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Muslim woman reads Qur’an, leaves Islam

Sep 26, 2015 5:01 pm By Robert Spencer

“It’s about hating and killing those who disagree with Islam. It’s about conquering. Mohammed, he was immoral. He was a bloodthirsty man. He was terrible man, and Muslims can read that in his biography—what he did to Jews, how he raped women, how he killed people. I mean, he killed everyone who didn’t agree with him.” How did Mona Walter miss all the love and peace in the Qur’an and the biography of Muhammad that is so obvious to non-Muslims such as John Kerry, David Cameron, Pope Francis, the U.S. Catholic Bishops, and all the rest? How did she come to misunderstand Islam in the same way that greasy Islamophobes do — and after reading the Qur’an, that noble book of peace, no less? It’s an outrage! I trust that Bishop McManus is on his way to meet her right now (not driving, I hope), to set her straight about what Christians really ought to think about Islam — and to warn her of the ostracism and defamation that come from Christian leaders to those who dare to dissent on this point.

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“‘Islam all about hating and killing’: Muslim woman turns to Christ after reading Quran,” by Andre Mitchell, Christian Today, September 26, 2015:

Mona Walter grew up in Somalia, believing in the Islamic faith, but without actually having read the holy book of the Muslims, the Quran.

At age 19, Walter went to Sweden as a war refugee. She recalled getting excited about being in a modern European nation, primarily because finally, she will be able to read the Quran.

“I discovered Islam first in Sweden. In Somalia, you’re just a Muslim, without knowing the Quran. But then you come to Sweden and you go to mosque and there is the Quran, so you have to cover yourself and you have to be a good Muslim,” Walter shared.

Walter’s excitement, however, immediately turned into sadness and disappointment, when she began reading the Quran. She said that going over the holy book of the Muslims made her realise that Allah, the god she believed in for almost two decades of her life, is a god of hate, and that Islam is not a religion of peace.

“It’s about hating and killing those who disagree with Islam. It’s about conquering. Mohammed, he was immoral. He was a bloodthirsty man. He was terrible man, and Muslims can read that in his biography—what he did to Jews, how he raped women, how he killed people. I mean, he killed everyone who didn’t agree with him,” she explained.

Her disappointment with Islam and the Quran prompted Walter to briefly become an atheist, until she discovered another book that will change her life forever: the Holy Bible.

A family member encouraged Walter to read the Holy Scriptures. While leafing through the pages of the Bible for the first time, she read Matthew 5:44, where Jesus said: “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

Walter immediately recognised the difference between Christianity and Islam.

“It was very strange for me to ‘love your enemy,’ because in Islam it is ‘kill your enemy.’ ‘Kill your enemy and anyone who refuses Islam.’ But Jesus Christ was all about love and peace and forgiveness and tolerance, and for some reason, I needed that,” she said….

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  1. Don McKellar says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    I wonder how may Jihad Watch readers have tried actually reading the Koran?

    I wonder how many people who call themselves Muslims have actually tried reading the Koran?

    If they have tried, like I have, they will in the first case bow to Robert Spencer for reading that piece of garbage for us and pointing out what’s there with references so we can all look for ourselves rather than wading through that shit. How many “Peace be upon him” can you sit through without throwing the book into the garbage?

    As for the second group, I am almost dead certain VERY FEW of them actually have! Very few moslems have actually even read the Koran, let alone the hadiths. They leap to the defense of the religion they were born into without a clue what it’s really all about and either desperately want to believe about it, or don’t want to deal with.

    AND AS FOR THE LEFTIST RETARDS who defend their favourite “minority” blindly and with enormous passion — ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THEM HAVE READ THE KORAN. The same goes for political sycophants like John Kerry, David Cameron, Pope Francis, the U.S. Catholic Bishops, and all the rest.

    • Angemon says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 5:26 pm

      Don McKellar posted:

      “How many “Peace be upon him” can you sit through without throwing the book into the garbage?”

      I know, right? The only other time I actually felt like inflicting torture on a book was back when I was a young teen – I read the 1001 Nights and it was like “God – whose name be exalted” and “God – the most perfect being” and “God – the most merciful” everywhere. I had no clue about islam and already islamic-tainted literature was grating my patience and filling me with nearly uncontrollable anger.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 7:59 pm

      I’ve made a project of reading the stories of former Muslims to find out what they believed while they were Muslims, why they lost faith and apostasized, what their family lives were like, etc. So many of them were like Mona Walter – they hadn’t read the Koran for themselves, or they had learned to read Arabic phonetically so that they could read and recite the Koran in the holy language because that pleases Allah, but didn’t know what the heck it meant. And when they finally read it in their own language they’re shocked and sickened and begin the difficult process of losing their religion and trying to work out how the heck to come out of the Islamic closet (fearful of losing their family ties, breaking their parents’ hearts, being ostracized by friends, perhaps even beaten or killed, depending on what kind of family they’ve got or where they live).

      Among apostates you see this again and again.

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Sep 26, 2015 at 8:47 pm

        Yes. And that’s why, if the Nobel Peace Prize committee had any sense, they would award this year’s prize to Ali Sina, who with his Faithfreedom website has provided a sheltering environment for countless former Muslims to help them with the difficult process of freeing themselves from the shackles of that demonic creed.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 7:29 pm

          They have neither the sense, nor the courage.

    • Mo says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 8:01 pm

      @ Don McKellar

      “If they have tried, like I have, they will in the first case bow to Robert Spencer for reading that piece of garbage for us and pointing out what’s there with references so we can all look for ourselves rather than wading through that shit. How many “Peace be upon him” can you sit through without throwing the book into the garbage?”

      When I first tried reading the Koran, I got maybe 1/3 into it and I had put it aside for some months. I could not believe how on nearly every page there was Allah’s relentless anger and hatred. He doesn’t even love his followers! It was exhausting to read such ugly things page after page after page.

      At that time I did know a fair amount of facts about Islam. But reading it for myself was another story. It’s one of the hardest things I have ever done. I forced myself to get back to it a few months later and I did finish it. I was so shocked. This is one of the most ugly, hate filled books I’ve ever read.

      That’s why I cannot FATHOM how Muslims can follow this religion. I see Muslims on the street and I try to get into their mindset and figure out… HOW can you follow such an evil death cult?

      • samantha says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 12:43 am

        I read many parts of the Koran also. It wasn’t easy. I felt kind “yucky” inside. And I never made it through the Sura and Hadith. There is a real difference in “Gods.” I can’t imagine choosing that one.

        • Mo says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 4:57 pm

          @ samantha

          “I read many parts of the Koran also. It wasn’t easy. I felt kind “yucky” inside. And I never made it through the Sura and Hadith. There is a real difference in “Gods.” I can’t imagine choosing that one.”

          Most people these days don’t believe in spiritual realities. That’s fine. You don’t need to in order to see what this book teaches. But the evil written in it can be sensed.

          Remember, Mohammad himself was terrified of his own revelations! He did not know if they were from God or the devil.

          If that doesn’t send a chill through you, I don’t know what will.

    • Hinch99 says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 11:44 pm

      I think you are right about the general level of ignorance among muslims. They have an astonishing level of loyalty to something they know nothing about. I know many muslims from Indonesia, among other things they think that Mo was born in Indonesia. They think the Kabbah came from Indonesia and was transported on ships to Mecca. They think Mo had only one wife. Why do they believe this? Because its what their teacher taught them in school and they dont dare to question it.

      • Jack says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 2:29 am

        Hello Hinch: This is why I get aggravated with some Christians that are putting out the Lie that Muslims worship the same God as Christians do, instead of aiding them in their deceived state they should be trying to explain the vast difference, between the god of the Qur’an and the God of the Bible. Many Muslims cant even read and they believe everything their clerics tell them. Shortly after the overthrow of the Shaw of Iran the reigning Ayatollah made his rounds to many Iranian schools and this is what he told the students must happen before Islam can be established as the world’s religion: 1. Kill all the Jews 2 Take Jerusalem 3. Wipe out Christianity by any means necessary, that same sentiment is alive today. I don’t know whose more insane those that make deals with such madmen and expect them to honor it or the madmen themselves. Making deals with them reminds me of, I think it was Nikita Kruschev who said “Deals are made to be broken” But considering this deal is Obama’s I’m not surprised that he would make such a deal.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 1:30 pm

        “I think you are right about the general level of ignorance among muslims. They have an astonishing level of loyalty to something they know nothing about”

        Translate that astonishment into a reasonable inference based upon mountains of inferential, circumstantial data we have become familiar with over the years — data of the sheer numbers of fanaticism expressed in myriad ways (including among many other things, Pew polls showing more than 80% in various Islamic nations supporting the psychopathic fanaticism of death for blasphemy, death for apostasy); the geographical extent of the mass fanaticism; the networking and grapevining capability of Muslims trans-nationally; the fact that Islam is not merely Koran but also Sunna not only in its textual sense but also in its cultural, sociological and sociopolitical senses; knowledge from sociology and anthropology shedding light on such anthropological phenomena as mass inculcation, mass enculturation, and mass brainwashing — where we have good reason to suppose that Islam represents the psycho-social techniques and effects of the fanatical cult uniquely on a mass scale lasting centuries over time and spread out all over the Allahdamned globe.

        Finally, add the devastating pièce de résistance — taqiyya (in all its varieties): and you will wake up from all your lurking PC MC as surely as you think Mona did from the delusion of Islam, and you will grimly steel yourself to the lucidly sobering prospect & therefore position that it would be reckless if not suicidal for us to build policy based upon a hopeful projection (in both senses of the word) extrapolating from — and exaggerating — what Mona Walter’s individual odyssey out of the Mohammedan Gulag should mean for our ongoing guidance of our West on the toward a rational policy that elevates the safety of our societies to our #1 concern.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 5:33 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Finally, add the devastating pièce de résistance — taqiyya (in all its varieties): and you will wake up from all your lurking PC MC as surely as you think Mona did from the delusion of Islam”

          Wow, you can hinestky say that? You know, you mention taqiyya in all it’s varieties and then you assert that Mona Walkers is a genuine apostate – shouldn’t you, to be in line with what you told us many, many times, be asserting that she can very well be practicing taqiyya and waiting for the best time to strike?

    • Jack says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:28 am

      I was warning people long before Jihad Watch and Robert Spencer came along and believe me it was a great relief because I would rarely find anyone that had the slightest clue as to what I was talking about, even today it seems few Americans understand Immigration Jihad, Stealth Jihad, Taqiyya Etc. This country is in grave danger, in my home state Muslims are boasting about their numbers being so many that someday they will be the majority in America, it’s my understanding that this kind of boasting is becoming a common expression, the terrible thing is they are correct, that goes for Canada too as I have many times pointed out. Look at their birth rate, couple this with the many already here and thousands if not millions on their way, this is a disaster in the making There is even a Christian organization lobbying for more Muslims to come here and what’s worse they are getting them from countries where Muslims are murdering and torturing the Christians, but this organization isn’t helping their own brethren, talk about the “Strong Delusion” this warning was specifically to those professing to be Christians.and it’s here, how would God do this, the Scriptures gives an example, Lying Spirits

    • Michael Copeland says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 3:48 am

      “When I have time, I must put it into German so that every man may see what a foul and shameful book it is.”
      – Martin Luther
      “A wearisome jumble, crude, incondite [with] endless iterations [and] longwindedness.”
      – Thomas Carlyle
      An “incoherent jumble of fable and precept and declamation which seldom excites a sentiment or an idea, sometimes craws in the dust and is sometimes lost in the clouds.”
      – Edward Gibbon
      “He bestows praise upon such instances of treachery, inhumanity, cruelty, revenge, bigotry, as are utterly incompatible with civilised society.”
      – David Hume
      “An ill arranged collection of badly translated plagiarisms of earlier Jewish and Christian stories.” – Christopher Hitchens
      “This wretched book … I have been unable to discover in it one single idea of value.” – Arthur Schopenhauer
      An “accursed book” … “So long as there is this book there will be no peace in the world.” – William E. Gladstone
      “It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic. There is also the barrenness of the message. It has no ethical dimension.” – Sebastian Faulks
      “… at times violent imagery of torment and punishment in hell, at other times direct commands to believers to deal mercilessly with unbelievers, conveyed in a frenzied torrent of words repeatedly revisiting the theme of hatred and vengeance …” – Mathieu Baudin, comment, Jihad Watch

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 2:25 pm

        I checked out Voltaire’s entry about the Koran in the famous 18th century compendium, the Encyclopédie ou Dictionnaire raisonné des sciences, des arts et des métiers (Encyclopedia or Rational Dictionary of the Sciences, Arts and Technology) — sort of the Wikipedia of the Enlightenment, edited by and soliciting the contributions of such luminary Leftards as Voltaire, Diderot and d’Alembert. My findings were disappointing, but not surprising.

        While Voltaire here and there gives lip service to unflattering critique of “[t]his tedious book” —

        “The Koran is a rhapsody, without connection, without order, and without art”

        — he spends most of his time trying to be “objective” in that hypocritical way we have come to know from later Leftist academics, where the equivalency being practiced is really a single-edged sword, one side used to stroke its Oriental Other and try to “understand” them without “judging” them, while the other side is used to cut one’s own West in an exercise of Tu Quoque (or, rather Ego Quoque). He thus castigates Western critics of the Koran for their “silly” views, and even goes so far as to construct an argument from Koran’s fourth Sura (studiously avoiding to mention verses 24 and 34, naturally) that is supposed to demonstrate that Mohammed helped the lot of women! Or he spouts such howlers as:

        “If his book is bad for our times and for us, it was very good for his contemporaries, and his religion was still better. It must be acknowledged that he reclaimed nearly the whole of Asia from idolatry.”

        and:

        “A religion so simple and so wise, taught by one who was constantly victorious, could hardly fail to subjugate a portion of the earth. Indeed the Mussulmans have made as many proselytes by their creed as by their swords.”

        Reading the entire essay is a maddening experience of reading a learned, intelligent treatise that insists on including preposterous fallacy or inference along with reasonable judgements; so the Islamoliterate reader experiences a vacillation from the one to the other:

        In short, his [Muhammad’s] civil laws are good; his doctrine is admirable in all which it has in common with ours; but his means are shocking — villainy and murder!

        After that, it’s nice that Voltaire elevates Confucius above Muhammad (but then, the prudent thing to do would be to elevate a dead dog above Muhammad…).

        The Enlightenment itself was a kind of symptom and incubator for the subsequent growth of Leftism and PC MC in the West, so it’s not surprising to see such Left-leaning ambivalence in Voltaire.

        https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/v/voltaire/dictionary/chapter16.html

        Another great Philosophe, Rousseau, similarly used the single-edged sword, as seen from this quote from his work The Social Contract (1762):

        [When Christianity gained power with the conversion of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century A.D.] the humble Christians changed their language, and soon this so-called kingdom of the other world turned, under a visible leader, into the most violent of earthly despotisms… Mahomet held very sane views, and linked his political system well together; and, as long as the form of his government continued under the caliphs who succeeded him, that government was indeed one, and so far good.

        Note for the Real Problemers: these thoughts were generated long before Karl Marx was born.

    • Tbone says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 5:42 am

      And if they have by chance read it(all those you mentioned)they are accomplices to rape murder, theft, pedophilia,torture,female genital mutilation,etc etc.how anyone could or will defend islam and knowing what it is truly about sharia and all form of hatred and violence is truly missing an essential chromosone.

    • BC says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 6:15 am

      Muslims are in the same state as Christians were until the 18th century in UK and most of Europe, thanks to the RC church the bible was only in Latin which few people understood even the services were in Latin
      so the clergy were not passing on the contents of the bible to the people.
      When the first bibles were translated into the lingua franca it was illegal to read it or even to possess it. people were executed for it. Today the faith is still written an preached in Arabic for the most part, so the only knowledge the Muslims have is what they are told by the preachers,

      • BC says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 6:16 am

        Sorry 16th century not 18th. Is it too much to ask for an edit feature on this site?

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 2:34 pm

        Quote: “Today the faith is still written an preached in Arabic for the most part, so the only knowledge the Muslims have is what they are told by the preachers”

        Sorry, but that’s rubbish. Hundreds of millions of Muslims are Arabs.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 5:41 pm

          Arabs are what, 400-500 million worldwide? I suspect that most of those millions of muslims in, for example, Indonesia and India can speak/read arabic.

    • James 123 says

      Dec 19, 2015 at 3:16 pm

      People in high positions like the Pope or John Kerry hate the Muslim religion just as much as every other rational person, but for security reasons they are outwardly respectful because they know how evil and violent extremist Muslims can be towards people who oppose them. So they pretend to be friendly with the hope that something positive will arise from this approach.

  2. Frank Scarn says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    “(not driving, I hope)”

    LOL,

    http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/05/06/bishop-mcmanus-worcester-arrested-for-drunken-driving-admits-terrible-error-judgment/yX75WO47hFk0hJ3i9apVYN/story.html

  3. Ed says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    May she get to have a safe and fulfilling new life.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:27 am

      She does. She was baptised by an emigre Syrian Christian, in Sweden.

      She is married to a native Swede – a Christian – and I understand they have two little daughters (whom, I am sure, are exactly as God made them, that is, they will NOT have been subjected to the FGM that is inflicted on almost all Muslim Somali women).

      I hope and pray that there may be many more like her.

      PRAY for the church in Sweden, both the indigenous church and the immigrants/ refugees (there are some). Pray for renewal, revival, and a courageous, clear-headed approach to raised-Muslim ‘seekers’ such as this woman was.

  4. Shmooviyet says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    I’ll gladly admit that most of what I know of islam has come from reading Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Jamie Glazov and others trying to warn. Attempting to learn from muslims I’ve worked with has often been a frustrating, non-educational experience.
    I am happy for this woman and the relief she must have felt. I hope she remains safe.

  5. Western Canadian says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    No if only this could be repeated, say, oh, about a billion plus times???

    Islam is, besides being the human races worst enemy, also its own worst enemy.

  6. Dan says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    You know what?

    I found out yesterday, that even reading the Khoran is NOT going to help.

    I “got into it” with a liberal yesterday, who asked if I actually read the Koran, and while I hadn’t read the whole thing, I been through enough of Mr. Spencer, and Ms Geller’s material that I could quote many of the violent verses.

    So then the guy says, “The Bible’s violent too.” and people who act on those, are taking verses in both out of context. The only way you’re going to understand it is to read the whole Koran.”

    To which I said, “Okay, let’s do it. I have read very little of the Bible, but I’m willing to read the whole Koran just to see.”

    His response?

    “Well yeah but it’s in English and just like lots of English doesn’t translate into other languages, lots of the Koran doesn’t translate into English. The Koran is a book of Peace.”

    So now, to satisfy this guy, not only am I going to have to learn to read Arabic, I’m probably going to have to learn the 7th century version of it to learn how to Arabic in the context of the times.

    In short?

    We are NEVER going to satisfy these liberal l/goons.

    • Concerned Citizen says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 6:51 pm

      You can not reason with a liberal. Obama can shoot someone on national television and they would deny it somehow. What is so sick is that their legislation is hurting the poor, but yet they say “they are for the poor” and that’s why they get the votes. I’ve spoken to some liberals and they always say that Republicans are for the rich only and that we are snobs! Nothing is more further from the truth!! My sister votes democratically and I asked her why and that’s what she said. Then in the next breath she says she’s upset that the IRS just sent her a bill for $225 from her taxes in 2010, which is in addition to what she already paid. I told her to keep voting that way and there will be more of that because my husband and I were audited at the same time and we do not file together! I wonder if we are being targeted???

    • Mo says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 8:06 pm

      @ Dan

      “So then the guy says, “The Bible’s violent too.” and people who act on those, are taking verses in both out of context. The only way you’re going to understand it is to read the whole Koran.”

      Don’t let these leftists (or Muslims) play that game. The minute he made this claim, the burden of proof was on HIM, not you. HE is making the claim that the “Bible’s violent”. HE needs to back that up.

      He’s never read the Bible. He’s never read the Koran. He has no idea what he’s talking about. And he knows it. Call him on it. Ask him:

      Provide to me the open ended passages in the Bible commanding or condoning Jews or Christians to commit violence against unbelievers. One you’re done providing that evidence, provide for me the evidence of where Jews and Christians are committing such acts, all over the world, on a regular basis, in obedience to those open ended commands.

      Watch him run. He’s never read the Bible or the Koran, much less sat down to compare the two on this issue.

      Whoever first makes XYZ claim has the burden of proof to defend that claim.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 3:32 pm

        Don’t let these leftists (or Muslims) play that game. The minute he made this claim, the burden of proof was on HIM, not you. HE is making the claim that the “Bible’s violent”. HE needs to back that up.

        Sure; but once one does that, if they are practiced in their PC MC apologetics, they will adduce the many verses of the Old Testament which ostensibly are appallingly violent and intolerant-sounding. Now the conversation has shifted to the elaborate discussion of the nature of the OT, its context, the descriptive sense of those seemingly bad verses, the distinction of the OT and NT… and you can bet the PC MC will include many other shifts, such as adducing the demonstrable historical record of Christians at various times fighting, killing and torturing in the name of various religious tenets; which then further embroils and complicates the discussion, necessitating forays sideways into a multitude of garden paths and rabbit holes. Since the exigent pragmatic issue is the way Muslims put into practice their Islam, the tactic of trying to limit the discussion to the texts & tenets of Islam (in order to prevent the necessity of explaining & thus exculpating the bad behavior of certain Christians in history) will become complex and time-consuming.

        All of what I am saying here is not counseling we throw up our hands and give up; just that we realistically see how complicated it is — and, unless we want to demonize and damn the “liberals” as hopeless (in which case, why even wrangle with them in the first place…?), and if on the contrary we believe there is, among our milions and millions of Pleasantly Correct Western friends, family, acquaintences and neighbors, a potential critical mass of hopefuls whose relative decency and intelligence can be appealed to, eventually, then we must continue trying.

        It’s an interesting and curious phenomenon, how the Counter-Jihad Softy seems to have more hope in the Muslim masses than he does in his fellow PC MC (indiscriminately labeled “Leftist”) Westerners.

        • Mo says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 5:03 pm

          @ voegelinian

          “Sure; but once one does that, if they are practiced in their PC MC apologetics, they will adduce the many verses of the Old Testament which ostensibly are appallingly violent and intolerant-sounding.”

          Again, you don’t fall into that trap. You direct them to provide for you the OPEN ENDED COMMANDS for Jews or Christians to commit violence against others. Not some descriptions of wars or God’s judgments. (Hint: There are no such verses, so they cannot produce them.)

          ” Now the conversation has shifted to the elaborate discussion of the nature of the OT, its context, the descriptive sense of those seemingly bad verses, the distinction of the OT and NT… and you can bet the PC MC will include many other shifts, ”

          Oh, they sure will try. You just can’t go down that road with them. The burden of proof is still on them. Don’t let them change the subject.

          “It’s an interesting and curious phenomenon, how the Counter-Jihad Softy seems to have more hope in the Muslim masses than he does in his fellow PC MC (indiscriminately labeled “Leftist”) Westerners.”

          What “softy” is that? I am so sick of your insults against those who are on the same side.

          Sick to death of them.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 8:43 pm

      Ask them if the Bible tells Christians and Jews that it’s their duty to Allah to wage war against the unbelievers until all the world is under Islamic law. The fact that there’s violence in the Bible and that the Old Testament includes a lot of the laws that we despise in Islam is trumped by the fact that Islam has a mandate to conquer the infidel, so when Muslims go all fundamentalist, JIHAD is where they go.

      That’s not where fundamentalist Jews and Christians go.

      • TheBuffster says

        Sep 26, 2015 at 11:11 pm

        Oops… I meant to say “Ask them if the Bible tells Christians and Jews that it’s their duty to God to wage war against the unbelievers until all the world is under Judaic or Christian law.”

    • Francis Merde says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 10:05 pm

      Dan, this guy is using a junk argument. Saying the Koran doesn’t translate into English is the same thing as saying that you can’t enjoy Cervantes unless you read it in Spanish. Robert Spencer has mentioned a good translation of the Koran by N.J. Dawood on multiple occasions. Fun fact, that book is available via torrent. I won’t post the link up here because of the questionable legality of doing so, even though the source material itself has long passed into public domain (and in a pinch the site http://www.quaran.com works too with none of the legality issues). Needless to say, it exists, and you can find it.

      And as Mo said the Koran has violent passages that are prescriptive rather than descriptive. The violence in the Bible DESCRIBES historic events that happened once, while the violence in the Koran PRESCRIBES general behavior which is emulated regardless of temporal restrictions. In other words, the reason ISIS and jihadis in general are so fond of slicing off heads today is because the Koran (47:4) says “when you meet an unbeliever strike their necks.” Robert Spencer, Raymond Ibrahim, and several others have made this point in the past and in far greater depth and detail. Your liberal is using moral relativism and making a false equivalency. You should call him on it.

      • deja vu says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 2:12 am

        Both you and Mo make excellent points – the descriptive/prescriptive argument never fails to silence these ignoramuses. And this is not just Muslims but so-called ‘academics’ from Western universities who have an atheistic mindset and an axe to grind.

        • Francis Merde says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 11:21 am

          Dan, he might try to pull out Leviticus 20:13-14 (old testament) and argue that the Bible does have prescriptive passages against homosexuality (yep, it does).

          13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

          14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you.

          Counter with Leviticus 20:15-16, and ask him if he’d advocates sex with animals by dint of the same line of thought? Watch him squirm.

          15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal.

          16 If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

          For a more intellectual argument to that line of thought, remind him that the Bible also has provisions that allow for secular laws to supersede religious ones such as the famous “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s due, and render unto God what is God’s due,” as well as several provisions against violence with Commandment #5 “do not murder” being the biggest one. A simple Google search for “Bible tolerance,” yields multiple possibilities.

          And don’t forget that Jesus himself supposedly saved an adulteress from death with his famous “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” No one did, and the story concluded with him saying that since no one condemned her, he wouldn’t either and to “go forth and sin no more.” Jesus abrogated Leviticus 20:10 with that act.

          10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

          Why is that important? Because it establishes that while Leviticus 20 is important in establishing the mores upon which society is built, (i.e., disdain for homosexuality, adultery, incest, and bestiality) the death penalty need not be literally applied in every case.

          Thus, while the Bible never approves of homosexuality, it can be argued that it’s prescriptive passages against violence along with post-enlightenment interpretations when coupled with secular western laws are what make it so that organizations like the WBC are heavily frowned upon, and are why many Christians like myself just tell those advocating for homosexuality to just “get a room” rather than chucking them off buildings like Muslims do in Raqqa.

          Again, I’m no theologian, and there are probably people who’ve said what I’m saying with far greater clarity and precision.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 3:37 pm

          I wish I had your pleasant experience of their silence. I have not found that the prescriptive/descriptive argument does much, other than encourage them to shift the goalposts and produce more red herrings.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 3:42 pm

        “Robert Spencer has mentioned a good translation of the Koran by N.J. Dawood on multiple occasions. Fun fact, that book is available via torrent.”

        The many translations of the Koran are easily available on many different sites. The one I use is YAQUB (“Yet Another Qur’an Browser”) — providing eleven different translations:

        Orthodox Muslims:
        Pickthall
        Yusuf Ali
        Hilali-Khan
        Shakir

        Non-Orthodox Muslims [whatever that means, lol — I’m sure the Counter-Jihad Softies can explain…)
        Sher Ali
        Khalifa

        Non-Muslim scholars:
        Arberry
        Palmer
        Rodwell
        Sale

        along with Arabic transliteration (not the same thing as “translation”).

        http://www.quranbrowser.com/

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 3:43 pm

          Correction: make that ten translations, not eleven…

    • somehistory says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 11:01 pm

      The original Bible wasn’t written in English either . Although I have spoken to people who thought the King James is the original.

      His argument is not a real one as he just will keep coming up with lame excuses….because he doesn’t wish to see.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 3:42 am

      Dan, since the average (il)liberal will not understand a rational argument, the next time you are in that situation….

      “I “got into it” with a liberal yesterday, who asked if I actually read the Koran, and while I hadn’t read the whole thing, I been through enough of Mr. Spencer, and Ms Geller’s material that I could quote many of the violent verses.”

      Good so far.

      “So then the guy says, “The Bible’s violent too.” “”

      At this point laugh loudly in their faces(s). Ask them what verses in the bible, what period in history it covered, and how many dead because of it. Add a question about how many dead due to islam (RTC). They will not be able to answer, will try to change the subject, or lie. Tell them that it was in one short span of time, when the followers of Y-w-a were under their gods direct orders, to establish their own homeland. The death count was UNDER 300,000… that is one of the higher estimates. The equivalents in islam? Murder since it’s inception, invading and ethnic cleansing of all others peoples home lands, and a murder count 270,000,000 and counting.

      Islam is slave raids and slavery from its creation until current days.. Old Testament prohibited taking slaves (capital offense to do so), and slavery very rare, short span in history, ‘slavery’ in old and new testaments was a miss-translation…

      “and people who act on those, are taking verses in both out of context. The only way you’re going to understand it is to read the whole Koran.””

      Laugh in their faces again. Jewish or Christian violence or hatred is CONTRARY to their holy books, it is MANDATORY in islamic (RTC) books.

      “To which I said, “Okay, let’s do it. I have read very little of the Bible, but I’m willing to read the whole Koran just to see.”

      His response?

      “Well yeah but it’s in English and just like lots of English doesn’t translate into other languages, lots of the Koran doesn’t translate into English. The Koran is a book of Peace.””

      Laugh again. I train in another language than English, and have fun with translation… It is very possible to translate anything other than proper names (for people or concepts) from one language to another… for honest people who WANT to do it right.

      LAUGH IN THEIR IGNORANT AND DISHONEST FACES.

      It accomplishes more than words. And is much more fun.

    • BC says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 7:36 am

      Talking with dhimmis is always going to be a waste of effort. You coul have mentioned that while it is true the bible contains violence and in fact the quran is just plagiarised from the bible. Christians have not practiced violence in the name of religion for a few hundred years. Islam however has never stopped practising violence since the very start, Especially the two main sects have been killing each other as well as other non Muslims so in no way can it be said that Islam is the religion of peace. There will only be peace when Islam rules over the whole world

      • Western Canadian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 8:45 pm

        You have put Christianity on the same level as islam (RTC), which is just what the so-called liberals do.

        Study the companion books to the Old Testament, and see how rarely the death penalty would actually be applied.

        When Christians engage in bloody mayhem, they are going AGAINST the gist of their belief system. When muslims engage in bloody mayhem, they are FOLLOWING the gist of their belief system. Rather unlike each other.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 3:19 pm

      Yes, as I have pointed out innumerable times over the years, the PC MC defense mechanism is complex, with many maneuvers as Dan describes — and many more — which suck one into a rabbit hole where one feels one has to scramble around and now answer a multitude of objections, when one thought one had a slam-dunk. And so a simplex counter-tactic (e.g., simply adducing bad verses from the Koran) is usually not going to put a dent in it.

      Those in the Counter-Jihad who make it sound easy I suspect have never actually experienced the maddeningly elaborate entanglements which a conversation about the problem of Islam with a typical PC MC from the real world entails (or else they console themselves by demonizing the ordinary PC MC they are tangling with as a hopeless “Leftist”).

      • Angemon says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 5:53 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Those in the Counter-Jihad who make it sound easy ”

        Like blaming islam’s special status in the West on “perceiving muslims as brown people”? Or “perceiving muslims as an ethnic group because of their perceived ethnicity”?

  7. Paul says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    I remember Mona Walter saying in an interview that she had been
    labelled a “racist” by Sweden’s ‘liberal’ elites for her views. Aside
    from the fact that beheading, raping, torturing, stoning, genital
    mutilation and all the other pleasantries associated with the Religion
    of Body Pieces is not actually a race, it now transpires that black
    people are not entitled to criticise it as well as white people, lest
    they be accused of being bigoted. I’m quite sure the same would be
    said about critics of any other skin colour or race too. The tireless
    mental gymnastics of the liberal ‘intelligentsia’ knows no boundaries.

    • PJG says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 7:23 pm

      Ah, but the meaning of “racist” has changed. It now includes antipathy to a religion…well, not *any* religion, only Islam. Why? Because the OIC said so. So it is now perfectly valid to call a black person “racist” if they are critical of Islam. You can’t argue with the OIC! I guess that would be “racist”.

      • Paul says

        Sep 26, 2015 at 7:57 pm

        As I say, we should happily embrace the label of “racist”, not
        that we are prejudiced against other races or nationalities, but rather
        our “racism” opposing the barbaric treatment of women, teaching kids
        to hate, mutilating them, anti-Semitism, killing Christians, Apostates and
        Atheists, irrational hatred of dogs, animal cruelty in general, deceit,
        self-pity etc. I think this scam has worn very thin amongst those of us still
        on planet Earth.We should also proclaim our pride in being “islamophobic”
        i.e. our ‘irrational’ fear of ‘submission’!.

        There’s a good video on this, which no Muhammadan or leftist could contradict :

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 3:47 pm

      ” it now transpires that black
      people are not entitled to criticise it as well as white people, lest
      they be accused of being bigoted.”

      Yep — yet another instance we can adduce out of innumerable others over the years indicating that in the PC MC perspective, Muslims have become the #1 Aggrieved Ethnic Minority Whom We Must Respect — and when any other minorities (ethnic or otherwise, or liberal causes) come in conflict with this new “Mother of All Others”, they must be thrown under the bus — all of which I tried to explain to Angemon, PJ and their friend Mirren, but to no avail….

      • Angemon says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 6:05 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “Yep — yet another instance we can adduce out of innumerable others over the years indicating that in the PC MC perspective, Muslims have become the #1 Aggrieved Ethnic Minority Whom We Must Respect — and when any other minorities (ethnic or otherwise, or liberal causes) come in conflict with this new “Mother of All Others”, they must be thrown under the bus — all of which I tried to explain to Angemon, PJ and their friend Mirren, but to no avail….”

        What “ethnicity” is islam again, voeg? And why is it that ethnicity goes out the door whenever islam is brought up? Black muslims? Bring them in. Black Christians? Meh, let them die away in Africa, killed by black muslims.

        You have tried to explain your latest , *ahem*, “theory”, to me, PJ, and Mirren – that much is true. What you conveniently left out is that we raised counter points and questioned you. Questions you ignored in favour of going around telling how you’re right and we’re wrong – you know, just repeating a lie long enough and hope everyone buys into it.

      • Paul says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 6:21 pm

        There will always be differences of opinion on this site,
        but I think most would agree that when mass rapes, beheadings
        and explosions start taking place on an unprecedented scale
        – which looks to be sooner rather than later, thanks to our
        traitorous governments – most will decide that this isn’t exactly
        to their liking and the Orwellian speech we now have will be
        completely supplanted by an innate will to survive.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 7:56 pm

          Sure Paul, but one hopes that the process a reversal of the PC MC paradigm shift will not occur only as a reaction to Mohammedan violence (which we reasonably suppose will metastasizie in the coming years and decades, but also from a growing nucleus in the West pushing positively to accelerate the process of the Great Awakening which we would have faith will occur.

  8. Mark Spahn (West Seneca, NY) says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    Don McKellar’s remark, about how many Muslims/infidels/leftists actually know what the Quran says, suggests a multiple-choice quiz about the tenets of Islam. Here’s a sample question:

    According to Islam,
    (a) All jinns are Muslims
    (b) All jinns are infidels
    (c) Some jinns are Muslims, and some are infidels
    (d) Jinns don’t exist any more than leprechauns do

    Has anyone prepared such a quiz to assess people’s knowledge of Islam?

    • PJG says

      Sep 26, 2015 at 7:24 pm

      Great idea! There goes your weekends for a while…

  9. Antuz says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 7:11 pm

    Intelligent woman, I salute her for that. I hope she can convince her compatriots to do the same thing. I left islam for over thirty years ago, I was secular so I had not so much to struggle with, but I can understand those fully indoctrinated how much programming they have to undo. Even thinking such a thought is very painful for such persons because they believe they are sinning and will be cast into hell. I have read romanticised guides into islam in turkish language, even that disgusted me. I couldn’t stand more than the five first suras, you have to be very special to read all, because that book is the most boring book ever written, repetition after repetition and no substance. I can not fathom how anyone could enjoy such BS.

    Kemal Ataturk said that there can be no developement in islamic countries and tried to abolish islam from the country, the only way to do that was to translate it to turkish so that people in first hand could see what a nonsense that book was. We now know that he was mistaken, turks preferred to be fooled. I’m so sorry for that, a golden opportunity missed.

  10. simpleton says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 7:26 pm

    I have read the koran twice, once out of curiosity and it certainly was a bad read. It still was bad the second time round.
    However the 2nd time round I read it in the chronological order, and with the key of understanding it being “abrogation”. An earlier verse if thought to be contradicted, then the later verse is better for you, (actually paraphrased from the koran by the most “perfect man”).
    Very much appreciate the great work done by Robert Spencer bringing us up so close and with great depth to understanding how all the islamic scholar’s systems work.
    It is that I just can not keep it in my mind ( in many ways I do not want to have that mess there), but slowly becoming more fluent in debate. Just makes you appreciate the ones who can rip a new one during a debate, and you can follow it.

    Becomes like the contrast of the old and new testament of the bible, eg. adulterers to be stoned in the old testament, and the new testament shows Jesus’s advice, was they who had no sin could throw the first stone, and as they reflected, they all left, as they could not act on the old laws.
    He bought a broader understanding/wisdom to the old laws.

    Yep no pleasing them, so only just small key points to be made, then change the subject. A seed even if on stony ground can crack a rock/concrete. Give them time/aging for some doubt to grow, oh and the occasional watering.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 8:50 pm

      You have to get into the Talmud, to find out how the laws in the Old Testament would be applied on a day to day basis. Much, much less often than would be expected. And much, much less bloody spilled, with much more forgiveness.

  11. Jay Boo says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    Muslims have not an Allah.
    Their ‘Allah’ is a big fat nada.

    All they have is miserable Muhammad.
    That is why many hate life and love death.

  12. Mo says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 8:17 pm

    If only people would do the same thing – READ this monstrous book, as well as reading about the life of Mohammad – they’d be just as horrified!

    I wish this dear sister in Christ all the best. I am glad she escaped the death cult of Islam. One down, a billion more to go!

  13. Concerned Citizen says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    Where can I purchase this unholy book?

    • Diana says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:15 am

      Why waste your money? You can get it for free here, together with transliteration and six English translations.

      http://quran.com/1/1

      • Diana says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 12:16 am

        P.S. You can, however, buy bound copies from Amazon.

        I don’t recommend Yusuf Ali. The art of good translation is to be fluent in BOTH languages, and his use of pseudo-King James English is exceedingly painful.

      • Concerned Citizen says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 12:29 am

        Thank you! I’m glad it’s free!!

        • koran-at-a-glance says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 5:13 am

          Concerned Citizen

          The Koran is like the DNA of a particularly nasty illness. It needs unscrambling and most of it is junk. You will struggle to make sense of any standard version because for one thing it is not in order.

          A group of us have tried to make it more accessible for non-scholars and the result is http://www.koran-at-a-glance.com

          Important verses about such themes as Jihad and Allah’s hatred for non-believers are highlighted.

          Abrogated verses are also highlighted with abrogating verses available as popups.

          The verses are presented in chronological order so that if you scroll down the home page you can see how Mohammed changed over time from being an old style prophet in Mecca to a bloody warlord in Medina.

        • Concerned Citizen says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 7:14 am

          I appreciate the information! Thank you! I really don’t want to read it, but I feel compelled so that I can be well versed when talking to idiots that say it’s a peaceful religion. Plus I can be that much closer to keeping up with all of you! Thanks again!

    • RonaldB says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 10:19 am

      “Where can I purchase this unholy book?”

      Save yourself some money. Let the Muslims get their money from oil, not from selling the Koran. You can google “koran in english pdf” and get dozens of koran downloads.

      http://www.ulc.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/English-Quran-With-Commentaries.pdf

      One paid version that might interest you is described at
      http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/abridged-koran.html

      This is a koran not only in chronological order, but has all the repetitions removed, so you get to keep your mind by the end of it. You have to pay for it, but you might decide it’s worthwhile.

      • Concerned Citizen says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 11:13 am

        Thank you so much! I just downloaded that free one and I will take a look at the other one.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:18 pm

      No need to purchase one; the World Wide Web has innumerable (if not all) translations of the Koran.

      For example, this site has 10 different translations, six by Muslims, four by Western scholars (including the one who translated the Koran which Thomas Jefferson had in his library, and which Muslim Congressman
      Keith Ellison (in)famously was allowed to be sworn in on upon his induction into the House of Representatives in 2007).

      http://www.quranbrowser.com/

      • Concerned Citizen says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 6:07 pm

        Thank you so much! Honestly, I needed help from you guys to get one either by purchasing it or getting it for free that comes from a trusted source. Many have said there are many versions on the web, so I wanted to be sure I wouldn’t be scammed or get something that wasn’t accurate. Again, thank you for your kind help.

  14. Anthony Collins says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    I’d just like to take the opportunity in welcoming Mona to our Global Christian Family, May our Lord Bless & Protect you & your Family,
    I am just so glad that you are no
    longer a part of that Totalitarian, Barbaric Ideology which isn’t a Race or Religion & can only be summed up as a “Death Cult”
    Thank God for Jesus & I’m so glad that God doesn’t have a Plan B, He knows what he is doing! 🙂

  15. mortimer says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Mona Walter’s experience is similar to that of many Muslims who read and understand the Koran for the first time. Most of these disenchanted Muslims pretend that they have not left Islam. 35% of Muslims are non-practicing, non-believing Muslims.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:22 pm

      We may infer that 35% 1.3 billion Muslims are “non-believing” — but in order to know it, we would need a mind-reading machine capable of reading the minds of nearly half a billion people spread out in over 70 countries worldwide. Given the dangers we face from Muslims, such an apodictic fact as mortimer’s would become as deadly as the bullet in a revolver in a game of Russian Roulette, were it to be translated into sociopolitical policy erring on the side of its agnostic inference in order to play the deadly-silly game of Muslim Roulette with our lives, the lives of our loved ones, and the lives of our fellow citizens.

      • Angemon says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 6:43 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “We may infer that 35% 1.3 billion Muslims are “non-believing” — but in order to know it, we would need a mind-reading machine capable of reading the minds of nearly half a billion people spread out in over 70 countries worldwide.”

        And, as we all know, you’re the mind reader around here – so what’s the 411 on that?

  16. William says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    “‘I read the Qur’an [Koran] every day. Partly to understand some of the things happening in the world, but mainly just because it is immensely instructive.’”

    “In 2006 he said the Koran was a ‘reforming book, it is inclusive. It extols science and knowledge and abhors superstition. It is practical and way ahead of its time in attitudes to marriage, women and governance’.”
    -Tony Blair, Former British Prime Minister

    How can this man utter such rubbish! It baffles the mind.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002883/Tony-Blair-reads-Koran-day-stay-faith-literate.html

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 3:21 am

      It wasn’t stupidity. It was a lying politician.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        Thus we see the one-two step process caused by the Explanatory Vacuum which continues to be indulged in the Counter-Jihad. First (William’s comment) we are baffled by how it could be that a Westerner spouts PC MC bromides about Islam; then (Western Canadian’s comment) we leap to the Real Problemer explanation of a Dastardly Cabal of Leftist Elites who knowingly support Islamic evil.

        As I wrote back in 2009:

        In fact, the more reasonable explanation, the one that does not do injustice to the faith and trust in the West as fundamentally noetically healthy—which necessarily involves the qualities of free democracy and its corollary representativeness of the People—is the one that would preserve those qualities in its explanation and not build upon assumptions that they do not exist. Because of these qualities, then, there is no “Who” who “decides” to exert PC MC axioms from on high down upon the People, at least not in the sense of a machinating, dastardly cabal of “Elites” who consciously know what they are doing and rub their hands together like a Bond villain while doing it: There is, rather, the much more complex sociological phenomenon of a worldview that has come about through a sea change in consciousness throughout the West on every level of society and affecting every gradation of the political spectrum, whereby good values and virtues have become intimately bound up in a complex nexus with certain irrational axioms: some of these axioms are merely amusing, others are annoying, others may be noxious to a limited extent, while others still have the potential for massive harm to our societies. In the latter category is the axiomatic bundle of Multi-Culturalism.

        http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2009/01/explanatory-vacuum-spencer-and-auster.html

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 9:00 pm

          And again, you run off at the mouth, with whatever passes for your brain being AWOL….

          If he read the book, he would not it is not instructive, does not extol science or anything else of value. It is not inclusive, and not in any way shape or form ahead of it’s time on anything, especially marriage and the treatment of women.

          Now, he is either lying about having read it, since it contains nothing that he claims it does. Or he is lying, as he knows everything he says it contains, it does not even come close to containing.

          Either way, he is a liar. Only a jerk with a doctorate of wind-baggery, like you, would not be able to see that.

          “Dastardly Cabal of Leftist Elites who knowingly support Islamic evil.”

          Gee, where did I say that? Oh, right. I DIDN’T. It would appear that your gollygeewhizbangboysclub mind reading helmet needs to have the batteries replaced… or it doesn’t work when you have the tinfoil one on at the same time.
          Or you need to get your head out of your nether regions… assuming it is still possible to do so.

          And since all stripes of politicians (yellow in all cases) are in on giving islam a leg-up, you are stupidly in error on that point, as well, and as usual.

          You really do overrate yourself. Oddly enough no one else does.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 9:11 pm

          would not it is not instructive = would not say it is instructive

  17. somehistory says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Good for this lady. I’m glad she found Christ and His teachings of love and forgiveness, life and hope.

    I also hope no none who knew her as muslem finds her and decides to make her pay for leaving the evil cult of satan.

  18. Edward says

    Sep 26, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    The Image of God is a concept and theological doctrine in Judaism,[1] Christianity, which asserts that human beings are created in God’s image with all His ardent love .

    The Catholic theologian, St. Augustine’s assertion that the human mind was the location of humanity, and thus the location of the ‘image of God’: where God’s complete love attributes resides.

    Islam’s creation account is radically different, for they don’t believe that Muslin is endowed God’s gift of being created in His Image!

    It took one egotistical man’s selfishness to rob the love of the real God by mentally chaining them to a mythical tyrannical god for over 1400 years. Allah, like his prophet (miserable) Mohammad siphoned all love that their believers were born with. In Christianity, it has been proven that a newly born child has the love propensity at its peak and gradually subsiding as this new human being is exposed to the secular world and by many other factors.

    http://www.iqrasense.com/allah/islamic-viewpoint-on-god-made-man-in-his-own-image.html

    Islamic viewpoint on ‘God made man in His own image’

    “Islam does not agree with this statement. Allah, God, has attributes which belong to Him alone, such as His being the Creator, the Provider, the One God, etc. These are characteristics which a created being cannot acquire.”——-[ ]

  19. dlbrand says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 12:26 am

    And because of this courageous woman’s testimony, and the like-kind from others like her; the claim, they are unaware of the doctrines of Islam from literate self-claimed “Moderate Muslims,” be they well educated or otherwise, flat du’nt cut it.

    Moreover, every fool out there, who propagates the lie of a moderate Islam, a “radical” or extremist Islam, thus, the lie of a Moderate Muslim and an extremist or radical Muslim; insults, devotes their fight, their efforts to counter the assertions of this heroic woman, and works to dull, dim and diminish the courage of her and others like her.

    Shame on you gutless pack of cowards and fools. Shame one you.

    • dlbrand says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:31 am

      Shame ON you.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:35 pm

      Yep, EXACTAMUNDO. That’s why the likes of Maajid Nawaz and Zuhdi Jasser (the latter of whom “Liatris Spicata” defended so fiercely he had to attack me because I called him on such camelcrap) should be interrogated under harsh Klieg lights until they do some ‘splainin’ about the gaping holes in the logic of their “reformation” before they are unceremoniously ejected from the polite company of the Counter-Jihad (since we already know beforehand there does not exist any conceivable justification for admiring Muhammad and the Koran as they do).

      For my “Liatris Spicata” reference, see http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/muslim-woman-reads-quran-leaves-islam/comment-page-1#comment-1300051

  20. Edward says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 1:04 am

    You don’t have to read the Koran in its entirely to determine if the passages in it incites violence….just look at all the photos and videos sent from all ME locations to witness of all the atrocities committed. The evidences of the crimes committed are more horrific than the ones called for by the Religion of Peace!

    The nature of a Jihadist is that of the loose cannon.

    Dump the ideology thought that causes the atrocities; go after the perpetrators, which most likely haven’t read its tenets……all they do know is to kill passionately!

    What more proof does the world requires to indict Islam the provoker of many crimes?

  21. Mark says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 3:31 am

    What a Dad reflection of a European country (or at least a ghettoised portion of one):

    “But then you come to Sweden and you go to mosque and there is the Quran, so you have to cover yourself and you have to be a good Muslim,”

    Not – you come to Sweden and learn about democracy and equality. You come and have to cover yourself up.

  22. Michael Copeland says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 3:58 am

    Helpful hints for the daunted:
    Read Chapter 9, the “Sura at Tawba”, bearing in mind that it overrides and abrogates ALL the peaceful verses elsewhere, because it “was revealed” latest.
    Thus inspired, read Chapters 1 to 8 (IQ al Rassooli says chapters 1 to 9 are enough for a newcomer).
    If further inspired, read Bill Warner’s “An Abridged Koran”, which arranges the suras in their date order, and eliminates all the turgid repetition found in the whole book.

    Helpful information:
    The Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul contains 2,270 variations from the modern accepted Koran.

  23. Ian Hill says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 5:44 am

    There are none as deaf as those who refuse to listen, none so blind as those who refuse to see, none so silent as those who refuse to speak the truth, and none so intolerant and arrogant as those who have been brainwashed from birth to believe something they have no knowledge of because their belief forbids them to know what it really is.

  24. Jan Nilsson says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 6:37 am

    I’m surpriced that so few Moslems have read Koran. I myself as a Christian beleiver have read 90% of Koran, because of duty to know when I spek with them beleivers. I did not thought it was worthwile to finish it. What I found was that Koran written half a Century after the scriptures of th Bible was just most of it very poorcopied texts from Old Testement in the Bible.
    -As I know very well the Power of the Bible Words both from My own experiance and from other peoples experiance, I can not look away from a very iching thought, – that Mohammad and is helpers who helped him to write, was afraid of that Power that the Bibelword has. Mohammad looked on him self as some kind of topfigure in his Environment. And I feel he was afraid that the Bibleword would influence his people in a way that it also whould change also his Life from killing anyone he wanted and raping and having sex with anyone he laid his Eyes on, therefore he had to take satans help ( evil spirit “Jeril”) to write those texts to fight the Words of th Bible. Because they have lifetransforming effect. But when someone really read Bible in a prayerful way that this auther has done they will pave way for new strong and lovely life and Hope in jesus Christ the Son of God. ( Remember this: Jesus is the Son of God because it is His title as the third person in the Godhead, not because he is the offspring of God. Jesus had that title because of His relation to the Father in the Godhead, a Father and Son relation. A relation in the Godhead that is like a Father and Son Relation Not a reproduction relation)

  25. duh_swami says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 7:23 am

    The Supreme Commandment is not called supreme for no reason…
    What is the mental and spiritual condition of someone who is actually doping that do they pass out? Go into convulsions? Die? Not likely. If God is love, loving God is like doing love push ups, the more you do the stronger you get…
    Soon your cup will runneth over with love..And the good part is that this is completely within the human psychological reach to do it. You can even be an atheist because love is not owned by religious people only. The Quran has nothing like the Supreme commandment or the Golden Rule
    ‘Love does not kill to save, if it did, murder would be salvation’…A Course in Miracles…And there you have loveless Islam, where murder is salvation…

  26. Vicky says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 7:34 am

    Some Western imams lie about what’s in the Quran and muslims follow blindly without reading their own holy book. Just like some Christians follow lying preachers instead of reading themselves.
    The bible tells us to, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15
    It also tells us, “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” 1 John 2:27

  27. bewick says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 8:34 am

    Last night the permanent apologists for Islam – the UK BBC – struck another blow for islam in the popular hospital soap Casualty. The plot concerned a small group of middle aged “right wingers” being acid attacked by a muslim group. The kid who threw the acid escaped on a motorbike but crashed killing a young muslim woman and her son waiting at a bus stop. Everyone ended up in the hospital. The muslim husband of the dead woman discovered the injured muslim motorcyclist and said “where in the Koran does it say we must kill people? I must have missed it”. A line which the politicians will love because they believe naively that the religion really is one of peace despite contrary evidence. Apologists for the BEEB of course will say that the acid attackers and the right-wingers were all presented as nasty misguided people whilst the husband was presented as the true face of islam.

    • Robert Crawford says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:10 pm

      “where in the Koran does it say we must kill people?”

      Just about every other page. Not to mention the hadiths.

      • Scott M says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 8:13 pm

        As Robert often says: “…what could possibly go wrong?!”

  28. vcragain says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 8:53 am

    I’m wondering if we shouldn’t all walk around with copies of some of these terrible ‘sayings of the Koran’ in English, to give to anyone obviously a Muslim – you never know what that kind of seeding will do – of course there could be real threats – so that tells you right there what the truth is of this ghastly ‘faith’. I will consider this idea tho – I just feel somebody needs to try something to give them a little jolt. While I know that people of a Conservative turn of mind tend to just follow along with whatever their society has taught them is ‘the right way to behave & believe’ – regardless what you non-Muslim Conservatives think, it is the liberal mind that has the spark to ‘think outside the box’ which while NOT always being the right answer to the question, still makes them much more likely to listen to a differing point of view – SOME of those who are Muslims must have that liberal streak just waiting to break out of their box. Conservatives in general love to spout on those ‘terrible ignorant liberals’ which in fact is quite the opposite of reality – they are ones trying hard to balance all the arguments and come up with the right solutions in life – it so happens I believe they (and I am in general a Liberal) do not realize the horror of the ambitions and target of this ghastly Muslim religion (not the fault of innocent Muslims who only know what they were told as children). I hope that the truth is seen before too much damage is done..

    • Robbydot says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 11:42 am

      So liberals are the open minded ones? How is it there in la la land? Dipstick.

    • Robert Crawford says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:12 pm

      “it is the liberal mind that has the spark to ‘think outside the box’ ”

      Classical liberals — which is to say modern US conservatives — yes. Modern liberals — who are leftists who consider Stalin to be a centrist — are doctrinaire to the point of ignoring everything that doesn’t comport with their dogma.

    • Kepha says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 2:37 pm

      vcragain:

      With all due respect to a fellow bearer of the divine image, I beg to differ with you that “people of a conservative turn of mind just go along with whatever society says….” I also disagree that “the liberal mind has the spark to think outside the box.” Many of us were and are liberals simply because that’s how we were raised, and we find it hard to question.

      With all due respect, you make me think of people of my generation some forty years ago who would so angrily decry the “dehumanization” of the groups they championed while those same young radicals would so cheerfully turn around and yell, “Fascist insect!” at anyone who disagreed with them. Who dehumanized whom?

      I was raised to think as you do, and to believe that only liberals and people farther to the Left are intellectually active. I daresay that after a little growing and learning, I soon learned that much of the power of modern liberal-Leftism lies in its stranglehold on the miseducation of youth and the media, which allows it to repeat its shibboleths and promulgate its own prejudices and bigotries while thinking itself “open-minded”.

      A Christian conservatism’s strong historical awareness is one of the things that probably helped the Western world pull out of its 20th century infatuation with the blusters of Marxism-Leninism (nothing was more mind-numbing than Marxism-Leninism’s insistence that any idea or fact that contriadicted it was “false consciousness”). Further, the Christian doctrine of original sin (as well as the Jewish one of the yetzer ra’a) was the real reason why the West has been better at self-criticism.

      I recall having been raised to believe that Christian missions were an exercise in bigotry and cultural arrogance; but then, when I studied Sinology (then dominated by Marxists, by the way), I found out that the pioneer work in the Western study of non-European languages and the early translation of non-Western thought was done by those supposedly “bigoted” and “blind” missionaries. Methinks they were people who, better than many others, learned to “think outside the box” to discover new worlds and bridge gaps between them. It is the PeeCeeEmCee liberal, who while professing respect for the other man’s culture and beliefs, shows his contempt by his unwillingness to truly interact with them (lest he find something unpleasant?). Believe me, there’s nothing more grating than, after having learned to read three Indo-European, one Semitic (and recognize two others), and two Sinitic languages, you hear someone a third your age charge you with being “monocultural” simply because she’s so provincial she wouldn’t recognize real “multiculturalism” if it rose up and bit her on the butt. As the Tang dynasty author Han Yu once wrote, “a frog in a well thinks that heaven is small.”

      As for Edward Said’s book _Orientalism_, it is nothing less than an attack on the intellectual curiosity that made the West great.

      You ought to read Alasdair MacIntyre’s _Which Rationality? Whose Justice?_. It may open your eyes to how our enlightenment liberalism, far from having found theos universal standards of justice and rationality which it set out to discover, itself became one more tradition of discourse in which terms like “justice” and “rationality” have meaning only within the confines of that tradition.

      What I have learned after a bit of living, much of it spent as a teacher, is that we moderns and post-moderns have been trained to think about a lot in very shallow terms, think deeply about very little, and to react rather than reflect. I fear that your misplaced excess respect for so-called “liberals” and dismissive contempt for “conservatives” shows you a typical product of such miseducation.

      Uncle Kepha

      • Conservative Conservationist says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 3:04 pm

        Kepha, outstanding rebuttal. Incisive without condescension, persuasive rather than insulting. Well done sir.

      • TheBuffster says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 8:34 pm

        Well said, Kepha!

        Some of the most narrow-minded, dogmatic people I’ve known have been “liberals”. I’ve also known narrow-minded conservatives. But it’s rarely a conservative or a Christian who has tried to shut me up when I talk about my atheistic views, while it’s not that rare for a “liberal” to do so when I try to criticize something like affirmative action or raise questions about other politically correct positions. I find this especially true of young liberals. It’s more often by far that it’s a “liberal” that cuts off discussion by labeling me and then doing the equivalent of covering their ears and making noise to try to drown me out.

        It’s good to remember that when the United States was founded, the founders were called “liberals” – those who stood for liberty and for limiting the powers of government were called “liberals” (and today they are still called “Classical Liberals”). To hold on to the traditions that were founded in the understanding that the individual needs liberty in order to be true to his conscience, in order to find his own meaning in his life – that his life belongs to him, not the state, not a collective, but to him – and that the government is not the master of the people but exists only to protect them from criminals and foreign invaders – that was a fairly new and developing approach to government.

        Over time the “liberal” view became the “conservative” – the traditional – view. It was still “liberal” – still supportive of liberty under a limited government – but at a certain point in time supporters of expanding government power began calling themselves “liberals” because “progressive” and “socialist” were viewed as negatives by most Americans, while “liberal” had the familiar ring of liberty and the Founding Fathers.

        Today the term “liberal” – at least in the USA – has come to mean someone who is happy to turn more and more power over to the government bureaucracy, tangling people’s lives and businesses in red and blue and orange and black – all kinds of colors of tape. It has come to mean a stifling political correctness on campuses across the country, where a person who has a different view from the official one gets shouted down and labeled before he or she has a chance to have a say.

        Conservatives do tend to be suspicious of change – they want evidence that the change is not going to take a society in a destructive direction, particularly one that is destructive of liberty and is a boon to tyranny. But conservatives do accept change once they can see that it’s an improvement or harmless.

        Plus the free market under a limited government is one of the greatest forces for creativity, change and progress that has ever existed, and that’s not a modern “liberal” phemonmenon.

      • Mazo says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 9:29 pm

        I visited Catholic and Protestant Churches.

        Protestants share the same aesthetic values as the Taliban.

        I think I know why paint splattered on canvas and random 3-D shapes qualify as art to Americans.

        And why America’s national dish is trans-fat.

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 9:51 pm

          Wow !

          Mazo,
          You are still on this thread grasping for a life saver.
          This former Muslim lady has really thrown you for a loop.
          I can really sense your deep insecurity and desperation about Islam now. The initial addictive rush of a vanity fix prayer dance is wearing off.
          You might wish to temporarily crawl back into a shell of Islamic willful ignorance for just a little while until you can better handle the empty meaninglessness that Islam offers.

          Hey everyone, give poor Mazo a little break to ponder the empty void in the religion of hate.

    • Geppetto says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:06 pm

      “more likely to listen to a differing point of view”? Who is listening to the small chorus of “Islamophobes” who’ve been beating the drums since 9/11/01 about the true nature of Islam, and where is the chorus of liberals who have yet to venture one micrometer outside their proverbial box to help give that message the power of their so called ability to think outside the box. With a very few exceptions, liberals live entirely inside their box as demonstrated by their absolute refusal to accept a view that conflicts with their own ingrained obtuseness. Facts have nothing to do with consensus or the opinions of a majority and those who pontificate, as if with authority, that “Islam is a religion of peace” are nothing more than intentionally ignorant, mind numbed members of that liberal herd wallowing in a mud hole of ignorance or cowardice and submission. While there are many conservatives in the same mud hole there are far more conservative than liberal “Islamophobes.”

    • Mo says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 4:55 pm

      @ vcragain

      “While I know that people of a Conservative turn of mind tend to just follow along with whatever their society has taught them is ‘the right way to behave & believe’ ”

      What nonsense. Yeah, that’s why American culture is DOMINATED by liberal views.

      “– regardless what you non-Muslim Conservatives think, it is the liberal mind that has the spark to ‘think outside the box’ ”

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now that is hysterical! Yeah, that’s why all of American culture skews left, and with no room for disagreement. That’s why leftists are the ones siding with Islam by an overwhelming margin.

      I do wonder what planet people like you are from.

      Take your anti-conservative lies and bigotry elsewhere.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 5:27 pm

      Conservatives in general love to spout on those ‘terrible ignorant liberals’ which in fact is quite the opposite of reality …

      Conservatives in general love to point out that about half of the federal government is illegal, as in against the law. That was even before dictatorship was introduced into the equation in 2012 by Prez Barack Hussein with his Oval Office legislation on the welfare work law. I don’t see where quoting the law and demanding lawfulness is spouting or at odds with reality. And all that is said without even going into debate on what policies are most efficacious. Adherence to the law first, then let’s talk policy.

    • occupant9 says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      Liberals are the ones who rationalize, equivocate and obfuscate as much as possible so that their “solutions” can never be properly scrutinized. Liberals only “think” outside of the box when simultaneously holding vastly contradictory beliefs that allow them to “win” every argument with “solutions” that retain the liberal narrative, as defined by liberals.

      Remember, the Left thinks the Right is not only wrongheaded but Evil whereas the Right thinks the Left is not Evil but merely wrongheaded. It is been my observation that the Right is wrongheaded in thinking that the Left is not Evil.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      Responding to one as cloistered and narrow in education and vision as you obviously are, is usually a waste of time and effort. Your post demonstrates a blindness only found among the poorly educated, who think their indoctrination sets them above the herd…… Sad so say, it gives them a greater commonality with what is left behind after the herd passes.

      “While I know that people of a Conservative turn of mind tend to just follow along with whatever their society has taught them is ‘the right way to behave & believe’ –”

      I have been able to persuade Conservatives (the current holders and guardians of the flame of classical liberalism) that they have been wrong about islam being peaceful and accepting, or that the climate is going to kill us all….. as the result of my own years of study in these fields. So called or self proclaimed liberals, are another matter. Ignorant as door knobs, and with minds so firmly locked in one mode that it is impossible to get through to them.

      “regardless what you non-Muslim Conservatives think, it is the liberal mind that has the spark to ‘think outside the box’”

      Which is of course why campuses throughout the west have more in common with gulags than centres of learning, either high or low. Dedicated to producing people incapable of thinking, but confident in there bountiful ignorance.

      “Conservatives in general love to spout on those ‘terrible ignorant liberals’ which in fact is quite the opposite of reality – they are ones trying hard to balance all the arguments and come up with the right solutions in life –”

      Which is of course why Pailin was subject to the most incredibly vicious and hate filled attacks, fabrications and smears in American politics in the last half century.. Which is why C. Rice (someone I frequently disagree with), a highly educated, incredibly intelligent woman as well as an outstanding pianist, was subject to racist smears that are and always have been the mode and method of the left, especially so called ‘progressives’.

      You didn’t post a single word on lib vs cons, that wasn’t utter rubbish, slander and bigoted smear. Instead of shame, you will feel sorry for yourself for the criticism you have so rightly earned, and claim victim hood, and proof that you are right, while you are merely ignorant and a bigot.

      If you can afford a lawyer, I would suggest you sue your teachers and ‘educational’ establishments, as they are guilty of fraud. You are not educated or informed;. You are merely an ambulatory parrot, who repeats what it has heard.

      You probably even believe that the democrats were the one’s who fought against slavery and jim crow laws, and and fought for civil rights. Guess what, you are wrong on all counts.

      • Kepha says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 8:23 pm

        Good reply to vcr, Neighbor.

        You tell vcr to hire a lawyer and sue the school systems. I regret to say, that as a public high school teacher in the USA, I think there’s more justice in your suggestion than I care to admit. It’s why I very sadly introduce myself as a professional swindler of the young and their families rather than as a teacher.

        But, since you mention Palin–a closer neighbor to you than to me–would you believe that one fine lunch, I walked into our teachers lounge, and heard everyone yokking it up over how dumb Palin was to think Russia was right next to Alaska. I pointed out to everyone that such a question was one of the trick questions on the American Foreign Service Exam. Yep, it’s you guys, the Mexicans, and Russia (only five miles of water between Big and Little Diomede, and that’s less than 2 X 3). It shut up everyone in a trice.

        Regards,

        An Eastern American,

        Kepha

        • Kepha says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 8:26 pm

          Come to think of it, the fact that faux-siphticated East Coast Americans could self-assuredly laugh at Sarah Palin for thinking her state was so close to Russia is one more reason why I think that the Left is more into uncritical groupthink than the Right.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 9:07 pm

          Thanks for the kind words, I suspect Tina Fey (Fay??) did more for obama with that wildly partisan skit than all the Soros millions….

  29. Westman says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 10:39 am

    Too many Muslims are unaware of the actual contents of the Quran. It seems mind boggling that hundreds of millions have even been forced to memorize and recite the Quran without knowing its contents – without actually learning Arabic.

    Imagine reciting the Bible in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, yet not knowing any of these languages.

    This brings up an amusing(or disgusting) problem in Bangladesh, a Muslim country, where there is so much corruption that the managers of far too few public toilets sell the water, run car a car wash, or rent the space for sleeping. Partially, as a result, men are urinating on the walls of public buildings. Warning signs had no effect. Finally Arabic gibberish was printed on the walls and it had an impact – because the men thought it might be something from the Quran!

    Here is a typical answer for this ridiculous practice of reciting in a language you don’t understand: “Respected sister in Islam, the Glorious Quran is the Very Words of Allah Subhanah, and without an iota of a doubt, one who strives to recite the Glorious Quran, regardless of whether one understands what is being recited or not, will have their appropriate reward in the Presence of their Lord Most Gracious Most Merciful.” http://www.islamhelpline.net/answer/7679

    Imagine how many millions would leave Islam if they could actually read and understand the words of the Quran. The Imams are parasitic gate-keepers who have no interest in losing the interpreter’s control of the narrative or the power it gives over their listeners.

    • Robert Crawford says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:14 pm

      Frankly, harder to tell if the gibberish or the urine was from the Koran.

      • Westman says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        It gets worse yet, Robert. “Refugees” are urinating on sleeping women; a sure sign of respect for the Muslimas. Article headline: “Bundeswehr: asylum seekers urinate on Refugee Women”. It’s in German but Google Chrome can translate it.

        https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2015/bundeswehr-asylbewerber-urinieren-auf-fluechtlingsfrauen/

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 11:16 pm

      But note that if you read the whole page, it is deemed far superior to know the meaning:

      “The mere recitation of the Glorious Quran without understanding its meanings, and the striving to understand the meaning of what is being recited are both, without an iota of a doubt, good deeds in the Sight of Allah Subhanah. But if one compares the rewards of the two, the rewards of those who strive to study and ponder over the meanings of the Glorious Quran so that they may follow the deen with more conviction or revive the deen is far far superior and much more meritorious in the Sight of their Lord.”

      Still, I’ve read so many apostates’ stories that essentially say “I hadn’t read the Koran in my own language and relied on other people for what it said” and who were shocked out of their faith when they read it. It’s clear from that that reading the Koran in Arabic without understanding is not that unusual.

  30. w. marne says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 11:23 am

    She is a brave woman. But I fear that she has endangered herself by saying this.

  31. gordon miller says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 11:25 am

    When will our leaders, and most all of us for that matter, learn to skip the now politically correct “radical Islamic terrorist” phrase and just say “Islamist”? This Muslim woman apparently went further and acknowledged that the Qur’an is the holy book of MUSLIMS, and that only after reading it did she learn Allah is a god of hate and that Islam is not a religion of peace. But, as a Muslim woman she, by definition, is an Islamist and must believe in Allah even without knowing much about the religion. My question is: In becoming a Christian, why is she still called a Muslim?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 12:21 pm

      Why not just say “Moslem.” That would be best.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      When will our leaders, and most all of us for that matter, learn to skip the now politically correct “radical Islamic terrorist” phrase and just say “Islamist”?

      I believe in LOL is in order. One small step for a Counter-Jihad Softy, one giant step backward for Mankind…

      There is no such thing as “Islamist” in the Muslim world. That’s a word invented by anxious Western analysts — whether in the PC MC mainstream or within the Counter-Jihad — in their perennial attempt to avoid the Camel in the Room. Come on, you can say Muslim… M – U – S – L -I – M… I’m sure you can.

  32. Katnis says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 11:52 am

    Congratulations to Mona Walters. Thank you so much for sharing your story. I hope that your story will awaken and inspire others in your position. God Bless you on your journey. I wish you much support, and hope that you continue to tell your story.

  33. Bob Ingersoll says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 11:54 am

    Shoulda stuck with atheism, Mona. You’re out of the fire, perhaps, but now just bubbling away in the boiling fat. Read Leviticus or how about Jesus “bringing a sword”. Plenty of nasty fodder in the “Holy” Bible.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 7:21 pm

      And another ignorant jerk, possessed of no knowledge, but an excess of hatred, runs off at the mouth. As someone who has studied both the Old and New Testaments, as well as the bloody, filthy and hate filled koran, I am quite competent to tell you , that you are as ignorant and stupid as the lowest, sickest and most vicious muslim who delights in slitting the throats of 6 month old Jews, raping Christians of all ages, and you probably smell like one of them, too.

      You are so sickening ignorant, you can’t be helped.

      • Kepha says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 8:28 pm

        Ditto, neighbor. Ditto. The poster named himself after one of the fathers of organized slave-to-sin-thought–oops, free thought–in my country.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 11:21 pm

      Bob, Jesus “bringing a sword” didn’t have to do with waging holy war. It was metaphorical. It had to do with the fact that Jesus’s challenging of the Pharisees and the message of his preaching was going to get a lot of people offside – it would be *divisive*. He meant that families would disagree among themselves over his message and separate over it, and that his followers would be persecuted. He was *warning* his followers that following him wasn’t going to be easy. They were going to be in danger. The sword would be raised against *them*.

      Jesus told his followers not to harm the people who rejected and mocked him or them, but to just walk away and leave judgment to God. He told them to do good to their enemies and pray for them.

      Yes, there’s nasty stuff in Leviticus. Jesus was never shown endorsing it. And when it came to stoning, he told people “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.” And then Jesus who, according to Christianity, is supposed to be the most sinless man to ever live, told the adulteress: “Then neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.”

      I’m not up on how Judaism got away from the horrific stuff in Leviticus. But I do know that someone following Jesus shouldn’t be turning back to that part of the Old Testament.

      I’m not a Christian myself, by the way. I don’t believe in a God.

  34. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    “It’s about hating and killing those who disagree with Islam. It’s about conquering. Mohammed, he was immoral. He was a bloodthirsty man. He was terrible man…

    Yup, that’s the Holy Prophet Mohamed. And the terrible man is held up as the Perfect Man, and Allah commands good Moslems to emulate him, which they do.

    Maybe in his final days in office “Conservative” John Boehner can arrange for Mona Walter to fly in and address a joint session of Congress. Maybe. But why would that be necessary, Moslems do not present a problem to the nation, except for the occasional bomb or Infidel beheading. And luckily, what we spend keeping an eye on Moslem activists is a state secret, so it’s free to the taxpayer.

  35. Geraldine says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    This story says that she was only able to read the Koran after leaving Somalia. Why would that be? it’s difficult to believe that even Somalia is so poor that no copies are available. Is it because they’re not allowed to read translations if they can’t read Arabic? Or that they “learn” it in Arabic without understanding a word? Rr that they’re simply not allowed to read it at al?

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm

      I think what Mona is describing —

      “I discovered Islam first in Sweden. In Somalia, you’re just a Muslim, without knowing the Quran. But then you come to Sweden and you go to mosque and there is the Quran, so you have to cover yourself and you have to be a good Muslim,” Walter shared.

      — is a sociopolitical cultural situation of a 3rd World backwater dominated by Islam, where in order to control the population, they don’t really need to directly indoctrinate; they leave that up to family, neighbors, and religious police. The rest of the Muslims follow along like sheeple (and among them, innumerable ones are violently dangerous and fanatical). In the far more sophisticated and superior Dar-al-Harb, however, a different Islamic order is necessary to build and maintain the “double totalitarianism” of Islam.

      Mona would represent one of the tiny minority who escaped through the cracks.

      • Angemon says

        Sep 27, 2015 at 5:30 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “is a sociopolitical cultural situation of a 3rd World backwater dominated by Islam, where in order to control the population, they don’t really need to directly indoctrinate; they leave that up to family, neighbors, and religious police. The rest of the Muslims follow along like sheeple (and among them, innumerable ones are violently dangerous and fanatical). (..)

        Mona would represent one of the tiny minority who escaped through the cracks.

        A couple of questions, voeg:

        – how do they manage to indoctrinate someone to being “violently dangerous and fanatical” without mentioning the quran at all (slay them wherever you find them, etc.)?

        – why and how did Mona Walkers “escaped through the cracks” when she was subjected to the same indoctrination that produces the “violently dangerous and fanatical” ones?

        Also, don’t you say that we are to have “a rational prejudice against all Muslims” and they we must, rationally, assume they’re always planning to attack us and murder us in ways much more horrific than 9/11, and that if we can’t actually find any evidence for it we can “reverse engineer” a perfectly valid explanation to why they’re not seemingly planning and/or engaging in jihad against us? Shouldn’t you, to be true to what you’ve stated many times, be saying that she faked her conversion and that she’s a sleeper agent , o something along those lines?

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 27, 2015 at 7:25 pm

          AWWW!!!! You done rained on his parade again!! Not fair!! Or at least we should all chip in and buy him a really good rain coat and umbrella!! Anyone else willing to donate a little???

  36. abad says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    Hallelujah!

    A Moslem woman who converts to Christianity after learning the truth about her former religion. Hopefully there will be more like her.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 27, 2015 at 1:11 pm

      While we’re hoping, we better become prepared for the worst, and not build our policy on the basis of a hopeful projection (in both senses of the word…)

  37. Peter says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    Congratulations. Kudos to you .You have more guts than all our western politicians combined and by the way you have more integrity too ! Let your clan mutiply!

  38. Kepha says

    Sep 27, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    Welcome to the family, Mona.

  39. Syed says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    self made story writer not give single refrence of Quran like she did refrence from Bible
    Perophet Muhammad saw really teach hate? in Quran or Quran teach hate?

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 6:42 pm

      Brain Off, is that you??

  40. EYESOPEN says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    ” It’s an outrage! I trust that Bishop McManus is on his way to meet her right now (not driving, I hope)…”

    Robert, I love your sense of humor! (I’m very glad that you can still keep it.)

  41. Salim Bukorie says

    Dec 24, 2015 at 1:38 am

    She story just like i have..i leaving islam because islam it’s a fake..i born as muslim and i learn koran very well but never one of islam ulama tell me the true meaning of the koran and they just say koran from Allah..i leave islam 5 years ago after read Bible because in that time i wanna know the true what a God i believe and Jesus Christ i found..Thanks Lord Jesus.

    • Concerned Citizen says

      Dec 24, 2015 at 11:32 am

      That’s awesome!!

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