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Raymond Ibrahim: Why Hungary’s Victor Orbán Got It Right on Islam

Sep 21, 2015 9:04 am By Raymond Ibrahim

viktor-orban-hungarySome central and east European countries are being criticized by more “progressive” Western nations for not wanting to take in Muslim refugees.

Chief among them is Hungary, specifically in the person of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Western media are characterizing him as “xenophobic,” “full of hate speech,” and Europe’s “creeping dictator.” Sounding like the mafia boss of the Left, the Guardian simply refers to him as a “problem” that needs to be “solved.”

Orbán’s crime is that he wants to secure his nation against Muslims and preserve its Christian identity.  According to Hungary’s prime minister:

Those arriving have been raised in another religion, and represent a radically different culture. Most of them are not Christians, but Muslims.  This is an important question, because Europe and European identity is rooted in Christianity….  We don’t want to criticize France, Belgium, any other country, but we think all countries have a right to decide whether they want to have a large number of Muslims in their countries. If they want to live together with them, they can. We don’t want to and I think we have a right to decide that we do not want a large number of Muslim people in our country. We do not like the consequences of having a large number of Muslim communities that we see in other countries, and I do not see any reason for anyone else to force us to create ways of living together in Hungary that we do not want to see….

The prime minister went on to invoke history—and not in the politically correct way, to condemn Christians and whitewash Muslims, but according to reality:

I have to say that when it comes to living together with Muslim communities, we are the only ones who have experience because we had the possibility to go through that experience for 150 years.

Orbán is referring to Islam’s conquest and occupation of Hungary from 1541 to 1699.  Then, Islamic jihad, terrorism, and Christian persecution were rampant.

Nor was Hungary alone. Much of southeastern Europe and portions of modern day Russia were conquered, occupied, and terrorized by the Turks—sometimes in ways that make Islamic State atrocities seem like child’s play.  (Think of the beheadings, crucifixions, massacres, slave markets, and rapes that have become IS trademarks—but on a much grander scale, and for centuries.)

Still, to Western progressives, such distant memories are lost.  In an article titled “Hungary has been shamed by Viktor Orbán’s government,” the Guardian mocks and trivializes the prime minister’s position:

Hungary has a history with the Ottoman empire, and Orbán is busy conjuring it. The Ottoman empire is striking back, he warns. They’re taking over! Hungary will never be the same again!… Hence the wire; hence the army; hence, as from today, the state of emergency; hence the fierce, unrelenting rhetoric of hatred. Because that is what it has been from the very start: sheer, crass hostility and slander.

Similarly, the Washington Post, after acknowledging that Hungary was once occupied by the Ottomans—though without any mention of the atrocities it experienced—wondered how “it’s somewhat bizarre to think this rather distant past of warlords and rival empires ought to influence how a 21st century nation addresses the needs of refugees.”…  Keep reading

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  1. Devil Dog says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:17 am

    How much more evidence do they need? Just look at Minneapolis. I grew up in the area, and I can tell you that there is a VAST difference between the Muslim Somalis that migrated to the area and the Christian Sudanese that migrated to the Fargo area.

    I’ve lived in both cities, so I can speak from experience. The apartments inhabited by the Somalis are nicknamed the “crack stacks” due to the rampant violence, drugs, rape, robbery, etc. that takes place in and around the area. It’s terrible. Western Union had to stop all wire transfers back to Somalia because too many of them were going straight to Al Shabab.

    It only took 20 years or so for those immigrants to take over. Now they’ve carved out their own damn territory and are living off of their Jizya (welfare payments). Hungary should be applauded for their actions, not chastised. They are an example of common sense among a puddle of ignorance and blindness.

    • Jack says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 10:30 am

      D. Dog I’m very familiar and up to date on what is happening there and you are 100% correct, thanks to the Liberal scum that made it possible. One thing you might not be aware of is that there are two groups Lobbying for more Muslims to come there, there is big money for the groups doing this, one group is part of the Interfaith Movement, the sickening thing is this Interfaith Movement ignores Christians living in the Hell-Holes and is concerned with bringing Muslims here only, of course that government money comes from we the taxpayers, if I had the power I would deport these Vermin along with the Vermin that support them, because they’re even worse.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 11:22 am

        “one group is part of the Interfaith Movement, the sickening thing is this Interfaith Movement ignores Christians living in the Hell-Holes and is concerned with bringing Muslims here only”

        Yes – yet another example of probably thousands one could cite throughout the West over the past 15 years of the privileging by PC MC of one perceived ethnic group (black Somali Muslims) over another (black Somali & Sudanese Christians) – indicating yet again, for the umpteenth time (if one has been paying attention here reading Jihad Watch) the cogency of my thesis about how Muslims have become, in the eyes of our dominant PC MC worldview, the #1 Ethnic Minority Cause to be privileged over all other ethnic minority causes & Leftist causes.

        for more details, see:
        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/the-sad-case-of-mogens-camre-criminalizing-dissent-in-denmark/comment-page-1#comment-1284801

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “indicating yet again, for the umpteenth time (if one has been paying attention here reading Jihad Watch) the cogency of my thesis about how Muslims have become, in the eyes of our dominant PC MC worldview, the #1 Ethnic Minority Cause to be privileged over all other ethnic minority causes & Leftist causes.”

          Huh, no – whoever has been paying attention would know that your “thesis” has been probed, examined and dissected by different users, and it was found wanting. For the Nth+1 time, your “thesis” doesn’t explain why, when faced with people of the same race/ethnicity, Leftists fawn over muslims and dumps non-muslims as if they’re a bad habit.

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 8:27 am

          voegelinian, if your analysis was actually as rock solid as you claim you would not need to repeatedly use words like “cogency” as if by saying so it will make it true.
          Your analysis should be able to speak for itself.

    • Raja says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 2:15 am

      Angel dog,

      Your comment must be a truthful one (as most have similar stories to tell) and is well appreciated ….Thank you for sharing your experience..!!!!

  2. celtic warriorcanada says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:20 am

    It’s encouraging to know that at least a few European leaders know their history and particularly the history of islamic imperialism and its impact on Christianity .I STAND WITH PRIME MINISTER ORBAN !!!

    • sencit says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 10:27 am

      I stand with him too!
      The UK is overflowing with these wretched people.

      • fudge says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 8:06 am

        I am fed up of muslims saying their religious cult is peaceful when it is not

  3. nacazo says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:25 am

    Hmm. I should learn Hungarian. In case I need to move there.

    • Lasslax says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 5:07 pm

      Hungarian is one of the most difficultt languages in the World to learn as an adult.
      A completely different structure then you´ve ever seen.
      On the other hand G.B. Shaw when he studied the language (not learned but sudied!) he regreted not that he couldn´t write his works on Hungarian… 🙂
      So good luck if you will try…

    • Raja says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 2:26 am

      Nacazo,

      Well directed humor….May be Hungary will be the best and ONLY place in all of Europe!!!!!

  4. Jay Boo says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:26 am

    The kowtowing courtiers of Muslims have grown way too accustomed to Islam’s well-manicured filth to be rational.
    Thank you Prime Minister Viktor Orbán for providing a reality check.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 7:03 pm

      Spot-on Jay Boo. Kudos to Prime Minister Viktor Orbán for his courage!

  5. Gary says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:27 am

    Wait. A person that actually leads from a position of intolerance?!

    Victor Orban won’t conform to Sharia Law?!

    You mean Hungary isn’t going to tolerate being told there is no god but Satan?! aaaaa I mean allah.

    Wow!

    There is hope in this world.

  6. Angemon says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:33 am

    Sounding like the mafia boss of the Left, the Guardian simply refers to him as a “problem” that needs to be “solved.”

    A perfectly apt comparison.

    Similarly, the Washington Post, after acknowledging that Hungary was once occupied by the Ottomans—though without any mention of the atrocities it experienced—wondered how “it’s somewhat bizarre to think this rather distant past of warlords and rival empires ought to influence how a 21st century nation addresses the needs of refugees.”

    Bunch of daisy-sniffing hypocrites – how is it that a 21st century nation like the US lets a distant past of slavery influence their social policies? Attend to your own backyard before complaining about the neighbor who lives across town…

    Nations as diverse as Hungary and Myanmar—and leaders as diverse as the Christian Orbán and the Buddhist Wiranthu—are well acquainted with Islam.

    And they (well, their public image) pays the price for it. I can only hope future generations will be kinder to them – and not for the worst possible reason (as in “they tried to warn us, but we didn’t listen”).

    • Lasslax says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm

      Unfortunately Western media often has a hostile approach to Hungary. Specially leftist media.
      Orbán is not really my favorit of several reasons, and yes he hes some selfpolishing style and some dictatoric strives, but one must admit, that he is a rhetorical geniuose, he speaks the way people wants to here and can identify with. And in this particular matter he says and does what most Hungarians think and want.
      He might be less diplomatic, quiet blunt and frank – and also realistic and correct.
      He needs more support from the west, but only gets criticism.

    • sinantara says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 9:25 pm

      Past warlords and empires? And what makes a successful warlord and or empire? It is always a surplus of young men and overpopulation (a relative proportion of numbers, resources, and management of resources) that allows the warlord, usually a tribal leader, to recruit, motivate, arm, organize the young men into an army and march or ride the conquer and occupy the territory of other tribes and peoples. Warlords and empires are not a thing of the far past. Huntington said about Islam’s bloody borders, it is not directly the teachings of Islam but the surplus of young men… The world’s present civilization, global political culture and military technology has made conquest not PC and more difficult. But global population dynamics are not driven by ideology, but by warlords managing testy testosteron. The west has invented soccer to keep their young men’s aggression contained. But Iran and Iraq just waged a bloody war because they could afford it demographically. Saddam was a warlord. Baghdadi is a warlord who wants to establish an empire. He is as homo sapien as for example Attila who was not a learned man but cared for his Huns. But the racist Chinese didn’t consider his humanity, they just built a wall to keep him and his ilk out so when a drought forced the Hiungnu (Huns) to move, they moved westwards. When the refugees entered the lands of the Goths, these kind people made place for them and moved westwards too. However, some Hunnophobic hate spewing people of the far right led by a populist leader called Aethius massacred a number of Hun refugees who wanted to move to France. The Huns let it stand because for they were welcome in, among others Hungary and the young bachelor Huns were soon married with local girls (after burying their fathers and brothers and husbands).

      I don’t need to mention Gengghis Khan and Muhammad, they were warlords who happened to have enough young men at a testosteron age to built empires. But what the Mongols lacked was a grand strategy to embed their conquests in an ideology of hegemony. The Romans had one, pax Romana. The west used ‘western civilization’ (as opposed to certain local customs like cannibalism, human sacrifice, widow burning, head hunting, etc., which all should be allowed in a MC society, including genital mutilation, public flogging and stoning). However, the west then proceeded to commit political and cultural suicide because their psychology lagged behind military technology. So they spend their youth and will to fight between 18 and 45 and lost their empire(s).

      The baby boom restored some numbers but then the west wanted to be good, so good that they decided to commit demographic suicide (ZPG) singing songs like “ten billion people”. Also, they became wellfaring andd developed aggression management systems like soccer and video games. But there is always a number of young people who are difficult to manage because of social cultural reasons, and traditionally they are absorbed in the army (after harvest) or by gangs (the warlords are called mafia bosses, who go on to built empires, to the point that the cocaine cartels try to take over states. Some are recruited by the Hell Angels, some by the IS, and some by the YKK (what the Kurds need is a corps of good image, communication experts and campaign managers. Youtube is doing a good job with featuring the pretty Kurdish female fighters, so a number of young men have already gone that direction.

      The pope could play a key role in calling for a Christian revival–but he is a castrate, not a warlord at all. I don’t say he should call for a new crusade, but he can do it by sublimation–like starting a Save the Christians campaign, instead of that he is…saving Muslims.’

      But to make short of the long, we are not talking about warlords and empire as if these are fossils, they are part and parcel of humanity (if I say human nature the left will be angry, humans have no nature, they are shaped by social conditioning). What we are talking about is a surplus of young man invading, and the only thing they miss is a leading warlord and weapons. But disjointed as the configuration is, the elements are there. The khilafah is declared, the warlord is known, the ideology of war and hegemony are spelled out and documented. Now it is a game of joining the dots to bring the elements together and create the empire. This is not speculation anymore, the warlord has spoken, making clear his intent. The means are different and adapted–Muslims are homo sapiens and as ingenious as any Hun or Mongol who has gone on the road and has to adapt to overcoming technological advanced adversaries.

      So thinking that hundreds of thousands of young men are harmless because they are not visibly led by a warlord and also (still) unarmed is STUPID STUPID STUPID!!! But who I am not living in Europe although technically I am “Eurasion” to care–this is the age of the Pacific. I am going to turn my back on it.

  7. Stringbender says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:01 am

    Thank God someone has the courage to slow this down.
    The American Silent Majority stands with you.

  8. Januk36 says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:25 am

    The following link points to a polish blogger witnessing the events at the border austrian-italian border and has been translated by an yahoo commenter.

    Please excuse the spelling. Neither me nor the translator are native english speakers. I found the account relevant as it contrasts the media reporting heavily on the occasional juvenile victims and leaving out the ugly reality:

    http://niezalezna.pl/70607-granica-z-austria-wstrzasajaca-relacja-polaka-z-autokaru-napadnietego-przez-imigrantow

    “An eye-witness account from Kamil Bulonis, a Polish travel blog writer, who was present on the Italian-Austrian border on September 5, 2015, as swarms of Third World nonwhites poured across the border to invade Austria and Germany. “Half an hour ago on the border between Italy and Austria I saw with my own eyes a great many immigrants …I have to say that what I saw arouses horror … This huge mass of people – sorry, that I’ll write this – but these are absolute savages … Vulgar, throwing bottles, shouting loudly “We want to Germany!” – and is Germany a paradise now?

    I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus in I travelled myself with a group of others. They were throwing faeces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany?

    I felt for a moment like in a war … I really feel sorry for these people, but if they reached Poland – I do not think that they would get any understanding from us … We were waiting three hours at the border which ultimately could not cross.

    Our whole group was transported back to Italy in a police-cordon. The bus is damaged, covered with faeces, scratched, with broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages?
    Our whole group was transported back to Italy in a police-cordon. The bus is damaged, covered with faeces, scratched, with broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages?

    Among them there were virtually no women, no children—the vast majority were aggressive young men … Just yesterday, while reading about them on all the websites I subconsciously felt compassion, worried about their fate but today after what I saw I am just afraid and yet I am happy that they did not choose our country as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people – neither culturally nor financially.

    I do not know if anyone is ready. To the EU a pathology is marching which we had not yet a chance to ever see, and I am sorry if anyone gets offended by his entry …

    I can add that cars arrived with humanitarian aid – mainly food and water and they were just overturning those cars …

    Through megaphones the Austrians announced that there is permission for them to cross the border—they wanted to register them and let them go on—but they did not understand these messages. They did not understand anything.

    And this was the greatest horror … For among those few thousand people nobody understood Italian or English, or German, or Russian, or Spanish … What mattered was fist law… They fought for permission to move on and they had this permission— but did not realize that they had it!

    They opened the luggage hatches of a French bus—and everything that was inside was stolen within short time, some things left lying on the ground …

    Never in my short life had I an opportunity to see such scenes and I feel that this is just the beginning.”

    • Katnis says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 10:43 am

      Incredible story. Thanks for sharing.

    • TH says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 2:59 pm

      Poland already put a stop to muslim hordes who were invading their country and also at the gates of Vienna in 1683. Maybe in the long run it will have positive effects, as the ordinary German folk might realize who how inane are Merkel & Co and boot them out and put in some polititians who have a minimum of common sense. That is if the European and American political class lives in the real world or rather in a fantasy land of political correctness.

    • Lasslax says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      This will be soon an everyday story…:-(

      • Peggy says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 12:33 am

        EU is run by a bunch of unelected dictators. It’s time for European countries to leave EU and establish sovereignty again. This sovreingty was taken away the moment they joined EU and democracy was no longer a reality. Sure, there was always an illusion of democracy like having the right to speak badly about politicians or holding election giving people an illusion of being able to change government but none of it matters in the end.
        Major parties are all servants to EU dictators.
        Look at Greece for instance. They elected a government thinking that a deal they didn’t want was not going to be accepted. In the end deals were made anyway. Now what democracy is that?
        Being able to criticize politicians is not democracy when all you can do is talk but nothing changes. At least in China you know where you stand and don’t waste time thinking you can change anything.
        So, get some self rule back. Leave EU or you won’t have any hope at all.

  9. luis says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:26 am

    lets face it islam its real face is from hellholl diabolic idioligy i am so fed up with islam f off

  10. Jay Boo says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:34 am

    If only Germany would stop offering 72 virgin — ‘fräuleins’

    • sinantara says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 7:49 pm

      let’s the rapes begin…

  11. Tiredofstupid says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:41 am

    Where is the #Istandwithhungary? Sometimes you do need to listen to the voice of experience. With Christians being murdered by muslims every 5 minutes on average, why not bring in christian refugees instead of the raping, thieving, war and disease spreading muslims.
    I have worked with muslims and some are O.K. one on one but while they may be clean in their personal hygiene they seem incapable of social hygiene and shrew garbage and filth everywhere and don’t seem to understand the western idea of clean up after yourself.
    Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, migrants from countries with a large muslim population integrate into the western culture in a few generations and add flavor to the cultural stewpot that is America, Muslims don’t integrate and even after 3, 4, or 5 generations are segregated and angry at the host culture and intent on domination. I don’t want them or their culture or their criminal treatment of non-muslims anywhere near me or my children or grandchildren.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 7:07 pm

      I agree with you 100% “Tired” – and I’m tired too!

  12. katnis says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:46 am

    What a powerful piece. Orban is a hero to his people and role model for the rest of the world. History repeats itself, as Orban knows.

    I read the entire article and thought I would share this quote:

    “You can be full of kindness and love, but you cannot sleep next to a mad dog,” says the monk in reference to Muslims: “I call them troublemakers, because they are troublemakers.”

  13. januk36 says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:02 am

    You may find this site useful to follow:

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6527/migrants-rape-germany

    The article exposes a common pattern of politicial “leaders” colluding with criminal immigrants.

  14. Raja says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:05 am

    Good article once again from Mr. Raymond.. That vast majority / almost all of Muslims don’t do anything against Jihad or “for abusing” their “glorious” Islam but have been waiting for the MESSIAH in Islamic state is evidence enough that there will NEVER be peace with the rest of the world viz a viz Islam.

    The Hungarian PM is the wisest of the leaders in Europe. God bless him with more wisdom to deal with the idiots of West…

  15. dante says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    Wow! I wish we could get a president like Viktor Orban!

  16. abad says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    I agree with Orbán.

    Hungary is all about Hungary, Hungarian people, Hungarian language, Hungarian food (which is not halal btw), Hungarian culture.

    Hungary is NOT about Islam and has NO obligation to become Islam.

    • EYESOPEN says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 7:08 pm

      Well put.

    • Lasslax says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 3:40 pm

      Agreed

  17. Mazo says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    The refugees do not want to settle in Hungary. They want to go to Germany, Sweden, France, Britain.

    Serbia has decided to play the game smartly. They have been letting the refugees obtain safe passage through their country and provided food and medical aid to faciliate their journey as easily as possible to allow them to reach Germany and other western European nations. The Serbs and Croats warned Hungary to keep its borders open and slammed the building of the fence.

    Hungary for some reason is throwing an angry fit even though the refugees don’t to stay in .hungary but just want to use it as a pathway onto Germany. Making themselves an unnecesary target of hatred and criticism.

    It seems the Serbs want to quietly teach western Europe a massive lesson and punish them severely by allowing them to be flooded with refuges. The Serbs are smart and in doing this the are inflicting a critical blow upon their enemies.

    • Angemon says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 9:14 pm

      You’re either incredibly ignorant or outright dishonest. What the “refugees” want or not is meaningless since they’re not in their own country and they don’t get to decide where they stay. The Eu wants to enforce quotas to share refugees among its member states, and the Hungarian PM said they won’t take in muslims. And Hungary is not the only country saying that.

      From now on refrain yourself from talking about what takes place in Europe. Not because you haven’t set a foot on any European country – that’s your shtick, not mine – but because you’re an ignorant ass who clearly has no idea of what he’s talking about.

      • Mazo says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 11:12 pm

        Anal moron, who will stop the refugees once they leave Hungary for Germany? No matter if they have a quota or not, that won’t stop people from going where they want to go. Gypsy citizens of Romania and Bulgaria have flocked to France and other westen European countries and Eastern Europeans move on to Britain.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:10 am

          The maz-ole posted:

          “Anal moron, who will stop the refugees once they leave Hungary for Germany? No matter if they have a quota or not, that won’t stop people from going where they want to go. Gypsy citizens of Romania and Bulgaria have flocked to France and other westen European countries and Eastern Europeans move on to Britain.”

          Like I said, you’re an ignorant jackass – the “refugees” want to go to Germany to get welfare. To do that they must register with the German government. The German government gets a quota and whenever they fill that quota they start sending “refugees” somewhere else – like Hungary, for example. That’s the reason why Hungary (and not just Hungary) said they won’t take in muslims – they know that the EU will assign them a “refugee” quota and they know the danger of taking in muslims.

    • Mazo says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 11:17 pm

      The Serbs are teaching Western Europe a lesson it will never forget. Serbia is helping Western Europe “discover Islam” after what they did to Serbia at behest of the Jews.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 12:43 am

        How is Serbia teaching them a lesson?
        Serbia isn’t importing them. They are coming from Turkey, Greece and Macedonia. Serbia is a third country they step foot in.
        Maybe Greece and Macedonia are teching Serbia a lesson by flooding Serbia with these people.
        Out of all non Muslim countries in Europe, Serbia has the most Muslims and always had. They know exactly what Islam is. Thye’ve suffered for centuries under Ottoman rule and are still suffering under the weight of Islam which surrounds them and lives in their country.
        Seeing how Serbia is not a member of EU, it looks like EU is still punishing Serbia by forcing it to accept all the illegals from an EU country, Greece.
        In my opinion, the only solution is to get out of EU and become masters in your own country again. Hungary has responsibility to EU and simply cannot just shut borders. Time for them to get out of EU and make their own rules.

      • Lasslax says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 4:50 am

        Serbia is not “teaching” any lessons other then in dishonesty.
        1. They do not follow their international obligations
        2. The authorities are assisting in the trafficing
        3. The Serbian buses charge the migrants for 30 euros each for the transport to the Hungarian or Croatian border. (Multiply it with 200 000 to see how much Serbia is PROFITING of this crisis!!!)
        4. The Croatian, Austrian and Hungarian authorities provide the transportation on their states cost.
        5. Nobody “forces” Serbia to let the migrnts in. They SHOULD stop them on the Macedon border, just as Hungary does it on the Serbian border.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 5:25 pm

          I understand that Hungary has always been Serbia’s enemy and Hungarians don’t have any love for the Serbs, but you are really overstepping now. Maybe you should ask your Nazi allies from WW2 (Germans, Croatians and Muslims of the Balkans) to help you now and help Greece stop them from entering. Greece is in the EU and is behaving according to EU standards which Hungary should as well. If you don’t like the rules then take it up with EU or get out of EU and make your own rules but to dump all the blame on a country which has nothing to do with EU policies is not right.

          Things aren’t as simple as you think they are. There are rules and obligations to which both Hungary and Croatia signed up to when they accepted EU membership.
          Hey, I think these rules stink too and these invades have to be stopped but don’t make it all Serbia’s fault or problem.

      • Angemon says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 7:13 am

        And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the muslim mindset – there’s always a Jewish conspiracy behind everything, whether it’s the war in the Balkans or a missing shoe:

        http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/uk-muslim-leader-asghar-bukhari-zionists-stole-my-shoe

      • Angemon says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 7:15 am

        Also, mazo shouldn’t even be speaking about Europe according to his own standards: he foamed from the mouth and had a hissy fit whenever he saw a JW regular talking about countries he claimed they never set their foot on, so one would expect him to live by his standards – again, islamic muslim mindset: muslims are to rule over non-musims, and non-muslims aren’t allowed to criticize islam, muslims and, by extension, muslim countries.

  18. Lasslax says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 4:54 am

    It looks like there is almost a complete support to Hungarys policy.
    Funny that the ROMANIAN prime minister Victor Ponta said the other day, that Hungary is Europes “shame”.
    I just wonder who will be confirmed by the history in 20-30 years?
    Who is going to bear the shame?

    • Peggy says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:29 pm

      The very people who have started the whole mess. You know the countries, UK, France, Germany, Belgium etc.
      They imported this filth by millions between them over time which signaled that they were ready for Muslim occupation.
      Now Eastern countries are paying the price too.
      I agree, Hungary is trying to save itself but Hungary is in EU and subject to EU rules. My best advice would be for some countries to get out of EU while they still can.

  19. E says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 9:11 am

    ‘The Guardian’, leftist scumbags! now i know why journalists get beaten up. Many do deserve a beating this days, especially those of the mainstream media.

    • Peggy says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 7:13 pm

      Finally it’s all becoming clear now. Journalists scream “no free press” and “this dictator wants to muzzle us” and we all fall for it.
      All governments know there is no such thing as free press. Most of them are bought and paid for or in fear of losing their jobs if they don’t tow the line. There are only very few independent journalists who are free to report what they see accurately but they don’t get to write for mainstream media so they have to use the internet.
      Anyone who is serious about getting the truth will go looking for information. It’s not available in the mainstream media. I still watch the news but then I go and verify that with what I can find on the internet. Also to really know what is going on we have to have some knowledge of history. Without knowing the past we cannot have all the facts today. Many old scores are still being settled today.

  20. Ralph says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 11:15 am

    For years details about Islam have flown under the radar. Until 9/11 that is .The 13 men who flew the planes were all, can you guess? Yes, they were all Muslim. Yes there is a lot of anger, however I believe it is righteous anger. The key to dealing with anger correctly is as the bible says “be angry, but in your anger do not sin”. I have nothing but loathing for this filthy, vile, hateful, religion called Islam. Its founder, and false “prophet” mohamed, was a pedophile, who took a 5 year old girl as his wife, and had sex with her. Muslims men regard women as property; the women trapped in this unholy religion are victims. The quran exhorts killing anyone who does not share the insane Islamic beliefs, and anyone who converts to another religion also is to be killed. The quran also encourages Muslim men to rape women and ,little girls(infidels) aren’t muslim, even stating that this will bring them closer to their false god allah. Any of you want to know allah better? In their defense though, they don’t eat pork, so I guess their cholesterol levels are healthy(sarcasm). Before anyone rushes to judgment on Ben Carson or Donald Trump, do a little research, muslims only have one quran and by its very nature it is RADICAL. Hateful, vile religion that treats women like things, and encourages rape and murder; Seriously, should be outlawed in America, where we are under US law, and the laws of God, not sharia law.

    The “Holy Quran” enjoin all Muslims to do one of three things to “Infidels” (non-Muslims): 1) convert them, 2) enslave them, or 3) kill them. The first of these seldom occurs in the hands of Muslim terrorists, as they regard non-Muslims as inferior beings, such as swine. The second is preferable to the first, especially when the victim is a young girl or woman. The third is preferable to the first and the second when the victim is a man. Per the Quran, the preferred method of killing non-Muslims is to “smite them at the neck” (behead them with a sword or long knife). And as we have witnessed in recent times, Muslim terrorists in the Mideast have crucified young Christian boys and burned men alive, to include a Jordanian Muslim pilot who was captured when his plane was downed. Coupled with the attack on 9/11/2001, these images have much to do with the reaction of Americans who are not Muslim whenever the subject raises its ugly head. The non-Muslims didn’t start this: the Muslims did! They have remained relentless in their pursuit of a Caliphate since the 7th century AD.

  21. IndianTiger says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    Bravo Hungary! The PM of Hungary is the only rational leader in Europe amidst a sea of dhimmis. Germany, Sweden, Norway, Austria, and France are doomed to turn into islamic hell holes, just watch and see. With low birthrates of Europe and cockroach like fertility of muslims, these countries are finished.

  22. Richard says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 9:36 am

    A rare one to speak the truth. Dam the cowardly leftwing media.

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