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New York Muslim: “I’m ready to die for the Caliphate, prison is nothing”

Sep 17, 2015 1:15 pm By Robert Spencer

Yet another Muslim in the U.S. misunderstands Islam so drastically as to think (horror of horrors) that the Islamic State has something to do with Islam. If only Ali Saleh had had John Kerry and David Cameron and the U.S. Catholic bishops and other non-Muslim authorities who know all about Islam to set him straight about the true, peaceful nature of his religion.

Islamic State 167

“NY Man Arrested for Trying to Join ISIS Overseas,” by Pete Williams, NBC News, September 17, 2015 (thanks to Bulldog):

A New York man has been arrested and charged with trying to get overseas to join the ISIS terror group.

Ali Saleh, 22, of Queens, New York, is charged with with attempting to provide material support to a terror group. He was arrested earlier today at his home and appears in court this afternoon.

The FBI says in the past year he has tried several times to get to the Middle East to join ISIS. In August 2014, he booked a flight Kennedy airport to Istanbul. A few days earlier, the FBI says, he used his Twitter account to post, “I’m ready to die for the Caliphate, prison is nothing”.

He did not take the trip but kept trying. In July of this year, prosecutors say, he booked a flight from JFK to Cairo.

“On the same day, Saleh used his Twitter account to communicate with an ISIL facilitator who instructed followers to contact him for hijrah advice to (the Islamic State) in Libya only,” prosecutors say.

He was denied boarding at the airport.

In the next two days, he went to the airport, in Newark and Philadelphia Liberty but was again denied boarding. He then went to an AMTRAK station in Cleveland hoping to take a train to Toronto and travel to the Middle East from there….

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  1. Dave J says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    Excuse me but why would we want to keep someone like that here? Just let him go and never return – renunciate any passport or identification papers.

    More likely to do serious damage here than in the Calip-hate.

    • Wellington says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 2:22 pm

      Agreed. Let vermin like him leave and orchestrate the legalities to strip him of citizenship along with a permanent disallowance to ever return to America. Should such a person be successful in clandestinely getting back into America the penalty for such a crime (and it needs to be a major felony) should, at the very least, be life imprisonment in solitary confinement with no possibility of parole.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Sep 18, 2015 at 2:34 am

        Regarding the citizenship angle, don’t the legalities involved in stripping citizenship of the natural-born require swearing an oath to another country or serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the United States or the (rare) conviction of treason? Would that mean the Islamic State has to be recognized as a nation at war with us (or as some subset of a declared war, such as on any Caliphate); or Congress greatly enlarging the radius of charging treason?

        • Wellington says

          Sep 18, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          Good question, Jack Diamond. Since we are in a new era of warfare with transnational entities like ISIS, this is why I mentioned the necessity to “orchestrate the legalities.” One way or another, a legal pretext must be found to do as I have suggested. If this involves legal innovation about geopolitical realities, so be it. After all, theory should never take precedence over common sense and survival.

    • Dan says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 6:00 pm

      I disagree.

      We are at war, need to do with these people exactly what would have been done to any caught trying to join the Nazis while we were at war.

      • Wellington says

        Sep 17, 2015 at 6:46 pm

        We’re in a new kind of war, Dan. It’s transnational. It’s not that you don’t have a valid point to argue, but I would still assert that getting Muslim fifth columnists OUT of the country and then never letting them back in is preferable to keeping them here.

        Here’s why: Nazism was clearly identified right up front and from the get-go as invidious to America’s best interests. By contrast, Islam, though a spiritual version of Nazism, still gets a pass and thus any Muslim loser wanting to go fight for ISIS should be allowed to with the consequences I outlined above. Of course, this would mean that those in charge of the federal government finally “get” Islam and this is a very big “if.”

        So, I’ll go along with your take on things but only if Islam is finally identified as the spiritual fascism which it surely is. Until this occurs, with Islam still getting cover hiding behind its religious veil, let the bastards go and never let them back in——once again as I outlined above.

        • dsinc says

          Sep 18, 2015 at 2:26 am

          Hear, hear.

    • خَليفة says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 11:08 pm

      Agree. Let them go with what they have on them. When they step on plane Rescind all US affiliation, take away citizenship, passport, drivers license, any welfare, pension, U.S. Issued credit cards, confiscate all U.S. Holdings, bank accounts, property, etc. ensure they can never return.

      And for those who decide to do jihad within US borders, deport them and do the same ( rescind residency/citizenship, confiscate holdings )

      • pattianne says

        Sep 19, 2015 at 11:35 pm

        these pos scums have over 35 jihadist training camps right here on our soil with our government in full knowledge of what’s going on. explain this to me, how we allow this. you can Google it (Jihadi training camps in America)

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Sep 18, 2015 at 4:30 am

      Yep

      Let them go.

      Do. not. let. them. back. in.

      Offer the vacated space to a persecuted Syrian Christian (Barnabas Fund knows where they are).

    • Lia Wissing says

      Sep 18, 2015 at 4:57 am

      How disappointing for the poor man – prison i.s.o. 72 perpetual virgins!

    • Sam says

      Sep 18, 2015 at 12:47 pm

      “Excuse me but why would we want to keep someone like that here? Just let him go and never return – renunciate any passport or identification papers”

      Because we became a clueless nation with no plan to fight the real enemy ISLAM. However, we are excellent at spending mine and your tax dollars helping the enemy like Iran and keeping and bringing more and more Muslims here so they can butcher or maim us like in they did in Boston Marathon. Go figure!

    • pattianne says

      Sep 19, 2015 at 11:18 pm

      exactly,but the scarier thing,worse than keeping this pos here, is that he isn’t arrested?really? if this inept government won’t let him leave, at least lock the scum up for life. better yet just kill him.
      i guess the actions of our government only prove the sinister things going on in this country
      looking at the facts, this is truth, not a conspiracy theory.why would they allow this & aid this pos?letting him stay free on our soil,to possibly join a local group striving to destroy us.
      if i recall, the previous attackers were here.they didn’t fly in to commit their heinous acts & then leave.
      just disgusting what is going on. welcome to the new world order.

    • Shane says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 3:34 pm

      Yes, let’s take away the citizenship and passports of any American Muslim who wants to fight for ISIS and parachute them into Syria – over Damascus!

  2. Katnis says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    We see this again and again. muslims in the USA and other Western countries are ready and willing to die for a country that holds values that are in complete opposition to ours.

    Let’s ask ourselves three important questions:
    1. What type of numbers does this country as a whole need to see to understand that taking in muslim immigrants is not a good idea for western countries?

    2. How many American lives are worth jeopardizing to save / improve / sustain the lives of budding terrorists?

    3. Why is it hard for western minds to understand that jail time does not trump a higher calling, which in this case is murder?

    What will it take to draw the line?

    • EYESOPEN says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 10:15 pm

      All very good questions. Unfortunately, neither you or I are the ones making these decisions. And the muzloids get cover from the Usurper-in-Chief, the enemedia, the so-called “academics”, the Soros-paid activist wh0res, and what have you.

      Many have awakened to the dangers of inviting izlam into this country (the U.S.); unfortunately, not enough to overcome the lies from the likes of those I mentioned above. What is worse, is that while the enemedia focus on the body of a drowned boy on a beach, or the [rare] muzloid family, they are NOT showing us the hateful aggression and “allahu akhbar” shouts of the muzloid males – who make up the majority of the so-called “refugees”.

      • Islam is the hateful religion of pease says

        Sep 19, 2015 at 11:36 pm

        As a profesional photographer and media analyst I belive the picture of the boy on the beach was staged,

    • Shane says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 3:35 pm

      We should not be as foolish as the Europeans and allow the Muslim invaders to stay. I hear Democrats in Congress want to bring 100,000 jihadists into the USA. Certainly, the Democrat party no longer represents the people of the USA.
      The Muslim Invasion of Europe, Bill O’Reilly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=rWCWquEh68A

  3. Angemon says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    Ali Saleh, 22, of Queens, New York

    Born or resident?

    • miriamrove says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 2:02 pm

      I would say either born here, or came here at a very young age, or by lottery. m

    • katnis says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 2:07 pm

      I’m not sure it matters. Though the trend seems to be that second or third generation becomes more militant. (Because… you know… life in the US is so rough and Syria would be so much better.)

      • miriamrove says

        Sep 17, 2015 at 2:18 pm

        You nailed it! M

      • Angemon says

        Sep 17, 2015 at 5:16 pm

        It’s a pet peeve of mine after being told over and over that every culture teaches the same and that immigrants will, as if by magic, fit in and become productive members of Western societies.

  4. Walter Sieruk says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    That Muslim man how yelled “I’m wiling to die for a caliphate….” only exposes just how irrational and fanatical many of those Muslim supporters of ISIS are. Yes the supporter of ISIS are irrational and likewise are the ISIS members themselves very irrational This is they are both wicked and insane. This evil and mad mindset is reflected in the Wisdom the is found in the Bible. Which reads “The hearts of men are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live and afterwards they join the dead.” Ecclesiastes 9:3. [N.I.V] For the ISIS villains of ISIS are indeed evil. This the callous characters who compose ISIS have proven ,many times over, by their own vicious, cruel brutal and murderous actions. The ISIS savages are also mad , This is shown in that they are so very unrealistic and deluded that they really believe in their Islamic daydream of establishing a caliphate and then using it as a base to then conquer the whole world for Islam. What delusion, What folly, what evil, what madness !

    • Peter Charles says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 3:49 pm

      I truly believe we should give these people what they pray for, death. It should be done quickly and efficently. Then they should be doused with pig’s blood and buried in unmarked graves.

      • EYESOPEN says

        Sep 17, 2015 at 10:18 pm

        Frankly, I can’t help but agree with you on this one. (Although I would spare the pigs.)

    • Michael Copeland says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 4:36 pm

      “and they say, “He is certainly mad.” “
      Koran 68:51

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 18, 2015 at 9:26 pm

        Yeah, Michael–but this Sura refers to decent Infidels who *don’t* follow the madness of Islam–not to death-loving pious Muslims like Ali Saleh.

  5. gabi says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    Well, I understand that some of the jihadists are born (second-third generation) in Western countries. Another question has to be: why are they now jihadists? What’s wrong / missing in Western countries so that these guys go for Islam&jihad? This is pure hate for their countries and western civilization, washed brains in mosques or there is something more? I can’t understand all this hate, they are sick people.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      “As a muslim I must have hatred towards everything that is non-Islam”,
      Amjem Choudary.
      “between us and you animosity and hatred forever”,
      Koran 60:4 (part of Islamic law).
      http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5968-islam-instructs-hatred-muslims-speak

    • kay says

      Sep 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      Gabi, the answer is very simple. altho hard for most people to understand at all.
      The answer is that It’s The Whole Islamic Culture.
      Islam is a comprehensive religious/ philosophical / political/ social/ economic / military platform.
      And it does not change.
      Rape and enslavement and murder of noncombatants and war and fascism are built into the core program.
      Islam is a religion. Islam is political fascism.
      The shortest way you can take all the essential principles and practices into one term is to say
      Islamofascism.

      To see the truth of this, to study this in depth, requires that one read or skim the two books by Andrew Bostom. The A. Lappen reviews for these on Amazon give the quick summaries.
      (1)
      The Legacy of Jihad Paperback – March 1, 2008
      by Andrew G. Bostom M.D. (Editor), Ibn Warraq (Foreword)
      Paperback: 759 pages
      Publisher: Prometheus Books (July 10, 2008)
      ISBN-10: 1591026024

      http://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Jihad-Andrew-Bostom-M-D/dp/1591026024

      (2)
      Sharia Versus Freedom: The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism Hardcover – September 18, 2012
      by Andrew G. Bostom (Author)
      Hardcover: 735 pages
      Publisher: Prometheus Books; 1St Edition edition (September 18, 2012)
      ISBN-10: 1616146664

      http://www.amazon.com/Sharia-Versus-Freedom-Islamic-Totalitarianism/dp/1616146664/

      Ask your public library to get copies of both. Tell the librarian that these books are THE references and nothing comes halfway close. Tell the librarian a theologian told you that. It is true.

      • خَليفة says

        Sep 17, 2015 at 11:56 pm

        Don’t forget the dualistic nature of Islam AND the sheer lack of a proper sense of cause and effect.

        “… In Koranic logic, two statements can contradict each other and both are true. This is dualistic logic. … ”

        http://www.politicalislam.com/statistical-islam-part-5-of-9-abrogation-and-dualism-dec-3-2010/

        Occasionalism “… when fire and cotton are placed in contact, the cotton is burned directly by God rather than by the fire … ”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incoherence_of_the_Philosophers

        خَليفة

      • gabi says

        Sep 18, 2015 at 11:50 am

        @Michael Copeland, @kay: Thank you for references! (though I know many of these islamic suras & principles, as a Christian I can’t understand and can’t accept all this hate. Of course, I’m not complaining and I’m not a political-correct-emasculated-pussy, but I can’t imagine how the Muslims pretend the Koran was dictated by an angel of God, knowing that a real angel would never ever stand up against God’s creation: the human being. “Kill the non-Muslim, make him a slave, persecute him, burn his churches, behead his children, rape his woman!” – these looks like Satan’s words, not God’s words via Holy Archangel Gabriel! I feel sorry for all those cheated and misled people who sincerely believe and pray Friday after Friday and are honest people, but if they agree such a barbaric jihadist behavior… well, their explosive birth rate can’t be a long-term weapon against the Truth of God.
        BTW of birth rate: Christianity forget to respect the God’s laws in marriage due to The Magic Pill; my grand-grandmother had 11 children, died 5, 6 survived and became great people: teachers, priests, farmers… Well, our grands knew how to live and pray and they made our civilization. It’s our turn. Or else…)

    • Joseph says

      Sep 18, 2015 at 12:42 am

      @Michael Copeland, Many a man has a black heart and given a choice to follow a path of good or evil they will choose evil every time. Look at some of the prominent people in Nazi Germany. Just look at Heinrich Himmler, he studied agronomy but what did he do(?) Himmler formed the Einsatzgruppen and built extermination camps for Hitler, this is a far cry from his chosen profession. He has the blood of millions on his hands.
      Just goes to show you how evil can corrupt a person if they are not on guard.

      • sinantara says

        Sep 18, 2015 at 2:45 am

        To an evolutionary theorist, evil is understandable–goodness (Dawkins calls is altruism) is the mystery. When Ghenggis Khan ordered his troops to flatten a city and exterminate its inhabitants his Chinese advisor pleaded with him, saying “Why Khan, why?” The laconic answer: “Why not? What is the use of cities? Can I graze my horses in a city?” Hitler’s master race concept was not that weird, he was just an anachronism employing civilo servants to commit genocide on an industrial scale after the West had become Christian (showing the truth of the saying, civilization is skin deep). Now, if Dawkins can do without a God, he can not do without Christianity as a cultural phenomenon–so deeply rooted in Jewish and Greek humanistic philosophy (The Essenes, Socrates, Plotinus among others). It is Jesus (not yet Christianity) who took the piety of the Essenes, and become its mystical personification, through his personality, extending humanity to encompass all of mankind instead of just the chosen people who also, and like everybody else and particularly like all nomads taking the land of sedentary agriculturists (the patriarchal desert Jhw versus the ‘immoral’ Astarte (farmers idolize fertility) justified that their God was more powerful than their (God/ess)i. Paulus and the twelve disciples saw to it that Jesus teachings could evolve further, to enlightenment to western civilization, spawning the nation state, human rights, universal humanitarianism, and in the end political correctness and multiculturalism. And in turn western civilization westernized the world, Alas, its goodness has taken goodness for granted and therefore can not believe that Islamic dogma and culture are not good in a Christian sense. And it also has to accept the concept of guilt, through the dogma of inherited sin and redemption. The west is acting out a religious psycho drama and has accepted a scenario that casts Muslims into the play. The question is what exactly their role is, to scourge the west for its sins of imperialism (when non white people commit imperialism it is called conquest, sorry about using that term, in the US I observed people deeply ashamed of being white, but very proud feel guilty about it, it was masochism, and of course, masochists are in need of sadists. One girl student came in barefooted doing penance for being a white student. The professor who happened to be black just shook her head and somehow found the pennant a pair of dry socks. Luckily she was not a sadist, but others are happy to fill that role… Or should their role be that the west returns to its moral roots by becoming multicultural? Or what… Now the west (“the west” of course is just a handle for an intangible and complex whole) is so preoccupied with their drama, they are forgetting reality, when the curtain falls part of the players. to the horror of the others will remove their masks, showing their true faces… Saying, alright, next act is ours… There are horror stories/movie scenarios where the monster cast are real monsters who at the end of the show eat the audience who discovers that all the doors have been closed.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 18, 2015 at 9:43 pm

      gabi wrote:

      Well, I understand that some of the jihadists are born (second-third generation) in Western countries. Another question has to be: why are they now jihadists? What’s wrong / missing in Western countries so that these guys go for Islam&jihad?
      ………………………….

      gabi, Western countries have their shortcomings, just like every human society throughout history. But the idea that pious Muslims turn to Jihad because civilized Western culture has somehow failed them is entirely mistaken.

      Firstly, pious Muslims *all over the world* turn to violent Jihad–in non-Western democracies, in communist countries, in authoritarian countries,in failed states, in Dar-al-Islam itself. We find Jihadists in China, in Burma,in Thailand, in the Philippines, in Pakistan, in India, in Russia, in Indonesia, in the Middle East, in the Levant, in the Mahgreb, and in sub-Saharan Africa–it is not just in the West.

      And then, if someone *were* disaffected with the shortcomings and hypocrisies of the West, why would they instead go for an ideology that has *none* of the West’s virtues?

      It has, really, nothing to do with the failings of the West–it has to do with pious Muslims adhering to a vicious creed–Islam–that has its own set of violent, oppressive “values” that are utterly opposed to the civilized Judeo-Christian values we embrace (albeit often imperfectly).

      With respect, I believe part of the problem is wondering how the West has failed these creeps–it just leads to more appeasement and throwing more JIhad- and Shari’ah-enabling money at the problem.

      • خَليفة says

        Sep 19, 2015 at 10:14 pm

        Note in required Muslim prayer ( see below link )
        http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/ht/pray.htm
        There is no room for any original thought, no spontaneous prayer – the same for ALL MUSLIMS EVERYWHERE, both Sunni and Shiite

        See also: ( to learn more and about the 2nd, non obligatory type of prayer, can be done anywhere any time)
        http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/53-ritual-prayer-its-meaning-and-manner.html

        The last part of required pray one recites
        1-7 the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers

        Those “strayers”, are “understood by Muslims to be Christians and Jews”
        SO… 5 times a day the devout Muslim reminds himself in prayer that Jews and Christians deserve Allah’s wrath, and Muslims are the “blessed” ones.

        Another link
        ( I had trouble viewing this link just now… )
        http://www.politicalislam.com/prayers-for-kafirs/

        May the peace of Christ be with you,
        CM

  6. mike says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    If he is ready….help him.

  7. bobm says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    imprison, deport exile.. any person waving this rag from isis should be GONE… post haste.

  8. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 17, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    The Hijrah is on, and it’s a one-way street. Unless there’s a countervailing one-way street we don’t know about, this can lead to only one outcome.

  9. Vapourking says

    Sep 18, 2015 at 12:48 am

    I must be missing something, he said he was ready to die for the Caliphate?
    I’m still not seeing a problem.
    I would think inhumane to not accommodate his request,
    Bang Bang
    What problem?

  10. dsinc says

    Sep 18, 2015 at 2:58 am

    prison is nothing. Prison for a jihadi is free board and lodging with an indoctrination course thrown in as a bonus.He comes out a more determined Muslim than when he went in.

  11. Paleologos says

    Sep 18, 2015 at 4:32 am

    What we need is another Crusade.

    What we need is to put every muslim on the business end of a sword wielded by guys who looks like this:

    http://www.strangenotions.com/wp-content/uploads/Crusades.jpg

    Simple … they win or we do.

    R/

    Paleologos

  12. rick nash says

    Sep 18, 2015 at 6:22 am

    All fanatic Islamists should be confined to their region only and not allowed to move anywhere in the world. World should unite to deny them VISA. Develop alternatives of petrol and diesel
    So all non muslims around the world can live in peace and harmony these people bring bad name to all other emigrants who work their Ass off pay their taxes and obey the rules of the country who chose to move and live happily with their customs and the people of the country these muslim fanatics oppose everything
    why come here and disturb lives of nonmuslims living peacefully here We know they came here because they were poor but once they are seteled Muslims start to show their true colours Let in all non muslims into the western world who were affected by Fanatic muslims not These fanatic muslimsAnd what are the rich muslim country doing to help they are the same people right muslims why should rest of the world help while nothing is being done by their own rich muslim neighbours and why the refugees do not go there?

  13. duh_swami says

    Sep 18, 2015 at 7:49 am

    Endless analysis…Just get a rope…

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