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Putin to those who supported “Arab Spring” in Middle East: “Do you realize what you have done?”

Sep 28, 2015 2:47 pm By Robert Spencer

“Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life. I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?”

No, they don’t realize what they have done, and they’re poised to do more of it. And those of us who warned at the time that the “Arab Spring” would not lead to “the triumph of democracy and progress,” but to “violence, poverty and social disaster,” were dismissed and derided as racist, bigoted “Islamophobes.” And no matter how often the establishment analysts get things wrong, and disastrously, fatally so, they never get called to account, and keep applying the same failed solutions over and over again.

Putin

“Putin: ‘Do you realize what you have done?,'” by Everett Rosenfeld, CNBC, September 28, 2015:

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday admonished those who supported democratic revolutions in the Middle East, telling the United Nations they led to the rise of a globally ambitious Islamic State.

“Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life,” Putin said through a translator. “I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?”

The Russian president added that the power vacuum following these revolutions led to the rise of terrorist groups in the region — including the Islamic State group.

He told the General Assembly it would be an “enormous mistake” not to cooperate with the Syrian government to combat the extremist group.

“No one but President (Bashar) Assad’s armed forces and Kurdish militia are truly fighting the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations in Syria,” he said.

In an earlier speech at the U.N. , President Barack Obama said it would be a mistake to think that Syria could be stable under Assad.

Acknowledging some of the criticism lobbed at Russia’s proposal, Putin said his country is only proposing to help save the world from terrorism.

“I must note that such an honest and frank approach from Russia has been recently used as a pretext to accuse it of its growing ambitions — as if those who say it has no ambitions at all. However, it’s not about Russia’s ambitions, dear colleagues, but about the recognition of the fact that we can no longer tolerate the current state of affairs in the world,” he said.

He proposed a “generally broad international coalition against terrorism,” likening the suggestion to the anti-Hitler coalition that brought together disparate interests to battle fascism in Europe.

Putin warned that international policy toward the region has led to an Islamic State with plans that “go further” than simply dominating the Middle East. And citing recent data about failures in successfully recruiting “moderate” Syrian opposition, Putin said countries opposed to Assad are simply worsening the situation.

“We believe that any attempts to play games with terrorists, let alone to arm them, are not just short-sighted, but hazardous. This may result in the global terrorist threat increasing dramatically and engulfing new regions,” the Russian leader said….

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Filed Under: Featured, Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, Daesh), Russia, United Nations, United States, Useful idiots, willful ignorance Tagged With: Bashar Assad, Vladimir Putin


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  1. ICH says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    Pretty bad when I trust this guy more than Obama

    • Katnis says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:10 pm

      I thought the same thing. And I have to agree with Putin in the sense that a global coalition could bring ISIS down. Further, how can we not draw parallels between ISIS and the Nazis?

      What the hell are you doing, Obama?

      • Susan says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 4:03 pm

        In Obama’s books, Dreams of My Father and Audacity of Hope, Obama answers your question by writing “I will stand with the Muslims…”

    • Alex says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:41 pm

      Why is it pretty bad? If you can think freely and not be influenced by group-think and the anti-Putin gangbang that’s been going for a few years in the western pop media under the influence of our governments, can you expose exactly what Putin has done so wrong? (Please don’t venture into the supposed “aggression” in Ukraine. There was never any aggression, only the backing of a region of Ukraine that happened to like Russia and wanted to leave Ukraine and join Russia.)

      • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 7:15 am

        Thank you Alex for pointing this out. I have been saying UKRAINE is a storm in a teacup, a side show, a distraction from the real problems out there. Apart from anything else UKRAINE is the highest trafficking nation of human body parts, sex slaves of all ages, and is in debt. The middle east is trafficking’s largest market in particular Saudi.The last thing Europe needs is another lame dog.

        My personal vision of where Russia is going with this is thus:-

        Putin takes crap from no-one and this includes Ayatollah’s,Gulf and Saudi Royals. OPEC has had the field too long and wields unbelievable power as a result. As for the IRANIAN guard having to work along side Russian Troops – it would not surprise me if this was not a covert way of mounting a coup? Putin is tough, ruthless, ex-KGB and troops will either take military disciplinary action or take orders from their Russian Commanders. I see the power in the middle east shifting, Europe will have to take notice of Russia. As will Obama, after his demise the US should focus on itself and deal with the exponential of drug cartels in Southern America. If Europe and Scandinavia have any smarts we should be changing our alliances from the US towards the Euro Asian land mass. China will take care of the central Asian Moslems for sure just give it time. She will then move down in the far east and India will be strengthened to handle her huge Moslem problem. Every which way one analyses the violence and disruption today boils down to one denominator ISLAM.

        China is now in the med, some smart arse journalist figured China’s weapons and battle ships are old and out of date. Well bully for smart arse journalists! Again attempting to make Russia look like the bogey man as well as China! Yesterday Doha owned Al Jazeera accused Israel of shooting Syrian’s on the GOLAN heights!. Another scare tactic piece of journalistic crap. No doubt the target was the Free Syrian Army Obama’s baby! Like who believes what the media says any way? Look where we are taking notice of the media?

        We need conventional war not nuclear. Islam needs to be wiped out in both IRAN and the rest of the middle east and I suspect this is the underlying agenda of Russia and China. Oh and don’t bother to say according to News reports Putin has just authorize a mega mosque in MOSCOW. Mosques can be blown up with men in them a very useful weapon. May the curse of God’s wrath be upon ISLAM. Mecca has been a start!

    • neversink says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:52 pm

      You took the words right out of my mouth…..

    • Wendy McClelland says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:57 pm

      I know! I thought the exact same thing. Do I trust Putin 100% – no way. But what he says is true. The instability in the region must be managed NOW or we will continue to see ISIS expand and more violence and terror.

    • Don McKellar says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 4:54 pm

      He makes Obama look like a complete piece of shit.

      Imagine that: a Russian dictator looks like a champion of human rights and clear-headed dealing with reality — next to an American president who ends up looking like a piece of anti-human shit. Who would have thought we’d see the day? But we have.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 7:31 pm

        What makes Putin a Russian dictator? Western media? Hollywood?
        Obama is the real dictator and the one determined to bring normal people like you and I down and keep us down or kill us. Obama is dangerous to us while Russia is dangerous to ISIS.
        It’s not only Obama but the elites who have been wreaking havoc on the world for a long time now.
        There is no need to get rid of Saddam at all. Under his “terror” minorities were safe just like under Gadaffi’s “terror” minorities were safe and also under Assad. It was Assad’s troops that saved a Christian village from extremists. Putin knows all that.
        Putin is no more a dictator than past few US presidents, Cameron etc. Not one western leader listens to their people and imposes new laws which only serve to imprison us.

        • Don McKellar says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 1:06 am

          A dictator is anybody who crushes those who would oppose him and would run against him in elections. A dictator is one who never steps down when his term is up and figures out ways to change the system to stay in power. Putin’s record on rigging elections, jailing opponents, jailing those whose assets he wanted to seize, and keeping himself in power, are all well documented. There is no western media or Hollywood or hype needed. He is what he is. He is a dictator and there is no argument that can be made that he is not. But he is ALSO dead on right on this topic. And you are right about Obama and the rest of your post — except for the part about Putin being no more of a dictator than the past few US presidents or Cameron and the rest. They could be voted out or, when their term was over, they were gone and that was it. That doesn’t happen with a dictator. Like Putin.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 1:32 am

        And you are right about Obama and the rest of your post — except for the part about Putin being no more of a dictator than the past few US presidents or Cameron and the rest. They could be voted out or, when their term was over, they were gone and that was it. That doesn’t happen with a dictator. Like Putin.
        ——————————
        Do you really think that you can vote a government out? When you don’t have choices you are only going to be recycling old governments.
        So they get rid of Labor in the UK and elect Liberals. Nothing changes. They go back to Labor again and again nothing changes. See the pattern? You see it’s not the PM who’s in charge. It’s the power behind him. Same thing in the US. What choices have you really had in the past twenty years? Has anything changed with foreign policy in the last twenty years? Both the Republicans and Democrats have been aiding extreme Islam.
        You only think you can get rid of a corrupt govenment. Same sh!t different faces.
        Nobody can be a president of the US more than two terms but that’s not the case in Australia. For as long as his or her party keeps them as leaders of that party and the party keeps getting elected one man can stay a PM. No restrictions on how long for.
        For as long as people keep voting for Putin or Medvedev they will continue to stay in power. Opposing candidates can get eliminated in more ways that one.
        You need huge amounts of money to have a chance in the US. Media can make you or break you so undesirable candidates get eliminated. See similarities?

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 7:40 am

          “When you don’t have choices you are only going to be recycling old governments.”

          Sorry Don I have to agree Peggy, the US has dominated world markets in OIL via the middle east, backed the wrong side for so long we are completely ham strung. We no longer think we just take crap from one successive incompetent US party after another. The last President in recent history with foresight and courage was Reagan. The last US foreign secretary with balls was Kissinger, the last British leader with balls was Maggie Thatcher, her downfall was the poll tax – on this point she should have listened to her cabinet and the majority of her people. Since this time we have had nothing but Blair’s Brown’s Clegg’s etc etc. All career politicians with little knowledge of the middle eastern mind set and all too young to have known when the rise of ISLAM really started. I will remind you Don.

          The OPEC crisis 1973 preceded by the Yom Kippur War. 1979 Communist Russia against Iranian backed Afghanistan and the fall of the Shah of Iran (yeah I can hear you he was a dictator) so what, at least he kept the great unwashed moslem scum under control as did Communist Russia. Then we had the psychotic Aber……………… all this time the middle east is planning its third caliphate but not a single modern leader has been aware of it. Let me point out to you Saudi Arabia back in ’74 were a bunch of unwashed tribesmen with umpteen wives trailing around Harrods in night shirts, employing slave labor through British Domestic agencies. I had to deal with the buggers! They had only just started wielding Oil power behind OPEC, living in tents until our British Architects worked on projects for top practices, we built cities in the deserts for them. Now Islam is ready to take over the world and if it means allying with Russia and China to do so then this we must do. Our European & Scandinavian politicians are useless including Merkel and I had such hopes in her. Like Maggie she has lost the bloody plot and almost in her third term. She needs to retract her policies and step down. As a final point people are so disillusioned with modern politics we are lucky if 30% of the electorate turns out to vote!

        • ROB says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 8:24 am

          The whole world is ruled by Dictators, the only difference is in some countries you get the chance to elect a new one every now and again! now there’s the truth if you want to hear it. So time to Listen to Putin at least this dictator can see past his nose end!

    • Derron says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 5:46 pm

      You are not the only one.

    • wes says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 6:27 pm

      your right I wish he would help us oust Obama or force him out of office

      • Sue says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 9:47 pm

        What? Not oust a US president on our soil. Crazy talk. Our weiner congress must.

    • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 1:17 am

      Hahahahahahahaha! Ain’t it the truth? But I’m USED to feeling this way since Zero’s in our WH. That’s sick too. OK?

      I guess only a guy who’s a thoroughgoing dictatorial thug commie is perfectly at ease saying this. But I wish we’d say it-and know it, for heaven’s sake-w/o the ‘ease’.

    • dragaozao says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 4:34 am

      Isn’t life weird? After looking at USA as leader of te free world all of my life (while Soviet Union was the enemy) I find myself lost… the fact is, I trust more Putin than Obama and Russia’s position towards Syria is the first sign of hope in these years of confusion.

  2. Rob says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    This guy has blood on his hands, as with MH17, BUT he is so right on this.
    The Arab Spring reaction was just another instance where the US believes every situation they enter is another ‘Liberation of Paris’.
    Deliriously happy people lining the streets throwing flowers.
    How different the US believes it’s actions are to Europeans ‘who only invade to colonise!’
    As Bernard Lewis says: ‘If you invade, be prepared to stay’.
    The alternative to dictatorship in the ME ISN’T democracy, it’s another worse dictatorship – usually of the Mullahs.
    Obama’s Cairo speech* led to the ousting of Mubarak and the installation of Morsi who immediately started talking about tearing up the peace treaty with Israel. Having been in the Israeli ‘killing fields’ in 49, 67 and 73 the Egyptian Army had no wish to return. They removed Morsi and installed al SiSi.
    * and Obama is incensed when the Israeli PM comes to Washington and makes a speech!
    The callow simplistic nonsense of this man!!

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:45 pm

      The callow simplistic nonsense of this man!!

      Hey watch it there. He’s the leader of the free world, our leader, and an Ivy League Man of note. He even held forth in a 2008 interview that “I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors.” This guy just doesn’t have an IQ that is “off the charts” but he also has that four lane brain pan stuffed with knowledge few if any have ever had. So he had no choice but to brag like that to warn the dummies in DC that he was incoming.

      Tread lightly if you’re gonna call him a dumbass. Yes, I know it looks for sure that he *is* a dumbass rat now, but appearances can be deceiving. I’m sure that President Obama knows things will turn out in ways that we mere lay people can never expect.

    • Oliver says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      Rob- your comment – “The liberation of Paris”–i suggest that you read SOLDIERING FOR FREEDOM by Hubert Obermayer.

      The French were not so friendly nor wanting to be libertaed.

      The flowers in Paris- recall, IT TOOK THE GERMANS 7 DAYS FOR FRANCE TO SURRENDER. The Jews, without really having weapons, in The Warsaw Ghetto fought longer.

      The French went with whoever was winning.

      • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 1:27 am

        You’re so right, and remember: France had the largest standing army in the world at the time. And still-7 DAYS.

        And you’re right about the French, too. Some years ago my Mom and I were shopping when we met a saleslady who was a Frenchwoman. I speak French, so I talked with her…

        This woman blew me away and not in a good way. Both she and my Mom were of an age-each had been a young girl during the War. The topic of WWII came up. And this woman actually said she preferred the Germans to the Americans!

        Oh yes-‘Ze Germans, zey so appreciated our architecture, the French culture! But ze Americans…oh la la…zey were very BAD boys, zey know nothing of such things!’.

        When I told my Mom what she’d said she about lost it-both her brothers were in the War (European theater). Mom said, ‘Oh really? Ask her if she noticed the Germans were OCCUPYING them-and the Americans liberated them from that!’. I did so-and this woman shrugged. ‘Zat’s true but…’

        True story.

    • Enragedsince1999 says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 8:32 pm

      Rob, don’t let CNN and other Muslim-aiding US elites deceive you. Numerous witnesses in E. Ukraine testify that they saw a fighter jet next to MH-17 right before the shootdown. The only fighter jets there were Ukrainian. An Ukrainian military man Yevgeny Agapov defected to Russia from the Ukrainian air base near Dniepropetrovsk and testifies that an Ukrainian Pilot, Vladislav Voloshin, shot down MH-17. After that Voloshin had DISAPPEARED ! Ukraine ignores Russia’s repeated public calls to have Voloshin testify. Anna Petrenko, an Ukrainian air-traffic controller who tracked MH-17 : also DIAPPEARED !

      • Sam Hawkins says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 8:52 pm

        You, sir, are an idiot and a nasty liar.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 9:24 pm

          You seem very ignorant indeed. Do you want the truth or are you happy just swallowing all the media rubbish they can shove in?
          Do you not see the proof of US tretchery even towards their own citizens now? Why do you think you are getting the truth from the very people who have been deceiving us for a very, very long time?
          I think that maybe you are an idiot. The rest of us are beginning to see more and more of the truth.

        • Enragedsince1999 says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 1:10 am

          And you are the worst kind of the CNN-educated persons: ignorant and determined to stay this way. And why do you even visit this site where you have a chance to learn something if you stick so resolutely to your ignorance? Why don’t you limit yourself to CNN and keep slurping their excrement down?
          Folks, it is useless to reason with this individual whose idea of a discussion is name-calling anyone who actually speaks the truth. But if you want to know what is actually happening in Russia and Ukraine, I encourage you to visit the website of RT. It is not perfect, but for all Americans and Europeans who do not speak Russian , it is the only source where they can learn ANY truth about the events in Ukraine.

        • boris99 says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 4:37 am

          ” But if you want to know what is actually happening in Russia and Ukraine, I encourage you to visit the website of RT.”.

          No.
          RT is the mouthpiece of Putins dictatorship. The articles there are blatantly anti-west, focus on bad news stories about the West, and anti-semitism is rife…just read the comments.

  3. cs says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    That is pretty bad actually, the only way to stop Islam is to make it create more and more havoc, so people really know that while there is Islam will be terrorism. So Putin’s effort, though brave, will not destroy the source of it.
    Quran/Haddith/Mecca/Imams/Mohammed.

    • john spielman says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 3:33 pm

      agree. to destroy islam, one must destroy the “lair of the fascist beast” which in this case is MECCA/MEDINA esp the kaaba and black stone,

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 3:36 pm

        Qom would have to be dealt with also.

  4. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster.

    While it is true that America would be better off if Putin were in the Oval Office, it must be pointed out that violence, poverty and social disaster in Dar al-Islam looooong before the miracle of the Arab Spring showed up.

    Islam is so subtle and mysterious that even a Realpolitik maestro like Putin can’t figure it out.

  5. Wellington says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    This time Putin is correct.

  6. IQ al Rassooli says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    All those who understand Muhammad’s Quran said five years ago that ONLY the Muslim Brotherhood (and or affiliates) would WIN the so called ‘Arab Spring’ leaving no trace of democracy or freedom.

    All of the above were correct and ALL the the Western so called intelligentsia, media, politicians, academics & ‘think tanks’ were dismally WRONG

    Had Obama & Europeans not MURDERED Qaddafi of Libya, ISIS would not exist today

    Putin is absolutely correct ” Do you realize what you have done?”

    Obama & H Clinton should have been put on trial and when found guilty, removed from office and put in prison for opening Pandora’s Box in the ME & Africa

    Assad was NEVER the source of the problem. Stupid and unwarranted Western interference in the internal affairs of Muslim countries was and continues to be the problem

    Obama and Cameron are on the wrong side of events in the ME while Putin is on the right side. Assad is INFINITELY better for Syria & the ME than ISIS

    Putin will do whatever he thinks will be best for Russia while Obama will do whatever is worst for the USA

    The ME & North Africa are now like the Roman Coliseum “Let the Games Begin” where the most ruthless, the least merciful will win the day

    My bet is on Putin!

    IQ al Rassooli
    Kafir & Proud!

    • EYESOPEN says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      I can’t help but agree with you here IQ. I have my own theories on why the so-called “Arab Spring” was begun – but nobody wants to hear “conspiracy theories”. What is the hundreds of thousands of muzlims (mostly young men) invasion of Europe telling you now??? (That’s the general “you”, not YOU, IQ.)

    • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 7:50 am

      Totally agree!

  7. Lasslax says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    Putin is a dictator.
    And he knows exactly where is it possible to rule with democracy and where it is not.
    The Middle East (and Russia) is not the place for democracy as it is now. There a benevolent dictatorship does more good. Democracy demands tolerance, accepting other will then the own one, accepting and following the law. Not compatible with islam.

    • Frank says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 5:06 pm

      The word ‘democraty’ makes me sick. I read it as ‘dumocracy’ The government of the dummies headed by Obama. And that is a sickening guy.

    • Peggy says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 7:40 pm

      There is nothing about Russians that suggests they can’t handle democracy. I know that you as a Hungarian have no love for Russians but don’t let your personal feelings stop you from seeing the truth. What do you think is so primitive about Russians that makes them unable to be a democracy? Are they not educated enough? Are they not up to date with technology and have they not embraced capitalism?
      Does Russia not have a great culture and has even exported it to the west no less?
      Russians are just as much European as the rest of Europe.

      • Wellington says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 8:44 pm

        There is EVERYTHING, Peggy, which shouts at a person that the Russians can’t handle democracy.

        Democracy requires that freedom, that liberty, is highly valued. The Russians are dismal here.

        I remember very well a Russian student I taught some ten years ago who said to me (respectfully) that I needed as an American to understand that Russians view freedom very differently from Americans. To a Russian, this Russian student of mine said, freedom means being able to buy as much vodka as you want and being left alone in your apartment to drink it.

        And yet another Russian student that I taught, when I asked him about Putin back in 2000 when he took over from Yeltsin, what Putin would be like, said to me (and I will never forget this), “Once KGB, always KGB.”

        The Russians have a great intellectual and artistic heritage. They are also as courageous a people as have ever existed. But, Peggy, for you to aver that, “There is nothing about Russians that suggests they can’t handle democracy” is so off the mark, so rooted (sorry here) in ignorance, that I hardly know where to begin. But I’ll begin here with George Kennan (1904-2005), who was an adviser to many American Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, who was fluent in Russian, who was a keen student of Russian history and who was briefly the US Ambassador to the USSR before Stalin demanded his recall (for telling the truth about Russia), and who said, “Russia looks upon its neighbors as vassals or enemies.”

        Kennan nailed it here, Peggy, as he did time and time again when assessing the Russians. Frankly, he would have dismissed your contention that, “There is nothing about Russians that suggests they can’t handle democracy” with the contempt it deserves.

        Wise up, Peggy. The Russians are a great people but their horrible character flaw is, unlike the ancient Greeks, the English, the Americans, the Dutch, the Swiss, et al, their dismal understanding of freedom. And hey, don’t take it up with me. Take it up with the Estonians, the Latvians, the Lithuanians, the Poles, the Slovaks, the Czechs, the Slovenians, the…., the…., the ….. They know. Oh boy do they ever.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 9:39 pm

          Right, and have a look at democracy in the west. Yes, we can decide which whiskey to drink too but we have no say in anything else. Do you have any say in how many Muslims are going to come in? Have you ever had any say on that? What exactly do we have a say in?
          I’ve noticed that you didn’t address any questions in my post.
          You talk about Latvians, Lithuanians etc. How many countries have the west, primarily the US disbabilized just since WW2? Sure, the US always goes in there for “humanitarian purposes” but the US is guilty of overthrowing legitimate governments and intalling puppets and have ruled there just the same.
          There is a great documentary by John Pilger called “The War on Democracy” you should take time to see and then come back here and tell us how the west is democratic. There is more than one way to invade a country. How many countries has the US and their parters been conducting “humanitarian” wars in?
          Both superpowers are just as guilty but we swallow the rubbish from one because we just don’t want to see that our side is just as bad.
          There is no such thing as democracy. We the people have no real power.
          So to paint Russian people as some savages and us as some evolved species is just ignorant.
          I too know some Russians. Doesn’t mean they can be my only source of information.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 8:17 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “Right, and have a look at democracy in the west. Yes, we can decide which whiskey to drink too but we have no say in anything else. Do you have any say in how many Muslims are going to come in? Have you ever had any say on that? What exactly do we have a say in?”

          On that sense, how is that any different than, for example, living under monarchy? Can you suggest a better alternative? People get a saying through voting, and candidates try to focus on issues that affect as many people as possible, at the expense of issues deemed less popular and/or relevant. How many people know, or care, about the number of muslims coming in? Also, voting on a candidate is not the same as being 100% in agreement with everything they do – you can like one’s immigration policy while disliking his tax policy and vote for him because to you his immigration policy is of greater importance than his tax policy. And what candidates promise rarely overlaps with what they actually do – what are you going to do if/when a candidate doesn’t keep his promises? Take your vote back?

        • Wellington says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 10:44 pm

          I didn’t paint the Russians as “some savages,” Peggy. Nowhere in my post could you remotely find this. Indeed, I complimented the Russians on their courage and intellectual traditions. But it seems that since I excoriated them on their woeful understanding of liberty you made the erroneous assumption that I despise them. Well, I don’t. I just think they don’t get freedom. Can you get this?

          But I don’t think you get that America is, a la Lincoln, “the last best hope of mankind.” Just imagine, if you will, the last hundred years of mankind with just one difference——no American military. Everything else the same but no American military. Do you not even remotely comprehend that the greatest guarantor of freedom in all the world is the American military? I mean, who wants Russians to liberate them? As WWII was drawing to a close, Germans by the millions made every effort to get to the American and British forces since they knew what would happen if the Russians got to them first. Surely you understand at least this.

          Yes, sometimes America has had to align with less than fully democratic nations, but I don’t blame America here but the world at large. Besides, think Realpolitik.

          No country on the planet wishes that every people could be free more than has America and no country in history has sacrificed the blood of so many of their young men for the freedom of others. And if you doubt that America is the last best hope of mankind, take it up with the legacy of America’s 16th President, not me.

          And please, one more thing, don’t distort any more what I have asserted. Disagree with it if you wish, but don’t say patently false things like averring that I “paint Russian people as some savages.”. Yes, desist from at least this calumny if you will. And make a stab at the truth if you get the time.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 28, 2015 at 11:23 pm

          But I don’t think you get that America is, a la Lincoln, “the last best hope of mankind.” Just imagine, if you will, the last hundred years of mankind with just one difference——no American military. Everything else the same but no American military. Do you not even remotely comprehend that the greatest guarantor of freedom in all the world is the American military? I mean, who wants Russians to liberate them?
          ===========================
          I would love the Russians to liberate us now. Obviously US has no intention of that at all.
          We are being overtaken by enemy and the west is serving us up on a silve platter.
          If there was no American military I am quite sure that we wouldn’t have these problems now.
          Who was instrumental in aiding these savages? Yes, you guessed it, the US.
          Who was training and supporting the Taliban when Russia tried to fix that problem?
          Who ousted Saddam, Gaddafi and almost Assad? They were the only “dictators” who kept the savages in check and out of our countries.
          Don’t mistake the lack of prosperity with lack of democracy. The west had much longer to establish their economy and markets. Russia is just starting.
          The west had colonies along the way too.
          Yes, life is sweeter in the west but only because it had more time to develop. There is no democracy anywhere. If you think that we enjoy democracy more than they do in Russia, you are mistaken. Our governments are just better at hiding their ways of oppression and keeping us more entertained so we don’t notice what they are actually doing.
          Look around. How good is your government for you? How much say do you really have? Do we have any more power than an ordinary Russian? If you think we do, what power do we have? How do we influence our government?

        • Angemon says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 8:22 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “We are being overtaken by enemy and the west is serving us up on a silve platter.
          If there was no American military I am quite sure that we wouldn’t have these problems now.
          Who was instrumental in aiding these savages? Yes, you guessed it, the US.
          Who was training and supporting the Taliban when Russia tried to fix that problem?
          Who ousted Saddam, Gaddafi and almost Assad?

          Consistency, Peggy, consistence – if you said that we in the West don’t actually have the right of choice then you can’t blame the West in general or the US, just the people who made those decisions – there’s plenty of things where we don’t have a saying in, remember?

        • gerard says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 12:11 am

          “Democracy requires that freedom, that liberty, is highly valued. The Russians are dismal here.”
          Hi Wellington, Are we not here speaking of a Russia that suffered seventy years of brutal Communism? Would you say this of pre-revolutionary Russia, the Russia of Tolstoy, of Dostoievsky?..Or would you argue that Russia under the Tsars was just as “dismal” visavis a love of liberty? Also the many dissidents who struggle to survive under these repressive regimes show the torch of freedom still burning, yes/no?

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 7:54 am

          True, have a Latvian number of friends. But for the time being we need Russia to do the dirty work of dealing with ISLAM as we do China. Then we will see how to mount the next problem.

        • Lasslax says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 8:13 am

          I do agree very much to your description. Actually I agree almost everything except one: the REASON to all of it.
          I do NOT believe in national character, there is nothing written in the DNA of Russians or arabs or muslims or hindus or chinese or whatever.
          The reason to why Russian, arabs, some black Africans can’t have a democracy of the western type is partly historical, partly sociological (also a derivate of the history) and cultural.
          A person born of arabic or russien parents but raised in USA among common people, will be no different from anyone else with local origin.
          The problem is easily explained with Marx. Yes, Karl Marx. He was not an idiot at all, the way many learned about him got it distorted of Lenin.
          Marx descibes the development of the association pretty well from the ancient till the 1800s. The development of the classes, the social rules, the content of the classes, their interactions – all you will find it in a line, step by step.
          What you CAN NOT do is to jump over one or two steps. You can’t gp to modern capitalism (globalism?) from feodalism (as in Russia) or from Middle Age as in the arabic countries. The social inertia is huge, it needs several generations to close in.
          And this is the core of the mistake with the Arabic Spring, the removing of the less dangerouse dictators to leave an anarchy behind.
          Also this was a mistake of Lenin, when he tried to jump over the the capitalistic phase and right into the “socialism”. We all know how it went.
          I hope it will help Peggy to understand what I’m saying instead of finding my opinions root in my origin. FYI I’m not Hungarian as my origin, I’m a mix of serbian, croatioan, hungarian, german and jew – as far as I know, and there may be even more.
          But I lived most of my life in Sweden.

        • Lasslax says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 11:50 am

          “Marx descibes the development of the association”
          supposed to be
          Marx descibes the development of the society

  8. Vizard says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 5:22 pm

    The problem with modern politicians in the west, is they appear to have little knowledge of world history, when all the trouble in the Middle East kicked off, I assumed our politicians knew what they were doing, since then I have been studying the history of Europe and the middle East since Islam first appeared up to modern times ( in my own time) and now I think how could they not have foreseen this ? If we don’t study history, we are doomed to repeat it !

  9. Bill Ghoat says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 6:17 pm

    I cannot find anything I can disagree with stated by Putin

  10. Kepha says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    The O administration’s making nice with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the rebellion in Syria was an attempt to get on the right side of “the wave of the future”, not matter how much that “wave of the future” (think Mao Zedong and Kim Il Sung ca. 1949) hates us for what we are as much as or more than for anything we’ve done.

    As for Putin, i admit that as one shaped by the Cold War, it is very hard for me to trust an old Kagaybaynik. However, he does seem to have a plan that may be more credible than the O administration’s ill-advised gamble that failed.

  11. Voytek Gagalka says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    It is unbelievable! Is Russia and Putin the only voices of reason left in this crazy world, or what?

  12. Nora says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    America was providing weapons to the opposition trying to get Bashar Al Assad out of his seat. It DID NOT WORK. The opposition took the America weapons and turned them to ISIS. America NEVER LEARNS FROM ITS PAST MISTAKES.

    Now that Putin is in Syria helping Bashar ( a great president, may I add) America is up in arms again.

    America has such a damaged reputation in the Middle East now. Nobody but Putin can clean this mess. Go for it Putin.

    • Myxlplik says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      Don’t forget for decades now Muslims have been telling us that they hate us due to our support of dictators, the people of the Middle East got exactly what they asked for. Freedom.

      • Myxlplik says

        Sep 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm

        This is what free Muslims look like.

    • Peggy says

      Sep 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      Creating this mess was a grand design and they don’t want anyone to clean it up.
      Watch them now try to trip Putin up and accuse him of eating babies if need be.
      MH17 wouldn’t be the first false flag. Elites are determined to create a different world and they have powerful wapons for that. Unfortuantely people are ready to gobble up anything they read in the media so they can’t see what their own government is doing and more importantly why.

      • gerard says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        Hi Peggy. Washington’s Avoid foreign entanglements… Nowadays this is not just forgotten but laughed at. When US gets involved, under the current admin anyway, it almost always aids the wrong side and is slow to act when evil is obvious as with the current ISIS abomination. What is really depressing is that nothing seems to be learned from mistakes but the mistakes are repeated with gusto. Sadly Nonie Darwish is right when she says that muslim states need a (non-cleric) dictator. How many times have we seen a dictator removed from power in a muslim country and all hell breaks loose? We could at least talk with these dictators. There is no talking with Isis.

  13. Bezelel says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    I’m certain that this outcome was predictable to the instigators of arab spring. Benghazi wasn’t just a bunch of movie critics out for a stroll who decided to stage a protest. What difference does it make Now?

  14. Angemon says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    As much as I loathe the walking example of atavism, he got the gist of it correctly.

  15. Alice says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    Bravo, Mr. Putin!

  16. Custos Custodum says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    Actually, the “Arab Spring” fomented by Valerie Jarrett, Samantha Power and the other power-grabbing harpies has been SPECTACULARLY SUCCESSFUL in creating a tidal wave of young Muslim men whom Angela Merkel and her cabal were ordered to let into Europe.

    The aim is to ensure that the few remaining voices criticizing supremacist Islam and One-World totalitarianism are smothered. The few Western Europeans still inclined to speak up against their elites will be made to shut up and care will be taken to ensure that they “feel themselves subdued” as required by Qur’anic doctrine.

    Meanwhile, North Africa and the Middle East have been rendered safe for “revolutionary” Islamic movements who are after Barack Hussein Obama’s liking.

  17. Shenaniganist says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    “And then pointed at the US delegation adding ‘Bunch of morons the lot of you'”

  18. awake says

    Sep 28, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    Seriously, Putin is an absolute terrorist and dictator is his own right. He was merely taking another free pot-shot at Obama specifically, (and rightfully so), but let’s not pretend he is the next Geert Wilders, or Robert Spencer for that matter. Political convenience and preservation of his own absolute power are all his concern.

    The betterment of world affairs, outside of Mother Russia, are not at all his concern. In fact, they are collectively nothing more than incidences that he may or may not have to deal with, in the foreseeable future.

    As others on this thread have alluded to, it is truly sad that Putin can appear as a voice of reason and wisdom at the UN, but compared to the current ham-hander-in-chief of the US, it is about as complex to him as shooting fish in a barrel.

    That said, let’s cease and desist with the Putin hero-worship, shall we?

    To date, what has HE done besides voice an empty support of Assad? Where is he in this campaign against, “violence, poverty and social disaster”?

  19. Matthieu Baudin says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 12:10 am

    “No one but President (Bashar) Assad’s armed forces and Kurdish militia are truly fighting the Islamic State and other terrorist organizations in Syria,” he said… He proposed a “generally broad international coalition against terrorism,” likening the suggestion to the anti-Hitler coalition that brought together disparate interests to battle fascism in Europe…”

    These are welcome comments and on the right track. For the initiative to get traction the fighting in the Eastern Ukraine needs to quieten down further and draw to a close in order to lift the level of trust and unity within Europe. Russia also has an important diplomatic role to bring the largely secular neighbouring states of Syria and Israel much closer towards normal relations.

    The courage and fortitude of Russian and other Soviet combatants during WW2 will never be forgotten and it may be that Damascus will become the turning point in this conflict, mirroring in symbolism the herculean effort to hold Volgograd (formally Stanlingrad).

  20. Alex says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 2:47 am

    I don’t know where my comment went (possibly got deleted because I was replying to someone) so I’ll repost it here:

    This conflict has no solution. On one hand you have Assad, a mass murderer with strong ties to Iran and muslim shiite militias coming to kill “infidels”(Sunnis and the rest)
    On the other hand, you have sunni takfiris coming to kill “infidels” and Shiites.

    A lot of people want to blame us or Israel for this mess, but the truth is that mess was created by Mo and his companions 1,400 years ago.

  21. Jack says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:34 am

    It’s pretty bad when Russian President Putin speaks the truth, tells the world, let alone the American people, the bad things America has engaged in ans caused, and he is right about it. And the guilty party of it all is Obama, Valerie Jarret, Susan Rice, Hillary Rotten Clinton, John Kerry in the Senate and after as SoS. They together have literally schemed, plotted, and executed, thus destroyed the world’s stability in the Middle East, that was very fragile to begin with, and has literally led to the start of world wide mass chaos. Obama is literally lighting fuses all over the Middle East and the world, let alone enabling Iran to mass produce nuclear bombs to attack and destroy Israel and America with, aiding and abetting Iran to committ more terrorism by liftiung US and UN Sanctions, giving them over a 150 BILLION US tax dollars facilitate it all to completion, all the whil he is supporting Iran, Obama support ISIS financially and militarily to conquer and destroy eveything and everyone in Iraq, to Syria, to Lybia, Asia Minor, even into Europe. Obama, Jarret, Rice, Hillary, and Kerry should be arrested, tried and jailed in a US Military Tribunal for Treaon and Sedition.

  22. epistemology says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:53 am

    Although I disagree with his supporting Assad and being entwined with the Iranians, I think Putin is 100% right about the Arab spring. Whatever you think about the Russians, we need them on board to fight barbarism.They’re as much European as we are.

  23. joaquin says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 4:53 am

    “Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster — and nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life. I cannot help asking those who have forced that situation: Do you realize what you have done?”

    No, they don’t realize what they have done, and they’re poised to do more of it. And those of us who warned at the time that the “Arab Spring” would not lead to “the triumph of democracy and progress,” but to “violence, poverty and social disaster,” were dismissed and derided as racist, bigoted “Islamophobes.” And no matter how often the establishment analysts get things wrong, and disastrously, fatally so, they never get called to account, and keep applying the same failed solutions over and over again.

    !!!!!
    Everything right on the spot.
    Excellent speech, Mr. Putin!!!
    I totally agree with you apart from you addressing the UN representatives with “Your Excellencies and Distinguished Heads of State”. This, of course, is a gross lie!!!

  24. Jack says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 5:52 am

    It’s pretty bad when Russian President Putin speaks the truth, tells the world and the American people the bad things America-ie; Obama, has engaged in the Middle East, thus caused all of what is now happening in Syria, and he is right. And the guilty party of it all is Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, Hillary Rotten Clinton, as well as John McCain and John Kerry in the Senate, then Kerry as SoS. Together have literally schemed, plotted, and executed their meddling of Syria, via Libya, along with Egypt-which eventually failed, ie; the so called Arab Spring uprising, that which Obama and Hillary’s shipping of military arms from Libya to Syria-under the supervision direction of the CIA, which was a key factor in the Benghazi Terrorists to attack and murder our U.S. Ambassador and 3 Consulate Security personnel, thus destroyed what was a somewhat stable Middle East which was already fragile to begin with, and has literally led to the start of world wide mass chaos.

    Obama is literally lighting fuses all over the Middle East and the world, let alone enabling Iran to mass produce nuclear bombs to attack and destroy Israel and America with, aiding and abetting Iran to commit more terrorism by lifting US and UN Sanctions, giving them over a 150 BILLION US tax dollars facilitate it all to completion, all the while he is supporting Iran, Obama support ISIS financially and militarily to conquer and destroy everything and everyone in Iraq, to Syria, to Libya, Asia Minor, even into Europe. Obama, Jarrett, Rice, Hillary, and Kerry should be arrested, tried and jailed in a US Military Tribunal for Treason and Sedition.

  25. Peggy says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 7:14 am

    boris99 says

    September 29, 2015 at 4:37 am

    ” But if you want to know what is actually happening in Russia and Ukraine, I encourage you to visit the website of RT.”.

    No.
    RT is the mouthpiece of Putins dictatorship.
    ========================
    Unlike CNN or BBC who are impartial. Yeah, you got him.

  26. Andy says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 8:26 am

    Could it be our Heavenly Father is mustering his armies, there’s a lot of biblical events coming together, a mass exodus of people fleeing to safety, maybe God wants them out of there, those poor Christians being slaughtered and driven up the mountain by ISIS and the western world did nothing, Jonah’s temple being blown up by ISIS and again the western world did nothing, our leaders worshiping power and money before him, oppressing the hirelings in their wages, he can make the blind see, the lame walk, his favourite way of making us sit up and listen is to turn things on there heads, so I’m sure turning a dictator into a saint is well with in his capabilities, God Bless you for making a stand Putin, keep praying and listening to him, he will guide you, and the rest of us, We need to pick up our swords of faith and make our voices heard against our dictators, fill our churches and praise the Lord, Amen

  27. Sven E. Borg says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 9:29 am

    I strongly agree with Putin! And I highly regret that the West is governed by so many dilettantes when it comes to handling national and international conflicts. All these vested interests have increasingly taken command over the situation, forcing out everything connected with professionel diplomacy. Instead these world leaders give more or less evident support to all kinds of instigators of chaos and violance, so called “activists”.
    I really hope that we now will see a lot more of competent diplomats on the different conflict scenes. And on the same time taking down all these destructive vested interests.
    The “Arab Spring” is a complete failure. Does somebody need more evidence?

  28. km says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 9:57 am

    He already knew about the Islam(e) invasion. Putin is playing a deceptive game! A leopard doesn’t change his spots!

    • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      Leopards do not change their spots, he is so shrewd one needs to be an expert chess player to anticipate his every move. He has caused panic in Israel because Iranians are at the border of Syria backing onto ISRAEL. Before I go any further I need to establish I am a Jewess and back ISRAEL. But in this instance Israel stand back watch as you have on the UKRAINE issue. Don’t loose your cool, Putin is even way ahead of my favorite Statesman BBN. Hold firm and do NOT panic.

      • Dr. Divinity says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 5:39 pm

        A prophecy….Russia will lead a muslim army to fight Israel

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 5:46 pm

          I disagree, Mr. Divinity the prophecy if you read carefully talks about the demise of ISLAM not ISRAEL.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 8:12 pm

          If you check history you will see that Orthodox people have never been on the same side with Muslims. They have always fought Muslims because Islam has always tried to occupy them.
          Actually it’s the Catholics who were on the same side with Muslims at one time. During WW2 Croatians, Germans, Albanians, Bosnian Muslims, Hungarians, Italians and Latvians were allied with Hitler.
          Now knowing that Hitler and Islam have tried to get rid of the Jews and it was Soviet Union which liberated Auschwitz we can safely say that Russia will not be leading any Muslim army.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 1:53 am

          The Protocols of the Elders of Zion came out of Russia in 1903 and were used in pogroms against the Jews, in Russia–where thousands of Jews died or had to flee….and of course it made its way to Germany. Besides a long history of antisemitism there is the later anti-Zionism of the USSR and the role the Soviets played in the beginnings of Muslim terrorism in the 20th century. The KGB trained and armed the Palestinian groups and Arafat was their man. In that sense, they were already leading a Muslim army. The PLO would in turn train terrorists like Imad Mughniyeh, who would in turn help train the al Qaeda generation. The KGB were around for the birth of this shit we are living with today.

          The communist regime of the USSR was a criminal enterprise, let’s not forget, and Putin was a KGB officer for 16 years. He is on record saying the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century. Hardly a condemnation of the crimes of that regime. He may be making a correct assessment of our disastrous policies but as for making him our next hero, caveat emptor.

        • Avenger says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 10:07 pm

          A 5th grader has more credibility here than you Dr Divinity. Russia may be the country that turns the Islamic tide!

  29. duh_swami says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 9:57 am

    The community organizer and his henchwoman, directly and violently interfered with the affairs of sovereign nations the US was not at war with. They engineered the removal of the ‘strong men’ rulers…Mubarak must go, and he went, Qaddafi must go, and he went, Abbas must go, and they are still working on that.They have never adequately explained to the American people exactly why they did all that…Samantha Power came up with ‘the responsibility to protect’…Used only once in Libya…It authorized killing Libyans to save Libyans…
    Of course they realize what they have done, but will lie about it if asked.

    • Jim Mooney says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 10:14 pm

      As I recall, Libya was a prosperous, well-educated, middle-class nation with good wages, freedom for women, and great social programs. Now it’s an Islamist hellhole. We sure “freed” them ;’)

      • Peggy says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 7:33 am

        Iraq was a normal civilized country too. Woman were encouraged to go to universities and people lived normally.
        Look at it now.
        Someone is happy about the outcome but who and why? Who had the most to gain by displacing so many radical Muslims and sending them to Europe?

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 10:12 am

          Absolutely so Peggy, the US in fact is a puppet of the House of Saud. How the hell else did such a nation lacking in human rights be elected to the UN Human Rights Counsel? Iraq’s Hussein’s first target was Sunni Kuwaiti Oil fields and why? The Wahhabi/Sunni Islamists have been controlling world finance and Oil production for years in an insidiously stealth manner. This third Caliphate has been brewing for years. Putin or as some academics here would prefer to call Putin ‘Ivan the Terrible’ is the only ruthless tough guy around right now that can escalate a war from Syria into the middle east right across the ISLAMIC world and cut straight into Saudi, Pakistan, Afghanistan and the rest of the far east under Moslem control. I personally think this is where China comes in. Why else is China in the Levant? Islam can only be beaten by a massive coalition which will probably exclude the States. Have we not all noticed how puppet Obama skirts around issues to do with the mid east – take Benghazi just as an example this happened after Qaddafi had been assassinated. There is definitely a shift in power on the cards.

  30. jeanie says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 3:19 pm

    I agree with Putin. I wish he was our leader!

    • UA says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      Gosh, you want Putin as your leader just because of his approach on Islam? You need to realize he is willingly killing Christians in Ukraine for his own ambitions as we speak. He is not the savior here. He is a bully.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 8:14 pm

        There is basically a civil war going on in Ukraine. Pro Russian SEPARATISTS who are citizens of Ukraine and Ukranians loyal to your current Nazi president backed by US.
        A situation like that is not one sided.

        • UA says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          Again, your words is like an echo of disinformation streaming from every channel in Russia and its outreach. Give me a break with this ‘Nazi’ name calling. Can you back it up? You might as well move straight to Russia, enjoy your stay:)

      • Peggy says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 10:30 pm

        UA says

        September 29, 2015 at 9:37 pm

        Again, your words is like an echo of disinformation streaming from every channel in Russia and its outreach. Give me a break with this ‘Nazi’ name calling. Can you back it up? You might as well move straight to Russia, enjoy your stay:)
        ————————————
        I might have to or at least my kids will have to one day. Imagine becoming refugees and running to Russia.
        The west might be so overrun with Muslims that we won’t be safe any longer.
        Maybe your kids will have to do the same so ease up on Putin.

        • UA says

          Sep 29, 2015 at 10:48 pm

          Peggy, Putin is not your friend. You have false illusions.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 7:40 am

          Too true Peggy Russia is all we’ve got right now and possibly China. Half the folks here have no idea just how much control Islam has world wide. The moslem crap invading out shores are ISLAM’s foot soldiers, cannon fodder. Obama is merely a puppet of the Saudi Kingdom and the rest of Islamic Kingdoms, it astonishes me no one has been able to see it. Europe clings to the US because for years we owed the US billions for WWII. I wonder how many remember the UK alone just paid off its mortgage to the US over a 65 year period. Fort Knox is probably the biggest bullion safe world wide. Russia’s risk in taking on ISLAM and ultimately the Islamic US president is a tough order. None of us have any idea what backs Russian currency apart from OIL. Russian diamonds is considered second rate as is probably Russian gold. And who owns the mines in Africa? Largely US corporations and the US has a moslem in the White House. This does not make for a pretty picture of our future. Islam has to be routed to deprive it of its world power in the money markets, commodities and the rest.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 12:44 am

        UA says

        September 29, 2015 at 10:48 pm

        Peggy, Putin is not your friend. You have false illusions.
        —————————–
        I agree but neither is the current PM of Australia. None of them are our friends. It’s just a matter of where we are going to be better off in the future and by the way Islam is invading the west I have to be open to all possibilities.

        • UA says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 10:28 am

          I see your point. But there will be another way out. Turning to a tyran is not one of them. People are waking up in the face of Islamic threat, extremely slowly, yes, but their eyes are opening. We all have to work in that direction. The freedom will come at a very heavy cost.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 10:39 am

          UA what’s with you, without a real ruthless tough Guy to lead against ISLAM nothing will be achieved. If you want to tell us you are conscientious objector fine by us. Look where lilly livered woolly headed liberals have got us? Time for the cull! What do you do with an enormous herd of Deer a forest can no longer sustain? Well this is what Islam has become just as Quadaffi warned us not to mention one or two others.

      • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 10:19 am

        UA you are almost as dumb as the leaders of the EU and Scandinavia, namely Mogherini (Italian) Merkel (Protestant Matron) Lofven Swedish Trade union PM. They are really small potatoes in the big scheme but the majority of the electorate now are getting the picture. Not only will there be war on a major scale in the middle east but the European and Scandinavian electorate will be taking the law into their own hands and I wouldn’t mind betting with Hungary taking up the lead and our own military taking Orders from the only PM in Europe with a brain.

        • UA says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 11:24 am

          Vivienne, did I say that Islam is not a major threat. No. If I was as dumb as your EU leadrers I would be on this post trying to educate dumbies like you on other threats like Russia is. This ruthless tough guy doesn’t give a crap about you and he won’t be your savior. Dont go from one extreme to the other. Or maybe you should have a taste of what life is like in Russia. Trust me you won’t like it. The only good thing about Putin is that he is not Muslim. That’s is it.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 12:04 pm

          You clearly have not read my summary about the real power games in the middle east and how we came to this impasse. This has been going on since ’73 and Russia has learned from its mistakes in Afghanistan in ’79 to 89. Now at this time we do not have a dumb communist President running Russia. Indeed we have what some might call an ‘Ivan the Terrible’ well as a comparison I’d sooner have Ghenghis Kahn annihilating Islam and this is how I see Putin. We will not defeat Islam and its notion for a third Caliphate ruled by Wahhabi Islam which is the predominant form of ISLAM right now. So Putin the shrewd chess player has IRAN eating out of his hand! How long do think Putin will feed the Ayatollah’s? What is China, Russia, India and Far east’s biggest problem? Wahhabi Islam. I have already pointed out the Gulf States and Saudi gold and silver dinar backs a united Arabic paper form of money being sold on the currency markets. Under commodities comes food stuffs and OIL. Have you not read that one of ambitions of ISIS (backed by SAUDI and the US covertly) is to starve 500 million humans world wide. Now how are they going to do that? Phosphate is a major fertilizer and there’s lots of in the middle east he who controls the market controls the world. Same goes for Bullion silver and gold. Like I said if you can think of anyone as ruthless as Putin I am open to suggestion. Lately I haven’t seen anyone around who will take the risk ally itself to an age old enemy namely China to rid the world of ISLAM.

        • UA says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 1:34 pm

          These power games are certainly making Putin even hungrier. Oh I have an idea! Yeah, just throw Ukraine to the Lion maybe that will stop his appetite. To the heck with Ukrainians, right? They are not your people, the lives of 15000 Ukrainians in just 2 years means nothing to anyone. Why would it? That would go against the image you are working on for Putin the Great as a savior from Islam! Now, everyone shush, let’s all close our eyes and pretend it’s Ukrainians killing each other, so we all can sleep tight waiting for Putin the Great to come to our rescue.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 5:36 pm

          UA all I want to see is the demise of Wahhabi ISLAM & Saudi’s strangle hold on the rest of the world. If this means Russia does the job I don’t give a damn. No one else has the guts. As I have already stated Putin will deal with the mad mullahs in the coming weeks maybe months. I am old enough to remember the fall of the Shah and before you accuse me of backing a monster for imprisoning traitors check out who the traitors were? Disgruntled extreme Moslems as in Afghanistan. Lets leave it, if you can come up with a better man to lick Islam I will listen.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 11:42 am

          What gives you the idea that Putin is going to “lick Islam” or “rid the world of Islam” or anything like it? Did Putin bomb ISIS the other day? Who was it he bombed? Do you like and prefer Iran? Because Putin does. He has a strategic alliance with Iran, they are the “ground troops” here. Russia has interests in Syria and in preserving Assad. If Putin were to make a real concerted effort to defeat and destroy the Islamic State I would be the first to commend it, any evidence of that yet? Even in that unlikely event
          I don’t assume the end result would be other than exchanging Islamic black shirts for Islamic brown shirts. But if Putin is the great Christian Warrior come to smite Islam I assume he’ll be proving it soon??

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 1:24 pm

          To quote Jack Diamond “The communist regime of the USSR was a criminal enterprise, let’s not forget, and Putin was a KGB officer for 16 years. He is on record saying the fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century. Hardly a condemnation of the crimes of that regime. He may be making a correct assessment of our disastrous policies but as for making him our next hero, caveat emptor.”

          Couldn’t bring up your latest comment in which you imply I am a) and idiot b) Christian having said this let me go on. BTW the US has a moslem for a President put in by the Islamic Royals, plenty of Senators take bribes from the OIL producing mid east.

          As I see it there isn’t another applicant right now to take down all Terrorist Groups (Nursra front one of the targets hit) you need to remind yourself all Salafists what ever name they give themselves (this is to confuse the rest of us who can’t cut through the crap) are all part of ISIS including the Free Syrian Army whom Obama has funded and equipped – the same launched a chemical attack last year on civilians. True moslems are killing moslems so what’s new? My hunch is and you and all will disagree an experienced ex-KGB operative like a CIA operative knows all the angles how to make nuts like Rouhani and the rest disappear in a plausible manner. I suspect this Syrian war will escalate across the mid east Israel excluded of course. I do believe some awful slanderous book (you mention Elder of Zyon) came out of Russia and was to persecute Jews. How long have we been persecuted? Precisely why ISRAEL is the national home of the Judaic people and ain’t nobody not even Putin gonna deprive us of this. You got a better alternative for putting Islam out of action I am all ears.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm

          My comment followed “Peggy” and her reference to Russia. I wasn’t implying you were a Christian, I was simply addressing something many Christian admirers of Putin have been saying, emphasizing his Orthodoxy. I was also clearing up a misconception that Russia was a friend to the Jews (or Israel) and pointing out that the USSR was deeply involved in modern Muslim terrorism. I was also implying Putin was and is KGB. You think that is a good thing, I do not. I have yet to see the evidence that Putin is going to put Islam “out of action” and certainly do not see how favoring Iran does that either (what makes you think he is interested in making Rouhani or the Mullahs disappear?) We can speculate endlessly but we’ll soon see. If Putin takes on the Islamic State directly and decisively I will compliment you on your discernment.

  31. David Darman says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    But, but, as leader of a Communist government isn’t Putin a lefty? You mean that not all leftists are dhimmis? So then , stop saying that only leftists are dhimmis. Rework the vocabulary. Recapture the progressives who agree that Islam is a problem, and it’s not extreme Islam, it’s mainstream Islam that is the problem. And stop trying to be so diplomatic. Muslims, if they adhere to this ideology, ARE ALSO A PROBLEM. It’s not only Islam. It’s muslims, too. Can I say that?

    • Jim Mooney says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 10:18 pm

      You’re joking, right? Communism and the USSR died long ago. It’s a minority party in Russia. The thieving oligarchs Putin jailed, were destroying Russia in the name of crony capitalism.

  32. alyn21 says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Putin is no saint but right now he is all we got

  33. Peggy says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    Lasslax said”

    “A person born of arabic or russien parents but raised in USA among common people, will be no different from anyone else with local origin”
    =======================
    Are you for real?
    Show me people of Russian origin trying to kill everyone who isn’t. Russians have assymilated very nicely in the west but have a look at the Arabs.
    If you hate Russians that much that you can’t see this one simple fact and lump them in the same category as Arabs then your arguments don’t have any value at all because they are clearly based on bias.
    You may have all those ethnic backgrounds but I am quite sure there is one or two only which are dominant. My guess is that it’s Hungarian/Croatian one.

    • Angemon says

      Sep 29, 2015 at 8:38 pm

      Peggy, I believe you misunderstood Lasslax’s point. From what i read, it seems his point is that there’s no genetic reason for Arabs, or Russians, or Chinese, etc., that instinctively makes them band together with their own ethnicity and defend the principles we associate with each of them. Hence his example of a Russian or Arab raised in America by local folk being, ideologically, indistinguishable from average Americans – the Russian wouldn’t go “Long live Stalin and the motherland, you capitalist pigs” and the Arab wouldn’t go “I kill you, infidels – allahu akbar” because they weren’t raised that way.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 29, 2015 at 10:37 pm

        If that’s the case then how do you explain a second or third generation Arab continuing to be radical or even more so than the previous generation while a second or third generation Russian is more likely to be indistinguishable and even more ethnically mixed?
        I know you say that it’s not in their DNA but centuries of breeding in a certain way sticks. It makes it hard to separate the two.

        • Lasslax says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 1:53 am

          Now this is racism.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 4:41 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “If that’s the case then how do you explain a second or third generation Arab continuing to be radical or even more so than the previous generation while a second or third generation Russian is more likely to be indistinguishable and even more ethnically mixed?”

          For the same reason non-Arab Chechens are “radicalized”: culture & education – having an Arab raised by muslims in America is not the same as having an Arab raised by average Americans in American. I shouldn’t have to be stressing this out after saying “raised in America by local folk” – unless, of course, you consider “local American folk” as being devout muslims.

      • Lasslax says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 1:50 am

        Exactly what I said. Did I formulate me wrong somehow that Peggy could misinterpret?
        I have a feeling that she regularly finds a way to misinterpret a lot about Russia. And always the same way.

    • Lasslax says

      Sep 30, 2015 at 2:35 am

      “You may have all those ethnic backgrounds but I am quite sure there is one or two only which are dominant. My guess is that it’s Hungarian/Croatian one.”

      This is racism. People having no arguments often fall back on this kind of “arguments”.

      You sound a lot like Putins “IT-army” that involves on many discussion forums to defend and propagate for Putins regime.

      • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 5:22 am

        Lasslax, if you can suggest a better alternative than Putin to deal with ISLAM I am open to ideas?

        What some extremely erudite Professors and academics forget here – is the history of Islam and in particular the modern history of Saudi and the Gulf States. Soros (the sly Jew) is a key figure in Saudi money fraud and a number of banks opened up in the Gulf and Saudi, it has been announced the Islamic Gold and Silver Dina will be a valuable coinage. Already the UK Banks are trading middle east paper money backed by the gold and silver Dina. Whose controlling the flow of money right now? We are about to enter another fall in the markets.

        FYI Lasslax a large proportion of Christians and other ethnic minorities have already been slaughtered in the Middle East. The wave of so called immigrants drowning the shores of Europe and Scandinavia are armies of healthy fit young Moslem males under instruction to wage Rape Jihad and Hijjra on Europe/Scandinavia. All these moslem’s are planning to claim welfare and spend their day waging Jihad. Thus bankrupting European/Scandinavian countries as fewer and fewer jobs are available ergo no taxes paid!

        Have you not seen the millions of moslems bowing to Mecca in our European squares? Milan Cathedral is a perfect example.

        Do you really believe Putin is going to be dominated by the Iranian Ayatollah’s? He is ruthless and ex KGB do you think he will not find a plausible method of dealing with most of the current administration in IRAN? Annihilating Israel is self defeating, Israel will have no problem doing OIL deals with Russia or China. You do know both Egypt and Israel have now found substantial Oil fields off their coasts? There is another way of looking at this. Putin decimates ISLAM as the YANKS have been doing for years. Like the US Putin backs a soft option to govern defeated middle eastern nations thereby maintaining control. The US has had expansionist ideals since WWII, before the British Empire & Commonwealth. We have been living under IMPERIAL US. All Empires fall as will Putin’s eventually but for the time being his purpose is to annihilate ISLAM and if this end is achieved then so be it.

        • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 5:28 am

          Correction where is the edit button? Putin decimates ISLAM. Like the US Putin backs a soft option to govern defeated middle eastern nations thereby maintaining control. THE YANKS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. One mid east nation wanted to deal in Petro Euro’s but the YANKS put a stop to this, not a well known fact but true nevertheless.

        • Lasslax says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 4:20 pm

          I really don´t believe you followed my discussion with Peggy.
          Your whole posting is non sequitur.
          She claims that a person born with certain ethnicity carries in his/her genetic code to be a murderer and such rubbish. I called it racism and I stand for that!

          What YOU talk about:
          I agree with Putin that US and UK and France did not understand what they did when they initiated and supported and celebrated the “arab spring”.
          If Putin would be the right person and Russia the country to solve the situation – I doubt it. They are just fishing in muddy water.
          The problem as I see is not solvable without a very oppressiv system to install in this region to FORCE these people to put down their wapens. Democracy or external military won´t work. A local dictator using force will be the solution, you´ll see.
          It´s not what I´d prefer, but their tribal culture and medival religion gives no other choice.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 30, 2015 at 7:39 am

        Yeah sure that’s it. You got me.
        BTW, what I said about Arabs and DNA is not racist. It’s true.
        Are you actually going to defend Arabs here now? Are you going to tell me not to be racist against Arabs?
        Which side are you on?
        Oh let me think, any side but Putin’s. Now your bias is showing.

        • Lasslax says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 4:28 pm

          Yes you ARE a racist. I have no problem with arabs as long they are christians, ateists, budhist or believe in the Galactic Spirit or whatever.
          My problem is the fascistic ideoligy called ISLAM and their followers, the MUSLIMS, wther they are arabs or germans or persians or pakistanies or whatever NATIONALITY or ETHNCITY these persons may have.

          Do you get it? If not, never mind, I´m not going to explain it again.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 30, 2015 at 4:46 pm

          Peggy posted:

          “BTW, what I said about Arabs and DNA is not racist. It’s true.”

          Nope. It’s true that second or third generation muslim Arabs in the US tend to be (seemingly) more “radicalized” than their parents. But you have not proven it’s because of their DNA rather than because of their education and upbringing.

  34. islan is the Hateful Religion of Peace says

    Sep 29, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    I think Putin intends to create a “void” so he can fill it … ??

  35. Peggy says

    Sep 30, 2015 at 7:41 am

    Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

    September 30, 2015 at 5:28 am

    Correction where is the edit button? Putin decimates ISLAM. Like the US Putin backs a soft option to govern defeated middle eastern nations thereby maintaining control. THE YANKS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS. One mid east nation wanted to deal in Petro Euro’s but the YANKS put a stop to this, not a well known fact but true nevertheless.
    ——————————
    So glad you said that. When I tried to tell people that Russia has nothing on US I was told that I hate the west.
    Telling the inconvenient truth does not sit well with some.
    They are all as bad as each other and we have to decide which side is on our side now.
    It certainly looks like the west has served us on a silver platter to Islam. In that case I refuse to be on that side until the traitors on that side are all strung up.

  36. Peggy says

    Sep 30, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    Vivienne said:
    “Islam can only be beaten by a massive coalition which will probably exclude the States”
    —————————————
    That is painfully obvious now. We can live with that as long as the US get out of the way if they don’t want ot help. I suspect the US will stand it’s ground and keep bakcing the Islamists which will make the world a much more dangerous place.
    The Elites have worked extremely hard to achieve this much and they won’t just get out of the way.
    BRICS is very likely going to be human salvation. Pity that the US has dug itself in so deep now because it would take a miracle for it to change course.

    Maybe if the good people of America had a revolution and finally dealt with the traitors and joined BRICS we could deal with this Cancer once and for all. Obama has made sure he got rid of anyone important enough who could hinder him and put his own in key positions

    • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 5:57 am

      Too true Peggy. How the western Propaganda machine went into action last night on Western news stations. Russia killing the innocent bla bla bla. Obama and the administration of the States have been in bed with Saudi Wahhabi Islam they no longer know who they are. The American people like the European & Scandinavian will have to rise and bring down these governments down. Interesting how virtually all over Europe, Scandinavia including the States and EU the average of politicians is just under 40. Do the sums and work out the average others reading this comment.

  37. Raja says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 12:28 pm

    Putin is speaking about the evils that came with “Arab spring”. He is more focused than the slaves of PC culture.

    Soon after the gulf war, 1991 the then president George Bush called for revolt against Saddam and that was brutally suppressed in no time by butchery. Lately, those who hailed Arab spring ended up emboldening Jihadis against repressive leaders like Assad etc.
    What is implied by Putin is that the Muslim world is better off under tyrants and there should have been status quo in the region. But alas you (west) have (unshackled the devil and) brought much misery for the ENTIRE world. Who can find fault with that?

    He needs to go that extra miles if the world has to take him seriously. Simply quit Crimea / Ukraine lock stock and barrel..

    • Jack Diamond says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 1:30 pm

      Let’s not lose sight of the primal fact, it is Islam which is responsible for the backwardness–mental, physical, political, economic, spiritual–of Muslim lands and makes them violent and dangerous places. The reason they are “better off with tyrants” who keep the lid on the barbarism always smoldering underneath, is also Islam. Muslims blame their problems on anything but Islam preferring the most nonsensical conspiracy theory (usually Jews or American “puppet-masters”) but Muslims are responsible for themselves. Even if the Arab Spring “unleashed the devil” the devil holds a Qur’an and follows it and is responsible for bringing misery to the world. The West has certainly enabled it, for reasons both foolish and perfidious, and that needs to be screamed until it stops, but let’s not lose perspective.

      • Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 1:54 pm

        Here here, as far as I am concerned if WWIII is the answer then so be it. 1400 years the world has suffered atrocities inflicted by ISLAM and now it has to stop.

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