“‘I understand Islam better than you,’ he told Soussi, citing as his source the father of Wahhabism, an austere form of Islam that interprets the Koran literally.” Soussi told him: “It’s not reading two articles and watching some videos on the Internet that makes you such a Muslim. You’re 15 years old. People spend 30 years studying religion before they will sit down and be able to say, this is good, this is bad.” So Muslims can’t make value judgments until they have studied Islam for thirty years?
This article assumes that the teen’s understanding of Islam was wrongly literalistic, faulty, ill-informed and eccentric. But the ideas that a non-Muslim country is part of the House of War and that the goods of non-Muslims belong to Muslims as the spoils of war are deeply embedded within Islamic tradition. Soussi might have argued that Canada should not be warred against because it isn’t hindering Muslims’ ability to practice Islam, but he couldn’t very well argue that the claims the teen made about Islam were inaccurate and un-Islamic. This National Post piece is misleading on that score, but that may be simply because its author thought it inconceivable that the teen could be right or even partially right.

“‘I understand Islam better than you’: Teen facing terror charges saw Canada as ‘land of war,’” by Graeme Hamilton, National Post, September 9, 2015:
MONTREAL — RCMP investigator Brahim Soussi did his best to persuade the 15-year-old suspect sitting across from him that they were not all that different. They were both Muslim immigrants from North Africa, eldest sons and Arabic speakers, he noted.
The boy, who had just been arrested for a convenience store armed robbery and was suspected of planning to leave Canada to join the jihad in Syria, was having none of it.
“You are a traitor,” the teen, who cannot be identified because he is a minor, told Soussi. He said that by working for the Canadian state, the police officer was complicit in “crimes against Muslims. … You betray your brothers. You are no longer their brother. You are an apostate.”
Over the course of the two-hour interview, a video of which was introduced as evidence at the teen’s trial in a Montreal court on Wednesday, he remained silent on most questions touching the robbery. But he could not resist spouting off when Soussi questioned his religious knowledge.
“I understand Islam better than you,” he told Soussi, citing as his source the father of Wahhabism, an austere form of Islam that interprets the Koran literally.
The boy, who turned 16 this year, elaborated on his beliefs, which he said he had gleaned from the Internet. The police officer was not a true Muslim because he worked to enforce laws other than Allah’s, he said.
He accused Canada of “massacring his brothers and sisters” by taking part in the armed mission against ISIL in Iraq. The government sent its troops, and in a democracy the government is elected by the people, he said. “So the people are at fault. Oh, yes.” Democratic governments must be removed, “by force if necessary,” he said.
The convenience store that had been robbed at knifepoint was a legitimate target because Canada was “a land of war” fighting against Islam, he said. The goods of unbelievers, he added, can be seized as the “spoils of war.” He said he felt no remorse for his actions.
The teen pleaded guilty to the holdup last year. He is on trial in Quebec Court’s youth division on one charge of committing a crime “for the benefit of, at the direction of or in association with a terrorist group” and a second charge of attempting to leave Canada for the purpose of aiding a terrorist group.
The trial heard that it was his father who alerted police after he discovered his son’s backpack hidden in their yard, containing a knife, a bag of cash and a scarf. RCMP agent Salvador Calderon testified that he met with the father soon afterwards. “He was very nervous because he had confronted his son, and his son wanted to leave the country to fight with a terrorist group,” Calderon said. He said he assured the father the RCMP would do everything possible to stop his son from getting on a plane.
Days later, the boy was arrested at the prestigious Montreal private school he attended.
During his interrogation, he said his parents had told him to disobey God and that his father was an apostate. He said his religious beliefs led him to give up karate and drop a Mandarin class at school because the teachers required that he bow. “You must not bow down before anyone other than Allah,” he said.
Soussi repeatedly tried to persuade the boy that things were not so black and white. For example, bowing in karate is an act of respect, not submission, he told him.
“It’s not reading two articles and watching some videos on the Internet that makes you such a Muslim,” he said. “You’re 15 years old. People spend 30 years studying religion before they will sit down and be able to say, this is good, this is bad.”…
Angemon says
The kid’s right about that.
“Austere” meaning “uncompromising”. And is there any “form” of islam that doesn’t take the quran literally? Is there any school of islam teaching that the quran is something else than the timeless, perfect word of allah, valid for all times?
Kid’s right about that too.
Again, kid knows his islamic doctrine.
Yeah – islamic orthodoxy through and through. Canada is participating in the bombing of ISIS therefore it’s at war with islam and, as such, muslims are allowed to do war and capture booty and slaves.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: calling ISIS a terrorist group is to undervalue the danger they represent on an ideological point of view. Those who support ISIS should not be considered as “supporting a terrorist group” but as effectively committing an act of treason – ISIS portrays itself as the nation for all muslims, and Western authorities should start thinking of it as such. After all, terror is a mean to an end, not an end by itself.
B-B-But, but, but, poverty causes terrorism!
All the same – why would he respect non-muslims living and paying taxes in a country he considered to be at war with islam? Why would he respect people he hates and despises as being “the worst of creatures”, per quran 98:6?
Yeah, gonna have to stop you right there. I don’t need to study islam (or any other religion for that matter) for 30 years to be able to say that killing people based on their religion is a bad thing. Same for wife-beating, sex with children, sex slavery, etc.
Zimriel says
To answer you there, the Wahhabis don’t just take the Qur’an literally (all Muslims do that) but they take the Sunni Hadith literally. Malikis and Hanafis will correlate the hadith with the sunna of their elders. Wahhabis don’t trust sunna; they take their hadith neat, as it were, straight from the hadith-books of Bukhari and Muslim.
Say No 2 Mo says
People spend 30 years studying religion before they will sit down and be able to say, this is good, this is bad.”…
How ridiculous can you get? No wonder so many people misunderstand Islam, because they have not spent 30 years figuring out a way to present it as nothing to do with Islam.
Angemon says
And to add to that, there’s no cherry-picking in islam. Muslims aren’t supposed to “study” the quran and decide which parts they like and which parts they don’t like. It’s a full package deal, and even if a muslim doesn’t like certain parts, they’re supposed to do them just the same:
quran 2:216:
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.
quran 5:101:
O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you.
Incek Mahallesi says
A:
“Those who support ISIS should not be considered to be “supporting a terrorist group” but to be effectively committing an act of treason – ISIS portrays itself as the nation for all Muslims, and Western authorities should start thinking of it as such. After all, terror is a means to an end, not an end, in itself.”
Sorry, A…I corrected your prepositions, etc., but you are spot-on. This is why Voeg’s dream of Mass and Total Deportation is so silly.
We use the laws in place, charge treason, prosecute, lock up and/or hang the bast#rds and be done with it.
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Yes, deport the clowns whom we can, according to the law, but otherwise – prosecute and punish…mercilessly.
Angemon says
Incek Mahallesi posted:
“Sorry, A…I corrected your prepositions, etc.”
Much appreciated, although I can’t promise I’ll remember them the next time 😉
“This is why Voeg’s dream of Mass and Total Deportation is so silly.
We use the laws in place, charge treason, prosecute, lock up and/or hang the bast#rds and be done with it.”
“Laws in place” – indeed, a key point. Voeg wants to go over the law – anyone calling themselves “muslim” is, by their self-identification as muslim, automatically guilty. According to him:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/christians-are-prisoners-of-conscience-in-uzbekistan#comment-1244215
That lack of, *ahem*, “extremity”, would warrant them a one-way ticket to Sudan:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/polish-convert-to-islam-we-will-hold-mass-executions-in-st-peters-square/comment-page-1#comment-1277834
(also, I have no idea how voeg would get a hangar to fly)
And, of course, after kicking out all American muslims over Sudan, with their parachutes, ham sandwiches and Playboy magazines, there would be Step 2, a.k.a., the OSS (Orwellian Surveillance State) – by his own admission (as you probably remember), time and effort would be “entirely” dedicated to “the forensic/investigative determination of Who Is a Muslim“. Hope no JW regular has been consulting islamic sites to show someone else the truth straight from the horse’s mouth – you’re guilty ’till proven innocent and, if proven innocent, then an explanation to why you’re guilty and only seem innocent can be “reverse engineered”.
dajjal says
Get a God blessed clue by reading “The Quranic Concept Of War”, pp 58..60. Terror is both a means and an end, the decision they wish to impose.
Islam entails terrorf: 3.151, 8.12, 8.57, 8.60, 59.2, 59.13, 9.120. If there is a right to tgerrorize, then there is a right to manifest, practice and propagate Islam, otherwise there ain’t.
Zimriel says
It was a mistake for Soussi to argue religion with this guy. It’s like the average Catholic arguing with a teenage Jew in beth-midrash about the Torah. They are not arguing from the same tradition, and more to the point the Jew has likely been studying the base text for longer and in its own language. (Many Catholics do know Hebrew. But most don’t.)
Back to the Muslim twerp in question: he argument to make against punks like this is simply that you are here in Canada, and subject to Her Majesty’s law. And if you do not abide by them then here are the steps to the gallows.
Voytek Gagalka says
There are no gallows in Canada anymore, unfortunately.
Sodacrackers2 says
How about here is a one way ticket to the Islamic state of your choice. Don’t come back!
Cecilia Ellis says
“You are a traitor . . . You betray your brothers. You are no longer their brother. You are an apostate . . . [H]e said his parents had told him to disobey God and that his father was an apostate.”
Oops . . . RCMP investigator Brahim Soussi and the teen’s father might want to check their Last Will and Testaments:
Sahih Bukhari, Book 52: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260:
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn ‘Abbas, who said, “Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, ‘Don’t punish (anybody) with Allah’s Punishment.’ No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, ‘If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.’ ”
‘“I understand Islam better than you,’ he told Soussi.”
Cecilia Ellis says
Last two lines should read:
‘“I understand Islam better than you,’ he told Soussi.”
Yes, he does.
dajjal says
Either Soussi bends Islam to fit the contours of his conscience or he conceals Islam waiting for the right time to exhibit sudden Jihad syndrome.
Lia Wissing says
Will Mr Soussi now see the light & peace of islam, having been led aright by this young punkin?
dajjal says
No, ‘cuz there is none. But there is a slim chance that he might become ‘radicalized’ if he ain’t already. Perhaps he will begin watching Imam Awlaki’s kutbah and become a believer.
jimmy says
the cheap talk is for the unbelievers. They know real islam at some degree.
dajjal says
There is no excuse for allowing ‘slime to infiltrate our nations, much less our public safety services.
Western Canadian says
“Soussi told him: “It’s not reading two articles and watching some videos on the Internet that makes you such a Muslim. You’re 15 years old. People spend 30 years studying religion before they will sit down and be able to say, this is good, this is bad.””
This statement begs the question, is this fool really that ignorant, or is he merely lying. Which begs the second question, WHY WAS THIS IDIOT HIRED???
jimmy says
yeap! All those who are younger than 30 or 40 years old aren’t really Muslims.
Wait a second… wasn’t it said that everybody is born a Muslim??
sidney penny says
Robert thanks for the highlights.
“Days later, the boy was arrested at the prestigious Montreal private school he attended.”
Remember the 3 BUTS
But …but…but,…poverty causes terrorism.
jimmy says
it is the other way around terrorism and crime causes poverty.
Scott says
Bingo!
satch1 says
Satan’s job is easy when he can deal with weakminded egotists who ‘know it all’ in their own mind but have little knowledge of the real life and eternal matters that include them!. Satan lied to Muhammad and we see what vile type person He was, a murdered, thief, child molester, and Liar, liar, liar. All Muslims are well known liars and this was why God created hell in the first place, the Lies of Satan, then All who follow after him!
Diana says
Well of course the “muslim” RMCP officer failed to “deradicalise” the jihadi teen criminal. Here’s an excellent explanation as to why that is so from Clive Kessler is emeritus professor of sociology and anthropology at the University of NSW. He has been studying Islam, the shaping of Islamic civilisation within world history, and the sources of militant Islam for more than 50 years. Well worth a read! I’m sure Robert’s onto this one but just in case …..
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/deradicalisation-of-militant-muslims-not-a-viable-option/story-e6frg6z6-1227375127489?sv=88798b4161c4e06ae14143fb85feadd7
Maybe worth getting the Glazov gang to interview him?
Enfant Terrible says
“Well worth a read!” – Agree, thanks
Laura says
Did no-one think of giving the little shit a good hiding?
No Fear says
The boy can have any religious view he wants. If he wishes to believe that a thief and murderer such as Mohammed is a good role model then he is welcome to that. Same as the Nazi view of Hitler.
He is simply another henchman of Mohammed the gangster prophet.
dajjal says
Vehement dissent to the opinion of No Fear :
Islam entails conquest, genocide, terror, plunder, rape & enslavement. Get a clue from Surahs Al-Anfal & At-Taubah.
Belief entails action. Obtain a clue from QV 8.1-5, 9.38-39, 9.111, 49.15 & 49.15.
Is there a right to conquer, rape, pillage & plunder? If not, there is no right to believe in, manifest, propagate or manifest Islam.
kay says
How bad could it get? You remember Canada.
RCMP investigator Brahim Soussi is a complete IDIOT, obviously. He is an officer of the law of the land, and he blew the dialogue by allowing an IRRELEVANT and CONTRARY external legal system into the discussion. The whole point is to shut that down and explicitly exclude that perspective.
This is a textbook example of a poorly conducted criminal interview, and it sets the wrong social precedent.
The laws of Canada apply to all Canadian citizens in that country. Not so other, foreign laws – and certainly not the fascist Islamic Sharia “law”.
The kid rashly claims he operates under a different legal authority, and that RCMP Soussi is a traitor. From an external Islamist standpoint, that is no doubt true. But that is not the investigation.
This is a CRIMINAL investigation for ARMED robbery. People get killed in those.
The store clerk is NOT responsible for the conduct of Canadian foreign policy and is NOT a legitimate military target. The RCMP MUST defend civilians and society overall from armed robbery and all other basic threats. Including real threats to the Canadian Parliament.
This is a question of jurisdiction, rights, and responsibilities. The Mounted Policeman didn’t get that. If someone wants to claim they do NOT follow Canadian law, then they must give up Canadian citizenship FIRST. Follow the law or leave.
The article documents a criminal investigation marked by dangerous anti-social arrogance and pathetic incompetence. Both individuals went Full Retard. May the Royal Canadian Mounted Police learn a most serious lesson here.
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Sharia Versus Freedom: The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism Hardcover – September 18, 2012
by Andrew G. Bostom (Author)
ISBN-10: 1616146664
mortimer says
Very observant analysis. However, the main issue is that of multiculturalism, ‘diversity’ or ‘reasonable accomodation’.
The RCMP is evidently trying to use a ‘community-relations’ approach to the treason of the Muslims.
kay says
Re M: “Very observant analysis…The RCMP is evidently trying to use a ‘community-relations’ approach to the treason of the Muslims.”
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Truth. And I will HIT them Very Hard for this. I’m going to hammer on the RCMP Brahim Soussi in front of large online groups for Canadians on the West Coast and in Toronto.
Am not a lawyer but this exchange is RIDICULOUS. Some punk Muslim teen is sassing the RCMP guy during criminal investigation and the idiot RCMP Brahim Soussi engages the punk in degenerate pseudo-philosophy. They think they are negotiating between two nations. Yo mommas raised some FOO’s.
This idiot RCMP never got to square one. He never got the basics of law or of Aristotle.
Nichomachean Ethics Book V: “The Just” then will be the lawful and the equal, and “the Unjust” will be the unlawful and the unequal.
You can’t “argue theology” with jihadi-wannabees to seek a win-win. All the Islamists know is win-lose. Even when they are 16 year old punks! Your only hope is the just rule of law, starting with Aristotle. “I was taught to love the law…”
And if someone does armed robbery in service of a foreign terrorist group then he is subject to charges of terrorism as well. Put the kid away for twelve years under adult anti-terrorist law.
I so hope there are some Canadians listening in, and that others re-use this my critique. Multiculturalism fails, and society must be defended. Just not by any Simple Jack types like the loser and laughingstock Brahim Soussi.
Moral: “Never go full retard.” And also: hammer those who do when sworn to defend society. I’m gonna do more to defend Canada than this RCMP Brahim “Simple Jack” Soussi.
See: Tropic Thunder (2008) “You never go full Retard!”
gravenimage says
I believe there’s a good chance that Soussi’s purpose here isn’t so much “community relations” as it is the whitewash of Islam.
kay says
Re gravenimage: “I believe there’s a good chance that Soussi’s purpose here isn’t so much “community relations” as it is the whitewash of Islam.”
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Ouch and black damn! You’re ahead of me, gravenimage. I keep thinking that an RCMP will want to defend his country against fascism and armed robbery.
But the real problem here could in fact be dishonesty and smokescreen by a Muzzie RCMP doing his duty for the Muzzies, and against the people of Canada. And not mere cluelessness and stupidity.
Ohhhhh, that really hurts. Well, 40% of the Muzzies worldwide are dangerous sociopaths or worse. So yeah, more than one in two will just be pathological liars.
Imagine that, a global religion and culture based on lies and violence and the destruction of human rights everywhere! Shouldn’t work. But it does!
And the Muzzies are all blind idiots too: obviously Islam has no positive relation to either Christianity nor to Judaism, but rather a completely negative relation to both.
Sounds like taqiyya is a real and pervasive problem to me.
To actually protect society would mean keeping Muzzies out of all government roles. Where they can do the most damage. A system of checks and balances is needed to protect the public from government functionary Muzzies.
Kepha says
Had this been back in the Silly ‘Sixties and Sillier ‘Seventies and it had been a teenaged Leftist bomber wannabe arguing with some liberal cop (yes, they exist on both sides of Line Forty-nine), the MSM would be telling us about something like the “clear-headedness” and “special wisdom” of youth.
Sure, the MSM’s sympathies are clearly with Soussi, and perhaps he has a point. I can hear either him or some other Muslims looking at ISIS and thinking, “Who made your leader Caliph?” I’ll concede that, even if it does not decrease my mistrust, dislike, and non-acceptance of Islam in general.
Perhaps the lofty, I-know-better tone our MSM and various Western government spokesmen take in dealing with Islamic radicalism reflects a deep-seated insecurity about being out of their depth. Perhaps it’s a belated discovery that cultural boundaries are highly significant, and that they see a fundamental challenge to their enlightenment presuppositions at the door, and can scarcely deal with it.
duh_swami says
‘A the twig is bent…’This juvenile delinquent will grow into an adult delinquent…
Everyone knows that 15 year old’s are the smartest people on the planet..
BC says
Teenagers always think they know everything which is why they feel in conflict with their parents and the world at large. Unfortunately they are wrong, knowing nothing is not knowing everything. Fortunately most of us grow out of it.
Western Canadian says
Whenever I hear someone come out with a crack like ‘teenagers think they know everything’ or even more pathetic, ‘they think they are immortal’, I know that I am wasting my time if I listen to anything more, as they have just confirmed that they have never LISTENED to a single teenager in their entire lives.
gravenimage says
Not all teenagers are wrong–it depends on the teenager, and on the issue in question.
Certainly, this vicious little creep is spot on about Islam, and its considering Canada to be the “house of war” (Dar-al-Harb).
BC says
Sadly this true of all religions, the fundamentalist Christians think every word of the bible is fact. The ultra orthodox Jews think the same of the Torah. The Fundamentalist Muslims are no different. The reality of life is something that they cannot deal with.
Western Canadian says
You are a very, very ignorant individual. Maybe you should try to become familiar with a subject, before you fun off at the mouth about it?? No?
mortimer says
“I understand Islam better than you”, said the teenager whose name may not be revealed.
That is the remarkable thing about Islam. Even a barely illiterate person can understand it by reaching into the most visceral, angry, out-of-control part of his personality and stirring it up. This is psychodrama and it is normative Islam, rather than an aberration.
Cartimandua says
I don’t care who was interviewing him as a Muslim shudder RCMP. Canadians don’t care if he is a kid or not. His intentions toward US, his Canadian people must take precedence. If he is Canadian, jail him. If not, deport him and his family. I am sick of the he was a good boy crap. Out. Canadians are proud of our society. We are sick to death of this muslim stuff. Enough. Canadians see what is going on in Europe and this will not happen here. Except it already has. The Tunisi#n anting to blow up our VIA rail between Canada and the US. They say he is crazy. No he is just a died in the wool jihadist who wanted to kill us. Except for a very stupid judge.Now we will have another stupid case. Are Canadian judges so appointed, all just VERY STUPID? I wonder. I write this on the Eve of 9/11. , my heart cries out for justice for the 3000 innocents who died that horrific day. Yet, some ignorant judge, not elected, might try to bypass this case. Don’t think so. A young Muslim robbed a store at gunpoint, he didn’t care. A Muslim RCMP officer tried to talk him out of it. He didn’t care. We all know in Canadian law, WE THE PEOPLE cannot know his name. What is his punishment? Canadians deserve better than this firecracker about to go off. If the Muslim RCMP officer had his wits about him, he would have got the young IS wannabe and burned his passport and say GO TO IS. THIS MEANS YOU CAN NEVER COME BACK. You will never be welcome in Canada again.. Ever. That might have made a difference. Maybe. Canada DOES NOT want isl#mic creeps like that. EVER. Got it?
No Fear says
“You’re 15 years old. People spend 30 years studying religion before they will sit down and be able to say, this is good, this is bad.”
But, but, but….. muslims tell us that EVERYONE is BORN a muslim!
gravenimage says
The most alarming thing about this story is that Muslims have now infiltrated the Mounties, and are being put in charge of investigating JIhad cases…
gravenimage says
Here’s more on the fine un-named Mohammedan lad:
“Canadian court hears teen terror suspect blast ‘infidels'”
http://news.yahoo.com/canadian-teen-terror-suspect-said-country-needed-overthrown-191938754.html;_ylt=AwrTcdimCfZVXOAA1EcnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzNHZjZWRyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM5BHZ0aWQDRkZSQTAxXzEEc2VjA3Ny
From the linked article:
Responding to a question, he said Canada was a state of “poly-atheism and infidels” and that it was necessary “to do away with it … by force if required.”…
He told Soussi during the interrogation that it was alright to rob a non-believer and that the money he stole was equivalent to “war booty.”
Note also, from the story above that this teen was attending a “prestigious Montreal private school”–so, hardly either deprived or uneducated.