“It would appear that the headline that speaks of Pope Francis’ ‘silent revolution’ has deeply angered the Saudi regime, ever fearful of riots and protests. For the religious authorities, the concept of a religion that is ‘fluid’ and open to ‘change’ and modernity (which is what the Argentine Pope is doing for the Catholic Church according to the magazine) is exactly what they are opposed to, maintaining a ‘pure’ and unchangeable version of Islam.” Those who are placing their hopes and betting the future of the West on Islamic reform should consider that carefully.
“Riyadh censors National Geographic issue featuring Pope Francis,” Asia News, September 10, 2015:
Riyadh (AsiaNews / Agencies) – Riyadh authorities have censored the Arabic version of the August issue of National Geographic, which featured a cover photo of Pope Francis. Although officially there has been no explanation of the ban, the leaders of the Islamic country are reportedly “offended” by the of the head of the Catholic Church presence in the prestigious journal.
In a brief Twitter message, the leaders of the Arabic version of National Geographic spoke of a “banned” edition for “cultural” reasons without providing further details.
According to reports from the site foreignpolicy.com, director Alsaad Omar al-Menhaly apologized to readers for the non-distribution of the August edition, due to the fact that the magazine “did not receive entry permission [into the country] for cultural reasons “.
It would appear that the headline that speaks of Pope Francis’ “silent revolution” has deeply angered the Saudi regime, ever fearful of riots and protests. For the religious authorities, the concept of a religion that is “fluid” and open to “change” and modernity (which is what the Argentine Pope is doing for the Catholic Church according to the magazine) is exactly what they are opposed to, maintaining a “pure” and unchangeable version of Islam.
Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, or Islamic law, which imposes the “death penalty” in cases of “murder, rape, drug trafficking and sorcery.” In the ultra-conservative Sunni Wahhabi kingdom, women are forbidden to drive and must always be accompanied by a man with whom they have close ties of kinship.
Moreover, these days, the Pope continues to promote a policy of welcome and support for refugees fleeing from the wars in the Middle East, particularly the Syrians (mostly Muslims), opening the doors of the Vatican and inviting priests to do the same in parishes; compared to a Saudi Arabia that has never accepted any refugees in four years of conflict, and who have effectively sealed their borders.

John spielman says
Perhaps National Geographic should a photo essay of Islamic crucifixions, beheadings amputations stoning hanging and women in black garbage bags that should please KSA officials
Smokey says
Yes, and I am sure that this would be far more appealing to them. Remember all Non-Muslims are infidels! As to the ones that have no clue about the Quran and say that they know nice Muslims, there is no such thing, their Quran states clearly on several occasions that all Non-muslims are infidels/ etc..
Smokey says
Muslims, they are nothing but haters. They make rather clear that they have no respect for other religions and yet the Liberals and democrats support them and want to open the flood gates to hundreds of thousands of Syrians. SMH!
There must be a stupid pill being put in our water with some many sheep being led to the slaughter these days.
John spielmam says
Or at least give KSA a reason to ban Nat Geo: publish all the “every one draw muhammed cartoons
Dan says
The only reason the pope is featured in this greenie rag is because he supports man made climate change and socialism.
As a Catholic who TRIES to attend Mass regularly, in the past few years I’ve heard sermons about “Social Justice” and to say prayers our leaders address “climate change” issues, and have sent letters to the Priest every time basically stating, “Can the Commie propaganda. Pope Pius is spinning in his grave.” because, if any would bother to check the real history about the so called “Hitler’s Pope” Pius hated the Nazis AND the Communists, and Stalin made it his person mission to tar Pius as a Nazi sympathizer.
But I digress.
Although for how Pope Francis is cozying up to Odumba and Islamists, he could very well have been a communist/Nazi sympathizer if he’d lived in the time.
Kathy Brown, Esq. says
Try our FSSP/Trad Latin Mass community. You’ll find lots of traditional Catholics there, with nary a word about Social Justice/Climate Change idiocy. Trust me-it’s heaven (almost literally!).
And of course you’re right-as if the uber-Left Nat’l Geo would ‘feature’ the Pope, did he not spew their moronic mantras.
Dan says
Thanks.
Will have to look into it.
But being in a fairly small western city, if we back off here, we gots no place to go.
And I’ve always been kind of a stubborn blinkity blank anyway.
With a lil’ bit of “Guidance” I hope to make curmudgeony some day.
Wellington says
Well said, Kathy Brown. I’m not religious but Vatican II had the effect of destroying a great deal of traditional Catholicism and the end result of this error by John XXIII is Francis I.
Angemon says
Ah, but you see, Saudi Arabia wants to pay for the mosques where these “refugees” will pray. See? The Saudis are nice after all… sarc./ off
Celtic Sword says
The largest mosque in Europe is already in Rome. Islamists will try to attack the Vatican at some point.
Brian Boru says
How does it compare in size to the mosk in Dublin, Ireland?
Celtic Sword says
See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKQjRRH1y2Q
…BTW, are you the other “Brian”? I was plain Brian posting here and changed to “Celtic Sword” so as to not confuse…
Anthony says
This is how it works, the Moslem’s exporting refugees, the Christian’s are accepting them and while accepting the fact they have to pray to their allah, the Saudi’s building the mosques for them…what a splendid arrangement for suicidal Europe !!!! The social and economic burden will eventually kills Europe in 20-30 years time. Adios Europe !
Andrew says
If our leaders had any sense, this thought follows judeo-christian reasoning; treat them as they treat us.
why do you think they don’t allow churches?
why do you think they don’t allow immigrants?
one answer could be that it will lead to conflict. They want us to have this conflict. Therfore if our leaders had any sense they would act exactly like the arab states or even Australia – with turning the boats back.
Why do our leaders besides Harper despise their own people so much? it’s crazy….instead of allowing in people who want to change your culture, why not be proud of it and maybe offer some incentives for new families…
nuts…all of it.
mike says
Who really cares what the Saudi’s like?
Katnis says
He’s making a point. muslims are already challenging free speech in the US and in Europe. This is just another example of what we can see more of in the future. Further, any hope to educate the muslims as to why their “religion” is a crock of sh!t is squashed by censorship of press. We need to hold onto our freedom of speech and freedom of the press. It’s crucial for a democracy!
Karen says
Good point; I certainly don’t. For that matter, who cares about anything this pope says or does either?
Andrew says
why the heck would germany allow even one mosque from Saudi Arabia? If these “migrants” wanna become german then they will undoubtedly be changing their religions to Christianity (back bone of Germany); and if not, why the heck are they going to Germany? – – – to change it obviously.
This whole “migrant Crisis” only exists because Europeans are morons. Jeez, like you already only have this tiny bit of land….the world would understand if you turned the boats back….Like the Auzzies….or perhaps the EU should actually create their first state Libya, and any other broken countries these freaks are coming from…..meet them there, not at your front door. They essentially need forces to control the insanity in libya. Then the flow will stop.
Gotta make Libya and Syria safe and simultaneously block the migrants. “sorry pal, Europe is already full.”
F-ing take libya into the union and simultaneously take control of it…..keep the muzz over there…..
Libya needs control.
Can’t believe how gutless the euro states are………..DO anything to correct obamas mess. Besides suicide.
Gotta add, it’s ridiculous how the dead toddler is somehow Europes fault….but I think it illustrates how we are different from the muzz. They first and foremost love allah, and mohamed they love a million times more then their own children – ask any muslim.
We on the other hand are the opposite.
abad says
Really.
Do Moslems actually like to give the rest of the world the impression that they are mentally ill with their ungodly screeches of “Allah” “Mahomet” and “Allahu Akhbar”?
Smokey says
The Pope is just trying to be a Good Roman Catholic by showing compassion for all human beings unlike the Muslims.
Peggy says
Who is he tryint to impress? Not us. We don’t want them and we only resent him for pushing this on us.
He should be serving his people but it looks like he is taking them all bound and will chain them to a post and allow the wolves to devour them.
Is this work of a good Christian?
umbra says
… this is the work of a moron.
gravenimage says
Saudis “offended” by National Geographic featuring Pope, ban the issue
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More Islamic crushing of freedom of speech.
Here’s the very influential Islam Q and A on free speech and human rights:
http://islamqa.info/en/97827
In it, they slam any criticism of Islam and the “Prophet”, or the freedom to leave Islam.
As a “bonus”, they also laud forced marriage and stoning women to death. Normative Islam.
Mazo says
islamqa is banned in Saudi Arabia and the url is blocked on the Saudi internet.
gravenimage says
Ah–and this must mean that Saudi Arabia does not adhere to any of the Islamic barbarism touted by sites like Islam Q and A…sarc/off
Also, don’t you love the idea that pious Muslims like Mazo are citing Saudi Arabia banning sites and blocking urls to try to refute the idea that Islam is opposed to freedom of speech? Good grief…
Jack Diamond says
Islam Q&A was blocked because it issued fatwas independent of the kingdom’s Council of Senior Scholars. Period. Muhammad Saalih Al-Munajjid of Islam Q&A is a Saudi imam and the website is a wildly popular source on Islamic fiqh.
Here is Islam Q&A on Wahhabism as pure Tawheed:
“With regard to the word “Wahhaabis”, some people use this word to refer to the message of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab ibn Sulaymaan al-Tameemi al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him), and they call him and his followers Wahhaabis. Everyone who has any knowledge of the movement of Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhaab (may Allaah have mercy on him) and his message knows that he sought to spread the message of pure Tawheed and to warn against shirk in all its forms, such as attachment to the dead, or to trees and rocks, etc. In his ‘aqeedah (belief), he was following the way of the righteous Salaf and the Taabi’een [i.e., the earliest generations of Islam], as is indicated by his books and fatwas, and the books of his followers among his sons and grandsons and others. All of these books are in print and are in circulation among the people. His message was in accordance with the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Wahhaabism is not a new way or a new school of thought; rather it is a call to Tawheed and the revival of aspects of the religion that had been forgotten. What you have to do is to beware of those who warn you against the Wahhaabis, because they are warning you against following the truth and the early generation of this ummah.”
Linde Barrera says
The only people who get mad at you for speaking the truth are those who are living a lie. Take that, Saudis.
Peggy says
Actually they are not living a lie. They are quite open about what they want and live that way. They are living their own truth. Now that happens to be a lie for us but is definitely the truth to them.
We are the ones living a lie. We are lied to every day about Islam and their intentions and so many of us swallow it.
mortimer says
The cognitive dissonance of Muslims intensifies due to stories like that of National Geographic. Their response is to withdraw and censor the suggestion that religious ideas develop. With good reason.
Islam must either be accepted blindly AS IS or totally rejected AS IS as preposterous and unreformable.
tilda says
The bigger question here is: Why doesn’t National Geographic flood the internet with electronic (*.pdf) copies of the offending article and photographs? (Probably a rhetorical question, but….)
g says
tilda wrote:
The bigger question here is: Why doesn’t National Geographic flood the internet with electronic (*.pdf) copies of the offending article and photographs? (Probably a rhetorical question, but….)
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Not really. This article is available on-line, just like any other National Geographic piece:
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/08/vatican/draper-text
Of course, Saudi Arabia will probably block this url. Nothing National Geographic can do about that.
gravenimage says
“g” should be “gravenimage”.
Ginger says
The Pope’s not-so-silent revolution embracing some of the worst aspects of the world is rather worrying for Catholics. That said, the clear evil of the supremacist cult of Islam is even more worrying.
boris99 says
The entire world is offended by Saudi Arabia. Lets ban it.
gabi says
Hey, boris99, don’t you know Saudi Arabia protects/guarantees the dollar with his oil? All the USA stays on the Saudi oil, how can ever USA ban it?
alpha_1 says
I’m RC and I’m not exactly sure that the Pope is doing the right things. However, I also live in a society and culture that honours life, equality, and liberty. Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion are paramount where I live. The Pope, as head of the Roman Catholic Church can do certain things, though he may be overdoing it in my opinion. I trust in God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit to see me through no matter what the Church does. I am thankful that I live in a free and open society.
Dan says
At the rate we’re going?
Ain’t gonna be free and open for long.
steve says
I guess next we won’t be able to draw the Pope
Steve says
This is really not about the Pope. This is about National Geographic because it reminds Islamists that the earth is really not flat after all.
gravenimage says
This isn’t really even about National Geographic.
It is is just about Islam banning discussion of *anything* it finds inconvenient.
Freedom of speech is un-Islamic.
David M says
A lot of people will be “offended” if the missing 28 pages of the 9/11 report are ever released, which supposedly show Saudi government involvement. I am offended Obama won’t release it.
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB0QFjAAahUKEwiqkJLK–7HAhVjnqYKHfvhAKA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.globalresearch.ca%2Fthe-alleged-involvement-of-saudi-arabia-in-911-bob-graham-and-the-missing-28-pages-of-the-911-commission-report%2F5448906&usg=AFQjCNHM21m8-ZpATzfKOfJ1OhU1hpX9lg&sig2=Ndc9p6s2Ce1LMYvhXyR2XA
Brian Boru says
Here is Sheryl Atkinson’s view on that subject. Sheryl is the reporter whose computer was purportedly hacked by one of Obummer’s ‘Government entities’. She is a former CNN and CBS investigative reporter. I trust Cheryl more than 99% of what currently masquerades as MSM investigative reporters.
https://sharylattkisson.com/investigation-the-us-governments-911-secrets-video/
JULIO says
SAUDI ARABIA DOESN’T WANT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SHIAS LIKE OBAMA (BELIEFS)…
Brian Boru says
Obummer is most likely a sunni variety muslim as most of his islamic indoctrination took place in Indonesia which is predominately sunni (this does not preclude him being shiit variety muslim though). It is more likely Obummers ‘Nuclear Weapons For Iran’ initiative is underwritten by Iranian born Valeri Jarret (one of the most vile, corrupt political-thugs to ever have influence over a sitting POTUS). Read what Dr. Milton R. Wolf Obummers second cousin has to say.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/dr-milton-r-wolf/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/24/tyranny-in-our-time/?page=all
My belief that Obummer is sunni variety cancer infused is underpinned by the images of him bowing to the King of the ‘House of Sod’.
George Bush is also under obligation to the ‘House of Sod’. I lived in Texas in the late ‘90’s when Bush’s massively failing oil exploration company was magically revived by ‘House of Sod’ cash infusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy
I believe The relationships between Bush and Obummer (none of which are good in the context of American patriotism) and ‘House of Sod’ are the focus of the Cheryl Atkinson piece.
NEVER forget 9/11 my American friends. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals and adherents of the ideological cancer that is islam.
Brian Boru says
Obummer is most likely a sunni variety muslim as most of his islamic indoctrination took place in Indonesia which is predominately sunni (this does not preclude him being shiit variety muslim though). It is more likely Obummers ‘Nuclear Weapons For Iran’ initiative is underwritten by Iranian born Valeri Jarret (one of the most vile, corrupt political-thugs to ever have influence over a sitting POTUS). Read what Dr. Milton R. Wolf Obummers second cousin has to say
http://www.washingtontimes.com/staff/dr-milton-r-wolf/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/24/tyranny-in-our-time/?page=all
My belief that Obummer is sunni variety cancer infused is underpinned by the images of him bowing to the King of the ‘House of Sod’
George Bush is also under obligation to the ‘House of Sod’. I lived in Texas in the late ‘90’s when Bush’s massively failing oil exploration company was magically revived by ‘House of Sod’ cash infusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy
I believe The relationships between Bush and Obummer (none of which are good in the context of American patriotism) and ‘House of Sod’ are the focus of the Cheryl Atkinson piece.
NEVER forget 9/11 my American friends. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals and adherents of the ideological cancer that is islam.
TH says
The notion that Pope Francis is somehow going to radically change Catholic doctrine regarding such issues which are cearly established Catholic teaching now for 2000 years is preposterous. He cannot do any of that. He seems to want to give a say to those who want some of this, but at the end of the day he is going to have to come out clearly on such issues, as in fact he already has, but the media who love him for the wrong reasons, fail to report. Yes, he has been wrong on issues that are marginal or not part of Church teaching such as the nature of islam and global warming. He has no competence on such issues and he would be far better off not opining on them as he is only reducing the confidence which Catholics traditionally have had in papal teaching. . Any Catholic whoh wants to know what Islam is about need not pay any attention to what he has to say on this, and likewise on his opinions regarding global warming. The media love him and many Catholics are not very happy with him. However, the notion that somewhow he is going to radically change Catholic teaching on such matters as abortion, contraception, divorce, and in general sexual morality is totally false. Even if he wanted to do that, he couldn’t. If he tried to do it he would be provoking a schism and would be considered by many an ilegimate pope. He is not stupid and is not going to do that. Catholic teaching is based on the Bible and the tradition of the Chuch over the centuries and in all these issues it is clearly established and cannot be changed by any pope.
Vivienne Havalant (Leijonhufvud) says
If only IRAN would get rid of the Ayatollah’s the middle east might stand a chance. The real ‘niga in the woodpile’ is SAUDI ARABIA and Wahhabi Sunni ISLAM! This is where all our troubles come from. Where is old PERSIA, who adopted Queen Esther and helped to build the second Temple?
gravenimage says
Where is old PERSIA, who adopted Queen Esther and helped to build the second Temple?
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Centuries dead, I’m afraid–buried under Islam.
There seems to be a great deal of hope that the people of Iran are poised to overthrow Islam at any moment and mass-apostasize, but I have to admit this does not appear to based on anything substantive. Instead, they are still screaming “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”.
God knows, I wish it were otherwise.
Mazo says
There are still Persian Zoroastrians in Iran today in cities like Yazd. They still worship in their fire temples. There also also Parsi Zoroastrians in Pakistan and India.
The threat to their existence comes from westernized lifestyles which have led to a severe decline in the birthrate among Zoroastrians in both Iran and South Asia (Pakistan and India).
Because of westernization and urbanization Zoroastrians are being driven to extincation. Then “Old Persia” will be gone.
gravenimage says
The ludicrous Muslim apologist Mazo wrote:
There are still Persian Zoroastrians in Iran today in cities like Yazd. They still worship in their fire temples. There also also Parsi Zoroastrians in Pakistan and India.
The threat to their existence comes from westernized lifestyles which have led to a severe decline in the birthrate among Zoroastrians in both Iran and South Asia (Pakistan and India).
Because of westernization and urbanization Zoroastrians are being driven to extincation (sic). Then “Old Persia” will be gone.
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Ah…right. No one is threatening Zorostrians into adopting a Western or urbanized lifestyle.
Would that it were true that Zorostrians were facing no such threat from Mazo’s vicious Muslim coreligionists:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Zoroastrians
Mazo is trying to pretend that 1300 years of systematic oppression and murder has had nothing to do with the decline of Zoroastrianism, but 75 years or so of the attraction of cool-looking Western lifestyles is actually to blame…
Angemon says
Yes, I’m sure that the treatment they get on the daily basis at the hands of their neighbour muslims in their homeland has nothing to do with it. It’s always the West’s fault with you, isn’t it? Typical maz-holery…
Incek Mahallesi says
A:
“Typical maz-holery…”
Yep. And isn’t it amazing, that Mazo/Horseboy is an expert on EVERYWHERE? From China to Indonesia, to Iraq and Saudi, to the Philippines to Iran and everywhere in between…
It’s incredible, isn’t it?
One gets the distinct idea that the asshattery artist hasn’t been to any of those places.
____________________________________________________________________
Strange that he has zero “expert info” on the geography of the USA, now isn’t it?
He’s a Mozlem trying to throw sand again – his motive being to attempt to obfuscate the religious intolerance of the Saudis.
And, uh…yeah – I’ve been there, done that Saudi gig.
Mazo says
Sort of amazing how Vivienne Havalant has never been to Iran and its yapping her mouth off about it, neither had gravenimage been to Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country, neither has dumbledoresarmy stepped foot in Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country. And the looser who married a third world transvestite never comments on it eh?
Also amazing how Dumbledoresarmy, who has never been to Arab countries also spontaneously shoots crap out of her mouth about how Muslims hate music and destroy musical instruments on multiple articles, including one about ISIS destroying Jonah’s tomb.
You know what else is amazing? A loser with a Filipina mail order bride, who knows that dumbledoresarmy has never been to an Arab country, who also knows Arabs like listening to music, instead of even politely correcting dumbledoresarmy’s plain stupid misconsceptions, focuses his homosexual crush on me and unleashes a torrent of profanity. Anyone can check out the article on Jonah’s tomb where this happened. He clearly saw dumbledoresarmy’s stupid post on Muslims and music and said nothing to her. I said only Salafis are against music while Dumbledoresarmy claimed Muslims hate music. The loser tries to jump on me saying that “Salafist” kids listen to music. Since when are kids the epitome of religious observance? A 15 year old can issue fatawa?
Since cravenmirage cited salafist website islamqa I will provide fatawa by from that website on music.
islamaa.info/en/5000
Its amazing how the vast majority of JWatchers never been to any Muslim country start spewing tons of crap and wrong information, and never get corrected by our horny obsessed friend, while he knows they are spewing lies.
He is a liar himself, claiming that there are zero Muslims in Hangzhou and that Chaldeans are ethnic Kurds.
There are only two people here who tell the truth about their travels, Semeru and Kepha. And one class act liar who hasn’t provided any proof that he has travelled to the places he claimed he went to.
This is the same guy who threatened to beat Semeru and openly wished for Muslims to die and bragged about his degrees, yet is such a coward he won’t provide any proof of his educational attaiments and degrees nor any proof of where he went.
Semeru is in Indonesia now and has been for years while our homo friend constantly tries to lecture Semeru on the country he is living in. Semeru himself had a tussle with idiots like you over the music issue, he noted Indonesians love listening to music and turn it on loud while dumbledoresarmy was spewing the crap again about Muslims hating music.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Sort of amazing how Vivienne Havalant has never been to Iran and its yapping her mouth off about it, neither had gravenimage been to Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country, neither has dumbledoresarmy stepped foot in Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country.”
Even if that’s the case, so what? Do people magically get knowledge imprinted on their brains whenever they set foot on a country? And conversely, are people who never went to a country magically forbidden from ever learning anything about said country? Of course not. Quick question – why do you and your coreligionists pray in a language most of you couldn’t distinguish from goats bleating?
“There are only two people here who tell the truth about their travels, Semeru and Kepha. And one class act liar who hasn’t provided any proof that he has travelled to the places he claimed he went to.”
As far as I know, neither semeru nor Kepha ever presented plane tickets or passports to prove they’ve traveled anywhere. The difference between them and the people you’re mentioning is that you wholeheartedly agree with what defender of islam semeru says because he’s always standing up for islam, and you agreed with what Kepha said some times, so claiming he’d never went here or there would be shooting yourself in the foot. But not only you don’t like what PJ had to say, he also managed to get under your skin and play you like a violin, ergo, and according to you, he never traveled anywhere.
“This is the same guy who threatened to beat Semeru”
Really? Does he know where semeru lives and who he is? Can you link to the offending post?
“yet is such a coward he won’t provide any proof of his educational attaiments and degrees nor any proof of where he went.”
Like I stated above, neither did semeru or Kepha – that doesn’t stop you from stating they’re the real deal, so your claim is moot.
“Semeru himself had a tussle with idiots like you over the music issue, he noted Indonesians love listening to music and turn it on loud while dumbledoresarmy was spewing the crap again about Muslims hating music.”
Right, because not only islam is what muslims do and not what its texts say, there’s also only one sect of muslims worldwide, and they all abide by the same rules… sarc./off
You’d do well to remember what semeru has gone out of his way to assure us of…
Angemon says
Mazo:
“Its amazing how the vast majority of JWatchers never been to any Muslim country start spewing tons of crap and wrong information, and never get corrected by our horny obsessed friend, while he knows they are spewing lies.”
And further down:
“There are only two people here who tell the truth about their travels, Semeru and Kepha. And one class act liar who hasn’t provided any proof that he has travelled to the places he claimed he went to.”
How could PJ correct anyone about what goes on in muslim countries when, according to you, he never went to a muslim country? I know you like to fling crap, like a monkey with its feces, but when you do things in a blind rage you end up having to eat it.
Mazo says
The homo has yet to reply to his hypocrisy and lies which I pointed out earlier.
http ://www.jihadwatch. org/2015/09/more-than-100000-asylum-seekers-enter-germany-in-august/comment-page-1#comment-1289546
Mazo says
Thinking about committing pre marital adultery is a bad thing in Islam. Yet all horny teenagers, including children from Salafist families will inevitably think about it and struggle through puberty. Does this, according to your incredibly stupid logic, mean Salafists are okay with adultery? Kids do lots of things which are not permissible. Why don’t you provide a Salafi Fatwa saying music is okay? Are you that thick in the head?
Mazo says
Jihadski claims to have been in Iraqi Kurdistan.
He threatented to physically beat Semeru.
He wished open violence on Muslims and said Muslims should die.
The Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga has foreign volunteers coming from many different countries. Yet Jihadski is not one of them.
It seems Jihadski doesn’t have the balls to put his money where his mouth is. Typical vain keyboard warrior cowardness and narcisstic behavior, all threats, bravado, and bragging but nothing to show for it.
Angemon says
Awwww, is the wittle baby angwy? Does the mere mention of PJ sends you into a ranging frenzy? Tsk tsk…
Jay Boo says
Allah is always pissed off at Muslims.
If a Muslim(a) has bad luck, he or she believes Allah is sending down condemnation.
How sad is that?
The neighbors may offer sympathy even while they simultaneously whisper with a ‘knowing wink’ Allah’s will.
How sad is that?
gravenimage says
Mazo, who appear to be completely losing it at this point, wrote:
Sort of amazing how Vivienne Havalant has never been to Iran and its yapping her mouth off about it, neither had gravenimage been to Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country, neither has dumbledoresarmy stepped foot in Saudi Arabia or any Muslim country. And the looser(sic) who married a third world transvestite never comments on it eh?
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The idea that Infidels have to go to Islamic hell holes like Iran and Saudi Arabia–where we would expose themselves to the threat of arrest and torture–before they may be allowed to comment on the threat of Islam, is simply grotesque.
“Iran: Pastor “viciously beaten” in prison, told only way out is to deny Christ”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/iran-pastor-viciously-beaten-in-prison-told-only-way-out-is-to-deny-christ
“Saudi Arabia: 42 Ethiopian Christians arrested for prayer meeting”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/12/saudi-arabia-42-ethiopian-christians-arrested-for-prayer-meeting
“Iranian police rape and murder woman for ‘bad hijab’”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/07/iranian-police-rape-and-murder-woman-for-bad-hijab
Why would any Infidel–especially a woman–hesitate to visit such fine stretches of Dar-al-Islam? Really, it’s a mystery…sarc/off
And now it appears that he believes that Philip Jihadski should castigate us for taking advantage of this wonderful travel opportunity…
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Also amazing how Dumbledoresarmy, who has never been to Arab countries also spontaneously shoots crap out of her mouth about how Muslims hate music and destroy musical instruments on multiple articles, including one about ISIS destroying Jonah’s tomb.
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Where did Dumbledore’s Army ever get such a crazy idea?
“Islamic State: Jail for skinny jeans, music, smoking”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/islamic-state-jail-for-skinny-jeans-music-smoking
“Muslim former guitarist now preaches against music”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/02/muslim-former-guitarist-now-preaches-against-music
Pious Jihadists have also shut down Mali’s famous music festival. Pakistani cities have stopped playing music on buses after threatened by the Taliban. There are hundreds more such stories.
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You know what else is amazing? A loser with a Filipina mail order bride, who knows that dumbledoresarmy has never been to an Arab country, who also knows Arabs like listening to music, instead of even politely correcting dumbledoresarmy’s plain stupid misconsceptions, focuses his homosexual crush on me and unleashes a torrent of profanity. Anyone can check out the article on Jonah’s tomb where this happened. He clearly saw dumbledoresarmy’s stupid post on Muslims and music and said nothing to her…
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Good grief–why does Mazo believe that PJ–whom he is insulting in outrageous and laughably ludicrous ways here–has to act as an apologist for Islam here?
Surely Mazo believes that this is *everyone’s* role, and the fact that we are not submitting properly is why he is so enraged here. At least he can’t lash out over the internet with suicide vest or IEDs…
No one here–including Dumbledore’s Army–has said that there are no Muslims who listen to music. We have both simply noted that music is Haram in the texts and tenets of Islam and the model of the “Prophet”–and even more to the point, that there are pious coreligionists of Mazo’s willing and eager to violently enforce such a ban.
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Since cravenmirage (sic) cited salafist website islamqa I will provide fatawa by from that website on music.
islamaa.info/en/5000
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Well, *this* is odd. We all know that Muslims do not know how to debate–can it be that Mazo’s completely misunderstands that in such an exchange, he should cite references that support his position, and refute those of the person he is disagreeing with?
The fact is that the link he provides does nothing but confirm that music, singing, and the use of musical instruments is Haram in Islam (with the possible exception of Islamic chanting and the use of drums, which I have noted), that the “Prophet” confirmed this many times, and that the schools of Islamic jurisprudence all concur.
Certainly, there is nothing in this link to support Mazo’s assertion that music is considered Halal in Islam.
Then he goes back to ragging on PJ–including making the truly bizarre assertion that he has to join the Peshmerga or else he isn’t (somehow) ‘putting his money where his mouth is”. Truly odd. As I noted above, Mazo’s frustration in dealing with free Infidels who refuse to submit to Muslim control seems to have rather unhinged him.
Angemon says
gravenimage posted:
“Well, *this* is odd. We all know that Muslims do not know how to debate–can it be that Mazo’s completely misunderstands that in such an exchange, he should cite references that support his position, and refute those of the person he is disagreeing with?”
Not the first time he does that.
Mazo says
Nobody is currently killing Zoroastrians in Iran. Take your meds.
Zoroastrians are a protected community in Iran. They have a reserved seat in the Parliament and are part of the Yazd city council.
Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomaini’s grandson Ayatollah Hassan Khomaini visited the Zoroastrian temple in Tehran, greeted numerous prominent Zoroastrians and stood before the Zoroastrian fire altar. Khomaini is a Sayyid, not an ordinary Iranian.
http ://kzamembers.wikifoundry-mobile. com/m/page/Tehran,+Hassan+Khomaini,+Visits+Fire+Temple,+Photos+
Zoroastrians serve in both Pakistan and India’s militaries as officers. Air Commodore Perci Edul Virjee is a member of the Pakistan air force.
There are also reserved seats in the Pakistani Parliament for minorities which is filled by Zoroastrians, a Zoroastrian MP Isphanyar M. Bhandara sits in Parliament as a member of the Pakistan Muslim League party. He also owns Murree Brewery in Pakistan which produces alcoholic beer which is sold and consumed by Zoroastrians.
Right now Zoroastrians are getting screwed by their westernized liberal lifestyle, urbanization and high attainment in the professional sphere and education which has caused their birthrate to plummet. Many Zoroastrian Parsi girls in India are refusing to get married to Zoroastrian men and are instead running off with Hindu men. They complain about how Zoroastrian Parsi culture is “patriarchial” and don’t want to bear children. Their leaders complain about how their population is shrinking.
The sanctions on Iran aren’t making it any better for Zoroastrians there. Their economy needs to improve for the living standard of Zoroastrians to go up and bear more children.
gravenimage says
Yet more from Mazo:
Nobody is currently killing Zoroastrians in Iran. Take your meds.
Zoroastrians are a protected community in Iran. They have a reserved seat in the Parliament and are part of the Yazd city council.
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Yes–we all know what it means to be a “protected person” under Islam–second class citizenship *at best*.
Zoroastrians were afforded some of the same “protections” as the “People of the Book”–Jews and Christians–simply because there were too many Zorastrians for invading Muslims to slaughter them all. So they were just persecuted, humiliated, exploited, and murdered on an ad hoc basis rather than subjected to organized genocide. Of course, they had to pay the crushing Jizya, which the victims had to pay until 1882.
But it’s not as though they didn’t try–invading Muslims made such grotesque boasts as claiming they ran their watermills for three days on the blood of beheaded Zoroastrians, and fed their Jihadist hordes on the resulting flour.
A wave of Muslim violence against Zoroastrians in the tenth century led large numbers of them to flee to Hindu India.
Murders of Zoroastrians were not punished. And why would they be? They are just “filthy Infidels”.
Regular massacres of Zoroastrians continued at least through the 19th century.
And today they cannot be elected to a representative body (except for the seat in the seat in “Parliament”) and from holding senior government or military positions. They also suffer discrimination in the legal system, receiving lower awards in injury and death lawsuits, and incurring heavier punishments, than Muslims. Muslim men are free to marry Zoroastiran women, but this is not a two-way street.
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Zoroastrians serve in both Pakistan and India’s militaries as officers. Air Commodore Perci Edul Virjee is a member of the Pakistan air force.
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Notice how Mazo moves the goal posts–first talking about Iran, then switching to Pakistan and India–one of which is a civilized Infidel nation.
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Right now Zoroastrians are getting screwed by their westernized liberal lifestyle, urbanization and high attainment in the professional sphere and education…
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Oh no! There are some places where Zoroastrians are not persecuted–this is really bad for them, as it is bad for any filthy Infidels not to live under Islamic oppression…
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The sanctions on Iran aren’t making it any better for Zoroastrians there. Their economy needs to improve for the living standard of Zoroastrians to go up and bear more children.
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In other words, we need to do even more to remove those sanctions from Zoroastrians’ oppressors–oh, by the way, it will also help them get the bomb and destroy Israel…
Mazo–and many other pious Muslims–will tell you that If you care about Muslims’ victims, you must do all you can to empower Islam…
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Right now Zoroastrians are getting screwed by their westernized liberal lifestyle, urbanization and high attainment in the professional sphere and education which has caused their birthrate to plummet. Many Zoroastrian Parsi girls in India are refusing to get married to Zoroastrian men and are instead running off with Hindu men. They complain about how Zoroastrian Parsi culture is “patriarchial” and don’t want to bear children. Their leaders complain about how their population is shrinking.
The sanctions on Iran aren’t making it any better for Zoroastrians there. Their economy needs to improve for the living standard of Zoroastrians to go up and bear more children.”
Let’s see if we can make sense of your logic: Zoroastrians willingly choose to opt to have a lifestyle in which they focus on career and, as a result, have smaller families, but unfreezing assets and giving Iran money to fund terrorism is going to cause Zoroastrian to have more children?
You need to lay off the crack pipe, stop obsessing over PJ and start devoting time to rational thinking. Your agenda is blatantly obvious and you’re not fooling anyone here.
Have you finally joined the islamic state but, since you’re too cowardly to go to the field, you try to please your arab masters by going on the “jihad of the pen?
Mazo says
Vivienne and cravenmirage,
Stop talking about Saudi and Iran. You people haven’t been there. Therefore you people can’t say a word about the country. Why are you talking so much garbage about those countries and pretending to be experts.
One of your friends is apparently trying to channel this message indirectly, since he sees you guys spew so much crap but hasn’t said anything. I’m relaying the message for him.
Incek Mahallesi says
I just love it when Mazo blows his stack. Ole’ Jihadski really had a way of getting under his skin, didn’t he? And after all this time…
I think Mazo’s about ready to blow a gasket – or go Jihadi on us.
Must be that Mozlem thing…or, maybe he just needs a job?
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LOL big time.
Angemon says
Incek Mahallesi posted:
“I think Mazo’s about ready to blow a gasket – or go Jihadi on us.”
Oh, I’d wager he’s been going jihadi for quite some time – the jihad of the pen. But yeah, I pity the animal(s), stuffed or not, that were in his general vicinity when he puffed his little cheeks, stomped his little foot and had his little outburst. That repressed homosexuality can’t be good for him…
Mazo says
You have a record of starting almost every single interaction with me and semeru, I have never initiated anything with you.
You have already stated under your Jihadski handle that my presence here enrages you. I’m going to say what I want whenever I want and won’t stop.
You also have the obsessive hard on with Vogon, all interaction between you and him consists of you obsessively latching onto his comments and then fellating them like a Filipina. His presence here enrages you too.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“You have a record of starting almost every single interaction with me and semeru, I have never initiated anything with you.”
Even if that were the case, so what?
“You also have the obsessive hard on with Vogon, all interaction between you and him consists of you obsessively latching onto his comments”
Vogon? Oh, you mean voegelinian, who, months ago, went through a phase (and currently seems to be going through a slight relapse) where he would conjure and mention PJ and/or myself, even on topics when we hadn’t post yet, to lie about either or both. But, according to you, when I or PJ replied to those comments, we were the ones starting the interaction and therefore we were in the wrong.
And yet, you expect to be taken seriously. Tsk tsk…
Mazo says
Kepha has openly provided the name of his email, blog and proof about his identity multiple times and proved that he can fluently communicate in Chinese.
Semeru proved that he can read Swedish, Thai and Indonesian and has owned all of you multiple times when he caught you people lying about Indonesia and Islam in Southeast Asia. He has busted you people lying on many other topics.
Jihadski has not provided jack proof of any claims, and instead makes embarassing mistakes about where he claims he went or is openly lying. He claimed no Muslims live in Hangzhou, that Chaldeans are ethnic Kurds, and does not know jack about Indonesia like you yet he and you latch on like desperate streetwalkers onto Semeru’s posts and tries to tell him off about the country which Semeru lives in and knows very well.
It’s amazing how a gigolo who doesn’t live in Indonesia, tries to lecture Semeru who actually lives in Indonesia, and then has the gall for try to tell other people off for talking about countries they haven’t been to.
The gigolo has accused me and Semeru of being the same person repeatedly.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Kepha has openly provided the name of his email, blog and proof about his identity multiple times and proved that he can fluently communicate in Chinese.”
I do recall seeing Kepha posting in Chinese sometimes, mostly to knock you down to size.
“Semeru proved that he can read Swedish, Thai and Indonesian”
Even is that is the case, so what? Again, how does that prove he’s been in any of the countries he claims to be, which is the crux of the matter?
“Jihadski has not provided jack proof of any claims”
Except to the regulars whom he communicates with outside JW, who have vouched for him repeatedly.
“yet he and you latch on like desperate streetwalkers onto Semeru’s posts ”
Consummate liars will be consummate liars, and the islamic pact of mutual protection between you and semeru doesn’t cover demonstrably false statements like that one. Semeru started most of the interactions between us – if anyone’s latching on anyone’s posts it’s him on mine. In fact, the lying rat is incapable of differentiating between statements I make and statements I copy from the OP and comment on, and asked me to provide evidence for something written by the OP, his reasoning being that if I couldn’t provide evidence for a statement I didn’t make then the OP was wrong. What followed was an exercise in semeru’s islamic inability to admit he was wrong, and should be required reading for newcomers who make the mistake of giving him the benefit of the doubt.
That’s the person you’re trying to praise: a poster who, among regulars, is well-known as a pro-islamic troll, then that’s all anyone needs to know about you.
Of course, entertaining how cut you down to size is, I bet most people reading the exchange so far are not dumb enough to fall for your little trick: the time you spent slandering and insulting other posters, obsessing over homosexuality (again, must be hard for you, considering the penalty under islamic law) and sucking up semeru’s tiny tool, is time not spent discussing the matter at hand (in this case, the Saudi intolerance derived from islamic orthodoxy).
Mazo says
Its hilarious how you claim that I’m being “knocked down to size” when you can’t read jack of what he is writing.
Kepha has picked up several corrections from me, including the usage of the ethnonym Uyghur which thanks to me, he now knows is a Soviet imposed name given in 1921 at a conference in Tashkent.
Kepha also acknowleged there are Muslims in Hangzhou when I pointed out Jihadski’s lie about there being no Muslims and that Pattani was invaded and annexed by Thailand in 1909. Because he has actually been to those countries. He also knows about the heroin trade in China and Thailand, which people who’ve been there and interacted with the local people would know unlike Jihadski.
Semeru has an impariment similar to dyslexia with regards to his reading and writing but he constantly crushes your pathetic lies and slander and he exposed the numerous hoaxes and fake photos made up by your ilk, like the pipeline explosion photos from Africa and pictures of dead Madurese Muslims labelled as “Chrisians” Semeru is against Islamists but he isn’t lenient on lecherous liars.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Its hilarious how you claim that I’m being “knocked down to size” when you can’t read jack of what he is writing.”
Kepha writes mostly in English. Seeing how I’m writing in English as well, one would expect I would be able to read what he writes…
“Kepha has picked up several corrections from me”
And he knocked you down to size on several occasions. One thing doesn’t negate the other.
“Semeru has an impariment similar to dyslexia with regards to his reading and writing”
Nice try, bub, but dyslexia doesn’t cover both lack of comprehension skills and inability to admit he’s wrong, which was what I specifically mentioned when I said he couldn’t tell the difference between what’s written in the OP and what I comment on it, even though I use different formating styles specifically to differentiate between what I say and what others say, much like when I italicize and use quotation marks when quoting you.
“but he constantly crushes your pathetic lies and slander”
Is he paying you for the PR?
“and he exposed the numerous hoaxes and fake photos made up by your ilk”
So he exposes things that don’t exist? What he does here is saying something along the lines of “this photo is a stock photo taken from somewhere else, therefore anything written in the article is wrong”.
Mazo says
Its great that Jihadski feels enraged at Saudis. He found out it wasn’t like the gigantic bordello-bar known as the Philippines and wasn’t filled with people like Caitlyn Jenner unlike the Philippines, he could’t behave in Saudi the same as he does in his wife’s homeland.
And he claimed Hui Muslims were nasty to him while in China. This is a nasty lie by a nasty liar. Kepha has actually met Hui in China and has not spewed out such slander. Jihadski claimed Muslims behave liek this everywhere to him, such a believable tale
I guess being nasty, means not bending down and wanking him off like Filipinos do to him.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“And he claimed Hui Muslims were nasty to him while in China. This is a nasty lie by a nasty liar. Kepha has actually met Hui in China and has not spewed out such slander.”
Oh, boy, where even to begin? How many Hui are there? 10, 11 millions? But, according to you, it’s impossible that PJ met nasty Huis – apparently you know and vouch for all of them. It’s slander to say that Hui were nasty to someone? Lol! And, of course, if PJ has nothing but good things to say regarding the Hui you wouldn’t be here claiming he’s a liar or that he never went to China.
Clearly, you’re a reliable individual whose opinions and assertions are deserving of our utmost confidence and esteem…sarc./ off
So, are you going to say anything regarding the Saudi censorship of NG or are you just going to keep railing against PJ?
Mazo says
Analmon, show me a single post where Kepha refutes a FACT that I say. As in a fact, not an opinion, since Kepha has strong views on evangelisim, homosexuality and politics. Oh wait, you can’t find it. Becaus they don’t exist. All of his disagreements with me are on political issues and evangelism.
Its your balls which get cut down to size by Semeru everytime you lie.
And its great that you think pictures of beheaded Madurese and burned African victims of exploding pipelines are stock photos… Oh wait.
It isn’t just stock photos. All of you people lied about Indonesia repeatedly.
Angemon says
mazo posted:
“Analmon, show me a single post where Kepha refutes a FACT that I say. As in a fact, not an opinion”
Let me guess: anything I show will be spin into “opinion, not fact”.
“since Kepha has strong views on evangelisim, homosexuality and politics.”
Like I said, trying to spin anything into “opinion, not fact”.
“Its your balls which get cut down to size by Semeru everytime you lie.”
Nope. Semeru has a long history of being blasted for several users for lying and trying to obfuscate. Much like what you did here, when you tried to argue that semeru’s inability to distinguish between what is written by me and the OP stems from alleged dyslexia. My balls are as big as they’ve always been, now stop obsessing over them.
“And its great that you think pictures of beheaded Madurese and burned African victims of exploding pipelines are stock photos…”
Liar. Show me a single post where I say such a thing. Oh, wait, you can’t, because it doesn’t exist.
“It isn’t just stock photos.”
Thank you for acknowledging my point regarding semeru’s MO.
“All of you people lied about Indonesia repeatedly.”
I’ll believe it when you show, for EVERY SINGLE JW USER, a post where he/she is lying about Indonesia, complete with an explanation of how and why they’re lying. There’s been a lot of JW users in the site’s 10+ years, so get to it.
Also, do you have anything to say regarding the Saudi’s islamic-based paranoia and censorship? No? Not a thing? Thought so – can’t speak up against your master coreligionists, can you, slave?
Mazo says
It’s pretty easy even for someone with a shriveled brain like you to distinguish between opinion and fact.
Kepha’s opinions are a that he hates homosexuals, Marxists, feminists, and is pro Evangelical.
A fact, is information that is indisputedly real and true, such as the fact that Hui people live in Hangzhou, no Hui and Thai Muslim in Thailand has commited a terrorist attack, Thailand annexed Pattani in 1909, and not someone’s opinions, such as Evangelism should be allowed, Marxism should be wiped out, feminists are ugly and unnattractive etc.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“It’s pretty easy even for someone with a shriveled brain like you to distinguish between opinion and fact.”
Huh, you’re the one trying to spin anything into “opinion”, not me.
“Kepha’s opinions are a that he hates homosexuals, Marxists, feminists, and is pro Evangelical.”
Huh, no. He either hates any/some/all/ of those or he doesn’t. If he hates, for example, homosexuals, that’s a fact. If he doesn’t, then you’re lying.
Example:
“- Kepha hates homosexuals.”
“- Is that so?”
“- Yup, it’s a fact.”
“A fact, is information that is indisputedly real and true”
Which implies that what you said about Kepha is not indisputably real and true.
Angemon says
Also, for the record – and because the maz-hole is very likely to claim I said that Kepha hates any of the above – I working under his assertions (although he gave no evidence for them). I know that Kepha is a Christian so my guess is that he has love for mankind but hatred for sins.
Jay Boo says
muskrats in downtown Mecca
Saudi is where MO worshipped satanic verse hotties.
Mo did not only deny Allah he worshiped other gods.
As every Muslim knows, Muslims call people who deny Allah and worship other gods, muskrats. Therefore Mo was one of the shirking muskrats.
That is a fact, just ask Mazo.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Vivienne and cravenmirage,
Stop talking about Saudi and Iran. You people haven’t been there. Therefore you people can’t say a word about the country.”
You better be Phileas Fogg, just in case we start to ask you retroactive evidence that you traveled to ALL countries you’ve commented on…
“One of your friends is apparently trying to channel this message indirectly”
Are you a psychic or something?
“since he sees you guys spew so much crap but hasn’t said anything. I’m relaying the message for him.”
Yes, but have you traveled to his country and met him? If not, you can’t say a word about him…
gravenimage says
Mazo wrote:
Vivienne and cravenmirage (sic),
Stop talking about Saudi and Iran. You people haven’t been there. Therefore you people can’t say a word about the country…
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Really, this is hilarious. By these lights, Mazo must have been to China, Tibet, Taiwan, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Iran, Iraq (including Kurdistan), ,Pakistan, India, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia (there are probably many other places, as well, but I can’t recall them all).
After all, he couldn’t say a word about these countries if he hadn’t been there…sarc/off
jayell says
The Pope offends the Saudis. The Saudis offend just about everyone else.
Gerald says
“Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, or Islamic law, which imposes the “death penalty” in cases of “murder, rape, drug trafficking and sorcery.””
The death penalty doesn’t apply for the murder and rape of the unbelievers by muslims for his life is more lofty than that of a kuffar.
Jay Boo says
a little typo
Muslims are obviously more ‘lowly’ than the magnificent kuffar
As tempting as it may be to placate and humor Muslims in their warped view of reality, we do them a great disservice if we skim over their koo-koo logic
b.C.terry says
The N.G. should give equal time to muslims and post a picture of their “profit”.
Dr. Divinity says
The best thing the Saudi’s could do for their country.
…..Is not ban Natgeo but to ban the Koran…..