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The Sad Case of Mogens Camre: Criminalizing Dissent in Denmark

Aug 22, 2015 10:00 pm By Robert Spencer

The war against the freedom of speech is international, and the fascists are advancing confidently.

Mogens Camre

“The Sad Case of Mogens Camre: Criminalizing Dissent in Denmark,” by Pamela Geller, Breitbart, August 19, 2015:

Danish politician Mogens Camre has become the latest casualty of the war against free speech.

Breitbart reported Wednesday that Camre, a “former member of the Danish parliament and European Parliament for the Danish People’s Party (Dansk Folkpartei, DF) was convicted of racism offences handed a £750 fine on Tuesday. The conviction came after he made a tweet in 2014 lamenting the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe caused by the immigration of religiously intolerant Muslims.”

The Palestinian who was responsible for the charges against Mogens Camre is a 30-year-old violent criminal and drug dealer named Samir Badran. In 2009, Samir Badran was sentenced to six years in prison. His brother Saied Badran was at the same time sentenced to eight years in prison. The prosecutor demanded that they be deported from Denmark and barred from returning, but that did not happen. Nor was this Samir Badran’s first brush with the law: when he was seventeen years old, he was given a one-year “conditional” jail sentence for unlawful imprisonment, violence and threats.

None of that mattered when he charged Mogens Camre with “racism.” Camre, after all, committed the worst offense of all: criticizing Islamic anti-Semitism and, by implication, Europe’s suicidal immigration policies. He had to be punished. In the new multicultural Europe, dissent is not tolerated.

The 79-year-old Camre is a highly respected politician in the Danish People’s Party. He has for years been that party’s elected representative in the parliament of the European Union. Our colleague and European partner, Anders Gravers of Stop Islamization of Europe, commented: “As far as I am concerned, Mogens Camre is a hero for his courage and truth-telling.” And it’s true: this is what Camre said last July. Where is the “racism” in it?

“Regarding the Jews’ situation in Europe: The Muslims are continuing where Hitler left off. Only the same treatment Hitler received will change the situation… Forces in the Islamic world who threaten non-Muslims should be fought, as Saddam Hussein, Bin Laden and Gaddafi were.”

After World War II and up to the 1970s, Europe was a safe place for Jews. That changed when Muslim immigration into Europe began its sharp increase. Slowly but surely, Jew-hatred grew in Europe — not among non-Muslim native Europeans, but within Muslim communities.

In light of that, Mogens Camre is not a racist. He is enunciating and standing for unpopular truths. What’s more, in Denmark, as elsewhere in Europe, the laws regarding “hateful” or “racist” speech are applied selectively. In Denmark, Muslims can say whatever they want against Jews, Danes and Americans without facing any charges or any kind of penalty. In this video, a Palestinian speaks openly about wanting to kill all Israelis and erase Israel from the map, and the police just stand next to him, hearing everything he says, and do nothing.

There was also an imam in Denmark who said that all Jews should be killed, but he also received the “Muhammed discount”: no “hate speech” or “racism” charges in Denmark. And all it took was a 10,000-Euro fine to satisfy German authorities.

It is clear that in Denmark, “hate speech” and “racism” are crimes that can only be committed by non-Muslim Danes, not by Muslims – no matter how extreme and threatening what they say really is.

It seems as if the Islamization of Denmark is really speeding up – as it is all over Europe. Muslims in Denmark and all over the continent can say anything they wish, and express their contempt and hatred for Jews and other non-Muslims with absolute impunity and no fear of any real consequences — but as soon as a Dane speaks the truth, then all hell breaks lose. Several Danish Facebook sites that are critical of Islam have even been closed down by Facebook including my the Facebook group run by Gravers, Stop the Islamisation of Denmark (SIAD).

Denmark seems determined to commit suicide, and to silence and punish anyone who dares speak out against its present suicidal policies. This is absolute madness.

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  1. Champ says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    I’m Champ, but it says that I’m logged in as “Wellington”?

    • Champ says

      Aug 22, 2015 at 10:08 pm

      Ok, but it still posts as Champ …

      Anyone else showing a different moniker before they post?

      • Wellington says

        Aug 22, 2015 at 10:36 pm

        Not a different moniker for me, Champ, but I did have to sign in again just now. Keep me posted.

      • Wellington says

        Aug 22, 2015 at 10:38 pm

        Second attempt here, Champ, at conveying to you that I have not experienced what you have but I did have to sign in again just now as well as write this SECOND missive to you.

        • Champ says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 1:42 am

          Today I’m also having to sign-in again, Wellington. Normally I sign-in once and that will last for days or even weeks.

        • Sodacrackers2 says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 6:45 am

          I am never able to post here, drives me crazy!

      • somehistory says

        Aug 22, 2015 at 11:37 pm

        Not showing a different name, but have had login problems all day. Login, then as I try to post, am not logged in. Back to login, same thing time and again. Somethings up. Yesterday, there was an error page for a large portion of my time on the computer.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 1:19 pm

          A couple of days ago, Jihad Watch was down for the longest time in recent history, several hours, with a curious error message I’ve never seen before. I’m surprised no one has mentioned it.

      • Mirren10 says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 3:31 pm

        Various people have commented about mistaken login names.

        That hasn’t happened to me, but a few days ago I made a comment, and was told ”your comment is awaiting moderation”. and it was a couple of hours before it posted.

        That hasn’t happened again, but I have to login afresh nearly every time I post a comment. Weird.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 22, 2015 at 10:46 pm

      Hi Champ,
      I had a similar experience with a different moniker pop up at the sign on screen.

      • Champ says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 1:44 am

        Hi Jay Boo, ok so you’re experiencing this, too.

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 6:17 am

          Every time I want to post a comment, I have to re-enter my name and e-mail.

          It has been like this for as long as I remember. I’m surprised that for some of you, the personal data is persistent.

          It’s no great hardship, it could even be considered an extra security measure. When the gestapo thought police impound your computer, they won’t be able immediately to prove that you commented on JW and what moniker you used. For that, they will have to request ISP logs and NSA records, which may not be worth the bother to them.

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 3:21 pm

          Sam, same here. For some reason I can’t log-in at all now. Like you, every time I want to leave a comment, I must provide my name “Champ” and email address. This is a new *issue*, but at least I’m able to post comments.

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 3:50 pm

          ” For some reason I can’t log-in at all now.”

          I’ve been having the same problem, Champ, but if one repeats the process several times eventually one gets logged in !

        • Champ says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 4:15 pm

          Thank you for the tip, Mirren10! 🙂

    • Brian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 7:40 am

      Not signed in as anyone else but had to log in multiple times…very frustrating….no doubt Islamofascists are behind this….

      Back to the article…The fact that a factual and true statement can be tweeted saying that antisemitism is on the rise across Europe because of Muslims targeting Jews and a court case and conviction is handed down to the tweeter because a violent criminal reports is as racist is actually frightening in it’s implication. This is now a precedent in law and we will the suppression of facts to do with Islamofascism from here on in….Islam/Satan are now truly on the march and all obstacles are falling before it.

    • marc says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 11:35 am

      Is that resolved now, the seeing wrong usernames?

      • Champ says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 3:03 pm

        Yes–the problem is resolved for me. Thanks marc!

      • Champ says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        marc, sorry but the problem has started up again …and I logged-in as a different poster.

    • Angemon says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      Yesterday I was apparently logged as marc, giving me a few extra options on the top menu 😀 It’s a known bug, Champ, and it happened a few times before, but it’s harmless. Annoying, but harmless.

      • Champ says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 3:05 pm

        Ok–thank you, Angemon! 🙂

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 10:26 pm

      Hi, Champ – This is getting quite silly and a little incestuous, don’t you think?! LOL. Remember I appeared to be logged in as Champ and here you were, logged in as Wellington, whom I once addressed as “Darling Wellington” after warning him I might! Totally LOL)))) Cheers! Quotha R

      • marc says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 10:32 pm

        but the logging in with others is long gone now i hope?

        • Champ says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 10:59 pm

          Sorry marc 🙁 …today I was logged-in as “Robert Spencer”, then “Mirren10”, but at least my comments still post as Champ.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:24 pm

          Champ – I’m just sayin’ – sometimes JW comments tend to veer unexpectedly into black humor or soap opera – equally fun for me, because I don’t have tv at all, and I have to find my entertainment where I can! I haven’t even a clue what most of the bigshot political faces even look like these days,,, When JW commenters hiccup, though,it feels just like someone (as another commenter put it – was it Jayell or one of those Jihad/### guys…anyway he said “jerked the tiller” What I mean to say is that I am culturally deprived:0 ! Know what I mean, Jelly Bean?)))))

          As far as I know, the odd sign in situation is resolved. That guy, Marc Louis (is that it?) is brill, and a very nice guy. Cheers! – Quotha R

      • Champ says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 11:01 pm

        Hi, quotha …yeah the name change thing is weird, but at least we can still post as ourselves 🙂

  2. Cartimandua says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    One law for a Norwegian speaking truth, bad, very bad. Another law for the lawless pretend Norwegian, good, very good. If this is what passes for truth and justice in Norway today, God help you. Better, rise up on your hind ends and stop the slagging of the once proud Norwegians. It is intolerable.

  3. jewdog says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    First, the Muslims defeated the Christians of Byzantium, and now they’re moving on to Rome. It’s just a matter of time before Europe is taken. The difference this time is that psychological, demographic and legalistic methods are being used. Surely the Europeans aren’t that stupid, or are they?

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:58 pm

      “First, the Muslims defeated the Christians of Byzantium, and now they’re moving on to Rome.”

      Muslims tried for a good 1,000 years to get the Western Rome (i.e., Europe). — and failed (the last major failure being the Siege of Vienna in 1683). During those centuries, there was much more parity between the two sides, militarily and technologically; and yet the West successfully held off the Mohammedans. The one factor that was not operative back then was PC MC; it was virtually non-existent (one can detect it as a minority view in, for example, French statesman and philosopher Michel de Montaigne (1533-1592)). Now we have nearly the opposite situation:

      1. Muslims are not trying to invade & conquer through frank military assaults.

      2. Muslims are still at war against us, but we don’t know we’re at war with Muslims.

      3. No longer are the two sides (Islam and the West) enjoying approximate parity in terms of military & technological capability, now the West is astronomically superior to Islam, not only in terms of military & technological capability, but also in terms of the health of her sociopolitical & cultural infrastructures, which contributes to strength.

      4. Because of this drastic reversal in military & technological capability, Muslims are pursuing their perennial war against us using alternatives to frank military assaults: namely, a Good Cop/Bad Cop strategy utilizing a combination of Stealth Jihad and Violent Jihad pretending as though the two are not part of the same strategy — through immigration, dawa, taqiyya, criminality, lawfare, and various styles of terror attack.

      One of the most important factors which facilitates Muslims in our time is the PC MC twitch, spasm or reflex to try to whittle the problem down to size. It can’t be Islam and all Muslims, not it can’t be, because if it were, we would be guilty of “racism” and “bigotry” – and that, of course, is the worst crime of all, far worse than millions of us being mass-murdered. So we must redefine the problem by tweaking here, tweaking there, denying this fact, denying that datum, until we have reconstructed a more palatable Problem to deal with that will somehow spare our ethical narcissism so we can still be robustly “anti-terror” but also avoid being “racist” and “bigoted”. This PC MC dynamic of racializing the problem of Islam, unfortunately, is also present in various degrees in the Counter-Jihad, though in milder or more muted forms, and in ways where the Denial torques into even more twisted contortions, since the Counter-Jihadist Softy who indulges it knows too much about the pernicious Islam of Muslims to be able to sustain the logic of their ethical narcissism in the full light of their consciousness (often, it seems as though their robustly anti-Islam rhetoric serves as a psychological comfort to assuage their inner anxiety of the profound disconnect between their refusal to condemn all Muslims and their growing horrified knowledge of the Islam of all Muslims along with Taqiyya).

      • voegelinian says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 2:00 pm

        minor correction:

        “It can’t be Islam and all Muslims, not it can’t be, because if it were, ”

        That “not” should be “no,”

  4. Wellington says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    Intolerance of massive intolerance is perfectly reasonable. Indeed, it’s a necessity if good things like liberty and equality under the law are to be preserved. Unfortunately, the highly intolerant religion which is Islam, when combined with the highly intolerant twin idiocies of political correctness and multiculturalism (pc/mc), produces a “perfect storm” whereby intolerance of massive intolerance is put into great jeopardy, such as with this case in Denmark.

    Islamic ideology alone cannot succeed. It never has and never will. This putrid ideology MUST rely upon an ally for success, whether it be the sword, threats aplenty, playing the victim-card or employing mind-numbed dhimmis—-such as those who really do believe that pc/mc is something good. Herein, I submit, lies a lesson that all who want to accurately gauge Islam should never dismiss or forget.

    • Huck Folder says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:18 am

      “This putrid ideology MUST rely upon an ally for success,”

      Those ‘allies’ are the brown-nosers of the worshipers of mo, the water-carriers for islam, the appeasers of every jihadi, the knee-jerk apologists of islamic intolerance, the genuflectors to cultural genocide, the ‘don’t-do-as-I-do,-do-do-as-I-say’ (more like: ‘do-as-I-tell-you,-not-as-I-do’) politicians who are deliberately destroying the previously tolerant indigene culture, in favor of an alien intolerant cult of nihilism,* the rabid FASCISTS who claim to be ‘anti-fascist’.

      Those ‘allies’ are the leftard bleeding-hearts, socialists/marxists/leninists of any and every stripe.

      The SINISter left are joined in Iblis’s unholy matrimony with inexorably evil ISLAM,
      their revulsive spawn are named as SINISLAM.

      * You MUST take in and support these so-called ‘refugees’, and ignore their every crime, no matter what it costs you in taxes, victims, and the suffering of real dispossessed indigenes, sent to the end of the line. YOU elected us, and we IMPOSE this on you in YOUR homes and neighborhoods, never in our homes, never in our neighborhoods.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 2:58 pm

      The PC MC doctrine of Tolerance seems not simplex, but complex:

      On the face of it, the doctrine seems utterly self-contradictory, or a marvel of a Zeno’s Paradox wrapped in a riddle in an enigma:

      Be tolerant of everyone—but don’t be tolerant of those who refuse to be tolerant of those who are intolerant—except where those who refuse to be tolerant of those who are intolerant are intolerant of those who refuse to be tolerant of those who are intolerant.

      Until we restore the missing ingredient: When we remind ourselves that the PC MC worldview of the mainstream West racializes the problem of Islam, we then see that the Paradox is not only wrapped in a riddle in an enigma, but further warmly enfolded in a steaming pita bread burrito:

      Be tolerant of everyone—but don’t be tolerant of those who refuse to be tolerant of Brown People who are intolerant.

      P.S. to stave off those whose own residues of PC MC anxiety would wonder whether (or assume that) I’m racist myself: the “Brown People” in that formula are Muslims in the perspective of PC MC which, as I already got through saying, irrationally racializes the problem of Islam.

      • Angemon says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 3:06 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “the “Brown People” in that formula are Muslims in the perspective of PC MC which, as I already got through saying, irrationally racializes the problem of Islam.”

        Nah, you’re the one who tries to make it a race issue. Pretending it’s other people won’t change that. You might be closer to home if you stuck with “foreign traditions” but you already stated that it’s a race thing and you were never one to back off in the face of facts and evidence.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 3:32 pm

          It’s an inference based upon a mountain of data which Angemon all these years remains strangely oblivious. Indeed, he’s standing in the shadow of that mountain right now, with this article here that reports the phenomenon which Jihad Watch has reported thousands of times over the years in different permutations. Angemon for some strange reason has never paused to ask the elementary question: “Why do PC MCs accuse people of ‘racism’ whenever they criticize Muslims too much?” Gee, could it be because they consider Muslims to be non-white (not in terms of pigment in a paint store, of course, as Angemon would likely quibble, but in terms of the Reverse Racism of PC MC, which is a tissue of incoherencies analyzed by many over the years — all of whom apparently Angemon has been strangely unaware).

          More importantly, why isn’t any other Jihad Watch reader calling Angemon on his bullshit?

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 3:56 pm

          voegelinian has some good thoughts, but I don’t know if this is the right place for him.

          When you rub so many people the wrong way, as he does, perhaps it would be better to move to the comments section of a more compatible blog?

          Note that I am not suggesting that he be banned, just something to consider of his own volition.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 6:36 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “It’s an inference based upon a mountain of data which Angemon all these years remains strangely oblivious.”

          First of all, you never explained your alleged inference. You just barge in, tell us what we must believe and try to silence any dissenting voices with lies and misrepresentations.

          Second, you’ve proven to be an unreliable source when it comes to inferring anything. You have, for example, “inferred” that someone saying “the problem comes from islam, not culture” was in fact going out of their way to avoid saying that the problem comes from islam. Recently you “inferred” that Robert Spencer was genuinely expecting for the islamic state to come forth and condemn the beheadings they’ve been doing in the last year and that Jamie Glazov was a former leftist and that interfered with his reasoning skills. To put it simply, it’s not just that you’re an unreliable source, it’s that you’re an unreliable source with a history of purposely and unapologetically lying about and misrepresenting people and situations.

          “Indeed, he’s standing in the shadow of that mountain right now, with this article here that reports the phenomenon which Jihad Watch has reported thousands of times over the years in different permutations.”

          Waiter, I asked for something with substance, not for a vacuous word salad!

          What you’re saying is that JW allegedly reported this “racialization” thousands of times but you’re unable to give an example. Got it – what you say is right, no need to provide evidence, and anyone saying anything different is wrong.

          “Angemon for some strange reason has never paused to ask the elementary question: “Why do PC MCs accuse people of ‘racism’ whenever they criticize Muslims too much?””

          This is a blatant lie. I’ve told you, to your face, on several occasions, that a charge of racism is quite effective in silencing people precisely because they know that racism is bad and they don’t want to be associated with it – even an unfounded charge of racism leaves a stench that never leaves:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/rutgers-prof-says-us-is-worse-than-the-islamic-state-then-complains-of-death-threats/comment-page-1#comment-1275890

          Angemon says

          August 2, 2015 at 2:33 pm
          (…)

          I also pointed out, many times, that charges of “racism” are thrown around as a blunt tool to silence criticism precisely because most people are not racist and consider racism to be a bad thing.

          As I said before, you have an history of purposely and unapologetically misrepresenting people and situations, and you’re living up to it – you’re here, lying to our faces, trying to create a narrative you know for a fact to be false. That you never gave a rebuttal to the point I make doesn’t mean my point magically disappears, it just means you’ve argued yourself into a corner. And the proof of it is that you’re here, lying about me and what I did (or in this case, allegedly didn’t).

          “Gee, could it be because they consider Muslims to be non-white”

          As I said above (and on several occasions prior to that), no. You never argued with what I said, you simply moved elsewhere and repeated your narrative. But, like I said, history, unapologetic, etc.

          “(not in terms of pigment in a paint store, of course, as Angemon would likely quibble”

          Never did, never will. Again, you’re showing to be terrible when it comes to judging intentions, so why should we trust your assertion that “PC MCs” look at, for example, the Chattanooga shooter and see a “brown person”?

          http://conservativetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Mohammed-Chattanooga-Shooter-Yearbook-1024×514.jpg

          As “brown” as they get, right? RIGHT???

          “but in terms of the Reverse Racism of PC MC”

          There’s no such thing as “reverse racism” anymore than there is “reverse murder” or “reverse rape” – there’s only racism, murder and rape, regardless of who practices them or whom they’re practiced on.

          “which is a tissue of incoherencies analyzed by many over the years”

          Did any of those analysts claimed the “PC MCs” were racializing the issue and seeing “brown people” everywhere or is that your take?

          “all of whom apparently Angemon has been strangely unaware).”

          Right, so apparently I’m unaware of those analysts and reports you never mentioned or quotes from and therefore… I don’t know, I thought I was calling you out on the absurdity of what you said but apparently there were more people saying the same thing and, huh, appeal to numbers?

          “More importantly, why isn’t any other Jihad Watch reader calling Angemon on his bullshit?”

          First of all, that’s a loaded question. The simpler answer would be “because, like I demonstrated above, what I said is not bullshit and therefore I can’t be called on what does not exist”.

          Secondly, why is that so important to you, apparently enough to justify lying about me and what I’ve said? It’s always about numbers with you, isn’t it? You need to have someone to fight your battles for you, or reply for you to queries made at you regarding your ideas. Numbers, numbers, numbers.

          I have a theory on that. My theory is that you’re a terrible thinker. You spit out semblances of ideas who don’t hold up to scrutiny (like your idea that we in the West shouldn’t do anything if a muslim mistreats another muslim, which would amount to, among others, legalizing honor killings) and thus you have to rely on others to do the bulk of the thinking for you.

          But if you think that the most important thing is whether or not anyone else calls me out on what I said (since you’re proven incapable to do so), then you have issues.

        • Champ says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 pm

          voeg wrote:

          More importantly, why isn’t any other Jihad Watch reader calling Angemon on his bullshit?

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          What an asinine question. Because there isn’t any “bullshit” coming from Angemon, that’s why!

          The only “bullshit” is coming from voeg–as he continues to lie and mischaracterize Angemon.

          And Mirren10 is right …voeg has *seriously* lost his way.

        • Champ says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 7:21 pm

          Sam wrote:

          “voegelinian has some good thoughts, but I don’t know if this is the right place for him.”

          I agree, it isn’t!

          “When you rub so many people the wrong way, as he does, perhaps it would be better to move to the comments section of a more compatible blog?”

          I concur, but would *hate* to see another blog be subjected to his mean-spirited attacks. The best place for voeg is his OWN blog: Hesperado.

          “Note that I am not suggesting that he be banned, just something to consider of his own volition.”

          I for one would like to see voeg banned–again, since he won’t leave of his volition. I state this because he’s already been banned 4 or 5 times, but he keeps coming back.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 3:14 pm

          Sam Hawkins vaguely alludes to “When you rub so many people the wrong way” but does not specify. Such a charge demands evidence to avoid the appearance of scurrilous rumor-mongering and rabble-rousing. Only three people on Jihad Watch routinely attack me (and one of them has been oddly absent for at least a month or two now). The rest either completely ignore what’s going on, whistling and looking the other way, or once in a blue moon get around to lifting their little finger to to say something vaguely negative about me without ever providing evidence or a persuasive argument. Occasionally I fall off my chair in surprise when someone actually compliments me. This does not resemble “so many people” being “rubbed the wrong way”.

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 9:02 pm

          This is in reply to quotha raven.

          Thank you, first of all, for a very interesting and thought provoking comment.

          Most of what you say, I thoroughly agree with.

          However, when you start to speak of the UN Agenda 21 and various conspiracy theories relating to that, that is when I begin to question.

          I don’t for one second question the hypothesis that there are *many* people who would absolutely *love* to be in, and orchestrate, the kind of scenario you’re talking about.

          There has always been, right from the start of any movements of humanity,as soon as we ever organised ourselves into any sort of group that wasn’t simply egoistic, those who would love to control others,

          The desire to control. to force others into what is perceived to be a best case scenario, a vision of the future fuelled by all sorts of political/religious doctrines, has always been there. It’s what people are like .

          I, myself, think; yes,* I* know what is right, and by skippy, everyone else should agree with me. And there are so many other people who totally disagree with me ! Whoops !

          Which leads me further, to your argument.

          I don’t all disagree that there are many very wicked, evil people, who would embrace that sort of thing with open arms.

          Where I part company with you, is in your assumptions. First of all, one must assume, in order for this scenario to be at all viable, that there is some sort of organised, super intelligent cabal, who all have one goal in mind.

          Now, I’m a historian. I have studied history; events, what people *do*, and the incidences of people working in concert in order to achieve a desired objective, are far and far between.

          Further, there is a history of people who seek to put into place what you’;re talking about.

          The English Civil War. Cromwell wanted a Commonwealth. Where everyone was to fulfill what the Government saw as godly. He failed.

          The Russian Revolution 1917. Lenin, and later, Stalin, believed they had created a ‘new world order’ that would exist long after they were dead. They failed. How long did the Revolution last ? How long did the Communist world last ?

          Pol Pot.

          There are numerous other historical examples.

          What it comes down to, in my mind, is that, yes, there has always been, and always will be, those who seek power, riches, influence.

          Those who try to get it through political means, such as the EU. UN, are really no different than the medieval knights who jockeyed for lands and glory.

          The difference, is, here, is that one has a group of people who aren’t simply in it for what they can get, but are **idealists**. They want to change the world, not for what they can get out of it, but because they want to change everything to encapsulate their vision.

          Your scenario of a world wide cabal intent on enslaving the rest of humanity, doesn’t fit with common sense, or with historical experience.

          For what you’re saying to be true, one would have to be totally au fait, and in aggreeance with, everything one’s opposite number wanted. How many human beings, let alone *countries* can this be said of ?

          And finally, I have no confidence, belief, in the intelligence and abilities of politicians to organise themselves out of an expenses/sex scandal. These are the people whom you think are involved in a vast, clever, world wide scam.

          I would need a **vast** portfolio of evidence, before I could even think there was a smidgen of truth here.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 28, 2015 at 6:13 pm

          To Mirren10 –

          Thank you for yours above. It is always good to hear a historian’s views. Your perspective is so reassuring when you assess “conspiracy theories” in the light of history….and common sense. My own background/career is in investigations,and, later, supervising investigations for the NYPD, until I retired, to become a country newspaper reporter. I am not a historian,although I am very interested in history. I’m lazy about pursuing a really solid education in history.

          To address evil people – I tend not to judge people as good or evil, I have a very hard time applying these labels to whole groups of people and rarely, if ever, do it, I don’t think even the greedy New World Order bankers are “evil” per se. Greedy and destructive, yes, like most of our politicians these days. I try not to make assumptions or conclusions “before all the evidence is in,” trying to maintain objectivity as best I can.

          That said, I don’t see the New World Order as being ordered by a power-hungry group or united faction. As to the UN, and specifically UN Agenda 21, while I don’t perceive any conspiracy per se, I have seen aspects of its being implemented in, for example, Westchester County, NY, where County Legislator and later County Executive Rob Astorino has fought the good fight to stop the invasion of Section 8 housing (in agreement with if not in “compliance” with UN Agenda 21 objectives) projects in the middle of places they really have no business being. Astorino also ran for Governor of NYS. Unfortunately,(in my view), he lost to Andrew Cuomo, who came straight from heading up the Federal Housing Authority and is the son of previous governor Mario Cuomo, Andres is not my cup of tea.

          When I was active (as a participating member of the public, not as a candidate) in local government, these “regional committees”, appointed, not elected, in NYS were actively pursuing the Agenda 21 measures Astorino was fighting. I forget whether committee members were appointed by the NYS governor or the County Executive. I only became aware of this through hands-on investigation of what was happening in my own village in Dutchess County, to the immediate north of Westchester.

          Very boring, I’m sure, but this is where my discomfort regarding the UN in part comes from. But I’ve always been leery of that organization. When I lived in NYC, a friend and I used to go for drinks at the UN Plaza Hotel and play “spot the spies”))) Great fun.

          When I read UN Agenda 21 online at a friend’s insistence and in connection with some housing projects local government was trying to impose on an enraged local population, I was pretty shocked to see that what she’d been telling me was true and being enacted right in the shadows of our own back yards. So my appreciation for the “conspiracy” is limited to what I could in fact substantiate in
          govt activities I could verify. That these committees and activities really were happening in my neighborhood is not a question for me; they were also in fact in total compliance with the UN Agenda 21.

          I have never seriously entertained the “organized, super intelligent cabal, who all have one goal in mind” theory, and I view those who do as a bit batty and not the sharpest knife in the box,the whole concept seems pretty wild and unlikely, if not totally ridiculous. Even though I would love to know just what the Bilderbergers and the Tri-Lateral Commission et al really do get up to! LOL.

          Thanks particularly for pointing out that there have been “new world orders” before w/examples I am familiar with. Of course you are right. I might not concede that communism is dead, though, even while the Soviet Union disbanded. I see communist ideals and rhetoric rampant, even embedded, in the US government, The Supreme Court has aided this slide towards the left and the abrogation of so many of our Constitutional rights and continues to eat away at the individualism and free enterprise that once characterized my country. I’m super-sensitive to the rhetoric and tend to see trending towards collectivism, while I don’t come close to accepting or espousing any vast, organized conspiracy.

          The New World Order, in any case, is less about communist rhetoric and more about the eradication of sovereign nation-states. So paranoia about that might lead me to distrust the UN so embraced by Marxians and Leftists, and those who would impost a One World Government (which I agree with you is unlikely to impossible). We in the USA, however, are already subject to, for example, many draconian environmental measures through agreements we’ve made with the UN. Our government bureaucracies love to enforce them. This bypasses the correct (according to our Constitution) congressional role in enacting laws. However, “regulations” have the same impact and force as “laws” when these bureaucracies are tasked with enforcing them.

          I hope, Mirren, this helps to clarify the mistaken impression I gave with mine to you. I always read with special attention your comments here at JW. And I apologize to JW readers for going way OT and explaining more than they ever wanted to know!

          Cheers!

          Quotha R

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 28, 2015 at 6:46 pm

          Mirren – I left out something I wanted to say at the end of the next-to-last paragraph, when I note how “regulations” have the same impact as “law”. Here it is:

          Nearly everyone in the USA shudders in fear at the prospect of tangling with the Internal Revenue Service. I think law-abiding people, including me, fear them more than jack-booted police, in fact.

          Cheers! qr

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:07 pm

          Voegelinian wrote:

          Occasionally I fall off my chair in surprise when someone actually compliments me.
          ……………………………

          Well, I compliment you fairly frequently, Voeg. You must, in fact, spend a great deal of time falling off your chair as a result. I hope you have a nice, comfy cushion or two to land on… 🙂

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:35 pm

          To Graven – Re yrs to Voeg, ditto. But then, maybe he’s at the beach, facing east toes at the edge of the Atlantic tide,, bathing in the sea breeze, on a chair only about 5″ off the sand, which is covered by a beach towel. That’s frankly where I wish I were! I’m off topic and incapable of anything but silliness. Sorry. “s been a long day. Cheers! Quotha.R

      • Mirren10 says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 5:42 pm

        Voeg, re your theory that the PC/MC mindset is focused on protecting ‘brown people’ aka muslims; why doesn’t thati mindset kick in with reference to *other* ‘brown people’, like Hindus, Sikhs, Pakistani Christians, Thais, Burmese, etc etc ?

        The Burmese, in particular, have fought back, and are fighting back, against jihad in Thailand. Why aren’ they ‘protected’, because they’re ‘ brown’ ?

        It seems to me there’s a fundamental flaw in your reasoning.

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 5:47 pm

          You say it is **more important** that the rest of us “call Angemon on his bullshit”.

          If that is truly more important to you, you have seriously lost your way.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 6:51 pm

          Indeed, Mirren, PJ made that same argument months ago. Why aren’t Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Middle-Eastern Christians, etc. given the same breaks as muslims if it’s all about skin colour? And why is it that when muslims and non-muslims clash, Western policy makers tend to favour muslims, even if they’re fighting people of the same ethnicity, differing only in religion?

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 3:27 pm

          ” why doesn’t thati mindset kick in with reference to *other* ‘brown people’, like Hindus, Sikhs, Pakistani Christians, Thais, Burmese, etc etc ?”

          Good question. I’ve analyzed that many times before. It’s complex and can’t be boiled down to a short post. I can try to put it in a nutshell — that the mechanism for irrational respect and deference to non-white non-Western cultures in general — a tendency the West had already been pursuing before Muslims came (back) on our radar — has (especially post-911) become operative for Muslims. And because Muslims — unlike all other non-Western minorities — perpetrate internationally deadly and networked violence and threaten such violence (and all too often make good on their threats), they have elbowed their way (or rather skyrocketed) up to the top of the Minority Food Chain. So much so, that PC MCs are quite willing to throw all other politically correct grievance-mongering causes and peoples under the bus if they come in conflict with Muslims — non-Muslim blacks, browns, yellows, gays, women, modern artists expressing their cultural revolution freedom; etc.

          As I say, I’ve written many essays on this, among which:

          Lawrence Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations, and Muslims

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2010/03/lawrence-austers-first-law-of-majority.html

          Morosophy and the Mother of all Others

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2010/05/morosophy-and-mother-of-all-others.html

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 3:36 pm

          Note: with my “Lawrence Auster” essay I linked, the reader would likely feel they hadn’t had their question answered until they read a bit past halfway of the long essay — at the point where I actually get into “Auster’s Law”.

          Thus, building upon my argument about the West’s generally irrational anxiety about “racism” and White Guilt about its Colonialist “shameful chapters” of history, blah blah yadda yadda, I note:

          [QUOTE]

          … a curious and perverse mechanism comes into play, which recalls Lawrence Auster’s First Law of Majority-Minority Relations:

          The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society, the bigger become the lies of Political Correctness in covering up for that group.

          And Auster explains:

          “This increasingly undeserved favorable treatment of an increasingly troublesome or misbehaving minority or non-Western group can take numerous forms, including celebrating the group, giving the group greater rights and privileges, covering up the group’s crimes and dysfunctions, attacking the group’s critics as racists, and blaming the group’s bad behavior on white racism.”

          What Auster has not sufficiently explained, though, is why one particular designated ethnic minority, Muslims, have astronomically surpassed all other ethnic minorities in terms of enjoying the perverse privileges described by this law. The explanation is implicit in his First Law, since Muslims by their expressions and behaviors serve to augment and exacerbate the crucial “worse behavior” factor in that Law’s formulation.

          Additional factors unique to Muslims illuminate this:

          1) Violence:

          Muslims are more violent than any other designated ethnic minority.

          a) Quantitatively: Muslims are by far more violent — both in terms of sheer numbers of acts of violence and the geographical dispersion of violence over the globe — than any other designated ethnic minority (even blacks, whose putative problem of violence Auster spends a lot of time discussing and documenting on his site, pale (pun intended) in comparison to Muslims by an astronomic factor).

          b) Qualitatively: Muslims are not only astronomically more violent quantitatively, their violence is qualitatively more gruesome (e.g., beheadings, mutilations, torture) and deadly (e.g., mass explosions, mass raids or razzias as seen in Mumbai, the potential for deployment of WMDs of various kinds, etc.).

          c) Networking Capability: Aside from quantitative and qualitative violence that astronomically exceeds the violence of any other designated ethnic minority, there is the greater capability Muslims possess to deliver on threats of violence — demonstrating the fanatical will to do so as well as greater sociological support among fellow Muslims, and international networks to actualize that support.

          2) Demographics:

          Aside from the violence factor, the sheer numbers and global dispersion of Muslims tends to lend additional weight to those who have an aversion to being “prejudiced” and “bigoted” and “racist” against a perceived ethnic people. The strong critic of Islam instantly becomes a person arraying himself against an Entire People hailing from all over the world, by the hundreds of millions: a majority of them (much less all of them) can’t possibly be dangerous — therefore they aren’t; is the logic. And when that Entire People is perceived to be Ethnic, that clinches the deal: the Islam critic must be a “racist” “hater” and any data he brings to the table must be ignored since it is axiomatically prejudged that any and all such data must be tendentiously supporting that “racist” “hatred”.

          [END QUOTE]

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 12:44 am

          Mirren10 says

          August 23, 2015 at 5:47 pm

          You say it is **more important** that the rest of us “call Angemon on his bullshit”.

          If that is truly more important to you, you have seriously lost your way.

          Did Mirren even stop to consider what the “it” actually is (as opposed to what she impulsively assumed), which I’m saying is less important? Obviously, from the comment in question, the “it” refers to my setting Angemon straight — which is far less important, since Angemon obviously is too obtuse and obsessed to bother with. I.e., the problem of Angemon in this regard is not Angemon, but the other Jihad Watch readers who don’t call him on his bullshit.

        • Angemon says

          Aug 26, 2015 at 10:15 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Did Mirren even stop to consider what the “it” actually is (as opposed to what she impulsively assumed), which I’m saying is less important? Obviously, from the comment in question, the “it” refers to my setting Angemon straight”

          First of all, you might want to keep track of what you write. Mirren queried about this:

          More importantly, why isn’t any other Jihad Watch reader calling Angemon on his bullshit?”

          The only “it” in that is on the end of “bullshit”, so your explanation makes even less sense than your usual nonsenses.

          Second, you lied about me and my stance, even though, as I proved, you’re perfectly aware of them – if that’s “setting someone straight” then you have serious issues.

          “which is far less important, since Angemon obviously is too obtuse and obsessed to bother with. I.e., the problem of Angemon in this regard is not Angemon, but the other Jihad Watch readers who don’t call him on his bullshit”

          Let’s play a game I like to call “Spot the obvious contradictions”:

          1 – According to you, you “set me straight” but I’m “too obtuse and obsessed to bother with” so a) how did you set me straight if I’m too obtuse and b) why would you even try if I’m too obtuse and obsessed (about what?)?

          2 – According to you, there’s no point in bothering with me (even though you went out of your way to willingly lie about me), however you expect others to do just that. How does that logic work?

          3 – If you are working under the assumption that calling someone on their “bullshit” (and I’ll remind you again, you lied about me and my stance instead of rebutting my criticism) is somehow productive, why are you still beating dead horses, even though many users have called you out on what you said while you offered no rebuttal (presumably because “they’re too obtuse and obsessed, and it’s up to others to call them on their BS”)?

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 9:49 am

          To voegelinian;

          Thank you for your reply.

          I read it carefully, also the Auster essay on your blog.

          It seems to me that, whilst there are truths in what Auster says, and your critique of what he says, it is by no means the whole story.

          In a nutshell, what you both say is that muslims get a pass because there are a lot of them, and they’re more violent than any other perceived ethnic group.

          This doesn’t explain why, for example, the Burmese are being excoriated for their treatment of the Rohynga muslims.

          Nor does it explain why the people of the Central African Republic are excoriatedfor fighting back against muslim agression; ditto the SouthSudanese. That is just three examples, note that the Burmese, the people of the CAR, and the South Sudanese, are all brown, ethnic people.

          It seems to me there is an additional factor; many, many people admire and find pleasure in violent acts committed by others – there is an admiration of *power* and a nascent desire not only to admire it, but to make excuses for it, because in the minds of some, *power (violence) makes right*.

          This isn’ to say I disagree with the points made by yourself and Auster, just that I don’t think its the *entire* story.

          Other factors would include *money*. When one considers that many Western unis receive large grants from ME countries, including the KSA and Qatar, this adds another incentive to exculpate muslim violence.

          Also, we have tools like camoron, determined to make London the hub of sharia finance, because there will be a great deal of profit in it fir him and the Tories generally.

          I also think, although of course I can’t prove it, that many poliicians and powerful people are busily trousering bribes, and lucrative deals from, for example, the KSA and Qatar.

          Add into the mix the endemic anti-Semitism within the EO, and the UN, and within the minds of many in the West.

          So, whilst as I said, I don’t entirely disagree with your premise, I think it is a lot more convoluted than ‘it’s because they’re brown’.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 12:52 pm

          To Mirren10 –

          Oh, my, yes, the “money factor”!

          American universities and colleges are rolling in Muslim money. Harvard and Yale in particular spring to mind, and Columbia University and Princeton, but hundreds of our “institutions of higher learning” are replete with middle-eastern cash. Traditional education is thrown under the bus in favor of mind-numbing indoctrination in large part determined by those who donate the most cash, and very significantly by the US government via grants and the power to reduce or take them away.

          As to despicable politicians of all parties, yours in the UK and EU and ours in the USA, “trousering” vast sums, the situation is obvious and murky at the same time and completely disheartening to those normal, hardworking souls who barely have time to despair the loss of “representative government” in the West. Welcome to Post-Constitutional USA, etc, etc.

          Jihad, in its various forms and guises and certainly including terrorism, is a high profile aspect of the reality ushering in totalitarianism and the New World Order, “ordered” in my view, by multi-national corporations in a classically fascist way, with power to govern being transferred stealthily and effectively to the United Nations. See UN Agenda 21, for chilling example.

          Aspects of Agenda 21 are already in force here in USA with, for example, “regional committees” – appointed, not elected by the people – who partner with our Federal Housing Authority to install “Section 8” housing (akin to your council housing) in the midst of whatsoever neighborhood they choose to target while ignoring the howls of protest from local residents. Westchester County in New York State,is one such example with which I am familiar, but this is happening all over the country, whether or not people are aware of it,

          And one would be well-served to examine closely UN draconian regulations, taxes and fines disguised as environmental concern and effecting an enormous transfer of wealth and power away from those who should be in charge to those who in my view shouldn’t…and their trousers pockets.

          While my thoughts on the New World Order are somewhat off topic, the money meme is critical to understanding what’s going on, even more important, I believe, than the “brown people” factor, a convenience used to manipulate the consciences and thinking of Westerners already inclined towards political correctness and the virtues multi-culturalism.

          Jihad, and war in the middle east – USA started, facilitates, and funds this – as well .as the immigration policies of Europe, GB, the USA and the rest of the West are effective tools for the insidious launch of the NWO with (the European Union and) the semi-transparent military/industrial complex leading the march to end national sovereignty and facilitating chaos and a vast, global shift of power.

          While some may dismiss these views as demonstrative simply of conspiracy paranoia, I came to them over years of watching power shifts and enhancements throughout the world, My apologies for veering off into OT, but thank you for inspiring and indulging me.

          Cheers!

          Quotha R

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 10:21 am

          voegelinian says;

          ”Did Mirren even stop to consider what the “it” actually is (as opposed to what she impulsively assumed), which I’m saying is less important? Obviously, from the comment in question, the “it” refers to my setting Angemon straight … ”

          What nonsense.

          You specifically said, ” ** More importantly**, why isn’t any other Jihad Watch reader calling Angemon on his bullshit ?”

          Do you really think no-one is going to re-read what you actually said, when you try to wriggle out of something you know you said, but now realise puts you in a foolish light ?

          You seem to me to becoming more and more disingenuous.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:25 pm

          I believe there’s another factor to why the “Politically Correct” so often give violent Muslims a pass–that is because they are *not* easy to champion.

          This may sound perverse, and *it is*. The PC have taken a benignant–and largely Christian–concept of sympathy for those who are in some ways difficult to sympathise with–the poor, the homeless, the ill, the disabled, those with mental problems–and extended it to those who are deliberately vicious and cruel.

          This is why so many of the “Politically Correct” positively salivate over violent felons, especially those on death row. These murderers are almost always the worst of the worst–not easy to like, to put it mildly.

          And this is why the PC believe that sympathy for such monsters *reflects well on them*. Never mind their victims–except when they are other thugs, they are often *much* easier to like–and so the PC regard them, often, with thinly disguised contempt.

          Violent Jihadists are these criminals writ large. And so their victims–Christians and other Infidels, young girls, aid workers, Atheist bloggers–all generally easy people to care about in the whole scheme of things–must be ignored in favor of this sympathy for the devil.

          This does not explain the whole phenomenon–there are other factors–but it is one of the major ones. I have run across it more times than I can mention.

        • quotha raven` says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:42 pm

          To Gravenimage – Wow. A bientot! I will respond to yours above. Very thought-proviking. Later (demain))))

          (give me one glass of whiskey, and I go completely silly and half French. Go figure!) qr

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 28, 2015 at 7:01 pm

          Thanks so much, Quotha. It is, depressingly, a very common phenomenon.

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 29, 2015 at 1:51 am

          “This doesn’t explain why, for example, the Burmese are being excoriated for their treatment of the Rohynga muslims.

          Nor does it explain why the people of the Central African Republic are excoriatedfor fighting back against muslim agression; ditto the SouthSudanese. That is just three examples, note that the Burmese, the people of the CAR, and the South Sudanese, are all brown, ethnic people.”

          My sub-points under #1 did explain this. Burmese and other non-Muslim Brown People are not threatening the world with networking capabilities as part of a worldwide ideology. That’s why the PC MCs favor the Muslims over them. It’s a combination of fear of getting killed + deference to their (perceived) ethnicity. You have to add both factors, and understand the various aspects of the violence factor (networking, threatening the world, attacking the world — remember 911, et fucking cetera…?)

          For some reason, you are not holding all my points together in your mind whilst responding.

          ‘

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 29, 2015 at 2:51 am

          To Voeg – You know what? I’m beginning to agree with those who find you hairsplitting, obnoxious,and, sorry, full of shit. I’ve gone back and forth with you in good faith, but you seem psychologically challenged. It’s your ego, dude! If you really wanted to communicate ideas here, you’d be less offensive! You present as someone with a gigantic attitude, an egocentric, with a spectacularly closed mind .

          I’ll still read and appreciate and respond to what you have to say, but…SOCK OFF, Sweetie This is a response way more supportive than “get lost” as some here say..LOL

          To some I find insufferable here, I respond, “Jump back, Loretta”, but to you, who I think may have some potential for interesting perspective, I say “Hello, hello…do you wish to communicate? Or would you rather fool around with your ego, or whatever that is that motivates you?” Just askin’.

          I do recognize and appreciate the effort you made, however briefly, to incorporate paragraphs into your comments! Merci, as my French Huguenot forbears might say. Cheers! Quotha R

          Cheers! Quotha R

        • Angemon says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 8:27 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “My sub-points under #1 did explain this.”

          No, they don’t.

          “That’s why the PC MCs favor the Muslims over them. It’s a combination of fear of getting killed + deference to their (perceived) ethnicity.”

          And now you’re doing what you usually do: say something else, pretend that’s what you always said and that others are in the wrong.

          “You have to add both factors”

          Except there were no two factors to begin with, according to you: it’s “PC MCs” who “racialize the issue” and “perceive muslims as brow people”. Remember?

          “For some reason, you are not holding all my points together in your mind whilst responding.”

          Again, you started with one point alone and now you’re pretending otherwise – you should consider trademarking that move.

        • Mirren10 says

          Aug 30, 2015 at 7:19 am

          voegelinian says;

          ”For some reason, you are not holding all my points together in your mind whilst responding”

          You just can’t help yourself, can you ?

          I made points, quotha made points, gravenimage made an *excellent* point, but for some reason you are not holding all those points together in your mind whilst responding.

          In fact, you don’t even mention them.

    • J says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 1:13 pm

      Quotha R,

      Do you have the source for what you are saying about muslim money in our universities? please provide a link.

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 27, 2015 at 4:49 pm

        To J – who asks, “Do you have the source for what you are saying about muslim money in our universities? please provide a link.”

        I’m sorry, but I don’t have a link to provide you, nor do I at the moment have the time to do the research, but I assure you that, having spent years married to a Yale grad, Columbia PhD and university professor (all the same guy, btw))), this is commonly known and appreciated (or bemoaned) by academics in the USA. I don’t know whether you are writing from the USA or elsewhere.

        Saudi Arabia has given sufficient money to fund a chair, I believe, at Harvard. That might be a place to start, if you are moved to do some research yourself. Columbia, also. Generous Middle Eastern donations to our colleges and universities are in part responsible for the growth in recent years of “middle eastern studies” departments and related disciplines.

        Sorry I can’t be of more specific help, but I left the halls of academe some years ago and am not up on the latest figures. Cheers! Quotha R

        • marc says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 5:55 pm

          in all the london universities we have been seeing it from decades, this was a well known case
          http://www.theguardian.com/education/2011/mar/03/lse-director-resigns-gaddafi-scandal

  5. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    So a drug dealer criminal gets justice by the conviction of a politician as a racist who bemoans intolerance and antisemitism. Wow. When Hillary finally gets elected, she’ll put Huma Abedin in charge of a new law to make it a felony to criticize a religion. Now, that’s not quite state establishment of a religion, but given the one “religion” that will be criticized and file lawsuits, it will come close. They’re winning, which means we’re losing.

    Not on Republican candidate has yet brought up Hillary’s support of the OIC Resolution. Maybe they don’t know, or don’t care. But then again, maybe they don’t wanna be stabbed to death coming out of a campaign rally.

    • RonaldB says

      Aug 22, 2015 at 10:57 pm

      More than likely, they figure that not one voter in 100 will have a clue what they’re talking about if they bring up the OIC.

      Several of the candidates have indicated that they think “radical” Islam is a danger, including Trump and Cruz. Their constituency is perfectly aware of the dangers of Islam and are aware that the Obama administration is importing high numbers of Muslim refugees. The correct position is to oppose further illegal immigration and amnesty, and to be highly selective in admitting any more immigrants.

      Hillary’s natural constituency will at best be completely indifferent to the OIC. More than likely they will support its drive to criminalize critical speech. Taking the time to make it an issue will not gain the Republicans any votes they would not have already.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 12:17 pm

        Taking the time to make it an issue will not gain the Republicans any votes they would not have already.

        I disagree, but point taken. It is high time that the Republicans throw out its playbook and speak the plain truth.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      “So a drug dealer criminal gets justice by the conviction of a politician as a racist who bemoans intolerance and antisemitism. Wow.”

      I wouldn’t say Wow about a phenomenon that has been repeated with mind-numbing regularity in a multitude of different ways throughout the entire West for at least the past 15 years (with regard to Islam — and prior to that for several decades with regard to “ethnic minorities”).

      • quotha raven says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 7:38 pm

        To Voeg, who sez

        “I wouldn’t say Wow about a phenomenon that has been repeated with mind-numbing regularity in a multitude of different ways throughout the entire West for at least the past 15 years (with regard to Islam — and prior to that for several decades with regard to “ethnic minorities”)”.

        Absolutely right. But maybe APF doesn’t mean “wow” as in “WOW”, but only that little whispered “wow” – NOT in italics (yours) – one might say when pondering the latest specific instance of this pernicious international phenomenon to be reported here at JW. From his long history of cogent comments here, I don’t think APF is exactly surprised about what transpired in Denmark.

        AND, Voeg, while I’m aware “you rub….people the wrong way,” I hope you will ignore Sam Hawkins’s carefully phrased suggestion above that you find yourself “a more compatible blog” in which to comment. However inadvertently, he is suggesting that dissident voices be gently nudged from here to a place where there is less opposition to them and, of course, less exposure of those voices to him (or us).

        Sam’s suggestion and the thinking behind it indicates hubris and an intolerance, if not outright antagonism, to differing opinions that may bruise – or inform – the sensibilities of those who think alike…known in some circles as sheep, preaching to the choir. NON!

        Readers and commenters here have thick enough skins – some of your critics, included – to soldier on, agreeing, disagreeing and, most importantly, contributing to the discussion this site affords.

        Far from being a Johnny One Note, Voeg, you address a number of complex aspects of jihad, the western response to it and the pernicious Politically Correct MultiCultural patients and “ethical narcissism”; many would be deprived of serious, authentic, thoughtful ideas put forth by you about these and other critically important concepts and occurrences, were you to skidaddle to a cozier, less bombastic venue. What can Sam be thinking?

        From my point of view, your remarks are well-placed, valuable and largely appreciated, even if disagreed with, here on JW, and you seem quite able to defend yourself in those matters at which some spirited and perfectly articulate (even though sometimes a trace of foam can be detected at the corners of their mouths) take umbrage.

        Disagreement is the essence of free speech, absolutely fundamental to it. If the back and forth here is too much for Sam’s delicate sensibilities, maybe it is he who should seek out a kinder, gentler venue.

        Cheers! Quotha R

  6. Jay Boo says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    It is so obvious that Islam is up to its prayer mat knees in buckets of blood.

    Muslims with oil money manipulating the media.
    That is why Anders must have flipped out in Norway.
    Don’t trust the news media, — or even TV docudramas etc.

  7. somehistory says

    Aug 22, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    The beast from satan and the image he, as the dragon, helped to build, is demanding worship…and demanding with threats of death, and threats of jail and threats of fines..and the threats are being carried out in actions daily; and the governments and media are helping to enforce the worship

    satan is an enemy of truth. His children tell lies and officials stand by looking on; those opposed tell the truth and pay a heavy price.
    (Revelation 13).

  8. mortimer says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 12:15 am

    Muslims are using religion as an excuse for their own intolerance of other religions or races. Islamic Jew hatred is only part of the MANY GROUPS Muslims are commanded to HATE.

    Islam is not just a Death Cult…Islam is also a HATE CULT.

    • Jay Boo says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:39 am

      Very true
      In fact Islam is not even truly a religion.
      Islam is merely an excuse.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 4:32 am

      The “excellent pattern” praised in Koran 60:4 (part of Islamic law) is:
      “between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone”.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:44 pm

      Islam is not just a Death Cult…Islam is also a HATE CULT.

      If you think about it, is there any difference between the two? It’s only a matter of which stage in the procession, I think.

  9. Westman says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 12:15 am

    Heil dhimmi Al-Dhenmahrki. A country that just 8 years was regarded as the European country in which one coiuld live the American Dream. No more, now there is no freedom of speech, the supression of which is the first sign of a dictatorship.

  10. mortimer says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 12:18 am

    Islam is a political ideology of supremacism, misogyny and fascism. Those aspects of Islam need to be discussed.

    NOT discussing them won’t make them go away…but merely allow them to advance in Denmark unopposed.

  11. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 12:46 am

    This piece by Pamela Geller is opinion rather than reporting, but more-detailed reporting would be welcome. For example, Camre was convicted of “racism”, but it is not explained wherein the racism lay, or even which race he was accused of being racist against.
    Geller says, “None of that [criminal history of the accuser] mattered when he charged Mogens Camre with ‘racism.'” Certainly it shouldn’t matter (as Geller would agree): in a just polity, guilt or innocence is decided by the truth or falsity of the accusation, not by the law-abidingness or criminality of the accuser.

    This article is a good advertisement for Denmark: (1) A Twitter message is limited to 140 characters, but if I counted right, the English translation of Camre’s tweet comes to 277 characters. So Danish must be twice as compact as English. (2) Camre is 79 years old, but he looks no older than healthy middle age.

    • Cecilia Ellis says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 5:25 am

      Mark, it appears that Camre was charged under the Criminal Code racism clause 266 b paragraph 1, which makes it a crime to offend, “a group of people (who) were threatened, insulted or degraded on account of race, color, national or ethnic origin, religion or sexual orientation.” [1] The law is based on a United Nations directive, which is entitled, “National Legal Measures to Combat Racism and Intolerance in the Member States of the Council of Europe.” [2]

      The following is an extract from that directive:
      “Offence: Expressing and spreading racial hatred.
      Source: Article 266b of the Criminal Code.
      Scope: Covers any threatening, vilifying or insulting statement intended for the general public or a wide circle of persons. In practice less serious cases are not punished.
      Sanction: Fine or up to two years’ imprisonment.
      Relevant jurisprudence: A politician was convicted for verbal attacks on Muslims (U.2004.1360V). Conviction of a candidate in the general election who had set up an anti-Islamic web-site. (U.2004.734H)”

      It seems that one can be charged for the violation of “racism,” despite the fact that there is no Muslim race, for offending a Muslim. Convicted for a violation of Article 266b, Mogens Camre was fined $1186 (USD) for his July 2014 tweet – perceived as comparing radical Islam to Nazism – by stating, “Muslims continue where Hitler stopped. Only the same treatment that Hitler got will change the situation.” [3] Camre intends to appeal this conviction.

      [1] http://www.infowars.com/danish-politician-convicted-of-racism-for-offending-muslims/
      [2] http://www.geneva-academy.ch/RULAC/pdf_state/46f286ac0.pdf
      [3] http://www.infowars.com/danish-politician-convicted-of-racism-for-offending-muslims/

      I tried to post this about two hours ago; hopefully it does not double post. My apologies if it does.

      • duh_swami says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 8:26 am

        Infowars is a POS…Alex Jones banned me because I resisted the idea that every terrorist event was staged by ‘crisis actors’…..The people who comment there are mostly deranged…

        • Sam Hawkins says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 11:00 am

          Agreed on all three counts.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm

          Duh_swami and Sam, thanks. I had no idea about that. See, already you two have taught me something today. I want check out that site anymore.

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 1:53 pm

          My 1:50 p.m post should read: I won’t check out that site anymore.

        • duh_swami says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm

          Cecilia…There’s nothing wrong with checking Infowars out…Just remember where you are when doing it.. use a strong BS detector when visiting there…

        • Cecilia Ellis says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 4:28 pm

          Duh_swami, I really do appreciate your advice, and I will certainly keep the BS factor in mind, should I ever visit that website again. Have a great day!

      • kay says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 2:02 pm

        Re: “The following is an extract from that directive:
        “Offence: Expressing and spreading racial hatred.
        Source: Article 266b of the Criminal Code.
        Scope: Covers any threatening, vilifying or insulting statement intended for the general public or a wide circle of persons. In practice less serious cases are not punished.
        Sanction: Fine or up to two years’ imprisonment.”

        This application is Sharia anti-blasphemy law in practice.
        Looks like Sharia is doing great this year in Denmark and Britain.
        It still makes no sense for the obvious reasons:
        – Mogens Camre was peacefully protesting anti-Semitism.
        – Islam is NOT a race but a global culture.
        – Adolf Hitler is known to be pro-Islamic. As in
        “The only religion I respect is Islam. The only prophet I admire is the Prophet Muhammad.”
        — Adolph Hitler, quoted by Ahmed Huber; Kevin Coogan, “The mysterious Achmed Huber: Friend to Hitler”

        I do not see how the Western Europeans can stand for a resurgence of fascist oppression by law or by Islamic culture. Mogens Camre may be unaware of the above Adolph Hitler quote.
        Alto I am not a lawyer, I would use the upcoming court challenge to put Islam on trial as a legal counterattack. I would enter the Andrew Bostom books into the record. And of course Mogens Camre may be unaware of the Andrew Bostom books.

        But if he were to enter these books into the record, there is no way any Islamic scholar or prosecutor could possibly refute 1500 pages of research and evidence. This strategy should work in general.
        The law as described here makes a criminal offense of INSULTING a “wide circle of persons”. But this makes no sense. “Insulting speech” is NOT a criminal offense; it can only be a CIVIL offense. What is the legal threshold for “insulting” a group of people.
        According to this kind of law, it would be a criminal offense to claim that Nazism is evil or that Communism is evil.
        Well, Islam and Nazism and Marxism-Leninism ARE evil because they are inherently bloodthirsty and psychopathic by nature. We know this to be true from history.
        If it is possible to insult a group of people by calling their culture demonstrably criminal, then one cannot criticize even the Islamic State for sanctioned enslavement, rape and attempted genocide.
        If it is not possible to critique demonstrated patterns of enslavement, rape and murder, then all public criticism is gone, and Islamic State has more legal rights ( as an offended party ) in Europe than those Europeans who criticize Islamic State.
        In such a legal environment, the only recourse to save any kind of public speech would be to secede, to legally break the ties between a country and the European Union.
        It appears the real task is now to break the European Union and return to autonomous nation states. I see no alternative.

        “The Lisbon Treaty now contains a clause providing for a member to leave the EU.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
        In 2009 the Lisbon Treaty gave legal effect to the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. The charter is a codified catalogue of fundamental rights against which the EU’s legal acts can be judged. It consolidates many rights which were previously recognised by the Court of Justice and derived from the “constitutional traditions common to the member states.”[110] The Court of Justice has long recognised fundamental rights and has, on occasion, invalidated EU legislation based on its failure to adhere to those fundamental rights.[111]

        The right to free speech, to criticize and insult others is not negotiable. Without that there is no basis for intellectual freedom, democratic debate or a free society.
        The cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo were continually insulting Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
        Right now it looks like the Enlightenment is over, criminalized by European Union fiat. Europe has just lost three hundred years of social progress and is in real danger this century of sliding into the abyss of tenth century feudalism because no defense cna be mounted against fascism in the public square of opinion.
        In that case, what was even the point of fighting World War II?
        Fascism is returning to Europe right before our eyes in the name of multiculturalism enforced thru a kind of “hate speech” law which is in fact just an “insult speech” law, the kind that destroys all free speech, the open society and therefore all civilization.
        If it is not possible to reverse this bad law and this absurd precedent, then certainly Europe is lost and will slip in a few decades into totalitarian rule. The European Union will become merely a tool of Islamic law, culture, and fascism.
        As of 2015, Islamic jihad is now being waged upon all of Europe thru the agency of the European Union. With friends like these, how does Europe need enemies?
        This EU anti-blasphemy law is already Islam. It is already Submission.
        Europe is already partially lost to Islam by law.

        • Western Canadian says

          Aug 23, 2015 at 8:36 pm

          Europe has been edging towards fascism for decades, and starting taking huge strides towards it with the formation of the EU….. The population has been coddled (to a degree) and beaten down (to a larger degree) for so long, that the jump it islamic fascism is no longer a big one…. They still might, just might, if they can start to ignore and better yet overthrow their self appointed masters is Brussels, reclaim their backbones and self respect. Then they could reclaim their countries.

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:36 pm

      ““None of that [criminal history of the accuser] mattered when he charged Mogens Camre with ‘racism.’” Certainly it shouldn’t matter (as Geller would agree): in a just polity, guilt or innocence is decided by the truth or falsity of the accusation, not by the law-abidingness or criminality of the accuser.”

      Islam itself should be a crime of sedition (in fact, it already is, but the West fails to recognize this fact).

  12. Ka Fir says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 1:26 am

    A “parasite without a host” is what the world will be called IF Islam takes over. 80% of Muslims in the west are on welfare / jizya. The wealth of UAE, Saudia Arabia, any Islamic country for that matter, came from dealing with the kuffar. Why do jihadis plunder, steal, kidnap and ransom? Simple, because they don’t know any other way to make money. When everyone is a Muslim, or slave of a Muslim there will be no more kuffar booty to plunder, no kuffar lands to steal, no more kuffar to kidnap and ransom – a “parasite without a host.”

    In this respect China could be the savior of the world. The western world accommodates Islam to the point of cultural suicide because of its judeo chrisitan values. Ironically, the very values Islam hates so much. China will never allow this to happen. The Chinese would have NO moral or ethical dilemma, NO problem at all in nuking Mecca, destroying mosques or mass killings of jihadis should Islam start focusing its attention on China. For now China is watching Islam widdle away at the west, why should it get too involved now?

    Bottom line is that Islam will NEVER be able to take over China.

    • Kepha says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 8:24 am

      Sorry, Ka Fir, but China is too wrapped up in its own hatred of the West to fight Islam per se. In Eastern Turkistan, it fights “separatism”, not Islam. Besides, there is also a large Muslim population, the Hui, who identify politically with China. China further does not wish to alienate the support of the Arab world, Pakistan, and others; it also sees Zionism as a species of Western colonialism. Nor would I be surprised if Iran’s nuclear weapons are being developed with Chinese help.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      I’ve heard this before, Ka Fir–but the fact is that China–and Russia, incidentally–have been no more effective over all in combating Jihad than has the West. And while they are not “politically correct”, they have both done a fair amount of enabling of Jihad.

      The sad fact is that there is no nation today that is consistently and fully rationally opposing Jihad. Israel probably comes closest, but is hampered by “politically correct” tendencies of her own.

  13. Charli Main says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 3:01 am

    Europe appears to be hell bent on its chosen path of suicide by Islam.
    Even now, there is a tidal wave of muslims swarming out of the Middle East and heading for Western Europe along the path used by the Ottoman Turks centuries ago.
    Only this time the ” Gates of Vienna” won´t be shut to the invaders. They will be flung wide open in welcome, to them.
    The current fashionable mantra of Europe. Governments appears to be ” send us your muslims. We can´t get enough muslims to enrich our societies”

  14. ~J~ says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 3:55 am

    What will happen to our country, our freedom of speech, and our rights when and IF Hilary Clinton becomes our next president? Any predictions? Would love to hear them.

  15. jewdog says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 6:31 am

    Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best. In this case I think the reason that Muslims can get away with threatening Jews in Europe, while non-Muslims are punished for defending Jews is that as a rule, most Europeans hate Jews. Enjoy your Muslims, Europe!

    • Caroline says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:34 pm

      I would dispute that. Some, not most. Jewish people have offered a positive contribution wherever they go, unlike the Muslims who take, demand and destroy. I like and admire the Jewish people and there are many like me who feel the same. Don’t let the loony tunes lefties influence your perception, they are, collectively, insane and they always back the wrong side.

  16. Steffen Larsen says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 6:54 am

    These days I can think of no man more hated in Denmark than Mogens Camre. Scorn. Disgust.

    • Westman says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      Where, when, what, why?

    • Caroline says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 12:28 pm

      Steffen, your comment genuinely intrigues me. Are those your personal feelings? Do you mind that free speech is under attack in your country, as it is in my country, Britain? Please read some history and read about what the Islamists think about us, the kuffar. Islam does not live in peaceful cooperation with other cultures or religions, it seeks to dominate and destroy. Why would you feel such animosity towards someone who cares about your country and is trying to warm people of what will come if it is not resisted? Islam has been at war with the rest of humanity for 1400 years, now the war is at our doorstep. Whose side will you be on?

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 6:07 pm

      Steffen, I have dug around quite a bit re Mogens Camry, and I’m not sure I understand your post–this seems to be the main story that comes up. Do you mean that *you* hate Mogens Camry, or that Mogens Camry is hated for daring to compare Muslims’ hatred of Jews to that of Hitler?

  17. Caroline says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 6:59 am

    Since whan has Islam been a race?

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:40 pm

      Since sometimes in the 1970s, I would guess. It has been deemed a race by the PC MC West, because when they look at Muslims, more often than not they think they see a Brown Person (this spasm of White Guilt Anxiety is further exacerbated when Muslims wear their quaintly Orientalist garb — and even the ones who choose to wear Western garb are nevertheless, in the perspective of PC MC, associated with the ones who do in a vast sea of non-white non-Western “culture”).

      • Angemon says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 1:47 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “when they look at Muslims, more often than not they think they see a Brown Person”

        How’s that mind-reading business working out for you?

      • Mazo says

        Aug 24, 2015 at 3:48 pm

        Vogon has a hard on for using the word “brown people” probably because his own skin color is the color of fecal matter while Arabs have lighter skin than him. So he tries to project his own inferiority complex on Arabs. Vogon has the coconut mentality of a person who keeps rubbing skin whitening cream on himself every day.

        Go look at pictures of former King Abdullah (of Saudi Arabia), King Salman, Bashar al Assad, Mubarak, and tell us again that Arabs are “brown people”. If they are brown then vogon is a high IQ genius. In fact all the people I mentioned are whiter than Greeks. I have actually seen Arabs in person. Many of them are whiter than white.

        • gravenimage says

          Aug 27, 2015 at 11:32 pm

          Mazo himself is a racist, referring to brown-skinned people as having skin the “color of fecal matter”.

          None of this should surprise, though–Mazo is a thoroughgoing Muslim supremacist.

  18. DiMu says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:24 am

    We have to look behind the scene and ask ourselves why every Western government (except those in Eastern Europe) are caving in to Islam. What is in it for them? The destruction of nationalism paves the way for the World Bank, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements and all the other massive cartels of the Global Financial Empire to take over! WE ARE ALL GREECE! Get us into debt, swamp us with aliens, destroy the remnants of Judeo-Christian-Enlightenment culture – all in the name of Politcal Correctness, and we are wage slaves to the Financial Giants who live off usury! They very correctly saw Mogens Camre as their enemy. Uneducated Radical Muslim thugs are not!

    • voegelinian says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 1:42 pm

      Yes,DiMU, the answer must be that the West is somehow evil. That’s the ticket! Way to throw the baby out with the bathwater! Jolly good show, and all that rot…

      (If only DiMU’s view reflected a tiny minority in the Counter-Jihad…)

      • Western Canadian says

        Aug 23, 2015 at 10:06 pm

        Again, you manage to inject your own frankly weird comments into a criticism of a post, where the comments never appeared. You really must try hard to be an ignorant, pompous and presumptuous ass, as you are so incredibly good at it!!

        • voegelinian says

          Aug 24, 2015 at 10:26 pm

          It’s called a reasonable inference based on the data (the rhetoric posted).

        • Angemon says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 9:24 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “It’s called a reasonable inference based on the data (the rhetoric posted).”

          Dual standards – apparently, you get to say whatever you want about other users (usually lies and falsehoods) and when called out you say (and I’m paraphrasing here) “no no, there’s nothing wrong in saying that, it’s a reasonable inference”, even though you never explain the logic behind it, but when someone infers something about you, even if they explain it thoroughly and link to your posts to back their case, you claim they’re “attacking” you.

        • Western Canadian says

          Aug 25, 2015 at 6:43 pm

          I knew your response (if any) would be less than pathetic, but you surprise me with your utter lack of integrity and standards… even for you, that reply is so contemptible that I would not have thought you to be so dishonest and spineless. But you are.

      • Jay Boo says

        Aug 29, 2015 at 3:04 am

        Yes voegelinian good point. The Counter-Jihad asymptotic ‘softies’ are absolutely right if only others would see your point and be just as soft on jihad.
        excellent analysis.

  19. Matthieu Baudin says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:26 am

    “…in Denmark, as elsewhere in Europe, the laws regarding “hateful” or “racist” speech are applied selectively. In Denmark, Muslims can say whatever they want against Jews, Danes and Americans without facing any charges or any kind of penalty…”

    The laws are applied selectively because the population, police officers included, have been indoctrinated over a considerable period of time to doubt themselves and to take responsibility for all problems of significance. The Danes are a western nation and therefore part of the ‘Dominant Culture’ which (it is asserted) is forever repressing ‘Other’ cultural entities. Bad luck for the Jews, they’re now tarnished with the same brush as the Danes and other westerners, through Israel’s alliance with the U.S. and its good relations with western countries.

    Similarly, in the U.K. the same pattern of ‘over compensatory restraint’ on the part of police officers translated into the tolerance of high levels of child sexual abuse by Muslims that would not have passed under the radar if the perpetrators had originated from the mainstream population.

    Europeans have had a long history of self criticism but the problem today is that this attitude of self reflection and the willingness to look beyond national pride and identity has become an ingrained attitude which is out of step with reality. The truth is that Europeans, by and large, are better behaved, less violent and more caring of others than their critics from within the immigrant populations that have settled in recent times; this is the reality check for today’s ‘Dominant Culture’ nonsense.

  20. Don Foss says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:36 am

    It’s Europe. We should expect nothing less from a culture cheering themselves on with the rope around their own necks. Mark Steyn’s “America Alone” indeed. (Read it.)

  21. duh_swami says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 9:39 am

    As long as the law says, ‘Thou shall not’…there is no such thing as free speech in Denmark or any country where ‘thou shall not’, is a law…That’s not freedom, it’s a dictatorship…

  22. Linda Rivera says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 10:49 am

    ‘A Palestinian speaks openly about wanting to kill all Israelis and erase Israel from the map, and the police just stand next to him, hearing everything he says, and do nothing.

    This is one of many absolute evidence that Muslim desire and wicked goal to kill all Israelis and VIOLENCE and MURDER of other non-Muslims has the full APPROVAL of the EU, EUROPEAN politicians and police.

    How can we stay silent when the EU, European politicians and police betray us and have taken the side of ALL Muslims and Muslim terrorists?

  23. Dr. Divinity says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Once again this shows how Europe is rapidly becoming Islamic

  24. Undaunted says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    Creepy little fucker…

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 23, 2015 at 6:16 pm

      Do you mean Samir Badran, Undaunted? If so, I definitely agree.

  25. richard courtemanche says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    Outrageously obscene. Why don’t we cut our own throat?

  26. Guy Macher says

    Aug 23, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    We Westerners had better learn to appreciate and love Western Culture so we will find the guts to protect it, or we will lose it. Once civilization is lost, it will take a thousand years to rebuild it. Yes, the conflict will be bloody–too late to talk, and no use to speak with Muslims anyway. They respect only force. We dare not lose this war, nor end it without complete victory! Gird thy loins!

  27. R Smith says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 1:28 am

    Don’t be just a bunch of chumps, vote the leftist out. The majority can do it, they know what is right, don’t listen to the lefts’ self serving line of total poop, get rid of them.

  28. John Magne Trane says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    The party in question has been spelled wrong. Dansk Folkeparti is the correct way (Partei is a German word…)

    https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk_Folkeparti

  29. alyn21 says

    Aug 24, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    During WW2 when the Nazis occupied Denmark they demanded that all Jews wear a Star of David patch on their clothes.
    When the monarchy in Denmark heard about this a statement was issued to the Danish public which stated that His Majesty King Christian would wear a Star of David and he expected all loyal Danes to do the same. And amazingly enough most of them did.
    I have always admired Denmark because of this. I wonder what King Christian would think of the behaviour of his people today.

    • gravenimage says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 11:50 pm

      Alyn, that story is likely a myth–although the king and most of the Danish people were very sympathetic to the plight of the Jews.

      The true story is even more remarkable: the Danish people spirited almost their entire population of Jews to safety in neighboring Sweden *in a single night* after they were threatened with deportation to the camps. It was a remarkable feat–hundreds of water-going vessels large and small were pressed into service, at *huge* risk to the sailors from both the difficult conditions and the threat of Nazi retaliation.

      It was coordinated between the Danish resistance movement, Danish seamen and sailors, the Swedish Government, and the Swedish Jewish community.

      Few stories in history are more inspiring.

      “Rescue of the Danish Jews”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews

      Now this sick case in Denmark sullies that decent and heroic legacy.

  30. gravenimage says

    Aug 27, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    Breitbart reported Wednesday that Camre, a “former member of the Danish parliament and European Parliament for the Danish People’s Party (Dansk Folkpartei, DF) was convicted of racism offences handed a £750 fine on Tuesday. The conviction came after he made a tweet in 2014 lamenting the rise of anti-Semitism in Europe caused by the immigration of religiously intolerant Muslims.”
    ………………………….

    So–I guess it’s “racist” to criticize Muslims for threatening Jews, but not racist to threaten Jews…

    • quotha raven says

      Aug 27, 2015 at 11:46 pm

      To Gravenimage – Appalling and very creepy, non?

      • gravenimage says

        Aug 28, 2015 at 12:00 am

        Entirely, Quotha.

        • quotha raven says

          Aug 28, 2015 at 4:34 am

          to graveninage – While I am aware this is not a private communication, I want to post this comment to you in particular:I just remembered:. When I was exactly the same age as my granddaughter is today, something happened that must in a small way inform my thinking and attitude today about Jews.

          I was a maniac reader as a twelve year old, and I’d read The Diary of Anne Frank. I wrote a letter (somehow I figured out the address, etc, myself) to her father, who was somehow still alive, or at least I thought so,.I think I sent it via the publisher of the English version of her book.

          I wrote to tell him how moved I was at Anne Frank’s book, that I related to her. Ultimately, I received a response – on paper, by mail – from a lawyer in Switzerland, who informed me that Otto Frank, Anne’s father, had died a few months before. He thanked me for my letter. He was so kind to me, a little adolescent girl in midwest America. He wrote that he appreciated my letter and thanked me for it. This moment must be lurking deep in my memory and informing my thinking to this day

          The whole Malala story and current matters I see as related brings this to mind. I hadn’t thought of it for ages, until tonight. I think there is no way I can separate that moment from my attitude towards Jews and Israel.

          Wow – what a flashback! Until tonight I hadn’t thought of this for more years than I would ever divulge!))) My granddaughter, btw, raised $800 at her bake sale for Malala’s foundation. I’m so proud of her. Cheers! Quotha R

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