“I hold it as a principle that the duration of peace is in direct proportion to the slaughter you inflict on the enemy.” –Gen. Mikhail Skobelev, 1881
General Mikhail Skobelev’s words above were in reference to his defeat of the walled citadel of Geok-Tepe and his army’s complete depredation of the Tekke Turkmen, “a fierce, slave-taking people…” of Central Asia. “The Emperor’s orders were explicit,” writes Karl Meyer and Shareen Brysac in their book Tournament of Shadows: “Under no circumstances was Skobelev to take a single step backwards, ‘for this would be for Europe and Asia a sign of our weakness, would inspire still greater boldness on the part of our adversaries’.”
The Russians have always been known to upstage the West in regards to dealing with enemies. There is the story of two KGB agents kidnapped by a gang of quite imprudent Islamic Liberation Organization (ILO) operatives in Beirut. The story goes that the ILO kidnappers, after hiding the hostages away, then sent a message to the Russian embassy in Beirut demanding the release of certain ILO members (if I remember correctly) at that time incarcerated by the Lebanese government of the day. Unbeknownst to the impulsive terrorists was the fact that the KGB was aware not only of where the two Russian citizens were being held captive, but also of the identities of the kidnappers. As a response to their demands the Russians sent to the safe house a box with the head of the leader of that particular ILO unit inside and the warning that if the two KGB agents were not released in a matter of hours, the next box they received would contain the heads of the kidnapper’s mothers. Needless to say, the KGB agents were released posthaste and the ILO never again harmed or threatened Soviet citizens anywhere. There are also recent accounts about the Russian Navy mercilessly dispatching Somali pirates on the high seas. As a result, Somali pirates steer clear of all vessels flying the Russian flag. The lesson is obvious: deal harshly with your enemies and they will avoid you like the plague. “An angry countenance turns away a back-biting tongue.”
My point here is about dispassionate Russian wisdom being so broadly and ultimately contrary to Western liberalism and the insane and constrictive notion that we have no choice but to lay down our weapons, suspend punitive sanctions, and propose peace initiatives to enemies whose religiously cultivated arrogance has continually induced their leaders to mock Western peace initiatives, no matter how compromising. The contradistinction between the two extremes—the wisdom of the former and the foolishness of the latter—seems to go unnoticed these days. President Obama plays nice with the Republic of Iran; Justin Trudeau, leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and vying to become the next Prime Minister of Canada promises that, if elected, he will call off Canada’s participation in air strikes against ISIS targets and restore diplomatic relations with Iran. Tom Mulcair, leader of the NDP Party of Canada, promises near the same.
There seems to be an extremely imprudent, oscillating duality infecting Western political leaders these days (with the notable exception of Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper). I see traditional political parties—Liberal, NDP, and Conservative in Canada, Republican and Democrats in the United States—exhibiting harmful traits eerily similar to those that brought down the mighty Spartans long ago; a duality, as pointed out in Paul Cartledge’s historical work The Spartans, that “led inevitably to divided counsels—dynastic rivalries, succession anxieties, faction fighting.” Three paragraphs later Cartledge writes, “The adage of Lord Acton—absolute power corrupts absolutely—applied vigorously in this case.” And isn’t this so in the case of Western democracies? We have the leaders of European democracies condoning the influx of tens of thousands of Syrian refugees, many of whom leave a trail of trash and excrement (and damaged iPads) in their wake; many of whom have probably little or no interest in assimilating the traditions of their host countries; some of whom may likely turn out to be ISIS operatives. The so-called “opposition parties” applaud this gross imprudence from the other side of their respective parliament floors like a hired audience for a game show.
Compare these flabbergasted political sycophants with Putin and his answer to a question posed him by a Le Monde reporter about the war in Chechnya, “If you are a Christian, you are in danger. Even if you are an atheist, you are in danger, and if you decide to convert to Islam, this will not save you, either, because traditional Islam is inimical to the conditions and objectives set by the terrorists. If you are prepared to become a most radical Islamist and are prepared to circumcise yourself, I invite you to come to Moscow. I will recommend having the operation done in such a way that nothing will grow for you there anymore.” When another reporter suggested that Putin negotiate with Chechen terrorist leaders following the Beslan massacre, he replied, “”Why don’t you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it to him so he leaves you in peace? You find it possible to set some limitations in your dealings with these bastards, so why should we talk to people who are child-killers? No one has a moral right to tell us to talk to childkillers.”
I am in no way espousing Russia’s expansionist behaviour of late. I am suggesting that the West begin dealing with our terrorist enemies in similar fashion as the Russians have been dealing with theirs. Justin Trudeau’s suggestion that the “refugee problem” would be mitigated by calling off airstrikes against ISIS is a prime example of a tendentious Leftist politician choosing the exact opposite course of action as that which mere reason would implore, regardless the injurious ingredients those choices (like allowing Syrian refugees into Canada without security restrictions) would obtrude upon what would become by then a victimized, albeit self-deceived, Canadian populace.
The “refugee problem” facing Western democracies in Europe and North America is a catastrophe that should be dealt with by Middle Eastern Islamic countries instead of Western democracies. That these Muslim refugees are seeking safe haven in an infidel-ruled Western Europe instead of the oil-rich countries of their fellow religious says everything about the finer points of Islam and those nation-states where it has long ago gained preponderance. Where is the love? The one sure way—the stratagem invoked by mere reason—to obviate this refugee crisis emanating out of Syria and beyond is the total elimination, from the air and on the ground, of ISIS and their supporters. The fact that ISIS has, by violently brutal conquest, been continually gaining new territory should be profiled by so-called “experts” not as a failure of Western military forces in halting their advance but rather a failure on the part of Middle Eastern Islamic states and their armed forces to deal with a danger that has, from the very beginning of this human tragedy, been far more approximate to their existence, both politically and religiously, than it has ever been to Western democracies.
So why are we fighting their war? And if we are forced to fight their war simply because they refuse to fight it themselves, let us be efficient and militarily laconic in disposing of this enemy. Let us acquire a “duration of peace,” its anticipated longevity measured only by the level of destruction we inflict upon this enemy of all humanity. And afterward, after we dispose of ISIS, let us hold these Islamic nations to account for turning their backs on their fellow Muslims, on a humanitarian crisis that was always theirs, not ours; that was spawned out of the bowels of the religion of Islam and the imperialism it advocates and from nowhere else. Let us point this out to them, just as they are so ever wont to point out our sins. Let us apply Skobelev’s principle to our enemies in the same way they apply Islamic jihad to us.

Jovial Joe says
Devolin’s best piece and absolutely the right method to adopt.
Katnis says
Wow. I agree. I almost passed on this article. (The title and photo didn’t grab my attention) Incredible read. This provides a lot to think about.
If you happen to read this article, please comment, as a higher number of comments will draw more readers.
kikorikid says
Obama can’t seem to back down quick enough when confronted by Islam.
Obama is Sharia Compliant.
Scott says
What Ronert aptly points out is that Great civilizations come and go.
When we study the history of the Roman Empire and the British Empire, we often look back in astonishment.
The policies of Barak Obama and his co-political thinkers around the world is the first major cracks I how our Western Civilization might very well fall.
Like other great past civilizations, we are failing from within.
It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion over and over again.
Trudeau, Corbyn, Hillary and Bernie would continue this self immolation that BHO has begun. Even the supposedly conservative
Scott says
To finish…..
Even th e supposedly conservative Cameron and now Turnbull of Australia have started to show signs of the slippery slope of political foolishness chasing the “new order” of European suicide while standing by and watching Western Civilzation start to lose its grip on world history.
Climate Change is merely a political tool of the left to continue this march to self immolation.
All are onboard, the train has left the station. We can only hope there will be another set of brave Americans to save this train from Jihad having its way with the west……
Before we are all destined to helplessly watch the train wreck in slow motion…..over and over again.
Jay Boo says
Russia certainly has the right idea but it is not just about guns and bullets.
Count to ten and let the mock fest begin.
No more half-stepping.
Hijab Hell is as “hellarious” as it is shameful.
Muslim women take great pride flaunting their HIJAB of “modesty”
But just like Islam’s greatest buffoon Muhammad, the hijab of Islam is its greatest joke. (excluding MO)
From men wearing Muhammad’s toilet brush styled beard and man-dresses to the pig bath ritual before Friday carpet kissing prayers it is all a joke.
Unleash a total blitzkrieg of leaflets posters and film mocking their prophet
until Muslims act like decent human beings. Saturate the airwaves with a 24 hour around the clock Muhammad Mock-fest to reveal all of Islam’s dirty secrets
to public ridicule.
A WORLDWIDE MOCK MUHAMMAD EXTRAGANZA
VANITY is Islam’s greatest weakness
Begin with Islam’s concept of Allah, then on to the Quran and if they don’t compromise then, let loose on Muhammad’s eccentricities until Ha Ha Ha! Ho Ho Ho! is heard in every nation at the mere mention of Muhammad’s name.
No more PBUH and SAW after MO’s name. (SS) for Satan’s slave
Suicide attackers are not afraid of death; It is an escape from Islam’s bitter emptiness.
Threaten to mock the hell out of Muhammad non-stop and they will relent and hide.
Let Muslims everywhere bow their heads in well deserved SHAME.
Raja says
Jay,
Your comment is more of a policy and ideal one for long term. In the interim what to do? Terrorists understand just one language that is FORCE. Russians, Chinese, Indians, Burmese mix up force from time to time and its does wonders with Jihadists. US did the same in Guantanamo bay for faceless, border less enemy but again the stupid leftists and its ilks cried foul.
Doesn’t the state have powers to anything with criminals more so with barbarians with barbaric code?
Here is an excerpt about thugs and Islamist:
Thugs were not common criminals. They were devoutly religious people who considered murder a divinely punishable offence. They picked their victims only when they received “favorable omens” from their deity. Here is a passage from the transcript of their trial.
Sleeman: And do you never feel sympathy for the persons’ murdered – never pity or compassion?”
Sahib Khan: (with great emphasis) “Never.”
When Sleeman asked Faringea who had strangled a beautiful young woman, if he had not felt pity for her, he replied, “we all feel pity sometimes, but the sweetness of gur (a raw sugar the Thugs ate after killing their victims) of the sacrifice changes our nature.
Sleeman: When you have a poor traveller with you, or a party of travellers who appear to have little property and you hear or see a very good omen, do you not let them go in the hope that the virtue of the omen will guide you to better prey?
Dorgha: Let them go? Never, never! (with great emphasis)
Nasir: How could we let them go? Is not the omen the order from heaven to kill them, and would it not be disobedient to let them go? If we did not kill them how should we ever get any more travellers?
Morlee: Certainly not! The travellers who are in our hands when we hear a good omen must never let go, whether they promise little or much; the omen is unquestionably the order (from God) as Nasir says.
Sleeman: But you think that no man is killed by man’s killing? That all who are strangled are strangled in effect by God?
Nasir: Certainly.
The similarity between the Thugs mindset and the Muslim is undeniable. Not only Muslims feel no remorse destroying the lives of the unbelievers, to them this is jihad, the highest form of pleasing Allah. The more pain they inflict the more reward they expect to receive.
In conclusion I would only say one thing. Hardened criminals needs special treatment and Russia and likes are justified in what they do. It seems to be the only working deterrence.
Jay Boo says
Divide and conquer this ideology that has no more substance than the slender man myth. Islam unites Muslims with a common identity. That identity makes them a greater threat but is also Islam’s greatest vulnerability.
There are many apostates who hate Islam with a passion and they know Islam’s filthy dirty secrets first hand. The one’s who wish the highest form of pleasing Allah should be made to feel subdued and demoralized by all methods necessary including military.
Raja says
Jay Boo,
Again I say your Ideas are good and they can also be termed as revolutionary but all are waiting to bell the cat.
Your earlier comment:
Unleash a total blitzkrieg of leaflets posters and film mocking their prophet
until Muslims act like decent human beings. Saturate the airwaves with a 24 hour around the clock Muhammad Mock-fest to reveal all of Islam’s dirty secrets
to public ridicule.
A WORLDWIDE MOCK MUHAMMAD EXTRAGANZA
is realistic but in the PCMC culture who will buy your ideas?
By the way,blitzkrieg was Satan’s method (in the bible) used by Hitler during WWII and it is being adopted in Islamic states on Christians and is in nascent stage in the West. . May be as you say some “apostate” somewhere will rise against the Ugly Islam. You need to teach them militarily too ONLY then will they listen and be forced to LOVE the infidel and peace. This is also human psychology. In the West Jihadists are already enslaving the public. Look at Denmark, streets in London etc.
Islam, without doubt is the most hated “religion”. God can bring about its downfall. Who could have imagined the great Babylonian empire to fall? The most cruel Roman civilian empire was dismantled by “rock not made by human hand” as the bible puts it.
The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16
Jay Boo says
Raja
Thanks for the reply
I admit that strategies have limitations when a tactical approach is imperative. All the same, it can be useful to disrupt Islam’s game plan.
At the other extreme, I sometimes notice that some commenters easily get locked into an us verses them mindset to such an extent that they forget that Islam is vulnerable even as it feeds on human weakness.
Tactical viewpoint — (Muslim people) are the enemy. This approach has some advantages at times.
Strategic — (Islam is the glue) that holds them together.
The glue is very porous and the only reason it does not fall completely apart is because it is not sufficiently under pressure.
Not to pick on voeg in particular, but unlike what (voeg) seems to suggest –that Islam, and especially Muslims are one impenetrable contiguous mass made up of exotic human beings that are beyond our human ability to understand without years of study.
All we need do is look at the fruit Islam bears to understand the rotted center.
voegelinian says
If you want a straw man of my position (or of nearly any facet of my position), then Jay Boo, or Angemon, or PJ (“Incek”) is your man.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“If you want a straw man of my position (or of nearly any facet of my position), then Jay Boo, or Angemon, or PJ (“Incek”) is your man.”
Except that most of our posts directed at you contains questions (not to mention quotes) about you and/or your stance, which you, much more often than not, choose to ignore. And when you don’t ignore, you reply with accusations of “sophistry” , “red herring”, “cherry picking”, “rabbit trails”, etc., without ever explaining why anything any of us said was sophistry, red herring, cherry picked, etc.
Also, “it’s your man”? Really? I’ve told you before: if you’re going to accuse anyone of being anyone else you can take the case to a JW administrator. And if implying there’s one single human being using three accounts to “strawman” your position is your defense (rather than explaining why whatever it is they’re saying is wrong), then you really ought to go home and do some thinking…
Incek Mahallesi says
Donkey:
“If you want a straw man of my position (or of nearly any facet of my position), then Jay Boo, or Angemon, or PJ (“Incek”) is your man.”
And if you want a whiny little pric*, go to Dr. Voegy!
sinantara says
Another story, half remembered but I am sure Robert will have the particulars in no time. When the British Indian gov declared they would hang people involved in sutee. Complained the Brahmin, “But it is our culture!” Answered the British judge: “Allright, go ahead. It is just that in MY culture a murderer is a murderer and will be hanged.”
Cultural imperialism?
Raja says
sinantara,
Culture is a relative term. It is simply put: THE WAY WE DO THINGS AROUND HERE. But a MURDER cannot be relatively defined in different cultures or any culture. Anything an “imperialist” does to administer to the locals may be questioned as cultural imperialism or any other leftist slogan but I personally don’t see it that way. Man uses different terminology to have a free run for his culture and those resisting inhumane ways must slug it out.
somehistory says
On an episode of Bonanzs, a thug and his thug gang were committing crimes and getting away with them because they committed crimes that made people afraid to testify and so the court allowed them to be free.
Little Joe was tired of them getting away with what they were doing, and he managed to get the leader in the barber’s chair and shaved his head. This so humiliated the thug that he quit his terrorizing. Of course, it was all made up stuff,
The principle is right though. Some people just can’t stand to be ridiculed for their belief, their looks, whatever. It’s vanity. If the muslims had confidence in their *religion*, they would not get so angry when someone disagrees with them. But, they are all empty shells when it comes to virtue and substance. Pride instilled in them from day one, fortified with anger, is all they have.
Take away the reason for the pride, the anger will flare, but they would eventually implode.
Raja says
Somehistory,
Words of wisdom from you especially the line: If the Muslims had confidence in their *religion*, they would not get so angry when someone disagrees with them. But, they are all empty shells when it comes to virtue and substance. Pride instilled in them from day one, fortified with anger, is all they have.
Good works Somehistory !!!!
somehistory says
Thank you, very much, Raja.!
somehistory says
And thank you for the reminder from James.
umbra says
Force is the last resort. However, quite often today, especially in the middle east (and that which spawns from the middle east), one begins with the last resort.
In so far as islamic countries fighting their own wars, they do so only when their backs are against the wall or when they perceived themselves to be in far superior positions to their enemies. When facing a resilient or superior foe, they rely on others to fight their wars.
Westman says
Devolin is right that only draconian Skoelevs-like measures will stop Daesh. It won’t stop the desire of young men to leave the ME societies whose economies are shackled by the parastism of Islam.
“…That these Muslim refugees are seeking safe haven in an infidel-ruled Western Europe instead of the oil-rich countries of their fellow religious says everything about the finer points of Islam..” Saudi Arabia claims to have taken in Syrians – by counting its foreign workers.
As King Faisal was purported to say, “No Arab loves the Desert”. The flight, specifically to Germany, illustrates the hijrat-economic nature of the migration. Pass through the poorer states to the milk cow and anchor Islam and the future offspring firmly to the udder. The “best of people” only deserve the best and there will be angry demonstrations if it isn’t forthcoming.
The war in Syria opened the door out of Syria and Germany opened the door into the EU. If I were a young Syrian man, knowing via the internet and other sources that I could have less control and more wealth in the EU, why stay and fight for a future resembling the past?
The EU, a complete oxymoron, is in disarray even to the point of Brussels suggesting to members that if they won’t ruin their country with the predominantly economic migrants they won’t get funds from the EU. The reality of the unwise invitation to refugees, resulting in a wave of mostly migrants, is beginning to sink in. In fact it has become so pressing that the EU will have a meeting of member states – next week!
Angemon says
Indeed.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
An angry countenance turns away a back-biting tongue.
Does this mean we can’t turn to Ellen DeGeneres to help save us from Moslem takeover?
Mazo says
Making up stuff on the fly?
The original rumor about the kidnappers in Lebanon was than an unidentified group of Islamists kidnapped some Soviet citizens, demandng that the Soviets pressure their Syrian allies to stop shelling a certain area of Lebanon. The KGB allegedly responded by kidnapping some relatives of the kidnappers, and sending their testicles to the group in response. Not a head.
The PLO had nothing to do with it. The PLO were allies of the Soviet Union and the idea that they would kidnap Soviet citizens is completely asinine.
Russia does not wage totaly war against its enemies and deals realistically contrary to almost every westerner’s inflated perception of Russia’s “non-PC”.
The Russian Empire recognized it had to let the Caucasian Muslim leader Imam Shamil go and could not expel the most fanatic Muslims from the Caucasus which is why it left the more devout Chechens and Dagestanis in place after driving out much of the religiously lax Circassian population.
The Russian Empire left the Muslim Emir of Bukhara in charge of the Emirate of Bukhara within the Russian Empire instead of abolishing it and also incorporated Muslims into its army. Bashkir Muslims served in the armies of the Russian Tsar and there were many pan-Islamic intellectual movements under the Jadidist Tatars during the late Russian Empire.
Putin contrary to what everyone seems to think, did not singlehandedly level all of Chechenya and massacre the entire Chechen population.
Instead Putin awarded the defector Kadyrov from the Chechen separatists with te position of President of Chechnya and is pouring money in to propagate Sufi Naqshbandi Islamic teaching among Muslims to counter Salafsm. Kadyrov is now blatantly advocating for Sharia law and flouting Russian federal law. Kadyrov himself has taken several wives and advocates for polygamy and Hijab in violation of Russian federal law. Russian federal dollars are going directly to Islamic teachers and schools to teach children Naqshbandi Sufism and Shafi’i Madhhab Islam and more Mosques are being built. Kadyrov announced a reward to parents who named their children Muhammad.
Chechnya receives a stipend of several billion rubles from Russia every year.
If what the fantasists thought was real, there would be no Muslims in Russia. Contrary to what was implied about complete “depredation”, the Tekke Turkmen are still very much alive in the country of Turkmenistan today.
Frans Groenendijk says
Interesting points.
Can you back them up with some sources. I am especially interested in “pouring money in to propagate Sufi Naqshbandi Islamic teaching among Muslims to counter Salafism”.
Sounds like Cameron who follows the lead of Maajid Nawaz.
Mazo says
Go look up articles in outlets in npr, the guardian, and rferl about Russian state sponsored Sufism in Chechnya.
There is a book on this policy in Russia and some other former Soviet states, Sufism: How Governments Promote “Mystical Islam” in Their Domestic and Foreign Policies
Frans Groenendijk says
Thank you.
Found the book: http://www.amazon.com/Sponsoring-Sufism-Governments-Mystical-Domestic-ebook/dp/B013C5FT4G
Unfortunately even the Kindle edition costs over $100 !
Hope its preview leads me to other sources, useful search-terms etc.
This subject is of huge importance.
So many in history attempts have been and failed made to influence Mohammedanism by supporting specific sects and groups within. People like Cameron want to use that same recipe, expecting a different outcome.
Khomeiny started as sufi too.
Angemon says
Mazo posted:
“Putin contrary to what everyone seems to think, did not singlehandedly level all of Chechenya and massacre the entire Chechen population.”
Huh, can you point to even one person here saying that?
Also, have you ever been to Russia, “Palestine”, Chechnya, etc. – according to you, no one is allowed to speak of a country they never set a foot on, you hypocrite.
Phil says
Hey Mazo,
Lovely to hear you’re still spouting the sh*te! I would have thought after the Bangkok massacre was laid at the feet of your mythically peaceful Uyghurs you’d at least have sufficient honesty to stay quiet for a few months.
I guess taqiyyah is rather addictive and you just couldn’t resist, eh?
BTW your history of the Caucasus is a s full of holes as your myopic redaction of the history of Turkestan.
Mazo says
Taqiyyah is practiced by Shia and is dissimulation.
Stop lying and spreading misinformation.
I never said Uyghurs were peaceful.
You are being very deceitful.
Now shut up Phil.
Go take a pill and chill.
pdxnag says
Accepting the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) as a legitimate partner in dialog must instead be resolved in like manner to the PLO kidnapping case noted in the article. It is holding Enlightenment principles hostage (thereby holding all free people hostage) and its head(s) must land a platter first. Expel Islam from any place of power in the oil rich countries that use it to spread the poison of Islam worldwide. Peace.
Plamen says
Actually, after first kgb-officer execution, they have sent not a head decapitated, but some organs castrated of one of perpetrators’ nephew and list of their mothers and other relatives with a promise to ‘deal’ with them, too.
http://articles.philly.com/1986-01-15/news/26052630_1_hostage-crisis-soviet-captives-islamic-liberation-organization
Dave L says
Magnificent piece, Mr. Devolin. Thanks for writing it.
Might I add that we should also free ourselves of U.N.-generated language such as “disproportionate response.” This phrase has been used largely as a way of tying the hands of Israel and now other Western democracies and preventing them from responding to unthinkable atrocities in a way that would stop the repetition of such atrocities.
When Hamas kidnaps and murders three of your teen-agers, what is the proportionate response? Should you kidnap Palestinians and cut their throats? No, you go after Hamas with all the force and superior technology that you have, and you destroy it. But the U.N. and the leftists won’t let that happen.
Raja says
Dave,
Magnificent piece from Mr Devolin and the addition from you. Great…
Edward says
“But the U.N. and the leftists won’t let that happen.”
It the right time now then to start learning how to remotely altering their predictable contradictive nature mindsets. Scientific research is proving that this possible…..and it has been proven that it works best when applied for righteous purposes and not for evil utilization!
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Justin Trudeau’s suggestion that the “refugee problem” would be mitigated by calling off airstrikes against ISIS is a prime example of a tendentious Leftist politician…
More proof, as if any were still needed, that there is a natural alliance between globo-socialists and Moslems.
If there is economic dislocation, throw free money at it. Never works, but always feels good.
If there is Moslem anger, and there always is, throw free land at it. Ask Israel how it worked out giving back the Sinai for no apparent reason, and then the Gaza, and they were even thinking about ceding the Golan. Ask the Philippines how it worked out after giving away Bangsamoro.
Harry_the_Horrible says
I would say that WWI disproved this theorem. All those millions dead and the “peace” only lasted slightly more than 20 years.
Raja says
Harry_the-horrible,
You are missing the point about WW I and this article.
Since millions got killed in WW I it didn’t deter WW II that is your contention.
Well, this article deals with the methods to deal with a section/unique kind of criminals. How could the dead of WW I stall the WW II ?
Again this article is not about killing hence your reference to the WW I is irrelevant.
WW II was thrust upon us because of the oppression and ignominy of the treaty the victors imposed on the vanquished. The author is definitely not talking about oppression (and it is counter productive) but the methods that shuns the enemy to venture any further or puts them off. e.g: If I remember correctly, Israel has been advocating killing of airplane hijackers whatever the outcome and it has proven to be a good deterrence for generations for all world !!!
To sup up: Every nation uses punishment to make the people behave properly. But to deal with some barbaric and hardened criminals your methods need not be uniform(for all criminals/across board). It is lot wiser to cherry pick / fine tune the methods in direct proportion to the criminals’ antecedent.
WCM says
If we had adopted LTC (Ret.) Ralph Peters “Rules for a Superpower” we would hot be having this discussion. Read (Google) When Devils Walk the Earth: The Mentality and Roots of Terrorism, and How to Respond.. Especially Part III; Fighting Terror: Do’s and Don’ts for a Superpower.
Edward says
[Raja says September 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm]
“The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. James 5:16”
Especially if you preface it with what James 4:7 invokes!
“Submit yourselves+, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”
+First of all submit ourselves to the virtue of Courage that will help to manifest into our spiritual strength to outdo any evil anywhere, anytime!
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Sorry Raja, had to outboard my reply to your comment posted September 15, 2015 at 1:20 pm for a ‘Reply’ option was not made available for that date and time.
David, Thailand says
OMG, I hope Western leaders don’t read the second paragraph, they’d go catatonic!
Edward says
David, Thailand,
If you are referring to Michael Devolin’s 2nd paragraph about Skobelev’s Principle: In my youth I would agree to the Russian’s MO. This tactics would be beneficial for a period of years only. The contemporary band of Islamic warriors would be weakening causing them to lay their swords for an epoch of peace. As time passes the off springs of the previous warriors who are now being energized solely due to the fossil fuels boom in the ME; by which their wealth has started their craziness again to dominate the world with their flagship theocracy, ISIS!
If you are referring my second paragraph: “Submit yourselves+, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you”
If that might cause conundrum amongst the Western wannabe leaders they may want to look into this long lasting resolution. Instead of killing the enemies why not get rid of the “Instigator of all evils” that starts all inequities to begin with, Satan!
Long lasting peace would succeed!
By invoking James 5:16 “The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.”
Thus erasing the maligned mindsets of the enemy that will help in assisting the manifestation and assuring that state of PEACE!
“Instigator of all evils”: the promoter of all evil propensities.
bobm says
these moderate muslim nations have the same worm in their body ethos… the body carries the horn.. this shape-sifting beast will sacrifice their own willingly just to gain access to the courts of the kaffir…. or seduce the useful idiots till the time of devouring….. ……Only the Blood of the Lamb can destroy them worms of islam… Seek Him (Jesus)… .. they (islam) t into which they surely will fall.
bobm says
*.. they dig the pit into which they surely will fall.
* these worms of islam..
* these shape-shifting beasts….
Mark A says
An excellent article with a lot of very thought provoking commentary..
I’d like to see more articles by this writer on JW.
the renegade says
Only way to destroy Islam is to destroy the origin and the place where this evil started Mecca and Medina.
Muslims take great pride in telling us how they destroyed civilisations and religions from east to west. They destroyed civilisations of mesopotamia, Persia, Indus valley (partially) etc.
May be it is time for us to destroy their civilisation by destroying the unholy and evil Mecca and medina when Islam originated. Dig up that monster Muhammad from his grave and incenrate his body like you burn a devil to destroy the evil completely.
Muslims take pride in destroying churches, temples and other places of worship. Don’t think that muslims will mind us destroying mecca and medina. Draw them out in one place and completely smash this ideology for ever……
For the above to happen evil acts committed by Islam needs to reach pandemic proportions so that people will start acknowledging that Islam is a problem and will start taking action.
Edward says
“Only way to destroy Islam is to destroy the origin and the place where this evil started Mecca and Medina.”
Yes it will be the lasting resolution by going directly to the core of the cancer and gouge it out to stop its evil metastasizing!
This act would certainly would even free the followers of their book, the Koran which mandates unreasonable human behavior…….releasing them from irresponsible duress being caused by their religious handlers, which in turn is causing daily fears that they are experiencing no doubt!
This type of direct action manifested in a well manner to end WW ll!
I personally wouldn’t be thinking by this conscious manner if it’s adherent’s were welcoming and loving human beings now. Which they aren’t, for their daily mounting threats and evidence shows that without a doubt!
Will says
I hate to tell you this but this is known as Total War and was waged on the east front and in the Pacific. The difference here was that in both cases surrender was made acceptable without the killing of the enemy upon certain occasions.
The principle espoused above has been proven , time and time again to be the ONLY way that islam can be muzzled, although TBH I would prefer extermination than keeping them quite.
Anyone who had studied history and especially military history can verify this as it applied to any barbarian state that refused to behave. Spain and Britain became the two safest and most quiet provinces in Rome but only after terrible cost. Spain although conquered had three uprisings and the third time the revolting tribes were exterminated totally. Augustus who ordered this was challenged verbally about this decision and he replied that although he did it with heavy heart, he had to. Asked why he did not spare the women and especially the children who could have been taken as slaves, he replied: “because they grow up into adults who remember”.
THIS the problem with Islam. Defeat only makes them seethe until a new opportunity presents itself to take revenge and restore the caliphate and I assure yoy that they are totally serious about taking over the world.
Shmooviyet says
Agreed.
And how large a percentage of those young adult males now flooding into Europe have been seething since their childhood in the early 90s, when their lands were invaded by filthy Western soldiers? Seems they’ve awaited this all their lives; their time to ‘get even/serve god’. I suspect they feel blessed to have been born when they were– with bigger and better reasons for their raging bloodlust.
Imagine the warped psychologies of stewing in that hate for 20+ years, topped by an ideo-religion that preaches slaughter of those seen as responsible for one’s misery…
Snoop Doggie Doo says
This article is very interesting and makes an extremely important point. It is, however, not convincing with respect to one point. Mr. Devolin writes of an imprudent, oscilating duality, infecting Western leaders on the one hand, but on the other hand goes on to say that the so-called opposition parties applaud the gross imprudence of our leaders. If the so-called opposition is in agreement with the leaders, where then is the duality?
If he would have left out the references to the Spartans (to which I would actually not really like to be compared), though, his argument would still hold. What’s more, the point that there is no real political opposition in the relevant political arenas is extremely correct and important.
It follows that at this moment democracies don’t work correctly, because the people who disagree with the powers that be do not have a voice and thus aren’t heard. That’s the really worrisome thing to me. It would seem that this is due to the near total victory of neomarxism, which has steadfastly used a fallacious ‘ad hominem’ argument, by calling everyone who disagrees with its tenets fascists and racists (thus killing all political discussion), on the one hand and has bought (enough) votes by calling for the emancipation of everything on earth on the other (to grab power).
David says
Long article worth reading. One of the reasons I always respected the British in their history untill the last 50 years. The British might of hated me as a American 200 years ago, but at least they had some balls that i respect.
Bill Ford says
When a Russian wins a war it becomes depredation. When Muslims win a war it is called social justice. This Russian knew what Muslims were and what he had to do to protect his people and the sovereignty of the nation. Pity he is not directing the Russian Army today. Oh and for the record Russia did not start that war. Islamic Ottomans did in the name of jihad.
Troy says
Spot on article! I’ve been saying this for a year now. Can’t trust any muslims as their koran dictates them to use trickery and deceit to earn the trust of the non believers. They need to look after their own refugees as they are the real reason that ISIS is around. Should they tread on my soil they will have thought they met a Russian! No retreat/ no surrender to these Bas***ds!
voegelinian says
Devolin isn’t talking about “any Muslims” — he is limiting his robust no-nonsense strategy to “our terrorist enemies”; a delimitation common to the asymptotic analyst.
Incek Mahallesi says
Crap. Crap. Just crap. Ignore, en toto.
Devolin’s article is excellent and Voegelinian is a donkey.
voegelinian says
Michael Devolin’s Skobelev’s Principle may be temporarily effective against the Tiny Minority of Extremists du jour (today, ISIS); but in a variety of ways seems ill-suited for the broader, deeper, more complex problem of Muslims in general and their Islam.
Incek Mahallesi says
“DipSh*T:
…”but in a variety of ways seems ill-suited for the broader, deeper, more complex problem of Muslims in general and their Islam.”
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Ok, guru-boy…give us that “variety” of yours…that “deeper”, “more complex” bullsh*t that you spew.
You’re a fuck*ng phony.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Michael Devolin’s Skobelev’s Principle may be temporarily effective against the Tiny Minority of Extremists du jour (today, ISIS); but in a variety of ways seems ill-suited for the broader, deeper, more complex problem of Muslims in general and their Islam.”
“in a variety of ways seems ill-suited for the broader, deeper, more complex problem of Muslims in general and their Islam.”
As opposed to what, the “total deportation” you suggest, that does nothing about muslims in general and islam? Seems like you’re just trying to undermine another JW contributor… If, however, I’m wrong about that, start by explaining some, if not all of these “variety of ways” and go from there.
Agatha Camilla Decruz says
The Russians got it RIGHT.
You would think the Americans would have learned their powerful lesson after 9-11.
Obviously not. After Benghazi, they do not FEAR the Americans anymore.
I wonder what it would take to ‘wake’ up the Americans, Canadians and the West?
Not to mention; what will it take to ‘Wake Up’ the ‘Silent Majority’ of Muslims to SCREAM AGAINST the Atrocities taking place in the name of ISLAM!
A Nuclear WAR!! Pakistan has them, Iran will soon enough.
Truly we live in “Interesting Times”.
Bukkdem Jizheads says
“Compare these flabbergasted political sycophants with Putin and his answer to a question posed him by a Le Monde reporter about the war in Chechnya, “If you are a Christian, you are in danger. Even if you are an atheist, you are in danger, and if you decide to convert to Islam, this will not save you, either, because traditional Islam is inimical to the conditions and objectives set by the terrorists. If you are prepared to become a most radical Islamist and are prepared to circumcise yourself, I invite you to come to Moscow. I will recommend having the operation done in such a way that nothing will grow for you there anymore.”
Putin has the perfect idea and I salute him. MGM those invaders at their own expense! It will stem the tide so fast! Castrate them as a condition of entry and put them to work in the construction/landscaping jobs. That will stem the tide!