Hadith Qudsi 19:5: “The Prophet said that Allah commanded him to destroy all the musical instruments, idols, crosses and all the trappings of ignorance.” (The Hadith Qudsi, or holy Hadith, are those in which Muhammad transmits the words of Allah, although those words are not in the Qur’an.)
Muhammad also said:
(1) “Allah Mighty and Majestic sent me as a guidance and mercy to believers and commanded me to do away with musical instruments, flutes, strings, crucifixes, and the affair of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance.”
(2) “On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will pour molten lead into the ears of whoever sits listening to a songstress.”
(3) “Song makes hypocrisy grow in the heart as water does herbage.”
(4) “This community will experience the swallowing up of some people by the earth, metamorphosis of some into animals, and being rained upon with stones.” Someone asked, “When will this be, O Messenger of Allah?” and he said, “When songstresses and musical instruments appear and wine is held to be lawful.”
(5) “There will be peoples of my Community who will hold fornication, silk, wine, and musical instruments to be lawful ….” — ‘Umdat al-Salik r40.0
“His piano burned, musician joins migrant tide,” by Rana Moussaoui, Agence France Presse, September 21, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):
BEIRUT: Three years of siege, famine and bombing of his Damascus refugee camp didn’t kill celebrated musician Aeham al-Ahmad, but something died inside him the day militants burned his beloved piano in front of his eyes. It was then that Ahmad, whose music had brought consolation, even a bit of joy, to Yarmouk camp’s beleaguered residents, decided to join thousands of others and seek refuge in Europe.
“They burned it in April, on my birthday. It was my most cherished possession,” Ahmad told AFP, which is following his odyssey online, step-by-step. “The piano wasn’t just an instrument. It was like the death of a friend.”
For 27-year-old Ahmad, whose songs of hope amid the rubble of Syria’s largest Palestinian camp became a social media sensation last year, “it was a very painful moment.”
Since Syria’s civil war struck Yarmouk in 2013, the once-thriving neighborhood saw its population dwindle from 150,000 Palestinians and Syrians to barely 18,000 people.
The camp was caught up in fighting among government forces, rebels, and extremists and suffered a devastating siege by the Syrian army. About 200 people died from malnutrition and a lack of medicines.
Ahmad became a symbol of hope, helping Yarmouk’s people – particularly its children – forget for a moment the brutal war raging around them with every note he played. “The days when I felt the most helpless were when I had money, but I could not get milk for my year-old baby Kinan, or when my older son Ahmad would ask me for a biscuit,” he said.
“It was the worst feeling.”
But after ISIS militants attacked the camp in April, Ahmad’s gentle, tentative ray of light was engulfed in flames. He was in a pickup truck, trying to move his piano to nearby Yalda, where his wife and two boys were living, when he was stopped at a militant checkpoint.
“Don’t you know that music is haram [forbidden by Islam],” a gunman asked, before torching his beloved instrument.
Ahmad had stayed in Yarmouk until the day ISIS reduced his battered but precious upright piano to ashes: “That’s when I decided to leave.”
He would make for Germany, from where he would then try to get his family out of Syria.
He began the dangerous journey out of Damascus “as rockets rained down,” heading north through the provinces of Homs, Hama, and Idlib until he reached the Turkish border.
“At every step, I would meet another trafficker of human flesh,” he recalled….
Angemon says
As a music lover I feel sorry for his loss, but why is it up to Europe to take him in? He should demand restoration to whatever countries are funding the people who burned his breadwinner.
Dr. Divinity says
“In islam music is un-islamic”…Looks like the only thing that isn’t un-islamic is murder and all kinds of mayhem.
Keith Jordan says
Where does the article say the piano was “his breadwinner”? Did I miss it?
Angemon says
It doesn’t say – that was my own inference.
Jay Boo says
Islam does have music.
Traditional Country & Western — Patsy Cline I Fall to Pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Odka54ygk
Classic Soul — Put me (Back Together) again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2lzPEmDxIY
Techno — Whip It by Devo
somehistory says
Sum it up with “Crazy” also by Cline, written by Willie Nelson.
The crazy ones are those who fall for the lies.
The Christians and others sorely in need in those areas of the world have Connie Smith, “Now The Hurtin’s All Over…All Over Me.”
Music can lift the spirit. And some of it is written when the one composing is in deep despair. Those who destroy other’s means of expressing their feelings when the only reason for doing so is to hurt and humiliate and subject the others to pain and suffering, are nothing less than demonic.
celticwarriorcanada says
No music, no dogs , no women in their natural wholesome beauty , no free speech , no alcohol, so just what the hell can you do in this so called religion? well lets see ; you can pray, you can decapitate the children of the infidels. You can ritually torture animals , Bury the children of infidels alive , rape little girls ,sodomize little boys , beat your wife . Yes AHMED this is the so called religion your Dad and President Obama support and defend . Is it any wonder that you are not trusted and view by sensible Americans with suspicion ? The real wonder is that Americans have not launched a revolt and placed people like your dad , President Obama and Secretary Kerry on trial for TREASON !
john spielman says
Islam is death darkness and hell. allah /satan hates music but God loves music. He created “the music of the spheres” King David, and Solomon had singers and musicians in the tabernacle /temple worship
Abu Al-Dente says
And thanks to the ever-so-wise Western countries who severed their ties with Syria and shut down their embassies in Damascus – possibly making legal migration impossible from there, this man has no other choice but to blend in the migrant wave and be seen as just another one of them.
Jay Boo says
Islam has music
(I tried to post with three links but it did not post)
Traditional Country & Western — Patsy Cline I Fall to Pieces
Classic Soul — Put me (Back Together) again
Techno — Whip It by Devo
Mazo says
Many Sufi sects allow music. Sufi Imam Al-Ghazali permitted music and disliked the hadith against it. Sufis in Chechnya, Pakistan and Central Asia all play musical instruments. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is a world reknown Pakistani Sufi musician, Ali Dimaev, Timur Mutsurayev, Imam Alimsultanov, Khas-Magomed Hadjimuradov are all Chechen musicians.
http ://www.ghazali. org/articles/gz-music.pdf
Arabs themselves developed their own traditional music throughout medieval times with instruments and it is not due to western influence.
It is extremist Salafis who are hating music and smashing musical instruments.
There will be people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol, and musical instruments to be lawful is found in a Hadith and is not the words of the jurist who wrote the Shafi’i Madhhab Fiqh book Umdat as-Salik.
Epic fail.
Angemon says
Only if in your end – you’ve been trying to undermine and discredit posters who say that islam prohibits music only to be shot down by your coreligionists. Tsk tsk…
Mazo says
A group of Salafist fanatics smashing a piano belonging to an ordinary Palestinian non-Salafi Muslim- prove my point all along that ordinary Arab Muslims love music and Salafists hate it. There is nothing that I said earlier that was disproven by this. I said Salafists hate music and smash musical instruments while Sufis and other Muslims play music.
And its your homo transsexual loving friend with the mail order bride who claimed Salafists approve of music.
Western Canadian says
Since your purpose in being here is to muddy the waters and try to confuse any and all issues by lying…. Your ‘point’ proves nothing.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“A group of Salafist fanatics smashing a piano belonging to an ordinary Palestinian non-Salafi Muslim- prove my point all along that ordinary Arab Muslims love music and Salafists hate it.”
The question here is not whether or not “ordinary Arab Muslims” love music or not, it’s what islam says regarding music. Salafits try to practice islam as close as to what muhammad and the early generations of muslims did. If they think music is un-islamic then chances are music is un-islamic. Whether “ordinary Arab Muslims” like it or not is irrelevant to the tenets of islam.
“And its your homo transsexual loving friend with the mail order bride who claimed Salafists approve of music.”
You mean PJ, whom you tried to discredit by claiming that he never travelled to any muslim country and therefore anything he said regarding them and the muslims living in them was not to be believed? Which way is it, mazo? You can’t have it both ways – either PJ can’t be trusted or he’s telling the truth. You can start to untie that knot by linking to the post(s) where he allegedly said what you’re ascribing to him.
Mazo says
Sufis believe that the chain of transmission for their leaders derives all the way back to the Prophet and the Sufi sects which allow music reject the Hadith against it. They cite certain Hadith to justify jumping around during Dhikr. They do not believe that they follow an altered, syncretic Islam and believe that true Sufi teaching derives from the Prophet.
You should ask yourself why his posts were mass deleted, unless he said something so extreme or nasty it would have landed Jwatch in trouble. I know in one of his posts he wished death upon all Muslims before Jwatch deleted and mass purged his comments. There are tons of articles now where your posts also respond to something he said, yet his post is now nowhere to be found.
I am citing what he said to me. I did not say I believe his claims. Its hilarious how stupid you are, I am precisely citing him because I am saying he is incorrect and his claim is not to be believed. I said Salafis hate music, he says music is allowed in Salafism. Just like his lies that no Muslims live in Hangzhou and that Chaldeans are Kurds.
So why doesn’t he go to Yarmouk and tell them that Salafism approves of music.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“You should ask yourself why his posts were mass deleted, unless he said something so extreme or nasty it would have landed Jwatch in trouble.”
Nope. JW is not responsible for what third parties write in the comment section.
“I know in one of his posts he wished death upon all Muslims before Jwatch deleted and mass purged his comments.”
I’m going to call bullshit on that one. I can as easily say that you said something and were banned for it as well, “Horsey”.
“There are tons of articles now where your posts also respond to something he said, yet his post is now nowhere to be found.”
So you should be able to come up with evidence that PJ said he wished death on all muslims then.
“I am citing what he said to me. I did not say I believe his claims. Its hilarious how stupid you are, I am precisely citing him because I am saying he is incorrect and his claim is not to be believed.”
Except that you’ve chastised PJ several times for not telling mortimer that he was wrong regarding the prohibition of music in islam. That’s what happens when you pile lies up on lies – they eventually crash down on you.
Mazo says
No analmon, I said that since Jihadski apparently “knows” how Salafists love music, why he never corrected dumbledoresarmys stupid blanket claims that Muslims in general hate music, when he clealy saw her comment since I was responding to her when he wrote his rant.
Voldemortsarmy said Muslims in general hate music. I respond to Voldemortsarmy and told her only Salafists hate music. Mail order bride lover comes on and starts insulting me, saying Salafis approve of music. Does not bother to correct voldemortsarmy or tell her that she is wrong that Muslims hate music, since according to him even fanatic Salafists approve of it.
Nowhere did I indicate I believe his lies. Unless he believes Salafis are non-Muslim then he clearly saw voldemortsarmy say something he believes to be incorrect,
Angemon says
The maz-hole posted:
“No analmon, I said that since Jihadski apparently “knows” how Salafists love music, why he never corrected dumbledoresarmys stupid blanket claims that Muslims in general hate music, when he clealy saw her comment since I was responding to her when he wrote his rant.”
Let’s see if we can follow your tangle of lies: PJ, who, according to you is not to be trusted because – again, according to you – he never set foot in any muslim country and therefore can’t say anything about what takes place in those countries, lied when he said that he met salafis in SA who listened to music, and therefore he should have corrected DDA when he said that Salafis are against music, even though he can’t be trusted and lied about it (again, according to you).
tl;dr: you’re angry at DDA for telling the truth
Angemon says
More from the maz-hole:
“Nowhere did I indicate I believe his lies.”
Except that you did:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/saudis-offended-by-national-geographic-featuring-pope-ban-the-issue/comment-page-1#comment-1292694
Clearly you were standing with what PJ said, not implying he was lying.
Like I said, lies up on lies, crash down.
Mazo says
No, analmoron, the statement I made is that Jihadski claims that Salafism is okay with music. So why doesn’t he correct his fellow liar voldemortsarmy when she claims Muslims hate music?
Knowing that Arabs listen to music does not require someone to step foot in Saudi Arabia. There are famous Saudi musicians like Muhammad Abdu who use instruments in their music.
Jihadski claims that Salafism is okay with music because he claimed to have taught “Saudi Salafi students” who listened to rap and all kinds of music and started screaming about travelling to Saudi.
Jihadski, as stupid as he is, can have heard information second hand that Saudis listen to music such as from a Saudi international student, and from this, he guessed that all Saudis are Salafis (blatantly untrue, there are Saudi Sufis like Muhammad Alawi al-Maliki and many Saudis in Hijaz and Asir are Shafi’i and Maliki, not Hanbali like the Salafis in Najd), and then Jihadski misconstrued from this that somehow Salafis are okay with music
Muhammad Abdu, the famous Saudi musician, was born in the Asir region on the Arabian peninsula which is not anywhere close to the Salafi dominated Saudi heartland of Najd.
Music is nowhere even equivalent to blatantly haram things like drinking wine in the eyes of clerics who permit instruments.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“No, analmoron, the statement I made is that Jihadski claims that Salafism is okay with music.”
Can you link to where he said that or are we supposed to blindly believe you on that one?
“Knowing that Arabs listen to music does not require someone to step foot in Saudi Arabia.”
Same can be said for a lot of things, but you were the one who ranted and foamed from the mouth because some posters were talking about countries they never set a foot on. You’re just arguing against yourself by now.
“Jihadski, as stupid as he is, can have heard information second hand that Saudis listen to music such as from a Saudi international student, and from this, he guessed that all Saudis are Salafis (blatantly untrue, there are”
I’m just going to quote you now:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/saudis-offended-by-national-geographic-featuring-pope-ban-the-issue/comment-page-1#comment-1292694
See, the problem with you saying “the statement I made is that Jihadski claims that Salafism is okay with music” is that we have you on record saying that PJ knows that Arabs (not Saudis or Salafis, Arabs) like listening to music.
Like I said, lies, pile up, crash down.
Mazo says
Anal-Moron, Jihadski said Salafis in Saudi are okay with music, because he claimed to have taught “Salafi students” in Saudi Arabia.
He clearly heard secondhand somewhere or saw a Saudi Arab international student listening to music so that he could make such a boldfaced claim. Not necessarily while in Saudi Arabia. What is true is that Saudi youth listen to music. (True) What is false is that Salafis are okay with it. (Blatant lie)
I reject his stupid claim that Saudis are okay with music, but he clearly knows of some Saudi students who listened to them.
Just as his mixed up information about Kurds and Chaldeans – he knows that Chaldeans live in Kurdistan (true) and got that information somewhere, but since he is stupid he thought Chaldeans are ethnic Kurds. (Blatant lie). He keeps making massive mistakes about the peoples he claims to meet on his “travels”.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“Anal-Moron, Jihadski said Salafis in Saudi are okay with music, because he claimed to have taught “Salafi students” in Saudi Arabia.”
I’ve asked you to back your claim. I linked to a post where YOU claimed PJ said that Arabs (not Salafis, Arabs) listened to music. There’s a clear discrepancy in your story – you either lied then or you’re lying now.
“He clearly heard secondhand”
Speculation.
“or saw a Saudi Arab international student listening to music so that he could make such a boldfaced claim. Not necessarily while in Saudi Arabia. What is true is that Saudi youth listen to music. (True)”
PJ stated that he taught in SA and some of his students who claimed to be Salafis listened to music. Basically, you’re confirming what he said while trying to claim he lied.
“ What is false is that Salafis are okay with it. (Blatant lie)”
Which, as far as I can tell – even going by YOUR older posts – PJ didn’t say.
“I reject his stupid claim that Saudis are okay with music,”
Huh, you claimed that PJ stated that Salafis- not Saudis – were OK with music. Let me know when you get your story straight.
“but he clearly knows of some Saudi students who listened to them.”
Which, again, was what he said – not that Salafi allows music, just that some of his students who claimed to be devout salafis listened to music.
Mazo says
Analmon, show me where any of my psots were deleted unlike Jihadskis. Jihadski had nearly his entire posting history purged.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“Analmon, show me where any of my psots were deleted”
Oh, mazo, you just LOVE to set yourself up for the fall, don’t you?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/thailand-islamic-jihadists-murder-four-in-raid-on-village-office
There are users replying to you there, but where are your posts? Ups! And I bet that if we were to check other topics around that date we’d find similar situations.
“Jihadski had nearly his entire posting history purged.”
Are you part of JW’s staff to know that? In any case, you’re bad at keeping records of what’s deleted and not, as proved above.
Angemon says
Mazo:
“Jihadski had nearly his entire posting history purged.”
That doesn’t mean you’re entitled to re-write it – PJ never claimed that Salafism allowed music.
Mazo says
Anal moron, Jihadski claimed to have taught Salafi Saudi Arabian youth. Salafis in Saudi Arabia are 99% Arab since Saudi Arabia does not freely hand out citizenship to foreign races.
This is the post Jihadski replied to when he started screeching about his “Salafi students” listening to music and saying that I was wrong , since I said Salafis are against music.
Mazo says
July 26, 2014 at 1:13 pm
Has this clown-liar Voldemort’s Army ever met and spoke with in Arab Muslim in person? (i say Arab Muslim because she will no doubt screech like a banshee about how pre-islamic influence bla bla bla)
Arab Muslims all over the Arab world listen to music. Only Salafist fanatics do not. Even Saudi Arabia has a national anthem. There are tens of millions of religious Arab Muslims who pray and listen to Arab pop music with instruments. It’s not western influence, they’ve been doing it for over 1,000 years. Do you know what an Oud is?
Please see a psychiatrist.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“Anal moron, Jihadski claimed to have taught Salafi Saudi Arabian youth. Salafis in Saudi Arabia are 99% Arab since Saudi Arabia does not freely hand out citizenship to foreign races.”
Huh, so what? Try to remember the issue at hand: you claimed that PJ stated that salafism allowed music. What he actually said was that he taught to salafis in Saudi Arabia who listened to music – and you already admitted that much is true.
What PJ actually said – and it can be confirmed by your post I linked to above – was that he some Arabs in Saudi Arabia liked to listen to music, which is not the same as saying that salafism allows music, like you claim.
“This is the post Jihadski replied to”
Red herring, Frwee Wilry – give us PJ’s post, not your own. Also, where’s the link for that? I’d like to see PJ’s response to that. This is the part where you’ll claim his posts were deleted, but humour me anyway – other users might have quoted him. Of course, had someone quoted him and he was saying what you claim he was, you’d give us the topic. But if someone quoted him and he’s saying something different…
And I noticed you ignored the part where I proved that you had posts deleted as well. Tsk tsk…
Mazo says
Anal-moron.
Provide a scenario in which Jihadski responds to that post of mine I quoted, where he DISAGREES with what I said in that post, AND does not claim that Salafis approve of music.
Mazo says
July 26, 2014 at 1:13 pm
Has this clown-liar Voldemort’s Army ever met and spoke with in Arab Muslim in person? (i say Arab Muslim because she will no doubt screech like a banshee about how pre-islamic influence bla bla bla)
Arab Muslims all over the Arab world listen to music. Only Salafist fanatics do not. Even Saudi Arabia has a national anthem. There are tens of millions of religious Arab Muslims who pray and listen to Arab pop music with instruments. It’s not western influence, they’ve been doing it for over 1,000 years. Do you know what an Oud is?
Please see a psychiatrist.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“Anal-moron.
Provide a scenario in which Jihadski responds to that post of mine I quoted, where he DISAGREES with what I said in that post, AND does not claim that Salafis approve of music.”
So, you’re not going to link to wherever topic that post is allegedly from? Figures…
The scenario is the same scenario I said above, and to which your own post I linked to attests to: you claimed that salafis don’t listen to music and PJ said that he taught arabs in Saudia Arabia who listened to music while considering themselves devout.
So, maz-ole, where’s the link to PJ saying that Salafism allows music? Where’s the link to the topic where you’re quoting your post from? Did someone quoted PJ’s full post and we can see for ourselves that you’re lying?
Also, I delivered what you asked – proof that your posts were deleted as well.
Your turn, Frwee Wilry – are you going to link to either a post by PJ or that post of yours, or are you going to admit you’re lying through your teeth?It’s clear that you hate PJ with all your strength – however minuscule and insignificant it may be – and that you’ve ascribed all manner of things to him, so what’s a bit of “he said salafism allows music” among that?
Mazo says
Analmoron, why would the sex tourist DISAGREE with a statement that Salafis hate music, by just saying that Saudi Arabs listen to music?
The sex tourist said he taught Salafi Saudi youth who listened to music of all kinds.
Angemon says
the maz-hole posted:
“The sex tourist said he taught Salafi Saudi youth who listened to music of all kinds.”
And there you go, straight from [the] Horsey’s mouth – what PJ said was that some of his students in Saudi Arabia listened to music, not that Salafism permitted music, like this lying jackass claimed over and over for the last few days.
The truth will set you free.
Mazo says
Analmon, he said Saudi Salafi youth listened to music along with an insult laced post, claiming that I was wrong that Salafis were against music.
Angemon says
The maz-oçe posted:
“Analmon, he said Saudi Salafi youth listened to music along with an insult laced post, claiming that I was wrong that Salafis were against music.”
No, he said that some of his students, who professed to be devout, listened to music. He never stated that salafism allowed music – that was just another of your slanders. In fact, he even asked you if you knew ALL salafis and muslims, since you claimed that NO salafi listened to music.
As I stated several times, what a religion teaches and what its adherents do don’t always overlap, and that crucial detail always eludes hatemongers like you.
Westman says
Mazo,
I’ll go halfway with you here. Apparently current Sufism is maginalized by both mainstream Sunni and Shia “scholars” while ancient Sufi scholars are respected which is very inconsistent. Ataturk apparently turned on it in the 1920s when Turkey went secular. Is it a kinder, gentler form of Islam?
How about a reference where I can read what Sufis actually believe, from their own sources? Everything I’m reading seems to have an agenda against sufism, yet, I also read that Sufism has an emphasis on spritualism which is sorely lacking in Wahabism.
Mazo says
Sufism Is not pacifist, it is different. Sufism is not marginalized by current mainstream Sunni scholars. Many of them practice Sufism. Unless you are talking about Salafi scholars. The Naqshbandi order is a Sufi insurgent group in Iraq.
Nazim Al-Haqqani is a well known Naqshbandi Sufi scholar in the west. Go read his writings.
Westman says
Is this the correct Shaykh Muhammad Nazim Al-Haqqani to whom you refer who passed away in 2014?
http://www.naqshbandi.org/teachings/refutation/interview-with-shaykh-muhammad-nazim-al-haqqani/
Mazo says
Yes.
voegelinian says
“yet, I also read that Sufism has an emphasis on spritualism which is sorely lacking in Wahabism.”
Yes, like the “spiritualism” of the Sufi mystic Al-Halaj who while he was being tortured to death by his co-religionist Sunni Muslims in 922 A.D. in Iraq: in the agony of his public torture, he was reputed to have offered up his punishment in a prayer for the sake of the dream that Constantinople would be conquered. Wow, some “spiritual mystic” he was! His dying wish was that a city of Infidels be attacked and conquered!
Scholar of the history of Islam, Louis Massignon, characterized Hallaj as, in a manner of speaking, the “principal patron of the army that conquered Istanbul”.
Louis Massignon, from his essay, Textes relatifs à la prise de Constantinople en 1453, [Texts pertaining to the capture of Constantinople in 1453] published in 1953 in the journal Oriens (Vol. 6, No. 1):
And by the way, al-Ghazali, perhaps the greatest Sufi in history, whom Mazo likes to assure us approved of music, also approved of ISIS-like jihad against Kuffar.
In approximately 1101 A.D., Al-Ghazali advised concerning those whom Muslims are conquering and have conquered and need to keep in line:
…one must go on jihad …at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – i.e. Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked….One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…
…the dhimmi [may never] mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [non-Muslim poll tax]….[O]n offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protuberant bone beneath his ear [lower jaw]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…[T]heir houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low…. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle is … wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. [Dhimmis must] wear [an identifying] patch, even women, and even in the [public] baths…[Dhimmis] must hold their tongue….
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/07/the_sufi_moderate_alghazali.html
I.e., Sufis are still our enemy for fuck sake.
gravenimage says
Voegelinian wrote:
And by the way, al-Ghazali, perhaps the greatest Sufi in history, whom Mazo likes to assure us approved of music, also approved of ISIS-like jihad against Kuffar.
……………………………….
*Very true*, Voegelinian. As I’m sure you know, al-Ghazali was also the infamous “Destroyer of Philosophy”, who more than any other figure was responsible for codifying Islam’s rejection of reason–which was largely implicit before his time.
Budvarakbar says
The ancient Persians are credited with inventing the bagpipes — as the first instrument of torture and terrorism
Westman says
Anyone who dislikes music is a danger to himself and others. Now not only has the musician Aeham al-Ahmad been robbed of piano and spirit; unknown numbers of people have been robbed of solace.
Even the Bible is replete with Angels who didn’t sing those sick nasheeds. Did Muhammad cancel the “Book”? Here is concrete proof that Allah and the Christian God are not the same and Muhammad(or his creators) pushed their own sick attitude to have more control over the believers.
Psalms 150:4
Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe.
Psalms 98:4-6
Shout joyfully to the LORD, all the earth; Break forth and sing for joy and sing praises. Sing praises to the LORD with the lyre, With the lyre and the sound of melody. With trumpets and the sound of the horn Shout joyfully before the King, the LORD.
1 Chronicles 15:28
Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the LORD with shouting, and with sound of the horn, with trumpets, with loud-sounding cymbals, with harps and lyres.
Apparently, Muhammad’s followers have placed his sour attitude about music above the God of the Old Testament. It’s more evidence of the supremist attitudes and the falseness of Islam.
Perhaps a better defense against creeping Sharia is to point out that Islam wishes to take away music and movies rather than pointing out it’s desire for your servitude. Even 14 year olds would get the message.
Without the uplifting ability of music and art, the slaves will continue to drag their knuckles, self-flagellate, and heap all the misery they can tolerate upon themselves and their posterity.
It makes the boring hedonistic Jannah look worthwhile. When they have all the food, sex, wine, and retelling of conquests unto saturation the Christians will be playing music; joking among themselves about Jannah and that the “believers” don’t know it’s really Hell because Yaweh doesn’t want to tell them and appear “Islamophobic”. Yaweh is merciful.
Bowie says
If music is Un-Islamic why do their progaganda videos have it?
Jack Diamond says
I wouldn’t call that music but you have a point. Since they are propaganda and serve a higher purpose, jihad, well, it covers a multitude of sins.
The teachings are firm, even for the call to prayer not becoming song:
“Ibn al-Haaj said:
Chapter on the prohibition of making the adhaan like singing
One must be careful to avoid giving a tune like singing to the adhaan, and one must also tell others not to do things that they have innovated by making it resemble singing”
Also from Islam Q&A:
“The views of the scholars (imaams) of Islam
Al-Qaasim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Singing is part of falsehood. Al-Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: if there is music involved in a dinner invitation (waleemah), do not accept the invitation (al-Jaami by al-Qayrawaani, p. 262-263).
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The view of the four Imaams is that all kinds of musical instruments are haraam. It was reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said that there would be among his ummah those who would allow zinaa, silk, alcohol and musical instruments, and he said that they would be transformed into monkeys and pigs… None of the followers of the imaams mentioned any dispute concerning the matter of music. (al-Majmoo’, 11/576).
Al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The four madhhabs are agreed that all musical instruments are haraam. (al-Saheehah, 1/145).
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The madhhab of Abu Haneefah is the strictest in this regard, and his comments are among the harshest. His companions clearly stated that it is haraam to listen to all musical instruments such as the flute and the drum, even tapping a stick. They stated that it is a sin which implies that a person is a faasiq (rebellious evil doer) whose testimony should be rejected. They went further than that and said that listening to music is fisq (rebellion, evildoing) and enjoying it is kufr (disbelief). This is their words.
Al-Tabari (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The scholars of all regions are agreed that singing is makrooh and should be prevented. Although Ibraaheem ibn Sa’d and ‘Ubayd-Allaah al-‘Anbari differed from the majority, (it should be noted that) the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Adhere to the majority.” And whoever dies differing from the majority, dies as a jaahili. (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/56).
Mazo says
islamqa is a Salafi website and it cites Salafi scholars.
Salafis approve of Anasheed, which are songs unaccompanied by any forms of musical instruments. That is what they use. They also use autotune on them.
Sufis don’t follow dictates from Salafi scholars and many Muslim scholars accept the use musical instruments.
Jack Diamond says
Tabari et al, like Ibn Kathir or al-Suyuti are classic Sunni scholars venerated by Sunni Muslims, dismissing them as salafi, as if that is a dirty word, doesn’t change that their pronouncements upon music are grounded in Islam, regardless that there are other clerics who like music, or disregard the hadith, and regardless of how many Muslims like music (most I would guess). And what percentage of Muslims are Sufi again?
Mazo says
I didn’t say Salafis are something dirty. They are well within Islam and regarded as Muslims.
Tabari said it is Makruh (hated) not Haram (forbidden). Oral sex is also Makruh but not haram like sodomy in the anus is.
Nunop says
He is the bravest politician of Europe… we are proud of him…
Denis says
Isn’t it ironic. The forces of ISIS in their snuff videos of beheadings, burning people alive drowning people cutting throats shootings and hangings are all accompanied by music and singing.
gravenimage says
A load of rot from Mazo:
Many Sufi sects allow music. Sufi Imam Al-Ghazali permitted music and disliked the hadith against it
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Firstly, no one much cares if there are individual Muslims who dislike certain Hadith–not so long as there are others who are happy to violently enforce their tenets.
Secondly, implying that the very influential Al-Ghazali–the infamous Muslim”Destroyer of Philosophy”–was uncritically pro-music is grotesquely misleading.
Al-Ghazali largely limited music to religious–Islamic–and “warrior’s songs”–violent Jihad. He wrote that those listening to music should sit in silence with their heads bent, and avoid at all costs looking at one another.
He condemned entire categories of music as Haram–including most music that uses instruments. What would he have thought of a piano–one of the most Kuffar of instruments? I doubt he would have approved…
In fact, he constantly railed against music’s supposed bad influence on young people and anyone who found music too joyful.
And in some ways he was even stricter than many other Muslim “scholars”, even condemning the use of the drum when praising the “Prophet”–something considered permissible by many other Muslims.
So citing the appalling Al-Ghazali is pretty iffy…
More:
There will be people in my Ummah, who will hold adultery, silk, alcohol, and musical instruments to be lawful is found in a Hadith and is not the words of the jurist who wrote the Shafi’i Madhhab Fiqh book Umdat as-Salik.
Epic fail.
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Well, this is just bizarre–the model of the “Prophet” found in the Hadith is a major source–along with the Qur’an–of brutal Shari’ah law. Further, the implication that The Reliance of the Traveller is pro-music is just wrong.
Moreover, all this wrangling–and Mazo declaring that concern over Muslim’s violent hatred of music is an “epic fail”–could not be more grotesque on a thread where pious Muslims just destroyed a man’s piano.
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A group of Salafist fanatics smashing a piano belonging to an ordinary Palestinian non-Salafi Muslim- prove my point all along that ordinary Arab Muslims love music and Salafists hate it.
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There have always been lax Muslims–pious Mohammedans destroying a lax Muslim’s cache of liquor does not somehow prove that Islam approves of alcohol.
This is something we would not much care about, any more than, say, non-Catholics would care about whether someone is keeping Lent or non-Jews care about whether Jews are keeping the Yom Kippur fast.
Who cares whether Muslims fast on Ramadan or whether they listen to music? It would be of no concern to civilized Infidels *except* that so many of Mazo’s devout coreligonists are eager to violently impose Islam’s strictures–both on their fellow Muslims *and on us*.
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No analmon (sic), I said that since Jihadski apparently “knows” how Salafists love music, why he never corrected dumbledoresarmys stupid blanket claims that Muslims in general hate music, when he clealy (sic) saw her comment since I was responding to her when he wrote his rant.
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Once again, Mazo is demanding that a poster–one whom he regularly slanders in the most outrageous manner–whitewash Islam.
And why not? Muslims believe that *everyone* must present Islam in a positive light–and we all know that they are threatened if they do not.
And once more, he lies about Dumbledore’s Army–like myself, she never claimed that some Muslims haven’t indulged in listening to music–just that, quite accurately, Islam itself condemns music, and many devout Muslims are all too happy to violently enforce the ban.
Mazo cannot deny that this is the case–this very article is yet more proof of the phenomenon.
Mazo says
Cravenmirage, music is not the equivalent of alcohol in Islam. Alcohol is unanimously regarded as haram by all Muslims and nobody ever challenged that. Alcohol may be drunk by lax Muslims. A devout Muslim who practices Islam would never drink alcohol. But there are devout Muslims who pray five times a day and listen to music anddo not regard it as haram.
Music can be openly produced, consumed and sold in places like Saudi Arabia. Muhammad Abdu can freely perform and produce music in Saudi. Alcohol on the other hand, cannot. If you produce bootleg alcohol in Saudi and get caught doing it, you will get arrested.
Jihadski claimed Salafis approveof music.
According to his logic, ISIS and Al-Qaeda approve of music since they are Salafis.
So cravenmirage claims I am demanding that Jihadski “whitewash” Islam, when he is already whitewashing for Salafis.
Angemon says
The maz-ole posted:
“Jihadski claimed Salafis approveof music.”
No, he didn’t. You keep repeating that lie, but if GI subscribes to JW she can very well look into her archives.
“According to his logic, ISIS and Al-Qaeda approve of music since they are Salafis.”
Nope. Not according to his logic, since he never made the claim you ascribe him.
Peggy says
Does this mean that Cat Stevens, sorry, Yusuf Islam will have to cancel his tour now?
Ilaila says
There is no definitive explicit Islamic legal text (of Koran, Authentic Hadith or Unanimity {Ijmaa}) prohibiting music. Everything not prohibited expressly in a legal text, is allowed in Islam. So music is allowed & permissible in Islam, like ‘talk’ or ‘poetry’ as expressions of one’s feelings. Anything allowed has 6 categories in Islam (1.Permissible {mobah}, 2. Desirable {mandoub}, 3.Recommended {mostahhab}, 4.Disliked {makrouh}, 5.Strongly Disliked (makrouh shadeed}), 6.Prohibited (mamnoo}. Authentic Hadith is Sahih (correct) or Hasan (good) hadith only. Fabricated hadith are not considered hadith. Weak hadith is considered Frivolous Hadith and not considered for ruling except in noble manners or moral excellence. There is strong censure in Koran for those people who prohibit the allowed things in Islam. If anyone does not like anything then he could desist from it but not prohibit it in Islam. Regarding the ahadith mentioned in the article need to be classified first, as their classification has not been mentioned. As a general rule anything allowed in Islam is prohibited to be used for immoral or illegal purpose. Moreover the mention in the hadith refers to only a section of the community. Also he makes reference to that they ‘allow’ it, that means presence of legal text prohibiting music from Ayat or Hadith, which is non-existent. If we follow further it will open door that the text has been lost, that means religion has not reached us in completeness. But the Islamic texts profess & the Muslims believe that they have received the religion in its entirety from the Prophet (S) & has been preserved in is entirety, as God has undertaken himself to guard against it in Koran.
Ilaila says
Unanimity (Ijmaa) of the companions of the Prophet is the 3rd source for ruling in Islam, in absence of the text in Koran or Hadith. The knowledgeable companions of the Prophet were sequestered in Medina during the first three Caliphs to give rulings in Islam, which are recorded in the compilations of the era. The Ijma rulings can be referred to by referring to those compilations. Those knowledgeable companions represented the Ummah (or Community) of Muslims in its entirety after the Prophet (P) on this Earth having in total the full knowledge what the Prophet (S) conveyed to the humanity. Authentic Hadith of the Prophet (S) (the unverified estimated estimation: the unverified estimated hearsay compilation of the sayings of the Prophet(S)) is the 2nd source for ruling in Islam, since he was given the full knowledge of the God’s religion of Islam by the God through His revelation of 23 years through the Archangel Gabriel: unverified by the Prophet(S), estimated by the compilers of Hadith from the hearsay. Koran (the verified confirmed estimation, {verified by the Prophet(S), archangel & God, confirmed by God, estimated by us, since it was revealed from the Populated House in the 7th Firmament downloaded from the Guarded Tablet on the Night of the Preordination, in secret by God to the Prophet, through the agency of Archangel Gabriel, no one saw him, as a choice for belief based on logic & intellect} for a period of 23 years from 610 to 622 CE), the source book of God’s religion & His Guidance to Humanity as to His Will, is the direct word of God, preserved in the Guarded Tablet with God & written in it 50 thousand years before the beginning of the creation of the Creation, the most authentic, the most preserved, first & the main source for ruling in Islam.
Ilaila says
‘Haram’ in Arabic means “Sanctuaried’ in English. The word ‘forbidden’ or ‘prohibited’ is euphemism for Haram & not a strict literal translation, ie. sancturied to be forbidden (because of its sanctity). There is a hadith that God’s sanctuary is like a forbidden pasture where grazing is disallowed, so any shepherd nears it with his flock he is going to transgress it unknowingly, so keep away from it to safeguard yourself against any inadvertent violation. ‘Moharram’ (the 1st month of Hijra Ca lender) ie. the ‘Sanctuaried’ month is so called since it is sanctuaried against fighting ie. fighting was prohibited in this month among the Arabian tribes by agreement of all for the safe passing of the pilgrims at their return from Mecca. ‘AlBait AlHaram’ meaning ‘the Sanctauried House’ against non-believers by God in Mecca, which is also known as the ‘Grand Mosque’ in English. ‘AlHaram AlMakki’ meaning the ‘Meccan Sanctuary’ against non-believers by God, an area of 25km2 around the mosque, where non-believers are not allowed to enter, being a God’s sanctuary for His believers. So anything forbidden in Islam is ‘sanctauried’ from it or against it to protect the believers. In this meaning all the use of word ‘harram aleikom’ in Koran or Hadith means ‘sanctauried from’ e.g marrying the blood-kin, eating the specified, doing the specific deeds, etc.