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The invasion of Europe and America

Aug 23, 2015 8:04 pm By Robert Spencer

A Macedonian police officer raises his baton towards migrants to stop them from entering into Macedonia at Greece's border,near the village of Idomeni, Greece, August 22, 2015. REUTERS/Alexandros Avramidis

“What are Muslims fleeing? Shariah law?” Good question. “The invasion of Europe and America,” by Pamela Geller, WND, August 23, 2015:

Europe is on the verge of descending into utter chaos. Reuters reported that “thousands of migrants stormed across Macedonia’s border on Saturday, overwhelming security forces who threw stun grenades and lashed out with batons before apparently abandoning a bid to stem their flow through the Balkans to western Europe.”

These thousands of Muslim “refugees,” most of them from the jihad hotspots of Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, have been pouring into Greece and the Balkans in huge numbers for some time now. But they do not, of course, want to stay in Greece, Macedonia and Serbia. They want to reach the European Union: primarily Germany, France and Britain.

More of these “refugees” arrive every day.Media reports of this Muslim invasion focus on the crying women and children, who seem to have been deliberately brought to the front of the crowd. Clearly the vast majority of these “migrants” are men, and in any case, under normal circumstances, wouldn’t you take the women, and especially the children, to the side so that they wouldn’t get hurt in clashes with police? Instead, they are used as human shields.

How very like Hamas. Just as the “Palestinian” terrorists launch attacks from civilian areas to try to provoke civilian casualties they can use to manipulate world opinion, so now the international media obscures the reality of this flood of “refugees” into Europe in an attempt to blunt legitimate concern over it.

This is just emotional manipulation of the vilest kind, as we’ve already seen so many times with the Gaza conflict, the Bosnian civil war, the supposed “genocide” of Muslims in Burma, and so very much more.

Europe (and the U.S. under Obama) are importing jihad. For years, I have warned against the massive Muslim immigration under refugee resettlement programs. What are Muslims fleeing? Shariah law?

Immigration jihad, or hijrah, is the migration or journey of Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Yathrib, later renamed by him to Medina, in the year 622 CE. It was after the hijrah that Muhammad for the first time became not just a preacher of religious ideas, but a political and military leader. That was what occasioned his new “revelations” exhorting his followers to commit violence against unbelievers. Significantly, the Islamic calendar counts the hijrah, not Muhammad’s birth or the occasion of his first “revelation,” as the beginning of Islam, implying that Islam is not fully itself without a political and military component.

And true to that martial aspect of this immigration, the “refugees” have grown increasingly violent. Nonetheless, the enemedia and compromised government officials maintain that if you disagree with letting all these people into your country, you are a heartless hateful racist bigot. But this is as absurd as it is insidious. Imagine if this logic were applied in daily life, if someone wanted to enter your house, take all your belongings and even move in there. Should you be forced to let them in?

Shouldn’t the governing authorities of every sovereign nation, if they really have the best interests of their nation at heart, have the right to let in who they want into their country, just as anyone can decide who he or she wants to allow into his or her home? Nobody has a “right” to move to a certain country, or to become a citizen of that country, or to receive welfare or some other assistance there – but it seems as though we as a culture and civilization have completely forgotten about these simple facts.

So when all European cities, and even whole countries, start to look the way Paris or London (where, in significant areas of the city, the majority of the population is of foreign extraction and Islam is the dominant religion) look today, will we have “helped” enough? It’s a war being fought throughout many European cities. In Denmark, it’s Muslim armies versus bikers, often classified as “gang violence.”

And at the rate President Obama is importing these same Muslim communities, we can expect the same war in the streets. Obama is importing whole Muslim communities from jihad nations, while immigration authorities single out Christians who are fleeing Islamic slaughter for attrition and harassment. In 2016, the number of Muslim refugees coming to the U.S. from Syria is expected to quadruple.

Are there no officials in Europe or America who love their homelands enough to stop ignoring the obvious consequences of all this?

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  1. Angemon says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: this is a unique period in history – before, when you had thousands of foreigners trying to force their way into your country due to the perceived riches it contains, it was called an “invasion”, and armies were dispatched to deal with the situation. European countries are not obliged to take in and care for the dregs of third-world hellholes. We have our own poor and criminals to take care of, thank you very much, we don’t need to import more.

    • jihad3tracker says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 8:41 pm

      Let me add something crucial to the outcome [who will prevail] but not often mentioned: THERE ARE MANY YEARS UPCOMING WITH UNRELENTING NUMBERS OF IMMIGRANTS TRYING TO GET TO EURABIA and future CEOs of the involved countries are unknown.

      So —– Are the relatively comfortable middle class voters in nations absorbing these “dregs of third-world hellholes” dedicated enough to keep fighting the onslaught of (no delicate terminological fluffery here) a young rapidly breeding manifestation of Islam ?

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 10:05 pm

        Sadly, no. Europe lost much of its soul first in World War I, then in Auschwitz, and finally in the abortion mills. What remains is weak and riddled with self-doubt.

        The stunning speed at which the Islamic hordes are moving in would be impossible if Europeans had a strong sense of what they are about and that it is worth defending.

        I think this war is lost. It was not even a war to begin with. Every once in a long while, a historic change occurs that dwarfs the usual pace of change. This is such a time.

        It happened in the Neolithic age when the corded-ware people killed the male hunter-gatherers and took their women.

        It happened in 212 BCE, when a knuckle-dragging Roman soldier slew Archimedes, incapabable of recognizing genius when he saw it.

        It happened during the Dark Ages, when cultured, refined Rome collapsed from its own weakness, no longer possessing the requisite self-belief to resist the onslaught of Goths, Vandals, Franks and Slavs. Knowledge and civilization were forgotten, the continent regressed to a barbarian state, with a tiny flame of learning kept alive by monks and the Jews.

        It was a good half-millennium or so, starting with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 and the exodus of the byzantine scientists and scholars to the West, which sparked the Renaissance and the age of exploration. Never before in history had such a small corner of the globe expanded its reach world-wide. It is a distinction for eternity.

        We now stand on the threshold of a new Dark Ages. Mouthbreathing, inbred from centuries of cousin marriage, low-IQ but domineering and savage people free from self-doubt and moral scruples are taking over. How long will their reign last, will it be centuries, too? Will they collapse from within or will they fall to another invasion in their turn?

        And how many, or few, of our descendants will be around then? How much of our culture will remain?

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 11:50 pm

          Despair.

          Defeatism.

          And soul-withering paralysing Fatalism.

          NO westerner worthy of the name should have any truck with any of that.

          Despair, sir, is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, and there you are, wallowing in it and attempting to pound it into the heads of every person here…especially any Europeans.

          Read G K Chesterton, “The Everlasting Man”.

          I suggest two chapters therefrom, specifically. 1/ “The War of the Gods and the Demons” (Rome vs Carthage). and 2/ “The Five Deaths of the Faith”.

          And for good measure, these four Chesterton poems.
          Learn them by heart!

          1/ The Ballad of St Barbara

          2/ The Ballad of the White Horse

          3/ O God of Earth and Altar

          4/ The Battle of Lepanto.

          You are not seeing Christendom on the day of its death; you are seeing it on a ‘burning day’ (as Dumbledore says to Harry, of Fawkes the Phoenix).

          Here is Chesterton – “It is he who says not “Kismet”, It is he who says not “Fate”/ It is Richard, it is Geoffrey, It is Godfrey at the Gate!”.

          That spirit is NOT dead. We saw it, on Friday, on a train to Paris; we saw it in Damien A, Mark Moogalliion, Spencer Stone, Aleksander (Alexander!) Skarlatos, Anthony Sadler, and Chris Norman.

          It only takes a spark to get a fire going…

          Look for the embers, look for the sparks, blow upon them and feed the flame. *That*’s what everyone in the Resistance must try to do, at every opportunity, no matter where they are, in every way that they can.

          And here’s a thought: if you’re worried about demographic jihad there is something very simple you can start with….**lavish praise and practical support upon EVERY fellow infidel in your social circle whom you see having children!** Especially, of course, among your kin – be proud of every baby, be supportive toward every one of your relations who is being brave and having kids, especially if they are having their second, third, fourth…Give them presents! Send them flowers! Shower them with approbation and make sure they get practical support because especially in the modern world parenting can be both tough *and* expensive. Right now, I am anticipating the birth of my latest nephew, and friends of ours have just announced that they are having their second baby. And we are showering these people with approval. The same is happening in our church, which has many grannie-and-grandpa types, but a sprinkling of young couples who have just started having kids. When they turn up in church, everyone *beams* at them and they know that if the babies cry, nobody will tut-tut.

          The more ‘child-friendly’ YOU are, the more ‘child-friendly’ your church, community, society is, the more likely it is that those who are of childbearing years, will have children!

          Don’t be doctrinaire about it; don’t wag your finger at people; DON’T be snide about people you see who only have one or two, because if you don’t know the circumstances, you don’t in fact know whether they may not have been to hell and back – years of IVF, years of heartbreaking miscarriages, emergency C-section or a marathon labour – to have just that one child or those two children.

          Here’s your assignment for today and tomorrow and the next: whenever you see a pregnant infidel mum, or a young mum toting a baby and pushing a stroller and leading a toddler…SMILE! Open that awkward door for her! Help her up the steps or onto the train or bus or into the lift. Step aside for her. (And the same goes when you see a young dad on his own with the kid/s, or a young couple). Let her know that you approve! If you see her breastfeeding her bub in public, discreetly avert your eyes (if a bloke). If the toddler is throwing a tantrum, or the baby is crying…so what! Flash an Understanding Look rather than frowning or muttering. If you’re female, openly admire the baby. (Guys have to be careful, depending on circumstances; you don’t want to come over creepy toward a stranger; me, as a pushing-52 signed up member of the Mothers’ Union, I feel officially entitled to smile at and express praise of any cute baby or toddler I see a fellow Infidel mum toting about).

          People are much more likely to do something, if they get positive vibes for doing it. Find the Infidels, young or not-quite-so-young, who *are* having kids and…give them some approval!

          Better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 12:21 am

          Mate: the *non-Muslim* barbarians were CONVERTED.

          Charles Martel, who withstood the onslaught of Islam at Tours/ Poitiers in 732, was not a Romano-Celtic Gaul; he was the descendant of *very-recently-converted* Frankish pagan barbarians, and so were most of his fighting men, they who stood like a rock and repelled the Moorish Muslims from the very gates of what we now call France.

          The Spain that the Muslims invaded was not the Spain of Rome; it was a hybrid, a fusion of Roman Christendom with Goths and Vandals who had been **converted to Christianity**, educated, civilised.

          Read Emmet Scott, “Mohammed and Charlemagne Revisited” – which picks up on Pirenne’s “Mohammed and Charlemagne” and essentially shows that Pirenne was *onto* something, and then some – and find out what *really* caused the “Dark Ages”.

          http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40324
          Tuesday, 31 January 2012
          Who Destroyed Classical Civilization?

          http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/40904

          Wednesday, 29 February 2012

          Mohammed and Charlemagne revisited: the conclusion
          by Emmet Scott (March 2012)

          Had Islam never been invented, then western Christendom – composed of soundly-baptised-and-catechised and educated EX-barbarians – would have survived and flourished, in tandem with Eastern Greco-Roman civilisation.

          Had Islam never been invented, it ‘s a safe bet that right across a swath of central Asia there would have been Christian nations.

          Had Islam never been invented, I doubt there’d have been a ‘scramble for Africa’…instead, Christianity – spreading largely by unarmed missionary saints, exactly as Patrick went to the Irish – would have percolated steadily southward, patiently and slowly transforming the pagan tribes of Africa exactly as it had done with the pagan tribes of *Europe*. Look at Abyssinia, look at the Copts (pre-Islam), think of the Christian Kingdom of Nubia that survived despite Islam until the 17th century when it finally fell…think of Romano-Berber North Africa given time to develop…and Africa would look very, very different.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 1:12 am

          Sorry dda, but while I think the Anglosphere may well pull through, the outlook for the “continent” (if you can call the western appendix of Eurasia that) is grim.

          Nothing wrong with any of the practical suggestions you make. In fact, I already do apply them when I get the chance. But the precipitousness of European collapse in the face of Islamic invasion leaves me no confidence for a good outcome.

          Sure, it’s conceivable that in a couple of centuries, if and when some form of natural selection will have culled the worst of the worst from their ranks and promoted a gentler minority among them, the Islamic savages will convert en masse to Christianity, just as the earlier barbarian hordes did after a few centuries ransacking the Roman Empire.

          But that’s a long way into the future. We will never find out.

        • The Doctor says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 10:25 am

          H.G. Wells was right.

          The Muslims are the Morlocks and we’re becoming the Eloi.

        • walter says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 10:28 am

          wow – Sam Hawkins you nailed it ! The enemy is within.Sleeping beauty in the west has lost its identity and tolerates the invading ideology until it prevails just as in the times of Adolph !

        • Stephen Green says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 10:39 am

          I couldn’t have said it any better. As old ‘Bob Dylan’ sang so long age, The times they are changing..

        • RonaldB says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 12:40 pm

          Sam Hawkins,

          Thanks for your insight, especially your emphasis on the Darwinian aspect of the slide into Muslim and other barbarian invasion.

          You talked about the killing fields of World War I. This was the beginning of the era when prowess in arms, courage and honor conferred a selection disadvantage, rather than an advantage. The mass killing, along with the anti-aristocratic, socialist governments which resulted guaranteed that honor and courage was more likely to get a soldier killed, and the money and resources gained through wisdom, drive, and honor was taken away and given to anyone in need.

          Studies of genetics and population show rapid deterioration of traits that are not selected for.

          Look as an example of the way General David Petraeus was treated. An effective, fierce and committed warrior, he was cashiered and criminalized in disgrace for the crime of feeling his paramour classified information to augment her journalism.

          So, what we’ve done is impoverished and disgraced a real warrior, while promoting faceless political hacks who trade public goods for favors.

          http://www.vdare.com/articles/why-wont-gop-controlled-congress-investigate-dhs-alejandro-mayorkas-for-corruption?content=moneymaking%20schemes%20depend

          We also tax away goods and money from productive, creative, responsible citizens to support the fatherless hoards of street thugs and sub-literate refugees with a culture and heredity of tribal, lawless socialism.

          So, is it any mystery that courage, integrity, and wisdom is sorely lacking in leadership, and the ability to appreciate and support ethical, productive behavior is draining from the electorate?

          The Israelis have mined their borders: would-be immigrants running an Israeli border are very aware they are likely to be killed. There was an attempt to have crowds try to overwhelm and publicize the Israeli defensive response, but it fizzled out.

          Saudi Arabia ships any undocumented “refugee” to the Mogadishu airport, leaving them to the tender mercies of the Somali militias. Saudi Arabia doesn’t have too much of a problem of migrants trying to sneak in.

          I do not favor government trying to shape the genetics of the population. I do favor the government allowing productive citizens to use their fairly-gained resources to support their own offspring, and allowing the irresponsible, promiscuous street-dwellers, and their offspring, to fend for themselves.

          Unfortunately, there seems to be a tendency that as a society advances in technology, resources, and public services, there is a corresponding degeneration of their genetic advantages. The wars involving weapons of mass killing, such as the machine gun, and the rewards of bureaucracy rather than valor, have accelerated this trend. Europe truly lost its best sons on the World War I battlefields.

          Paradoxically, the “socialist” climates of Communist Russia and the East European countries under the USSR appear to have selected for resourcefulness and survivability, if not honor, simply because there were very few resources to distribute.

          We will not be able to deal with the onslaught of aggressive aliens until we are willing to give up the idea that we are responsible for their safe landing once they take off on their perilous journeys to break down our borders.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 12:42 pm

          “The stunning speed at which the Islamic hordes are moving in would be impossible if Europeans had a strong sense of what they are about and that it is worth defending.”

          Sam Hawkins seems to assume the explanation is a massively negative one, as though the problem is mainly that the West lacks something; but in fact, the tens of millions of PC MCs of the West (most of them non-Leftist) who embrace Muslims this way do have a “a strong sense of what they are about and that it is worth defending” – they are about Multiculturalism and standing tall with the angels against any “bigotry” and “racism” against all these innocent ethnic non-white non-Europeans who are only streaming in to “find a better life”, and they feel this is a principle worth defending. This is not to say that every one of these tens of millions has exactly the same positive stance or commitment; many in any society who are co-dependent enablers of the status quo exist in various forms of relative passivity. In free democracies such as the West still has (pace the Real Problemers mingling among the Counter-Jihad), oftentimes policies are adopted and pursued in the absence both of any dictator and of any mass force (such as a revolution, riots or civil war) – not because the people are “sheep” so much as that the relative sociopolitical health of the system allows for such relative passivity to keep the Body Politic along its course without any major convulsions. But one should not mistake this relative passivity for an absence of positive beliefs. The positive (albeit amorphous and often incoherent) belief in Multiculturalism and its opposite side of the coin, the Avoidance of “Racism” and “Bigotry, have become enormously influential sociopolitical forces – not because they have been imposed by tyrants (as the Real Problemers assume with a surprisingly glib lurch into profound alienation from their own West), but precisely because they have become the new popular fashion over the past 50-odd years, for which the way was paved decades ago by a growing sense of irrationally exaggerated White Guilt over Colonialism and the treatment of various ethnic minorities in the West.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 1:18 pm

          Sam Hawkins writes of his futuristic scenario after Muslim have conquered the West which he, in his gloom & doom, bets on:

          “Sure, it’s conceivable that in a couple of centuries, if and when some form of natural selection will have culled the worst of the worst from their ranks and promoted a gentler minority among them”

          It’s funny (as in odd, and disturbingly amusing) how the extremists in the Counter-Jihad tend to manifest burps, tics, hiccups, coughs, sniffles, and/or spasms of Softism. If this only happened once in a blue moon, one could chalk it up to an anomaly; but I have seen it so much, I assume there must be some logical affinity between robust anti-Islam extremism in rhetoric, and Counter-Jihad Softism (where the “Softness” in question invariably refers to an irrationally optimistic perception of Muslims in one way or another while tending to avoid any sweeping condemnation of Muslims, where all their energy of frustration and anger at this metastasizing problem is concentrated on Islam and on the easy target of Muslims who have shown their support of Islam after the fact). The only explanation for this curious phenomenon I can think of (for now) is that it’s a form of contorted Denial, afraid to face the vertiginously alarming prospect that all Muslims are fanatically disposed against us, yet at the same time having learned too much about Islam (unlike the PC MCs at large around us) to continue to indulge in the blatantly anodyne pap of our Mainstream. The fear I allude to may, in turn, likely be psycho-culturally related to the general irrationally exaggerated fear of “racism” (as opposed to a rational eschewal of actual racism, which all good men and women should indeed cultivate) that has become fashionably ingrained in the Western psyche over the past half century or so.

        • Mazo says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 1:48 pm

          An intellectually challenged person fantasizing about the spread of Christianity in the hypothetical absence of Islam forgot that other religions like Zoroastrianism, Manichaeism and Buddhism existed in Central Asia, South asia and East Asia and that Zoroastrians were fighting a war against Eastern Christianity before the spread of Islam.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 7:26 pm

          Mazo posted:

          “Zoroastrians were fighting a war against Eastern Christianity before the spread of Islam.”

          The Persians were fighting the Greeks before the Roman Empire became Christian – Alexander, the Great, the 300 at Thermopylae, etc. And yet, you call someone else “intellectually challenged”… Tsk, tsk…

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          Mazo talks about Zoroastrianism and Buddhism, without mentioning that his pious coreligionists are oppressing and slaughtering them as we speak. Damned barbarian.

        • Mazo says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 5:39 pm

          Shriveled brain man, the Zoroastrian Sassanian Persians and the Christians Eastern Roman Empire were fighting an explicit religious war against each other’s religions. What does this have to do with the straw man of the Achaemenids and Alexander?

          So Arab pagans fought many wars, now modern Arab wars have nothing to do with Islam according to your logic.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 6:08 pm

          The maz-hole posted:

          “Shriveled brain man, the Zoroastrian Sassanian Persians and the Christians Eastern Roman Empire were fighting an explicit religious war against each other’s religions. What does this have to do with the straw man of the Achaemenids and Alexander?”

          The Greco-Persian and Roma-Persian wars begun before Christianity came into play as the expected result of two powerful empires coming face to face. Pretending, like you were, that it was “a war against Eastern Christianity” is a gross mischaracterization of events, but it’s exactly what we’ve come to expect from muslim trolls such as you. Although frankly, seeing the dishonesty and anti-Christian hate emanating from you on other threads, I wouldn’t be surprised if you tried to claim that the Greeks and pre-Christianity Romans who fought the Persians centuries before Christianity came into play were Christians and that those wars were all about Christianity.

          “So Arab pagans fought many wars, now modern Arab wars have nothing to do with Islam according to your logic.”

          That’s not according to my logic, it’s a strawman you’re trying to pass as being based on my logic while trying to defend the indefensible. My logic is that powerful empires from the East (Persians) and West (Greeks and Romans) fought for centuries before Christianity even existed and that those conflicts carried on after Christianity became the dominating religion on the Roman Empire. That you try to ignore the whole history and present it as a “a war against Eastern Christianity” is just silly – if it was really a “a war against Eastern Christianity” how do you account the centuries of conflict before Christianity came into play?

        • Mazo says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 11:05 pm

          Anal-mon, the Zoroastrian Sassanids explicitly targeted Christianity and persecuted Christians in Armenia, and deliberately attacked the relic of the True Cross in Jerusalem in addition to setting their Jewish allies loose to massacre Christians throughout the Levant.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 1:42 pm

          the maz-hole posted:

          “Anal-mon, the Zoroastrian Sassanids explicitly targeted Christianity and persecuted Christians in Armenia, and deliberately attacked the relic of the True Cross in Jerusalem in addition to setting their Jewish allies loose to massacre Christians throughout the Levant.”

          Huh, so what? That doesn’t negate anything I said: the wars between Greeks (and later Romans) and Persians, powerful empires who came face-to-face, predated the advent of Christianity and carried on afterwards.

  2. Peggy says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    This is so obviously deliberate. Our western governments are destroying our contries and not because they are ignorant but because they a towing the line. They have their orders and unless people decide to rebel and start revolutions now, it will be too late.
    This will not stop so we have to stop it.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 3:38 am

      “We will utilise mass immigration and multiculturalism to destroy the nation states of Europe.
      Because unless we destroy them we cannot politically control them.”
      Peter Sutherland, UN spokesman on migration
      https://katana17.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/paul-weston-how-to-destroy-a-country

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 8:47 am

        That “quote” is found EXCLUSIVELY on one website, which describes itself thus:

        This blog is about providing information on how White societies are being deliberately destroyed by organized jewry’s multi-generational psychopathic intent to create a jewish tyranny over the rest of humanity, called the Jew World Order. Organized jewry has carried out and is carrying out a whole range of acts that in total show that they are at war with the rest of humanity in general and at war with Whites in particular.

        In other words, 100% rabid Nazi Jew-hatred, complete with made-up quotes. Why don’t you get lost. I doubt that Robert Spencer wants Nazis on his website.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 10:54 am

          Until your last comment I thought perhaps you were smart Sam! Your conclusion blaming everything on the Jews is completely illogical. The Dark Ages had everything to do with Islam. When Rome fell there was a vaccuum and Paganism was still in use but without Roman law was barbaric. Take the Druids just as a start. Will we ever recover from a New Dark Age? There is one way to deal with Muslim immigrants, we take only women and children. The men send them back or force conversion to Christianity in the same way Islam forced conversion to ISLAM. Only we being civilized ship them out of Prison Ships to go fight with ISIS back home. WE do not need Muslim males whose IQ is 70 and below with testosterone levels off the wall. If this mob of men fight shoot to kill and have no conscience we have to stop this marauding scum from destroying our civilizations and if the UN interferes then we ignore them.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 11:01 am

          Sam misread your comment, apologies thought I read the above quote was yours.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 1:02 pm

          No worries Vivienne, it happens to the best of us 😉

        • RonaldB says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 1:07 pm

          To: Vivian Havalent:
          “…we take only women and children. ”

          The women and children have all the genetic composition of the dysfunctional Muslim tribes, societies, and countries: genetic homogeneity, rampant avoidable recessive genetic flaws, low intelligence, predisposition to violence, low frustration tolerance.

          We do not need any of these people in our country.

          I do NOT advocate harming Muslims in Muslim countries. I feel strong regret that the US was involved in destroying the somewhat functional dictatorships of Iraq, Syria, and Libya, which brutally enforced the stability that nevertheless prevented millions of Muslims (and Christians) from being slaughtered in tribal and sect disputes. Ethically, we have no right to take actions harming Muslims in Muslim countries unless directly threatened.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          To Sam Hawkins – Curious, I clicked on the link to what you characterize as “…100% rabid Nazi Jew-hatred, complete with made-up quotes.” And, as self-appointed JW censor, you suggest to the commenter Michael Copeland “Why don’t you get lost. I doubt that Robert Spencer wants Nazis on his website.” This is not the first time you’ve invited a JW contributor to leave the premises, Sam.

          Imagine my surprise when I clicked on the YouTube video referenced by Michael Copeland and watched an astute and articulate Paul Weston, leader of the English Liberty Party, describe EXACTLY how the left is in fact destroying conservatism, religion, ethics and Western values and the British democracy through, in significant part, Political Correctness and MultiCulturalism.

          Everything he describes in his 30-minute talk, “How to Destroy a Nation” is happening right now, in America just exactly as in Britain. What Paul Weston has to say is compelling and instructive, and there is absolutely nothing anti-Semitic in what he says. In fact, Jews were not mentioned at all, not once. It was all about the Liberals, Marxians and communists, and their relentless and comprehensive destruction of Western values and culture.

          I recommend watching this 30-minute video if you want to see crystallized what is happening to Britain, and to America at the hands of Marxian Leftists who, through tactics familiar to us all, promote Islamization and destruction of sovereignty, and replace democratic government with totalitarian, fascist control.

          So, Sam, why don’t you just pack up your hubris and take a hike! Cheers! Quotha R

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 5:38 pm

          So, Sam, why don’t you just pack up your hubris and take a hike! Cheers! Quotha R

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Meanwhile, quotha demonstrates her own “hubris” by now asking Sam, to leave. Things that make you go hmm …

          Hey what happened to your petition, on another thread, that NO ONE be asked to leave? Yep, things that make you go hmm …

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 5:48 pm

          Come on, Champ! Did you not understand that I said that ironically? I’ve already chided Sam for trying to get people to cease and desist their participation in the discourse here at JW, suggesting that his delicate sensibilities are interfering with the fundamentals of free speech. Cheers! Quotha

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 5:59 pm

          Well, “ironically” this is the second time that quotha has asked Sam to leave. So no, I did not find her request the least bit ..ironic.

          Cheers! …and all that jazz 🙂

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:12 pm

          Well, Champ, I regret that my ironic voice fails to shine through my response to Sam. I suppose to be perfectly clear, I should resort to “sarc off” in future. I thought my arguments for inclusion spoke for themselves. I don’t want Sam to be denied a voice here, any more than I wish to see any other voices, even trolls, banished. Have I now made myself clear? Or would you just prefer to read my mind the way you want to, no matter what I say or how I defend freedom of expression?

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:24 pm

          Champ – I responded to Sam’s invitation that Voegelinian find himself another site on which to post his thoughts by suggesting (ironically) that Sam’s sensibilities were perhaps too delicate for this venue. And today, Sam has again proposed that a commentor here – Michael Copeland – vamoose. So I responded again to Sam, referencing his status as self-appointed censor for JW which to me suggests hubris. I’ve nothing more to say on this subject. If I’ve not managed to make my intentions clear, then so be it. Cheers! qr

        • Angemon says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:29 pm

          quotha raven posted:

          “And today, Sam has again proposed that a commentor here – Michael Copeland – vamoose.”

          Here’s my reading of what happened:

          Mr. Copeland linked to a site containing a transcription of one of Paul Weston’s speeches. Sam pointed out that the site described itself as “providing information on how White societies are being deliberately destroyed by organized jewry’s multi-generational psychopathic intent to create a jewish tyranny over the rest of humanity, called the Jew World Order.“, assumed that was an accurate reflection of Mr. Copeland’s opinion and told him “Why don’t you get lost. I doubt that Robert Spencer wants Nazis on his website.”

          Frankly, I don’t think that Mr. Copeland or Mr. Weston are anti-Jewish or Nazis. I think Mr. Copeland simply did a google search for “transcript of paul weston how to destroy a country” and posted the first result. Sam seems like a recent addition to the JW commentator pool and is, therefore, unacquainted to Mr. Copeland’s posting history, so he looked at the site and assumed the worst. For completion’s sake, it’s written on that site that:

          Paul Weston describes what organized jewry has done to destroy Britain. Yet he doesn’t name the jew, the real cause, only content to name jewish proxies that carry out the destruction. Eventually he will have to confront and tell the truth of jewish power and their central role in causing all the symptoms he describes.

          The solution to the problems that Weston describes is very plain. He needs to name the cause, the root cause behind our on-going racial and social destruction: organized jewry.

          That should make it clear that Mr. Weston made no allusion to “DA JOOOOSSSS” or said anything that could be perceived as anti-Jewish. Unfortunately, Mr. Weston can’t do anything about unsavory folk trying to use his videos and speeches to further their own agenda (I believe Pat Condell faces the same problem – his videos criticizing islam were co-opted by racist groups, and in one of his videos he told those groups to get lost because he wanted nothing to do with them).

          As for what Sam said in this particular instance, let’s just say that he’s not the first one here to tell a (perceived) Nazi (and again, I don’t think Mr. Copeland is anti-Jewish or Nazi, as far as I can tell his only “crime” was not knowing the site he linked to) to GTFO, and he used much softer language than others in the past. Going from (what I gather to be) two cases to claiming he’s a self-appointed censor seems quite the leap of logic, especially given his mild-mannered tone and the existence of others to whom such a title would fit like a second skin, as they’ve proved over and over.

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:17 pm

          Rather than using a “sarc” tag, how about you STOP asking Sam to find another forum. How about THAT for an idea?

          Clear enough?

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:52 pm

          I’ve nothing more to say on this subject.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Works for me! 🙂

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:28 pm

          “I responded to Sam’s invitation that Voegelinian find himself another site on which to post his thoughts”

          Yes, I also responded, by quietly consigning it to the round file on the floor beside my desk…

          On the Paul Weston video — Paul Weston is the guy who got arrested in England merely for standing in a public place and reading Winston Churchill’s words aloud.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:24 pm

          Angemon 8:29 PM–

          I’ll have to take your word that “Michael Copeland” is not a Nazi. But if he is not a Nazi, what explains that he

          — did not check the veracity of the alleged quotation from a “UN spokesman on migration”? Very quickly, he would have seen that it appears only on this particular website … and

          — did not then look into the credentials of the site he was linking to, which would have revealed that it is a 100% Nazi rabid Jew-hating pile of filth?

          Due Diligence 101, the absolute minimum of care that should be required of anyone participating in a discussion among adults: check names, check quotes, look before you link.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:01 am

          Sam Hawkins posted:

          “I’ll have to take your word that “Michael Copeland” is not a Nazi. But if he is not a Nazi, what explains that he

          — did not check the veracity of the alleged quotation from a “UN spokesman on migration”? Very quickly, he would have seen that it appears only on this particular website … and

          — did not then look into the credentials of the site he was linking to, which would have revealed that it is a 100% Nazi rabid Jew-hating pile of filth?

          Due Diligence 101, the absolute minimum of care that should be required of anyone participating in a discussion among adults: check names, check quotes, look before you link.”

          Like I said before, the only explanation I can come up with is that he simply posted the first result that popped out on google for “Paul Weston how to destroy a country transcript”. Even that site goes out of its way to say that Weston is wrong in not blaming the jews asbeing behind all the things he points out.

          As for the quote from the UN spokesperson, that’s from Weston’s speech. Michael Copeland is a member of the “Liberty GB” party, and often links to their site and articles. He’s also a contributor on their site, and I doubt a Nazi would decry islamic anti-semitism as Copeland does in this article:

          http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6291-islam-colonial-imperialism-and-racist-supremacism

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:49 pm

          Angemon 10:01 am–

          I have no idea who Paul Weston is, but if he maintains some form of voluntary association with this “katana 17” Nazi website then he is not worth my time.

          So, the quote from the “UN spokesman on migration” originates from Paul Weston? Which my search engine was unable to find anywhere in the World Wide Web but on “katana 17”? How likely is it that Mr. Weston did NOT fabricate the quotation?

          And then why would any serious person take someone like that seriously?

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:31 pm

          Sam Hawkins posted:

          “I have no idea who Paul Weston is, but if he maintains some form of voluntary association with this “katana 17” Nazi website then he is not worth my time.”

          Paul Weston is another member of the Liberty GB party and, as far as I can tell, he doesn’t have any association with “katana 17” or any other Nazi website – as far as I can tell, they took his video, made a transcription and added that Paul was wrong in not blaming the Jews.

          “So, the quote from the “UN spokesman on migration” originates from Paul Weston?”

          It’s on his speech, and therefore on the transcription.

          “Which my search engine was unable to find anywhere in the World Wide Web but on “katana 17”? How likely is it that Mr. Weston did NOT fabricate the quotation?”

          I don’t know whether or not he fabricated the quotation, but if he was paraphrasing, and if you’re looking for that exact sentence, then the only exact matches would be sites containing a transcription of his speech – which, as I postulated, was probably what Copeland searched and how he came across that site.

          “And then why would any serious person take someone like that seriously?”

          That’s beside the point I was making in the first place, my point being that Mr. Copeland (and Mr. Weston for that matter) does not have a history of anti-semitism or Nazi sympathies. Neither of them can be held responsible for what third parties do with their articles/videos, and while Mr. Copeland’s link to that specific website is unfortunate and could be given to wrong interpretations, or even exploited by political adversaries, I believe, given his history here, that it is nothing more than an unfortunate overlook on his part – he gave an excerpt of a speech made by someone he knows and, instead of giving a 30 minute YT clip, he looked for a transcription of the video and linked to it. Many of his posts here follow that pattern – quote, source and link, if available:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/syria-assad-orders-release-of-revised-quran-to-stop-distortion#comment-1269551

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/paris-muslim-overturns-restaurant-tables-shouts-people-cant-eat-its-ramadan/comment-page-1#comment-1264680

          Of course, you’re free not to believe any of that.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 9:05 pm

          To Sam Hawkins, who sez: “I have no idea who Paul Weston is, but if he maintains some form of voluntary association with this “katana 17” Nazi website then he is not worth my time.”

          Paul Weston is not a nazi, nor an anti-semite, nor an Islam apologist. He is an English gent who loves his country and is trying to wrest out out of the mouths of the mad dogs, weaklings and fools in Parliament who run it. He has, I assure you, NOTHING to do with the pernicious site where you found his speech. Paul Weston was the head of the British Freedom Party until 2013. He is politically a conservative/libertarian. Here is a partial description of the BFP from Wikipedia where, if you’re interested, you can read more.

          “The stated objectives of the British Freedom Party are “to defend and restore the freedoms, traditions, unity, identity, democracy and independence of the British people, to establish full sovereignty over all our national affairs by restoring the supremacy of the British Parliament, to withdraw from the European Union, to promote democratic British nationalist principles, to promote the social, economic, environmental and cultural interests of the British people and to preserve and promote the ancestral rights and liberties of the British people as defined in the British
          Constitution.”[14]

          “The party also gives a 20 Point Plan[15] on its main website highlighting some of its key policies. They range from economic to social issues”

          Sam, Paul Weston is not someone you need fear; he’s probably someone whose ideas you’d embrace if you knew him better. Cheers! Quotha R

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:36 pm

        quotha raven = sockpuppet of voegelinian, the convoluted language is the giveaway.

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 7:17 pm

          I agree!!

        • Angemon says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:32 pm

          Sam Hawkins posted:

          “quotha raven = sockpuppet of voegelinian, the convoluted language is the giveaway.”

          Doubt it. QR’s language, is crystal clear, easy to follow and overall, sticking to whatever point QR happens to be making.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:19 pm

          Thanks, Angemon. I think how you recapped and interpreted the deteriorating communication among me and Sam and Champ is accurate. How I ended up being a sock puppet with a double standard is a little extreme, but socks are actually…kinda cozy))) and a double standard must be twice as good as a single standard, right? SARC OFF!!!!

          I went to the offending site that started the whole kerfuffle and saw a transcript of a video with an option to see the 30-minute video. I chose the latter, in which Paul Weston made no allusion whatsoever to Jews. You’re right that his video and transcript were probably hijacked by an offensive site. Paul Weston is a gem!

          I agree that to call Sam a self-appointed censor is exaggerated, hyperbole. Sam is civil and quiet-spoken. I believe I referred to his invitation to Voeg to voluntarily seek out another venue for his thoughts as “carefully worded”, but it was nonetheless just that – a suggestion that he go away.

          You may disagree, Angemon, (LOL…she said, holding her breath), but I would hate to lose impossibly long-winded, bombastic, infinitely stubborn ole Voeg. He may be a diamond in the rough, but he comes up with some interesting, if sometimes poorly-expressed, thoughts, and he introduced me to (along with many delicious words I’ve had to look up to appreciate) the concept of “ethical narcissism”, which still makes me grin with delight. So if I overreacted, and I may have, it was because I’d hate to see Voeg disappear.

          Cheers! and thanks again for taking the trouble to try to defuse a volatile and gnarly exchange. Quotha R

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:31 am

          quotha raven posted:

          “You may disagree, Angemon, (LOL…she said, holding her breath), but I would hate to lose impossibly long-winded, bombastic, infinitely stubborn ole Voeg. He may be a diamond in the rough, but he comes up with some interesting, if sometimes poorly-expressed, thoughts, and he introduced me to (along with many delicious words I’ve had to look up to appreciate) the concept of “ethical narcissism”, which still makes me grin with delight.”

          We’ll have to agree to disagree on that. The “tl;dr” version* is that voeg is a socially inept bully who hides behind a “better than though” persona and uses it to treat anyone who’s not a total sycophant like trash. It doesn’t help that he’s frustrated for not having his own army of brownshirts, ready to storm in and peer pressure others into silence for criticizing him. And there’s only so many times anyone can read what I call his “replies without answers” before realizing he’s not actually rebutting criticism. What do I mean by “replies without answers”? Here’s an example: I recently called him out on his “Leftists see muslims as brown people regardless of their skin colour” – I asked him to give evidence to his assertion. His reply was:

          It’s an inference based upon a mountain of data which Angemon all these years remains strangely oblivious. Indeed, he’s standing in the shadow of that mountain right now, with this article here that reports the phenomenon which Jihad Watch has reported thousands of times over the years in different permutations.

          Now, I don’t see any article in JW where a leftist says “I perceive any and all muslims as being brown people despite of their skin colour” (or any permutation of it) despite voeg’s claim that there are “thousands”. So he pressed the “Reply” link, he wrote something but he didn’t answer my question – all he did was reword the “because I say so” logic.

          Also, that whole “mountain , thousands over years” thing? You’re going to see that a lot – he has 5 or 6 canned replies that he recycles over and over.

          Given that he spends most of his time here deriding and lying about other users (including forefront figures of the CJ movement like Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Jamie Glazov, etc.) I wouldn’t shed a tear if he were banned (again) tomorrow.

          *I can give you the full details, but it would likely require more than one post and it would certainly require moderation since I’d give plenty of links to back my assertions.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:45 pm

          I’d say that Sam Hawkins is the sock puppet of Philip Jihadski, except that I don’t think it would be possible for PJ to manage his Anger so well…

        • Angemon says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:55 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “I’d say that Sam Hawkins is the sock puppet of Philip Jihadski, except that I don’t think it would be possible for PJ to manage his Anger so well…”

          But remember: according to the “Voegelinian Narrative That Must Not Be Questioned, Like, Ever”, Philip Jihadski – who hasn’t posted in several weeks – is always the “attacker” while voeg is always the “attacked”…

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:33 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          Doubt it. QR’s language, is crystal clear, easy to follow and overall, sticking to whatever point QR happens to be making.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Angemon, I must repectfully disagree with you, and I wholly agree with Sam. I am having some rather “convoluted” exchanges here with quotha, and the experience is tiresome and not a pleasant one, at all. Quotha keeps *twisting* what I had initially written to him/her; which by definition is convoluted. I only wish that his/her comments to me were less convoluted, and easier to follow, as you propose.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 9:38 am

          Champ posted:

          “Angemon, I must repectfully disagree with you, and I wholly agree with Sam. I am having some rather “convoluted” exchanges here with quotha, and the experience is tiresome and not a pleasant one, at all. Quotha keeps *twisting* what I had initially written to him/her; which by definition is convoluted. I only wish that his/her comments to me were less convoluted, and easier to follow, as you propose.”

          Quotha can write a, let’s say, 10 word sentence without splicing in 40 or 50 words ranting about something else, a la voeg – Quotha is not high on himself like voeg. Besides, voeg let enough clues around for us to postulate what an alt of him would sound like:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/boston-marathon-jihad-murderers-mother-non-muslims-will-burn-in-flames-of-an-eternal-and-terrifying-fire-an-otherworldly-flame-inshaallah/comment-page-2#comment-1241263

          (cue in voeg ranting about unrelated issues regarding other users on that thread)

          I believe if voeg were to use an alt, he’d use it to curse like someone raised by a sailor and a truck driver at all those who have “wronged” him. Quotha may have a fondness for/bias regarding voeg, but I don’t think he’s voeg’s alt – we’ll have to agree to disagree on that particular point 🙂

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:07 am

          “He may be a diamond in the rough” …

          Sorry, but there’s no “diamond” hidden beneath voeg’s tough exterior. If there were, then we would’ve seen it by now. What you see, is what you get …

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:11 am

          Oh, right! Even a sock puppet can appreciate how discerning and smart you are! Nothing subjective about your observations! Cheers! Quo…er…Voeg’s sock puppet

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 1:05 am

          To Champ, who sez, referring to the venerable, controversial and long-winded Voegelinian, in an ongoing and deteriorating discussion about sock puppets and double standards and I’m not sure what else:

          “there’s no “diamond”…If there were, then we would’ve seen it by now.”

          and

          “Sorry to burst your bubble, quotha, but there is no “diamond” lurking beneath the surface.”

          Does it ever occur to you that not everybody sees everything exactly the same way? I may, and probably do, judging from recent disclosures from you, see things, ideas and people differently from the way you see them. I know it seems outrageous, but there it is. Anyway, I’m a sock puppet, so I don’t do bubbles, so stop being sorry about “bursting” mine. It’ll never be a problem! Cheers! qr
          p.s. diamonds rarely, if ever, “lurk”. Just FYI

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:20 am

          Sorry to burst your bubble, quotha, but there is no “diamond” lurking beneath the surface. I’ve known voeg for 10 years now–and trust me–what you see, is what you get, and it ain’t pretty.

          LIve in la-la-land, if you must, and continue hoping for that “diamond”, but I prefer facing the facts …

          Hey been there–done that–with that clown.

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 1:18 am

          Well, you actually kiss his ass–which is much more honest than calling you a sock puppet. Got any good ones for being an ass kisser? C’mon I’m sure you do! And who would ever accuse YOU of being emotional? Can’t imagine …

          Hey here’s a disingenuous “Cheers” backatcha!

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 1:35 am

          Waiting quotha …

          C’mon you’re such a quick wit, so I thought you would’ve responded by now. And you are REALLY good at poking fun at yourself, so I’m looking forward to your reply! Yeah I could learn a thing or two from you, sug! 🙂

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:56 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          I believe if voeg were to use an alt, he’d use it to curse like someone raised by a sailor and a truck driver at all those who have “wronged” him. Quotha may have a fondness for/bias regarding voeg, but I don’t think he’s voeg’s alt – we’ll have to agree to disagree on that particular point 🙂

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Angemon, I concede that quotha is not voeg’s sock puppet: alt ego.

          My first thought was that a “sock puppet” is someone that strokes someone else’s ego no matter what; but in fact, a sock puppet, by definition, is an alt ego. So I agree that this is not the case.

          However, I do think that quotha strokes voeg’s ego, and at times even kisses his ass, so I won’t change my mind about that.

          And I still agree with Sam that quotha can make some very convoluted statements. By definition, convoluted can ALSO mean:
          2. intricately folded, twisted, or coiled

          So, yes, I can see why Sam stated that quotha makes convoluted statements; since I observe the same from her myself, and she used this tactic on me. Whether she used this tactic intentionally, I do not know, but she definitely *twisted* some of the things I wrote to her, making my exchange with her tiresome and unpleasant.

          Take care.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:55 pm

          Champ posted:

          “My first thought was that a “sock puppet” is someone that strokes someone else’s ego no matter what; but in fact, a sock puppet, by definition, is an alt ego. So I agree that this is not the case.

          However, I do think that quotha strokes voeg’s ego, and at times even kisses his ass, so I won’t change my mind about that.

          And I still agree with Sam that quotha can make some very convoluted statements. By definition, convoluted can ALSO mean:
          2. intricately folded, twisted, or coiled

          So, yes, I can see why Sam stated that quotha makes convoluted statements; since I observe the same from her myself, and she used this tactic on me. Whether she used this tactic intentionally, I do not know, but she definitely *twisted* some of the things I wrote to her, making my exchange with her tiresome and unpleasant.”

          Ah, so we were working under different assumptions for the same words so we were both right and wrong at the same time 😀

          “Take care.”

          You too, Champ. Best wishes for the little ones 🙂

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 3:12 pm

          Okay quotha raven, you are not voegelinian’s sock puppet. Even though your screen name includes a kind of bird and the “voegel” part in v’s screen name is German for “birds” (I know, of course, that Voegelin was some famous theologian but life is too short to bother to find out more.)

          You are his meat puppet. Meaning, you suck up to him all the time and try to imitate his bombastic style, studding your posts with hoity-toity words like “vamoose”. However, no one comes close to v. in driving down the Flesh-Kincaid readability score, not even you. I should have been more observant and for this I apologize.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 9:15 pm

          To Sam Hawkins, who sez, “voegel” part in v’s screen name is German for “birds”

          Actually it’s not. “bird” in German is “vogel”, without an “e”. God is in the details, Sam.

          You also say, with reference to my writing chops, “studding your posts with hoity-toity words like “vamoose”

          You can’t be expected to know this, but “vamoose” is what my dad used to yell at the dogs when he wanted them to get out of the garden. Maybe you would find my dad “hoity-toity” LOL, but I doubt it.

          Cheers! Quotha R

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 5:16 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          Ah, so we were working under different assumptions for the same words so we were both right and wrong at the same time ?

          “Take care.”

          You too, Champ. Best wishes for the little ones 🙂

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Yeah–so we were, lol!

          And thank you, Angemon! All the best to you and yours! 🙂

        • voegelin says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 6:47 pm

          the “voegel” part in v’s screen name is German for “birds”

          Let’s see, where’s my Cassell’s German Dictionary… ah good, I’m not Albert Finney who had to worry in Shoot the Moon that his ex-wiife Diane Keaton would get not only the house but also Cassell’ses… Yes, die Voegel (or die Vögel) is “birds”; while die Voegelin is “a little (female) bird” — in another context, the easy prey of Hawks… but here, may veer freer as a gadfly…

          “…(I know, of course, that Voegelin was some famous theologian but life is too short to bother to find out more.)…

          Eric Voegelin (1901-1985) was actually a philosopher who on one level considered the distinction between philosopher and theologian to be a specious symptom of the breakdown of classical philosophy beginning in the High Middle Ages (though naturally he’s categorized in Wikipedia as a “political philosopher”).

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 6:51 pm

          the “voegel” part in v’s screen name is German for “birds”

          Let’s see, where’s my Cassell’s German Dictionary… ah good, I’m not Albert Finney who had to worry in Shoot the Moon that his ex-wiife Diane Keaton would get not only the house but also Cassell’ses… Yes, die Voegel (or die Vögel) is “birds”; while die Voegelin is “a little (female) bird” — in another context, the easy prey of Hawks… but here, a little freer to veer as a gadfly…

          “…(I know, of course, that Voegelin was some famous theologian but life is too short to bother to find out more.)…

          Eric Voegelin (1901-1985) was actually a philosopher who on one level considered the distinction between philosopher and theologian to be a specious symptom of the breakdown of classical philosophy beginning in the High Middle Ages (though naturally he’s categorized in Wikipedia as a “political philosopher”).

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 9:18 pm

          Actually it’s not. “bird” in German is “vogel”, without an “e”.

          The word in German is spelled with an umlaut — Vögel — which is often transliterated in English as “Voegel”

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      If anyone wonders what I mean by the “Real Problemers”, they can’t do better than read Peggy’s comment of August 23, 2015 at 8:22 pm. Or, for example, Huck Folder’s comment from another thread, who wrote, for example:

      politicians who are deliberately destroying the previously tolerant indigene culture, in favor of an alien intolerant cult of nihilism,* the rabid FASCISTS who claim to be ‘anti-fascist’.

      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/the-sad-case-of-mogens-camre-criminalizing-dissent-in-denmark/comment-page-1#comment-1283929

      I see such spasms and ejaculations of alienation with discomfitting regularity in the online Counter-Jihad. Oftentimes I feel the person expressing such rhetoric isn’t quite as extreme as his or her rhetoric would logically imply (that’s another problem unfortunately common — people avoiding responsibility for the logical purport of their own words; where, in this general case, the purport is that the sociopolitical structures of our West are evil because the ruling class (no longer a small elite as in the Middle Ages, but a vast demographic of millions of people) are knowingly supporting the evil of Islam) — though many a person whose rhetoric routinely heavily implies this would shrink back when confronted by the logic of their expressions.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 5:51 pm

        To Champ – I am unfamiliar with the petition on another thread to which you refer, but from what you say, I’d probably support it. qr

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:02 pm

          This comment and thread:

          quotha raven says
          August 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm

          To Voeg, who sez

          “I wouldn’t say Wow about a phenomenon that has been repeated with mind-numbing regularity in a multitude of different ways throughout the entire West for at least the past 15 years (with regard to Islam — and prior to that for several decades with regard to “ethnic minorities”)”.

          Absolutely right. But maybe APF doesn’t mean “wow” as in “WOW”, but only that little whispered “wow” – NOT in italics (yours) – one might say when pondering the latest specific instance of this pernicious international phenomenon to be reported here at JW. From his long history of cogent comments here, I don’t think APF is exactly surprised about what transpired in Denmark.

          AND, Voeg, while I’m aware “you rub….people the wrong way,” I hope you will ignore Sam Hawkins’s carefully phrased suggestion above that you find yourself “a more compatible blog” in which to comment. However inadvertently, he is suggesting that dissident voices be gently nudged from here to a place where there is less opposition to them and, of course, less exposure of those voices to him (or us).

          Sam’s suggestion and the thinking behind it indicates hubris and an intolerance, if not outright antagonism, to differing opinions that may bruise – or inform – the sensibilities of those who think alike…known in some circles as sheep, preaching to the choir. NON!

          Readers and commenters here have thick enough skins – some of your critics, included – to soldier on, agreeing, disagreeing and, most importantly, contributing to the discussion this site affords.

          Far from being a Johnny One Note, Voeg, you address a number of complex aspects of jihad, the western response to it and the pernicious Politically Correct MultiCultural patients and “ethical narcissism”; many would be deprived of serious, authentic, thoughtful ideas put forth by you about these and other critically important concepts and occurrences, were you to skidaddle to a cozier, less bombastic venue. What can Sam be thinking?

          From my point of view, your remarks are well-placed, valuable and largely appreciated, even if disagreed with, here on JW, and you seem quite able to defend yourself in those matters at which some spirited and perfectly articulate (even though sometimes a trace of foam can be detected at the corners of their mouths) take umbrage.

          Disagreement is the essence of free speech, absolutely fundamental to it. If the back and forth here is too much for Sam’s delicate sensibilities, maybe it is he who should seek out a kinder, gentler venue.

          Cheers! Quotha R

          Here:
          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/the-sad-case-of-mogens-camre-criminalizing-dissent-in-denmark/comment-page-1#comments

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:52 pm

          Champ – That link is to the article on JW, “The Sad Case of Mogens Camre: Criminalizing Dissent in Denmark” and I did not include it with my comment. I stand by what I said in the comment. I sense that I am being drawn – again – into your antagonism towards another commenter – Voegelinian. I’m so not there. All I can say at this point is…Jump back, Loretta!))))) Cheers! Quotha R

          p.s. btw, I don’t know how this happened, but the last post I made indicated that I was logged into JW as “Champ”:0 I kid you not))) I read Mirren 10 and others have experienced similar odd quirks lately. What gives? Why you?

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 7:16 pm

          Assume whatever you want …

          Hey wanna know the real reason *I* addressed you? Ok, thanks for asking. It was not to pull you into the voeg drama–but because of your glaring double-standard! And if you don’t think that you have a double standard, then I can’t help you there …

          But for the record that’s why I called you out.

          Again, *assume* whatever the hell you want.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 8:21 pm

          To Champ – For goodness sake! I have posted hundreds of comments on JW through the years. Recently, I responded to Sam’s separate calls for two different commenters to go away. My message to Sam on both occasions was tongue in cheek, basically “if you can’t take the heat, step out of the kitchen.” And now I’m a “Voegelinian sock puppet”??? I have never suggested – except on these two occasions, and in these cases ironically – that anyone be banned or leave JW as a commenter.

          I do not have a double standard with regard to freedom of speech, and I particularly revere freedom of political speech. I’m not a defender of Voeg – who has demonstrated that he can capably defend himself – but. rather, of his right to express himself just as he wants to, espousing whatever methods and theories he cares to expose JW readers to. Ditto the other guy, and Sam Hawkins, too. Except for his invitations commenters to leave the site, his comments are usually thoughtful and reasoned, a positive contribution to JW. How you choose to portray me is made-up rubbish. Sock Puppet, indeed! LOL.

          And, btw, “assume” is something I almost never do. My training and career is all about objectivity and analysis. Not to say I’m not emotional, or that emotion doesn’t sometimes color what I say, but “assuming” is just something that I don’t want to include in my repertoire of reactions, so I am careful to avoid it. Trust me, I assume nothing about you or anybody else I encounter. Cheers! qr

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:25 pm

          Quotha,

          “Disagreement is the essence of free speech, absolutely fundamental to it. If the back and forth here is too much for Sam’s delicate sensibilities, maybe it is he who should seek out a kinder, gentler venue.”

          Yes; I could never understand the mentality that translates disagreement into censorship. It becomes doubly baffling when its implications emanate from non-Leftists, since it is a tendency that Leftists like to indulge, to shut down disagreement by fascistic censorship. When I complain about opinions, I am not calling for them to be silenced, nor am I implying any such thing; I am merely rolling up my shirtsleeves, getting into the fray and mixing it up robustly. But people who think that way will detect such an implication in others where it does not exist.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:34 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Yes; I could never understand the mentality that translates disagreement into censorship. (…) When I complain about opinions, I am not calling for them to be silenced, nor am I implying any such thing”

          He said, probably keeping a straight face, despite harassing people via email, telling them to come to JW and bully me, PJ, and anyone else who criticizes him, into silence.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 9:51 pm

          Yes Quotha my Sock Puppet, also not too long ago you and I had an important disagreement about my term “asymptotic”. I just concocted that disagreement so that I could perpetuate the fiction that you and I are different people… Oh, and Justin Bieber is Illuminati…

      • Champ says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        quotha wrote:

        Trust me, I assume nothing about you or anybody else I encounter.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        False …

        quotha wrote this to me:

        “I sense that I am being drawn – again – into your antagonism towards another commenter – Voegelinian. I’m so not there.”

        This is a false statement, since that was NOT my intention at all. So yes, quotha has made a false assumption about me, and it’s right there in black ‘n white. LOL!

        And of course quotha has a double standard: voeg can stay and quotha supports voeg’s freedom to state whatever the heck he wants, even if it’s mean-spirited and mischaractizing others (namely Angemon); whereas Sam should find a “kinder forum” for his own use. Yes, this screams of a double standard. But I don’t expect someone who’s blinded by *love* for voeg’s nonsense to see this glaring contradiction towards another poster: Sam. It’s pretty obvious to me, though.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 10:00 pm

        To Voeg – According to my COLLINS German Dictionary, there is no umlaut over the o in “vogel” (bird). And “vogel” is not pronounced “Veugle” like it would be with one. I had a teacher named Mr Vogelgesang. It is pronounced “vohgel”. Cheers! qr

  3. SoCalMike says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    The American and European Left are in bed with Islamic Jihad.
    We can recognize Islamic Jihad as a war front even though GOVMEDIA deny any connection to Islam to the point of criminalizing anyone who does but less obvious is the ugly reality that the Left in Europe and American are internal war fronts.
    We have to root them out but before that can happen we have to recognize they are in bed with the enemy perhaps in the hope that if the enemies ever obtain nukes so generously provided by Obama and John Kerry ever reach our shores, they think they can make a deal advantageous to saving themselves by selling us out like they are doing right now.
    They will say to the government of Iran or the jihadis “but we helped you. Who will help us now?”
    Like Mohammed the jihadis will respond “hell.”

  4. Timothius says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    Arm yourselves. Your governments have no interest in saving their own rear ends let alone yours. We’re just gonna sit with one thumb up our collective butts and the other in our collective mouths and rotate them every few minutes. These are scary times watching the western world descend into chaos.

  5. gravenimage says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    The invasion of Europe and America

    “What are Muslims fleeing? Shariah law?” Good question.
    ….,………………………..

    This *is* a good question–a crucial one. I believe a handful of Muslims are fleeing Shari’ah law, and do not fully grasp that this is what a full embrace of Islam leads to.

    This would, God knows, be dangerous enough.

    But Robert Spencer is right–most often the invasion of the West *is* being undertaken as a Hijira.

    The Muslim calendar dates to the Hijira, where in the course of a few years the “Prophet” Muhammed took Madina from a multi-cultural and multi-religious city to one where anyone who resisted Islamization was forcibly converted, exiled, enslaved, or murdered outright. In fact, most of those initially exiled were soon attacked and their populations taken as slaves or slaughtered.

    This is *exactly* what Muslims have in store for Europe and the rest of the West–unless we resist.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 2:57 pm

      “But Robert Spencer is right–most often the invasion of the West *is* being undertaken as a Hijira.”

      Most in the Western Mainstream, and many even in the Counter-Jihad, continue to indulge in the notion that Muslims are fleeing hellholes “for a better life”. The main reason for this assumption is the inability to grasp the horror of an entire people being fanatically xenophobic and married to an ideology that has through its religious tradition explicitly scripted a supremacist desideratum of conquest and colonization of all lands & peoples who do not agree with them. Not only do Westerners recoil at the prospect of the sheer numbers of this enemy, but also of their seeming, supposed ethnicity (or wonderful tapestry, mosaic, stir-fry of ethnicities), which semi-consciously triggers the hot buttons of the irrationally exaggerated White Guilt about Colonialism and treatment of non-whites in the West. Both of these factors are powerful inhibitors on rational, casuistic assessment of data.

      Hijra in Reverse?
      http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/02/hijra-in-reverse.html

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 3:03 pm

        Thus, gravenimage’s ” handful of Muslims [who] are fleeing Shari’ah law, and do not fully grasp that this is what a full embrace of Islam leads to” is a datum not only worthless for our #1 priority — the safety of our societies — because we cannot adequately discern the difference between the harmless Muslims and the dangerous Muslims, and because even if harmless Muslims exist, they (and the taqiyya artists indistinguishable among them) tend to predispose us to err on the side of relaxing our suspicion generally — such a datum when proffered as relevant is more likely than not counter-productive, because it tends to reinforce that relaxation of our suspicion (and the relaxation in turn tends to feel good because it helps to assuage our anxiety over being “racist”, an anxiety that many even in the Counter-Jihad have).

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 11:08 pm

          Voegelinian, your “Hijira in Reverse”piece is excellent–and well worth reading. (I had, in fact, read it when you first posted it).

          As for the “handful of Muslims [who] are fleeing Shari’ah law, and do not fully grasp that this is what a full embrace of Islam leads to”, I imagine that among the millions of Muslims that have flooded into the West that such do exist.

          But my use of the term “handful” clearly indicates that I do not consider this cohort, if it exists, to be in any way statistically significant.

          Hence, their existence *is* worthless–or worse, a distraction since so many hopeful Infidels consider them to be the norm.

          Far more common, as you note, are the outright Taqiyya artists who–supeficially, at least–give this impression.

          Here’s a good article on Muslim goals of implementing Shari’ah in America:

          “Here’s What ‘Moderate’ American Muslims Said When Asked About Sharia Law”

          http://toprightnews.com/heres-what-moderate-american-muslims-said-when-asked-about-sharia-law/

          Those commenting are over all a refreshingly Islamo-savvy bunch–and yet, some still express surprise that pious Muslims would want to live in Dar-al-Harb at all–even though the article itself gives the reason.

          I think this is because this whole concept is so completely alien to civilized Infidels that it can be difficult to wrap one’s head around.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:57 pm

          “I think this is because this whole concept is so completely alien to civilized Infidels that it can be difficult to wrap one’s head around.”

          There’s also a profoundly deep-seated feeling in Western culture that assumes everyone must be like us, deep down, that humanity, if not human nature itself, is defined by the standard of the Homo Occidentalis. This tendency is rooted in our great Graeco-Roman/Judaeo-Christian heritage, but has morphed into an irrational distortion of its value, in PC MC. It becomes reckless if not downright suicidal when this tenency to domesticate the Other refers to an Other who doesn’t want to do anything other than destoy our way of life in favor of their way of life, which represents a monstrous antithesis to our civilization.

    • Champ says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 10:10 pm

      Graven, I see that voeg is at it again; and his criticisms of you keep getting more outrageous and less inaccurate. He’s really a bothersome troll.

      • Champ says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 10:11 pm

        correction: less accurate

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 2:36 pm

        Hi Champ. I think Voegelinian often makes some good points, but you are quite right that he is seldom able to restrain himself from insulting his fellow Anti-Jihadists, which is *far* from helpful.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:04 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “Hi Champ. I think Voegelinian often makes some good points, but you are quite right that he is seldom able to restrain himself from insulting his fellow Anti-Jihadists, which is *far* from helpful.”

          Voeg’s seemingly erratic behaviour makes perfect sense if it’s seen not in the light of a fully-fledged member of the CJ movement but in the light of someone who uses the CJ movement as a tool to get their daily fix of ego stroking.

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:40 pm

          Graven wrote:

          Hi Champ. I think Voegelinian often makes some good points, but you are quite right that he is seldom able to restrain himself from insulting his fellow Anti-Jihadists, which is *far* from helpful.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          Hi, Graven. Well, I used to think that voeg made some good points, but not anymore.

          Oftentimes his good points–which are few and far between–generally come at the expense of someone else being made to look stupid by, voeg. And these insults completely *eclipse* any good points voeg attempts to present.

          And of course you are entitled to your own opinion about voeg, but I just don’t see him the same way at all, anymore. More often than not his contributions are–yes, insulting–and they lower the morale and I see that as counterproductive.

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:56 pm

          ps …

          Graven, I see voeg as a verbally abusive person who’s constantly belittling others here, and I for one won’t enable his abuse by supporting or defending him anymore (of course by verbally abusive I mean things he puts in writing).

          Take care, dear friend.

        • Champ says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 5:13 pm

          I wrote:

          Oftentimes his good points–which are few and far between–generally come at the expense of someone else being made to look stupid by, voeg. And these insults completely *eclipse* any good points voeg attempts to present.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          I must correct this statement of mine …

          Actually, when voeg belittles someone else to MAKE his point, then he really isn’t making ANY “good points” at all.

          I needed to change, or clarify, what I wrote; since in truth, voeg really isn’t contributing much in the way of “good points” most of the time.

          If voeg could steer clear of belittling others–to make his point–then I might form a different opinion of him. But to date he just can’t/won’t do that, and by all appearances, voeg just doesn’t give a damn whom he insults, or what I think.

  6. Rob says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    I would like to hear that every Muslim fronting at the border to Europe be asked:
    ‘Don’t you know your are entering Judeo-Christian Europe?
    ‘We are the people you curse and wish dead every time you attend your mosque’
    ‘Give me one reason why you should be allowed entry in the home of these pigs and apes – the worst of people?’
    ‘ooops Just stand aside while we deport (demigrate) another 000 of your coreligionists.

  7. Matthieu Baudin says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    “…Nobody has a “right” to move to a certain country, or to become a citizen of that country, or to receive welfare or some other assistance there – but it seems as though we as a culture and civilization have completely forgotten about these simple facts…”

    Imagine, on the other hand, that we are governed by a pervasive intellectual elite who believe that immigration is a necessary tool for enlightened social transformation; going along with this line of reasoning we would have an opportunity to dilute those nations comprising the Dominant Culture so that they become much closer in character to the Repressed Cultures of the world. Perhaps they have in mind a Utopia that someone like Franz Fannon was dreaming of in the early ’70’s.

    This looks like a present day substitute for the failed grand social experiments in building socialism and creating the new socialist man.

    • Rob says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 12:48 am

      I agree Matthieu
      But hasn’t immigration become a human right in the eyes of the left?

      • Sekigahara says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:19 am

        but only into “Western” countries.

  8. PJG says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    This invasion is not only costly but deadly. Where will this unending tide live? If they can’t be stopped at what were once “borders” who or what can stop them entering our homes and taking what they like, throwing us out if we are in their way?
    Do our authorities realise how potentially deadly this situation is? Do they really fail to imagine that vigilante groups will have to appear to save our homes, our children, our food, our very skin? Do they really think we will put up with this forever until we are driven off our lands without a murmur? Indeed, is this what our authorities actually want? Because it is looking more and more like that every day. It stopped looking like “compassion” quite some time ago; then it began to stop looking simply stupid; now it looks like something else, a plan of a monumentally evil nature, a traitorous conspiracy to destroy an entire civilisation from within by those within.
    Ultimately, resistance is not going to be pretty.
    Whoever hopes to gain from this must not be allowed to succeed.

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 10:28 pm

      It is a mistake to assume a conspiracy for what can be more simply explained as the result of incompetence and fecklessness.

      Well, okay, there is *some* element of conspiracy involved as we know that some Euro pols are getting paid under the table by the Saudis (government or private, it hardly matters — just another form of petrodollar recycling LOL).

      But for the most part, they are simply incompetent, spineless, and totally useless for mustering a spirited defense. In this, they are the spitting image of their constituents, who after all elected them.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 12:34 am

        It’s not a mistake to treat this a conspiracy. It would be a mistake to treat it as just spineless politicians with no stomach for what needs to be done.
        We wouldn’t be in a mess today if decades of corrupt politicians simply stopped accepting Muslims in these numbers for a slong as they have. We wouldn’t need to be brave to tacke this problem because there would be no problem to tackle if they stopped importing more and more Muslims. If it’s not corruption then how do you explain wave after wave of Muslims being herded into our countries but Christians left to die?
        They are also not clueless. They have access to far better intelligence than we ever will and still we see the danger and they don’t????
        It’s not only the current batch of incompetent, clueless, splineless politicians but all the same type of politicians all over western countries for decades now.
        How do you explain that? Coincidence?
        This is a plan put in action a long time ago.

        • Michael Copeland says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 4:08 am

          It is indeed a plan.
          See UN spokesman Peter Sutherland’s words “to destroy the nation states of Europe” above.
          Daniel Cohn-Bendit expressed it:
          “We … must strive to this end that as many foreigners as possible be brought to Germany. If they are in Germany, we must fight for their right to vote. Once we have achieved this, then we have the segment of voters we need to change this republic.”
          http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6352-eu-nation-breaking

        • Richard Löwe says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 11:02 am

          The leaders of Germany’s Greens every once in a while make their plan crystal clear. Joschka Fischer, the stone-throwing loser who became foreign minister once said, that German blood must be diluted through massive immigration. Cem Özdemir, the long-time member of parliament, said that the Mohammedans will rule Germany soon and that there is no Judeo-Christian culture, Many Green ministers repeat that they hate Germany.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 12:36 am

        It’s not a mistake to treat this a conspiracy. It would be a mistake to treat it as just spineless politicians with no stomach for what needs to be done.
        We wouldn’t be in a mess today if decades of corrupt politicians simply stopped accepting Muslims in these numbers for as long as they have. We wouldn’t need to be brave to tackle this problem because there would be no problem to tackle if they stopped importing more and more Muslims. If it’s not corruption then how do you explain wave after wave of Muslims being herded into our countries but Christians left to die?
        They are also not clueless. They have access to far better intelligence than we ever will and still we see the danger and they don’t????
        It’s not only the current batch of incompetent, clueless, spineless politicians but all the same type of politicians all over western countries for decades now.
        How do you explain that? Coincidence?
        This is a plan put in action a long time ago.

      • RonaldB says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 2:13 pm

        “It is a mistake to assume a conspiracy for what can be more simply explained as the result of incompetence and fecklessness…|

        Occam’s Razor: In general, the simplest explanation for all the facts is the best explanation.

        Let me bring in another fact: gun control. leftists universally favor harsh gun control. Why?

        http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/20985-self-defense-in-the-uk-is-illegal

        If leftist bureaucrats and party drones are simply lethargic, then why focus so much energy into disarming the population? And, I don’t believe for a second that armed civilians would have a chance against the professional military and special forces of a modern state.

        For those with a theory of revolutionary government, the means of obtaining a government by decree rather than parliamentary procedure is through tearing down the structure of existing society. Once a state of anarchy and despair is achieved, a revolutionary government can be installed.

        There is a wonderful example of this in the Kubrick movie “Spartacus”. Crassus, the Roman general, is shown to have covertly aided the slave rebellion, up to the point where Rome itself is threatened. Crassus then crushes the slave army, and installs himself as emperor (dictator).

        As with Cassus, the aspiring dictator cannot be seen to directly promote street violence. For this reason, street gangs are tolerated, or even used. The government cannot be seen as directly supporting them, so they are vulnerable to armed, organized citizen groups.

        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/24/packing-heat-in-detroit-motown-residents-answer-police-chief-call-to-arms/

        The universal nature of draconian gun control measures promoted by the very governments that bring in Muslim hoards is, to me, an indication there is more than mere sloth and incompetence.

        The leftists intend to use immigration as a wedge to dissolve the cultural and social structures of Western countries. More important to the leftists, the countries will then come to be governed by bureaus and committees. Leftists see themselves of deserving much more power than they have. The prime talent of leftists is to worm their way into bureaucratic and political structures, so a revolutionary government would thrust the leftists into a power they could not obtain through legitimate means.

        I’m not saying the leftists have correctly assessed Islam. Leftists are on the whole not too bright, overall. But, I think they do have a guiding principle more than just bureaucratic inertia.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:16 am

          To all above debating whether this is a conspiracy or not, I think another salient question to ask is “to what end”? Many Leftists *have* specifically backed untrammeled immigration–but the vision they have for this for the most part is *not* Muslim Jihad and brutal Shari’ah law, or even Narco thuggery.

          I live here in the bluest-of-blue states, the San Francisco Bay Area. When I talk to most of my neighbors, they have an absurd vision of a “multicultural” rainbow utopia–a “multicultural” vision, incidentally, where everyone oddly thinks just the way they do, but with better, cooler ethnic food.

          Never mind the evidence to the contrary, even at this point. Most of them are deep in denial.

          Only a handful of hard-Left nihilists actually want to see the outright destruction of the West.

          None of this makes this any less dangerous–but it does mean that most of these people are more clueless than evil.

          That means they *are* educable–not to minimize the steepness of the learning curve.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 12:30 am

          To Gravenimage – OMG, I totally agree, and I’ve recently moved from MidHudson NYS to the bluest of blue cities…bar SF, of course.. Portland, Oregon, where

          ” When I talk to most of my neighbors, they have an absurd vision of a “multicultural” rainbow utopia–a “multicultural” vision, incidentally, where everyone oddly thinks just the way they do, but with better, cooler ethnic food.”

          is overwhelmingly true. Even my son, who had a LOL “first rate” education and holds a Masters’ Degree, is I fear beyond repair.

          Some years ago he called me from a Berkeley phone booth, where he described a complete riot happening all around him, including cops and sighted guns amongst the demonstrators for some environmental cause, I forget what. He was somewhere between uneasy and terrified! But even that experience did not rescue him from the propaganda he was fed in copious amounts at the schools I sent him to!

          Soldier on, Graven! Cheers! Quotha R

    • Rob says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 12:53 am

      Thomas Sowell the US economist stated that the rights afforded to illegal migrants to the US as like a burglar breaking into your house and you being forced by the authorities to provide him with a room.
      Slowly the tide is turning even such places as Sweden.

  9. Edgar Allen says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    I see a lot of typing here. I don’t see demonstrations in the streets. Keep typing and nothing will happen. Organize some local demonstrations, and maybe others sitting on the sidelines will join. I take heart from the NRA because they have laser-like focus on one issue, and they don’t give in. We need to be educating our families, friends, email contact lists must be mobilized, make week-end gatherings to spread the word, ask for donations to the cause like JW, Act for America, Gates of Vienna, whatever, but DO something other than typing.

    • PJG says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 1:04 am

      We are hoping to se a HUGE turnout this weekend in Bendigo, opposing the construction of a big mosque which has been approved by the corrupt council.
      The demonstrations we hold in Australia (and elsewhere, apparently) are inevitably “countered” by “anti-racists” but that is not necessarily a bad thing as they simply do not behave themselves, and their misbehaviour gets onto the TV news, thus our people do.
      Demonstrations are just the beginning of the stage of resistance following the education we have been gathering. We live in interesting times…sacrifices are going to have to be made by people who have lived in comfort all their lives. Anything could happen.

      • Peggy says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 1:25 am

        I wish you luck.
        BTW, I haven’t heard any more about a mosque being built next to an Assyrian church in Melbourne.
        It’s so obvious why the Muslims want to build their mosque there.

  10. Myxlplik says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Hungary is building a large razor wire fence, I think it’s going to be a very cold winter this year in the Balkans.

  11. Januk36 says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 1:42 am

    Muslim “refugees” aggresively chanting against humanitarian help. “Not halal !”

    Soldiers who wanted to distribute red-cross care packages after a while withdraw with their package.At this the muslim crow seems to “celebrate” their “victory”.

  12. citycat says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 3:24 am

    Just because Islam is a manifestation of evil does not excuse other religions even though they have evolved since their creation.
    Religion has not worked.
    It is tribalism. To hell with it and its stupid stories of gods, god, sages, prophets, miracle workers, communication with angels, communication from God.
    Absolute bull that obscures objective views of life.
    Where is this mystical stuff now?
    Where it has always been, in the mind of some screwball called prophet, seer, messenger, in the imagination of the gang leaders and used to blag the people with a book said to be holy.
    Krisna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the Jewish guy, and the others are either liars, on drugs, on an ego trip, or maybe a revenge trip. I heard they killed Muhammad’s wife, and so he swerved his direction to naughty things.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:34 am

      citycat, where did you get the idea that “Krisna, Buddha, Jesus, the Jewish guy, and the others” “killed Muhammad’s wife”? Whatever are you referring to?

    • Peggy says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:54 am

      Are YOU on drugs?
      Excuse other religions for what?
      What other religion is torturing, raping,enslaving and murdering people around the world?

    • Western Canadian says

      Aug 28, 2015 at 12:38 pm

      Your understanding of and tolerance for non-islamic religions is right up there with the average devout muslims understanding of and tolerance for non-islamic religions:

      Totally ignorance and non-existent, respectively.

  13. Charli Main says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 3:25 am

    A tidal wave of muslim sewage flowing over Europe, arriving on your doorstep any day now, bringing with it the stink of islam.

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 1:07 am

      A tidal wave of muslim sewage flowing over Europe, arriving on your doorstep any day now, bringing with it the stink of islam.

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Nice one, Charli! …melike it 🙂

      • Charli Main says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 2:44 am

        I fear for all the non- muslim immigrant communities, living quietly and peacefully, in the countries that have given them a home and a chance of a new life, Champ.
        A native European backlash against this tidal wave of muslims, flowing unchecked into their countries, is inevitable and all ” foreigners” will pay the price.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:18 am

          My advice to any Islamosavvy Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, etc, within England, who are worried about what might happen down the track when the sh*t hits the fan, would be to join the Royal Society of Saint George, and get involved with Liberty Great Britain, even if only by making donations. And Gavin Boby’s “Law and Freedom Foundation”…the mosque-busters. Start networking and build relationships, NOW, with those who are resisting Islam. Because, frankly, ALL able-bodied and of sound mind persons are needed in the Resistance. In Scotland or in Wales non-Muslim immigrants or British persons of non-indigenous Infidel parentage should *also* seek out native cultural events – e.g. eisteddfodau in Wales – and find ways of participating. (Those who are Christians, such as the British Pakistani Christians, are *already* integrated/ networked and should be fine). Because once enough people know who they are, and that they are NOT Muslims and that they are, in fact, Comrades In Arms, well disposed toward their new homeland and committed to its survival and wellbeing, all will be well.

          Signing their kids up for Boy Scouts, Cubs, Brownies and Girl Guides would also be a good idea.

          If I were a Hindu or Sikh shopkeeper in the UK, I would join the Society of Saint George…and I’d get the flag of St George and hang it up, as well as the Union Jack, outside my curry house. And I’d make sure – and I’d advertise – that all the meat in *my* curry house was proudly NON-HALAL…sourcing it direct from local indigenous English farmers. I’d make my curry house a hub of the Resistance. If I were in Scotland, I’d hang up the Saint Andrews’ Cross outside, alongside the Union Jack. If I were in Wales, I’d hang up the Pendragon alongside the Union Jack. Fly the flag. Declare loyalty, and mean it.

          Gurkhas and Sikhs should join Liberty Great Britain en masse…and, to be blunt, join the EDL and turn up, in full costume, at demonstrations. Scare the sh*t out of the Mohammedans.

          I have a picture in my head: Sikhs, Gurkhas and native British members of the Society for Creative Anachronism out there on the common doing longbow practice together….and the native British trundling down to the Gurdwaras for a bit of tuition in the proper use of subcontinental traditional weaponry.

          Because pan-Infidel bonding needs to happen.

          That’s my shoutout to any Islamosavvy non-Anglo/Celt British citizens who might happen to lob in here and be reading this thread, and who might be worrying about whether the locals can/ will be able to distinguish them (e.g. Indian non-Muslims) from the Mohammedan Mobsters.

  14. particolor says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 4:24 am

    I’ve just been reading how much of the Rubbish some Country’s have been taking in 🙁 Not too good at Smelling Rats are they ?? 🙁
    Slovakia has a Good Rat Sniffing Dog !! 🙂

  15. Steven says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 4:47 am

    why are Christian countries solving a mohammedan Problem ? With antiquated laws and opinions is somewhere a part of the reason . A not superficial knowledge of history and roots of mohammedanism by politicians is another , a group afraid of taking efforts but lovers of debates and the latest is not the royal way in solving the mohammedan problem.

    • particolor says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 6:43 am

      You don’t Fight Arrogant War Mongering Pigs with Dialogue !! You put some Red Hot Steel up their Backsides !! So to speak !! 🙁

  16. Dave de la Rond says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 5:12 am

    What’s even more pathetic about these so called Muslim refugees is that if one of these racist Islamic apartheid regimes in the Gulf states wanted to stop this insanity they could .Qatar is in the midst of building 7 fully air conditioned football stadiums at a cost of 37 billion dollars for the World Cup .if they wanted to they could set aside 10 of those billions to help these fleeing refugees It just shows us once again that human life in Islam means nothing ,it shows us that this religion is evil and sick.

  17. David M says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 5:21 am

    Hey Reza Aslan, please explain to us why this is a one way arrangement only, please explain why it is only Muslims fleeing their Islamic hell holes for democratic countries? Not one person fleeing in the reverse direction. The reason of course, is that Islam is a piece of absolute crap that creates misery & death for people that live under it. You know that too, don’t you Reza, even though you don’t like to admit it,even to yourself.

  18. duh_swami says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 5:49 am

    How to take overt a country without firing a shot…Immigration jihad…Immigrate in large numbers, multiply like rabbits, capture the vote, elect the brothers to high office…take over, establish sharia…It’s slow jihad but it works, and it appears to be speeding up…Little of this would be possible except for the aid and comfort given by compliant officials at the highest levels…If you enable jihad, you are a jihadist…
    Be prepared to defend yourself, if necessary, and watch out for falling bricks with Allah’s name on them…

    .

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      “How to take overt a country without firing a shot…Immigration jihad”

      Um, 911, Tube bombing, Madrid bombing, and hundreds of other terror attacks and/or plots to mass-murder…?

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:38 am

      The Jihad is multi-pronged. Immigration Jihad, creeping Shari’ah, “lawfare”, Taqiyya, Da’wa, street Jihad, and full-on mass murdering violent Jihad.

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 12:39 am

        Oh, and related to immigration Jihad is the Jihad of the womb–both forms of population JIhad.

  19. Ted says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 5:54 am

    Are there any politicians willing to stand up to this you ask? Apparently only Trump.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 10:15 am

      What does this say about Western society. If you go an read the Constitution, sovereignty is law number one. Yet no politician is willing even to consider obeying the law; I think not even The Donald is truly serious about it. The citizens are, but not its leadership. Widespread lawlessness among the elites has grave implications when it comes to Moslems, who are the world’s single biggest problem.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:42 am

      Only to a point, Ted. The Donald” may be–for now, anyway–opposed to illegal immigration, but he very much supports the crushing of freedom of speech in the face of Jihad threats and violence. Just look at his sneering response to Pamela Geller and the Muhammed cartoon art show.

      He is no real Anti-Jihadist.

  20. Wayne Bea says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 5:55 am

    Here’s what is going on pls share. It’s easily verifiable
    Islam declared war ‘secretly’ It’s not just ISIS

    Recently 56 Islamic countries & Palestine got together and decided 100% to change Shariah law to Abrogate Christianity & Judaism as religions. This gives Muslims legal permission to Rape, kill enslave Christians & Jews as they have relegated us all to infidels.
    Proof: You can find it in the manual for Islamic law (shariah) called the ‘Reliance of the traveler”. The de facto point of reference for Clerics & Muslims on Shariah law.
    Reliance of the traveler
    Says:
    Previously revealed religions were valid in their own eras, but were abrogated by the universal message of Islam.
    It goes on to say the book is written in English so that there can be no mistranslation of the message and that..
    it is unbelief (Kufr) to hold remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions, such as “Christianity” or Judaism,” are acceptable to Allah Most High after he sent the final Messenger (Sic)
    It ends with..
    This is a matter over which there is no disagreement among Islamic Scholars (sic) THEY”VE ALL AGREED LEGALLY
    This is a scholarly consensus known as ijma that says..
    the ruling agreed upon is an authoritative part of Sacred Law that is obligatory to obey and not lawful to disobey (sic)
    Blah blah blah Can’t ever be changed..
    because the ruling on it, verified by scholarly consensus, is an absolute legal ruling which does not’ admit of being contravened or annulled. (sic)
    It also goes on to say that any Muslims who discuss or consider (think) about the subject are to be apostatized and heads removed. This means they can’t speak about it but also it handicaps them as they can’t lie either because lying takes consideration. So if you seek other proof ask a few Muslims.

    Download a free up to date copy of “Reliance of the traveler’ to verify
    Google how important this book is to Shariah advocates

    And ask yourself why the secrecy, then look at what they are doing everywhere
    Don’t forget we are funding them with Halal too

    • Jack Diamond says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 1:08 am

      Christianity and Judaism were abrogated in the Qur’an and Sunnah. The Qur’an means it when it says “the only religion before Allah is Islam” (3:19) and “whosoever even desire a religion other than Islam it will never be accepted of him” (3:85). Jews and Christians after Muhammad who do not follow the only religion before Allah are rebels, kaffir, mushrikoon, polytheists, guilty of shirk–worshipping someone other than Allah– the worst of creatures. Yes, infidels. But the war declared on them is spelled out in surah nine of the Qur’an. The jihad was declared by Muhammad and was declared on all non-Muslims.

      Most people here are familiar with ‘Umdat al-Salik or Reliance of the Traveler which is a 14th century manual of shafi’i fiqh based on works of much older scholars. The english translation from 1991 was certified by Al Azhar University. You are right, it is very eye-opening. You are also quite right that Islam itself is in a condition of war, that Islam mandates warfare against non-Muslims. Robert Spencer has been teaching this fact for many years and I’m sure his new book shows in great detail how rigorously Islamic everything done by ISIS/the Islamic State really is.

  21. Marika says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 6:36 am

    At the Macedonia/Greece border, the so called “refugees” refuse the Red Cross packages, because they are not halal, while shouting their war cry: allah akbar!

    And despite their shameful behavior, our “naive” politicians, supported by the Pope, still pretend that these people are flooding Europe in the hope to find a better life!!!

    https://youtu.be/HXYg5rFeuFk

    At he Hungarian border,” refugees” are shouting “allahu Akbar” :: see video : Allahu Akbar an der ungarischen Grenze: Die Asylbewerber …

    And we, Europeans, should not be afraid of these invading hords: they are just victims of wars and it is our duty to welcome them, even in our homes. This mantra is repeated by our irresponsible politicians day after day.

    Pretty soon, they will ask us to offer them gracefully our houses, and we will be installed in the basement of what was our property. In Germany, a politician is proposing a law, to restrict the private property rights to accommodate “refugees” in search of a better life, our future!

    This mantra is repeated by our irresponsible politicians day after day.

    It is the genocide of the indigenous Europeans, white and Christians, which is quickly being implemented.

    No surprise if civil wars will break out throughout Europe in a not so far away future. Rebellion roars among the European people. Too much is too much!

  22. abad says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 7:36 am

    In going through my bookmarks I came across something VERY applicable to the situation of western Europe and the United States of America when it comes to Islam.

    Why we need to start making demands of all Muslims following 9-11:

    http://www.lightshouse.org/try-someone-else.html#axzz3jjPPXFzN

  23. yuval Brandstetter MD says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 8:12 am

    Should you be forced to let them in?
    If you are a Jew then yes. Jews were traditionally forced to let the Muslims into their home and synagogues when so demanded of them. The whole Muslim-Israel conflict is about the Islamic demand to enter and occupy the Jewish National home, AFTER it was re-affirmed as the Jewish National Home. It was no one’s National Home before nor can it be anything but the Jewish National Home. Now Europe is learning the consequnc3es of acceding to Muslim demands and terror. This time there is no need for the jews to be fearful. The gates of the Jewish National Home are open to Jews, despite the Islamic rage.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 9:52 am

      Jews were traditionally forced to let the Muslims into their home and synagogues when so demanded of them.

      And now they are being forced, effectively, to let an ICBM with a nuclear warhead on its tip into its airspace. The globo-socialists think it’s funny to sell the Jews down the drain, into yet another holocaust, but they won’t be laughing at what follows. The Supreme Leader and all his Persian Moslems can kiss my royal Irish ass.

    • RonaldB says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 2:25 pm

      “Jews were traditionally forced to let the Muslims into their home and synagogues when so demanded of them. ..”

      Actually, the systematic humiliation of dhimmis in Islamic countries applied to both Christians and Jews, and to some extent Zoroastrians. If the non-Muslim was not one of these religions, even dhimmihood was not an option: either convert or die.

      http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thomas/dhimmis_damascus.htmlc

  24. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 9:49 am

    History is being made with these mass migrations. The legal doctrine of sovereignty has dissipated. The slippery slope has become a cliff, and the landing will be a thud. There is big trouble coming, both here and in Europe, and it ain’t that far off. I wonder if Japan is taking immigrants.

  25. Dr. Divinity says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 11:00 am

    Of course what I’m going to ask is probably like spitting in the wild but…..do it anyway.call,write or go see your elected officials.Let them know how you feel about what is happening in America today.One of the reasons we are in this position today is the fact that WE have just sit back and said nothing. It may be too late but DO SOMETHING¡¡¡¡¡

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 4:30 am

      Yes.

      And it’s not just about acting alone, with each one of us individually pestering selected politicians (and, which is very important, praising and encouraging those few politicians who propose sensible policies or show willing to say No to Mohammedans in any way at all).

      There *are* organisations starting to crystallise out of the ‘soup’ of general Islamowariness that has begun to spread among non-Muslims in the West. We have to become aware of them, and join them (of course, exercising all due caution, as with any organisation).

      Every single counter-jihad/ islamosavvy person in the USA – every one who posts or lurks here at jihadwatch and in other comments streams in other places – OUGHT to be fully signed up active and financial member of ACT for America.

      In the UK, everybody should be with Gavin Boby – Law and Freedom Foundation, and with Liberty Great Britain…*and* a member of the nice old-fashioned patriotic society, “The Society of Saint George”, which I think, if the Resistance were to join it en masse (by en masse I mean thousands) could become quite a considerable force and might be able to undertake something of a ‘flanking’ movement.

      In Germany there is PEGIDA, that could, if people persist, become a force to be reckoned with.

      In Australia, we have Q Society, and there are various local organisations formed to resist the building of mosques.

      The Dutch are lucky – they have Geert Wilders.

      I think the Danes and Swedes are both getting ready to surprise everyone. They do each have Islamosavvy political parties that are steadily growing.

      I don’t know what’s going on in other countries but I think that everywhere there is movement, things are stirring.

  26. mortimer says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 11:05 am

    “What are Muslims fleeing? Shariah law?”

    Yes. Sharia law makes Muslim societies DYSFUNCTIONAL, DISCRIMINATORY, UNFREE, VICIOUS, DISHONEST (taqiyya), PEDOPHILIA, et cetera.

  27. Myxlplik says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 11:16 am

    At this point there is no reason to believe that the ideology carried by these Muslims will not cause a similar fate to happen in Europe and America, as has happened to non-Muslims in the Middle East.

    • spot on says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 11:31 am

      Agreed. They are all infected with the same Islamic virus.

      • Shane says

        Aug 28, 2015 at 10:00 am

        They are all infected with the jihad virus, which may erupt into violence at any time. Time to stop all Muslim immigration into the West including taking in Muslim refugees. It is even dangerous to allow Muslims to come to our country to get educated at our colleges.

    • Januk36 says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 6:17 pm

      Ridiculous defeatism.

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:45 pm

        Wrong, at least until the west starts fighting back, it is a letter perfect bit of advice.

      • Lynn says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:46 pm

        “It is the nature of islam to dominate not to be dominated; to impose it’s laws upon all nations and to extend it’s power to the entire planet.” Hasan Al-Banna founder muslim brotherhood.

        The word islam translates to the English word surrender. Now what’s so difficult to understand about the goal of these crazed evil people?

        go to youtube and view the red Pill Briefings by Stephen Coughlin.

        • EYESOPEN says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:45 pm

          Actually, “Islam” means submission; but it amounts to the same thing when you get right down to it.

    • thomas chandy says

      Oct 19, 2015 at 6:22 am

      The following is an email we received from a former Muslim. We are reprinting it with his permission:

      I was born and raised as Muslim. My name is Abdul Rahman. My whole family is still Muslim. I know the Islamic brain very well. I have lived and breathed with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood Islam is a sick and evil religion. Muslims can fool the gullible West but can’t fool us, the ex-Muslims. On this basis I write the following.

      Fighting terrorism is easier than fighting the evil teachings of Islam. These evil teachings are already inside the West. Muslims do not need Osama Bin Laden or Zarqawi to lead them. Their inspiration for violence comes directly from the Quran and from Islamic history. One small independent group of Muslims in the West can create havoc.

      Ali Sina, of FaithFreedom.org, thinks he can bring down this 1400 years old religion in his lifetime. Is he dreaming? How can you defeat an enemy who has the following agenda? Also remember that the greatest strength of Muslims is that they do not read any site or books that talk against Islam. Most Muslims do not even read the Quran in their own language.

      Who will tell you the truth about Islam? Muslims? Of course not. Muslims can’t even see the evil in Islam. The West? The gullible West has no clue. Then who? Ex-Muslims and ex-Muslims only can expose Islam to the West.

      Muslims believe Islam will rule the world, very soon. They are committed to it. The constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction. Welcome to the 21st Century Islamic Warfare. To the infidels of the West, Muslims say: We will fight the infidel to death. And they mean it.

      Meanwhile, Muslims are able to say with complete confidence:
      American laws will protect us.
      Democrats and Leftist will support us.
      The UNO will legitimize us.
      CAIR and MAB will incubate us.
      The ACLU will support us.
      Western Universities will educate us.
      Mosques in the West will shelter us.
      OPEC will finance us.
      Moderate Muslims will fertilize us.
      Hollywood will love us.
      UN (the Secretary General) will publish the politically correct sympathetic statements for Jihadists.
      We will use your (West) welfare system.

      We will take advantage of European/American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab America in the back as we did on 9/11 and 7/7, the Islamic way. We will say one thing on the camera (Islam is the religion of peace) and teach another thing (Quran 8:12 Terrorize and behead the infidels wherever you find them) to our children at home.

      We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from their earliest childhood. We will take over Europe first and then the U.S. will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the U.S.

      Who are we? We are the “sleeper cells” next door.

      At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor – this is the Islamic way. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine, just imagine the news in the world: “Death of Muslim babies by infidels”.

      We say to the West: Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carriers and high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can’t use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your (Western) higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bombers against you.

      The West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We Muslims will manufacture our military force by natural means — by producing more babies. It is cheaper that way. You infidels cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion strong and we will double our population again.

      Using the Western legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.

      Moderate Muslims will say there is no link between Islam and terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible. Moderate Muslims all over the world will inadvertently incubate Jihadists by defending Islam as a religion of peace, by telling this to their children and the world.

      There will be more 9/11s in Europe and in America. We will say, “We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved.”

      We will recite the Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will videotape those and send them to infidels to watch. The infidels will surrender — ISLAM means surrender.

      Islam is the fastest growing religion among convicts in prison all over the word. 30% of French prison inmates are already converted to Islam.

      We will use your (Western) own values of kindness against you. You (the West) are destined to lose.

      Must be very depressing for you (the West). Isn’t it?

      Allah-Hu-Akbar (as we like to say just before beheading you; it means God is Great).
      We will push as many as young male Muslim migrants to Europe and US and they take pity on the plight of our children, and they kindly migrate them on humanitarian grounds. There they will stay, enjoy their kind and innocent helping inheritance, and slowly they will make sweet talks to their virgin girls while concealing our Muslim identity and start Love Jihad….they will deceive their females, break their families and force them to marry our young boys, then they will slowly ask them to convert to Islam, they will produce number of children; if they desist, we simply leave them, and go and take more wives. Like this they will make a strong Muslim population strong enough to fight Europe and America.
      Remember, they are doing any crime, as it is according to their Quaran. Quaran permits us to say lies, deceive non-Muslims, kill them, rape their women. Allah is happy.

      The rules of war and intelligence-gathering that the world has evolved over the last 100 years count on some fundamental laws of humanity. For example there are some Geneva conventions even for the battlefield. For example, even in the battlefield you give enemy a chance to surrender. You do not take random hostages, behead them, video record it, and post it on the internet. Generally, a mother will try to save her babies and children — they won’t sacrifice her own babies for her religion. These are basics of morality for the human race and have been for a very long time, even before religions came along.

      Modern Islamic warfare did away with all of the above morality. The equation of war has changed. One major mistake the West has made is to believe terrorists need a structural hiarchical power structure to fight an enemy. Islamic teachings prepare Muslims from childhood to act on their own wherever they can — even without the authorization from his/her superiors. No wonder you are seeing so many independent Muslim terrorists all over the world. These are entrepreneur terrorists.

      These sleeper cells go beyond national origin, language, race, or citizenship. Terrorists could be British born-and-raised citizens, or American Taliban. There is only one thread that binds them together that is “ISLAM.”

      My, our (ex-Muslims’), message to the West is until the West identifies, names, and warns the public who the real enemy is, the West won’t have chance to win this war. The real enemy is “Islam.” As long as Mr. Bush, Blair, and the other world leaders are afraid to call a spade a spade, and as long as they keep saying in public the blatant lie that “Islam is a religion of peace” — we run the risk losing our freedom.

      Our freedom already is curtailed. No major newspapers, magazines, or TV reproduced the Mohammad cartoons in America. They were afraid. So, in effect, 6 million Muslims in America and 1.2 billion Muslims around the globe severely restricted our freedom of expression without officially legislating their Sharia laws that prohibits Mohammad’s caricature. We now have unwritten partial Sharia laws in practice in the USA.

      Remember ex-Muslims like me are the insiders. We are exposing Islam to the West so we can enjoy Western freedom. Our websites are: FaithFreedom.org, and ApostatesOfIslam.com.

      Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

      Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

      The author of the above is Abdul Rahman, who goes by an alias to protect himself from Islamic extremists. The Quran is very explicit in its treatment of apostates (people who leave the Muslim faith). The penalty for leaving Islam is death. Once you’re in, you’re in for good.Read what other apostates have written.

  28. mike says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 11:21 am

    They are not fleeing. They are an invading army crying wolf at the time of invasion
    so as not to be stopped.

    • spot on says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 11:34 am

      This is all part of the symptoms of the Islamic virus. The black Plague in Europe was nothing compared to this plague.

    • Godwin says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 12:00 pm

      Some thing like a huge Trojan Horse being pushed into Europe.

  29. Dave J says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    Keep in mind who is really in charge of Western Civilization now: Not the puppets who are “elected” after multi-millions are spent on propaganda, it is actually the barely visible hand of the Corporations and their 1% owners. Why are over-population, birth control and immigration practically taboo subjects while the media is filled with “celebrities”, LGBT gibberish and spectator sports nonsense?

    It is because Corporations primarily need customers, the more the better and it doesn’t matter to them their race, religion or sexual status as long as they are buying cars, diapers, sodas, chips, furniture, etc. The number of native born future consumers has been dropping in the First World so the answer is obvious – throw open the gates. That there is an enthusiastic mob ready to invade and to take up higher consumption patterns is just a “happy coincidence” for the Globalists.

    • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 4:58 pm

      Thanks Dave J ive never heard this before,i have heard something similar …but this just NAILS IT….all the talk of low ‘white European; birth rates,….it all fits together now
      its the piece of the jig-saw i was missing…
      WOW…..BUT dont they realise that when the west losses its high value manufacturing base…because of the brain/skill drain,leaving…..all that will be left will be….slum street vendors,take aways…and CRIMINALS…vendors of guns.drugs,slavery of children.women,……there will be no one to buy their products…Muslims will start to demand autonomous self-rule break away states within Europe…..if their DEMANDS AReNT met ..will start a full blown insurgency

      • Januk36 says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:22 pm

        Low birth rate is a consequence of 68ers narcism. Once the last of this generation is dead their subculture dies with them. There are already signs of a change in mind as having more children is starting to become a status symbol. Three children is becoming the norm in the younger middle class.

        I might be wrong, so may be you people but wailing in pessimism is simply disgusting.

        • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 6:42 pm

          sorry were you saying that i was wallowing in self pessimism?….if so let say…you might have missed the enormity of this train hurtling 100 miles an hour towards us…
          ..its a massive baby factory…its hell bent on WAR …if you think i am pessimistic….you go on in your dream world of…IT MAY BE OK IF WE BELIEVE HERD ENOUGH
          …there is a Great tribulation coming….said Jesus its the ANTI-CHRIST….
          IF you were not calling me pessimistic then ..forget it…

      • Peggy says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 7:06 pm

        What are they going to sell to this zombie population of the future? Rusty knives for FGM?
        Islam forbids fun and music so the only thing to sell these morons will be turbans, tents to wear and nappies.
        A very stupid plan.
        I believe that the 1% wants to enslave us all and that way will stay on top forever. Islam is a perfect vehicle to enslave by. No need to have a police force because they police themselves and administer punishment. Who cares about human rights and justice?

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:35 am

          So who are this mysterious, evil “one percent”?

          Names, please. Actual names of actual persons.

        • dumbledoresarmy says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 4:41 am

          PS

          In Australia, ‘one percent’ of the population would comprise 220,000 people.

          So who, pray, comprise those two hundred and twenty thousand consciously-evil people, who are all consciously members of a vast and evil world-spanning *non-Muslim* conspiracy (and how long do you imagine it has been going on? one generation, two generations, five, ten, twenty?) that is, apparently, 100 percent immune to those well-known phenomena of SNAFU and Murphy’s Law? Are ALL our Parliamentarians, state and federal, signed up members of this Mysterious Evil Club (sworn to secrecy, of course…).

          We all know the Islamic project, because, to be blunt, it isn’t really a secret and never has been: it’s right there in their texts and anyone who can read the texts and then looks at their history can see the Big Picture quite plainly. No different from Hitler: the program was there in Mein Kampf, and he set out to follow the Program.

          But claiming that there is a parallel or equivalent Conspiracy going on on the Infidel side of things – but one that has been oh-so-cleverly kept secret (for how long?) just doesn’t really make sense.

        • EYESOPEN says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 10:52 pm

          This post is meant for “Dumbles”; but there was no “reply” button beneath the post.

          You want names, Dumbles? Try these on for size:

          “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
          —David Rockefeller, at a 1991 Bilderberger meeting

          “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
          —David Rockefeller

          “Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”
          – Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992

          The EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states…
          —Peter Sutherland, UN migration chief & chairman at Goldman Sachs bank, who wants to use (Muslim) immigration to destroy European countries’ culture

          “If we are frank with ourselves, we shall admit that we are engaged on a deliberate and sustained and concentrated effort to impose limitations upon the sovereignty and independence of the fifty or sixty local sovereign independent States which at present partition the habitable surface of the earth and divide the political allegiance of mankind. It is just because we are really attacking the principle of local sovereignty that we keep on protesting our loyalty to it so loudly.
          … I will merely repeat that we are at present working, discreetly but with all our might, to wrest this mysterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local national states of our world. And all the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands…”
          —Arnold Toynbee, Address to the 1931 Copenhagen conference as published in International Affairs: Journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs (November 1931)

          *******************************************************************************
          What follows is from “The New American” article entitled: “Iran Nuclear Deal: Betrayal, Deception, and False Alternatives — Again”

          “A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations”

          That is the actual title of an important 1961 State Department study by CFR member Lincoln P. Bloomfield that advised world government under the UN could be brought about by a “series of sudden, nasty, and traumatic shocks.”

          In the study’s opening summary, Professor Bloomfield wrote: “A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which ‘world government’ would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership…. Effective control would thus entail a preponderance of political power in the hands of a supranational organization…. The present UN Charter could theoretically be revised in order to erect such an organization equal to the task envisaged, thereby codifying a radical rearrangement of power in the world.”

          Also known in the State Department as “Study Memorandum No. 7,” the subversive Bloomfield/CFR program, which was never planned for public release, candidly confesses to its elite audience that “to avoid endless euphemism and evasive verbiage, the contemplated regime will occasionally be referred to unblushingly as a ‘world government.’” Unblushingly, but still secretly, to the initiated and vetted one-worlders, not to America’s great unwashed, who are told that every step toward world government is a victory for peace and global cooperation.

          The Bloomfield/CFR template, as detailed in “A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations,” was a key document exposed by this writer in my two books on the United Nations, Global Tyranny … Step by Step: The United Nations and the Emerging New World Order (1992) and The United Nations Exposed (2001).

          As those books explained, the Bloomfield study was not the harebrained ranting of some marginal academic outlier, but, rather, the actual schema for global conquest; it became the operational manual for CFR globalists in our government; and has provided the guidance for Democrat and Republican administrations (alternating CFR Team A and Team B). Treason — the planned scuttling of our constitutional form of government by officials sworn to protect it, perpetual war, and the destruction of our liberty and national sovereignty — became official policy.

          The Bloomfield plan, which has been employed for decades by the CFR elites, calls for “a crisis, a war, or a brink-of-war situation so grave or commonly menacing that deeply-rooted attitudes and practices are sufficiently shaken.”

          However, the CFR author of the plan reiterated that a single “crisis” might not be sufficient for the purpose; more likely, he observed, this grand objective would require “a series of unnerving trips to or over the brink.”

          Hence, we have been treated to a non-stop barrage of orchestrated “global crises” — financial, environmental, security, etc. — all of which demand, we are told, “global solutions,” under the United Nations. And, thus, we have today not only the engineered Iran crisis, but also the Ukraine crisis, the Global-warming (aka the Climate) crisis, the global financial crisis, the ISIS crisis, etc.

          Obama’s JCPOA Iran deal is not, of course, truly Obama’s Iran deal; he is merely the talking bobblehead of his CFR handlers. The CFR’s globalists and their media thought cartel have moved another chess piece in their quest to finalize their already maturely developed plan of “perpetual war for perpetual peace.” As dismally described by George Orwell in 1984, his dystopian view of Earth in the future, that megalomaniacal scheme features constantly shifting alliances and wars in a world divided into regional superpowers known as Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia. The perpetual warfare and crises provide the excuse and the means for effectuating the absolute tyranny of the Total State. We are fast approaching that point at which Orwell’s prophetic fiction becomes fact. And the CFR-brokered Iran deal, far from being a “peace” initiative, is intended to provide another of those “unnerving trips to or over the brink” that will lead more Americans to accept the benevolent manacles of the Orwellian Big Brother Global State.

          With thanks to “The New American” online – the following article by William F. Jasper, whose tireless research yields ever more eye-opening facts:
          http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/21358-iran-deal-betrayal-deception-and-false-alternatives-again

          Has it become clear NOW?

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 9:54 am

          EYESOPEN–

          I have no time to do your research, but I would guess at least half of your quotes are made up.

          For example, there are no published minutes of Bilderberger meetings, so how would you know what people said verbatim?

          You can’t, This is a very simple and obvious objection. That it did not occur to you, EYESOPEN, means that you are an idiot.

        • Western Canadian says

          Aug 29, 2015 at 5:45 pm

          Your eyes may be open, but your mind isn’t.

  30. BC says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 1:01 pm

    The thought just occurred to me, these Muslims are fleeing to infidel kaffur ridden Western countries, should they not be fleeing into IS controlled territory, which is seen by many of them as the new ‘caliphate ‘ where ‘pure’ Islam is practised

    • Peggy says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 7:07 pm

      That’s because they are not fleeing from it but spreading it.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 10:54 pm

        Bingo!

  31. Nathanael Hoernlé says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    The West is today so self-conscious about its own intolerant past that it is helpless in the face of the most dangerous onslaught it has faced since the end of the Roman Empire.

    While we take pride in our hard won tolerance and regard it as a virtue, the virtue’s downside becomes more blatant every day.

    By saddling ourselves with extremely accommodating conventions in immigration and refugees, we have left ourselves wide open to cynical exploitation and unstoppable abuse – and where that is accompanied by an ideological agenda, as it almost always is now (is there any such thing as a non-Muslim immigrant or refugee to Europe today?) the danger is radical.

    If the current mindset regarding immigration, refugees, and foreign religions had existed seventy years ago, Nazism would not only not have been opposed, it would have been INVITED to assume control over the whole of Europe. Anything else would have been “intolerant” because that ideology was of such personal importance to its adherents. Accusations of bigotry would have flown like flocks of heron against anyone who supposed that Nazis who saw their political philosophy as a program for conquest and genocide were anything other than a few fringe extremists who were getting the real thing all wrong.

    This is one of the ways a society dies. The suicidal mindset that takes over has an unchallengeable claim to virtue, and it cannot be reversed.

    • IrishJane says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 3:08 pm

      I couldn’t agree more with you, tolerance will be the ruination of the west. I live in Ireland and on the way home from work today I was listening to one of the main radio drive time broadcasts. There was an ‘expert’ on discussing the so called migrants crisis saying we can easily absorb x amount of migrants and it is our moral duty as a progressive Europe to do so. The host asked him was there not something unique about Irish culture; our religion, folklore, language etc… that needed protecting. Without missing a heartbeat the expert so no, all cultures change so it is no big deal and that the most important thing about Irish culture is our hospitality and openness towards others so we should just welcome all immigrants with open arms regardless of its impact. So basically, the only part of our culture worth keeping is the part that ensures the rest of it is obliterated.

      • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 5:21 pm

        IrishJane feel for you,..you are right,,i did a piece on the way the earth is covered with wonderful cultures ..the dress the bright colours,.
        in Peru,…the African tribes that put big metal plates in their lips….north American natives….we look at what they want….
        like the Borg in Star Trek….
        we must either be assmilated or eliminated…
        look at all the cultures they have take over…
        they no longer wear bright clothes…all have to wear grey night shirts…all have to read one book…all have to point in one direction to pray..all must speak the one language…all must have the same law…

        in fact they are the anti-Christ
        dont take it personaly..THE MAIN REASON THIS IS HAPPENING IS TO DESTROY THE WORD OF JESUS FROM OFF THE EARTH…THE DEVIL HATES JESUS ..BUT ALSO FEARS JESUS

        THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS SEEKING TO DESTROY JESUS …FROM THE TIME OF HEROD…..WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD AND JESUS
        ”’

      • Januk36 says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:26 pm

        “Without missing a heartbeat the expert so no, all cultures change so it is no big deal and that the most important thing about Irish culture is our hospitality and openness towards others so we should just welcome all immigrants with open arms regardless of its impact.”

        And here you find the solution handed to you on a silver plate by this “expert”. Cultures change and so a change for the worse in your “irishness” (hospitaliy) will help to preserve it….

      • Peggy says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 7:11 pm

        The man’s a traitor. Yes, we all evolve but we stick to the core principles of who we are. Islam is the very oppositve of welcoming and inviting and that moron wants to “evolve” into that? Ireland would regress not evolve if allowed these primitive savages to take over.
        I wonder if he thought that all that turmoil with Protestants and Catholics was wonderful too and there should be more of it.

      • Eva says

        Sep 2, 2015 at 6:02 pm

        The same propaganda in the media in Poland

        • Dorota says

          Oct 12, 2015 at 4:30 pm

          protect my beloved Poland ,Our King Sobieski stop them once we can do i again

    • SteveFin SC says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 4:01 pm

      “The West is today so self-conscious about its own intolerant past that it is helpless in the face of the most dangerous onslaught it has faced since the end of the Roman Empire.”

      The trouble is that the West’s intolerant past is largely mythical. Certainly, there are isolated incidents, but it is a creation of the post-WWII Left and was designed to create exactly the situation in which Europe currently finds itself. The Left intended to bring down Western Civilization in order to gain complete control of all human life in Europe – and also the US. However, while they were destroying the West’s image of itself – it’s cultural coherence, its religious foundations, its well-earned supremacy in the world – for their own ends, they didn’t take into account that there were forces outside of Western Civilization that want it destroyed too – who want to drag down the proud edifice for completely different reasons. And, so the Left has created a Europe and increasingly an America, that are unsure of themselves, that can’t see what’s worth fighting for, and that are filled with self-loathing. What we are seeing today are the results of an ideology that views Western Civilization – and its ultimate expression, the US – as the source of all evil in the world. And so, in the name of exaggerated “tolerance” we will accept the most intolerant people on the planet who them will bring down our whole civilization. The only good thing will be that Hillary Clinton will have to wear a burqa and the folks on the Left will be the first on the chopping block.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 8:35 pm

        To SteveFinSC, who sez “The only good thing will be that Hillary Clinton will have to wear a burqa….”
        Can we make that a bright orange burqa? I thought she looked SO GREAT in that prison orange pants suit she wore in a recent interview…Cheers! Quotha R

        • SteveFinSC says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 2:38 pm

          Works for me…

    • EYESOPEN says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 10:57 pm

      Couldn’t have put it better myself Nathanael. That is EXACTLY what has been – and still is – happening.

  32. Jan Aage Jeppersen says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    HOW POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKES WESTERN CIVILIZATION DEFENCELESS

    Clever-Sillies- Why the high IQ lack common sense

    – is the title of a study by Bruce G. Charlton, published in “Medical Hypoteses” in 2009.

    How do most of the political and cultural elites of Western societies get away with making silly decissions and succeed in shutting up their critics who use common sense? They use Pollitical Correctness, a weapon more powerful and dangerous than I thought before reading the study.

    Below the summary and a short quotation from the study:

    “Summary

    In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science, and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence. These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise. In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings. General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism. Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense. Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours. And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively. I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy. The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong. Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.

    ***

    Yet, whatever else, to be a clever silly is a somewhat tragic state; because it entails being cognitively-trapped by compulsive abstraction; unable to engage directly and spontaneously with what most humans have traditionally regarded as psycho-social reality; disbarred from the common experience of humankind and instead cut-adrift on the surface of a glittering but shallow ocean of novelties: none of which can ever truly convince or satisfy. It is to be alienated from the world; and to find no stable meaning of life that is solidly underpinned by emotional conviction [37]. Little wonder, perhaps, that clever sillies usually choose sub-replacement reproduction [6].

    To term the Western ruling elite ‘clever sillies’ is of course a broad generalization, but is not merely name-calling. Because, as well as political correctness being systematically dishonest [33] and [34]; in relation to absolute and differential fertility, modern elite behaviour is objectively maladaptive in a strictly biological sense. It remains to be seen whether the genetic self-annihilation of the IQ elite will lead-on towards self-annihilation of the societies over which they rule.”

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 3:13 pm

      “Clever sillies” — amazing! Never heard this one before but I think it’s spot-on.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 11:12 pm

        Since there was no “reply” button to address your snotty remark to my earlier post, I shall answer your arrogance here. Your post:

        EYESOPEN–

        “I have no time to do your research, but I would guess at least half of your quotes are made up.

        For example, there are no published minutes of Bilderberger meetings, so how would you know what people said verbatim?

        You can’t, This is a very simple and obvious objection. That it did not occur to you, EYESOPEN, means that you are an idiot.”

        *************************************************************************************

        My quotes are NOT made up. Just because there are no “minutes” taken at the Bilderberger meetings, does not mean that some information doesn’t leak out – in the exact same manner as some very disturbing details of the “TPP” – which we poor serfs are not allowed to see.

        You have admitted that you “have no time” to do my research. Well, rather than posting snotty comments that arbitrarily refute what I have to say, why don’t you MAKE the time to do the research? If not, then YOU are the IDIOT who refuses to see what has been unfolding before the world for the past 50 years.

    • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 5:47 pm

      I Too have never heard this before Jan..makes SENSE to me…so the thing will value most…education..that leads to ‘enlightenment’ a more gentle folk…seems to turn the mind to ‘MUSH’…sound right to me….have you read ‘Emotional Intelligence’..its a great book……too..a study done on ‘high’ acheivers in high school/university ..they followed them up..the high acheivers were found to be earning LESS THEN THEIR PEERS…thou they have a higher IQ they lack EQ Emotional intelligence….
      as EQ is about human interatction they fail to advance ….folks with high EQ can communicate well…etc…regards

    • Uncle Vladdi says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 5:52 pm

      Incorrect. Intelligence is speed of thought and memory; smarts (previously known as ‘wisdom’) is how one uses it.

      Thus one can be slow and wise, like the old Indian shaman stereotype, or fast and dumb, where one is able to do dumb things faster and more accurately, like you describe.

      The fault obviously lies in the software, (training/education) not the hardware (genetic intelligence).

      And that’s driven these days by the “info-tainment” sales industry and advertising:

      It’s a monkey-see, monkey-do process, foisted on our kids by the corporate advertising salesmen who always advertise fear in order to sell us the greedy hope of relief from their own initial threats – it’s the same, ages-old stick and carrot, fear and greed behavioural conditioning binary at work, is all it really is.

      They “teach” (abuse) our children with the libertine’s divide and conquer notion that they can have pleasure without pain, hope without fear, and rights without responsibilities – in fact, they ‘teach’ them every alibi excuse under the sun to pretend to have a false right to remain irresponsibly wrong, while also avoiding their responsibility to become right by offloading it onto their victims by slanderously blaming them first. It’s a criminal’s kleptocracy.

      What sane people call “the slippery slope,” libs call “progress!”

      And it’s no more than EXTORTION – aka coercion, duress, intimidation, bullying, harrassment, activist agitation, extortion, and of course, “terrorism” – criminality, exactly like in islam.

      Kids today are actually being trained to become vapidly inane, shallow and contentious trolls, by watching TV; I’ve just stated why this is, and here’s exactly how:

      Actors are lying fakers,TV and their film characters (“heroes”) are reading from scripted responses, so their patter is immediate and enlightened; even when they seem to consider an option, it’s at most portrayed as “Hm!” – an immediate, considered response. Even when a character is scripted as insane or mistake-prone, he or she is a foil for the others who are instantly able to appraise and counter them.

      Thus our children are being trained to believe they must instantly present a response – ANY response – as quickly as possible, and also that any response at all is all that is required. So if a feral millennial responds with “I know you are but what am I!?” it’s held as good enough among their peers, because, as AN answer was given, it qualifies as a valid response.

      Is it even possible to be “glib,” yet always right? As it turns out, YES it is!

      The nitty-gritty today is, as was foretold in the distant past by such luminaries as Isaac Asimov, that:

      “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

      In stead of teaching kids how to think for them selves, or even what to think, all the so-called “education system” seems to do these days is teach kids how to not think at all – how to avoid thinking entirely. It thus only indoctrinates them into remaining infantile delinquents, (worse than the juvenile kind) dependent on the nannystate for all direction in their lives. It only ‘teaches’ them (abuses them) to enjoy slavery, to pave their own roads to hell with good intentions, and to look forward to the trip.

      They tempt children into believing their lies: that, “Since life is too complex for cause and effect to ever really be understood, all facts are really only opinions, so your fact-free subjective opinions are the diversely opposite equals to those silly conservatives’ objective facts! Whee!”

      Abusing kids with these false notions of “entitlement,” (to rights without concomitant corollary responsibilities) is a crime. It also short-circuits the basic learning process, where exposure to unfamiliar ideas only STARTS with denial, but then moves on to acceptance. Liberals insist kids have the false right to remain irresponsibly wrong, to not be “offended” by having their “feelings hurt” by initial exposure to the often-painful Truth.

      Their proud motto of “And always remember, kids – there’s no wrong answers!” corrupts kids into stopping learning at the point of their initial “But I don’t want to learn it!” reactions, depriving them of both their responsibility and their rights to learn to become self-reliant and responsible adults.

      Victimology is irrationality or ‘deranged thinking:’

      Criminals (“muslims” and “liberals”) have to pretend to be deranged – to reverse cause-and-effect, or proclaim life is too complex for it to exist at all – in order to present themselves as victims BY blaming their own victims for their criminal desires and actions.

      Proud criminal idolaters pretend rights and responsibilities are unrelated opposites.

      Any sense is based on dynamic thought and precise specifics, NOT static preconceived alibi-excuse generalizations (idolatry/nonsense)!

      It’s the difference between seeing things as static nouns(Good/Bad) or dynamic verbs (Gain/Risk).

      And NO ONE in academia/higher-learning/University/College ever seems to understand this; in fact, their income depends on the exact, criminally negligent, fraudulent opposite, as in: “There’s No Money In Solutions!” – and of course “Remember, kids! There’s No Wrong Answers! Whee!”

      Such Libtards always sound literally retarded simply because they’re always trying to convince the law-abiding, sane people that theft and extortion are good ideas!

      ;-(

      Lying criminal idolaters like to pretend dynamic verbs are static nouns (and ‘verse-vicea’) – for instance, like the ongoing circumstantial and situational process of reasoning is pretended by them to be some sort of standalone entity, once ‘abstracted’ or removed from that same circumstantial, situational

      context – which they then call ‘Reason.’

      As if ‘it’ could exist without any people actually ‘reasoning!’

      😉

      The common liberal trope stance today is that not having one’s feelings hurt, trumps risking being offended by the often-painful truth – as if all humans didn’t naturally first react in denial to all new ideas (see Elizabeth Kubler-Ross and others).

      Since they do, it’s not the responsibility or right of any other human to short-circuit their natural learning process – of going from fear to hope – by retarding them or allowing them to retard them selves by indulging in their first instinctive response:

      “But I don’t want to learn that!”

      Unfortunately, this is exactly what the corrupt traitors in today’s so-called education system are abusing the children in their charge with, by dint of tempting kids with it:

      “Remember, kids – there’s no wrong answers! Whee!”

      Their next step is inevitably to assert it’s “unfair!” that other people learn to do things better than they can do them, and to then also insist those others be prevented from learning, too!

      Liberal “educators” say it’s perfectly fine for students to hate learning new things, but then want to make ‘hate’ illegal too!

      ALL “Academic” and “discipline” fields of education are nothing more or less than basic Idolatries:

      Beyond the leftists’ group-rights, fear-avoiding idolatry and politics, what universities and colleges most abuse people with is in describing dynamic, human-driven processes, (habits) by the use of static nouns, as static, immutable objects. c.f: “Economics;” “Politics;” “Psychology;” etc – as if these things, like “Reason,” “Freedom,” etc actually existed as real things abstracted outside their only real circumstantial situational contexts of being nothing more than human actions and chosen activities.

      i.e: “Freedom” TO – what? “Freedom” – FROM what?!

      There is no such thing as the generalized, false concept of “Reason,” beyond some real live individual human people in different situational circumstances, doing some very specific reasonING.

      In other words, they are idealized as static excuses, which “make” humans do things; as predetermining causes, not as the mere effects which they always, in fact, really are.

      To “idealize” dynamic processes (into static ideals) by abstracting or removing them from their original situational circumstantial cause-and-effect contexts, is to lie (to commit intellectual & criminal fraud).

      ;-(

      So: WILEY WAS RIGHT – ONLY PSYCHOLOGY SHOULD BE TAUGHT! (Because, really, that’s all there IS, anyway)!

      And psychology is binary – it’s a “hard science,” too, despite all the “soft science” evasions to date!

      What have been described (or more accurately mis-labeled from an evolutionary hardware standpoint,) as the “primary” and “secondary” emotions, are simply the perceptual predictive levels of fear, greed, and hope.

      The more intelligence (speed of thought and memory) an animal has, the ‘deeper’ the levels of it’s emotional perceptions CAN be, but they must be applied to the future, not short-circuited by fear.

      Problem is, evil criminals begin with masochism, where they pretend to be able to “control” their natural logical fears, BY causing the very worst-case scenario pains they most fear!

      You know that old saying, “We have nothing to fear, but fear itself!”?

      It’s STUPID! And criminal, too!

      The real Truth is:

      “We have nothing to fear, but (the mistakes and problems which cause the) pain itself!”

      😉

      Fearing fear AS pain, and then deciding to attack it BY ignoring it, in stead of listening to and learning from it, is the first lie all criminals tell themselves (AND their victims)! It’s the root cause of all blustering criminally negligent outrages and “sins!”

      The ability to learn from mistakes, to solve problems, also leaves us able to (choose to) NOT learn from those same mistakes, and to refuse to solve problems (both of which choices define “Sin.”)

      And “Sin” is a synonym for Crime, and “sinner” = criminal.”

      😉

      • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 6:27 pm

        thank you,and you Sir Uncle Vladdi if i may be so bold after reading this one must deduce you Sir are the total Antipathy..Antithesis of all you have just wrote..i have posted this to my Facebook page for future,ref
        ” Watson,the game is afoot”…”good lord Holmes so it is by jove”

        • Uncle Vladdi says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 10:46 pm

          Thanks! As an aside, I posted a better version of “my” theory, here:

          http://unclevladdi.blogspot.ca/2015/08/trolls-explained-tv-really-does-make-us.html

          Charlton’s hypothesis is that there’s an inverse correlation between intelligence and wisdom – the more intelligent people become, the less wise or smart. Now, while of course having a greater intelligence could lead people to actually think more slowly than their less “intelligence-impaired” brethren (because they have more facts to sort through before arriving at their conclusions) it isn’t likely to impact those conclusions’ veracities, as their increased scope of awareness would also lead them to envision scenarios and causes effecting the likely outcomes, too.

          Let’s define terms:

          Intelligence is speed of thought and memory; while smarts (previously known as ‘wisdom’) is how one uses it.
          Thus one can be slow and wise, like the old Indian shaman stereotype, or fast (intelligent) and dumb (unwise), where one is able to do dumb things faster and more accurately – like quickly and efficiently running one’s head straight into a brick wall at the precise point one had intended to do so.

          Liberals are especially prone to the latter, in acting on ‘instinct’ (emotion) they are apt to assert “We must do what the violent criminals want, or else they’ll do what they want to us anyway!” These knee-jerk reactions give the false appearance of liberals ‘thinking’ faster than the more considerate conservatives, as if automatic Submission to the fear of pain were an intelligent habit to cultivate, but in the end it really only proves them to have always been the real ‘reactionaries!’

          The true fault and differences between the two approaches to the dynamics of life must obviously lie in the software, (training/education) not the hardware (genetic intelligence), as was erroneously proposed by Bruce G. Charlton. Charlton seems to think the stereotypical and habitual pedantry of supposed geniuses (harping on minutae, in stead of seeing the big picture) is caused by something genetic, in stead of having always been a choice to avoid being seen as wrong.

          But those habitual choices are all driven, these days, by the “info-tainment” sales industry and advertising.

          In a related article, Charlton asked whether or not Christians were smarter or dumber than non-Christians.

          He posited that liberal atheists are more intelligent, but, since they refuse to reproduce, they are ultimately “dumber” as well, which shows Charlton agrees with my above definition of terms, even if he hasn’t thought it all through and can’t actually admit to it yet.

          The Bible said: Fearing fear AS pain, and then deciding to attack it BY ignoring it, in stead of listening to and learning from it, is the first lie all criminals tell themselves (AND their victims)! It’s the root cause of all blustering criminally negligent outrages and “sins!”
          The ability to learn from mistakes, to solve problems, also leaves us able to (choose to) NOT learn from those same mistakes, and to refuse to solve problems (both of which choices define “Sin.”)

          And “Sin” is a synonym for Crime, and “sinner” = criminal.”

          😉

    • citycat says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:14 am

      Yeah- Take Islam for example-
      “solidly underpinned by emotional conviction”
      yeah- sounds like a mad mullah, a Hare Krishna freak, Jesus freak, Jehovah witness, the criminal code, the physicist who decides to blow up a tobacco factory cos it’s killing people, the end is listless, yeah- emotional intelligence, mixing the elements from different dimensions of the human psyche, yeah- confusion generator, probably good in cold weather too, yeah.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 11:07 pm

      It’s not just about “clever sillies”. The ugliness of “political correctness” and its enforcers throughout society make most people – who want to be accepted and admired, or just hold onto their jobs – scared spitless to go against the conformity and tell the truth. That may mean that they lose their friends, their tenured positions at Universities, the plush jobs in government or in the media.

      Look at what has happened to competent scientists who spoke the truth about the “Anthropogenic Climate Change” scam. This is still happening. With some zealots even going so far as to suggest that the “Climate Deniers”, as the Left likes to call them, be imprisoned.

      In short, to many people, LEARNING the truth (let alone speaking it) isn’t chic; and is, in fact, very frightening.

      • Uncle Vladdi says

        Aug 26, 2015 at 10:54 pm

        Exactly!

        Political correctness (factual incorrectness) is really extortion and – at least attempted – thought control. It’s basic human nature to react in denial to any and all new ideas, every time; so, to pretend everyone has a responsibility to not offend anyone else, ever, to not hurt their feelings with the often painful Truth, is not only insane, it’s literally impossible.

        PC is is both fraud (crime) and extortion – pretending that, either you lie along with the majority, or you’ll be replaced with a better liar by that same majority; group might makes right! Exact same as communazism.

        It extorts people to “Go Along” (with criminal lies) “To Get Along” (with criminal liars).

  33. Sam says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 2:58 pm

    “Are there no officials in Europe or America who love their homelands enough to stop ignoring the obvious consequences of all this?”

    No there are not and/or they are ignorant.

    • Mr UPSIDE DOWN says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      its too late …..Sam

    • Peggy says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 7:32 pm

      Yes there are but they are portrayed as extremists and right wing nutters.
      Marie Le Pen in France is great as is Geert Wilders and some minor parties in Australia. I think that Marie is gaining in popularity and hopefully she might be able to make a difference.
      The US has no chance at all. Between Democrats and Republicans nobody even gets close. Donals Trump is too busy doing buisness with the Arabs to do anything to upset them.
      Mrs Clinton is just a traitor and it’s not even a secret any more and yet she will get plenty of votes.
      The problem is the media. They are the voice of Islam disgused as the media and most people just simply don’t know the truth.

    • Dorota says

      Oct 12, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      They think in judeo-christian terms and do not understand islam as a doctrine
      they will when they come for heir heads
      Evil thrive when good man do nothing

  34. richard courtemanche says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    There should be no doubt. Anyone thinking otherwise is a fool. Any country leader or politician thinking otherwise is also an irresponsible coward for not taking action.

    • Peggy says

      Aug 24, 2015 at 7:34 pm

      Yes, but when there is no strong alternative what do we do? Small patriotic parties are discredited vry quickly and most people give their votes to the major parties.
      we know they are traitors but what are we going to do about it when majority of people are still asleep?

      • dumbledoresarmy says

        Aug 25, 2015 at 4:54 am

        “what are we going to do about it when majority of people are still asleep?”

        Focus on waking more people up faster!

        Make a deliberate, conscious decision to refuse to despair, reject fatalism (and apocalyptic visions of Doom), visit and revisit “Citizen Warrior”, and persevere, johnny appleseed style, sowing seeds of truth.

        Also, in Australia, keep a very close eye on Senators and the more obscure back-benchers. Because there are some interesting ornery-minded people out there, especially those representing country seats, and I think some have common-sense, are beginning to be aware of rumblings at the grassroots, and could be educable.

        If you are a Christian, PRAY every single day. Remember Pope CAlixtus’s “Turkish Bell” (look it up), I have developed a practice of praying every day, at midday, for 1/ the exposure and defeat of Jihad plots within the Infidel world 2/ sustaining grace for, and relief and deliverance of, persecuted non-Muslims within Muslim lands (e.g. Asia Bibi) and 3/ the Liberation of Muslims from Islam, and more specifically, their conversion to Christ. Every. single. day that is what I pray. If you’re a Christian, join me. It’s a good discipline.

        • Davegreybeard says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 11:05 pm

          Hi Dumbles, I am looking for a poem you posted once (I think it was you) about taking heart in the midst of a battle.

          As I recall, it was speaking of the fallen, as it was their sacrifice that allowed the future victory and also an admonition to warriors now in the heat of battle to take heart, because the tide was turning. Something about “Even now your unseen comrades put the enemy to flight…”

          Do you recall that one?

  35. alyn21 says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    These migrants are trying to get to Britain and Sweden because of the generous welfare benefits.
    These countries need to close their doors now! There is no more time for political correctness and while I think that Sweden may be a lost cause, Britain might still come back from the brink of disaster but time is running out.

  36. Newfie Templar says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 12:17 am

    Our numbers just increased by one.

    I had a hopeful conservative politician visit my door yesterday and I made it a point to let him know that the PC-MC nonsense that is crippling Europe has to be called out for what it is while Canada still has a chance to avoid what’s happening across the pond. I asked him to educate himself about this pernicious scourge that is ravaging the western world seemingly unchecked.

    Each one teach one. Tell one other person each day about this evil totalitarian idealogy that masquerades as a religion. It’s amazing how many people believe this is just a religion like any other.

    PS

    WordPress does not send me a valid link to change my password so I can’t log in to the main site.

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 12:31 am

      Newfie, do you have marc’s email address? Marc is Robert’s tech guy and perhaps he can assist you with this issue. Here’s his email in case you don’t have it: marc.louis@gmail.com

      Take care!

  37. Paulina says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 1:20 am

    At the Battle of Tours (led by Charles Martel), 1500 French soldiers died to stop the northward advance of Islam from the Iberian peninsula. This battle halted the Islamic conquests, and preserved Christianity in Europe. If Europe does not stop this mass influx of Muslim, Islam will be the dominant religion with its Sharia law in full force, then the soldiers who died would have died in vain.

  38. MV says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 2:34 am

    They lead the wrong kind of life, made bad decisions like not having democracy, not educating women, building violence and murder into their laws, following the outdated and barbaric sharia, following polygamy, encouraging fascism, not giving importance to the right kind of education like science and math but only giving importance to studying religious books making people unemployable etc. When other countries tried to make them change they resisted and said don’t interfere. Now see what they have done to themselves. Instead of looking within to see where they went wrong and changing, They are taking their flawed policies and attitudes to other counties to wreck them too. Countries that are a success because of democracy, human rights, equal rights to women, pluralism, respect for other cultures, fair courts and modern laws, constitutions, health care etc etc. Its very sad to see the destruction of Europe which will soon return to medieval age. Wits low birthrate and influx of Muslims its going to be over run with Muslim refugees who reproduce in large numbers. It will become part of an extended middle east. Now even the media is controlled by the Saudi money. Only the internet tells the truth. But for how long?

  39. voegelinian says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    Not counting my own posts on this one page of this comments thread, there are 48 instances of “voeg” (and, less frequently, “voegelinian”) peppering various comments by others; most of it representing needling nitpicking about me.

    • Champ says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      “…most of it representing needling nitpicking about me.”

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Something voeg liberally dishes out, but obviously can’t take …

    • Angemon says

      Aug 25, 2015 at 7:50 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “Not counting my own posts on this one page of this comments thread, there are 48 instances of “voeg” (and, less frequently, “voegelinian”) peppering various comments by others”

      As I said earlier:

      Voeg’s seemingly erratic behaviour makes perfect sense if it’s seen not in the light of a fully-fledged member of the CJ movement but in the light of someone who uses the CJ movement as a tool to get their daily fix of ego stroking.

      48 strokes in a topic – a record, I guess…

      “most of it representing needling nitpicking about me.”

      Could be. But since a) you have a history of not being able to accurately describe reality and b) I don’t know your definition of “most”, “needling” and “nitpicking”, we can only conclude that c) taking your words at face value it’s a case of your usual double standards (“it’s OK when I do it but if someone else does it then I’ll bawl like a toddler who dropped his ice cream on the side walk and then stood there, with a deer in headlights look, watching a dog licking said ice cream from the sidewalk”).

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 1:42 am

      Shorter vogon:

      “Enough of discussing jihad, now let’s talk about ME!”

  40. b horton says

    Aug 25, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Isis are scared assholes….period

    • Davegreybeard says

      Aug 26, 2015 at 12:58 am

      @ b horton
      “Isis are scared assholes….period”

      I wouldn’t count on the “scared” part just yet, b.
      But it’s certainly an objective to strive for.

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