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Robert Spencer in PJ Media: The Islamophobes who agree with Ben Carson

Sep 22, 2015 1:10 pm By Robert Spencer

In PJ Media today I show how Carson almost literally quoted Islamic doctrine and prominent Muslim leadership, and for this he is labeled a bigot.

SOUTH FLORIDAÍS BEN CARSON PREPARES TO ENTER PRESIDENTIAL ARENA

By now it’s clear: even fellow Republican candidates Ted Cruz and Lindsey Graham have piled on, the mainstream media is in an uproar, the Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is demanding he drop out of the race, and the only people who agree with Ben Carson’s statements about a Muslim president, Sharia, and the Constitution are racist, bigoted Islamophobes.

“I do not believe Sharia is consistent with the Constitution of this country,” said Carson, and hatemongers everywhere applauded.

The Islamophobes even piled on with hateful statements of their own:

Let’s face the grim truth … There is no evidence whatever that Islam in its various political forms is compatible with modern democracy. From Afghanistan under the Taliban to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and from Iran to Sudan, there is no Islamist entity that can be said to be democratic, just, or a practitioner of good governance.

Oh, the Islamophobia! Ibrahim Hooper and Nihad Awad of CAIR are no doubt gearing up for another press conference to denounce that one, but they’re coming so thick and fast that those guardians of the Constitution may not be able to keep up.

Here’s another:

The first basic difference between the political system endorsed by Islam and democracy is that in democracy, the ultimate authority lies with the people. In Islam, however, the ultimate authority doesn’t belong to people; it belongs to God alone. That means that both the ruler and the ruled in Islam are subject to a higher criterion for decision-making, that is, divine guidance.

That would mean that the Constitution would have to give way to Sharia wherever the two conflict, as another Islamophobe makes clear when he says:

Democracy runs counter to Islam on several issues. … In democracy, legislation is the prerogative of the people. It is the people who draw up the constitution, and they have the authority to amend it as well. On this issue we differ.

Supposedly, in Islamic thought only Allah legislates. There is no shortage of Islamophobes who spew this hate.

Another howled that in Islam, “democracy, freedom, and human rights have no place.”

Still another yelped that in Islam, “democracy is evil, the parliament is evil and legislation is evil.”

One Islamophobe went Carson one better, saying not only that a Muslim should not be president, but that Muslims shouldn’t even participate in elections. He had the audacity to claim that “electing a president or another form of leadership or council members is prohibited in Islam.”

These Islamophobes have even tried to convince people that because Islam is a “comprehensive system of governance,” many Muslims reject democracy as “a system whereby man violates the right of Allah and decides what is permissible or impermissible for mankind, based solely on their whims and desires.”

One complained that some Muslims even assert that they can only participate in politics in Western societies “on Islam’s terms.”

These must be the kind of Islamophobic statements Carson was reading when he formulated his hateful, bigoted opinions. Shameful.

So who said the awful statements above? Pamela Geller? Geert Wilders? Some other hatemongering profiteer whom all decent people must shun?

Oh.

In order, the authors of the Islamophobic statements I quote above are:

  • Hisham Melhem, the Washington bureau chief of Al-Arabiya,
  • Renowned moderate Muslim and Islamic apologist Jamal Badawi,
  • Syrian Islamic scholar Abd Al-Karim Bakkar,
  • The leader of Iran’s Shia Taliban, Mesbah Yazdi,
  • Australian Muslim cleric Ibrahim Siddiq-Conlon,
  • Saudi Islamic scholar, Sheikh Abdul Rahman bin Nassir Al Barrak,
  • A Muslim group in Wales that plastered Cardiff with posters denouncing democracy and exhorting Muslims not to vote, and
  • A Muslim group in Denmark that likewise urged Muslims to boycott elections.

Carson’s detractors would no doubt dismiss all these Muslims as “extremists.” All they have to do to make their case, after all, is point to all the thriving Constitutional republics that have Muslim majorities and guarantee freedom of speech, equal rights for women and non-Muslims, and other aspects of traditional Islamic law that Islamophobes claim contradict the Constitution.

Hmm.

In reality, there is not a single country to which they can point. There is no democratic tradition in the Islamic world. There is no history of secular republics, no concept of the equality of all people before the law.

People often invoke Turkey as an example of how Islam and democracy are fully compatible. In reality, the secular Turkish republic was established in an atmosphere of war with Islam, with explicit restrictions placed upon political Islam that were considered necessary so as to rein in its authoritarian, supremacist, anti-democratic tendencies. Now, the Erdogan regime is reasserting Islam’s political aspects. Turkish secularism has been severely weakened, and may not be long for this world….

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  1. Blitz2b says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Excellent article Robert,
    Is there any way that this can make it to the lapdogs of Islam at the CNN?

    I was literally pulling my hair last night listening to the Islam pandering and Carson bashing that dominated the airs at the network.

    What have we become? Telling even the slightest truth about Islam has now become an act of bigotry.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      What have we become?

      One way or the other, we’re gonna find out, that much is for sure. You’ve got Ibrahim Hooper, Prez Barack Hussein, Hillary, Secretary “War Coward” Kerry, Lindsay Graham, The Donald, John McCain, Fauxchahontas Warren, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Chris Christie and dozens more on the one side. And you have Dr Ben Carson MD on the other side. Maybe.

      We’ll see.

      • awake says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 1:54 pm

        Carson will cave. Bank on it.

        • jihad3tracker says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 2:14 pm

          Will Carson cave? NO!

          I’ll bet 10 American dollars against 10,000 Hungarian shekels (current exchange rate — but that might change as more “refugees” pile up on the beaches).

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 2:14 pm

          After the last few decades, I admit to sharing your cynicism. After a point, it changes from cynicism to realism. Jury’s still out on the Doc, though. We’re just prognosticating is all.

        • Don Foss says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 2:21 pm

          I doubt it. When he is asked about this in his next interview or in the debates he will have an answer that will stop the Left and the media in their tracks cause every listerner to say, “Yep. He’s absolutely correct.” And it won´t be played for the viewers of CNN, MSNBC, et al.

      • underbed cat says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 3:17 pm

        I think Donald knows (islamic terrorism,sharia law) and is learning more each day.Lindsey Graham lost cause, I am really surprised by his misinformation and slight condemnation of Dr.Carson by Lindsey Graham and Rubio. Robert Spencer readers know more in one day than Graham after all these years in office, that is a surprise but now it makes sense to me why the Republicans are a ball of confusion that can’t speak. This should have been sorted out before debates, but that would be a perfect world sprinkled with facts and breaking the political correct code, which had leaders that turned to the muslim world for the truth and got deception. The e republican party head also need some facts.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 4:37 pm

      for what it’s worth I put in my two cents worth on Dr. Carson’s page too, on the off-chance he needs “talking points” concerning keeping the conversation on ISLAM and what Allah’s law actually requires (as embodied in so many Islamic Republics and States and Muslim countries with ACTUAL shari’a embedded in their constitutions and what that entails for non-Muslims and women and apostates). I think it’s enough for him to back up his statement about shari’a and the Constitution and say something to the effect: “Yes, any Muslim who explicitly renounces religious warfare against non-Muslims or their subjugation under Islamic law, who advocates permanent peaceful co-existence with non-Muslims and the equality of rights for women and non-Muslims (including in Muslim majority countries), who denounces the barbaric punishments of shari’a, the death penalty for apostates or “blasphemers”, who denounces the suras of the Qur’an calling for Muslims to have hate and enmity for disbelievers and for war and violence against them; he has no problem with them. I don’t think he needs to add if they were to say that they are probably lying, people can only absorb so much Islamogarbage at a time.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm

        seconding Daniel Greenfield’s retort to Carson’s critics, “all they have to do to address Carson’s point is prove him wrong (and) demonstrate that Sharia is compatible with the Constitution.” Should be simple for them, wot? Except,

        –Muslims are superior to non-Muslims, non Muslims live under “apartheid”
        –no separation of mosque and state, religious law should be the constitution
        –the life of a non-Muslim is worth less than that of a Muslim (proof, amount of blood money paid to the heirs of someone you kill)
        –sharia makes SLAVERY legal (noting Saudi Arabia only “officially” abolished slavery in 1963 and only under U.S. pressure; in addition to….
        –death penalty for “leaving Islam”
        –a woman’s testimony worth half that of a man
        –obligation to wage religious war against disbelievers simply because they do not/will not believe in Islam or submit to Islam
        and so on and so forth….

        • down under says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm

          We should create a new religion and use all the terms written in the Koran against the Jews ,Christians and other Infidels and exchange instead the Muslims as the one that has to be converted taxed or killed.
          And every one that is speaking anything against the new religion should be punished or be killed.
          Also it can be claimed freedom of religion regarding the Constitution!!

    • vickie says

      Sep 23, 2015 at 7:51 am

      http://www.cnn.com/feedback/

  2. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    The big question is whether Carson will get a significant lift from his dabbling with the truth of Islam, which is ugly, easily knowable, and presents a direct danger to freedom and quality of life.

    On the one hand the news entertainment industry is squarely against discussing the ugliness; they probably aren’t even aware of its extent. I saw Carson savaged again this morning on the Fox RINO Varney & Co show, where it was implied that singling out Moslems as more likely to violate the Constitution as unfair and unwise.

    But on the other hand there could be big latent support for the truth being brought out into the light. Ft Hood was an obvious moment, and pissed a lot of Americans off. Then Boston. And more recently the beheading of that poor woman in Oklahoma. The cat’s out of the bag, so to speak.

    So will telling the truth payoff, net net, for Carson where voter support will outstrip votes lost to the predations of the news entertainment industry’s inherent support for Islam? I hope that Carson sticks to his guns, so we can see. The truth must out.

    • Joseph says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 1:57 pm

      @ APF, So will telling the truth payoff?
      ______________________________

      I am doing my best to explain to those who don’t want to do any research and only rely on the news.
      In short…It may be up to people like us to make it payoff.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 2:18 pm

        With resources like Islam 101 at the top of this webpage, and that the Holy Ko-Ran is only 200 pages long, it comes closer to just checking the facts than it does doing research, a word that implies unearthing previously unknown facts and then postulating how they all work. The facts of Islam are easily knowable, and we certainly know how they work. What we need is a leader to show the people en masse the way to familiarization with the reality of the situation. Maybe Dr Ben will be that guy. Maybe.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 3:00 pm

      ” I saw Carson savaged again this morning on the Fox RINO Varney & Co show, where it was implied that singling out Moslems as more likely to violate the Constitution as unfair and unwise.”

      It’s because the Conversation out there in the PC MC Mainstream is not really about Islam — it’s about all Muslims. In their anxiety to avoid “tarring all Muslims with a broad brush” they have developed a hypersensitivity to any criticism of the Islam that unites all Muslims, This is not en entirely illogical reflex on Mainstream’s part; and as long as any voices from the amorphously disorganized Counter-Jihad keep avoiding this linkage between Islam–>Muslims, they will be talking at cross-purposes with the Mainstream, if not also contributing to the muddying of the waters on this most exigent issue.

      One way out of this dilemma is to posit multiple Islams — Islam is so diverse you can’t pin it down — and thus we can salvage a majority of decent Muslims we don’t want to be “bigoted” about by simply linking them to the Islams which are benign (“cultural Islam”, “lax Islam”, “Islam based on not knowing about Islam” etc.), while the one or two Bad Islams are apportioned out to the Tiny Minority of Extremists. This is what the clever snakes Zudhi Jasser and Maajid Nawaz try to do (and too many in the Counter-Jihad seem amenable to this incoherent camelshit).

    • vlparker says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 3:05 pm

      If the American people have any brains, this should really shoot Carson to the top of the polls. I was a Cruz supporter, but I just lost a ton of respect for him.

      If Cruz thinks there is islam and radical islam then he is a fool.

      Screw islam and screw muslims. There is only one islam and that is Mohammad’s islam, which also happens to be ISIS’, Al Qaeda’s, Boko Haram’s, the Taliban’s, Hamas’, Hezboallah’s, CAIR’s, Muslim Brotherhood’s, ISNA’s and MSA’s islam. There is no other islam and if the candidates are too cowardly to say so or are too stupid to realize it then they are unfit to be POTUS.

      • dlbrand says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 4:36 pm

        Indeed, well said.

        What’s more, A prime example of the immense benefit to the supremacy of Islam provided by non-Muslims who defend and support “Muhammad” and his is that noted in what Islam provides in the narrative of the stated paternal uncle of Muhammad, Abu Talib.

        According to the most accepted Islamic teaching, as I am sure most readers here know, the man died an unbeliever, a Non-Muslim. Nonetheless, throughout his lifetime, during the time Islam states where the years of Muhammad’s “prophethood,” Abu Talib aided and defended his nephew and his new-formed faith.

        In so doing, in short, planted the seeds that, in time, brought the harvest of Mecca’s then-destined capitulation to Islam, set the stage for the “Prophet’s” entry, on the Day of Conquest.

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 6:11 pm

        “If Cruz thinks there is islam and radical islam then he is a fool.”

        Be prepared to find out that Carson agrees with this fantasy division of Islams once he starts talking about it more.

        • Chrisrm says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 6:17 pm

          I am not sure why you are surprised that Cruz, or anyone, thinks there is Islam (moderate and peaceful) and then radical Islam. It is what the press feeds us every day. It is what CAIR and the other Islam apologists tell us. It is what any Muslim we know tells us and the people do not hear the truth, are interested in looking for the truth, and would rather believe something positive. Young people have no interest in knowing about Islam, generally, though it will affect them the most. Older people don’t care very much and think they will be gone if and when there is a problem. Unfortunately, I think it is going to take some jihad action in the U.S., possibly mass casualties, to wake people up, like 911 did.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:11 pm

          I’m not surprised at all. I expect it because unlike most in the Counter-Jihad (apparently), I know the vast majority of the West is PC MC. What would surprise me is a mainstream Anybody actually saying that Islam and all Muslims are a problem.

  3. Plutarchus7 says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    THOSE WHO THINK BEN CARSON IS AN “IGNORAMUS”

    on the subject of Islam and Sharia law (which he’s not) should analyze Obama’s muddle-headed ideas on who is and isn’t a true Moslem, and what is and isn’t true Islam.

    On the one hand, Obama says that the radical, mass murdering, Sunni regime that brutally governs the ascending Islamic State (ISIS) are false Moslems, insane impostors perverting the true teachings of Islam and the Prophet Mohammed. However, on the other hand, Obama respectfully refers to radical nuclear Shiite Iran as “The Islamic Republic…” as if the radical, mass murdering (“Death to America!”) mullahs tyrannically ruling that country are true, authentic (“Religion of Peace”) believers abiding by the pure, authentic, unvarnished teachings of the Koran.

    Adding to this confusion is the traditional Moslem burial ordered by Obama for the mass murdering, “unIslamic” Sunni radical Osama bin Laden-who “unIslamically” ordered the killing of 3000 innocent Americans 14 years ago in his holy war against our “Godless” democracy. If bin Laden wasn’t truly Islamic and a perverter of the faith why was he given such a funeral? Wasn’t that in itself a perversion and desecration of Islam?

    But it gets worse for the president. According to an online survey run by al Jezeera a staggering 81% of 61,000 Moslem respondents support the “perverse” Islamic State (ISIS), and believe that its radical mass murdering Sunni regime is truly, genuinely, authentically practicing the “Religion of Peace.” Who is right about ISIS? Obama? Or the 81% of Moslems in the survey.

    Be that as it may, ironically the closest thing we have to a Moslem president, who identified himself as Moslem before his conversion to Christianity (some dispute the conversion was real), appears to be a muddle-headed fool on the subject of real Moslems and true Islam. But then again when do we ever get moral clarity from this dissembler on any thing?

    http://www.apollospeaks.com

    • Chris says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm

      No one is discussing that the major force in Islam, Saudi Arabia, beheads and stones to death hundreds of people a year by orders of Sharia courts. Would Americans consider Saudis extremist Muslims. This information is on the internet, complete with videos, but I think very few know about it.

      • mortimer says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        Backward, barbaric, misogynistic Soddy Barbaria promotes NORMATIVE intolerant-cruel-obscurantist Islam…the only real, authentic kind of Islam.

      • PRCS says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 5:18 pm

        Actually, so-called journalists do periodically report the magic kingdom’s public beheadings; usually as being conducted in accordance with a “strict interpretation of Islam”.

        The same idiots generally refer to beheadings by Islamic State jihadist’s as a “perversion of Islam”.

      • Plutarchus7 says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 9:41 pm

        Give them credit. They have made their barbarism acceptable by hiding their jihadism behind a cloak of nonaggression making them seem like responsible actors in comparison to Iran, ISIS, al Qaida and the like.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 2:34 pm

      If bin Laden wasn’t truly Islamic and a perverter of the faith why was he given such a funeral? Wasn’t that in itself a perversion and desecration of Islam?

      These are excellent questions, Plutarch. But here we are, unable to ask them of ourselves on our common discourse platform, the TV set. Meanwhile, the emergent Caliph Ibrahim rises like a rock star so fast and so big as to make Bill Gates blush in admiration. These are new times, born of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing that saw the umbilical cord finally cut on Sept 11, 2001.

      You mention perversion here, which necessarily brings up the subject of perverts. And those are the hairy chested mice in the Professoriat, dishonest people who cling to relativism as if an anchor speeding to the bottom of an ocean. The intellectuals have failed us, they’ve turned on us. We’ve drifted a long way from the days of the Englightenment.

      And so us, or we, are left to having a half-ass wholly misleading conversation with ourselves on our flat screen TV sets.

      • Plutarchus7 says

        Sep 23, 2015 at 4:59 am

        Excellent! I’m looking for a lucrative business opportunity. Is there good money in farming pigs?

  4. john spielman says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    TO REPEAT
    allah of islam is NOT GOD but Satan, so sharia law is under Satan’s control and Satan has been a murderer lair thief from the beginning( to paraphrase Jesus the messiah )
    and muhammed pbuh* is a mass murdering lying thieving misogynistic demon possessed pedophile pervert!
    pbuh* PERPETUAL BANISHMENT UNTO HELL!

    • Chrirm says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:41 pm

      With all due respect, when you bring Christianity, the devil and hell into the argument against Islam and Sharia, you immediately lose the argument. Most people will just say “another Christian fundamentalist” and turn you off.

      • KnowThyEnemy says

        Sep 23, 2015 at 6:15 am

        With all due respect, the devil (satan) is exactly who we need to associate with Islam and its evil prophet. It does not even matter whether or not you believe in the existence of devil. What matters is that Muslims do believe [in satan’s existence]! Hence we need to show to Muslims, with evidence, that the Quran is from satan, not God, and that Muhammad was devil’s agent! There are few methods more effective at exorcising Islam out of Muslims.

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 10:16 am

          Very well said KnowThyEnemy
          Excellent reasoning and I agree very much.

          Having said that, I also admit that john spielman does take a few liberties here considering the topic is about false claims of Islamophobia.

  5. wildjew says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    I am glad Senator Cruz (who is generally solid) was not left out of this critique. I gave Cruz a couple of small contributions earlier. He utterly disappointed me on this one.

    This episode reminds me of 2011 Republican debate in Iowa when George Stephanopoulos asked Newt Gingrich about his claim that the “Palestinians” are an invented people. Gingrich doubled down. “Someone has to have the courage to tell the truth, these people are terrorists. They teach terrorism (Jew hatred) in their schools, media,” etc.

    Mitt Romney condemned Gingrich as a “bomb thrower.” He said he would not do anything to interfere with the charade of a “peace process” with these savages while rockets were being fired into Israel. Rick Santorum joined Romney. The others (Ron Paul also condemned Gingrich), just like Cruz, Trump, etc., ducked.

    • PRCS says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:37 pm

      Like–I think all of the Republican candidates sans Carson–Cruz clings to the notion of a separate and despicable “radical” version of Islam.

      In Cruz’ case: “radical Islamic terrorists”–which always begs the questions (although apparently not by him):

      how does a “radical” Islamic terrorist differ from an everyday, run of the mill, regular Islamic terrorist?
      shouldn’t they be called jihadists rather than terrorists?
      is this “terrorism” being carried out by undefined “Islamic” people or by Muslims?

  6. mortimer says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    Shi’ites and Sunnite Muslims all use taqiyya. Taqiyya permeates ALL MUSLIM SOCIETIES without exception. An oath of office is meaningless when a Muslim uses taqiyya.

    Sam Solomon, an ex-Muslim, was a professor of Sharia Law for 15 years. He writes in his book about hijra (“Modern Day Trojan Horse”):

    “Muda’rat is a Sunni doctrine of deception. It is also another name for taqiyya. Not many people know about this doctrine outside the circles of the Ulama or the learned scholars of Islam. Muda’rat simply means flattery, adulation, conformity with deceit, trickery, keeping pace with, wrap, conceal or hide. This deceptive behavior can be practiced with anybody when necessary…Bukhari reports in Hadith no.5780 that the Prophet said ‘We must deal with our enemies with smiles on our faces and curses in our hearts.’ Muhammad went on to say ‘War is deception.’ This deception can be practiced at a personal level as well as at a community level through its leaders and institutions…”

    In his study of mosques, Solomon writes “takiyya permeates almost all the activities and dealings of Muslims with non-Muslim societies… Takiyya means ‘caution, fear or disguise.’ It permits the suspension, as the need arises, of almost any or all religious requirements–including a total denial of faith–when fearing threat, injury or compulsion of any kind in a non-Muslim society, or even in a Muslim society. Taqiyya is practiced by all Muslims, Sunni and Shi’ites alike, and all other Islamic sects.”

    Taqiyya may be practiced even when under oath.

    There are six different ways of deception that are permissible in Islam:

    Taqiyya (Shia) or Muda’rat (Sunni): tactical deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam.
    •Kitman: deceit by omission.
    •Tawriya: deceit by ambiguity.
    •Taysir: deceit through facilitation (not having to observe all the tenets of Sharia).
    •Darura: deceit through necessity (to engage in something “Haram” or forbidden).
    •Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia law so that Muslim immigrants may appear “moderate.”

  7. Wellington says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    An excellent article by Robert Spencer. I particularly liked the way it is constructed with the quotes given first and then a list of those who are responsible for them. If ever an article by Robert Spencer were to reach Dr. Ben Carson, this arguably should be the one. I hope it does. I also dearly hope Dr. Carson refuses to back down. If he doesn’t it certainly will be indicative of the fact that he is made of “the right stuff.”

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 3:14 pm

      ” I particularly liked the way it is constructed with the quotes given first and then a list of those who are responsible for them. ”

      As Spencer goes on to note:

      Carson’s detractors would no doubt dismiss all these Muslims as “extremists.”

      However, Spencer seems to gloss over this and move on, as though merely citing the fact that there is no democratic Muslim polity in existence would be enough to defuse that canard about “extremists”. This would be to sorely underestimate the resiliency of this particular canard, a key element in the PC MC template about the (Non-)Problem of Islam. For, the way the PC MC Mainstream deals with this (Non-)Problem is by converting the discussion into something else. In the PC MC Mainstream, it is really about all Muslims, and a hypersensitivity to any criticism leveled at the Islam that unites all Muslims. In the PC MC perspective, any such criticism is immediately transferred to an attack on all Muslims, and the critic immediately labeled a “bigot”.

      To deepen the incoherence, the PC MC perspective also translates the Islam of this (Non-)Problem into multiple Islams: there is no single Islam one can pin down for criticism; there is only a wonderful diversity of Islams out there, reflecting the wonderful diversity of Muslims. What makes this incoherent, of course, is the fact that this bullshit is being articulated in order to protect the one Islam that unites all Muslims.

      The Counter-Jihad remains disorganized itself with regard to this aspect of the issue, with too many voices within it vulnerable to, if not actively promoting, this nonsense of a diversity of multiple Islams reflected in a diverse taxonomy of Muslims (the “lax Muslims”, the “cultural Muslims”, the “MINOs” (Muslims In Name Only), the “Muslims who don’t know their own Islam”, the “scared Muslims” intimidated into fearful silence by other Muslims, the “sincerely reform minded Muslims” like Zuhdi Jasser and Maajid Nawaz, etc.)

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 3:16 pm

        P.S.:

        Spencer seems to gloss over this and move on, as though merely citing the fact that there is no democratic Muslim polity in existence would be enough to defuse that canard about “extremists”.

        The PC MC would handle this by resorting to various ways to wiggle out: the lack of democracies in the Middle East due to Western intrusion (propping up dictators blah blah) and/or merely geopolitical concerns (citing the fact that Sharia is not fully implemented in most of these polities, blah blah)… And besides, American Muslims are magically delicious and moderate, unlike Muslims “over there”… right? (Even many in the Counter-Jihad seem to think this)

        • PRCS says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 5:44 pm

          Hesp,

          Let me suggest–if you haven’t already done so–that you send Dr. Carson your plan to deport American born citizens.

          Please let us know his response.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:02 pm

          PRCS,

          I don’t have a “plan” to deport Muslims.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 9:00 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “I don’t have a “plan” to deport Muslims.”

          Now, now, don’t sell yourself short – remember the parachutes and Sudan?

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/polish-convert-to-islam-we-will-hold-mass-executions-in-st-peters-square/comment-page-1#comment-1277834

          Listen, voeg, if you don’t have a plan to deport muslims why have you been stating for over a year (at least) that the only option is to deport muslims?

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/carson-muslim-shouldnt-be-president-hamas-linked-cair-demands-he-withdraw#comment-1296722

        • PRCS says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:26 pm

          I didn’t say Muslims.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 6:37 pm

          Muslims in America, unqualified, obviously includes “American born citizens”, since some of them are American born citizens. (A person saying “Muslims in America” without further qualification could mean “only Muslims who are not natural born citizens”, but it would be his problem for not being clear with his language if he were misunderstood.)

          The reason I include them is because, unlike the Counter Jihad Softies, I possess no magical key or decoder ring that enables me to distinguish harmless from dangerous Muslims; and, also unlike the Counter Jihad Softies, I don’t implicitly assume that Muslims who also happen to be American born citizens are somehow ipso facto harmless.

          And to repeat: I don’t “have a plan” to deport them; I just believe in advocating the idea of it, pushing the meme — one important way to facilitate socipolitical change over time (analogous to the long century plus prior to the Abolition of slavery in the West in the 19th century, during which time people pushed the meme but were met with obtuse opposition — “it’s unrealistic”, “you’ll never realize it”, “what are all the freed slaves going to do?”, etc., not unlike what the Counter Jihad Softies do when confronted by anyone advocating total deportation of Muslims today).

        • Chrisrm says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 6:49 pm

          How about “All Muslims, American-born or not, or ipso facto harmful”. That is a valid reason to deport all Muslims. There is one advantage that the U.S. has that no other country in the world has, and the reason Tojo did not attack the U.S. homeland, there are hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of countless millions of people that know how to use them.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 10:14 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “The reason I include them is because, unlike the Counter Jihad Softies, I possess no magical key or decoder ring that enables me to distinguish harmless from dangerous Muslims; and, also unlike the Counter Jihad Softies, I don’t implicitly assume that Muslims who also happen to be American born citizens are somehow ipso facto harmless.”

          Are you ever going to post a full list of who’s a “softie” and links to each and every of them saying “I possess a magical key and/or decoder ring that enables me to distinguish harmless from dangerous Muslims” and “I implicitly assume that Muslims who also happen to be American born citizens are somehow ipso facto harmless” or are you just going to keep lying and making unsubstantiated accusations aimed at no one in particular?

          “And to repeat: I don’t “have a plan” to deport them”

          Ah, you’re one of those people with an idea but without any knowledge of how to implement it or even if it can be implemented – let others worry about such details because you have an idea. Good to know you are on the case then!

          “ I just believe in advocating the idea of it, pushing the meme — one important way to facilitate socipolitical change over time”

          Which clashes head-on with your “muslims are here and are killing us and we need to do something now” rhetoric.

          Another thing you seem to believe in advocating and pushing are slanderous representations of other users and their stances.

          “(analogous to the long century plus prior to the Abolition of slavery in the West in the 19th century”

          Not analogous. In fact, it’s the exact opposite – slavery was abolished because it negated essential basic rights to a group of people. What you’re advocating for is to negate essential basic rights to a group of people. Do not try to pass yourself as the next Abe Lincoln (who actually had a plan) when you’re more along the lines of muhammad.

          “not unlike what the Counter Jihad Softies do when confronted by anyone advocating total deportation of Muslims today”

          Actually, it’s quite unlike what the dastardly, shadowy cabal of unknown people you call “softies” say – for example, no one asked you “what are all the freed slaves going to do”. What different people people have told you, more than once, is that your idea is seditious and anti-constitutional, and that it would be far more beneficial to the CJ movement as a whole to focus on more feasible measures (halting all muslim migration, throughly checking mosques, etc). Of course, you were never one to let facts get in the way of a narrative…

          To sum it up: you’re trying to push an idea for which you have no plan of execution, no idea or knowledge of what’s required to get it into motion, you sneer at the people who point out the hurdles your idea will invariably face, and you want you and your idea to be taken seriously.

          Like I said, you’re a detriment to this site and to the CJ movement in general.

      • Angemon says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 4:00 pm

        voegelinian posted:

        “this nonsense of a diversity of multiple Islams reflected in a diverse taxonomy of Muslims (the “lax Muslims”, the “cultural Muslims”, the “MINOs” (Muslims In Name Only), the “Muslims who don’t know their own Islam”, the “scared Muslims” intimidated into fearful silence by other Muslims, the “sincerely reform minded Muslims” like Zuhdi Jasser and Maajid Nawaz, etc.)”

        As I’ve told you before, this taxonomy you deridingly sneer at exists because your simplistic – childish, even – black-and-white view simply can’t represent reality. There’s not a one-size-fits-all description that can accurately describe ALL muslims to the most minuscule detail. Different sets exists because there’s disagreement interpretations of islam and, human nature being anywhere the same, among individual muslims there are different levels of knowledge of islamic tenets and different levels of zeal and adherence to those rules.

        That you fail to grasp such a simple concept and instead prefer to come up with crazy conspiracy theories (“it’s the PC MC who want you to believe that there are different kinds of muslims, etc”) should be more than enough to get you laughed out of any fact-based discussion.

        Anyway, a question: who do ALL muslims think it should have been the caliph after the death of muhammad? Since the “diverse taxonomy of muslims” is a PC MC nonsense, you should be able to answer something as simple as that.

        • Chrisrm says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 5:26 pm

          Very simple, straightforward principles describe every living Muslim. No earthly law may be put before Allah or Sharia law. Every Muslim must strive to bring Islam to every infidel country and make Sharia law the law of every land and the world one under Allah. Muslims may use the principles of taqqiya (Shi’a) or madra’at – sacralized prevarication to deceive non-believers in the service of Allah. Muslims don’t have to commit violent jihad because if the make every country Sharia compliant, the entire world will be either Muslim or subjugated dhimmis.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:05 pm

          Chrisrm:

          Those are islamic imperatives. Can you prove me (or anyone else) beyond any reasonable doubt that from one’s self-identification as muslim they know all islamic tenets, believe in it and are willing to put them into practice?

        • Chrisrm says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:14 pm

          Not every Muslim would know all islamic tenets. Actually, probably very few since most Muslims are illiterate and the imams like it that way. However, every Muslim that has made a hijra to the U.S. would be, at least, literate and probably educated. Anyone that would run for office would certainly be educated and would know many tenets of Islam, including the most basic. Every Muslim in America goes to a mosque and studies the Koran so they would know what constitutes apostasy and know that one of the most basic tenets of Islam is to spread Sharia law throughout the land of non-believers. If I know it, an American muslim would know it. They would be running for President to give Islam the biggest victory in their 13 century history – taking over the most important Western country in the world. All other countries would capitulate.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 9:01 pm

          Chrisrm posted:

          “Not every Muslim would know all islamic tenets. Actually, probably very few since most Muslims are illiterate and the imams like it that way.”

          Not only that, particularly for muslims in the West, there’s more influences to their lives than islam alone. It’s impossible from one’s self-identification as a muslim to know what they know of islam (except maybe that they believe that there’s only one God and that muhammad was his messenger), what they actually believe out of what they know (for example, westernized muslims may genuinely believe that the violent passages in the quran are, like the violent passages in the OT, applicable only to a specific time and age) and what they’re willing to do based on those beliefs.

          But I’m getting sidetracked here – IIRC, I was challenging voegelinian’s assertion regarding the “taxonomy” of muslims. The reason there are different classifications for different muslims is that they differ somewhere. Sunnis believe Abu Bakr was to be the caliph after muhammad. Shias believe it should have been Ali. Some sects of islam enforce the burqa, others enforce the hijab, etc.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:09 pm

          Chrism,

          ” Muslims don’t have to commit violent jihad because if the make every country Sharia compliant, the entire world will be either Muslim or subjugated dhimmis.”

          Au contraire, they do need to include violence in their repertoire.

          1) Why? Because the true nature of Sharia is so repellant to freedom-loving people, freedom-loving people will not just willingly adopt it. Currently, there’s a “sharia creep” going on in stillicide percolation; but it only succeeds by virtue of being incomplete and by virtue of Westerners stupidly believing the deceiving Muslims who promise it does not portend ISIS-like realization in the future.

          2) This in-between piece-meal phase cannot go on forever. Why not? Because Muslims ultimately desire total Sharia, and will not rest until they get it.

          Put 1 and 2 together, remember how violent Muslims can be, remember taqiyya that’s necessary while Muslims are weak, and consider the remaining decades of this 21st century — and you have the recipie for horrific, metastasizing violence in the West caused by Muslims. Which the West could minimize if it acted to deport Muslims sooner, rather than later.

        • Chrisrm says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm

          I didn’t mean to infer that jihad was not necessary. What I meant that all Muslims do not have to be violent. In fact, if American Muslims, other than the occasional lone wolf or small group, Islam would have a very difficult time letting their tentacles spread and letting Sharia creep. They must present themselves at the Islam of peace not those crazy, radical extremists who are not Muslim at all. Jihad was much necessary for conversion after the 7 century because slaughtering people is the only way they could take over countries. Jihad is a lot different now but on the rise. It also could be one of Iran’s nukes one day, or perhaps an EMP attack to simply shut our country down.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 7:16 pm

          Chrism,

          don’t mind Angemon — he believes the West should play the deadly game of Muslim Roulette which = because we don’t know which Muslims are harmless and which are dangerous, let’s assume that any given Muslim who seems harmless is inf act harmless and give him the benefit of the doubt. Angemon’s insticts are 180 degrees wrong. On the contrary, when it comes to Muslims, we should always err on suspicion, not trust. We should presume guilt before innocence. We should cultivate prejudice against all Muslims. The stakes are too high — that is, if you don’t want to gamble with your life, the lives of your loved ones, and the lives of your fellow citizens.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 9:37 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “don’t mind Angemon — he believes the West should play the deadly game of Muslim Roulette which = because we don’t know which Muslims are harmless and which are dangerous, let’s assume that any given Muslim who seems harmless is inf act harmless and give him the benefit of the doubt.”

          voeg, this again? We’ve been through this before: you don’t get to say what I believe in or not – that’s my call, not yours, and this kind of attitude (going around lying about what others say or believe) gets you no traction around here.

          And youare lying through your teeth (again) – can you link to a post where I say “let’s assume that any given Muslim who seems harmless is inf act harmless and give him the benefit of the doubt“? Of course you can’t because, spoiler alert, I never said that. What I did say – and it stings you to no end because you expect other people to silence me whenever I say something you don’t like – is that if all you have is one’s professed religion as evidence that they’re dangerous – if you’ve been monitoring someone for years, and all you have is a couple of traffic tickets (no known affiliation to any mosque preaching hatred of he west, no contacts with known or suspected terrorists, etc.) – then you can’t toss them to jail, prosecute them for terrorism, decide they’re guilty and parachute them over Sudan, like you want to do, because you have no evidence to back your accusation.

          “Angemon’s insticts are 180 degrees wrong.”

          No, they’re spot-on – More than one year ago I pointed out that the system you would implement would amount to a totalitarian regimen where all citizens would be under permanent surveillance due to the possibility of them being muslims. And a couple of weeks ago you stated that the police should start focusing on figuring out who’s a muslim or not. Like I said, spot-on.

          “ On the contrary, when it comes to Muslims, we should always err on suspicion, not trust. We should presume guilt before innocence.”

          Except that you rule out the possibility of innocence to begin with. With you, there’s no presumption of guilt before innocence because, according to you, there’s no innocence – if a muslim seems innocent and you have nothing on him you can “reverse-engineer” (that was your exact term, wasn’t it?) an explanation to why he’s not waging jihad and claim he’s guilty all the same.

          “We should cultivate prejudice against all Muslims.”

          You don’t want to cultivate prejudice – you already decided that ALL muslims are trying to wage jihad and if you can’t prove it, well, you can “reverse engineer” (which I guess is your dualspeak for “imagine” or “create”) a story explaining why they aren’t. What you’re doing now is trying to get enough people on your side to parachute ALL muslims to Sudan (again, your suggestion).

          “The stakes are too high — that is, if you don’t want to gamble with your life, the lives of your loved ones, and the lives of your fellow citizens.”

          Appeals to emotion are not valid arguments. In fact, they’re the opposite of valid arguments – they’re used when there are no valid arguments. Another example of appeal to emotion used to cover for the lack of logic reasoning:

          “- We must take the refugees pouring in from Syria, running away from the war!”
          “- Huh, why? Most of them aren’t actually from Syria, they’re not running away from any war and there can be islamic state members posing as refugees hoping to get into Europe to pull something that will make Charlie Hebdo look like a papercut.”
          “- Oh, you want to get innocent women and children killed, is that it?”

          The truth, voeg, is that you know my stance very well by now, considering the number of times I’ve corrected the falsehoods you ascribe to me. You know that I care about the lives of my families, friends, countrymen and Westerns in general to the point of having suggested measures that are not only feasible but also much more effective than anything you ever came up with. I’ve advocated for a complete halt on muslim immigration (and you’ve actually sneered at people suggesting that), permanent surveillance of mosques, deportation of foreign muslims who break the law – even if it’s a traffic ticket – etc.

          Seek help and learn to deal with setbacks – going from topic to topic, to the point of harassment, constantly lying about me is a clear indication that you should not be allowed to interact with other people because you lack the most basic skills to do so – not only you don’t take kindly to dissenting opinions, you also try to bully and shame people into silence.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 9:42 pm

          voegelinian:

          “The stakes are too high — that is, if you don’t want to gamble with your life, the lives of your loved ones, and the lives of your fellow citizens.”

          Same goes for a lot of issues, buddy – climate change, overpopulation, national debt, GMOs, etc. – are you going to arrest, prosecute and convict people before parachuting them into Sudan based on how their stances regarding those issues differ from yours?

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 23, 2015 at 7:22 pm

          • Chrisrm says
          September 22, 2015 at 7:24 pm

          “I didn’t mean to infer that jihad was not necessary. What I meant that all Muslims do not have to be violent. In fact, if American Muslims, other than the occasional lone wolf or small group, Islam would have a very difficult time letting their tentacles spread and letting Sharia creep. They must present themselves at the Islam of peace not those crazy, radical extremists who are not Muslim at all. Jihad was much necessary for conversion after the 7 century because slaughtering people is the only way they could take over countries. Jihad is a lot different now but on the rise. It also could be one of Iran’s nukes one day, or perhaps an EMP attack to simply shut our country down.”

          (I kept misspelling the name as “Chrism”).

          Chrisrm is correct that ostensibly peaceful Muslims are a necessary part of the stealth jihad that works with the violent jihad. The nexus between the two is necessary only because Muslims perceive themselves (accurately) as comparatively too weak to just invade us with frank military invasion, and needless to say, the nexus has to remain concealed (hence the “stealth”) through a combination of taqiyya and keeping the violence down below a certain threshold, since even stupid Westerners would be able to put two and two together if Muslims stopped lying and if they began doing too much violence. What constitutes “too much” violence, however, is not a science. It depends on many factors – perhaps the most important being gauging how stupid the Western Mainstream is. Muslims by now surely have wised up to the perverse fact that Muslim violence actually helps their stealth jihad and their continued penetration into Western societies – because every time there is an episode of Muslim violence, the Western Mainstream goes into spasmodic fits of bending over backwards to “respect” and protect Muslims even more, not less as they would in a sane universe.

          That said, Muslims probably realize that this perverse dynamic cannot be wildly abused such that they can just pull out all the stops and do violence willy-nilly. I.e., as irrational as the Mainstream West remains, there still is an invisible threshold of violence – there still is a sense of “too much” violence beyond which Muslims would no longer be able to get away with their taqiyya and the West would finally get around to Operation Buh-Bye (also known as “Operation Don’t Let the Door Hit You in the Ass On Your Way Out”, “Operation Thanks For the Memories but Now GTFO”, etc.).

    • epistemology says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:22 pm

      Couldn’t agree more. This is an excellent article and Ben Carson should read it. We can only hope nobody can force him to back down. G’d bless this courageous man.

      All the best to you and yours Wellington

      • Wellington says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 6:28 pm

        Hello, epistemology. I hope you are enjoying your day. Yes, for me at this point in time, Ben Carson is my choice for President. And it’s not just because of his courageous statement about Muslims. He is an extremely thoughtful man, one of the world’s leading pediatric neurosurgeons (and there’s no such thing as a dumb pediatric neurosurgeon), a man of great integrity, a very clear thinker and respecting what he doesn’t know, he’s a fast learner.

        I mentioned to you some months ago Carly Fiorina. She’s good on many counts, though I was dismayed to hear her statements she has made about Islam. Still, and unlike so many others, she has a capacity to learn and so I remain somewhat hopeful about her. To put it in “American speak,” she’s a tough broad and I mean this only as a compliment. Rather the way one could speak of Elizabeth I of England (1558-1603) and Maria Theresa of Austria (1740-1780) as “tough broads.” Ditto for Margaret Thatcher of course.

        Carson will be under tremendous pressure to take back what he has said about the inadvisability of a Muslim being President of the United States. From what I have been able to gather about the man so far, he will triumphantly resist this pressure, though the name calling of him will be an avalanche. Well, this is what one can expect when one publicly speaks the truth about Islam.

        Take care, my friend. Always good to read your posts.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 23, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      Wellington said

      “An excellent article by Robert Spencer. I particularly liked the way it is constructed with the quotes given first and then a list of those who are responsible for them.”

      Let’s hope that the ‘Great Infallible voegelinian doesn’t spot that compliment, lest he think that you are suggesting Robert Spencer is in the same exalted league as the vainglorious voegelinian and take noted exception.

  8. Dave J says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    So sad that a factual statement in the form of a personal opinion results in widespread media shaming, demands for apologies and demeaning name calling. It demonstrates the influence that Leftists and Islam are already having on Free Speech (and Rational Thought).

    Remember the signs: “Democracy go to Hell”. As well as “Death to America”.

  9. Katowice says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Sharia needs to be talked about loudly right now. The media won’t cover it with any honesty or rigor (if they’ll even mention the word), but that doesn’t mean we have to play by their rulebook.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm

      Sharia law’s purpose is to CRUSH women and ‘others’ and VIOLATE the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the US Bill of Rights and the First Amendment.

      • Katowice says

        Sep 22, 2015 at 3:19 pm

        Precisely. The upper echelons of the western left might be vicious and disciplined enough to live fully in doublespeak, but their foot soldiers are for the most part just a dangerous combination of well-meaning without perspective and incredibly naive. Let’s get them thinking, even if it’s just a few.

  10. mortimer says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    THIRTY REASONS WHY PRACTICING MUSLIMS SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN POLITICS:

    1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 13 Torture 14 Plundering 15 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 22 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 23 Cruelty to animals 24 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 25 No historic basis 26 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 27 FGM 28 Arab racism 29 Theocratic totalitarianism 30 Vigilantism

    • Anti-Dhimmitude says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 9:05 pm

      1) war against ancient faiths and cultures with a view to exterminate them (as pre-islamic and therefore ignorant (jahil)
      2) war against music, art and criticism
      3) blatant re-appropriation of temples, holy sites, architectural masterpieces after a “change in management”
      4) subversion sown against the indigenous people’s faith, and against nationalism and nationalists in general
      5) the fond belief that “all property(includes women) and land are created for muslims” regardless of whether they who it actually belongs to
      6) fosters exclusivism at a global scale to promulgate one deen(faith) for all ,
      7) Koran permits Muslims to have slaves (4:3, 4:36, 23:6, 24:58, 30:28, 33:50)
      8) the warlike verses are very open ended, for all time and for all conditions and obligatory

      Saudis are going to head the human rights commission, now in islam , allah has not made the unbelievers human even, rather non-Muslims are against Allah (25:55); on the side of the Satan and are fighting for him (4:76-77); “evil” (16:27, 2:91, 2:99); the “wrong-doers” (2:254, 5:45); the “enemy” and “perverted” (63:4); “wicked” (80:42, 9:125); hypocrites (4:61); “unclean” (9:28).

      Forget the difference between civilian and military, the unbeliever is not even fully human.
      “worst of created beings” (98:6); “miscreants” (2:99, 24:55); “the worst beasts in Allah’s sight” (8:55), “apes” and/or “pigs” (2:65-66, 5:58-60, 7:166) and of course dispensing to them islamic justice (read as doing the will of allah) includes (33:61, 4:76, 4:89-91, 8:12, 9:41, 9:5, 9:29, 61:11,2:216, 8:15-16, 9:39) until 2:193, 8:39 ,9:5 , 9:29

      So we seem to live in very interesting times, on one hand you have the islamics who use orwellian doublespeak whenever they use words like justice or human (depending on who is being dealt with) and on the other you have , folks who are supposed to defend judeo-christian underpinnings of western civilization but seem to have no pride in it themselves and are dying for an islamic upsurge.
      Good bye to Europe , you have been a good boy and have always listened the the muslim apologist instead of reading your own history.

      Today the weapon used is not the sword or the catapult against unbelievers (Al-Ghazali (1979). Kitab al-Wagiz fi fiqh madhab al-imam al-Safi’i..Dr. Michael Schub. (pp. 186, 190-91).) …but rather the views of opinionated leftist fools who strut about without thought to what their own deception would eventually entail.

      However one must stand their ground when faced with that which intends to besiege humanity.
      By not regarding non-muslims as even human, something the nazis did to justify using human beings as fertilizer, now we have a far larger and more theatrical extremist organization that has never existed before in history , and yet no leader is ready to wake up to that reality.

      Evil can only terrify those who have no courage and are not warriors, but those who are righteous should bend before no terror.The infidels of old have still not given up though, they see what is occurring and are not wearing leftist tinted specs , every country which islam has not been able to subdue, in it reside various infidels with a long and glorious history. I salute the Hungarians for atleast recalling what the last “muslim diversity” caused.

      Unite and Purge this Evil

  11. Angemon says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    In PJ Media today I show how Carson almost literally quoted Islamic doctrine and prominent Muslim leadership, and for this he is labeled a bigot.

    Of course he is a “bigot” – because he’s against it (like any sensible person should rightly be). If he were to quote ad verbatim islamic scriptures and orthodoxy (slay the infidels wherever you find them, we smile in the face of some people although in our hearts we curse them, etc.) and be in favour of it then everything would be all right – embracing multiculturalism and stuff.

    I still want to know where are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Ibrahim “Honest Abe” Hooper is of Norse ancestry and he’s trying to keep a black man down, plus he’s got that sweet oil money – where’s the racial racket?

    • Shmooviyet says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      Doug Hooper is a fat lyin’ loaf of Wonder Bread.
      Those race hustler types always seem to go their corners, or take a swing at the con, when it’s between a muslim/muslims and a conservative black man or woman. As if the conservative is “less black” than the muslim.
      Backing the Nation of Islam?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:54 pm

      Now we have a black guy as the bigot. That’s progress. If you don’t believe what the NYT and WaPo believe, and their fervent followers in the news entertainer industry, then you are being bad and that cannot be accepted.

      So long as we continue to dwell in this fact free world, filled with fictive realities backed by all the power of ahistoricity, the decline will continue. The question is when do we reach the point of no return, critical mass, so to speak. If we haven’t already.

  12. dlbrand says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    “the only people who agree with Ben Carson’s statements about a Muslim president, Sharia, and the Constitution are racist, bigoted Islamophobes,” AKA, the well-read, thus, well informed on and from Islam’s “sacred texts.”

    • Wellington says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      I second your assessment, dlbrand. Sorry-ass age we live in, no, whereby truth is identified as hate speech and ignorance or deception is accorded respect?

      Can’t help but recall what Sabatini attributed to that 18th-century clown, Scaramouche, to wit, that he was born with a gift for laughter and a sense that the world is mad.

      True then I submit. True now I submit. A fine defenible approach, I submit, against the madness (and stupidity) which too often confronts us. But so much for submissions.

      Take care my JW “associate” in this extra silly age in which we live. And hopefully you will do so with a “gift for laughter and a sense that the world is mad,” if for no other reason than as a quite sane defense mechanism for personal survival in this Age of Nonsense in which we live.

      Best to you and those you hold most dear to you. Hold them close and even closer if you have such luck because doing so is what matters above all else, especially so in a mad world.

      • dlbrand says

        Sep 23, 2015 at 1:36 am

        I hear you, my Friend.

        Indeed.

  13. mortimer says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    The media needs to ask Robert Spencer and CAIR to debate the issue of TAQIYYA!

    Ben Carson will ask ROBER SPENCER to provide information about TAQIYYA to strengthen his argument…that is, if Dr. Carson and his advisors are WISE enough to ask for the information!

    They should email and telephone ROBERT SPENCER immediately.

  14. Kuffar says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 3:20 pm

    Count me among the islamophobes. I fear some islamonazi cutting off my head or the heads of my family.

    I guess that makes me an islamophobe.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 5:57 pm

      To invoke the Yale/Oxford wisdom of that grate sex fiend ex-Prez Bill, that depends on what the definition of the word “is” is. Phobia is defined as an irrational fear, so I regret to inform you that you fail to qualify as an Islamophobe. But notice that the phrase “Phobia is defined as…” contains the word “is” in it. All definitions are afloat now, we have cast away the thick dock rope and and drifting off into the unexplored world of relativism. But don’t worry, I’m sure there won’t be any bad storms on the way.

  15. wildjew says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    Breitbart’s lead story this afternoon: “REPORT: MUSLIMS ARE THE FASTEST GROWING IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY”

    This is why Dr. Carson is only partially right. It is meaningless for a Muslim to take an oath that he will follow the US Constitution because of the concept of taqiyya, deception for the sake of furthering Islam and the jihad. Barack Hussein Obama IS a case in point.

    • Shmooviyet says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm

      Agreed on the Taqiyya…
      On Hannity last night, Sean was asking Dr. Carson if a muslim did this and this and this, would he be acceptable as President? But doing all Hannity suggested would make the ‘muslim Prez’ NOT muslim, an apostate, or a large liar. Is Sean unaware of such basics? If not, why ask the silly question?
      A lot of foolishness.

  16. Mamie Dewar says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Islamophobes? No, no! ISLAMOREALISTS!

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 6:02 pm

      I like Islamosavants better. Or maybe Islamoagnists. Or Islamocognates. But those are too intellectual sounding, so maybe Islamoknowers. Maybe you’re right, maybe Islamorealists is best.

  17. kepha says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    I like Dr. Carson more and more. He took on Obamacare, and now he’s taking on Sharia, which no-one else seems willing to do. As for the Donald, he wussed out before that Shrillary Shrooo plant.

    • Wellington says

      Sep 22, 2015 at 9:31 pm

      I second your comment, Kepha.

  18. Edward says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    “In PJ Media today I show how Carson almost literally quoted Islamic doctrine and prominent Muslim leadership, and for this he is labeled a bigot.” – Robert Spencer

    Dr. Ben Carson wasn’t lying when he said he had a brain to handle the tasks, during his 1st GOP debate! A turbo charged BRAIN at best.

    Here’s Dr. Carson’s Thursday, August 6, 2015 interaction with Fox’s Megyn Kelly GOP debate video.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4404489370001/dr-ben-carson-takes-on-foreign-policy-mishaps/?intcmp=hpnav&playlist_id=4400878356001#sp=show-clips 1:34 min. vide

    The following Carson’s video where he stands by belief that a Muslim shouldn’t be president on recent Fox’s Hannity interview video, where he poignantly stress’ that an individual that is “hell bent” to rule in a theocracy style governance would not be compatible within the US Constitutional laws!

    “hell bent”: my emphasis

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4500207939001/carson-stands-by-belief-that-a-muslim-shouldnt-be-president/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips 8:19 min. video

    With a JW’s Robert Spencer and Dr. Ben Carson team at the helm of the US government administration (2016-2022) will bring SANITY and will HARBOR the truth like no other sitting US presidents before!

    These two fearless men with unifying mindsets will light the beacons of many nations to help them rid the dangerous encroachment of evil minded people on their lands. To help timid people learn that fear can be conquered to win our dignity back.

    “We call a man a bigot or a slave of dogma because he is a thinker who has thought thoroughly and to a definite end.” – Gilbert K. Chesterton

    HARBOR: to keep or hold in the mind; maintain

  19. Jeremiah says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    A Muslim candidate for President of America is taught to deceive people to subjugate that Nation to Islam. That means he could lie about his birth certificate. He could lie about his religious preference. He could lie about his funding. He could lie about his intentions. He could try to convince us that it is time to change the constitution without holding referendums. In the face of an incompetent Congress such a person could create his own laws. Its a good thing we have an electoral commission that never sleeps.

  20. rubiconrest says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    It is great that Ben answered the question truthfully about a Muslim president and Sharia Law. The silent majority of educated US Muslims know that Sharia is the ultimate goal but will be powerless to stop a movement to abolish Sharia in the USA since their is no defense for the lack of constitutional protections afforded by it. The better we know Islamic Law the better it is for the country. Thank you Ben.

  21. Matthieu Baudin says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    “…People often invoke Turkey as an example of how Islam and democracy are fully compatible. In reality, the secular Turkish republic was established in an atmosphere of war with Islam, with explicit restrictions placed upon political Islam that were considered necessary so as to rein in its authoritarian, supremacist, anti-democratic tendencies. Now, the Erdogan regime is reasserting Islam’s political aspects. Turkish secularism has been severely weakened, and may not be long for this world…”

    This is true. Kemal Attarturk attempted to radically reform Islamic practice in Turkey during his rule by enforcing Islam’s retreat ‘to the barracks’ so as to remove it from participation in politics and enable Turkish society to emerge into the light of a modern 20th Century. Erdogan and his supporters are systematically dismantling Attarturks reforms and are falling into line with the fashionable (international) reawakening of Islamic identity.

  22. David says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 2:24 am

    A system based upon consultation is clearly better than one based on purely authoritarian dictatorship but you still need a moral compass to come from ‘somewhere’ to define right and wrong.

    There is much confusion in society about morality and good and evil and there is no-one in a position to adjudicate on the matter so wrong moral decisions will affect generations to come and shape our world adversely.

    That is why Baha’u’llah came to bring the blueprint for a new world civilisation. There is nowhere else for humanity to turn to but the World Order of Baha’u’llah. it is a unique system based upon humanitarian and spiritual values elected democratically but without the corruption of nomineering or lobbying. It is a system sent to us by God at a time when all the world’s systems have failed humanity.

    THE world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed. -Baha’u’llah

  23. Aton says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 5:05 am

    Quote:
    That means that both the ruler and the ruled in Islam are subject to a higher criterion for decision-making, that is, divine guidance.
    ____________________________________

    Or, in practice, subject to the arbitrary whim of a rabidly fanatical imam.

    Aton

  24. Marty says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 5:40 am

    Ben Carson stands head & shoulders above all the other
    contenders.
    If the US does not make him the first black (am I still allowed to say that ?)
    Republican President, then it has lost all sense of its own history & position
    in the world.

  25. Bill Hausman says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 3:18 pm

    Where can I go to directly express my support to Carson’s campaign headquarters? There is nothing more noxious and destructive to this country—actually to the world— than the militaristic religion of Islam and its doctrine to subjugate all of the world. This is not speculation. It’s a commandment codified in the Qur’an. Period.

    • Chrisrm says

      Sep 23, 2015 at 5:59 pm

      Google Dr. Ben Carson and you will see the website for his campaign.

  26. Raja says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    Anti Dhimmitude,

    Your comment “worst of created beings” in Islam says it all about Islam. allah, was incapable of creating something good. God of Bible made everything good. allah made women much less worthy so on and so forth. It seems the problem is allah and his evil prophet Mo.

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