“Make dua our brothers”: imagine praying that mass murder plots would succeed.
I know that some elements in American society would do so, despite most of them being hardcore atheists, if the people threatening to launch terror attacks were “right-wing extremists” or “Christian extremists”.
Mosays
@ Angemon
“I know that some elements in American society would do so, despite most of them being hardcore atheists, if the people threatening to launch terror attacks were “right-wing extremists” or “Christian extremists”.”
Oh, of course. It’s astounding to me how I always come across atheists on the internet complaining about Christianity (and spouting off falsehoods about it) and at the same time they bend over backwards to defend Islam! It just leaves you stunned when you see it.
Then, when you call them on it, they just call you more names and/or spew profanity at you and then disappear. Never once have I see an atheist address this strange contradiction. Never.
JerrySsays
I agree. An athiest complaining about Islam is what I would like to see. But Athiest isn’t the point…Liberal is the point.
AmericanAtheistsays
I’m an Atheist, and, while I find Christianity to be just as false as Islam (that is, both are completely unbelievable), obviously Islam is a far greater problem in the modern world than is Christianity. The notion that people (like us) who criticize Islam are Islamophobic is just a leftist ploy to try to silence perfectly legitimate criticism of Islam (and criticism of Muslims). It’s unbelievable that the leftist apologists for Islam claim to champion gay rights, womens rights, and equality for all, because the very Islamists they defend ad nausem would slaughter them in an instant. Having attend a semi-elite institution of higher education in this country, I know (and have faced the full wrath) of the leftist, free speech hating Marxists that inhabit our universities today. The problem isn’t being an Atheist, it’s being a fascist, free-speech hating leftist.
Mark DeFord Eletionsays
“Never once have I see an atheist address this strange contradiction. Never.”
You’ll see it here if you watch for it. Watch this:
I am an atheist. In the past four years or so, my thinking changed from “all religions are equally bad”, to “islam needs to be eliminated from human thought.” I think I understand other atheists well enough to say this: Most atheists, when they see religion, they see a pile of harmful nonsense, which they try their best to ignore. Because christianity is the predominant religion in the west, most western atheists have been exposed to it enough to understand it fairly well. They tend to be less knowledgeable regarding islam, because they have been exposed to it less.
Once an atheist begins to learn about the real islam (from reading Spencer’s work, for example) he or she will begin to see why islam is so much more evil.
When a christian complains about islam, it can be taken as petty bickering based on simple religious differences. When an atheist speaks against islam, people may be more willing to listen.
It does not serve you well to speak against atheists, because they can be your best friend.
Whenever there is some new atrocity or call for a jihad attack, the Atheist bashers come out of the woodwork! Neither Robert nor Pamella (both of whom I have met and spoke with, and respect) ever make these types of derogatory comments. Why should you?
Admittedly, there are some so-called Atheists in Western countries who side with the Muslims, often because of ostracism by bigoted Christians. However, most of them are motivated by leftist politics – not religion. But ironically, there are also just as many Christians and Jews out there, who (largely out of ignorance) also aid and abet our enemies. I know many of them personally, and even have some in my own family.
I’ve been a member of Atheist and Humanist societies for over 50 years, and no one is more anti-Muslim than me. I’ve been fighting this fight for decades – long before most Westerners had heard of the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’. Contrary to your claim, I’ve found that most Atheists are against Islam – it is after all, just another supernatural belief system. Nevertheless, I’ve also been branded a ‘racist’, a ‘bigot’ and an ‘Islamophobe’ by so-called atheist friends, who are simply just leftist ideologues. So in that respect, hard-core religionists are not alone – but you need to get your facts right and temper your accusations.
These continual superficial jibes say more about the rigid mindsets of our accusers than the atheists they condemn – or the fanaticism of devout Muslim jihadists, who they should be condemning! I’ve just returned from a pilgrimage to your 9/11 memorial in New York, where 11 Australians also died. When was the last time you saw Atheists fly planes into buildings? When have you seen Atheists blown themselves up in suicide attacks? When did you last see atheists shoot up a military base, screaming “Allahu akbar!” And if they ever did, it’s much more likely they’d be singing the ‘Red Flag’ and carrying Marxist slogans. Don’t continually attack Atheists! Lay the blame where it is due – fairly and squarely at the racist and violent verses in the Qur’an, its militant mullahs and imams in their mosques, and its legions of fanatical would-be jihadists.
Wake up to the fact that the anti-Islam movement consists of people of all religious persuasions – AND NONE! We all need each other in this battle with our common enemy – not infighting amongst ourselves. Read Pam Geller’s ‘Stop the Islamization of America’. Go to their meetings and learn more about the enemy and their tactics. Go out and confront these malicious bastards on the street; or write letters to your Congressman; or join an Anti-Islam political party – or start one (such a party is launching in Australia next month). But don’t just sit there and bitch about Atheists. We are not your enemy in this war! Fight against the real enemy – Islam, and its Marxist enablers – not Atheists! Any disagreements we might have can wait until the fight with Islam is over. If we can’t do that, we will all lose – and both Atheism and Christianity will disappear from the face of the Earth.
Angemonsays
Aussie Infidel, I said “some elements, most of them hardcore atheists”, not “all atheists” or even “most atheists”. It’s satire – atheists praying.
sidney pennysays
Hi Robert
Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you..
So you might have explained what dua is.
Part of worship or prayer?
Asking God/Allah to do something for you?
CogitoErgoSumsays
In this case I would say it could be defined as invoking the powers of Satan (under the guise of Allah) and offering your soul up as a vessel for pure evil in order to overcome any moral reservations you may have about committing the most heinous of crimes toward your fellow man.
Noorsays
Dual is supplication to Allah. Basically it is asking Allah for something as opposed to the 5 obligatory ritual prayers prayed daily by Muslims. Those 5 are merely to worship Allah.
Noorsays
Dua not dual, sorry. Autocorrect.
Katnissays
Feeling grateful that our forefathers had the insight to give us the right to bear arms. If you attack a soldier’s home, rest assured that his family… and neighbors… and every American will fight back.
Now show your face, you coward.
Kathy Brown, Esq.says
Amen Kat! And they are cowards-they don’t want to live; they hate their lives, and who can blame them, given the godforsaken nature of islamic ‘life’.
So when they die, they’re not brave. And they always, always choose soft targets, you notice? Even when they counter our military heroes: They’re high as kites on drugs. They all take drugs-that’s their ‘life’.
I pray for a president who’ll unleash us, w/o psycho ROE’s, on this infernal enemy. We can mop this up very quickly.
Amen. And they should know that there are multiple millions of us who have already been tested in war, and know this current enemy.
Should they strike, and should we defend, on US soil, by God’s Providence, they should know they will find themselves in eternity facing the Demon who spawned them – sooner than they expected….
Davidsays
Hello USMC Warrior,
I support you 100 percent. I am retired navy and hate muzzies. I will be right next to you fixing bayonets if we have to.
David
Charli Mainsays
@ katnis
I wonder how many American anti-Jihadists remember this historical quote.
YOU CANNOT INVADE THE MAINLAND UNITED STATES. THERE WOULD BE A RIFLE BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS.
ADMIRAL ISOROKU YAMAMOTO.
Take heart Katnis. As long as there is an American that can hold a rifle, the fight against the Muslim invaders, won´t be over.
Mark DeFord Eletionsays
“Feeling grateful that our forefathers had the insight to give us the right to bear arms.”
They didn’t give us that right. Self defense is an inherent right we have as living creatures – one of the most important rights we can have.
Governments often try to take that right away, under the pretense that whatever limited protection they can provide will be enough. It rarely is. When seconds count, government services are only minutes away.
Alexsays
What a bunch of cowards! I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!
ferrissays
sorry but obama will not fight his own people you idiot when you going to wake up to realize your muslim president obama who brought them here in the first place you jack ass ?
Davidsays
Just think of all the people of his color that think he is the best “prezzident” we have ever had!
He is a muzzie!
Kathy Brown, Esq.says
You’re kidding, right?
Should anyone in the USA shoot and kill jihadis trying to kill us? Obama will have a plan alright! And it’ll be, ‘Sic the DOJ on those right-wing zealots! Defend the multiculturalism of jihad!’
And you can take that to the bank.
Mosays
@ Kathy Brown, Esq.
“Should anyone in the USA shoot and kill jihadis trying to kill us? Obama will have a plan alright! And it’ll be, ‘Sic the DOJ on those right-wing zealots! Defend the multiculturalism of jihad!’ ”
Absolutely right. He’s demonstrated time and time again that he is always on the side of Muslims in general, jihadis, and other criminals. He always chooses that which is evil over that which is good. You can count on it as sure as you can count on the sun rising each morning.
And STILL people support him. I saw some young guy on the train yesterday with a t-shirt that had that well known photo of a young Barry smoking.
@Alex
“I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!”
Obama is one with the Jihadis, Alex.
Obama wishes to enslave the white population in retaliation for the black slavery of old.
Obama is a black supremacist, a Muslim sympathizer if not a Muslim, outright.
Once you grasp this fact, many things will become clear.
Mosays
@ Alex
“What a bunch of cowards! I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!”
You’re being sarcastic or joking, right?
Shmooviyetsays
Alex forgot to hit the sarc/on…. didn’t he?
Westmansays
The cowards coming to Europe wouldn’t fight to save their country from Daesh because Islam forbids any allegiance superseding Islam or it’s real Caliphate. They have never been patriots. Why the US thought it could create an opposition army from non-patriots defies common sense. They were there for the paycheck.
Since Daesh is a usurping pseudo-Caliphate one would think that would have been sufficient to galvanize a viable response from “the people” who outnumber the Daesh fighters – IF they really cared that much about and wished to remain in their country.
If Daesh are believers in the new Caliphate and the migrants are not, who are those citizens who didn’t leave and why are they worth saving? Will it take a Horoshima-like response to end Daesh and should it matter? Will there be other options?
We should never fear Daesh and be prepared to make any terrorist pay the utter farthing for any attempt on our military servicemen. I served in the military and might be on that list. If someone tries their Daesh assassination on me, only one of us will walk again.
Hey all JWs lets keep it clean—scum talk not needed—just facts. peace to all and robert, pam—be vigilant and keep a keen sword
Davidsays
Soldiers are not polite “libertyphobic” I say he is damn well clean in my opinion. War is hell. We are at war! Liberty Rick you are music to my ears! Fix bayonets!!
David
William Shackelfordsays
President Obama, at least as I read him, is not really a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim for that matter. He tries to be all things to all people, but in reality, he does not believe in any form of superstition-based religion. I wish he had the courage to admit that he is a part of growing segment of people who reject anything supernatural or surreal. The truth be known; Barak Obama is a common-sense atheist. (Me too)
Angemon says
I know that some elements in American society would do so, despite most of them being hardcore atheists, if the people threatening to launch terror attacks were “right-wing extremists” or “Christian extremists”.
Mo says
@ Angemon
“I know that some elements in American society would do so, despite most of them being hardcore atheists, if the people threatening to launch terror attacks were “right-wing extremists” or “Christian extremists”.”
Oh, of course. It’s astounding to me how I always come across atheists on the internet complaining about Christianity (and spouting off falsehoods about it) and at the same time they bend over backwards to defend Islam! It just leaves you stunned when you see it.
Then, when you call them on it, they just call you more names and/or spew profanity at you and then disappear. Never once have I see an atheist address this strange contradiction. Never.
JerryS says
I agree. An athiest complaining about Islam is what I would like to see. But Athiest isn’t the point…Liberal is the point.
AmericanAtheist says
I’m an Atheist, and, while I find Christianity to be just as false as Islam (that is, both are completely unbelievable), obviously Islam is a far greater problem in the modern world than is Christianity. The notion that people (like us) who criticize Islam are Islamophobic is just a leftist ploy to try to silence perfectly legitimate criticism of Islam (and criticism of Muslims). It’s unbelievable that the leftist apologists for Islam claim to champion gay rights, womens rights, and equality for all, because the very Islamists they defend ad nausem would slaughter them in an instant. Having attend a semi-elite institution of higher education in this country, I know (and have faced the full wrath) of the leftist, free speech hating Marxists that inhabit our universities today. The problem isn’t being an Atheist, it’s being a fascist, free-speech hating leftist.
Mark DeFord Eletion says
“Never once have I see an atheist address this strange contradiction. Never.”
You’ll see it here if you watch for it. Watch this:
I am an atheist. In the past four years or so, my thinking changed from “all religions are equally bad”, to “islam needs to be eliminated from human thought.” I think I understand other atheists well enough to say this: Most atheists, when they see religion, they see a pile of harmful nonsense, which they try their best to ignore. Because christianity is the predominant religion in the west, most western atheists have been exposed to it enough to understand it fairly well. They tend to be less knowledgeable regarding islam, because they have been exposed to it less.
Once an atheist begins to learn about the real islam (from reading Spencer’s work, for example) he or she will begin to see why islam is so much more evil.
When a christian complains about islam, it can be taken as petty bickering based on simple religious differences. When an atheist speaks against islam, people may be more willing to listen.
It does not serve you well to speak against atheists, because they can be your best friend.
fudge says
all to true
Aussie Infidel says
Whenever there is some new atrocity or call for a jihad attack, the Atheist bashers come out of the woodwork! Neither Robert nor Pamella (both of whom I have met and spoke with, and respect) ever make these types of derogatory comments. Why should you?
Admittedly, there are some so-called Atheists in Western countries who side with the Muslims, often because of ostracism by bigoted Christians. However, most of them are motivated by leftist politics – not religion. But ironically, there are also just as many Christians and Jews out there, who (largely out of ignorance) also aid and abet our enemies. I know many of them personally, and even have some in my own family.
I’ve been a member of Atheist and Humanist societies for over 50 years, and no one is more anti-Muslim than me. I’ve been fighting this fight for decades – long before most Westerners had heard of the words ‘Islam’ or ‘Muslim’. Contrary to your claim, I’ve found that most Atheists are against Islam – it is after all, just another supernatural belief system. Nevertheless, I’ve also been branded a ‘racist’, a ‘bigot’ and an ‘Islamophobe’ by so-called atheist friends, who are simply just leftist ideologues. So in that respect, hard-core religionists are not alone – but you need to get your facts right and temper your accusations.
These continual superficial jibes say more about the rigid mindsets of our accusers than the atheists they condemn – or the fanaticism of devout Muslim jihadists, who they should be condemning! I’ve just returned from a pilgrimage to your 9/11 memorial in New York, where 11 Australians also died. When was the last time you saw Atheists fly planes into buildings? When have you seen Atheists blown themselves up in suicide attacks? When did you last see atheists shoot up a military base, screaming “Allahu akbar!” And if they ever did, it’s much more likely they’d be singing the ‘Red Flag’ and carrying Marxist slogans. Don’t continually attack Atheists! Lay the blame where it is due – fairly and squarely at the racist and violent verses in the Qur’an, its militant mullahs and imams in their mosques, and its legions of fanatical would-be jihadists.
Wake up to the fact that the anti-Islam movement consists of people of all religious persuasions – AND NONE! We all need each other in this battle with our common enemy – not infighting amongst ourselves. Read Pam Geller’s ‘Stop the Islamization of America’. Go to their meetings and learn more about the enemy and their tactics. Go out and confront these malicious bastards on the street; or write letters to your Congressman; or join an Anti-Islam political party – or start one (such a party is launching in Australia next month). But don’t just sit there and bitch about Atheists. We are not your enemy in this war! Fight against the real enemy – Islam, and its Marxist enablers – not Atheists! Any disagreements we might have can wait until the fight with Islam is over. If we can’t do that, we will all lose – and both Atheism and Christianity will disappear from the face of the Earth.
Angemon says
Aussie Infidel, I said “some elements, most of them hardcore atheists”, not “all atheists” or even “most atheists”. It’s satire – atheists praying.
sidney penny says
Hi Robert
Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you..
So you might have explained what dua is.
Part of worship or prayer?
Asking God/Allah to do something for you?
CogitoErgoSum says
In this case I would say it could be defined as invoking the powers of Satan (under the guise of Allah) and offering your soul up as a vessel for pure evil in order to overcome any moral reservations you may have about committing the most heinous of crimes toward your fellow man.
Noor says
Dual is supplication to Allah. Basically it is asking Allah for something as opposed to the 5 obligatory ritual prayers prayed daily by Muslims. Those 5 are merely to worship Allah.
Noor says
Dua not dual, sorry. Autocorrect.
Katnis says
Feeling grateful that our forefathers had the insight to give us the right to bear arms. If you attack a soldier’s home, rest assured that his family… and neighbors… and every American will fight back.
Now show your face, you coward.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Amen Kat! And they are cowards-they don’t want to live; they hate their lives, and who can blame them, given the godforsaken nature of islamic ‘life’.
So when they die, they’re not brave. And they always, always choose soft targets, you notice? Even when they counter our military heroes: They’re high as kites on drugs. They all take drugs-that’s their ‘life’.
I pray for a president who’ll unleash us, w/o psycho ROE’s, on this infernal enemy. We can mop this up very quickly.
usmcwarrior says
Amen. And they should know that there are multiple millions of us who have already been tested in war, and know this current enemy.
Should they strike, and should we defend, on US soil, by God’s Providence, they should know they will find themselves in eternity facing the Demon who spawned them – sooner than they expected….
David says
Hello USMC Warrior,
I support you 100 percent. I am retired navy and hate muzzies. I will be right next to you fixing bayonets if we have to.
David
Charli Main says
@ katnis
I wonder how many American anti-Jihadists remember this historical quote.
YOU CANNOT INVADE THE MAINLAND UNITED STATES. THERE WOULD BE A RIFLE BEHIND EVERY BLADE OF GRASS.
ADMIRAL ISOROKU YAMAMOTO.
Take heart Katnis. As long as there is an American that can hold a rifle, the fight against the Muslim invaders, won´t be over.
Mark DeFord Eletion says
“Feeling grateful that our forefathers had the insight to give us the right to bear arms.”
They didn’t give us that right. Self defense is an inherent right we have as living creatures – one of the most important rights we can have.
Governments often try to take that right away, under the pretense that whatever limited protection they can provide will be enough. It rarely is. When seconds count, government services are only minutes away.
Alex says
What a bunch of cowards! I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!
ferris says
sorry but obama will not fight his own people you idiot when you going to wake up to realize your muslim president obama who brought them here in the first place you jack ass ?
David says
Just think of all the people of his color that think he is the best “prezzident” we have ever had!
He is a muzzie!
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
You’re kidding, right?
Should anyone in the USA shoot and kill jihadis trying to kill us? Obama will have a plan alright! And it’ll be, ‘Sic the DOJ on those right-wing zealots! Defend the multiculturalism of jihad!’
And you can take that to the bank.
Mo says
@ Kathy Brown, Esq.
“Should anyone in the USA shoot and kill jihadis trying to kill us? Obama will have a plan alright! And it’ll be, ‘Sic the DOJ on those right-wing zealots! Defend the multiculturalism of jihad!’ ”
Absolutely right. He’s demonstrated time and time again that he is always on the side of Muslims in general, jihadis, and other criminals. He always chooses that which is evil over that which is good. You can count on it as sure as you can count on the sun rising each morning.
And STILL people support him. I saw some young guy on the train yesterday with a t-shirt that had that well known photo of a young Barry smoking.
This one:
http://theliepolitic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/barack-obama-smoking.jpg
Davegreybeard says
@Alex
“I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!”
Obama is one with the Jihadis, Alex.
Obama wishes to enslave the white population in retaliation for the black slavery of old.
Obama is a black supremacist, a Muslim sympathizer if not a Muslim, outright.
Once you grasp this fact, many things will become clear.
Mo says
@ Alex
“What a bunch of cowards! I hope Obama has a plan to counter these jihadis fast!!!”
You’re being sarcastic or joking, right?
Shmooviyet says
Alex forgot to hit the sarc/on…. didn’t he?
Westman says
The cowards coming to Europe wouldn’t fight to save their country from Daesh because Islam forbids any allegiance superseding Islam or it’s real Caliphate. They have never been patriots. Why the US thought it could create an opposition army from non-patriots defies common sense. They were there for the paycheck.
Since Daesh is a usurping pseudo-Caliphate one would think that would have been sufficient to galvanize a viable response from “the people” who outnumber the Daesh fighters – IF they really cared that much about and wished to remain in their country.
If Daesh are believers in the new Caliphate and the migrants are not, who are those citizens who didn’t leave and why are they worth saving? Will it take a Horoshima-like response to end Daesh and should it matter? Will there be other options?
We should never fear Daesh and be prepared to make any terrorist pay the utter farthing for any attempt on our military servicemen. I served in the military and might be on that list. If someone tries their Daesh assassination on me, only one of us will walk again.
libertyphobic says
Hey all JWs lets keep it clean—scum talk not needed—just facts. peace to all and robert, pam—be vigilant and keep a keen sword
David says
Soldiers are not polite “libertyphobic” I say he is damn well clean in my opinion. War is hell. We are at war! Liberty Rick you are music to my ears! Fix bayonets!!
David
William Shackelford says
President Obama, at least as I read him, is not really a Christian, or a Jew, or a Muslim for that matter. He tries to be all things to all people, but in reality, he does not believe in any form of superstition-based religion. I wish he had the courage to admit that he is a part of growing segment of people who reject anything supernatural or surreal. The truth be known; Barak Obama is a common-sense atheist. (Me too)