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Malaysia Muslim leader: Liberalism must submit to Islam

Sep 19, 2015 10:01 am By Robert Spencer

“Liberalism can live hand-in-hand with faith, only if it’s willing to live under an Islamic system. If liberalism tries to redefine or reform Islam following the demands of liberal basis, that maybe can never be accepted by Islam.” At a time when Western leaders are staking the futures of their countries on the ability of Islam to liberalize and reform, they should pay very close attention to that statement.

In any case, their response to the jihad attack on our free speech event last May in Garland, Texas shows that liberals are willing to submit to Islam readily enough.

Abdullah Zaik Abd Rahman

“Liberalism must submit to Islam to co-exist, says Isma,” by Zurairi Ar, Malay Mail Online, September 19, 2015 (thanks to The Religion of Peace):

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 19 ― Islamist group Ikatan Muslimin Malaysia (Isma) said today that liberalism can only co-exist with Islam if it is willing to submit to an Islamic system, as the ideology is a malleable man-made system compared to a religion that is bestowed by God.

Speaking in a forum on liberalism and faith, Isma president Abdullah Zaik Abd Rahman said Islam cannot be reformed or amended by any parties, chiding so-called “liberal Muslim” for using Western philosophies born of “dark ages” in doing so.

“Liberalism can live hand-in-hand with faith, only if it’s willing to live under an Islamic system,” Abdullah said in the Liberalism Conference held by think-tank Institute for Democracy and Economic Affairs (IDEAS).

“If liberalism tries to redefine or reform Islam following the demands of liberal basis, that maybe can never be accepted by Islam.”

Abdullah had equated liberalism to religious pluralism, saying the ideology was borne out of the ancient “dark ages” in the Western world, in response to the domination of the Church.

In response, Dr Patricia Martinez from the Christian Federation of Malaysia (CFM) — which represents over 90 per cent of the churches in the country — chided Abdullah Zaik for lumping liberalism together with Christianity and Judaism as scapegoats.

She also took issue with the insistence of several state Islamic religious authorities that there is a liberal-Christian agenda to corrupt Muslims during Valentine’s Day, and the recent claim that whistleblower site Sarawak Report is part of an alleged Jewish-Christian agenda.

“These are very serious accusations against us. We are Malaysian citizens too,” said the CFM executive council member.

Last year, Isma had organised a closed-door multi-national seminar on tackling the alleged threat of liberalism, where Abdullah accused proponents of civil rights and liberties for championing their causes only for the sake of challenging religious values.

The group had last year stepped up its attack against what it called “liberalism” movement, saying Malaysians must stop the country from becoming a “liberal democratic” nation, alleging that it is a plot by the so-called global Zionist movement.

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  1. Angemon says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 10:20 am

    “Liberalism can live hand-in-hand with faith, only if it’s willing to live under an Islamic system,” Abdullah said in the Liberalism Conference held by think-tank Institute for Democracy and Economic Affairs (IDEAS).

    Same as Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, etc., under islamic rule throughout history- you either accept second-class status and being at the will of the whims of a muslim ruler or you get the pointy end of the sword.

    The group had last year stepped up its attack against what it called “liberalism” movement, saying Malaysians must stop the country from becoming a “liberal democratic” nation, alleging that it is a plot by the so-called global Zionist movement.

    To be honest, what isn’t considered a Zionist conspiracy” by devout muslims?

    • katherine says

      Sep 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

      What sort of doublespeak is this? Submitting liberalism to Islam simply means the removal of Liberalism as THEY understand it. They are referring not to democracy or freedom of thinking but to abnormalities like same-sex marriage and transexuality and believing in other Gods or other non-Arabic lifestyles – the listeners really need to understand the deceptions in his statement.

  2. john spielman says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 10:22 am

    ” islam cannot be reformed..” NEVER was a truer statement made by anyone! islam is a fascist criminal apartheid system that cannot be accommodated in any manner. It must be utterly DESTROYED. and can be- by speaking the truth unapologetically about it.
    Robert should send this article to Nancy Pelosi and the San Francisco city council

    • Voytek Gagalka says

      Sep 19, 2015 at 12:22 pm

      …but don’t hold your breath, John, that they will ever respond to it with anything but their usual “islamophobia” mantra. And me thinks that they will not even read it after learning the source.

  3. ECAW says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 10:29 am

    Liberalism must submit to Islam.

    But it has!!!

    • Voytek Gagalka says

      Sep 19, 2015 at 12:24 pm

      Except of the fact that it ceased to exist (in classical form) for more than century now.

      • ECAW says

        Sep 19, 2015 at 12:37 pm

        Is that really so? I was under the impression that Liberalism started morphing into Progressivism, which is something like its opposite, somewhere around 30 years ago (in Britain at least). Can’t say I have much of an idea about political history though:

  4. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 10:30 am

    Liberalism must submit to Islam? This brings up an epistemological question, because there must be a limit to how much one can submit. I think what the deep thinking religious scholar Abdullah Zaik Abd Rahman is saying is that liberals must concede all government offices to be occupied by Imams or those higher up the food chain in the Ulema. I mean, look at Malaysia, *it* submitted. Here we have a southeast Asian with a full bore Arabic name, so we know that total collapse is possible anywhere anytime. That’s what he’s calling for. He should give John Kerry a jingle; John knows about the art of folding, and he may be our next president.

  5. mike says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 11:59 am

    Where is General Pershing. He knew how to handle these clowns.

    • Godwin says

      Sep 19, 2015 at 2:53 pm

      What Islam this joker is talking about when his government had given licenses to all kinds of gambling n night clubs in his country? So he is talking nuts. He never dares say his country is Islamic.

    • Mazo says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 5:07 am

      Telll me how Pershing allegedly handled “clowns”.

  6. Edward says

    Sep 19, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    “Liberalism must submit to Islam”

    What!

    In the west Islam and Liberalism are the best bedfellows.

    If they weren’t Sharia wouldn’t have a chance to take hold in the west.

    As a conservative Catholic I wish these ideologies, especially because of their convictions as human life values are concerned, they both believe that intended murder is not evil or immoral. Liberals believe that abortion is ok to maintain proper world stewardship and Islam believes that killing of an infidel is sanctioned by which Allah, by which they think their god condones it to keep its religious beliefs integrity intact. To me, its murder no matter how they define their justification to kill.

    On the other side of the morality coin, Islam and Liberalism (P/O Secularism) hate the adherents of God, the God of the 10 Commandments (God10), because we hold by our Christian convictions that we have our God10 birthrights to defend ourselves and also we don’t believe in any of their social cultures and in their religious dogmas, that we consider to be immoral.

    Sure, when we defend ourselves in mass, as in a justifiable warfare, there will be sadly unwanted infrastructure damages and killings of humans who happen to be in harm’s way. Is it justifiable? Yes our defense, not our offensive actions, will be only utilized to counter the enemy’s intent to continue our complete demise.

    Much more can be written about this social and religious divide, but it won’t be possible here in this venue!

    In conclusion, perhaps what’s been revealed by this article, it will be figured out that Liberalism has no business teaming up with Islam….. that probably causes Liberalism to rethink their posit with the Muslims……by learning that the Muslims want to be complete dominant…..saying only Islam rules the globe!

  7. Alamo47 says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:25 am

    Well, there you go. We can all live peacefully together, the muslim and the non-muslim so long as the non-muslim agrees to be controlled by the muslim. Sounds fair to me.

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