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U.S. soldiers ordered to ignore Afghan allies’ abuse of boys

Sep 20, 2015 3:45 pm By Robert Spencer

What are we in Afghanistan for, if not to stand for our own values and the principles of human rights? Instead, U.S. officials are aiding and abetting the destruction of these boys’ lives — and in the case of Lance Corporal Buckley, sacrificing our own troops. This is beyond shameful.

“Those are the ones brought near in the Gardens of Pleasure, a company of the former peoples and a few of the later peoples, on thrones woven, reclining on them, facing each other. There will circulate among them young boys made eternal with vessels, pitchers and a cup from a flowing spring.” — Qur’an 56:11-18

“And they will be given to drink a cup whose mixture is of ginger, a fountain within Paradise named Salsabeel. There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them scattered pearls. And when you look there, you will see pleasure and great dominion.” — Qur’an 76:17-20

Gregory Buckley

“U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Afghan Allies’ Abuse of Boys,” by Joseph Goldstein, New York Times, September 20, 2015:

KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

The policy has endured as American forces have recruited and organized Afghan militia to help hold territory against the Taliban. But soldiers and Marines have been increasingly troubled that instead of weeding out pedophiles, the American military was arming them in some cases and placing them as the commanders of villages — and doing little when they began abusing children.
Gregory Buckley Sr. believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death.

“The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore pedophilia by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

Four years later, the Army is also trying to forcibly retire Sgt. First Class Charles Martland, a Special Forces member who joined Captain Quinn in beating up the commander….

The American policy of nonintervention was intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflected a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status.

Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.

“The bigger picture was fighting the Taliban,” a former Marine lance corporal reflected. “It wasn’t to stop molestation.”

Still, the former lance corporal, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid offending fellow Marines, recalled feeling sickened the day he entered a room on a base and saw three or four men lying on the floor with children between them. “I’m not a hundred percent sure what was happening under the sheet, but I have a pretty good idea of what was going on,” he said.

But the American policy of treating pedophilia as a cultural issue has often alienated the villages whose children were being preyed upon. The pitfalls of the policy emerged clearly as American Special Forces soldiers began to form Afghan Local Police militias to hold villages that American forces had retaken from the Taliban in 2010 and 2011.

By the summer of 2011, Captain Quinn and Sergeant Martland, both Green Berets on their second tour in northern Kunduz Province, began to receive dire complaints about the Afghan Local Police units they were training and supporting.

First, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.

When he asked a superior officer what more he could do, he was told that he had done well to bring it up with local officials but that there was nothing else to be done. “We’re being praised for doing the right thing, and a guy just got away with raping a 14-year-old girl,” Mr. Quinn said.

Village elders grew more upset at the predatory behavior of American-backed commanders. After each incident, Captain Quinn would gather the Afghan commanders and lecture them on human rights.

Soon another commander absconded with his men’s wages. Mr. Quinn said he later heard the commander had spent the money on dancing boys. Another commander murdered his 12-year-old daughter in a so-called “honor killing” for having kissed a boy. “There were no repercussions,” Mr. Quinn recalled.

In September 2011, an Afghan woman, visibly bruised, showed up at an American base with her son, who was limping. One of the Afghan police commanders in the area, Abdul Rahman, had abducted the boy and forced him to become a sex slave, chained to his bed, the woman explained. When she sought her son’s return, she herself was beaten. Her son had eventually been released, but she was afraid it would happen again she told the Americans on the base.

She explained that because “her son was such a good-looking kid, he was a status symbol” local commanders coveted, recalled Mr. Quinn, who did not speak to the woman directly but was told about her visit when he returned to the base from a mission later that day.

So Captain Quinn summoned Abdul Rahman and confronted him about what he had done. The police commander acknowledged that it was true, but brushed it off. When the American officer began to lecture about “how you are held to a higher standard if you are working with U.S. forces, and people expect more of you,” the commander began to laugh.

“I picked him up and threw him onto the ground,” Mr. Quinn said. Sergeant Martland joined in, he said. “I did this to make sure the message was understood that if he went back to the boy, that it was not going to be tolerated,” Mr. Quinn recalled….

Sergeant Martland, who received a Bronze Star for valor for his actions during a Taliban ambush, wrote in a letter to the Army this year that he and Mr. Quinn “felt that morally we could no longer stand by and allow our A.L.P. to commit atrocities,” referring to the Afghan Local Police.

The father of Lance Corporal Buckley believes the policy of looking away from sexual abuse was a factor in his son’s death, and he has filed a lawsuit to press the Marine Corps for more information about it.

Lance Corporal Buckley and two other Marines were killed in 2012 by one of a large entourage of boys living at their base with an Afghan police commander named Sarwar Jan.

Mr. Jan had long had a bad reputation; in 2010, two Marine officers managed to persuade the Afghan authorities to arrest him following a litany of abuses, including corruption, support for the Taliban and child abduction. But just two years later, the police commander was back with a different unit, working at Lance Corporal Buckley’s post, Forward Operating Base Delhi, in Helmand Province.

Lance Corporal Buckley had noticed that a large entourage of “tea boys” — domestic servants who are sometimes pressed into sexual slavery — had arrived with Mr. Jan and moved into the same barracks, one floor below the Marines. He told his father about it during his final call home.

Word of Mr. Jan’s new position also reached the Marine officers who had gotten him arrested in 2010. One of them, Maj. Jason Brezler, dashed out an email to Marine officers at F.O.B. Delhi, warning them about Mr. Jan and attaching a dossier about him.

The warning was never heeded. About two weeks later, one of the older boys with Mr. Jan — around 17 years old — grabbed a rifle and killed Lance Corporal Buckley and the other Marines.

Lance Corporal Buckley’s father still agonizes about whether the killing occurred because of the sexual abuse by an American ally. “As far as the young boys are concerned, the Marines are allowing it to happen and so they’re guilty by association,” Mr. Buckley said. “They don’t know our Marines are sick to their stomachs.”

The one American service member who was punished in the investigation that followed was Major Brezler, who had sent the email warning about Mr. Jan, his lawyers said. In one of Major Brezler’s hearings, Marine Corps lawyers warned that information about the police commander’s penchant for abusing boys might be classified. The Marine Corps has initiated proceedings to discharge Major Brezler.
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  1. Mark Rosenthal says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    If our troops are not there to kill then we need to bring them home and send in all the peace makers over there.
    It’s the right thing to do

  2. somehistory says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Gotta’ have a train load of empathy and respect for the guys who did what they could to stop this *cult* ure of despicable, satanic, demonic, beastly, unholy behavior.

    Much sympathy for the families of the murdered troops whose souls were tortured by what they saw and heard and were ordered to ignore.

    Those who ordered that the troops ignore such barbarity have bloody hands.

    • Huck Folder says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 3:16 am

      How high did this go in the military, did the JAG know?

      Look at the similarities with ‘Major’ Hassan.

      Has ANY senior officer been punished?

      How about the Caliph-in-Chief?

  3. afrostreetwise says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    To say its sickening does not even begin to describe it. Something is extremely wrong with the poeple of this region-obviously including their demonic islam.

  4. Katnis says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    This makes me sick on so many levels. I have so much respect for our marines. I have a hard time believing this story. We can’t protect those poor children, who will probably grow up to become abusive themselves? If this is true, who are we?

    Remind me why we are letting these people into our Western countries?

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 6:17 pm

      It is a true report. It’s also backed up by information Diana West reported years ago:

      Buried in the pages of a recent report of interviews with our men and women deployed in Afghanistan, conducted by the US Military (hat tips to Andrew Bostom and Diana West), we learn the following:

      As West put it: “…the U.S. Military conducted interviews (of course buried in a report few are reading and left untouched by the mainstream media) of American military personnel about how they felt trying to “win the hearts and minds” of creatures who have no hearts or minds…”

      Here are some quotes from that report:

      Many US soldiers were appalled by the rampant torture of dogs and puppies they witnessed while being based with ANSF [Afghanistan National Security Forces] units. Many ANSF members are prone to inflicting abuse onto stray dogs they bring to the base for “entertainment” purposes.

      Other ANSF members, while not condoning the torture, fail to see any importance in such behaviors given the standing of dogs in Islam. Dogs are seen [in Islam] as vermin and many ANSF members find it inexplicable that anyone could be concerned about such “trivial matters,” and deeply resent any interference. [So much for “not condoning the torture”…– Hesp] This animal abuse is a substantial psychological stressor for many US soldiers and has been the cause of many serious social altercations with ANSF members.

      US soldiers reported that they had observed many cases of child abuse and neglect that infuriated them and alienated them from the civilian populace. They made it very clear that they wanted nothing to do with people who treat children so cruelly.

      Although not reported by the US soldiers who participated in this study, there have been numerous accounts of Canadian troops in Kandahar complaining about the rampant sexual abuse of children they have witnessed ANSF personnel commit, including the cultural practice of bacha bazi, as well as the raping and sodomizing of little boys…

      Similarly, US soldiers…mentioned the poor treatment and virtual slavery of Women in Afghan society, and how they found such practices repugnant.

      They found it unpalatable to befriend other men who had such primitive beliefs; the cultural gulf was too wide.

      They were repulsed by the abuse and neglect they observed in how children are treated in Afghan society.

      US soldiers largely reported that they did not care for Afghan civilians due to these factors as well as their suspected sympathies for the insurgents.

      [End quote]

      These aren’t “extremists” or “Salafists” – these are the ordinary Muslim “moms and pops” which our men, under our insane COIN policy, have to try to befriend, sit on mats in yoga-style and drink tea with, and spend our blood, money and precious time helping to become human.

      [For the source and much more: http://www.dianawest.net/Home/tabid/36/EntryId/2218/Dying-over-the-Truth-Murder-Inside-the-Wire.aspx ]

      • Katnis says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 9:02 pm

        Thanks for sharing that. I still have a hard time digesting this information. It’s pathetic and it makes me sick. We live in a world where one of the largest religions believes in rape, torture, genocide, child molestation, mass bombings, and on and on and on.

        The worst is that these people could soon become your next door neighbors.

        • Jack says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:17 am

          Hello Katnis: I feel better that stories like this are coming out, the whole world should know and must know if we’re to have a chance to stop this sick behavior but as you know people aren’t going to hear it from the MSM because I’ve been warning people over fifteen years about this this Sick Evil Fascist Ideology and for several years after I started I rarely got a comment unless it was a derogatory one, or the people didn’t have a clue as to what Islam is about, this is why I feel better, not to be confused with I feel better that it happened, I already knew that it goes on, still this article made me teary eyed, my frustration is that people called me crazy or I was told it had nothing to do with Islam. We all need to go on Liberal site such as the Daily KOS who bends over backwards to stand up for Muslims. Doctor Ben Carson was attacked because he spoke the truth about why a Muslim shouldn’t be elected president, I read the story on yahoo and a good share of the readers that replied were against Doctor Carson they could be Muslims but with names like Bob, Tom and Bill Etc. it’s seemed doubtful, just American fools too stupid to realize that Islam is the worse thing that could happen to any Democratic country. This cancer has already infected America and with the many ABC well funded Muslim organizations it will grow and grow fast, now America has to deal with Hijrah that is Immigration Jihad which is even supported by large church groups who have been actually lobbying for more Muslims while no concern for the Christians that are being murdered by Muslims in the very countries these Muslims are from, the Scriptures give a warning especially to “Latter Days” Christians; God warns that He will send “Strong Delusion” how would He do this, there is only one example that I’m aware of, He used a Lying Spirit, so it’s possible He could use many Lying Spirits, something is seriously wrong with the thinking of millions of people, many of us see Islam as the threat it is and we shake our heads and wonder why others cant see this, Especially with Islam’s almost 1400 years of continual ISIS like atrocities committed against innocent men, women and children.{):-(

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 1:21 am

          Katniss, those type of people are already your next door neighbors. Look up something called metzitzah b’peh.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 1:36 pm

          A very rare circumcision rite does not compare to MASSIVE CHILD RAPE COMMITTED BY MUSLIM SUB-PIGS LIKE YOU MAZO!! SO HOW MANY LITTLE BOYS HAVE YOU PERSONALLY RAPED, YOU MUSLIM FILTH!!! A VERY RARELY AND REJECTED BY MOST JEWS CIRCUMCISION METHOD DOES NOT COMPARE TO 1400 YEARS OF GANG RAPE OF LITTLE BOYS BY THE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY CALLED iSLAM.

          It must be hard for you to pretend you object to raping little boys, since you are obviously a very devout muslim, and do so every chance you get.

        • Katnis says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 11:13 pm

          @Mazo – Your reply isn’t relevant here. Be what Metzitzah b’peh is, I live in a city where some of my friends and neighbors are Jews. They are all wonderful, quality people and I am honored to know them. I can’t say the same about Muslims. They simply don’t have the same values and I don’t see a place for them in my world. World history supports my inclination, as does crime and rape statistics, as does this site. You’re barking up the wrong tree.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm

        Yes–repulsive, Voeg. I read that piece by Diana West some time ago.

        • Kathy Brown, Esq. says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:41 pm

          I didn’t need to read it.

          My late British husband told me his own firsthand experience when he was in the RAF and posted to the Mideast:

          He was out with his fellow soldiers and a muslim man came on to him (Brian was 19, tall, blonde and gorgeous).

          Brian took exception to this pervert and cold-cocked him. At this, the muslim’s pals drew knives and tried to kill Brian. Only by dint of fisticuffs and some speedy footwork did he-and they-escape.

          ‘Men are for fun, women are for children’. That’s their [islamic] saying. Oh-and these are the same ‘purists’ who throw homos off of rooftops, then stone them to death.

          Admirable, is it not? Islam I mean.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 11:30 am

          “Our founding
          fathers knew that Islam needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.”

          Not really. They knew it was an inimical culture that had to be fought, but they never used genocidal language referring to managing the problem. The most robust voice weighing in on this issue from among the Founding Fathers — John Quincy Adams (6th President of the United States of America) — penned an articulate description and diagnosis of the problem of Islam, but no prescription to “wipe it off the face of the Earth” or anything similar:

          For the full text of Adams’ quote, see:

          http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=7&article=1142

  5. Peter Charles says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    The president ios the obe responsible for policty on all USA controlled basae, That man is Prtes.arracki H. Obama. Tell him of our displeasure.

  6. Peter Charles says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    The one responsible is the C in Chief, our presideent,

    • Angemon says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 7:12 pm

      Indeed.

  7. George S. says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    In most Muslim societies women are kept covered in burkas, so the prettiest things that most unmarried Muslim men ever see are beardless pre-pubescent boys. Beardless boys are not regarded as male, so sex with them is not considered as homosexuality as it is between adult men. Being beardless means that they’re classed as female (‘catamites’) under sharia law.
    Consequently, in traditional Muslim societies completely clean shaving is frowned upon, as it sends the wrong messages about sexual availability. If full beards (Taliban-style) are not worn, then moustaches are required.
    Muslim clerics are especially fond of little boys, and enjoying them sexually is one of the perks of the job. Muslims get very annoyed if kuffars interfere with their rightful privileges. Consequently many mullahs and clerics in the west get outraged if kuffars (unbelievers) start investigating their activities under western law.
    Bacha bazi, or boy play or “Damcing Boys”, is an ancient custom that goes back centuries and possibly thousands of years in Afghanistan. It was banned under the Taliban regime but has been revived, particularly in northern regions, since the Taliban’s demise and attendant increase in certain freedoms. It is also on the rise in Pakistan, a country which – by the way – leads the world on Google for child sex queries!
    In this deplorable custom, powerful, rich men take poor and vulnerable boys into their “protection”. They promise to train them or give them work and prepare them for a better life. In reality, the boys are taken into a form of sexual slavery from which they have no escape. Their “masters” teach the boys to entertain their personal and business friends by dressing in girl’s clothing and dancing seductively in front of all-male audiences.
    Masters also compete among each other for prestige and social rank for having the “prettiest” boys. At the end of the evening the boys are often shared for sexual favours or bought and sold among masters, and such events often end in assault and rape. Boys have been killed as a result of disputes between the masters or for attempting to escape. (Just do a search on YouTube with the term Bacha Bazi, and you will see outrageous examples of this practice.)
    There has been recent news coverage of the extent of child abuse in certain cities in the UK – 1,400 underage children (girls as young as 9 and 11) abused in Birmingham over the last decade or more, with police and council coverups.
    I just wonder how many boys have been abused by “Asians” (a UK euphemistic term for muslims) in the same cities? Boys are generally much less willing to report abuse because of the social stigma attached to the reporting by their friends, school mates, and society. It is time that this type of abuse in the UK was investigated and the perpetrators of the abuse brought to justice.

    • George S. says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 5:04 pm

      sorry…typo…my bad, should read “Dancing Boys” not Damcing Boys.

    • Katnis says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 9:14 pm

      I just Googled bacha bazi. WHAT??? I thought this was a culture that would murder homosexuals? islam is “religion” that bends its own rules, leaves its victims in a hopeless cycle of hatred and violence.

      BEYOND SICK. I think I would rather jump off a cliff.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 11:26 pm

        Katnis, what Islam hates is *consensual* relationships between gay men.

        But pedophilia on young boys or homosexual rape intended to humiliate is perfectly Halal.

        Pious Muslims believe that along with those 72 self-sealing virgins that they gain access to “pearly boys” to rape in paradise as well.

        • Peggy says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:50 pm

          PURE EVIL. How they can’t see that their instructions come from the depths of Hell is beyond me.

    • voegelinian says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 2:53 am

      “It [bacha bazi] was banned under the Taliban regime”

      You have a link proving this claim?

      • Angemon says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 7:25 am

        A mslim troll is running rampant, kicking up sand and trying to muddy the waters, and saying what amounts to that (and insulting GI whom you frequently ask help from), but you, as usual, turn your prying eye to the non-muslim, non-trolls.

        As per your question, and since you’re seemingly too lazy to google it:

        http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/10/28/bacha-bazi-an-afghan-tragedy/

        http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/bacha-bazi-the-tragedy-of-afghanistans-dancing-boys/

      • voegelinian says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 11:33 am

        I’m asking George S.,(or any other normal JW reader who posts in good faith) not Angemon, whom I try to avoid reading, nor his friends.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 11:41 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “I’m asking George S.,(or any other normal JW reader who posts in good faith) not Angemon, whom I try to avoid reading, nor his friends.”

          That’s hilarious, coming from you, since you’ve asked on scores, if not hundreds of occasions, for others to speak for you and reply to questions made to you about your stance, opinions and posts. As usual, you don’t explain to why I’m not a “normal” JW reader, nor why I’m allegedly not in “good faith” – you, like muslim apologists, just throw your crap around and hope people believe it.

          As you’ve clearly read in my post, I gave you what you asked for (I could have given more, but posts containing many links are automatically flagged for moderation) – claiming that you asked someone else to give you that won’t make my post any less relevant, or in “ill faith”. Or, you know, you could have googled it yourself and saved a bit of embarrassment.

  8. celtic warriorcanada says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    I guess the new sodomite military leaders hand picked and appointed by the Obama Administration will be able to stomach this evil practice better . Maybe they will even participate ! Maybe they will even receive a Blessing from the Pope . After all wasn’t it part of pre – Christian Greco Roman Society ? and this Pope acts more like a pagan Roman than the Successor of S.T. Peter. Though of course with a Communist twist to it , Which makes him even more Monstrous ! There were of course Popes in the past who actually made Good Contributions to the preservation of important Christian Doctrines like The Trinity , The Deity of Jesus Christ etc like Pope Gregory . If Pope Francis had his way The Iron Curtain would probably be Restored ! Unfortunately many of the Popes minions ( Comrades) also like young boys. And like the muslims , share the same Hatred of Jews And genuine Christians

  9. SoCalMike says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    Widespread homosexual pedophilia.
    And remember Taliban Rule #19.
    “No Taliban member shall bring into his sleeping quarters boys without (too young to have) facial hair.”

    Why would these animals need such a rule? Because it’s so widespread and accepted among these animals.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 5:30 pm

      It may be a creepy thought on my part, so forgive me: Do these hungry Afghan men shave their own bodies of all hair before they bed down with an 8-yr old boy? I mean, they do that before they fly airliners into skyscrapers to mass murder thousands of Infidels, and that’s a holy moment by the ideals of Islam and the commands of the Holy Ko-Ran, so I was wondering about the hair thing when it comes to doing… you know.

  10. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors[2][3] and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.

    So it’s not like we don’t have homosexual swingers with a taste for the little boys here in America, the world’s greatest nation that exalts its exceptionalism. Exceptional, indeed in a world re-legislated by the U.S. Supreme Court as far as marriage. And now that we have a homosexual Secretary of the Army, GIs returning from Afghanistan after watching what goes on there should they so desire they can look forward to settling down in a homosexual marriage and living happily ever after in a house with a white picket fence.

    As for the homo passages in the Holy Ko-Ran, let’s wait and see what Pope Frank has to say on the subject during his visit here to our re-legislated America. He seems to be coming out of the closet, and there could be a scene where he stands in his Pope Mobile and casts dozens of pearls to the worshipful crowd, the pearls thereby no longer hidden.

    Make sense?

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 11:29 pm

      Yeah, APF–but pedophilia is illegal in the West, and most gay people are disgusted by NAMBLA.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 1:07 am

        It ain’t illegal in Rotherham, England, and that’s in the West. Oh, speaking legalistically, yes, technically pedophilia is illegal in England, but like with our southern border when the law is intentionally not enforced, it becomes the effective law.

        Plus, here in America we have our hero ex-Prez Bill flying the Lolita Express to mount pubescent girls on some private island east of Bermuda. So we’re moving eastward, maybe not all the way east to Afghan, but a move nonetheless. Plus, our young marines are being exposed to the practice of homosexual pedophilia, so we’ll see if this bears cultural fruits, so to speak, here in America, NAMBLA or no.

  11. Bezelel says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    Q. How do Afghans separate the men from the boys?
    A. With a pry bar.

    • katnis says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      ha

  12. Dan says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    Yeah well these “cultural things” are why their countries are a fecal hole.

    And the way things are going, we better start getting used it.

  13. Dan says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 6:28 pm

    And here’s an example of how we should react.

    When the British “ruled” India, there was this custom of, when man dies, his widow is burned (alive) on his funeral pyre.

    The British said,”This is a horrible practice, and must stop.”

    The reply was, “But this is our custom, and we will continue to do it.”

    To which the British said, “Okay. But it is British custom to execute people who burn widows alive so you go right on ahead.”

    It worked.

    • Karen says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 6:58 pm

      Best possible example….

    • STEVE says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 8:26 am

      Islam is a filthy, hate filled, sexist, racist, homophobic, 11th century sewer religion and has only, repeat only, been legitimized and “accepted” in the last 40 years due to the $$$$$$$$$$$$$ coming into to those backwards, hate mongering nations through their oil production. Western nations from 1970 on have treated these “kings and sheiks” from these pig nations as actual royalty while allowing their butchering practices of their so called religion to not only go on unchecked in their own nations but to actually gain destructive, kudzu type footholds in every other country in the world. It’s all real, it’s all fact and you can accept it or not, $$$$$$$$ talks and if these muslim nations did not have it, they would be regarded as the murdering, terroristic cowards they are, and would dealt with as just that, murdering thieves…period.

  14. Mazo says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 6:49 pm

    Its funny how you idiots destroy your own agenda by conflating local ethnic cultural practices with Islam, throwing them in with real Islamic practices, and claiming they are all due to Islam.

    There are things obviously permitted in Islam which disagree with western laws like polygamy and certain other practices.

    Then there are things like sodomy which is unequivocally condemned in Islam.

    Bacha Bazi is a cultural practice of ethnic tribal Pashtuns who live in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan.

    Other Muslim ethnic groups in the area do not practice Bacha Bazi. Indic Muslims like Punjabi Muslims from eastern Pakistan and Indian Muslims do not practice it.

    In fact these Indic Muslims, Punjabi Muslims, and Mohajirs (Pakistanis of Indian Muslim origin) have created a whole subset of ethnic jokes devoted to mocking Pashtuns called “Pathan jokes”.

    Pathan is a derogatory name used by Indic Muslims for Pashtuns. The Indic Muslims make fun of Pashtuns and call them Naswar chewing drug addicts, boy lovers, primitive tribal cavemen, and rickshaw pullers. They are made fun of as homosexual boy lovers because of their custom of Bacha Bazi.

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 7:55 pm

      Except muslim traditions regarding your sub-animal, so called prophet, regale us all with examples of him doing the very same things….

      You really are stupid (make that stoooooooopid!!) coming to a website where the average poster knows more about your vile, sub animal ‘belief’ system then you would ever want them to…

      • Jay Boo says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 11:17 pm

        Mazo mentions “Pakistanis of Indian Muslim origin) have created a whole subset of ethnic jokes devoted to mocking Pashtuns …”
        It is not just Pastuns
        We might also add Rouhollah Mousavi Khomeini who was the beloved supreme spiritual leader of the whole Islamic country of Iran who publically kissed little boys on the lips and married a prepubescent girl.

    • Peter Charles says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 8:07 pm

      Certain other practices? Like lying to apostates, non believers and all non muslims being perfectly all right? Killing nonb believers not a sin, permitted in fact,, nthen stealing their property, ensl;aving his wife and children? Beating your wife for disobediance, requiring three male witnesses to prove rape, striking (with a sword/knife) the necks of non belivers, not being bound by treaties with non believers unlesss it suits the muslim to go along, never taking an apostate or a non believer as a true friend, being forced to pay a tax for not being a muslim, and more? I’ll looke up more if you want and give you the sura chapter and verse.

      • Mazo says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 8:40 pm

        The moment you throw Bacha Bazi in there you destroy your entire argument and everyone will see you as a liar. It doesn’t matter if everything else you said is true. You just include one lie and people will ignore you.

        Just like the incredibly stupid people who conflate Taqiyya (Shia pracfice of dissimulation to avoid persecution) with lying.

        Lying is straight up called lying in Arabic. If an Arabic speaking cleric said its okay to lie, he would use the ordinary, generic word for lie (kidhb) and not “Taqiyya”. No fancy special term for lying to unbelievers.

        Your arguments have been destroyed countless times just by you morons using the word “taqiyya” to make yourselves look smart, especially against Sunnis.

        Go ask an ex-Muslim atheist. Lying to unbelievers is just called lying as in any other case. The same word. Not Taqiyya.

        I see that alot of morons apparently got it from Raymond Ibrahim that Sunnis practice Taqiyya.

        Ramond Ibrahim quoted a DRUZE scholar Sami Makarem who was giving his own personal opinion on Islam and claimed the word Taqiyya should be widened to describe what Muslims do in general.

        This is like taking a gnostic teaching on the nature of Christianity and claiming it is a true Christian tenet practiced by all Christians.

        Druze are an esoteric religion that branched out of Ismailism and is now outside the pale of Islam. They don’t have autority to issue fatawa on Sunni teachings. They don’t allow converts to their religion and keept their teachings secret.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 9:13 pm

          Wrong as usual… YOU are going to tell us what makes us look like liars?? We’re listening to the wrong people about islam (RTC)? You are light years, nay, thousands of parsecs beyond being a fool

          Listening to you about ANYTHING would be as foolish as listening to an extermination camp guard with fresh blood on his hands from beating a Jew to death, tell us that they aren’t really extermination camps!! Oh no, they are recreation camps, just for those we love so much??

        • Angemon says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 9:27 pm

          Mazo posted:

          “It doesn’t matter if everything else you said is true. You just include one lie and people will ignore you.”

          Have you ever tried to say something true to see if people start believing you?

        • Mazo says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 10:57 pm

          I forgot to mention the morons who keep citing the Hadith about music and saying all forms of Islam condmen musical instruments.

          The Sufi Al-Ghazali said that the Hadith against musical instruments was weak and disliked that Hadith. Sufis cite the other Ahadith say musical instruments are allowed and use it to justify playing music and that is why there are many famous Sufi musicians like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan who play religious music. Most Chechens belong to Sufi orders or are just Shafi’i and they play musical instruments which are not viewed as haram by their scholars. Most Central Asians were converted by Sufis which is why stringed instruments like meshrep are found there.

          Salafi scholars love the Hadith against musical instruments, they cite it to justify all music as haram and bida’a and advocate smashing musical instruments and breaking ouds. They don’t take advice from Al-Ghazali. They follow their own Salafi scholars.

          All it takes is for someone to bring up Al-Ghazali and Sufi musicians like Nusrat and the entire dumb claim about all Muslims hating music just collapses.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 7:14 am

          Mazo posted:

          “I forgot to mention the morons who keep citing the Hadith about music and saying all forms of Islam condmen musical instruments.”

          You mean you forgot about yourself? Remember when you posted a fatwa stating that musical instruments are forbidden in islam?

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 10:29 am

          Mazo posted:

          “I forgot to mention the morons who keep citing the Hadith about music”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/islamic-jihadists-burn-musicians-piano-because-music-is-un-islamic

          Ups! You and your coreligionists need to talk more – what’s the point of you being here trying to defend islam and discredit counter-jihadis when your coreligionists are busy undermining and discrediting you and your work?

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:06 pm

          Mazo is no doubt reminiscing over
          Islam’s Song
          Whip It by Devo

        • Wellington says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:59 pm

          I don’t need a lecture about mendacity or error from a follower of just about the greatest fraud and error in history——–Mohamed. Get lost, Mazo.

          And, oh btw, let’s face it, Islamic symphonic music and musical theater are pretty damn thin repertoires, now aren’t they? Just as there is no Mother Theresa in the Muslim world, so there is no Beethoven or Andrew Lloyd Webber. No Magna Carta or Declaration of Independence either. No First Amendment. No Shakespeare or Dostoyevsky. No Michelangelo or Raphael. No technological invention of any kind like refrigeration, railroads, automobiles, airplanes, computers, et al. No capacity either to say “We have been wrong,” for instance on the matter of African slavery. No…. No…. No…. No….

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:12 am

          Bavarian Oktoberfest verses the Hajj

          More Muslims are rushing to Germany for Oktoberfest this year than the Hajj in Mecca.

          It appears that Muslims prefer Beer and Pork roast.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:12 am

          More from Mazo:

          The moment you throw Bacha Bazi in there you destroy your entire argument and everyone will see you as a liar. It doesn’t matter if everything else you said is true. You just include one lie and people will ignore you.
          …………………………………..

          This is, in fact, revealing of Mazo’s entire purpose here–to find–or gin up or outright lie about–any supposed mistake on the part of decent Infidels.

          And if the filthy Kuffar are mistaken about–or if Mazo or any of his coreligionists can pretend that they are–any minor aspect of Islam, then they have no right to complain about Muslims raping, enslaving, or murdering them.

          More:

          Just like the incredibly stupid people who conflate Taqiyya (Shia pracfice of dissimulation to avoid persecution) with lying.

          Lying is straight up called lying in Arabic. If an Arabic speaking cleric said its okay to lie, he would use the ordinary, generic word for lie (kidhb) and not “Taqiyya”. No fancy special term for lying to unbelievers.

          Your arguments have been destroyed countless times just by you morons using the word “taqiyya” to make yourselves look smart, especially against Sunnis.
          …………………………………..

          Oh, not really. Taqiyya may be a specifically Shia practice, but Kitman, Darura, Maruna, and Muda’rat–all Sunni concepts for sacralized lying,

          The Sunni compendium of Islamic law, The Reliance of the Traveler , reads: “[it is] obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory… Whether the purpose is war, settling a disagreement, or gaining the sympathy of a victim legally entitled to retaliate… it is not unlawful to lie when any of these aims can only be attained through lying. But is is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression…”

          More:

          I forgot to mention the morons who keep citing the Hadith about music and saying all forms of Islam condmen (sic) musical instruments….

          All it takes is for someone to bring up Al-Ghazali and Sufi musicians like Nusrat and the entire dumb claim about all Muslims hating music just collapses.
          …………………………………..

          Mazo loves to flog this one–and yet, Sahih Hadith and the Qur’an itself condemn the use of singling and musical instruments.

          Recently–and quite hilariously–Mazo linked to a site that actually *confirmed* that such things are Haram.

          Most importantly, though, is the fact that pious Muslims are willing to die and to *kill* to enforce this ban, and that they do so on the basis of orthodox Islam.

          As usual, Mazo believes that we have to countenance every kind of Muslim savagery–including child rape and murdering musicians–on his say so that this barbarism has nothing to do with Islam.

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:41 am

          Cravenmirage is just proving my point and distorting what I wrote.

          The Shafi’i Madhhab Fiqh manual Reliance of the Traveller uses the generic ordinary word “lie” and does not include any special terms like “Taqiyya” to refer to lying to non-Muslims. That is exactly what I said. Yet brain damaged people keep claiming Sunnis practice Taqiyya.

          And the Reliance of the Traveller is just sanctioning the obvious actions of what ordinary people would do. In wartime, any sane person would lie to deceive an enemy, when trying to settle a dispute between two people in real life, any sane person would try to deceive to their advantage, when trying to avoid violent retaliation (to stop someone trying to kill you) any sane person would lie to save their life.

          I explicitly noted that Sufi Imam Al Ghazali disliked the Hadith against instruments and stated it was weak, and said that music is permitted. Sufis do not follow Salafi scholars and don’t take dictates from their Fatawa. Sufis use musical instruments and play music all the time.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 11:51 am

          Wellington is on the right track in this subtopic Mazo brought up (which perhaps should be moved over to the other threads nearby, “Islamic jihadists burn musician’s piano because music is un-Islamic” or “France: Muslim who returned from Islamic State instructed to attack concert”). The point is not the tissue of kitman obfuscation Mazo is trying to twist, whereby one can anxiously cite some Muslim individuals or subgroups here and there who have found a way to avoid forbidding music (the very fact that a culture makes this necessary at all already damns it anyway), but the massive fact that for all the apparent “diversity” one could adduce about music among Muslims by scrambling around trying to collect pitiful instances to demonstrate it (a Westernized Muslim jazz musician over here, an Iranian ex-pat violinist over there, some primitive mass-murderous Chechens with their anthropologically primitive Bronze Age music over elsewhere, et fucking cetera), overall the Muslim world has not demonstrated the wondrously fecund appreciation and cultivation of music developed by Europe and adopted with enthusiasm & talent by non-white non-Western (and non-Muslim) peoples the world over. Think of all the Japanese, Chinese, Korean and non-Muslim black African and Latin Americans involved in an amazing diversity of music — from classical music on down to fusions of indigenous traditional music and Western pop & jazz. There is nothing like this in the Muslim world, with the exception of pockets of cheesy pop from the Middle East (e.g., Egypt — and if one investigated that further, one might find it was thanks to Western uppropped dictators allowing for a narrow space of free air to breathe amid the otherwise stifling Islam of those hellholes).

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 12:41 pm

          some primitive mass-murderous Chechens with their anthropologically primitive Bronze Age music over elsewhere

          Chechen musicians like Imam Alimsultanov, Ali Dimaev, and Khas-Magomed Hadjimuradov, all blow so called “musicians” in the west out of the water.

          There is nothing like this in the Muslim world, with the exception of pockets of cheesy pop from the Middle East (e.g., Egypt —

          Holy shyte, so classical Arab music by Mohammed Abdel Wahab, Abdul Halim Hafez, Muhammad Abdu is now called “cheesy pop” by Vogon, a tart who does not speak a word of Arabic and does not know a flying crap about Arabic music. FYI Muhammad Abdu is a Saudi.

          Go listen to a classical Arabic song before daring to pretend to be a music critic.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 1:00 pm

          Mazo posted:

          “Go listen to a classical Arabic song before daring to pretend to be a music critic.”

          Because that’s totally what makes or beaks a music critic – just ask Simon Cowell… sarc./ off

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 1:07 pm

          And again we have a genetic misfit and throwback, raised to lie from his crime against humanity birth, coming here and accusing everyone else of what he himself (or herself…) lives to do: Lie.

          Comparing the limited amount of music, the vast majority of it being of incredibly low quality, to western music, is utterly moronic. Or if you prefer……. utterly MAZONIC.

        • George S. says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 3:46 pm

          Mazo is not only very rude to people on this blog but also very ignorant about what he purports to be expert in.
          I went to You Tube and listened to a few singing examples of Ali Dimaev, and Khas-Magomed Hadjimuradov – who Mazo said “blow so called “musicians” in the west out of the water.” Ahem, excuse me but not true. The four songs I listened to were typical rubbish pretending not to be rubbish.
          Where is the equivalent of Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Grieg, Prokoviev, Rachmaninov and Mahler in Islam – to name just a few of the great classical composers and performers of the West?

          Here Mazo, listen to this to hear an example of great western music:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl5ftd8uOxY (J.S. Bach – one of the greatest composers of the world – turn the volume up, it’s an incredible chorus (5-part choir and orchestra)!)

          I’m sorry, but islam has contributed very little if anything to this world except murder, killing, rape, lying and trouble – ALL islam has a hand in these troubles, I don’t care what brand of islam but they all cause trouble and lie and kill.

          Maybe it’s a case of inbreeding and denigrating the pursuits of true academic research, intellectual dialogues and cultural development – which is forbidden in islam. And this backwards and archaic attitude promulgated by your so-called “perfect man”, and the Cowran and ahadiths is historically reflected in the non-achievements of muslims.
          The Nobel Prize is a set of annual international awards bestowed in a number of categories by Scandinavian committees in recognition of cultural and scientific advances. The prizes in Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, and Peace were first awarded in 1901, the prize in Economics has been awarded since 1969.
          As of 2014, only eleven Nobel Prize winners have been Muslims. More than half of the eleven Muslim Nobel laureates were awarded the prize in the 21st century. Seven of the eleven winners have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize which is not for brains or research but more politically driven, sometimes controversially done.

          Nobel Prizes have been awarded to over 850 individuals, of whom at least 22% (without peace prize over 24%) were Jews, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world’s population (or 1 in every 500 people). Overall, Jews have won a total of 41% of all the Nobel Prizes in economics, 28% in medicine, 26% in Physics, 19% in Chemistry, 13% in Literature and 9% of all peace awards.

          So, please don’t try to lecture all here about your astounding knowledge of muslim culture and music. It’s basically non-existent. And that’s not Taqqiyah.

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 8:15 pm

          Jorge, they are way better than anything Miley Cyrus, Taylor Swift, Justin Bieber, Selena Gomez, Jonas Brothers and effeminate boy bands came up with – gay cheesy western pop music. The guitar playing skills of Chechens like Imam Alimsultanov and Timur Mutsurayev outstrip what you call “music” in western countries.

          I told vogon to listen to Arabic classical music by Arab Muslims like Mohamed Abdul Wahab, Abdul Halim Hafez, and Muhammad Abdu, before making blatantly false statements that only “cheesy pop music” is found in the Arab world. Arabs played musical instruments like the oud and others since Islam began and it is not just recent western influence.

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 8:23 pm

          By the way Jorge, I’m not claiming to be the expert, its your friends here like vogon, mail order bride lover, and voldemortsarmy who pose as experts.

          Making a claim as stupid that only “cheesy pop music” is found in the Arab world because of “western back dictators”, and claiming that all Muslims hate music, should automatically disqualify your friends from claiming to posess a human level of intelligence. And the claim that Salafis are okay with music, LOL.

          Your friends and you, if you support their claims, have zero knowledge on music in the Islamic world.

        • George S. says

          Sep 22, 2015 at 2:57 pm

          Mazo wrote: “The guitar playing skills of Chechens like Imam Alimsultanov and Timur Mutsurayev outstrip what you call “music” in western countries.” Rubbish, pure rubbish.

          Listen to some classical guitar playing from a great Spanish composer:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viVl-G4lFQ4

          Now, that’s what the world regards as superb guitar playing skills. Not Chechens plucking like chickens.

    • Katnis says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 10:55 pm

      The article opens with quotes from the Koran. Is this not the book – the words of the one prophet from the one book of the one true religion – that muslims follow?

      I”m sure that the book has more passages like this.

      • Mazo says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 11:01 pm

        All of the verses mentioned are about Paradise, not the earthly world, and say nothing about sodomy. They have nothing to do with the Pashtun practice of Bacha Bazi.

        Arabs don’t practice Bacha Bazi.

        • Jay Boo says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:10 pm

          “All of the verses mentioned are about Paradise”

          Oh, I guess that makes it ok
          But why would Muhammad make such a promise in the first place.

        • Peter Charles says

          Sep 20, 2015 at 11:22 pm

          The Prez is all over it if a cop shoots a black fellon loves to send drone bombers and give the shoot order personally……yet permits this travesty on American posts, what can he be thinking?

        • George S. says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 6:00 pm

          Mazo wrote: “Arabs don’t practice Bacha Bazi.”
          They may not practice Bacha Bazi but they sure like their pretty boys.
          I worked in Riyadh, Saudi Arabi, for three and a half years not too long ago. On one Thurday evening I was sitting at a table on the sidewalk of a noisy crowded street just people watching. This Saudi man, I would say about 34 years old, asked me if he could sit at my table. He spoke in English, so I welcomed him and bought a tea for him. We talked the usual stuff – work, did I like Riyadh, where he worked, yada, yada.
          After about 20 minutes this young boy came up to him and started to hug him. and put his hands and arms all over him, the boy looked like he was 9 or 10 years old – prepubescent – I thought he must be a relative. But no, this Saudi guy got quite embarassed and shooed the kid away. It was obvious that he had just that evening been in a deep “fling” with this little boy, who was reluctant to be sent away.
          The Saudi guy quietly said to me, “I hope you don’t mention this to your friends or office colleagues, as it could be embarassing to me.” he then had the cheek and temerity to ask me if I wanted a boy like the one I saw to accompany me back to my apartment. I didn’t. I pretty soon finished people watching and left.
          Bacha Bazi may not be practised in the Middle East, but most of the men do seem to like their “pretty” boys.

        • Mazo says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 8:18 pm

          Jorge, provide us with proof from Qur’an, Sunnah and Ahadith that sodomy is permitted. Your lying friends have been claiming this all over this article and have provided zero evidence.

          What is the ethnicity of this “boy” you claim to have seem?

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 11:52 pm

      The repulsive Mazo wrote:

      Its funny how you idiots destroy your own agenda by conflating local ethnic cultural practices with Islam, throwing them in with real Islamic practices, and claiming they are all due to Islam.
      ……………………………..

      As Muslims would have it, *every* repellent aspect of Islam is just a “local ethnic cultural practice”.

      The fact is that not only is pedophilia rife in the Muslim world, but Islamic “holy” texts note that one of the perks of paradise is raping pre-pubescent “pearly boys”.

      Bacha Bazi may be a local practice in its particulars–Muslims raping under-aged boys *is not*.

      More:

      There are things obviously permitted in Islam which disagree with western laws like polygamy and certain other practices.

      Then there are things like sodomy which is unequivocally condemned in Islam.
      ……………………………..

      Not exactly. Raping boys in paradise is actually a Muslim “perk”.

      More:

      Bacha Bazi is a cultural practice of ethnic tribal Pashtuns who live in Afghanistan and northwest Pakistan.

      Other Muslim ethnic groups in the area do not practice Bacha Bazi. Indic Muslims like Punjabi Muslims from eastern Pakistan and Indian Muslims do not practice it.
      ……………………………..

      Bacha Bazi *is* a localized “cultural practice”–raping “beardless boys” is anything but.

      • Mazo says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 12:45 am

        Cravenmirage, provide the sources where it says in Islam that people can sodomize boys.

        There is a ritual called metzitzah b’peh which is an integral part of Judaism. I suggest you look it up to see what the local Rabbi in your area is up to.

        • Western Canadian says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 1:24 pm

          Crimes against male children are committed in ALL muslim dominated cultures and enclaves, and this MAZONIC (combination of mazo and moronic) lout refers to a extremely rare and obscure Jewish circumcision rite?? Besides being a logical fallacy (they do it TOO!!!), by employing it he has, like all who employ this fallacy, admitted that the accusations are valid. MAZONIC FIRST, LAST, AND ALWAYS!!.

    • Mac-101 says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 12:11 am

      Almost all work details I saw in Afghanistan had 6 to 8 grown men and have a young boy, maybe 12 to 15 ALL painted up go with them. They’d take their lunch and make a circle all lookin away from the center except da boy and one ole guy. I never got close since I was told what these scum do. While I never been in Pakistan, I have been told by numerous service men who worked their as Liaison Officers that Thursday night was Boy Love night and the entire country went wild screwin little boys. If they lived till Friday morning Prayers ALL was forgiven.

  15. Karen says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    This is what we get in our culturally neutral fantasy world; rape is no longer rape, it’s a culture thing.

    It’s been pointed out here many times that the British stopped the practice of widow immolation in India by standing up for British values; this likely dinged the cultural sensitivities of many people at the time. But we are now so lost we don’t even have the stomach to protect children, and in fact we enable their tormentors. We don’t stand for much of anything, do we?

    How pliable civilization is. Centuries of work to get to this point, where even the most unloved and helpless child (“the least of these”) is considered equal under the law, and valuable, and worthy of protection. Then someone rebalances the equation in the name of mercy, culture, progressive values, or whatever. We have judges and psychiatrists incrementally trying to shift society’s views on pedophilia, and advocating non-punishment for this crime. And now our military, and presumably Commander in Chief, feel pedophilia is just one of those cultural things…. I’m deeply offended that we are spending blood and treasure in such a place.

    • Peter Charles says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 8:14 pm

      With the correct rules of engagement., not the stupidity the current C in C has imposed, it would be better to crush them there rather than doing it here. The POTUS seems to have invited 85,000 muslim radical killlers so we can do so without leaving home……insane, don’t you think?

    • Peggy says

      Sep 20, 2015 at 10:25 pm

      If the objective is not to protect the most vulnerable and install democracy and freedom in that country what exactly IS the obvjective in Afghanistan?
      Watching while children are getting raped is not protecting them and there is no freedom and democracy while this goes on.
      So I would love to know what the objective is.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 20, 2015 at 11:53 pm

        Good questions, Peggy.

  16. Dr. Vincent says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    Awful. I sounded off this alarm back in 2013, and the liberals I knew called me racist … ok, so it’s racist to stand by and admit this truth. This should be broadcasted to the entire world. TY for sharing.

  17. Andi says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    Absolutely sickening. And that our armed services command condones it by default, as well as telling our troops to look the other way, is revolting. Now our president has nominated a sodomite as head of the army, looks like, if approved, he’s not going to do anything about it. (And before there’s a huge outcry against my remarks, no, I don’t think that all gay men go after little boys, but teenage boys are usually fair game. Oh, wait, only if they consent; I guess that makes it ok. After all, it’s a human right, right?)

  18. abad says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    I think it is high time that ALL of our troops in Afghanistan and every other Moslem nation should be brought home. Now. Moslems simply cannot be saved by other people. The only one who can save them is Lord Jesus Christ.

  19. Jay Boo says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    MO’s sweetie Ahmad wore a he-jab,
    Yet he was not so soft; he was Ahmad
    but between the sheets he was — Ah yeeesh.
    Aha!

    its all allowed in the Qur’an
    Freaky Franken Religion

    Oh darn,

  20. Dave J says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    21st Century – meet the 7th Century.

    Of all the “isms” in the world Islamism seems to be the absolute worst.

    It’s tempting to say we should get out and then turn the entire area into glass.

  21. Jay Boo says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    “At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,”

    Obama,
    Is this really the sweetest sound you know?

  22. Jeremiah says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    Thank you. I’m learning so much that must have gone over my head in 70 years. I’ll just take this article for a little show and tell at Church. We were wondering where we would find Satan.

  23. somehistory says

    Sep 20, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    This kind of disgusting behavior is vomit worthy to normal humans.

    Think how repulsive it must be to the True God whose Son showed a REAL love for children and treated them as children should be treated.

    These demonic animals will have to answer for each child they hurt.

  24. Cartimandua says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 12:05 am

    The same thing happened to our Canadian soldiers when they reported it. Sickening to them and it broke many of them. Now we are asked to take these stone age people into our countries as migrants or refugees all lies, of course. We are told they are all Syrians but today’s EU figures show only a fifth of them are Syrians. Many are Afghans and Germany is reporting most fights are between Afghans and other Muslims from the Middle East. They hated each other there, they hate each other ANYWHERE. Why have Free Western people invited Muslims who have hated each other from the 7th century in our FREEDOM LOVING SOCIETIES? Madness? Yes. Wrong? Yes. It is a clash of civilizations which we have already seen played out. To ask for more is to demand answers and redress from these idiotic leaders who have asked for it. As citizen, we need referendums, non stopping and redress from these vile leaders who have subjected the Free World to a disgusting and unforgiving future.

  25. Bryan Randall says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 12:52 am

    I hope we, as a western culture, are finally waking up to what the ‘religion’ of Islam really is, an abomination, created to enslave its followers, and keep them from true spiritual knowledge.

  26. Lord Wrath says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 2:45 am

    I once worked for members of the Saudi Royal Family… I had a discussion with a Saudi Captain assigned to the detail… He told me, “There is an old Saudi saying.
    ‘For children a woman. For pleasure a melon. For excatasy a boy’.” That sort of says it all for that culture doesn’t it… Damn the Bush family for their association with the Saudis, and damn both Bush’s for sending any of our military to aid any Muslims. As far as retaliation for 911,,, we should have nuked Mecca durring Ramadan!!!

    • Western Canadian says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 1:27 pm

      Really sickening the way Bush bashers keep coming by and showing their ignorance….

  27. brenrod says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 8:34 am

    It cannot be the culture if the village elders are angry with the US for facilitating the pederasts. But then what should we expect when america elects a guy named Hussein after 911 and is rumored to have frequented the chicago bath houses and now he intends to support a gay as secretary of the army. They are simply following the rule of “dont ask, dont tell”.

  28. mortimer says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 9:35 am

    ‘IT’S THEIR CULTURE’ !!!

    1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 13 Torture 14 Plundering 15 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 22 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 23 Cruelty to animals 24 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 25 No historic basis 26 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 27 FGM 28 Arab racism 29 Theocratic totalitarianism 30 Vigilantism

    …a DYSFUNCTIONAL culture. Who wants Muslims?

  29. voegelinian says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 11:56 am

    By the way, just now I suddenly found myself, according to my screen, “you are now logged in as Angemon”. On previous days recently, I’ve also noticed on my upper border of the screen names of other people as my profile. I don’t know if anyone else has had this strange problem, but marc should be alerted about it. Ordinarly, I would email Robert Spencer about it, but I’m leery of contacting someone who oddly thinks I “hate” them.

    • Angemon says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “By the way, just now I suddenly found myself, according to my screen, “you are now logged in as Angemon”. On previous days recently, I’ve also noticed on my upper border of the screen names of other people as my profile. I don’t know if anyone else has had this strange problem, but marc should be alerted about it.”

      This kind of issues have happened before, and marc has spoken on what to do. But since you seem to think I’m not a “normal” JW member and that I’m not “in good faith”, I’ll leave it to you to look for the specific post.

      BTW, did you try my advice to fix your issue with the poor contrast in the JW text-boxes? How’s it working out? I haven’t seen you complaining about it since then, so I’m guessing it did the trick 😉

      “Ordinarly, I would email Robert Spencer about it”

      Who would then let marc know about it.

      “but I’m leery of contacting someone who oddly thinks I “hate” them.”

      It’s not “odd”, and you should know this by now, seeing how Mr. Spencer stated on several occasions the reason behind his logic: you’ve been here for what, a decade now?, despite having been banned several times, and your actions are consistent: you spend most of your time here trying to undermine and discredit Mr. Spencer, repeatedly lying about him and his stance. You ran a bog solely dedicated to defame him. You can claim you don’t hate him, but your actions belie your words, in the same vein that CAIR’s actions belie what they say about the existence of acceptable criticism of islam (CAIR never met a critic, or criticism, of islam they liked).

      • Peggy says

        Sep 21, 2015 at 4:50 pm

        Actually it has happened to me as well but I thought it was something I did. Funny thing is that your name came up instead of mine. Can that be just a coincidence that on both occasions your name comes up?
        Maybe you’ve been hacked? Just a thought.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 5:02 pm

          No, marc confirmed it’s a recurring issue. For whatever reason the client gets the wrong username when logged in, but it is (at least from my experience) just an aesthetic problem – none of my comments were ever posted as someone else, and I tend not to look at the username until after I submitted my reply, so I’ve submitted replies while being told I was logged in as someone else and the comments always appeared under the correct username (Angemon).

        • Katnis says

          Sep 21, 2015 at 10:37 pm

          Yep- I found myself logged in as Jay Boo just last week!
          I logged out and was able to post as myself. ☺️

    • bullfrogger says

      Sep 21, 2015 at 10:42 pm

      I have the same problem . I only use bullfrogger but it has a real name and my phone number which i never give out and some e-mail address i never had .

  30. Lonny says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    What have we become?

  31. Kepha says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    Well, refusal to celebrate homosexual perversion in these United States an get your life ruined and even land you in jail. Why should our elite be bothered about Afghans behaving in a way that they wish to teach and nurture among our own young?

    It seems that our elites want the West and Islam to be equal–by bringing down the West to Islam’s sordid level.

  32. bullfrogger says

    Sep 21, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    I heard a while back from someone in Army intelligence that somewhere around 75 % of Afghan boys get that treatment at one time or another and much younger than 14 .

  33. Jeremiah says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 5:17 am

    Ignore the Rules of Engagement; Enjoy the Courts Martial and you life. Lets create some waves.

  34. Dr. Divinity says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 2:49 pm

    It seems to me that having young boys as sex slaves is homosexual…I thought that was forbidden in Islam.Hmmmm???

  35. Joyce Griffith says

    Sep 22, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    So saddened by this report on many accounts. Sad for our soldiers who have their hands tied while their hearts are broken. Sad for the young boys and their families taken advantage of by these malicious and evil men. Even sorrow for the men who don’t recognize the damage that they are doing for self gratification. God, have mercy.

  36. kay says

    Sep 23, 2015 at 9:29 am

    1) Islamic Cleric: Permissible to Engage in Sodomy if You are Engaged in Jihad
    Dean Garrison December 12, 2013
    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/12/jihad-permissable-sodomy-bombs/

    I don’t even know how to write about a subject like this so I will just spit it out. Here is a video of a London-based cleric who says it is OK to allow yourself to be sodomized so long as your intentions are pure. Pure intentions would be about widening your anus to facilitate the placement of bombs.

    2) Muslim scholars agree that Mohammed sodomized child Aiysha October 9, 2012

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/muslim-scholars-agree-that-mohammed-sodomized-child-aiysha/

    Muslims always counter argue against the shock and horror in the West that their prophet was a pedophile and used to sodomize children. Due to many debates and disagreement on this issue, they made official that Mohammed did not actually consume his marriage to Aiysha when she was a 6 year old child until she was 9 years of age, supposedly making that better.

    3) Sodomy and Sufism in Afgaynistan By Spengler Jan 11, 2011
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MA11Df03.html

    Most Pashtun men, Human Terrain Team AF-6 reports, engage in sex with men – boys – in fact, the vast majority of their sexual contacts are with males. “A culturally-contrived homosexuality [significantly not termed as such by its practitioners] appears to affect a far greater population base then some researchers would argue is attributable to natural inclination. Some of its root causes lie in the severe segregation of women, the prohibitive cost of marriage within Pashtun tribal codes, and the depressed economic situation into which young Pashtun men are placed.”

    Many of the Pashtuns interviewed allow “that homosexuality is indeed prohibited within Islam, warranting great shame and condemnation. However, homosexuality is then narrowly and specifically defined as the love of another man. Loving a man would therefore be unacceptable and a major sin within this cultural interpretation of Islam, but using another man for sexual gratification would be regarded as a foible -undesirable but far preferable to sex with a ineligible woman, which in the context of Pashtun honor, would likely result in issues of revenge and honor killings.”

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