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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Should Not Be President

Sep 28, 2015 7:36 am By Andrew Harrod

“Sharia law is for Muslims. So if there is a Muslim majority state then it has to be run by Sharia,” stated basketball legend Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with surprisingly little public controversy in a September 23 interview.  This statement and other elements from Abdul-Jabbar’s biography only accentuated reservations concerning a Muslim president recently raised by Ben Carson, even as Jabbar in another interview dismissed Carson as “bigoted and irrational.”

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Although Abdul-Jabbar qualified that in America “I live in a very diverse country and I have to respect everyone else’s beliefs—the Koran says that,” his views on sharia remain troubling in light of Muslim-majority societies worldwide.  Surveying such societies, many Americans would agree with the founding father of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, who replaced sharia with European laws in his country in the 1920s.  “Islam—this theology of an immoral Arab—is a dead thing,” he stated, that “might have suited tribes in the desert.  It is no good for a modern, progressive state.”

Abdul-Jabbar, who stated that “Islam is my moral foundation,” dismissed people like Carson as being “not substantiated by anything in Islamic teachings.”  Writing about his conversion to Islam from a Catholic background, Abdul-Jabbar criticized that many around the world do not recognize the supposedly “peaceful practices of most of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.”  “Violence committed in the name of religion is never about religion,” he wrote in response to the January 7 Paris massacres of Charlie Hebdo cartoonists and others.  Such terrorists simply want “more recruits and more donations to keep their organization alive…It’s just business.”  A January 14 CNN interviewer accordingly noted Abdul-Jabbar’s objection to the phrase “Islamic terrorism” and his concern with “being careful with our language” and “our respect for other religions.”

Many examining Abdul-Jabbar’s biography might wonder how he could say in 2011 to Katie Couric that Islam “made perfect sense to me” as the “most correct” and “last revelation that the Supreme Being sent to mankind.”  His conversion narrative reads that “I used to be Lew Alcindor, the pale reflection of what white America expected of me.  Now I’m Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.”  This Arabic name means “the noble one, servant of the Almighty.”

As a UCLA freshman, Abdul-Jabbar read The Autobiography of Malcolm X and resonated with this African-American’s rejection of his Baptist upbringing and embrace of Islam.  The “more I studied history, the more disillusioned I became with the role of Christianity in subjugating my people,” Abdul-Jabbar reflected.  While “Alcindor was a French planter in the West Indies who owned my ancestors,” Abdul-Jabbar’s “forebears were Yoruba people, from present day Nigeria,” currently ravaged by Boko Haram’s jihad against Nigeria’s Christians.  Nonetheless, he considered conversion to Islam as the “manifestation of my African history, culture and beliefs” and “rejecting the religion that was foreign to my American culture.”

Under his “teacher” Hammas Abdul-Khaalis, “Islam was a joyous revelation” and Abdul-Jabbar converted in 1971 at age 24.  His “devotion to Islam was absolute” and he “even agreed to marry a woman whom Hammas suggested for me, despite my strong feelings for another woman.” Abdul-Jabbar also followed Abdul-Khaalis’ “advice not to invite my parents to the wedding—a mistake that took me more than a decade to rectify.”  Initial doubts led to disagreement with Abdul-Khaalis, but Abdul-Jabbar “traveled to Libya and Saudi Arabia to learn enough Arabic to study the Quran” and “emerged…with my beliefs clarified and my faith renewed.”

Abdul-Jabbar’s college girlfriend, actress Pam Grier, recounted a different impression of Islam in her autobiography. Seriously involved with him during his conversion, she had heated disputes with Abdul-Jabbar over women’s “submission and slavery” in Islam as he made demands such as that she veil and accept a chaperone.  He reflected upon women under Islam in his 1983 autobiography Giant Steps after his troubled marriage arranged by Hammas ended in divorce in 1977 and an another unwed Buddhist woman bore Abdul-Jabbar a child.  “It’s not easy being a Muslim woman,” he wrote, “her hair and arms and legs must be covered in public; she can’t be too aggressive; she must take care of the children.”

By contrast, Abdul-Khaalis remained violently committed to Islam. He led gunmen in a March 9, 1977, seizure in Washington, DC, of the B’nai B’rith headquarters, the Islamic Center, and a court building, taking 150 hostages and inflicting several casualties, including one death. Among other motives such as Abdul-Khaalis’ anger resulting from the 1973 Nation of Islam massacre of family members in a dwelling rented by Abdul-Jabbar, the terrorists opposed the upcoming release of Mohammed, Messenger of God. Abdul-Khaalis stated that “we will not stand for the mockery of our prophet and our Lord Allah” in a film infringing Islamic prohibitions against depicting Islam’s prophet Muhammad, sentiments foreshadowing the Charlie Hebdo attack.

Responding on April 3, 2015, to reporting over Islam’s influence upon his relationship with Grier, Abdul-Jabbar described his Muslim views moderating over time. “Given my youth and newness to the religion,” he wrote on his Facebook page, “I embraced the most orthodox teachings.” After initial conversion, “like most people, my beliefs and practices evolved over time.”

Notwithstanding such evolution, Abdul-Jabbar is indicative of precisely the concerns someone like Carson would have in mind when considering Muslims in public office. Abdul-Jabbar’s conversion involves the same skewed understanding of Islam being more authentically African than Christianity that has encouraged many African-Americans to become Muslim, although not his nemesis Carson. Yet as elsewhere in the world, Islam often spread across Africa through the holy war of jihad, and Islam’s record concerning slavery is far worse than Christianity’s.

Abdul-Jabbar’s his own life exhibits Islam’s all too common aggressive and authoritarian elements while his qualified rejection of sharia is disturbing.  Should democracies fear increasing sharia influence as Muslim populations grow? Would a President Abdul-Jabbar object to sharia human rights abuses in Muslim-majority countries? Incessant rejections of official religious tests in free societies by Abdul-Jabbar and others cannot preclude serious scrutiny of such Muslim matters.

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  1. vickie says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 7:44 am

    Catholic and Baptist?

    Writing about his conversion to Islam from a Catholic background, Jabbar criticized that many around the world do not recognize the supposedly “peaceful practices of most of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims.”

    As a UCLA freshman, Jabbar read The Autobiography of Malcolm X and resonated with this African-American’s rejection of his Baptist upbringing and embrace of Islam.

    • rev g says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 11:30 am

      Jabbar was Catholic, Malcolm X was raised Baptist. The second comment is about Malcolm’s autobiography.

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 7:09 pm

        Two very sick people

  2. underbed cat says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:01 am

    Just remember there are more non peaceful verses in the book, verses that allow lying to spread the ideology, a massive network of organizations that support the lying and support the non peaceful jihad (slaying the infidels, smite them ..)
    ….and the concept of aborogation ( replacing earlier verses with later verses from medina)in the k book.
    One could argue as many do, none of this exists, but this is following the commands to decieve to implement.

    Once the double speak is exposed, talking to the media (deception) and talking to the one another of (what is to be hidden) is highly successful too to avoid detection.

    • George McADOO says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 1:23 pm

      The only good sharia is NO sharia. The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 2:28 pm

        The Counter-Jihad should not condone genocide, which George McADOO’s second sentence clearly implies.

        • jayell says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 3:54 pm

          “The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.” – condoning genocide? But surely the term ‘genocide’ normally refers to the extermination of a RACE, and Islam is normally taken to be a ‘religion’ (of sorts!). In any case, don’t we frequently hear muslims proclaiming that they all desire death, so surely the nearer they are to that condition, the better they are?

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 4:01 pm

          The point is, the Counter-Jihad does not speak of all Muslims being the problem. There is a way to speak of all Muslims being the problem, without advocating the death of all Muslims (e.g., deporting them: Operation Buh-Bye, also known as Operation Don’t Let The Door Hit You On Your Way Out, also known as Operation Thanks For the Memories, Now GTFO).

        • Angemon says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 7:12 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “deporting them: Operation Buh-Bye, also known as Operation Don’t Let The Door Hit You On Your Way Out, also known as Operation Thanks For the Memories, Now GTFO”

          Sounds like a plan, and if you can adequately answer these questions I’ll start a “Voeg4President” campaign:

          1 – On what grounds would you deport muslims without going against existing laws and Constitution?

          2 – Where would you deport native citizens to?

          3 – How do you propose to distinguish muslims from non-muslims?

          4 – What of ex-muslims? Can we trust them or should we assume that they left islam to act as sleeper cells, gaining in the confidence of the kuffar, smiling in their faces while cursing them in their hearts, all along waiting for the day the phone rings and they’re allowed to stab the “Softies” in the back?

          Go on – I can’t wait to hear your plan. It has to be good, seeing how you are placing it alongside genocide – you know, “Better Cop” style in what is not totally an “Erroneous Either/Or”.

        • George McADOO says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 6:18 pm

          Can you name one Muslim who is faithful to his so called “religion” who is not duty bound by the teachings of Islam to commit genocide? When the war for survival is fought in America, and the stage is being set for that war by Barack Hussein Obama, all who participate in the defense of freedom and life itself, should prepare themselves for the fact that if one is left alive the threat of Islam again rising someday to threaten freedom will abide in those so spared.

  3. epistemology says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:11 am

    Jabbar should play basketball and not talk about history, religion and philosophy, as he’s totally clueless concerning these topics, as muzzies usually are.

    I have a lot of African friends from different countries and none of them likes Islam. When my Nigerian friend and I were watching the abducted girls story on CNN, he was shaking. He knows how bad Islam is. Islam made Jabbar stupid or he was stupid before and that’s why he converted

    • umbra says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 10:32 am

      Some degree of stupidity is necessary in order to follow islam. Once inside the ROP fold, stupidity becomes a linear (or perhaps an exponential?) function of devotion.

      • sinantara says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 9:13 pm

        About PC MC stupidity, it is institutional. I was for a while at a liberal college in the US and was always amazed about how the efforts of being PC MC would led academics to be unacademic. Islam was not the issue at that time, but race, gender and sexual orientation were and status came with communal victimhood. So a Philipino who had came to the US with the corrupt Marcos entourage joined an occupation of the campus to protest against racism because a black professor was not given tenure, and he also protested the legitimacy of white police officers to act against non whites. The daughter of a rich Ethiopian diplomat and the son of a rich Nigerian professor in African poetry, although involved in the occupation, trashed the house of a white professor who had who had lend them her house and then did not dare to protest because she was afraid of being called racist. Later she converted to Islam and then at last she could join the victimhood elite and be more self confident. Girls declared themselves lesbian while they were not but then they could enjoy coming out of the closet welcome. There was one genuine gay, a nice guy actually who accepted his popularity as a given. Black professors complained about discrimination but had to think up cases like a white cop giving them the look. A Thai student was the token Asian (I being Eurasian and silent was passing for a normal and therefore uninteresting Latino). It was always about victimhood, a experienced as a collective–individuality or individual experience submerged.

        I sat in a black studies class for a while out of honest curiosity. It was again about victimhood. Girls wrote papers on how house slaves were not better off than field slaves because they had to live in close proximity with their white masters which was a mental torture. And they were raped. It was also at the time that the ancient Egyptians were considered to be black and the Greeks had all their wisdom from these black Egyptians.

        When the LA riots happened because of the beatings, there were teach ins, all dedicated to apologizing for the rioters who had been victims of racism all the time, and the looters where just enforcing their rights on diapers for their babies.

        Then came Ramzy Youssef, and the now it was the turn of the Muslim students to come forward in defense of his victimhood, the poor man was framed and if he had done it, he only had done it because he was a victim, and the mental collectivism prevailing made this argument very logical. There is always a Muslim being oppressed somewhere, by structural violence perpetrated by colonialist and imperialist forces which are identical with the west in general and the US in particular. So every Muslim who explodes a bbomb is motivated by the victimhood of his fellow Muslims and calling him a terrorist is denial of this collective victimhood and therefore racist. This was the most puzzling to me, the collectivist mind set that allows a privileged individual to consider him/herself a victim based upon membership of a group, very very widely defined–like “non white”.

        This view led sometimes to confusion. Were Korean shop keepers shooting at black looters acting white or were the black looters at fault for trying to loot non whites, and if this was an issue, should racism be redefined? Sometimes it because hilarious, some Cambodians ate a dog, and a heated debate erupted about whose rights should be given precedence, the cultural rights of Cambodians or the rights of dogs not to be eaten.
        ,
        This mind set I believe has prepared the way for accusations of Islamophobia, as a conditioned reflex against any (perceived) attack on any group not representing the (perceived) majority. What Islam is is not important. Muslims are a minority. Muslims are mostly people of color (by applying race to Islam one also solves the white non white problem, like the Nazis did with the Japanese, making them honorary Aryans. A white Muslim is something like a honorary person of color).

        My point, if stupidity is taught at academia by and for academics, albeit motivated by idealism, stupidity is institutionalized and we have a problem, leading to a view that if the truth is not PC then the truth is not true. Whereas PC is reduced to a simple bipolarity, on one side we have the establishment of western white christian and heterosexual males, on the other side we have everybody else, the victims of the former.

        • umbra says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 6:14 am

          Stupidity is not exactly taught, but gained through indoctrination by pounding it into minds of fools. People generally do not learn to be stupid, but decide to be stupid through their own poor choices/judgements as evident by their actions. Regardless, stupidity arises when common sense is thrown out the window. In academia, there is also the added dimension of job security/opportunity for those who spew or allow PC. Those who do not tow the line are bullied (school yard style, but carried out by supposed adults).

          The west is suffering from a severe dose of cultural relativism that has dulled much of the common sense in its populace. This in turn has made the west docile and particularly crippled when it comes to holding on to its own cultural identity and values, must less preserving it. Food for thought, dilution of cultural identity or values is not a problem is east Asia (China, Japan, Korea). A generations from now, China will still be culturally Chinese, Japan will still be culturally Japanese and Korea with still be culturally Korean. Could the same be said of western countries. Would Europe be European? It seems that with present population trends, some parts of Europe may become Africa, middle east, the subcontinent (the crappy part thereof) or combinations of all above in generations to come.

  4. Rev g says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:40 am

    Jabbar is a fool. It seems that having been duped into conversion, be refuses to see the truths so readily evident. Denial is powerful.
    Granted, eve. Krauthammer took Carson to task, in a convoluted manner of thinking. While defending the first amendment, he attacked based on the religious test concept. He admitted that Carson did not call for a religious test for office, but chided that the Constitution tells us how we should think?
    Senility perhaps?

    • umbra says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 10:36 am

      Not just denial, but also vanity and pride. There are those who could not see their own errors (vain) and then there are those who refuse to admit their errors much less correct them (pride).

  5. celticwarriorcanada says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:46 am

    Well one thing Bruce taught us Kareem : Muslims are inferior Martial Artists , To bad the world remembers you getting your ass kicked by a short 130 pound Chinaman .I bet that irritates your stinking muslim pride ! Hay big boy!

  6. Angemon says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 10:09 am

    As a UCLA freshman, Jabbar read The Autobiography of Malcolm X and resonated with this African-American’s rejection of his Baptist upbringing and embrace of Islam. The “more I studied history, the more disillusioned I became with the role of Christianity in subjugating my people,” Jabbar reflected.

    A convert to islam is a fool. A black convert is twice the fool. A black who converts to spite whites is thrice the fool. And a black who converts because of the association between slavery and Christianity is not just four times the fool, he’s an ignorant fool.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 1:01 pm

      Five stars.
      Thank You.

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 6:32 pm

      5 stars from me, too.

    • Wellington says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 9:29 pm

      Well said, Angemon. The last people who should be Muslim are blacks since 1) Islam’s engaging in black slavery began far earlier and continued later than the Western world’s engagement in it; and 2) unlike the Western world which has profusely apologized for black slavery, the Islamic world never has.

  7. Isabellathecrusader says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:32 am

    As a Muslim Kareem has to be a) stupid or b) lying to say that Islam is a peaceful religion. He, along with the rest of us, has ample proof from the text of his Qu’ran to the speeches that Imams who promote his religion give to the DAILY news stories about Muslims behaving badly that we all hear now. I think he is a salad bar Muslim. He picks and chooses what he will follow. I don’t see a zabiba on his forehead so I doubt he bangs his head on the ground five tines a day. He is a rich, famous athlete. You know he does not see himself as one of the unwashed masses of Muslims. He’s one of the elite! He’s above it and probably identifies as a Muslim because he thinks it’s cool. The Malcom X connection and all that.

    Okay, so if the Muslims become a majority then they get to establish Sharia law according to Kareem, right? So since everybody else is going to have to live (or die) under it, why don’t we ask people which system they prefer. I mean, Islam is peaceful, right? Surely Kareem can have to problem with a comparative analysis between a system that was established by Christianity and one that was established by Islam. Let’s do something like:

    What Christians believe

    What Muslims believe

    What Americans who follow separation of church and state believe

    Then everyone can choose what they like and we can develop a foreign policy based on what the people who live under a government by the people and for the people really want. But first you have to pass a test on what Sharia law really is. No getting a pass just because you said something stupid on Watter’s World.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 9:26 pm

      “What Americans who follow separation of church and state believe”

      They believe a lie. There is NO separation of church in state in your constitution. None at all. It is a myth, a fraud, a manipulation of people who were victims of a pathetic school system, and did not check it out for themselves.

      The only reference to church and state in your constitution, is the protection of churches from the state, and a prohibition against the federal government from favouring and enforcing any religion…..There is NOTHING, but NOTHING, to prevent the faithful of a church from trying to influence the laws of their own city,state or federal governments.

      And those who call islam (RTC) a religion, believe an even bigger lie.

  8. Cunamarra says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:46 am

    As I’ve studied histories written at about or near the time of the events recorded, I am ever more puzzled by Americans who see Islam as “more” African. Slave narratives describe, and often with bitter resentment, the religion of the Masters. While hating and condemning Christianity, the authors still recognize the hypocritical aspect of their masters behavior with respect to Christian teachings.

    You will not find this sentiment alluded to in any modern history or textbook, but for years now, and with each additional book I read about the Mediterranean or African cultures I deem this thought further vindicated, I have been convinced that the reason Africa as a continent is so far behind other peoples and regions is because of Islam.

    In the ancient world Northern Europe was separated from the Mediterranean cultures by mountains while Sub-Sahara Africa was isolated from those cultures by desert. Ancient writers describe the Celtic and Germanic tribes as being rife with inter and intra tribal warfare. They are described as head hunters, practicing human sacrifice, practicing cannibalism, and enslaving each other. Now it took it hundreds of years, and must have been taught in a limited form, but the bare essentials of “don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder, do forgive, do love, do unto others…” Christianity transformed that society and had a civilizing effect on those utterly barbaric peoples.

    The Mediterranean region was Thoroughly Christian by the fifth century. Why did Christianity along with Greek, Egyptian, and Roman ideas and philosophy not spread to Sub Sahara Africa as it did into Northern Europe? Ethiopia and Egypt were ancient Christian kingdoms. Of course, in the seventh century Islam destroyed Christianity in North Africa where it would survive in beleaguered pockets in Ethiopia and Egypt.

    If you were or not Muslim, you don’t travel or trade through Islamic territory without being attacked. For fourteen centuries Islam effectively isolated Africa from trade with Europe, and the Far East. What it brought to Sub Sarah Africa was the dystopic tyranny of Islam on it’s northern frontier and the slave trade. Slavers do not settle on the old but take the young, healthy, most vibrant part of the victim population. It is equivalent to being at war for fourteen centuries. What might Africa have been with its vast natural and human recourses had Christianity been allowed to spread to Africa and open it to the notions of Rights and the exchange of ideas with the rest of the world.

    Guilty as the Christian cultures were of their own involvement in slavery, the abolition of slavery came from within Christian ideology.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 11:54 am

      Now it took it hundreds of years, and must have been taught in a limited form, but the bare essentials of “don’t steal, don’t lie, don’t murder, do forgive, do love, do unto others…” Christianity transformed that society and had a civilizing effect on those utterly barbaric peoples.

      Thank God that Moses carried the Ten Commandments from the mountain. Literally.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 2:44 pm

      Yes, Islam ruined Africa, transformed it into the perpetually dysfunctional patchwork of tribes (corralled into nation-states by Western Colonialism) it remains. The West through its Colonialism tried to ameliorate this, but the problems caused by Islam proved intractable — particularly when Islam tended to fuel anti-Colonialist sentiment & jihads (then the evil Communists during the post-Colonial order trying to fan the flames of global revolution in the 3rd World didn’t help matters).

      “For fourteen centuries Islam effectively isolated Africa from trade with Europe, ”

      Not only that; as historian Henri Pirenne noted, Muslims through their hostile piracy and plunder of coastlines the precious Mediterranean — which had been a multicultural conduit and economic bridge between cultures for centuries — into a hostile wall, and kept it that way for over a motherfucking millennium A silver lining to this disastrous stalemate caused by Mohammedans was that it forced the ever ingenious West to seek other ways to get to the Far East for trade, leading to progress in naval technology and eventually to trans-oceanic exploration. It is not merely a felicitous coicindence that 1492 is the famous date when Columbus discovered America — but also the hallowed date when a coalition of Europeans helped finally defeat the Islamic occupation of Spain.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 2:46 pm

        “Muslims through their hostile piracy and plunder of coastlines the precious Mediterranean”

        I neglected to type a “turned” or “transformed” in there. CURSES ON THIS DRAFT TYPE BOX !!! with its ghostly grey font you can barely see, and its placement at the bottom of the screen obscured by those maddening, mercenary advertisement boxes leading to Facebook, Twitter, “digg”, et fucking cetera, boxes that don’t move out of the fucking way forcing you to have to hit carriage returns just so you can see your own fucking typing…!!! I’m all verklempt…

      • Angemon says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 6:34 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “but also the hallowed date when a coalition of Europeans helped finally defeat the Islamic occupation of Spain.”

        You mean when Spaniards expelled the Moors from the few lands they still held in the Iberian Peninsula – muslims were still allowed to live in recently formed Spain until their expulsion early on the 17th century (also, 1492 is the year when Jews were expelled from Spain as well).

        You should read a history book or two on the subject – you know, to learn about the “boring” “details”.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 2:59 am

          Angemon, I don’t believe anything Voegelinian said here was incorrect. 1492 *did* mark the end of the Muslim occupation of Spain–something the brave Iberians had been fighting for over the previous several centuries.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 4:42 am

          It is, GI. If not, tell me:

          a) which battle, in 1492, marked the alleged defeat he mentions

          b) which European nations were part of the alleged coalition he mentions

          c) when was Spain formed

        • Angemon says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 4:47 am

          Also, GI, as I noted, muslims remained in Spain until the expulsion of the moriscos in the early 17th century. Where did they live in the between?

    • mahghan says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      Long but ignorant comment. The Sahara w as never a barrier to trans-Saharan crossings. Mansa Musa king of Mali made a trans-Saharan crossing to the Hajj by way of Egypt in 1324. He went along with some 60,000 men. Songhay was defeated in 1591 at the Battle of Tondibi.

      Kano “Hausa Leather” was frequently trans shipped across the Sahara on to Europe by way of Morocco. It was called Moroccan leather when in actual fact it Hausa leather from Kano, Noirthern Nigeria.

      It is a fact though that North Africa was effectively conquered by Muslim invaders and planted Islam on that conquered territory. Subsequently Islam South with the result that most of African north of the Equator is Muslim. There was even a Caliphate in Sokoto, Nigeria. But all in all Islam has proven itself to be totally useless for Africa. A nonsense religion with no redeeming elements.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 3:00 am

        Just because Islam is useless does not mean that it isn’t malignant.

  9. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:51 am

    “It’s not easy being a Muslim woman,” he wrote, “her hair and arms and legs must be covered in public…

    I’ve always had the deepest respect for Kareem as a person, mainly because of his jump hook, which was unstoppable. Then he went all Moslem on us, and Islam is unstoppable too.

    But I must reluctantly ask of him a serious question, and I axe it reluctantly and with downcast eyes: Do Moslem women shave? No, not *that* you perverts, I mean do they shave their legs and armpits. And do they shave their backs?

  10. PRCS says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:59 am

    Jabbar, per the article:

    ““Sharia law is for Muslims. So if there is a Muslim majority state then it has to be run by Sharia,””

    1. The idea of stand alone “sharia law” is nonsense. There is shari’ah–the “straight path”; defined and limited by man made rules, and consequences, both earthly and in the hereafter, of straying from that path. The shari’ah IS Islam. A Muslim who challenges, denounces, renounces or ignores the shari’ah is–as Dr. Carson noted–a heretic and an infidel. Jabbar’s devotion to the shari’ah’s may have moderated, but Islam has not.

    2. The shari’ah applies to non-Muslims in Muslim majority states, too; those who’ve traded liberty for the “safety and protection” of dhimmitude.

    “Would a President Jabbar object to sharia human rights abuses in Muslim-majority countries?”

    3. A question so typically left unasked of Muslims who assert the “Shari’ah law” is for Muslim majority nations” obfuscation. But a more direct question for Jabbar and his tap dancing ilk is to ask them to state where on the planet its barbaric punishments are morally acceptable to them.

    That assumes, of course, that individual interviewers know what questions to ask and are willing–or are permitted by management–to do so.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 2:50 pm

      “But a more direct question for Jabbar and his tap dancing ilk is to ask them to state where on the planet its barbaric punishments are morally acceptable to them.”

      The dance goes on:

      In the news:

      “Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Sharia Law Does Not Condone Killing, Rape — ‘That’s Crazy'”

      And of course the millions of Pleasantly Correct throughout the West would nod their heads and agree; for vaguely in their minds they make the emotional connection:

      Thinking Sharia Law is evil —> Hating all Muslims.

      So naturally, they recoil semi-consciously from “going there”, and nod with passive, lazy approval when they see or hear Kareem say such things.

    • mahghan says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      It should be noted that in general–there are exceptions–Africans are very lax and liberal when it comes to Islam. In West Africa states like Senegal, Guinea, Mali, Gambia, Chad are Muslim majority countries but the legal systems are not Shariah but secular law. Senegal had a Christian President for some 20+ years–Senghor. The vast majority of women are not covered and honor killings are practically unheard of. Muslims marry Christians and there is no fuss there. But still, West African Islam is not real Islam–a totally nonsense Arab religion.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 3:12 am

        mahghan wrote:

        It should be noted that in general–there are exceptions–Africans are very lax and liberal when it comes to Islam…
        …………………………..

        Uh…right. I’m sure that includes over a thousand years of castrating and enslaving Infidels for the slave markets of the Middle East, of enslaving Christians and animists in Sudan, of Mauritania in which slaves make up 17% of the population, of Nigeria where Muslims are kidnapping and slaughtering Christians, of the violent JIhad in Mali, Somali piracy, and Jihad terror attacks in Kenya, including the infamous Westgate shopping mall attack.

        All sounds very “lax and liberal” to me…especially Boko Harem and al-Shebaab…sarc/off

  11. PRCS says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    This is a longer YouTube video of his idiotic statements to Maria Baritaromo yesterday.

  12. Shmooviyet says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 12:48 pm

    Mr. Jabbar became a muslim to throw off the “pale reflection of what white America expected” of him. He complains of his real name belonging to his ancestors’ owners. But becoming muslim fixed all that in his mind. It didn’t merely serve to make him a modern-day slave to something else. He’s escaped all that racism.
    My Mother’s West Indian; she, her family and the WI people we know are PROUD of their heritage and LOVE the islands of their ancestors. No ancient chips on the shoulders. They wouldn’t consider succumbing to the slavish idiocy of islam because of some African connection.
    He comes across as offensive, uneducated about slavery, and as has been stated here, a true FOOL.

  13. Edward says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 12:53 pm

    We should ban stupidity in America and also turnoff their light , the limelight that emboldens stupid people!

    They earned the stupid label by their own stupidity…”stupid is as stupid does”!

    America should start a lasting moratorium against stupid unproductive people’s shenanigans that want to abrogate the way we live and want to totally change our culture. Americans are here and here we are to stay, regardless of what they profess/say!

    The longer the moratorium stays activated the quicker the antagonist are made invisible in our American culture. America dislikes conclave builders! Who are these conclave builders, those that took part in the 911 atrocities!

    Little Confucius says:

    “Square ‘verbal plugs’ do not fit in to a round hole!”

    Verbal plugs: making continual and persistent attempts and/or demands.

  14. Kris says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 1:29 pm

    Are people worried about America becoming a majority-Muslim country? That’s the situation where Jabbar said he thought that Sharia should play a role. He said will recognize and uphold American separation of church and state. Muslims are 0.8 percent of the population, so I don’t think you need to worry about Jabbar advocating for Sharia legislation anytime soon.

    • Isabellathecrusader says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      You better worry about it every day of your life hon and then get up and do something about it. We can’t wait until we perceive they are more than .08% of the population. The Europeans waited and they are currently under attack by an invasion of the surly dogs.

      Fifteen years ago none of us knew about a Muslim problem in this country. They were just people who practiced another religion. But when they flew those planes into the towers they declared war on the U.S. and they have been infiltrating and plotting against us ever since.

      And haven’t you noticed how Muslims have more rights in this country than you or I do? It’s because they play the victim card and use their attack machine, CAIR, to go after anyone who shines the light on their un-American behavior. You can’t say anything negative about them without being accused of something, ostracized or sued. That means we no longer have equality in this country and some backward goat herder who just got off the boat has more rights than you do. Plus, Obama wants to shove another million (or is that ten million?) down our throats and force us to make way for them, especially in the Midwest where they really don’t belong. No, no, no…dhimmitude is alive and well in the United States and coming to a cornfield near you.

  15. voegelinian says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    By the way, I wonder how many people know that in 1973, Kareem owned at least two houses, one in LA and one in the Washington DC area (Kareem was already a millionaire by then, having become such a famous basketball star in the 60s that the Harlem Globetrotters offered him a million dollar contract which he refused for a better one by the Milwaukee Bucks) — and that in his Wash DC home, a whole Muslim family staying there was slaughtered by a splinter group of Muslims (described by the press as “Black Muslims” — possibly Nation of Islam).

    “In 1973 the Black Muslim-Hanafi dispute boiled over into an appallingly grisly deed. Seven killers who were Black Muslims broke into the Washington home of Hanafi Leader Khalifa Hamaas Abdul Khaalis. They brutally murdered five of Khaalis’ children, his nine-day-old grandson and a devoted follower.”

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,946751,00.html

    The article makes clear that the home broken into, where the massacre occurred, was owned by Kareem Abdul Jabbar; he was in L.A. when this happened, was questioned by police at the time, and was absolved of any knowledge of or complicity in it. Apparently, Kareem was — and remains? — a Muslim of the Hanafi school. Apparently, the same Hanafi sect of the victims of that massacre, and of Kareem, later in 1977 took three buildings and 150 people hostage in a siege that lasted days, with one reporter killed, and several people injured (including a young Marion Barry, who almost died from his chest wound).

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/11/AR2007031101562.html

    With this background of Islamic violence so intimately albeit indirectly connected to Kareem Abdul jabbar, the Counter-Jihad Softy explanation that he’s merely “stupid” (and therefore doesn’t know his own Islam) seems even less tenable.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      “Apparently, the same Hanafi sect of the victims of that massacre, and of Kareem, later in 1977 took three buildings and 150 people hostage in a siege”

      — the siege was in downtown Wash. D.C.

    • Andrew Harrod says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:43 pm

      The article mentions this attack in passing and links to an article on the event.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 4:12 pm

        I gave two links; the Time magazine article requires subscription to read in full.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 3:15 am

      Very disturbing–I hadn’t heard about this story.

  16. Jack Diamond says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    Kareem is a propagandist exonerating Islam and a da’wa promoter of Islam, and for the kaffir he is the dispenser of “soma” to quiet your anxieties and give you good dreams to dream (after shaming you into silence over your Islamophobic concerns, there’s only room for one victim here and Muslims have that the corner on that market).

    Kareem said in Time magazine that the Islam he knows “creates a harmonious community and promotes tolerance and friendship with those outside the religious community”; he said “knowing that these (ISIS) terrorist attacks are not about religion (‘they pervert the Qur’an through omission and false interpretation’) we have to reach a point where we stop bringing Islam into these discussions. I know we aren’t there yet because much of the Western population doesn’t understand the Islamic religion. All they see are brutal beheadings, kidnappings of young girls, bloody massacres of children at schools, and these random shootings.”

    The important thing is to “stop bringing Islam into these discussions.” Kareem is doing his job. Except,

    “It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.”

  17. R Cole says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    Kareem Abdul Jabbar hides the depths of his real beliefs behind long grass.

    He has been to a Saudi madrassa – doubtful if the teachings there were moderate.

    He’s converted to Islam for political reason based on the African Islamic lore.

    ::

    Christianity stretch from Egypt over to Morocco in North Africa – there were Tunisian and other Saints who lived in the region before Islam and it’s final word. Buried churches have been uncovered in Libya – and once Islam came into existence and the conquest reached what is now Morocco and Algeria – there were Christian Kingdoms/Kings there.

    Did the Portuguese ever believe the world was flat – unlikely [although it was PC to believe it at the time] – but once they began sailing down Africa’s Atlantic coast – they found a lucrative trade – in non-Muslim Africans – being traded for gold.

    The Arabs and converted Africans – took slaves and conquered down to where the boundary between Islam and other religions – lies today. And as they were forbidden to take Muslims slaves [converts were often set free] – needed to go further afield – to capture slaves from the Christian and Animist beliefs. Enter the Portuguese with their seafaring vessels. They were able to sail down to sub-Saharan Africa – retrieve these non-Muslim slaves and ferry them up to the conquered Muslim lands – in exchange for gold.

    It is only when the Europeans thought – hey – we could use these people for ourselves – that the transatlantic slave trade began.

    Europe’s fortified borders made taking slaves from Africa – far more attractive for the Muslim African and Arab slave traders.

    But at one stage – the North Africans managed to take a million European slaves.

    That the Arabs/African Muslims were behind the Africa slave trade – doesn’t fit with the ‘Islam as the victim’ narrative – and would undoubedly have an affect on the number of western black people possibly, even KA Jabbar converting to Islam. If they did convert – with these facts known – it would most certainly be for other reasons.

    Sadly for Jabbar it’s the Arab slave name versus the European one!!

    It demonstrates that freedom is really a state of mind!!

    See image of Islamic slave traders seated with British colonial official:
    https://themuslimissue.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/british-with-slave-trader.jpg

    http://wethepeopleocpi.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/the-arab-slave-trade-200-million-non.html

    Conquering Muslims also took untold millions of Hindus, Russians and East Europeans into slavery.

  18. Joel Knoles says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    The psycho Muslim cult could really give the Scientologists a run for the money!

    • Angemon says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 7:26 pm

      They’re worse, Joel. Scientology leaders want you to give them your money and possessions. Muslim leaders want you to risk your life to take away other people’s money and possessions. If someone who leave scientology, the church sends a brigade after them, armed with video cameras, to taunt and provoke them (stalking, hounding and harassing them, telling their friends and family they’re homosexuals or pedophiles, etc.) until they get an angry reaction from them, at which point they would edit the video as to make it seem their victims are crazy and violent and mass publicize it. If someone leaves islam, it’s the duty of any and all muslims to kill them on sight.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 3:18 am

        Agreed, Angemon. I am *no* fan of oppressive and loony Scientology, but it is nothing like sanguinary horror of Islam.

  19. Dave J says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    What is the attraction of Islam to potential recruits?

    1) You become part of a special, protected class whose demands must be accommodated and whose beliefs and actions must not be criticized. .

    2) You get to have multiple wives and girlfriends, including minors, who must not argue with you and can be beaten, enslaved, killed or divorced at will.

    3) You are entitled to as much “booty” as you can steal or seize from any infidel.

    4) You are now a “revolutionary” with a noble and all encompassing cause: The spread of Islam to every country on Earth..

    5) If you are killed in your attempts to spread this cause (or destroying any opposition to it) you will receive Martyr’s status and be rewarded with those 72 virgins plying you with wine and sex forever in Heaven.

    Not really hard to see why this cult is attractive to men of low IQ, criminals and psychopaths.

    • sinantara says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 1:50 am

      I can add, if you’re a male, your wife has no right to reject you, since then the angels will be angry with her till the morning. She has to be willing “even traveling in the saddle of a camel.”

      If you beat her up, she is not allowed to complain since she has to guard her husbands secrets, blabbing is sin.

      You can keep her home, so no need to suspect her boss.

      You can shop for a girl with no clitoris, so she’ll be safe even from the milkman.

      And if she quits? There is no alimony in sharia.

      Let’s convert, drop the feminist wives with headaches and let’t go Muslim. But don’t tell why. Just say you saw the light.

  20. Gary Veazey, Sr. says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    No one or nothing has to recognize Sharia law if the majority of a state are Muslams. Jabbar and others want to institute Saria without Democracy (just like Carson said). We vote for things in this country and no other way. Sharia is not compatible with demoncracy and our Constitution.

  21. abad says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 7:40 pm

    “The “more I studied history, the more disillusioned I became with the role of Christianity in subjugating my people,” Abdul-Jabbar reflected. ”

    Because Islam does not subjugate people, Mr Abdul-Jabbar. But then again he is just another Muslims faking knowledge of Islam. What else is new.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 8:00 pm

      “But then again he is just another Muslims faking knowledge of Islam. ”

      Or rather — another Muslim faking ignorance of Islam.

      • Isabellathecrusader says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 10:03 pm

        Also, Kareem is an athlete and one of the elite. Not too many popular, well paid and talented American basketball players (that also happen to be Muslim) have as a high a profile as he does. That makes him a useful tool for CAIR and/or the ummah.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 8:42 pm

      He began by subjugating Lew Alcindor and enslaving himself in the creed of the worst and
      cruelest enslavers of his ancestors, a creed that upholds slavery in its legal codes and example of its prophet and unholy Koran. This is where he found pride. Free Lew Alcindor.

  22. Georg says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    Somebody needs to look up what the word “abd” means in Arabic.

    Then somebody needs to see what word is used to refer to blacks in Arabic.

    And somebody needs to consider the Arab slave trade and its consequences for “his people”.

  23. Screeminmeeme says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 9:48 am

    ” The “more I studied history, the more disillusioned I became with the role of Christianity in subjugating my people,” Abdul-Jabbar reflected. ”

    Maybe Kareem studied the distorted, redacted accounts which are taught as history in schools across this country. Maybe Kareem should have done a little homework about this ”’subjugation” of his people thing and how Islam still controls the world’s slave trade and is responsible for the enslavement of tens of thousands of ”Kareem’s people” in Africa. Maybe Kareem should have studied about the abolitionist movement and how it was Christians who led it.

    He rejected the Gospel of Christ…….and the REAL Prince of Peace who is the Incarnate Truth……. in order to ”subjugate” himself to the ”father of lies”, Satan, whose brainchild Islam is. A pity.

  24. duh_swami says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 10:25 am

    Screw Gabriel and the mother ship she descended from…Anyone who believes Allah is God is a damn fool and can’t be trusted…

  25. TheBuffster says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 11:21 am

    “The “more I studied history, the more disillusioned I became with the role of Christianity in subjugating my people,”

    How about the role of Christianity in freeing your people, Kareem? It was a handful of Quakers and Anglicans in England that got the ball rolling, spending decades of their lives struggling to try to convince their countrymen to stop the slave trade. Their efforts eventually succeeded in convincing Christian Britain to do just that, and Britain set off on a mission to stop slavery throughout the British Empire.

    In the USA, there were Christian abolitionists, who based their anti-slavery sentiments on their interpretation of their religion. And a massive, bloody civil war was fought between white Christians largely over the issue of the South wanting to secede from the Union because they wanted slavery to be spread to US territories instead of being contained in the present slave states, and the non-slave states rejected that.

    Kareem thinks Islam is great because anyone of any race can become a Muslim? ANd they mingle together? Well, anyone can become a Christian, too. And I’ve heard stories from people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali regarding how black Muslims are looked down on by Arabs in some Muslim societies. In Saudi Arabia blacks were called ” ‘Abd” or “slave”.

    But under Islam any unbeliever captured in war can become a slave, regardless of race, as well. So does Kareem Abdul Jabbar believe that as long as slavery isn’t on a racial basis, but only on a believer/unbeliever basis that it’s somehow better?

    This is a guy who hasn’t done a lot of thinking or historical exploring.

  26. Truth says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 11:46 am

    Did Muslims teach Europeans how to take slaves from Africa? Did Muslims take far more black African slaves than Europeans? Are Muslims still taking 1000’s of black slaves from Africa (Sudan) today?

    • George McADOO says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 1:40 pm

      Not only in Sudan. Black African Muslims in Nigeria are taking black Africans into slavery and killing black African non-Muslims just because they are not Muslims. And as far as I know, the US State Department has still not designated Boko Haram a terrorist organization.

      All the things we know of as evil and downright unclean are staples of Islam. And something that is very disturbing is the involvement of the Clinton Foundation and the Obama Administration, along with the Russian government, supplying uranium and nuclear technology to the likes of North Korea, China and Iran.

  27. gravenimage says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 3:44 am

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Should Not Be President
    ……………….

    Indeed not. He has repeatedly claimed that violent Jihad has nothing to do with Islam. He disingenuously claims its all about money–but doesn’t explain why if this is so you don’t find the same sort of motivation among Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, or Buddhists.

    He claims Jihad terror “brings in donations”–but doesn’t explain why pious Muslims would be apt to send violent Jihadists money, if not that they support such violence on ideological grounds.

    And he makes the usual claim that poverty causes Jihad terrorism–again, without answering why poor nations like Haiti and Nepal don’t breed terrorism.

    Jabbar also believes in polygamy and women being completely covered. Here’s the story of how he humiliated and abused Pam Grier until she decided not to put up with this Muslim crap any more:

    “Oppressive View of Women Came With Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s Islam Conversion”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/04/03/oppressive-view-of-women-came-with-kareem-abdul-jabbars-islam-conversion/

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