signed, they are claiming that they will not allow American or British inspectors, nor will it allow any inspectors at military sites. In other words, the fox will be providing its own “oversight” at the henhouse.
More:
According to Greg Rosenbaum, the chairman of the National Jewish Democratic Council and one of nearly two dozen heads of Jewish organizations in the meeting, when one of the participants took umbrage with Obama’s characterization of those who are opposed to the deal as warmongers…
…………………………….
This very much reminds me of the situation regarding those who warned about the rise of the Fascist war machine—those who pointed out how aggressive Nazi Germany was were characterized as “warmongers”. Talk about projection!
More:
…Obama launched into an explanation of why he believed that the rejection of the deal would ultimately lead to a US military attack.
…………………………….
Why? Obama has always rejected the idea of attacking Iran under any circumstances. This is completely disingenuous.
More:
If the attacks turn personal, he cautioned, then it would weaken the American Jewish community and as a result the strength of the US-Israel relationship.
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Actually, the only one who has weakened that relationship has been the president himself…
Note what he is saying—if Israel and American Jews don’t support this suicidal “peace deal” with a country that has repeatedly vowed to wipe them off the map, then Obama will turn against them further.
Linde Barrera says
To gravenimage- Good afternoon. I agree with your assessment about President Obama and the Iran nuke deal, in your post of Aug 5, 4:21 pm. Our American president sounds like a “gangsta” from Sicily (a la “The Godfather”) who offered protection to both neighbors by pitting them against each other. What a disreputable disgrace.
somehistory says
He and kerry are saying anything and everything just to stop the alarm bells. He has been against Israel from the get-go.
And if it turns “personal”…they should have asked for a clarification, but it wouldn’t have done any good. It’s rare that he tells the truth and any explanation couldn’t be trusted.
He already said if the winds blow in a bad direction…or some such language…he would stand with the muslims. He is proving that he stands with iran and won’t shed one tear if Israel has to fight to stay alive.
And Israel will have to fight.
cs says
Notice that he is getting bolder (more impertinent) by the day, and revealing his true colors, I wonder when he will fully dress as Mohammed, Count Drakula or Satan one of this days. Let’s wait for Halloween and watch out for this one.
cs says
These*
Martin Vink says
Therefore, in Obama’s own words, he had a choice between war and dishonor. He choose dishonor and now we will have war. In Obama’s mind extortion by a Muslim like the Ayatollah or Obama is a legitimate way to make Christians pay the 150 billion dollar jizya to show Iran some respect for now. Let’s do it again in ten years time!
Sam says
I can not believe this guy Obama. Well I believe him but I can not believe we have become a nation so lazy and complacent that we allow a traitor of USA become a president and have the guts to talk like that. A real lover of freedom would say: “Mullahs of Iran, if you ever allow a demonstration where your scum bag ass lickers shout “death to America, Israel” you will be taken to your 12th IMAM.
This Obama instead is kissing the ass of Evil. UNBELIABLE.
Judi says
“Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv’. That is what this worthless POS is hoping for. This is what he has been planning since his inauguration.
Champ says
“Obama tells US Jews: Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress kills Iran nuclear deal,”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHAT?! Iran has been threatening to wipe Israel off of the map for YEARS now. So what obama should be telling US Jews — and the world — is the TRUTH: that this deal with Iran will help expedite their evil plans. The TRUTH is obvious, but of course obama will never admit to it.
Cecilia Ellis says
Champ, as you well know, Obama will never admit that the effort that he initiated – the negotiations that ensure a nuclear-capable Iran – threatens Israel’s existence. The U. S. Jews did not buy his condescending platitudes, and I suspect that Netanyahu was as infuriated and insulted as are we all. I interpret Obama’s remark, “Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress kills Iran nuclear deal,” to be a blatant threat to both Congress and Israel. He will not stand for anyone to criticize or to argue against his foreign or domestic policies, and he certainly will not allow any Israeli military action or sabotage to extinguish this existential threat. For Obama to dismiss as rhetoric “emanating from some parts of Iran” – those relentless Islamic chants of “Death to America, Death to Israel” – is just an outright lie. The Iranian leaders are the ones who are directing and leading those chants. Congress should say back to Obama, “American bombs will drop on Tehran if one rocket is fired on Tel Aviv and we have the votes to override your anticipated, self-serving veto.” Israel, on the other hand, need say nothing. It is their country, despite Obama’s god-like assumption that he owns everything. Let Israel do what it must do.
Champ says
Brava, Cecilia! I wholly agree!
fido says
Just when I think I couldn’t despise the muslim-in-chief any more he says/does something that proves me wrong!! NEVER DEAL WITH A TERRORIST STATE! We should simply give them an ultimatum: STOP your nuke program and your support for terrorists immediately or pay the consequences. PERIOD. If they strut and bluster their arrogant resistance simply destroy every military site in the country completely. God, I am so SICK of this imcompetent, dangerous, arrogant, evil administration continuing to destroy the foundation of this nation! EVERYTHING THESE EVIL PEOPLE DO IS SO INCREDIBLY DAMAGING TO THIS NATION AND NATIONAL SECURITY!! Having our own evil administration negotiating with an even more evil, bastard, terrorist nation is a recipe for disaster!
EYESOPEN says
Well spoken “fido”. I am resisting the temptation to say: “Now SIT!” {;o)
Bezelel says
Agreed, Ultimatum being the key word.
Nilen says
The USA has been dealing with the terrorist states of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for decades. This is par for the course for them. Now it is trying to get into bed with a state that is innocent in comparison to the other two. You people have already slept with the two Sunni sluts. This is just a promiscuous Shia housewife.
gravenimage says
Nilen wrote:
The USA has been dealing with the terrorist states of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for decades. This is par for the course for them. Now it is trying to get into bed with a state that is innocent in comparison to the other two. You people have already slept with the two Sunni sluts. This is just a promiscuous Shia housewife.
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The idea that Iran, which is screaming “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”, and funding Hizb’allah’s genocidal Jihad against the Jewish state is “innocent” is profoundly questionable.
As for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, the idea that since the West has been suicidally foolish in considering Sunni terror states to be “allies” that we should hence do the same thing with a Shia terror state in order to be even handed is something only a Muslim supremacist would flog. *Ugh*.
Wellington says
Agreed, gravenimage.
Angemon says
Nilen posted:
“Now it is trying to get into bed with a state that is innocent in comparison to the other two.”
Huh, you’re kidding, right? Iran is a sponsor of terrorism and has vowed to wipe Israel off the map. They’re anything but innocent, whether by comparison or not, and they should not be allowed to get their hands on nuclear weapons.
Wellington says
Ditto, Angremon. Nilen is definitely some kind of fool, only the kind of fool being up for debate.
Anne Tyler says
YES, ditto for me, it is mind-blowing that there are people still out there who insist Obama’s the best there is. The best TRAITOR maybe, he is evil, every single solitary policy of his is destructive. His supporters are either trolls/shills or BRAIN-DEAD.
ItsJo says
It sounds as if Obama is “Blackmailing Americans AND Congress by Threatening WHAT Iran WILL DO.”
He sounds like Iran’s “Cheerleader, who is IN THEIR CORNER-EVEN, as they chant: “Death to America”
Apparently, his “co-president, Iranian-born, Valerie Jarrett IS working to attain Iran’s Goals-NOT OURS’-
Obama’s speech before the university was SO CONTRAIDICTORY, as he was saying one thing of WHY Iran’s DEAL HAS TO BE DONE(secret side deals and all) THEN, he states it “Could be a dangerous thing for their Neighbors, Israel and even America.
What else does this FRAUD who sits in our Whitehouse have to do AGAINST AMERICA, FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND BRING CHARGES AGAINST HIM FOR “AIDING AND ABETTING OUR ENEMY-IRAN, AS THEY CHANT: “DEATH TO AMERICA”
It appears he DOES HATE AMERICA, IT’S FOUNDING FATHERS AND OUR CONSTITUTION-
Roy C says
ItsJo – Very interesting that you mention Ms. Jarrett and the considerable influence she has with this president. Obama insiders have said that she is first among equals in his inner circle and given her position she is shielded from any scrutiny either from the press or public. I’ve long suspected that she is the puppet master pulling the string for Iran. Of course none of this absolves Obama in any way. His sympathies clearly lie with Iran to begin with and his hatred for Israel is by now a matter of public record, at least for those of us with open eyes and a rational mind.
Roy C says
As Charles Krauthammer pointed out yesterday on the Kelly file this speech represents a new low for this despicable man – most of us thought the bar was pretty much on the floor as is but he never fails to disappoint on the Iran issue. The real question for us here is does he actually believe this nonsense or not. For all of you out there this is either a yes or no. If yes then he is both profoundly stupid as well as delusional. I don’t believe this for one second but many do. If no then there is something truly sinister happening here. Which answer terrifies you the most?
D.C. Watson says
Rockets will fall on Tel Aviv if Congress doesn’t kill Iran nuke deal, Fixed it,
Godwin says
Let the rockets come, Oobaamaa, the stealth jihadis. Who is firing the rockets, Iran or USA ? He is the most stupid president to issue this empty threat. Iran, or USA will not fire any rocket for fear of nuclear retaliation. Hezobollah ? It will be chopped up like vegetable, just like Hamas. Wahahahaha!
Karen says
Blaming the probable victim; submit or face certain doom and condemnation. Great choice Israel is being given.
Agent of Liberty says
Why does Obama want this deal? His fantasy of being a man who changed the world. His allegiance is not to the U.S. it’s to the United Nations and it’s 59 Islamic countries.
Anne Tyler says
The Grinch that stole Christmas has nothing on Obama who loves and admires and worships his own swelled head, other than that he is the ultimate in hate spreading it about him wherever he goes. If there was ever someone deserving of impeachment AND IMPRISONMENT OR THE GALLOWS its this fraud in the White House and fraud is a gentler name than the one I’d like to use.
Uncle Vladdi says
Re: “Why does Obama want this deal?”
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE REMEMBERED AS THE MAN WHO SAVED THE WORLD FROM AMERICA.
David says
We Baha’is have been persecuted for over 170 years now. We are Iran’s largest religious minority. One must study what they have done to us over that period to fully understand their state of mind and attitude.
We Baha’is have waited and hoped and prayed for over one and a half centuries to be released from our oppression yet find none to come to our aid except in words.
We don’t want war but things like financial sanctions should not be taken off the table unless Iran not only changes its nuclear position but grants full rights to its own citizens and Baha’is who have never opposed those in charge but patiently bore our suffering waiting that one day they will see us as well wishers who represent no threat to anyone.
Any nuclear deal with Iran, to test their sincerity, should include freeing all Baha’is and others innocently persecuted from prisons and fully restoring our rights to work, to study at universities and to freely practise our Faith without discrimination.
Mervyco says
David, I have read of what has happened to Baha’is in Iran and these disgusting people will not stop until only Islam is practiced there.
Freedom of Religion and Expression is being subjugated to short term politics and I doubt if help will ever come your way, as your Faith does not carry the clout with the US Admin to make it take notice. Prayer may be yopur only solice
Cecilia Ellis says
David, I just read your post and I agree with you that negotiations should include provisions for freeing Baha’is from Iranian prisons, as well as all other minorities persecuted and imprisoned for being non-Muslim. However, President Obama would not even include the release of four American citizens in those negotiations. Indeed, as I recall, it was not mentioned at all because he “did not want to give Iran any leverage.”
Translated, that means: “I do not care about Christians being persecuted in Iran; I do not care that American citizens have been imprisoned wrongfully and tortured for years; and I trust that John Kerry — whose son-in-laws’ best man was the son of the Iranian counterpart (Zarif) with whom Kerry negotiated — knows more about Iran than anyone but me. Remember, it’s all about me and with these negotiations, I will kill two birds with one stone: First, I will secure an unmatched legacy, which will probably include another Nobel Peace Prize for me, and second, I will ensure that Israel is destroyed.”
Angemon says
David posted:
“We Baha’is have been persecuted for over 170 years now. We are Iran’s largest religious minority. One must study what they have done to us over that period to fully understand their state of mind and attitude.”
That never stopped you from coming here and defending and carrying water for the ideology that drives your tormentors to torment you…
gravenimage says
All too true, Angemon.
Uncle Vladdi says
Your faith is a false mix of islam and other stuff – your Bahai ULLAH = still “allah.”
You are deluded – why do you want to live and work amongst criminal scum like muslims who have been taught from birth that their god (which you pretend is your god, too) wants them to extort, enslave, and murder all of you for not being muslims?!
gravenimage says
David wrote:
We Baha’is have been persecuted for over 170 years now. We are Iran’s largest religious minority. One must study what they have done to us over that period to fully understand their state of mind and attitude.
We Baha’is have waited and hoped and prayed for over one and a half centuries to be released from our oppression yet find none to come to our aid except in words.
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David is quite right that this godforsaken deal–if entered into at all–should have demanded safeguards for Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Baha’i. Of course, the Mullahs never would have agreed to such safeguards. Oppressing Infidels is orthodox Islam.
But his claim that no one has ever done anything for Baha’is is quite false. Baha’i can worship quite freely in the West.
But that has not stopped Baha’i like David from whitewashing Islam and advocating its supremacy and spread, I’m afraid. Baha’i consider the baleful warlord Muhammed to be a great prophet. And why not? Baha’i grew out of Islam.
More:
We don’t want war but things like financial sanctions should not be taken off the table unless Iran not only changes its nuclear position but grants full rights to its own citizens and Baha’is who have never opposed those in charge but patiently bore our suffering waiting that one day they will see us as well wishers who represent no threat to anyone.
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Of course not. That Baha’i are well-wishers of the sanguinary Mullahs is one of the problems.
The Baha’i faith, despite having been developed in Iran, has its headquarters in civilized Israel. This has, alas, not stopped most Baha’i from supporting the very state that seeks to wipe Israel off the map.
More:
Any nuclear deal with Iran, to test their sincerity, should include freeing all Baha’is and others innocently persecuted from prisons and fully restoring our rights to work, to study at universities and to freely practise our Faith without discrimination
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David wants those who are regarded as the “filthy Kuffar” to come to the aid of Baha’i, despite their own support of sanguinary Islam.
Baha’i itself does not espouse violent Jihad, and for this I respect them–but they do enable the very creed that oppresses them and threatens us, making them a very equivocal element at best.
Mervyco says
I have just finished reading a joint biography of Nixon and Kissenger. The Israel Lobby were “Jew Boy” trouble makers to that Administration, and I suspect, should tape recordings ever become public, that sentiment has not altered.
What, it seems to me, the Administration cannot connect with is the fact that Power Politics to them, can mean death to Israelis. Kissinger, the de facto President at the time, did not rush arms to Israel until defeat was staring them in the face in the Yom Kippur War, in the hope of getting a Peace Settlement that involved withdrawal to the 1967 Border. I suspect Hussain Obama has the same mind set. And as he wants to open trade with Iran he is prepared to ignore all their continued Anti-Western/Jewish rhetoric to get a settlement that will be the feather in the cap of his Presidency: until the Iranians show their true colours and it is too late!!
Joseph says
Everyone should remember this deal for it is one VERY large step in the direction of the destruction of America because we are abandoning Israel and the Jews. The seeds of our destruction are being sown by our so called leaders.
Whoever blesses the Jews shall be rewarded and whoever curses the Jews shall also be cursed
Zechariah 2King James Version (KJV)
8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.
Cecilia Ellis says
Joseph, that’s the difference between Judaism and Islam . . . what the Jewish prophets prophecied came true. I suspect that the “apple of his eye [pupil]” verse really provokes Muslims. Let there be no doubt: America will pay for Obama’s betrayal of Israel; he has just betrayed the apple of His eye. That, by the way, can be documented. I would do it here, but it is just far too extensive to present. Nevertheless, I am reminded of a quote, the author of which I don’t recall: “For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible.” So, keep up the prayers, my friend; keep up the prayers.
JIMJFOX says
Cecelia– scripture and prayer WON’T DO IT.
PLEASE stop being silly.
Joseph says
JIMJFOX
What is actually silly is to think that man can solve the problems we face today on his own.
2 Timothy 3
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:3
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
Cecilia Ellis says
Jim, I do believe that prayer is essential, but, like you, I believe appropriate military action is essential to eradicate this evil. Unfortunately, it will not be coming from us; hopefully it will come from Israel. These negotiations are drastic for us, Israel, and the world.
Uncle Vladdi says
The difference between Judaism and islam is vast – in fact they are polar opposites, since Judaism stands for honesty (King Judah) and Reason (Isaiah) while islam stands for lying and irrational faith in their crime-god.
OH, and also: The Jews aren’t mandated to violently conquer the world.
😉
Ned says
Thank you Joseph. You are right on!
AN excerpt from Israel Today
“The prophecy of Zechariah Chapter 12 was written approximately 2500 years ago predicting a future day when the world’s focus would be on Jerusalem:
“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.”
“And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.”
Further in verses 7, 8 and 9, the prophecy makes it clear that God will ultimately save the city and its people, but to the surrounding nations, the attempted conquest of Jerusalem will cause them great trouble, and to every nation pressuring to lift Jerusalem out of Jewish control, it will prove to be a heavy burden, and be injurious to them all.
This is widely regarded as an End Time prophecy, and by examining the current geo-political and spiritual situation of the Middle East conflict, it is safe to say the time-frame of this prophecy is upon us.”
No question about it! WHY read a horoscope when it’s ALL in the Bible?
The pieces are coming together.
Joseph says
@ Cecilia Ellis & Ned
Thanks.
Time is short, be sure to tell the ones you care about to give their life to JESUS CHRIST before it is too late. Also tell them that choosing not to decide is still making a choice, fence sitters will not get into heaven either and one’s works don’t count for salvation. Many “good” people are suffering in hell.
For those who are reading this all I can say is P L E A S E ! ! I would like you to be in heaven also.
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/2_heaven.htm
JIMJFOX says
This deal will work every bit as well as the one done with North Korea, you fools!
NO, wait……..
Liatris Spicata says
Yup.
rightrightright says
A 15-year deal? How unislamic. I thought the maximum length of a deal with the Kuffar was ten years, after which the Moslem may go back on his word.
John Stefan Obeda says
I would think that to a devoted Islamist who has the goal of shariah law for the world even a ten year deal can be a taqiyya. It is rather difficult for us sinful human beings to even comprehend how sinful our human nature is. But looking at the Islamists, we can get a pretty good idea.
Martin Vink says
Dont worry about sharia law forbidding a deal or being able to break the deal in 10 years. Neville Chamberlain’s peace deal lasted just months.
Mervyco says
There is a subtle difference between Chamberlain’s “Peace with Honour” and this deal. In 1938 UK had a breathing space to develop the Air Force and Navy before war broke out in 1939. Now the West has been lead to sell its future for one man’s belief it will be the crown of his Presidency and his lasting memorial.
You could not make a deal with Hitler and you cannot make a deal with the Iranian mullahs. Sadly those who can see this rational thought are not the ones negotiating the deal!
ECAW says
Off topic but great news:
“If the oil futures market is correct, Saudi Arabia will start running into trouble within two years. It will be in existential crisis by the end of the decade.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilprices/11768136/Saudi-Arabia-may-go-broke-before-the-US-oil-industry-buckles.html
Keil says
The imposter in the WH continues his amateurish babble disguised as politics. Do mention one single success in foreign politics were Oba had a lucky hand. Well, me neither!
Maurice says
This means that Iran have hostile intention anyhow
duh_swami says
The stealth jihadist in the WH strikes again…This guy lies just to keep in practice….If you give the enemy everything they want, it’s called surrender and treason…The stealth jihadist and his henchmen and women admit some of the funds awarded will go to terrorist causes…Funding terrorism is a crime…They throw Mahoundians in jail for doing that. The stealth jihadist get another free pass…Years ago traitors were given a necktie party, today they get taxpayer supported opulence…
Steve says
As bad as others have been throughout history, this terrorist regime stands out significantly because of its cold driven ideology. That makes it the highest risk for acting irrationally even if it means destroying themselves in the process. The traitorous actions an appeasement of the golfer in chief continually make us a mockery to the eyes the world and to those of us in our country. It is truly a time of shame upon America but also time for people to stand up to what is happening and that needs change. The progressives must not be allowed to continue and we need to elect someone to stands for truth and justice and ends the trajectory of America going to hell.
gordon miller says
Let’s see now…..Barry and Kerry negotiate a terrible treaty with Iran……then it is rejected mostly by the Republicans in Congress as against the interests of the United States…….then Iran gets mad at the United States……then it retaliates by shooting missiles at Israeli cities, killing mostly Jews but also many non-Jews….then Barry gets on TV, shakes his finger at Congress and says, “See what you did!”
Uncle Vladdi says
The first (and only real) duty of any government is to defend its people from disasters, both natural and man-made (including crimes) – so if your Congress DOESN’T kill this obscene threat to the safety of the entire world, then obviously each Congressweasel should pay the ultimate price for high TREASON to America, rationality, and Civilization.
Nimrod says
Everyone reading this who is in the U.S. Please contact the democrat senators at this link and demand that they oppose the disastrous scam deal with Iran.
http://floridafamily.org/full_article.php?article_no=497
Please share this link as widely as possible.
There is a link there you can use to send an email or you can contact one or more senators directly using the contact info there.
jack says
Obama passed Iran’s threats of immediate rocket attacks on Israel to Judenrat, SHAMEFUL, they should have spit in Obama’s face.
voegelinian says
In the 2016 illustrated edition of Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary, they will have a photo of Obama next to the definition of “Orwellian”.