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Samantha Power: “No religious beliefs justify throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death because of who they love”

Aug 26, 2015 2:10 pm By Robert Spencer

Samantha PowerSamantha Power is Obama’s Ambassador to the United Nations. At the first UN Security Council meeting on LGBT rights, she did the absolutely predictable thing: dissembled about the root causes of why the Islamic State persecutes gays. “No religious beliefs,” she asserted confidently, “justify throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death because of who they love.”

Oh really? Here is a quote from a manual of Islamic law, al-Siyaasah al-Shar’iyyah, as reproduced at IslamQA.com:

Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Abbaas said: The highest point in the town should be found and the homosexual should be thrown head first from it, then stones should be thrown at him.

Ibn ‘Abbaas derived this hadd punishment from the punishment that Allaah sent upon the homosexuals of the people of Loot.

“Loot” is the Biblical figure Lot. When this says that the punishment of throwing homosexuals off high places and stoning them is derived from the punishment of Allah upon the homosexuals of the people of Lot, it is referring to this Qur’an passage:

“And Lot when he said to his people, ‘Do you commit such immorality as no one has preceded you with from among the worlds? Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people.’ But the answer of his people was only that they said, ‘Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure.’ So We saved him and his family, except for his wife; she was of those who remained. And We rained upon them a rain. Then see how was the end of the criminals.” (Qur’an 7:80-84)

This “rain” that Allah rained down upon them is generally understood by Islamic authorities as referring to a rain of stones, as per this Qur’an passage:

“By your life, indeed they were, in their intoxication, wandering blindly. So the shriek seized them at sunrise. And We made the highest part its lowest and rained upon them stones of hard clay. Indeed in that are signs for those who discern. And indeed, those cities are on an established road.” (Qur’an 15:72-76)

Samantha Power ignores this, and probably doesn’t know about it. But the Islamic State does.

“Making History: The First UN Security Council Meeting on LGBT Rights,” by Samantha Power, Medium.com, August 24, 2015 (thanks to Jerk Chicken):

…But crucial and unprecedented as this step is, condemning ISIL’s violent and systematic targeting of LGBT individuals is the easiest step we can take today. Because while today’s session is focused on the crimes against LGBT persons committed by ISIL, we know the scope of this problem is much broader. Consider the report released in June by the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights — a report that found that thousands of people have been killed or brutally injured worldwide because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. According to the report, “the overall picture remains one of continuing, pervasive, violent abuse, harassment and discrimination affecting LGBT and intersex persons in all regions…often perpetrated with impunity.”

We are all horrified by ISIL’s videos of men being thrown to their death. But what is it about these crimes that so shocks our collective conscience? At its essence — it is the denial of a person’s most basic right because of who they are. It is ISIL deciding that, because of a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity, they do not deserve to live.

Yet if these crimes feel utterly unjust and wrong to us, we must also ask: Why is it acceptable to deny LGBT persons other human rights? Why should LGBT persons be imprisoned for who they are? Why should police be allowed to refuse to investigate attacks or threats against LGBT persons? Why should we accept LGBT persons being turned away from schools or jobs or social services because of who they love? The answer to all of these questions is the same: We should not accept it. But too often we do.

No religious beliefs justify throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death because of who they love.

No cultural values excuse refusing to investigate a killing, assault or death threat because the victim is gay. These are not Western-imposed rights, or the North trying to force its values on the South.

Yet in too many parts of the world, denying LGBT rights is still seen as moral and just. Laws are used to criminalize LGBT persons, rather than to prosecute the people who violate their rights. That must change.

That change begins by working to stop attacks against individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity. And by taking steps to ensure that those who commit these heinous and brutal crimes are held accountable, whether the perpetrators belong to ISIL or police forces or are members of our own communities….

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  1. mortimer says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    Samantha Power…professional hare-brained, unschooled nitwit.

    Islamic Shari’ah law is extracted from both the Qur’an and Muhammad’s Sunnah (found in the Hadith and Sira). Islamic jurisprudence are expansion of the laws contained within them by Islamic jurists. Therefore, they are seen as the laws of Allah. You need only look to the rulings under Shari’ah to see the accepted mainstream interpretation of Islam and its commandments to its followers. Homosexuality under this law, is not only a sin, but a punishable crime against God.

    In the case of homosexuality, how it is dealt with differs between the four mainline schools of Sunni jurisprudence today, but what they all agree upon is that homosexuality is worthy of a severe penalty.

    In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied.

    As for the Shafi`i school of thought, the homosexual receives the same punishment as adultery (if he/she is married) or fornication (if not married). This means, that if the homosexual is married, he/she is stoned to death, while if single, he/she is whipped 100 times. Hence, the Shafi`i compares the punishment applied in the case of homosexuality with that of adultery and fornication.

    The Hanafi differentiates between the two acts because in homosexuality, anal sex [something that is prohibited, regardless of orientation] may also be involved, while in adultery [and fornication], the penis/vagina (which are reproductive parts) are involved.

    Some scholars, based on the Qur’an and various ahadith, hold the opinion that the homosexual should be thrown from a high building or stoned to death as a punishment for their crime, but other scholars maintain that they should be imprisoned until death.

    Another view is that between two males, the active partner is to be lashed a hundred times if he is unmarried, and killed if he is married; whereas the passive partner is to be killed regardless of his marital status.

    Samantha, the above from Sharia is NOT unfounded opinion (like yours) … it is FACT.

    Learn FACTS from Sharia law before the next time you expose your ignorance of Sharia.

    The jihadists LAUGH AT YOU!

    • Huck Folder says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      Samantha Power, Austin Powers, meh!

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 3:11 pm

        She is right….No religion condones such atrocities as isis condones butCHERS do and Islam is a CULT. Not a religion.

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 3:18 pm

        She is right….No religion condones such atrocities as isis condones but CULTS do and Islam is a CULT. Not a religion.

  2. mortimer says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    Facts for Samantha:

    1. Since Iran’s 1979 revolution, more than 6,000 lesbians and gays had been executed.
    2. Two thirds of all reported incidents of anti-gay violence in Amsterdam are by Muslim youths.
    3. As of 2009, homosexual relationships, acts or behavior are illegal in 36 Islamic countries. 10 impose the death penalty.
    4. A 2009 Gallup survey could not find a single British Muslim who approved of homosexuality.
    5.In 2000, the Saudi government reported that it had sentenced nine Saudi men to extensive prison terms with lashing for engaging in cross-dressing and homosexual relations.
    6.May 2005, the government of KSA arrested 92 men for homosexuality, who were given sentences ranging from fines to prison sentences of several months and lashings.

    But as Samantha Powers KNOWS (without reading Sharia law)…KSA and Iran don’t understand REAL Islam.

  3. mortimer says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    Samantha! Don’t make things up!

  4. Angemon says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:55 pm

    Because while today’s session is focused on the crimes against LGBT persons committed by ISIL, we know the scope of this problem is much broader.

    Hi Samantha! Do you know that they hang gays from construction cranes in Iran? Any chance you’d make the unfreezing of Iranian assets depending on stopping the persecution of the Iranian LGBT community? Also, what do suppose ISIS and Iran have in common that translates into handling gays the same way?

  5. mortimer says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    Abu Dawud (4462) – The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”.

    Abu Dawud (4448) – “If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death.” (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one’s wife).

    Bukhari (72:774) – “The Prophet cursed effeminate men (those men who are in the similitude (assume the manners of women) and those women who assume the manners of men, and he said, ‘Turn them out of your houses .’ The Prophet turned out such-and-such man, and ‘Umar turned out such-and-such woman.”

    al-Tirmidhi, Sunan 1:152 – [Muhammad said] “Whoever is found conducting himself in the manner of the people of Lot, kill the doer and the receiver.”

    Reliance of the Traveller, p17.2 – “May Allah curse him who does what Lot’s people did.”

    Mohammed’s first successor Abu Bakr reportedly had a homosexual burned at the stake. The fourth caliph, Mohammed’s son-in-law Ali, ordered a sodomite thrown from the minaret of a mosque. Others he ordered to be stoned. One of the earliest and most authoritative commentators on the Koran, Ibn ‘Abbas (died 687) blended both approaches into a two-step execution in which “the sodomite should be thrown from the highest building in the town and then stoned.

    Ayatollah Abdollah Javadi-Amoli of Iran said, in April of 2012, that homosexuals are inferior to dogs and pigs, since these animals (presumably) do not engage in such acts. In November of that year, a cleric on British television stated, “What should be done to those who practice homosexuality? Torture them; punish them; beat them and give them mental torture.”

    A 2014 fatwa from the mainstream OnIslam.net proclaimed that homosexuality is “abnomal” and abhorrent” and confirmed that gays should be killed: “The punishment for men or women who are unwilling to give up homosexuality and therefore are rejecting the guidance of Allah Most High is in fact death according to Islam.”

    But apart from the above, NO RELIGION call for throwing gays off the ‘highest building in town’ except for Islam.

    Yes, Samantha, there is gay persecution in normative Islam.

  6. RonaldB says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    Actually, as a true bureaucrat, Semantha Powers makes her words have double meaning, and hedges all her bets, producing a mash of undifferentiated slop.

    If you parse her words carefully: “No religious beliefs justify throwing individuals off of buildings…” it is not so clear if she denies that there is a religious belief mandating that action, or if she asserts the action is not justified even if the individual holds the religious belief that he should throw the individual off the roof.

    Powers then goes into a mush where she denounces job discrimination (whether it exists or not) in terms as horrified as her response to lashing and murdering gays:

    “Why should we accept LGBT persons being turned away from schools or jobs or social services because of who they love?”

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 4:31 pm

      Ha ha, good analysis.

    • Nimrod says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      I was about to point that out if you didn’t. It seems to be doublespeak that could be interpreted to mean that some sort of “higher” morality trumps religious morality, or deceptive/ignorant statements about Islam. This simultaneously satisfies both dialectical materialism and Islamic taqiyya, the two main sets of beliefs that one would be addressing at the UN.

    • TheBuffster says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 1:25 am

      RonaldB, I was thinking the same thing about the ambiguous nature of Powers’ statement, although I’m not so sure that she knowingly made it ambiguous, nor which side of the ambiguity she meant to express if she was unaware.

    • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 3:28 pm

      Just why she was hired by the current administration in the first place. Dumb redhead

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 28, 2015 at 12:24 am

      Good analysis, Ronald.

    • kay says

      Sep 8, 2015 at 10:43 pm

      Re: If you parse her words carefully: “No religious beliefs justify throwing individuals off of buildings…” it is not so clear…
      ————————————–
      Well, four or so people got this. I got it on first quick skim of the source text. Really easy to do.
      Some people are trying to hammer on Samantha Powers while failing to take her words at face value. Don’t go into diplomatic relations.

      “All people have certain unalienable rights…” And religions, governments, etc. have no authority to deprive persons of inalienable rights. One of those rights is oxygen, food and water. Then, fair trial. Also, security in their own person. And the rights of free thought, free speech, and freedom of association.

      I studied a speech Samantha Powers gave at the UN in early to mid 2010.
      She’s a serious international human rights girl just as surely as I’m an international human rights guy.
      That will of course include baseline respect for homosexuals, Jews, blacks, indigenous peoples, and – who knows? – maybe even Buddhists. As above.

      Some statements are nonassertive, some positively assertive. some negatively assertive.
      Samantha Powers statement parses properly. She makes no positive nor negative assertion regarding Sharia or Islam generally. She CORRECTLY asserts Islamic State has no right to throw homosexuals off buildings….and stops there. To hammer on her you’d need a follow-up interview or position paper. Fully expect they will refuse to even respond for ANY statement regarding Sharia. That is diplomacy. In their shoes I would do EXACTLY the same. No alternative.

      It appears a number of people jumped the gun here. Or bit the hook. It’s dumb to condemn the statement or the person. This is classical and necessary diplomatic communication. Were someone were to ask me at work about homosexuals or church, as happened two years back, I just say: “I don’t know any homosexuals nor any Christians, so I am in no position to judge such people. But I do know there are a good many of both around this town.” Or, in short talk: Don’t know any. Why ask?

      “It is necessary only to want to get things clear.”
      — G. J. Warnock, Tutor in Philosophy, Oxford ( Magdalen ).

      • kay says

        Sep 8, 2015 at 10:48 pm

        Was “Were someone were..” should read “were someone to ask… I’d just say…”

  7. Jaladhi says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    It’s amazing how the uS administration has become the protector of Islam! Why would Muslims take any action to do anything to change their atrocious acts all around the world. Why is US administration doing it? It can’t be the oil – we have plenty of oil now or maybe it has something to do with the top honcho at top of the pyramid?

    • Mac-101 says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 4:25 pm

      It’s more than the USA that is empowerin Muslims. Why have they been allowed to flood Europe and change Western Civilization? The ELITES have a reason!

      • Jaladhi says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm

        True, all Western nations are complicit in this traitorous act! Please see my comments on Australian Lindt Cafe attack.

  8. Olivier Onghena says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    If it is not a religion, we can and must forbid it.

  9. pennant8 says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    When CAIR and other Muslim Brotherhood affiliates get together to discuss their ongoing project to bring down Western civilization “by their hands,” and then look at incidents like this, they must be saying to each other, “who knew it would be this easy?”

  10. Shmooviyet says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    Naturally in her eyes the US question on gay marriage was comparable to being thrown off roofs and stoning. Both being equal human-rights abuses.
    Does a hetero woman being stoned matter to her? Same ‘religious beliefs’, Ms. Power.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm

      Shmooviyet’s comment palpates the pecking order powerfully latent in PC MC: Muslims are on top, the Minority who grievances we must most respect, LGBTs (or perhaps blacks) are #2; illegal Mexicans #3; and perhaps #4 down the list are women. According to the implicit PC MC logic, each of the categories below Muslims are thrown under the bus if their grievances or rights conflict with those of Muslims, perhaps by logical degree according to their pecking order.

      When a Jihad Watch reader (Mirren) asked me why PC MCs would or should behave this way, strangely and irrationally preferring one Minority (Muslims) over all others, I provided a detailed argument (two comments worth, scroll down for the full argument).

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/the-sad-case-of-mogens-camre-criminalizing-dissent-in-denmark/comment-page-1#comment-1284801

      (I notice it’s been some 48 hours since I went to the time and trouble of answering Mirren, but no respojnse from her — although her friend Angemon deposited yet another quibbling retort, the latest in countless such retorts he has deposited over the months in various threads like Bugs Bunny or the Energizer Bunny popping up practically everywhere I post to poke and prod with his quibbles and rabbit trail sophistry.)

      • Mirren10 says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 10:12 am

        ”(I notice it’s been some 48 hours since I went to the time and trouble of answering Mirren, but no respojnse from her … ”

        Goodness me, voeg, I had no idea I was supposed to hop to it and respond to you within what you deem to be an acceptable time frame. How reprehensible of me.

        You know, *some* people might conclude; a) I hadn’t seen it, or b) I was busy doing something else, or c) I was asleep. I live in the UK, you know, which is some six hours behind US time.

        They wouldn’t necessarily conclude, and imply, I was being deliberately discourteous.

        However, I *have* replied to your comment, here.

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/the-sad-case-of-mogens-camre-criminalizing-dissent-in-denmark/comment-page-1#comment-1286219

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 9:56 am

          Too much
          unbelievable

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 9:56 am

          Come to my rescue voeg

      • Angemon says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 9:32 am

        voegelinian posted:

        “although her friend Angemon deposited yet another quibbling retort, the latest in countless such retorts he has deposited over the months in various threads like Bugs Bunny”

        Yes, I’m the Bugs Bunny to your Daffy Duck:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE

        “ popping up practically everywhere I post to poke and prod with his quibbles and rabbit trail sophistry”

        I’d say pointing out you lied about me and my stance despite knowing it perfectly well, as I went to prove, in order to push your little debunked narrative is neither a “quibble” nor “sophistry”. When push comes to shove you’re, to put it simply, a dishonest, unreliable person with a narrative to push: why reply to me on that thread where I (again) outed you as a liar when you can move someplace else and dump another steamer, complaining about how much of a “nibbler” I am? Someone too lazy to fact check will eventually buy into it, right? RIGHT???

        • Jay Boo says

          Aug 31, 2015 at 9:53 am

          The Daffy Duck thinks he can pull a fast one on the Smart Alecky Rabbit by digging convoluted rabbit holes to follow yet the rabbit know all of the duck’s cheap side show tricks.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 31, 2015 at 10:08 am

        voegy
        I notice it has been at least 48 minutes since you have requested someone to rescue you.

  11. RCCA says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    I don’t agree with the general consensus here condemning Power, or believe she was claiming that religious texts or traditional values do not motivate the killing of gays. She was challenging the validity of those religious texts. The statement was a bold challenge to religious teachings which are inhumane and the cause of worldwide discrimination and persecution. She was arguing that common sense human values should supersede religion and cultural traditions.

    • Olivier Onghena says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm

      Exactly, precisely what I commented.

  12. Stephanie says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    Samantha Power: “No religious beliefs JUSTIFY throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death(rajam) because of who they LOVE❤”

    Samantha Power has absolutely right 🙂 ISSlam is very dangerous political ideology, camouflaged as a religion. (Dr Wafa Sultan, Dr Ali Sina)

    • Stephanie says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm

      hadith 113 “If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be STONED TO DEATH.”

      http://sunnah.com/abudawud/40/113

  13. Jack Diamond says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    Samantha Power, more than just a pretty face.

    • Champ says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 4:57 pm

      ahaha!!!!!

    • Wellington says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 5:10 pm

      Echoing Champ, good one Jack Diamond. Ordinarily, I don’t like to hold a person’s bad looks against them, but I’ll make an exception in Samantha Power’s case. After all, she’s so deserving.

    • Brian Boru says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 8:26 pm

      It speaks volumes regarding husband Cass Sunstein that he would find this ugly masculine face attractive. It must have been her brains he fell for. Mind you Sunstein himself is one weird looking dude. So mystery solved.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 9:24 pm

      Agreed, Mr. Diamond!
      Her far, far-lefty insides seem to have taken their toll on her outward appearance. Is this what hating your country for forty years does to a woman’s looks?

  14. Stephanie says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    … or STONING them to death(rajam) because of who they ❤ LOVE”

    Du’a Murdered by Public STONING for Falling in Love (Graphic Video)

    Stoning in Islam — According to Hadith Sahih Bukhari & Muslim
    (PDF-doc 202 KB)

    http://192.96.206.71/islamic-stoning-to-death-rajam.html

  15. gfmucci says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    Or stated another way, no political party justifies killing millions of Jews, as if the Democrats and Republicans were thinking about it.

  16. Lucretius says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    Power says IS’s executions of “LGBT and intersex persons” “is the denial of a person’s most basic right because of who they are. It is ISIL deciding that, because of a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity, they do not deserve to live.” I will play the Devil’s advocate (not that I like the Devil; my intent will become clear) and reply on “ISIL’s” behalf: “You are blurring the difference between what people DO and what people are born with such as skin color and even the spontaneous first movements of impulse and desire, which are beyond anyone’s controlling. We do not punish for the latter, but only for the giving of assent of the will to desires so that they issue in an act which Allah has forbidden. So punished are heterosexual desires only if they issue in adultery, or the impulse of anger only if it issues in assault or murder, covetousness if it issues in theft, and so on. We say, human beings are not helpless in the face of their passions and are responsible for their acts when they are not insane, and punishing is appropriate for responsible beings. And we say the acts we punish are harmful. The measure of harmful and beneficial is Allah’s revealed will, for we say Allah is the fundamental reality, in His hands is supreme good and evil, and there is no helper against Allah.”

    Now what would a GENUINE response to this have to be? It would have to go to the very ground, by showing that Allah is not the fundamental reality with power over all human weal and woe, that no true revelation came from him or that they have misunderstood what has come. Further, Power would be obliged to ground her understanding of human good and bad in a true grasp of the human situation. But the burden is both staggering and unPC, so she’ll just brass it out and continue to conflate uncontrollable nature and human willing, and her opponent can justly dismiss her as a hack.

  17. Nimrod says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    Test. My comments aren’t appearing after being submitted.

  18. Wellington says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    And don’t forget that the Powers’ here in the West continue to think the real haters, the real problem, are conservatives. Oh yes, please don’t forget this because if you do, then almost nothing else will “fit.”

    Rather like not realizing that the term “radical Islam” is redundant. Use this term sincerely, as way too many who should know better by now still do, and a lot else won’t “fit.”

    Absolutely, getting the right “fit” nowadays is paramount. Especially for things like the preservation of common sense, equality under the law and liberty. Yes indeed, the right “fit” is a sine qua non for lots of good things.. Count on it.

    • Champ says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      True, Wellington!

  19. Sam says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    The best explanation of this lunatic behavior of liberals against Islam (and against us Americans) is in the book “United in Hate” by Jamie Glazov.

    Still, liberal or not, how anyone can defend Islam is very difficult to fathom. But here it is: Obama and the Company do it every chance they get.

  20. Champ says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    Ok I can’t believe I’m gonna state this because I cannot stand Donald Trump, but I (sorta) want the Trump to become president *just* to hear him inform Samantha Power, “You’re Fired!!” …oh those words sound sooo good right now. Donald as president?…not so much.

    • Wellington says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      I too have many reservations about Trump, Champ, not the least being his criticism of Pamela Geller for holding the Mohammed drawing contest in Garland, but at least he doesn’t use canned political speech and I’ll give him this and I’ll also give him making your standard politicos look like, well, standard politicos..

      Still though, the person out there in the wings who is my first choice for President is Allen West, who has already said some of what needs to be said about Islam (and so much else.). He’s the black Ronald Reagan and I admire him a lot. I only wish he were running. I also think Carly Fiorina might be someone who takes no prisoners. Not sure yet about her but to date I like her..

      Hope you are doing well. My God, our nation is in deep trouble as is the world at large. America, which is to say the free world, needs a sterling leader. Stay well and safe, my friend.

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        ” I also think Carly Fiorina might be someone who takes no prisoners. Not sure yet about her but to date I like her.. ”

        As I documented in a recent essay, Fiorina after 911 praised Islamic civilization to the skies and in the same breath implied a denigration of medieval Christendom. She went on with this paean so long, one needs a barf-bag handy when reading it.

        For an extended quote, see The “No True Scotsman” Fallacy —

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-no-true-scotsman-fallacy.html

        This is not to say Fiorina wouldn’t be infinitely better than Hillary or any other Democratic contender; a dead dog would be better than Hillary.

        • Wellington says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 6:34 pm

          Thanks for the update, voegelilnian. I sure hope she has learned a lot since that statement of hers. If not, then shame on her.

          I fear that almost no one among the Western elites really “gets it” about Islam. I can’t even say for sure that Allen West does. “Bout time someone with great political skill does since the Occident is running out of time and Islam, in typical parasitical and taqiiyya mode, is always waiting in the wings to destroy, to appropriate, to obfuscate, to lie.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm

          Well, being a candidate for the most important position on the planet, she has an obligation to tell the American people that she has in fact changed her mind, and apologize for spouting all that monstrously irresponsible and false pro-Islam propaganda.

      • Champ says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 6:45 pm

        Hi, Wellington. At this juncture I like Ted Cruz. He stated that, “obama is an apologist for radical Islamic terrorists”, and I’m impressed by his fearlessness:

        http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/ted-cruz-obama-radical-islamic-terrorists-115312.html

        Carly Fiorina is someone whose definitely caught my attention, too; but sadly, she seems to have an affinity for islam, so at this point she gets a thumbs-down from me:

        http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/08/carly-fiorina-michele-bachmann-islam

        Yes–America needs a sterling leader, and I hope and pray to God that we actually get one for a ‘Change’. Take care, my good friend.

        • Wellington says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 7:23 pm

          I like the fact, Champ, that Cruz has said that if elected President one of his first executive decisions would be to move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. ‘Bout time.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 28, 2015 at 12:48 am

          Champ, I agree about Ted Cruz. Here’s what he had to say about the foiled Jihad attack in Garland Texas at the Muhammad Cartoon Art Show:

          “Texas shooting showed radical Islam’s ‘ugly face,’ Ted Cruz says”

          http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/241547-texas-shooting-showed-radical-islams-ugly-face-ted-cruz-says

          “We saw the ugly face of radical Islam in Garland, Texas, recently,” Cruz said of last Sunday’s shooting at a “Draw Muhammad” event there.

          “Thankfully, one police officer helped those terrorists meet their virgins,” he quipped.
          …

          I could quibble over his use of “radical”, but this is *so* much better than what we have heard from “the Donald” excoriating Pamela Geller for her brave defense of freedom of speech, or anything from most other candidates that I am quite heartened.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 28, 2015 at 12:38 am

        Wellington wrote:

        I also think Carly Fiorina might be someone who takes no prisoners. Not sure yet about her but to date I like her..
        ………………………….

        I liked her initially, too, Wellington. Then I did a bit more digging:

        “Carly Fiorina: Islamic Civilization was ‘Greatest in the World’”

        http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/06/carly-fiorina-islamic-civilization-was-greatest-in-the-world/

        This was immediately in the wake of 9/11.

        Col.Allen West–always a gentleman–suggests that we wait and see what she has to say *now*. I agree–but this from post 9/11 *does not* bode well.

        http://allenbwest.com/2015/08/knives-are-out-for-fiorina-14-yr-old-speech-supporting-islam-surfaces/

    • Myxlplik says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 7:31 pm

      I’m pretty sure Donald Trump could be educated about the jihad threat. He tends to spew before he thinks sometimes, give him a half hour Pam, that’s all it would take.

  21. abad says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    Power has proven that she is uneducated about Islam.

  22. mortimer says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Obama is thus willing to GO TO WAR over the human rights of LGTB (hundreds of whom are killed each year in Muslim countries), but not over the human rights of Christians who are being killed in the TENS OF THOUSANDS each year.

    Obama’s words consistently omit persecuted Christians. They are not worth protecting, but Gays are…why?

    Obama is only concerned about religious persecution when Muslims are the victims.

  23. Myxlplik says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Yeah… It’s not possible for Islam to command the execution of gays, because Islam is a minority and gays are minorities and we all know minorities stick together and are Democrats… Right?

    Oh and don’t forget Islam means peace, and peace is a rainbow, which means gay because it’s on the flag, in fact Muslims are one of the stripes on the minority rainbow flag, so Islam loves gays, and votes Democrat.

    Samantha Power for President.

  24. Edward says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    What has by the UN not succeeded since August 6, 2011.

    President Obama Directs New Atrocity Prevention Measures,

    Link to White House Blog by the US UN Amb. Samantha Power

    “The Obama administration takes very seriously its responsibility to do everything that we can to prevent atrocities, and — with the President’s Directive and his Proclamation barring human rights violators from entering the United States — President Obama has given the US government two new tools in the effort to meet this responsibility.”

    “with the President’s Directive and his Proclamation barring human rights violators from entering the United States”

    Does Obama conveniently forget his own Directives and Proclamations!
    But surly Obama will win a moratorium on the killings of gays as a token gift by the ISIS allowing gays to resettle in the USA.

    U.S. Leadership to Advance Equality for LGBT People Abroad

    Link to White House (December 13, 2012) blog by the US UN Amb.Samantha Power

    “Refugees being resettled to the United States are also benefiting from increased training and awareness for resettlement personnel, including through the creation of an HHS supported guide to resettling LGBT refugees and those granted asylum.”

    Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Power

  25. gerard says

    Aug 26, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    Looking at the photo she/he looks rather masculine. He/she seems to be a little too keen in her/his LGBT concerns…especially “T”. Last I heard Sammy was seen wearing a parachute and avoiding tall buildings..

    • Tom W Harris says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 8:30 am

      Maybe she and the Mooch are thisclose.

  26. Hilary Ostrov says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 5:07 am

    This may seem like a really dumb question, BUT … I’d really like to know how it transpired that an issue pertaining to human rights landed on the Agenda of the UN’s Security Council, rather than (what strikes me as being) the far more appropriate – or at least so-called – UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC).

    Oh, silly me, eh?! How could I have forgotten that the UNHRC is far too busy dreaming up and/or dragging out accusations against Israel – a country in which there is far more respect for human rights for those of ALL persuasions. Including those who count themselves amongst the LGBT communities – which is far more than can be said of any non-western members of the UN.

    Then again, perhaps Powers’ current marching orders are to do everything in her empty oratorical … uh … power to deflect attention away from the Obama crew’s latest inane initiatives: i.e those on “climate change” and on Iran.

    Not to mention, of course, the matter of the millions of stranded ME refugees created in no small measure thanks to … you guessed it … yet more utterly failed inane initiatives on the part of the Obama crew, with the apparent blessing of the utterly ineffective UN.

    Speaking of which, it also occurs to me that far more good could actually be accomplished if the US/UN/EU were to direct that the frozen billions – that will be handed to Iran on a virtual platter – were to be redirected towards ameliorating the dire needs of these refugees. Particularly considering that responsibility for their current status lies clearly at the feet of UN/US/EU’s joint blindness of convenience and sheer incompetence.

  27. DiMu says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 9:13 am

    Of course the reason the Mad Prophet was so hysterical about homosexuality is that it is hugely prevalent across the Middle East and South Asia. This is typical in any culture where woman are taboo. (Cf Africa which is aggressively heterosexual), As we know it was also rampant in Ancient Greece and Rome.

    A much more harmful result of the taboo on women has been the frequency of cousin marriage so the extent of interbreeding and a reduced gene pool has been catastrophic to the mental health of Muslims, as we see today!

    The PC Establishment is Marxist to the core and their intention is to totally destroy democracy and traditional Judeo-Christian morality to make way for the New World Order – a joining of hands between the Global Financial Empire and Third World Dictators – BOTH of which are monopolists!.

  28. Robert_K says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Imagine how conflicted Obama is by all this as he is the first gay muslim President . Does that mean that he should be trying to kill himself ? Or does he dissemble and use Taqiya to deceive the infidel?

  29. nacazo says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Samantha Powers will not let FACTS stand in the way of her leftist FANTASIES.

  30. Carlos Danger says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    More inconvenient truth for Mr. Obama’s stooges to conceal like cats burying turds in a litter box.

  31. Enfant Terrible says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    “The first UN Security Council meeting on LGBT rights..We are all horrified by ISIL’s videos of men being thrown to their death. But what is it about these crimes that so shocks our collective conscience?” – Has the UN Security Council ever convened to determine an official position on ISIL and make a corresponding statement about what actions the U.N. will take to oppose it or that it will develop a plan to address ISIL? Or, will the U.N. not do anything because ISIL butchers mostly straight people?

    Shouldn’t Powers be “horrified” regardless of ISIL’s victims’ sexual orientation. Powers is ANOTHER retard at the U.N./State Department.

  32. Edward says

    Aug 28, 2015 at 12:05 am

    Samantha Power: “No religious beliefs justify “who they love”; a form of Eros (minus the intimate love and romance) is the only (self) love word category that Muslim’s live for it seems. None of the remaining emotions means anything to them. Doing a Google search resulted very little on all human love emotions that might fit the Muslim world.

    Philia – brotherly love”;Storge – familial love, is the Greek word for natural affection—such as the love of a parent towards offspring, and vice versa; Agape – the highest form of love, especially brotherly love, charity; the love of God for man and of man for God and Eros – “sexual intimate love” or romantic love

    Perhaps, the “throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death is punishment because loving another human goes counter cult of not fearing Allah. According to the Islam religion love does not lead you to paradise, but fearing Allah leads you there!

    Gosh these misfits live in a constant fearful state during their entire life.

    Sex, sex, sex is all they live for…..they’ll kill you if they don’t get their fill of it.

    Even Iran’s Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini has written a book titled ‘Sex for Shias
    http://www.nairaland.com/1086492/ayatollah-khomeinis-book-sex-shias

    There is an index accompanying also in the Khomeini publication that instructs the Islamic believers all that is needed to sustain righteousness as believing Muslins. That’s a definite Theocracy in action that hates America because of our worldly tolerance!

    And now our cowardly politicians demand that we tolerate theirs…from them that hate us! How unreasonable it is…..for America is our country and does not belong to the politicians that has been elected by us or the world at large as a matter of fact!

    A side note: the Muslim world does not represent what would be considered a population that represents humans that abides to any natural account as in our lives, even their creation account is abnormal……an uttered word of love is certainly not a factor in its creation account.

    Allah says; “Have We not created you from a fluid (held) despicable?” Koran 77:20
    http://muslimmatters.org/2012/02/03/the-creation-of-man-as-mentioned-in-the-quran/

  33. gravenimage says

    Aug 28, 2015 at 12:16 am

    Samantha Power: “No religious beliefs justify throwing individuals off of buildings or stoning them to death because of who they love”
    ………………………..

    This is only true if you don’t consider Islam a religion…

    More:

    These are not Western-imposed rights, or the North trying to force its values on the South…
    ………………………..

    Heaven forfend that any embrace of human rights are associated with the civilized West…

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