Can anyone say his conversion to Islam was a positive thing? “That’s what hurts me the most. What he became. What he was made to become, the indoctrination,” said his father. “We have to watch out for our children, and for all those young adults who are at a loose end these days. They make easy prey.” But the churches and other organizations in the West wouldn’t dream of establishing any programs to counter Islamic proselytizing among their young people. That would be “Islamophobic,” and might harm the “dialogue.” Even Drugeon’s father is grieving now, but where was he when his son converted to Islam? He probably was a good multiculturalist and encouraged David in his new faith.
“Killed in Syria, The French Football Fan Turned Bombmaker,” Agence France-Presse, September 12, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
Paris: From football matches to international jihad, the 25-year-old Frenchman David Drugeon converted as a teen to Islam and drifted toward ever more radical groups, up until his death in July in a coalition air strike in Syria.
Drugeon – by now a bombmaker for an Al-Qaeda offshoot — was believed killed once before, in an airstrike in November 2014. This time his death has been established beyond doubt by US officials.
Born in 1989 into a middle class family in the Brittany town of Vannes, he became passionate about football and would travel to the southern city of Marseille with his father to see his favorite team, OM, play.
When his parents divorced in 2002, Drugeon and his brother Cyril drew close to ultraconservative Salafist Muslims who would gather in their neighborhood.
The two brothers quickly converted to Islam and David – who was just 13 at the time – became known as “Daoud,” started learning Arabic and studied the Koran.
On his page on “Copains d’avant,” a Facebook-style French website, he is seen posing in a white shirt, unsmiling.
On the list of countries he “dreams of visiting,” he wrote: “Afghanistan, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Iraq, Israel, Morocco, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Syria.”
Explosives expert
“He was a sweet guy who didn’t cause any trouble. A football enthusiast,” a former classmate in Vannes who wished to remain anonymous told AFP.
A woman whose daughter was in his class added: “His father was a bus driver. The boy studied hard. We don’t understand what went through his head.”
After having worked and saved money, Drugeon eventually went to Egypt and studied in religious schools where he deepened his knowledge of the Koran and of Arabic.
He returned to France, but at the start of 2010 told his family he was going back to Egypt. In reality, like many before him, he went down the jihad route and traveled to tribal zones in Pakistan.
There he met a Belgian man of Tunisian origin, jihad veteran Moez Garsallaoui who was considered an important member of Al-Qaeda in Europe and then in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region.
He taught “Daoud” how to handle explosives and make bombs….
As the conflict in Syria progressed and the country became a “land of jihad,” Drugeon — like many middle-ranking Al-Qaeda operatives fed up of constantly living under the threat of US drones and their missiles — left the Pakistan-Afghanistan area and set up shop in Idlib.
Drugeon, who went by the nom de guerre Hamza al-Faransi, was described as a key figure in the Al-Qaeda offshoot Khorasan group, which operates in Syria and which American officials say is a dangerous militant outfit planning to attack the United States and other Western countries.
His father Patrice Drugeon said he had chosen to die as a “martyr.”
“That’s what hurts me the most. What he became. What he was made to become, the indoctrination,” he told AFP in a phone interview.
“We have to watch out for our children, and for all those young adults who are at a loose end these days. They make easy prey” for jihadist recruiters….
Nonblvr says
One more down and one billion more to go. Shouldn’t take too much longer.
RG says
These impressionable westernized kids are easy fodder for the Middle Eastern war-mongers, who promise them eternal unbridled illicit sexual pleasures in the islamic whore house of allah! Ain’t ‘martyrdom’ wonderful WHEN YOU CAN GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT FOR YOU?????
Mark says
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parenting
Parenting or child rearing is the process of promoting and supporting the physical, emotional, social, financial, and intellectual development of a child from infancy to adulthood. Parenting refers to the aspects of raising a child aside from the biological relationship.
I find this to be so true.
PRCS says
“converted as a teen to Islam and drifted toward ever more radical groups”
“drew close to ultraconservative Salafist Muslims”
So, which is it?
Are they “ultraconservative” (which refers to the steadfast refusal of pious, devout, literalist Muslims to change) Salafists or are they “radicals” (whatever that’s supposed to mean)?
jiohn spielman says
YES (Salafist = islam = radical = death = destruction of Western civilization)
voegelinian says
The Western mainstream has developed a complex (and sometimes incoherent) taxonomy of various shades & flavors of Muslim. The main function of this complex taxonomy is to protect us from the thought crime of suspecting any Muslim simply because he’s a Muslim. And the beauty of PC MC is that for the most part, it’s self-enforcing. Why, just look at even the Counter-Jihad, where there exist quite a few Counter-Jihad Softies, who themselves show signs of this internalization of an anxious fear of being “racist” (as opposed to actual racism which all good men and women should indeed eschew…).
Jay Boo says
Any criticism of Drugeon’s father voegy
As always — of course not
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“The Western mainstream has developed a complex (and sometimes incoherent) taxonomy of various shades & flavors of Muslim.”
Same for Christians, Jews, etc. – there are different levels of adherence to any ideology, and trying to assert it’s all black and white is an exercise in stupidity, like any attempt to defend what is a clearly flawed premise to begin with.
Since you like to go out of your way and distinguish yourself from Counter-Jihadis by saying “ALL muslims”, who do ALL muslims think it should have been the caliph after the death of muhammad? That’s right, ALL muslims couldn’t agree on it, and thus the sunni/shia split happened. Another question: who do ALL muslims blame for poisoning muhammad? Again, ALL muslims don’t agree on it. Yet another question: do ALL muslims think that ALL apostates are to be killed? Again, some schools of islam state that women are to be locked up in their homes until they recant.
The reason why what you sneeringly deride as a “taxonomy of various shades & flavors” (because that’s all you have, sneer, not facts or rational arguments) exists is because there’s not a one-size-fits-all description that can accurately describe ALL muslims. Different sets exists because there’s disagreement on some level, and, human nature being anywhere the same, among individual muslims there are different levels of knowledge of islamic tenets and different levels of zeal and adherence to those rules.
“ The main function of this complex taxonomy is to protect us from the thought crime of suspecting any Muslim simply because he’s a Muslim.”
See above.
“And the beauty of PC MC is that for the most part, it’s self-enforcing.”
Except that not everyone abides by PC MC rules.
“Why, just look at even the Counter-Jihad, where there exist quite a few Counter-Jihad Softies, who themselves show signs of this internalization of an anxious fear of being “racist””
And, as usual, you’re unable to back your assertion. Who are these alleged “softies” who are, allegedly, afraid of being “racist”?
“(as opposed to actual racism which all good men and women should indeed eschew…).”
Good men and women should also eschew bigotry and do away with one-size-fits-all sweeping statements like “ALL muslims are ISIS and if they say they aren’t then they’re lying to our faces because it’s beneficial for them to do so”. Do you agree with that?
voegelinian says
If any normal fair-minded Jihad Watch reader who happens to agree with whatever Angemon is saying would like to translate his responses into something suitable for reasoned discussion (i.e., winnowing out all the strawmen riddled with cherry picking and red herrings), I would greatly appreciate it.
And, if I don’t see such, I will assume other Jihad Watch readers disagree with Angemon.
Note: this will be posted every time Angemon obsessively responds to one of my comments (i.e., for the next thousand times he does so). (Extra credit for anyone who would like to comb Jihad Watch archives — beginning this week, and going back many, many moons — even back to the days of yore of comments under what likely was his former nickname, Kinana of Khaybar).
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“If any normal fair-minded Jihad Watch reader who happens to agree with whatever Angemon is saying would like to translate his responses into something suitable for reasoned discussion (i.e., winnowing out all the strawmen riddled with cherry picking and red herrings), I would greatly appreciate it.”
Classic response from the guy who told he had stopped responding to my posts long ago: cry strawmen, red-herrings and cherry picking, say it’s not apt for reasoned discussion, and presto!: dismiss any opposing views without addressing them. Magic!
“And, if I don’t see such, I will assume other Jihad Watch readers disagree with Angemon.”
I guess this is the replacement for your usual “why is it that other users never say anything?”, which was met with “they have – they asked you why you don’t speak for yourself”.
But hey, if you want to follow what muhammad said (“silence is consent”), that’s between you and allah.
“Note: this will be posted every time Angemon obsessively responds to one of my comments (i.e., for the next thousand times he does so).”
Right, criticizing you = “obsession”…
You’ll only hurt yourself, but go for it – let everyone know that you’re not up for reasoned debate and that dissident views have no place in your little bubble of self-aggrandizement.
Also, you claimed earlier that you had stopped responding to my posts long ago. Now you’re claiming that you’ll post your latest smear piece every time I reply to anything you say. You’ve lied about the first, let’s see how you fare on the second.
“(Extra credit for anyone who would like to comb Jihad Watch archives — beginning this week, and going back many, many moons — even back to the days of yore of comments under what likely was his former nickname, Kinana of Khaybar).”
Again with that accusation? I’ve already covered that. In fact, I issued you a challenge that you have yet to met:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/what-we-have-learned-since-911/comment-page-1#comment-1292967
While you ponder whether or not you should put your money where your mouth is, I’ll give you the tl;dr version of what I said:
The reason why what you sneeringly deride as a “taxonomy of various shades & flavors” (because that’s all you have, sneer, not facts or rational arguments) exists is because there’s not a one-size-fits-all description that can accurately describe ALL muslims. Good men and women should also eschew bigotry and do away with one-size-fits-all sweeping statements like “ALL muslims are ISIS and if they say they aren’t then they’re lying to our faces because it’s beneficial for them to do so”. Do you agree with that?
voegelinian says
Needless to say, Jay Boo and PJ are not “normal and fair-minded” Jihad Watch readers, so their tagalongs don’t count.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Needless to say, Jay Boo and PJ are not “normal and fair-minded” Jihad Watch readers so their tagalongs don’t count.”
Ah, things are getting interesting. Now you get to decide who’s normal and fair-minded, even though you’re neither of those things (why else would you hang out for a decade in a website whose author and contributors you clearly hate)?
Exactly, who is “normal and fair-minded” and therefore “counts”? Your mouthpiece, Godless? The people you’ve demanded, via email, to come to JW and defend you from any criticism, specifically telling them to lock-on on myself and PJ (and yet you accuse me of acing “obsessively”), going as far as to try to shame them in public?
Who counts, voeg? Who?
Gary Grammat says
English football fans came to today’s games with a bog banners “refugees welcome”.Clubs donating money for refugees.
Goodbye England.
It looks like the next major of London will be a moslem. He is a labour candidate.
Only wisdom has limits, stupidly is limitless.
Paul says
I’d agree with you that we have major problems in England, but
I don’t know if the opinions of football fans are anything to go by.
Anyone who spends their hard earned money being ripped off by
watching spoilt and lazy multi-millionaires begrudgingly exert themselves
at a minimum will probably be stupid enough to welcome “refugees” too.
Well, at least I hope that these people are a minority!
Paul says
I, along with many others I know, just take a passing interest in
football, but no more – AND we are all against “refugees” coming
here. Are we in the majority? Well, Scameron has committed to
us taking thousands of jihadis in (none in his constituency, obviously),
so there’ll be a full-blown religious war sooner than later and we’ll
find out quite quickly.
voegelinian says
Of course; the problem of PC MC in the West is far broader than merely those Dastardly Leftist Elites (as so many in the Counter-Jihad simplistically think).
TheDane says
One less to go! Despicable moslems, who hail death to others!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
This recalls of when in 2005 recent Islam convert Joel Hinrichs put on a bomb vest and was going into the stadium when it prematurely detonated and blew him into thousands of bloody little pieces. The game was already underway, and while it might be conspiracy theory, some think he was going into the stadium to self-detonate and take hundreds of Sooner fans along with him, only that they as Infidels would go to Hell and he as a devout Moslem would head on up to Jannat, the Moslem Porno Heaven.
Hinrichs was rooming with two Pakis, who had apparently talked him into converting.
KrazyKafir says
Empty shells are easily filled with explosives.
Jay Boo says
Empty is correct.
Being Muslim is to live a meaningless life full of emptiness.
Muslims spy on one another to ‘please Allah’.
Every friend and neighbor is ultimately always a stranger.
Muslims his age are full of arrogance to cover up their Islamic self-loathing.
While they hate us they also hate themselves.
Allah is an unappeasable tyrant.
He should have stayed at home and learned to (Master-Hate) because:
Paradise is always held out as a carrot as Allah sings
“don’t you ever come around here.
Don’t want to see your face, you better disappear.
So beat it, just beat it
Just beat it, beat it, beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it
Just beat it, beat it”
KrazyKafir says
Also, perhaps if his parents had instilled in him a strong belief in western values, a passion for it, a passion for work and achievement, rather than a passion for soccer, he wouldn’t have been an empty shell.
Paul says
Aren’t these people EVER suspicious of those who send
them on self-detonating missions and who are too selfless
to indulge in paradise and beautiful virgins themselves?
Well, obviously not! I remember a programme called The
Real Hustle where some guy always used to say that if
something sounds too good to be true then it probably is.
Muhammadanism, being the ‘perfect’ revelation for all people
and all times, apparently, cannot withstand the slightest bit
of scrutiny.
voegelinian says
“Aren’t these people EVER suspicious of those who send
them on self-detonating missions and who are too selfless
to indulge in paradise and beautiful virgins themselves?”
It’s a mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind. You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“It’s a mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind. You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.”
Huh? Are you saying that pundits who foresaw the rise of ISIS were part of a cult for 20 years?
Also, were you in a cult for 20 years? If not, why should we take anything you say regarding muslims?
Jay Boo says
@voegelinian
While it may be a “mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind” because of Islam’s screwed up value system, it is wrong to assume that “You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.”
Muslims are not that complicated, which becomes quite evident in any dispute with Muzzies.
Paul says
@voegelinian,
I understand the islamic mindset quite well. This is by no
means a definitive list of negative qualities (or I’d be writing
all day long), but I think it’s fair to say and many would
agree that Muhammadanism is a cult wrapped in truths,
half-truths, blatant lies, mixed with opportunism, hypocrisy,
inhumanity and self-pity.Muhammadans are pride of their
ability to deceive, but don’t realise that they are themselves
deceived. It’s the very antithesis of what’s in the Bible and it
certainly isn’t necessary to have been in a cult for years in
order to understand the Muhammadan one.
Paul says
*”Muhammadans are proud of…”
voegelinian says
“I understand the islamic mindset quite well.”
An inauspiciously glib way of beginning a commentary or analysis.
Paul’s comment doesn’t help when he strawmans me — for example, when he wrote:
“…it certainly isn’t necessary to have been in a cult for years in
order to understand the Muhammadan one.”
What Paul wrote was in direct response to my comment:
“It’s a mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind. You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.”
As can be plainly seen, I wasn’t talking about undersanding the Muhammadan cult, but about “getting inside the Muslim head” based upon “thinking the Muslim mind must think like our mind.”
As for the meat & potatoes of the Muslim mind Paul describes, it seems mostly sound — but it’s really description of what we see on the outside (the duplicity, the self-pity, etc.); it’s not getting inside the Muslim mind. The problem with our inability of getting inside the Muslim mind is that we can all too easily try to figure out easily (i.e., from a Western perspective) understandable motivations for those described behaviors — and from there, we begin usually, in one way or another, to soften up our stance toward Muslims. Hence my initial corrective to Paul’s rhetorical question, which implied that the mujahideen are not planning and performing their suicidal & mass-murderous psychopathy lucidly and willingly (a state of mind one hopes no decent Westerner “understands quite well”).
The Western mind has a bad habit of imparting to the Other a Western standard, whereby it is practically implied that to be human is to be Homo Occidentalis. While this may derive from good philosophy and may have beneficial outcomes with regard to all other non-Westerners of the world, it is disastrous when applied to the Muslim Other — as, for example, the Lewis Doctrine whence has flowed among other failures our catastrophic Iraq and Afghanistan adventures (with their sublimely inept COIN strategy) in “helping Muslims”.
The Lewis Doctrine
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-lewis-doctrine.html
Western Universalism (and the Humanity of Muslims)
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/08/western-universalism-and-humanity-of.html
Paul says
September 13, 2015 at 5:48 pm
@voegelinian,
I understand the islamic mindset quite well. This is by no
means a definitive list of negative qualities (or I’d be writing
all day long), but I think it’s fair to say and many would
agree that Muhammadanism is a cult wrapped in truths,
half-truths, blatant lies, mixed with opportunism, hypocrisy,
inhumanity and self-pity.Muhammadans are pride of their
ability to deceive, but don’t realise that they are themselves
deceived. It’s the very antithesis of what’s in the Bible and it
certainly isn’t necessary to have been in a cult for years in
order to understand the Muhammada
Angemon says
Voegelinian posted:
““It’s a mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind. You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.”
As can be plainly seen, I wasn’t talking about undersanding the Muhammadan cult, but about “getting inside the Muslim head” based upon “thinking the Muslim mind must think like our mind.””
Do you know of any cult comparable to islam? A cult whose members are engaging in deadly terrorist attacks on an almost daily basis, on a worldwide scale. For example, scientologists are not blowing themselves up in crowded markets while shouting “Xenu is greater”. Former scientologists are not sentenced for death and, as such, it’s not incumbent on scientologists to carry out that sentence.
Do you stand by what you said?
Incek Mahallesi says
Voegy:
“What Paul wrote was in direct response to my comment:
“It’s a mistake to think the Muslim mind must think like our mind. You’d have to have joined a cult for 20 years just to begin to get in the head of a Muslim.”
As can be plainly seen, I wasn’t talking about undersanding (sic) the Muhammadan cult, but about “getting inside the Muslim head” based upon “thinking the Muslim mind must think like our mind.”
___________________
Typical horsesh*t from Voegelinian. He’s trying a slight-of-hand here, to extricate himself from the implication that he clearly made, himself – in the first place – to which Paul reasonably responded. That is to say, that Voegelinian equates being a member of a cult for 20 years as being necessary to “begin to be able to get into the head of a Muslim.”
_______
The slight-of-hand resides in Voeg’s reluctance to call Muslims members of a cult, because – you see – that flies in the face of his usual ramblings here which include being able to state flatly that every single Muslim is equally dangerous all of the time – yet he also maintains that we can’t tell who is benign (the elusive moderate Muslim) and who is not. These are contradictory notions, of course.
All of this “cult business” also flies in the face of Dr. Voegy’s Grand But Stupid and Illegal Mass Deportation Scheme, because cults are “fringe elements” – not that mass of people that Voegy wants to round up; but he can’t identify them and most assuredly, cannot explain, legally and practically, how it would all be done and how they would all be rounded-up.
___________________________________________________________________
Dr. Voegy’s a phony. His logic sucks; he never offers anything but pretzel-shaped responses to relatively unknown posters on this site, and when criticized by those whom are hip to his phony schtick, almost NEVER responds cogently – or claims that he has, in the midst of victim-mongering pleas for help in the face of reasoned onslaughts by Angemon and Philip Jihadski…his nemeses.
Paul says
Thank you @Jay Boo @Angemon @Incek Mahallesi 🙂
@Voegelinian, I have no beef with you, but you really are being
quite the nitpicker, and it seems you have to be the ultimate
authority on the muslim mindset and nobody may ever come close
– which is not to claim that I am the ultimate expert either.
As well as consulting Jihad watch, I’ve looked at much of the work
by former muslims such as Walid Shoebat, Dr Ali Sina, Sabatina
James, Nassim ben Iman, IQ al Rassooli, Mosab Hassan Yousef etc.
The summary I gave of the islamic mindset above – while by no means
a definitive one, it would be too long to go through here – is based upon
what I have learned by looking at the work of these people.
Nevertheless, it was a good and sound one, which I stand by.
Will you analyse this to death and dismantle it too?
voegelinian says
I already said Paul’s description is mostly sound. I also notice Paul’s response to me didn’t show any sign of having digested my points. No wonder he appreciates the Peanut Gallery.
Angemon says
Don’t be so passive-aggressive, voegy. Why, people just might start thinking you hate anyone who doesn’t treat everything you say as the new Gospel 😉
People don’t prefer the “Peanut Gallery” (which is one of the terms by which you try to belittle dissenting voices since you won’t engage in a good-faithed open discussion) because they don’t “digest” what you say. From what I’ve seen, people tend to prefer the “Peanut Gallery” because what you say at best has no substance to be digested and at worst is per-digested fecal matter.
parousia says
Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord
And let perpetual light shine upon him
But too late for Mr. Patrice to watch out for his son now. In the first place he and his wife put their son at the loose end when they decided to divorce. After all only their feelings matter and not the life of the kids. And there are and will be many more on this loose end as long as #AdultFeelingsMmatter.
What he became was your responsibility but you choose to leave that to others who were willing to take it on. How could a 13-year old be ‘responsible’ yet?
Secondly, as Mr. Spencer has observed, he was probably a good multicultist. Well, he’s seen firsthand how that usually plays out.
Karen says
Agreed. With kindness, I’d observe/guess the family is middle class (i.e. not poverty stricken), but broken, so the father likely is not around all the time, but makes an effort for ‘quality time’ at the football games. (Sorry, but fathers really are more important than that.) I’m guessing there was no regular church or synagogue attendance, or family discussions around the dinner table concerning life’s big issues. So the boy is raised in a ideological vacuum, and Islam filled it. Seems that sharing a common love for soccer with his father was not enough; the boy wanted to count for something, somehow. Perhaps his parents could have passed along centuries of heritage and religious ideology traditional in France. But the adults around him, with the last vestiges of an earlier moral heritage but likewise in the same vacuum, never thought to guide him into that path, and never saw the danger the vacuum produces.
P.McCoy says
Looking up to a sex predator clergy isn’t very inspiring. But of course to all of YOU, Catholicism that has thrown Orthodox Christians to Moslem wolves for centuries is peachy keen. As for terrorism- not really limited to the ME- I doubt if IRA terrorists and their sympathizers were Moslem- care to enlighten me? Preferably without spewing obscenities.
Karen says
Can’t say I’ve ever spewed obscenities, and in general your argument is fallacious, but I’ll try to respond. My point was that in an attempt to become completely secular and ideologically neutral, the West is inviting in a religion/political system that violently opposes secularism and ideological neutrality. Ironic, isn’t it?
IRA terrorists were murderers, just like ISIS and friends. But their Catholicism didn’t motivate their terrorism; that was pure politics and nationalism.
Hell has a special place for clergy-pedophiles of any religion. I have only compassion for anyone so molested. As a Protestant, I’ve been bewildered by the Vatican’s decades-long position to protect the perpetrators instead of the victims. No, I would never advise anyone to put their faith in corrupt power structures. I would reserve that to Jesus Christ only.
Jay Boo says
@P.McCoy
Wrong premise, wrong logic, and wrong conclusion are offered here.
However, that is a very impressive display of trolling.
You have obviously paid very close attention at trolling school.
SLEAZEBALL P.McCoy replied,
“Preferably without spewing obscenities”
That is rank lying in order to invalidate (SHAME ON YOU)
Giorgi says
Welcome to modern liberal Europe.
Walter Sieruk says
Instead of brainwashing children and using them a tools for the jihad the those Muslim clerics should go out and blow themselves up in a suicide bombing if those Islamic clerics really believe and do so is such a grand and wonderful thing to do .That they never do exposes much about their real character.
Holy Prophet APF says
That they never do exposes much about their real character.
Neither did the Holy Prophet Mohammed, who hard complaints about how he stayed well back of his bloody unprovoked attack battles, usually under a parasol to keep him out of the burning sun. So by being self-serving cowards the Mullahs are not to be criticized, for they are observing the Sunnah, a keystone of their “religion.”
jayell says
Idiot.
Angemon says
Or, as Jeffrey Tayler put it:
(I’d argue about the “emergent” bit though – it’s acceptable on the context of “latent due to the power of non-muslim nations, which caused muslim nations to be unable to practice the islamic imperative of waging war on non-muslims”, but not as “newly formed”, given the history of islamic caliphates)
ploome says
Nice to see a happy story for a change.
abad says
He hung out with the wrong people, he is now dead and I am supposed to be surprised?????
Look at it this way – if someone decides to get into the heroin crowd, take up the addiction, end up dead (and yes I know someone this happened to!), you cannot expect to be surprised.
And – really – this is just one reason I’d never be friendly nor encouraging of Muslims. I do NOT want to be a part of their death-cult.
Arthur says
Exactly. Children should be taught that Muslims are the ‘wrong crowd,’ just like thieves, drug users, cults, and violent gang members are the ‘wrong crowd.’ Hanging out with the ‘wrong crowd’ is a good way to lose your life’s ambitions or wind up dead.
Islam offers superficial piety in the no-smoking, no-drinking, brotherhood business, but its core beliefs and actions are evil by Western moral standards.
abad says
Exactly.
If kids want to lose the partying lifestyle, join a church instead. Maybe Pentecostal or Baptist.
Just say no to Islam.
somehistory says
His associates were muslims, he converted and then he was learning the language and studied the unholy book.
Associate and convert. Then *learn* and *study.* Once he had *converted* there was no turning back even if he had wanted to after *learning and studying*.
There is a Bible verse: ” Do not be mislead. Bad company corrupts good character (1 Corinthians 15:33).” It applies to this case of this boy who liked soccer and became a terrorist.
He could be, and should be, a warning to other parents that they need to know what their children are doing and with whom. The age of 13 is way too young to be making life-changing decisions as this guy did.
“Ultraconservative”…devotees of islam are to children as snakes in a bunny warren. The young bunnies are the easiest to catch.
Plutarchus7 says
I WONDER IF THIS JIHADIST SOCCER FAN
got a chance to play the sport with the severed head of an infidel before he died?
Madame Bafungo says
Divorce is the problem, families should stick together for the sake of the children. Any yes, we have to watch the children and it is also important to talk to them to know who are they mixing with.
P.McCoy says
Even if said “nice” hubby beats the crap out his wife? The son learns the law of the jungle- might makes right – by using brute Force!
Celine says
What are you talking about?
If you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything.
Jay Boo says
The weight of constant condemnation by a self-centered nagging Allah was too much to bear.
Muslim diseased.
gfdfhd says
(12) For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.Ephesians 6
From this verse we will miss the target by bullet if we hate muslim,we must make war against the the spirit behind Islam, muslim just victim of Islam, the satanic religion.
voegelinian says
“When his parents divorced in 2002, Drugeon and his brother Cyril drew close to ultraconservative Salafist Muslims who would gather in their neighborhood.”
So this telegraphs logically that merely “conservative Salafists” are okay; and merely “Salafists” are okay — but we must apparently only watch out for the tiny minority of ultraconservative Salafists. Lots of rhetorical padding there, anxiously insulating and distancing us from the thought crime of suspecting Muslims qua Muslims.
voegelinian says
retyped to correct the overly bold comment:
“When his parents divorced in 2002, Drugeon and his brother Cyril drew close to ultraconservative SalafistMuslims who would gather in their neighborhood.”
So this telegraphs logically that merely “conservative Salafists” are okay; and merely “Salafists” are okay — but we must apparently only watch out for the tiny minority of ultraconservative Salafists. Lots of rhetorical padding there, anxiously insulating and distancing us from the thought crime of suspecting Muslims qua Muslims.
voegelinian says
I notice a few comments speculate about how this young man could have gone down this route, and they conjecture that a broken home (parents divorced) is a clue — as though Western problems of society & family would be a plausible explanation. First of all, David (“Daoud”) Drugeon’s problem began when he converted to Islam, not merely later when he supposedly veered into “ultraconservative Salafism” — for we in the Counter-Jihad (well, most of us, anyway) know that normative, ordinary, mainstream, garden-variety, plain old Islam itself is the disease that expresses itself in (among other things) violent jihad.
Secondly, David’s problem wasn’t that his parents divorced — it is that his father married a fucking Muslima. Look at her being interviewed with her entire face covered in a niqab, expressing shock & dismay that her son, a good boy, could have gone down such a road:
http://www.ndf.fr/nos-breves/08-11-2014/disparition-de-david-daoud-drugeon-sa-mere-en-niqab-ne-comprend-pas-son-frere-le-presente-comme-un-militant-humanitaire#.VfWyFJdLpko
voegelinian says
Also, in a saner world, his Muslim brother Cyril would be arrested and interrogated and deported.
“When his parents divorced in 2002, Drugeon and his brother Cyril drew close to ultraconservative Salafist Muslims who would gather in their neighborhood.”
Not to mention that, of course, Cyril protests that his brother was “not a terrorist” —
http://www.itele.fr/france/video/david-drugeon-nest-pas-un-terroriste-selon-son-frere-cyril-99685