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What we have learned since 9/11

Sep 11, 2015 11:56 am By Robert Spencer

911 attacks

Fourteen years have gone by, and what have we learned?

Almost immediately, we learned that Islam was a religion of peace. We learned that, despite the explicit statements of the 9/11 hijackers and plotters explaining and justifying their actions by reference to the Qur’an and Muhammad’s example, those hijackers and plotters were not actually motivated by Islamic texts and teachings, which are entirely benign and, indeed, beneficial for mankind.

We have learned that anyone who thought that jihadis’ statements invoking Islamic texts and teachings to justify their actions and make recruits among peaceful Muslims was linking Islam to terrorism, which was an intrinsically bigoted action.

We have learned that those who thought that some effort should be made to ensure that the Islamic texts that the jihadis invoked were not being taught in American mosques were nativists following in the footsteps of the Know-Nothings, the Ku Klux Klan, and Deep South lynch mobs.

We have learned that it was racist to be too concerned about jihad terror plotting and activity.

We have learned that if we can set aside our bigotry and racism, we will face a glorious multicultural future in which Muslims will significantly enrich our nation, as they have throughout its history.

We have learned that Islam has been responsible for the best discoveries and scientific innovations in history, and that we should encourage an Islamic presence in the U.S., as that presence is entirely benign, and no care need to taken to determine whether or not Muslim immigrants are members of jihad groups, as such groups are only a tiny minority of extremists.

We have learned that if we simply give Muslim communities a sufficient amount of money and economic opportunity, and adjust our foreign policy to eliminate the aspects of it that target Muslims, the jihad will melt away.

We have learned that the real victims of jihad terror attacks were Muslims, for they must suffer from the “Islamophobic backlash” that follows every jihad attack and foiled jihad plot, even though FBI statistics show that such “backlash” is essentially nonexistent and anti-Semitic attacks are much more frequent than “Islamophobic” ones.

We have learned that the threat of “right-wing extremists” is a far greater threat than that of the global jihad, and that Islamophobia is a much greater threat to the U.S. than jihad terror, even though “right-wing extremists” have no ideology, goal, global network, financing, terror training camps, or recruitment infrastructure.

We have learned that law enforcement counter-terror efforts in Muslim communities are hateful and bigoted, in that they single out a single community for scrutiny, when everyone knows that extremism is found in all communities: Amish, Mennonite, Unitarian Universalist, what have you.

We have learned that hate speech is not free speech, and that whatever is deemed hate speech does not enjoy First Amendment protection, and that much, if not all, counter-terror material, especially that which explores the stated motives of the jihadis, is hate speech and should be forcibly suppressed.

We have learned that when Islamic jihadis threaten us with death for doing or saying things that they say offend them, we should immediately stop doing and saying those things. To do otherwise would be needlessly provoking the jihadis, such that the ensuing jihad murders would be entirely the victims’ fault.

We have learned, in sum, what Muhammad Atta told the people on the plane he had hijacked on 9/11: “Stay quiet and you’ll be okay.” That has become the motto of the United States, and may well be its epitaph.

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  1. Jayke says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    We have learned the truth from the brave and knowledgeable Robert Spencer!

    • Don McKellar says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      It is one of the great ironies of our internet age that we have such easy access to facts and evidence and logical arguments from which there is no escape on this topic, and yet so many in power and with a voice remain determined to work against it because it is politically incorrect. I doubt that ever in human history have those who ruled been so willfully ignorant of those who threaten them and those they rule and have lasted this long. The people wouldn’t stand for it! But at this time the people seem to somehow still be open to “education” about Islam that tells them what they desperately wish to hear — so the leaders continue to spew it. No matter how much we are all inconvenienced, see billions in tax money thrown away, or how many people die in the name of Islamic conquest, it seems.

      • Always On Watch says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 2:56 pm

        Yes, it is highly ironic that we are living in the Information Age with information at our fingertips, yet the majority of people are so dumb about Islam.

        Maybe the problem is that most people use the Internet just for playing around on Facebook and like social media.

    • underbed cat says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      Jayke says, “We have learned the truth from the brave and knowledgable Robert Spencer”…yes, yes, yes. and legions of experts who know how this misinformation about the “religion that is not so peaceful” has spread and have worked very hard to get the facts and truth known, despite the massive, strategic effort to mislead. The effort made by the islamic movement to reestablish an islamic califphate had to first gain political power, influence and has succeeded with the deception with stunning, cunning skill, filling our government and all agencies of the government with the beleivers to the point of critical mass.
      There will be an awakening and the signs are showing.

      • underbed cat says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 1:14 pm

        One last comment. This insurgency, takeover of our government that has nearly succeded hopefully will teach our leaders how to prevent it (if we get out of this mess) in the future we have to study the enemy, and remember to never let the diversity occur without examination and study. We have experts who knew and they were pushed out by the enemy who disguised themselves as peaceful and useful.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 4:04 pm

      We have learned the truth. Tens of millions haven’t.

  2. Linde Barrera says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm

    Copy of this article should be sent to President Obama, Director of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson, Hillary Clinton and Grover Norquist, asking their comments on same.

    • Don McKellar says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 12:48 pm

      Exactly.

      I would add that this should be reprinted as an editorial far and wide across the internet. And that it should appear in major publications and news sources as an “alternative viewpoint”.

      That’s what should happen.

    • john spielman says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      They would agree with Robert’s comments though they would not, and could not appreciate- it was all SARCASM.
      LIBERALISM, if left untreated by a healthy dose of reality reorientation, can cause serious long term brain damage

  3. Rezali Mehil says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    Salaam all,

    Mr Spencer has told us of all the lessons on Islam in14 years since 9/11…such progress. and If one was to summarise then:

    1) it is that Islam *IS* a religion of peace.
    2) That Kuffar is more obsessed with Islam than Muslims …I mean for us it is simply everyday living.
    3) That Kuffar cannot get enough of Islam …the Hijra under way at the moment into Europe shines the noor of Islam …like a billion candle torch shining, mesmerising an unshakable and strong light on the road, at the European borders where the kuffar police simply melt to the light and allow us in.
    4) Of course your own Muslim chief in charge also wants at least 10,000 Syrian families into America…once 10,000 are in ….watch another 50,000 to follow…Obama just loves us. He hid in the white house loo when the Calipah was 1st announced by Bagdadi …and since then he has helped whenever he could to fan the light to kuffar.

    So what of the future? Well I think immediately that a website like jihadwatch.org is superfluous… unneeded, why bother …who notices when you 65,000 Syrians come to America…Spencer can shout …but why?

    Spencer has decided he can write books and carve out his living …fair doos…he is an entrepreneur he has his niche …but the rest of you however…. more needs to be done by you.

    More Korans need to be printed, more grants for Mosques, more more more … and quickly.. to get the billion candle light to a trillion candle light …*all* kuffar …big, small, yellow, brown white…all see and utter one thing and one thing only….. “Islam is religion of peace”… and lo behold there will be peace as one religion in this duniya will exist. …peoples we are almost there..accelerate

    And in this time of enlightenment … I must remain humble ….so please simple praise Allah SWT.

    More Later …

    Rezali

    • Paul says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm

      So, as a Muhammadaness you’d agree with stuff such as the following then :

      Bukhari (6:301) – “[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women
      equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said,
      ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'”

      Bukhari (2:29) – Women comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants. This is
      important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad
      are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith,
      Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

      Being a brainwashed idiot, you’d agree with the lowly status accorded to
      you by Muhammadanism. I feel sorry for women who want to escape
      the cult of the pedophile prophet, but you deserve everything you get you
      silly Mahoundian!

      • Jay Boo says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 1:04 pm

        When examined under the light of day, the two faced moon religion’s hidden side is even uglier than the side we see, proving beyond all doubt that:

        Rezali is correct
        “Islam is religion of SLEAZE ”…

      • CogitoErgoSum says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        Islam is the religion of peace, eh? So why are so many Muslims risking their lives to get out of predominately Muslim countries to find safety and peace in predominantly Christian countries? Why are the wicked, greedy and hateful Christian Crusaders welcoming the Muslims instead of slaying them wherever they find them? Why are the kind and generous emulators of Muhammad who who were so blessed by Allah as to have been born in lands as wealthy and opulent as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, and Qatar not extending invitations to their homeless Muslim brethren to come and live in peace and prosperity with them? Hmmm ……. something is not adding up here.

        Wait a minute! it looks to me as if the truth about Islam is becoming more and more apparent. It’s really a religion of hypocrites and liars! Poor, pitiful, deluded, Rezali, you should join the people who have seen the Light of Truth and are fleeing the ugly desert of Islam for the beautiful green pastures of what once was called Christendom, a land which has become the envy of millions of Muslims and which was made that way through the efforts of a people whose forefathers fought Islam in order to remain Christian.

        Perhaps we should check again next year at this time and see if the fleeing Muslims have left war behind them in the Land of War and Submission …. or whether they have brought with them the end of peace and the beginnings of war. Yes, salaam to you, Rezali …. from the land of Peace and Freedom (for now).

    • miriamrove says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:06 pm

      Hi there! How are you doing? trolling again?! m

    • john spielman says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:13 pm

      Dear Rezali; you do understand that the Sunni islam and ISIS WILL EVENTUALLY DESTROY shia islam- as you are outnumbered 9 to 1
      better to turn to Jesus as Savior NOW, and spend eternity with Him, rather that be slaughtered here and spend eternity in Hell!
      ps; Muhammed foretold islam’s ultimate demise and in the end, would be driven back to a remote corner of the Saudi pennisula

      • Rezali Mehil says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:31 pm

        Salaam Mr Spielman

        You ask …”you do understand that the Sunni islam and ISIS WILL EVENTUALLY DESTROY shia islam- as you are outnumbered 9 to 1″

        Absolutely I understand…. but this is not really about shia/sunni …it is about Islam and it’s overall relevance to all humanity…you, me, …yes, even that toad Graven.

        It is about restructuring the modern day , it is about restructuring the modern night, it is about re-structuring the thinking of the “modern” woman and the child of the future.

        It is about women travelling safely from town and back, about re-introducing modesty in line with ancient customs that were respected one time ago.

        It is about re-enabling the importance of Friday (Juma) and building on from that to the education to be imparted to the child of the future and restructuring that child’s life from this point onwards.

        It is about kuffar knowing that despite muslims being labelled as stone age, savage barbarians, that their faith conquered all … that nothing and no one could stand that change of the world that an illiterate prophet SAW (so you say …but we don’t) put down 1400 years ago.

        John, does this magic not astound you…talented kuffar melt, tremble and forego their complex mathematical algorithms and bow to Allah SWT instead…e=mc2
        to be long forgotten.

        What is this John? …Well it is the never ending circle, Shia will exist because dead or alive we are the Abdullahs of Allah SWT too, his realm has space for all who believe …and we shia do.

        do you believe John?…you need to start and soon ….no rescue cavalry is coming …only the Hijrah…only the hijrah John.

        Do not weep for your past John, entangle into the web of Islam …like sugar mixed into water …so that every drop of your blood is dripping with the sweet nectar of belief in Allah SWT …

        it will keep you going and sustain you ..like it does me …please I need to remain humble at this time ….so do not thank me for rescuing you ….simply praise Allah SWT

        More Later …

        Rezalli

        • Celtic Sword says

          Sep 11, 2015 at 8:36 pm

          Let’s stop beating about the proverbial bush…Islam in essence is a murderous, totalitarian, supremacist, misogynistic ideology with a veneer of religion, founded by a mass murderer, mass rapist, slave owner and all round psychopath called Muhammad that all Muslims are exhorted to emulate. In other words Islam is pure evil.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 11, 2015 at 10:01 pm

          The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:

          Salaam Mr Spielman

          You ask …”you do understand that the Sunni islam and ISIS WILL EVENTUALLY DESTROY shia islam- as you are outnumbered 9 to 1″

          Absolutely I understand…. but this is not really about shia/sunni …it is about Islam and it’s overall relevance to all humanity…you, me, …yes, even that toad Graven.
          …………………………..

          In other words, even if Sunnis murder Rezali Mehil and her fellow Shia, it will be worth it, because Muslims will be oppressing, enslaving, and murdering Infidels.

          This is how the Muslim mind works–and it isn’t pretty.

          More:

          It is about restructuring the modern day , it is about restructuring the modern night, it is about re-structuring the thinking of the “modern” woman and the child of the future.

          It is about women travelling safely from town and back, about re-introducing modesty in line with ancient customs that were respected one time ago.
          …………………………..

          Grimly laughable, since pious Sunnis have sacralized the rape not just of Infidels and “apostates”, but also other-sect Muslims such as Rezali Mehil:

          “Accordingly, Sheikh Yasir al-‘Ajlawni says that Muslims fighting to topple “infidel” president Bashar Assad in Syria are permitted to “capture and have sex with” all non-Sunni women, including *Shia Muslims*, Alawites, Christians, Druze, and Yazidis” [emphasis mine–GI]

          http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/241722/islamic-state-rape-just-another-form-warfare-raymond-ibrahim

          More:

          It is about re-enabling the importance of Friday (Juma) and building on from that to the education to be imparted to the child of the future and restructuring that child’s life from this point onwards.
          …………………………..

          And what does that “education” consist of? Watching beheadings and crucifixions, playing with severed heads, and pretending to cut the throat of their teddy bears, For little girls, of course, it also involves the possibility of being raped from the age of nine in child “marriage”. And specially for Shias, it involves having their mothers take a knife to the heads of babies on Ashura.

          More:

          It is about kuffar knowing that despite muslims being labelled as stone age, savage barbarians, that their faith conquered all … that nothing and no one could stand that change of the world that an illiterate prophet SAW (so you say …but we don’t) put down 1400 years ago.
          …………………………..

          Just because a form of barbarism has lasted for almost 1400 years is nothing to celebrate. Most of the world has moved on from the Dark Ages centuries ago–not so Islam.

          Also, notice the absurdity–it is not “Islamophobes” who claim that the “Prophet” was illiterate, but pious Muslims themselves.More:

          More:

          John, does this magic not astound you…talented kuffar melt, tremble and forego their complex mathematical algorithms and bow to Allah SWT instead…e=mc2
          to be long forgotten.
          …………………………..

          You have to give it to supremacist Muslims–no pretending that Islam is actually pro-science. Of course, pious Muslims like Rezali Mehil fail to understand that Muslims denying science does not change the nature of the universe.

          More:

          What is this John? …Well it is the never ending circle, Shia will exist because dead or alive we are the Abdullahs of Allah SWT too, his realm has space for all who believe …and we shia do.
          …………………………..

          Interesting–when ISIS first began its rise, Rezali Mehil seesawed wildly between begging the Infidels to save her and her fellow Shia and gloating over our incipient destruction even if it meant her own.

          Now it looks as though the latter has won out–it seems that Muslims really do *love death*. No surprise here…

          More:

          you believe John?…you need to start and soon ….no rescue cavalry is coming …only the Hijrah…only the hijrah John.
          …………………………..

          Rezali Mehil also openly admits that the invasion of Europe by “refugees” is a Hijirah. The fact that big-hearted if clueless Infidels are trying to *help* Muslims in need means nothing to her–she wants to see our rape, enslavement, and mass-murder, and the destruction of our civilized societies.

          More:

          Do not weep for your past John, entangle into the web of Islam …like sugar mixed into water …so that every drop of your blood is dripping with the sweet nectar of belief in Allah SWT …

          it will keep you going and sustain you ..like it does me …please I need to remain humble at this time ….so do not thank me for rescuing you ….simply praise Allah SWT
          …………………………..

          Now she is waxing poetic over living off our blood–Islam, the religion of vampirism…*ugh*.

      • Paul says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 9:36 am

        John,
        You’re wasting your time trying to evangelise this idiot. I’m all
        in favour of trying to tell muslims about Jesus, but this clown
        knows how evil islam is and still loves it, basically because it
        is twisted. There’s nothing you can do about that.
        Just leave the stupid Mahoundian to worship its paedo ‘prophet’
        in hell and follow him there.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 4:09 pm

      We whupped you on malta in 1565, in Vienna in 1683, at Zenta in 1697, in the Six day War in 1967, the Yom Kippur War in 1973, and Israel will smack down Iran one day.

    • Mo says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 4:43 pm

      @ Rezali Mehil

      “Mr Spencer has told us of all the lessons on Islam in14 years since 9/11…such progress. and If one was to summarise then:
      1) it is that Islam *IS* a religion of peace.”

      Provide the evidence where Robert Spencer has taught that Islam is a religion of peace.

      • Rezali Mehil says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:03 pm

        Salaam Mo,

        You ask …Provide the evidence where Robert Spencer has taught that Islam is a religion of peace.

        1st line of this essay …Mr Spencer wrote and I quote ..,.”Almost immediately, we learned that Islam was a religion of peace”.

        there is no difficulty in this …why complain?

        More Later ….

        Rezali

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm

          The witless Rezali Mehil wrote:

          Salaam Mo,

          You ask …Provide the evidence where Robert Spencer has taught that Islam is a religion of peace.

          1st line of this essay …Mr Spencer wrote and I quote ..,.”Almost immediately, we learned that Islam was a religion of peace”.

          there is no difficulty in this …why complain?
          …………………………

          Not even a pious Muslimah can genuinely be so irony-challenged…

        • Mo says

          Sep 11, 2015 at 10:05 pm

          @ Rezali Mehil

          “You ask …Provide the evidence where Robert Spencer has taught that Islam is a religion of peace.

          1st line of this essay …Mr Spencer wrote and I quote ..,.”Almost immediately, we learned that Islam was a religion of peace”. ”

          I will chalk this up to perhaps English not being your first language. Unless you can’t understand English well, you would know he’s being sarcastic.

          “there is no difficulty in this …why complain?”

          Complain about what? What are you even saying?

          Know that I loathe your death cult and will NEVER submit to it. Do you hear me?

      • Paul says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 9:51 am

        Mo,
        Notice the way idiots like Rezali Mehil have to throw in
        Arabic words when addressing people? That’s because
        ‘almighty allah’ only understands Arabic, unlike the
        Christian God. Doesn’t sound very ‘almighty’ to me.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:03 pm

      The vile Rezali Mehil wrote:

      Salaam all,

      Mr Spencer has told us of all the lessons on Islam in14 years since 9/11…such progress. and If one was to summarise then:

      1) it is that Islam *IS* a religion of peace.
      ………………………………

      When has Robert Spencer ever said that Islam is a “religion of peace”? what a bald-faced lie.

      More:

      2) That Kuffar is more obsessed with Islam than Muslims …I mean for us it is simply everyday living.
      ………………………………

      Unfortunately, that “everyday living” involves oppressing, enslaving, and murdering Infidels such as ourselves. Pious Muslims such as Rezali Mehil does not believe we have any right to defend ourselves against her violent coreligionists.

      More:

      3) That Kuffar cannot get enough of Islam …the Hijra under way at the moment into Europe shines the noor of Islam …like a billion candle torch shining, mesmerising an unshakable and strong light on the road, at the European borders where the kuffar police simply melt to the light and allow us in.
      ………………………………

      What crap. Infidels as a rule fall into two categories on this–those who recognize that this invasion is a Hijira, and those who naively believe that these Muslims are just needy refugees.

      Not even the clueless see these invaders as some sort of “light”–they just mistake them for needy people whom they want to help.

      Of course, these Muslim invaders believe that such help is not to be appreciated, but only their due as supremacist Muslims. They hold such help to be a form of Jizya from the ‘filthy Infidels’.

      More:

      4) Of course your own Muslim chief in charge also wants at least 10,000 Syrian families into America…once 10,000 are in ….watch another 50,000 to follow…Obama just loves us. He hid in the white house loo when the Calipah was 1st announced by Bagdadi …and since then he has helped whenever he could to fan the light to kuffar.
      ………………………………

      But most Americans will accept this for the same reason that so many Europeans will–because they think these are just refugees in need of aid, rather than a violent trojan horse.

      More:

      So what of the future? Well I think immediately that a website like jihadwatch.org is superfluous… unneeded, why bother …who notices when you 65,000 Syrians come to America…Spencer can shout …but why?
      ………………………………

      In other words, Give Up. Resistance is Futile. Surrender, Dorothy.

      In your dreams, Mohammedan.

      More:

      Spencer has decided he can write books and carve out his living …fair doos…he is an entrepreneur he has his niche …but the rest of you however…. more needs to be done by you.

      More Korans need to be printed, more grants for Mosques, more more more … and quickly.. to get the billion candle light to a trillion candle light …*all* kuffar …big, small, yellow, brown white…all see and utter one thing and one thing only….. “Islam is religion of peace”… and lo behold there will be peace as one religion in this duniya will exist. …peoples we are almost there..accelerate
      ………………………………

      Good God, what crap. There isn’t even peace for Rezali’s fellow Shia, as supremacist Sunnis are mass-murdering them, as well. But no matter–this Muslimah wants to see the triumph of Islam at any cost.

      More:

      And in this time of enlightenment … I must remain humble ….so please simple praise Allah SWT.
      ………………………………

      As is usual, Mohammedans believe that Kuffar should praise the demon god that inspires Muslims to murder them.

      Nice try…

    • Westman says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:18 pm

      Allahu Nakba, Rezali.

      We know you’re just a Troll, but more fun than the A-Trolls of Iran.

      Thanks to Robert Spencer, Mark Styne, Pamella Geller, Sam Harris, Salman Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Raymond Ibrahim, and hundreds, et all, we are well educated in the non-CAIR-publicized doctrines of Islam.

      We will have a very large impact on Muslim Hijrat because we are where Jihad Watch has little influence in a sea of ignorance about Islam. Our voices will be heard because we are of the community of which Islam is not.

      Also, about those Qurans. You do know that Arabic is a dead language, incapable of the consistency and preciseness needed for modern science and economics? You have noticed that Islamic countries without unearned wealth(oil) are disorganized and corrupt? Why would things be better if the world was one big corrupt mess with a bida-deficient language? You’re a real comic, Rezali.

    • Sam Hawkins says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:50 pm

      Dear Rezali,

      You are my favorite commenter on Jihad Watch, and I mean this sincerely.

      Unlike the drive-by Muslims who hammer out some ghastly, barely literate vituperations through their keyboards, you are: urbane, eloquent… and with a wicked sense of humor 🙂

      Of course, you are also my fierce enemy and would not think twice before snuffing out my life if given the chance (after first inviting me to Islam, of course).

      Thanks to the marvel of the Internet, we can share this extracorporeal space for a moment here or there and tell each other what we honestly think.

      Please keep posting, you keep me on my toes and provide an invaluable service.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:20 pm

        Sam, Rezali Mehil is only as (comparatively) readable as she is because she received an education from the ‘filthy Infidels’ of Britain.

        Of course, the civilized Britons could do nothing about her horrifying Muslim “values”.

        • Rezali Mehil says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 2:07 am

          Salaam Graven,

          Have you not got to go and get ready for Cairo to get the Mother-in-law mummified?
          With so many arrangements to make, how do you have time for JW?

          More Later …

          Rezali

        • Joseph says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 2:37 am

          Rezali,
          I can really understand your bad attitude with all that sand and dirt up your twat. It must be rough to have to live like that all the time.

      • Rezali Mehil says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 5:27 am

        Salaam Mr Sam,

        Thank you for your kind words, Islam stands proud on it’s own …it does not need bitter words , there is little need to be my enemy…just follow my lead and we can be bestest of friends.

        If you decide not to follow my lead fair doos, but we still need talented and understanding kuffar who are able to help and serve those Muslims still finding their feet.

        In this time of transition from all religions to Islam…we will need essential services to keep running …and that is where we could do with people like you.

        Thank you for offering and no doubt we will be touching base again.

        More Later ….

        Rezali

        • Joseph says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm

          Rezali, I will NEVER bow to the likes of you or Islam. I am a Christian and I WILL die a Christian.
          ___________________________________
          there is little need to be my enemy…just follow my lead and we can be bestest of friends.

          Best of friends???…you mean your slave. Little need to be my enemy???….Islam set the terms of our interaction and yes you are my enemy.
          ______________________________________________
          The only way we can be friends is if you accept JESUS CHRIST into your heart and confess to him that you are a sinner and need his help.
          I will be praying for you that this happens for your immortal soul depends upon it.

    • mortimer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 6:26 pm

      Rezali,
      We are learning the depth of delusion and depravity in your death cult from glaze-eyed, non-intellectual zombies like you.

      Islam’s problems cannot be reconciled with modernity. They are:

      1 No Golden Rule 2 No free speech 3 No democracy 4 Jihad – holy war of supremacism 5 Honour killings 6 Taqiyya – sacred lying 7 Taqlid – group think 8 Misogyny – repression of women 9 Rape of kafirs as jihad prizes 10 Genocide 11 Ethnic cleansing 12 Al-Walaa wal-Baraa – Islamic apartheid 13 Torture 14 Plundering 15 Cruel and unusual punishments 16 Backwardness – stagnation 17 Violence against women 18 Slavery 19 Discriminatory Sharia law 20 Hatred of the arts 21 Pedophilia disguised as child marriage 22 Fifty generations of cousin marriage and genetic defects 23 Cruelty to animals 24 Extortion tax to humiliate disbelievers 25 No historic basis 26 Anti-intellectual obscurantism 27 FGM 28 Arab racism 29 Theocratic totalitarianism 30 Vigilantism

      • Raja says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 12:37 am

        Moritimer,

        Your detailed reply is well worth it. My opinion of Islam is: It is stage managed by God-haters and cheered by idiots and immature people. They use devil’s methods instead of
        God’s standards !!!!! Isa’s prophesy on the day of judgement: I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:23

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 12:40 am

          Actually, Raja, the Muslim “Isa” has nothing to do with the gentle savior of the Gospel. The role of “Isa” in the last days is to kill Christians.

        • Joseph says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 4:26 pm

          Graven, Well said!!! It is a slippery slope when we start mixing the fabled characters and names of the supposed people in the Koran with the real people of the Bible.
          The names and a few facts might be the same but in reality they are NOT! !

          I also find it quite humorous that you are able to get soooooooo deep under Rezali Mehil’s skin. Keep up the good work please, she deserves every uncomfortable minute of it.

        • Raja says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 5:15 am

          Thank you Graven and Joseph for reminding me that the Isa used in Koran is for the belittling Jesus of the Bible. This is how Islam weans away as MANY as possible FOR SLAUGHTER both on this earth and for eternity…

    • cs says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 6:41 pm

      Rezalli, Allah is fake and your prophet is a pedo.

  4. voegelinian says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    What have we learned in 14 years after 911? One thing we’ve learned is that by and large, even the Counter-Jihad is afraid to say that Islam is ISIS, and all Muslims enable Islam.

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 12:57 pm

      We have also learned that voeg prefers to whiz-off about the Counter-Jihad on a daily basis over criticizing jihadis and will pretend that he is the official one-stop source of all anti-jihad with his (all Muzzies the same, brown people, mountain of data — meme)

      voeg
      How long are going to milk that old dried up cow?

    • Angemon says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:56 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “What have we learned in 14 years after 911? One thing we’ve learned is that by and large, even the Counter-Jihad is afraid to say that Islam is ISIS, and all Muslims enable Islam.”

      I’m quite certain that no one in 2001 knew what ISIS was. Or 2002. Or 2003. Or… well, you probably see where I’m going. You’re wrong when you say “islam is ISIS – it’s the other way around. Islam was not created after what ISIS is doing, but the other way around – ISIS is doing what ISIS is doing (the stonings, rapes, taking of slaves, etc.) because islam teaches it’s ok to stone adulterers, take slaves, and rape them.

      As for “even the Counter-Jihad is afraid to say that Islam is ISIS“, that’s utter nonsense, considering how counter-jihadis have spoken on that subject on radio, TV and web-based media, given lectures who can be found online, and published, not only many articles, but also whole books dedicated to explain why and how ISIS is islamic (the most recent one being, AFAIK, Robert Spencer’s “The Complete Infidel’s Guide to ISIS“, available in Amazon and in any self-respecting bookstore 😛 ). It also begs the question: are you afraid to say that islam is ISIS or are you not counting yourself among the Counter-Jihad movement?

      • Godless says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 12:55 am

        Angemon did not respond to it being pointed out that the counter-Jihad is still afraid to say that all Muslims enable Islam.

        Yes ISIS is Islamic but is it not also the case that Islam in it’s fullest form when nothing is impeding it is ISIS?

        • Angemon says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 12:39 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Angemon did not respond to it being pointed out that the counter-Jihad is still afraid to say that all Muslims enable Islam.”

          And you did not respond to what I actually responded to. Going out of your way to say “Angemon did not reply to this one part” (you’re even adopting voeg’s speech patterns, but I guess that’s to be expected from his mouthpiece) is just classic misdirection.

          “Yes ISIS is Islamic but is it not also the case that Islam in it’s fullest form when nothing is impeding it is ISIS?”

          Trying to reword what I said won’t change it or give it any other meaning – ISIS does what ISIS does – the beheadings, stonings, taking and raping slaves, etc. – because it’s ordained by islamic orthodoxy.

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 4:05 pm

          That’s why long ago I stopped responding to Angemon’s retorts & rispostes — they are riddled with straw men, cherry picking and red herrings, often jampacked in a lengthy detailed Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder context that was taking me too much time to unpack just to get to his misunderstandings & mischaracterizations of my position (and of his own fucking position, whatever the fuck that is) — not to mention of the main problems we are supposed to be dealing with here as a community of the problem.

          So it is with dreary familiarity that I see that of course — naturally! — Angemon ignores a crucial component of my very short and simple comment – the Dreaded “All” Word (dreaded by all PC MCs, as well as by asymptotics like, among too many others, Angemon and his Anger Management Sidekick PJ — not to mention all the other stalwart Jihad Watchers who time and time again, to the tune of at least several hundred comments over the years by now, have ignored these attacks on my position by Angemon and his Sidekick in the name of defending Softness).

          Not to mention that Angemon botched the other crucial half of my very brief and simple comment (it’s amazing how much he can muck & fuck up with his Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder): namely, the not only ought we the Counter-Jihad, after these 14 tragicomic years since 911, say that “ISIS is Islam” – but also that “Islam is ISIS” and only seems not to be for expedient purposes when Muslims see the need to lie to us about themselves and about their Islam. Isn’t there anyone else in this vast forum who thirsts and hungers for this more robust language than the complex denial & prevarication dressed up in No-Nonsense Counter-Jihad Analysis we too often get from our illustrious analysts and their toadies?

          The robust language of the great Orthodox nun, Sister Hatune Dogan, who as even reported here at Jihad Watch, boldly went where no Counter-Jihad Analyst goes:

          “ISIS is Islam; Islam is ISIS,” whoever denies this is “a liar”

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/nun-isis-is-islam-islam-is-isis-whoever-denies-this-is-a-liar

          Notice Sister Dogan is not content to just say “ISIS is Islam” – but feels the need to go one step further. One small step for a humble nun; a giant leap, a Bridge Too Far, apparently, for all the Jihad Watch Softies.

          Further Reading:

          The Dreaded “A” Word

          http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-dreaded-word.html

        • Angemon says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 10:22 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “That’s why long ago I stopped responding to Angemon’s retorts & rispostes”

          Except that you never did, even though you claimed, on more than one occasion IIRC, that you would do so. Are you having difficulties remembering what you write? It’s usually something like this: “ blah blah Angemon blah blah asymptotic blah blah attacking me blah blah strawman blah blah red herring blah blah obsessive compulsive disorder blah blah sophistry blah blah rabbit trails blah blah why aren’t other regulars defending me?“.

          So you started with a blatant lie. Can’t wait to see what else is in store – although I’d wage my last dollar that it’s not a reply to any point I made, for example, regarding your “total deportation” “solution”.

          “— they are riddled with straw men, cherry picking and red herrings”

          Or so you claim, but, by you own admission, you don’t offer any explanation to back your assertion. It’s so because you say so, apparently.

          “often jampacked in a lengthy detailed Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder context”

          And here its, the accusation of mental health issues – because why else would anyone question anything you say?

          “that was taking me too much time to unpack just to get to his misunderstandings & mischaracterizations of my position”

          Translation “it’s much simpler to make long winded posts where I go into great detail to depict Angemon as being mentally ill than replying to his points, and I’ll add in extra fluff just because I can”.

          Do you really expect anyone to believe that replying to any point I make would take up more of your time than the long winded, invective filled rants you every so often throw at me?

          Also, “misunderstandings & mischaracterizations” of your position(s)? Really? Even though I back what I say with direct quotes from you, complete with links to the original posts, if necessary, so anyone can judge for themselves whether I’m mischaracterizing you or not?

          “(and of his own fucking position, whatever the fuck that is)”

          Here’s a tip: if you don’t know, you ask for clarification. You don’t start ranting about rabbits, herrings, and whatever other edible aimals you rant about.

          “— not to mention of the main problems we are supposed to be dealing with here as a community of the problem.”

          One of the problems any community faces is weeding out turncoats and wolves hiding in sheep’s clothing – like members who are constantly trying to deride and belittle either forefront figures of the CJ movement or regular posters.

          “So it is with dreary familiarity that I see that of course — naturally! — Angemon ignores a crucial component of my very short and simple comment – the Dreaded “All” Word”

          *gasp*

          You mean that you like to make general sweeping assumptions for which you provide no evidence for (presumably because you can’t), despite berating others for making general sweeping assumptions for which they provide no evidence for (presumably because they can’t)?

          I’m shocked! Shocked!!!

          “(dreaded by all PC MCs”

          If you say so. An you wouldn’t lie to us, would you? I mean, besides all those times when you did.

          “as well as by asymptotics like, among too many others, Angemon”

          Awww, asymptotic? But just recently you called me an “assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watcher”!

          “and his Anger Management Sidekick PJ”

          PJ and I don’t communicate outside JW (as opposed to you, who badgered people via email and demanded them to come to JW and speak against both myself and PJ because we dared to criticize you). You have sidekicks, or lackeys, what whatever you consider them to be. I don’t, and I suspect neither does PJ.

          “— not to mention all the other stalwart Jihad Watchers who time and time again, to the tune of at least several hundred comments over the years by now, have ignored these attacks on my position by Angemon and his Sidekick”

          Huh, voeg, you choose not to reply to criticism. Why are others required to speak for you on questions regarding what you say, as if they were mind-readers? As for the “years” bit, I’ve been asking you this since January/February: we only started interacting around July/August 2014. That was 5 or 6 months before you started claiming I had attacking you for years (in your Orwellian doublespeak, “attacking” means “criticizing”). I’ve been asking you now for the best part of the year to show a post dating back to before that to prove I’ve been criticizing you for years. It’s been more than half a year and you have nothing to show. Either you’re chronologically challenged or you’re a liar.

          “in the name of defending Softness”

          I could ask you to link to a post where I claim that we should be “soft”, like I’ve asked in the past, and for which you have nothing to show – you can’t, because I never said such a thing. Instead, I’ll just point to what you said before:

          “(and of his own fucking position, whatever the fuck that is)”

          First you claim you don’t know what my position is, and now you’re saying I’m defending “Softness”? Gee, it’s almost like you’re making it up as you go along…

          “Not to mention that Angemon botched the other crucial half of my very brief and simple comment”

          Or so you say. And you wouldn’t lie to us, would you?

          “(it’s amazing how much he can muck & fuck up with his Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder)”

          Voeg, I know you claim to be a doctor, but are you really claiming you can identify mental issues over the Internet?

          “ namely, the not only ought we the Counter-Jihad”

          Why are you including yourself in the CJ movement? Most of your time here is spent deriding people like Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Jamie Glazo, etc., or JW regulars. When islamic trolls swoop in, usually after a high profile islamic terror attack, you make yourself scarce.

          “after these 14 tragicomic years since 911, say that “ISIS is Islam” – but also that “Islam is ISIS””

          Now this is a riot. Let’s take a look at your post:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/what-we-have-learned-since-911/comment-page-1#comment-1292261

          What have we learned in 14 years after 911? One thing we’ve learned is that by and large, even the Counter-Jihad is afraid to say that Islam is ISIS, and all Muslims enable Islam.

          Do you see yourself saying that ISIS is islam there? You probably do, because it suits your narrative, but you didn’t say it. The part I allegedly botched is the part which you did not say and which I specifically called you out on.

          “and only seems not to be for expedient purposes when Muslims see the need to lie to us about themselves and about their Islam.”

          Except that your little theory excludes, by definition, the existence of apostates from islam, so it’s clear you didn’t think all the way through – if “All” muslims are ISIS and lying and pretending not to be because it suits them while they wait for the right moment to stab our necks, there would be zero apostates. Things looks even worse for your new pet theory when we look at individual stories. Take, for example, Mona Walters, who stated that she only learned of what’s commonly referred to as “radical” or “extremist” islam after she moved to Sweden, despite being raised as muslim in Somalia. How does that work? Was she a Somali version of the “White Widow” while growing up in Somalia, having a devotion to islam that, as Raymond Ibrahim explained on a recent article, secular Westerners can’t understand, and lied about it? If so, why did she apostatize? Is she saying that she only learned about the islamic imperative to wage war against non-muslims after moving to Sweden just to make you look bad? No, wait, let me guess: strawmen, cherry-picking, red herrings, rabbit trails, sophistry – you made a general, sweeping assumption for which you can provide no evidence for, and any facts contradicting it will be met with the usual sneer and snide remarks.

          “Isn’t there anyone else in this vast forum who thirsts and hungers for this more robust language than the complex denial & prevarication dressed up in No-Nonsense Counter-Jihad Analysis we too often get from our illustrious analysts and their toadies?”

          Now you’re not even pretending – you’re claiming that analysts like Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald, Ralph Sidway, etc., are compromised and setting yourself up as a viable alternative.

          And it’s funny that you call anyone “their toadies” after the dozens of posts where you demand others to come in and act as your echo, even going as far as to contact people via email. Something about removing the plank out of your own eye before trying to remove the speck from anyone else’s eyes?

          “The robust language of the great Orthodox nun, Sister Hatune Dogan, who as even reported here at Jihad Watch, boldly went where no Counter-Jihad Analyst goes:”

          “Even reported here at Jihad Watch”? What’s that supposed to mean? If you don’t like the work Robert, Hugh, Raymond, and the rest of the JW team has been doing for over a decade – and I’m not just talking about JW, I’m also counting, for example, everything the AFDI has done in defense of freedom of speech – you’re free to leave. If you come here just to piss on them and say that they’re in the wrong and only you’re in the right, you’ll get no traction. And you should know that by now because, after being here for around a decade deriding JW analysts and regulars alike, you’re still trying making desperate calls and trying to get traction.

          Some people just can’t take a clue…

          “Notice Sister Dogan is not content to just say “ISIS is Islam” – but feels the need to go one step further. One small step for a humble nun; a giant leap, a Bridge Too Far, apparently, for all the Jihad Watch Softies.”

          You know that appeal to authority is a logical fallacy, right?

        • voegelinian says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 3:21 am

          yeah, Angemon is Kinana of Khaybar

        • Angemon says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 7:31 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “yeah, Angemon is Kinana of Khaybar”

          Don’t know who that is but talk is cheap, voeg, so you better start backing that claim.

          You know what? I’ll propose you a deal: you contact a JW administrator and ask them to compare my IP records with Kinana of Khaybar’s and say whether I’m that person or not. If they don’t match up and if we’re not even in the same general vicinity – let’s say, the same country, shall we? – you apologize and never show your face around here again. Otherwise, I stop posting.

          What’s it going to be, voeg? Are you man enough to put your presence here where your mouth is? Or is your “bravery” limited to slinging mud and running away?

          Oh, wait, I think we all know the answer to that question, seeing how you tried to cast suspicion on JW’s analysts and tried to slander me for confronting you about it.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 7:35 am

          Just a clarification: when I say “contact a JW administrator and ask them to compare my IP records with Kinana of Khaybar’s and say whether I’m that person or not” I mean that the JW administrator would post here, on this topic.

        • Incek Mahallesi says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 8:26 am

          Dr. Voegy:

          “yeah, Angemon is Kinana of Khaybar.”
          ______________________________

          Sure, buddy – whatever you say.

          And I’m Ludwig Van Beethoven.
          _________________________

          I think Dr. Voegy needs to get back on those meds he prescribed for himself.
          ____________________________________________________________

          *note to Angemon: KofK was an excellent, highly esteemed poster of years past who often called Dr. Voegy out on his nonsense. She bailed here long ago, it seems…I wouldn’t be at all surprised that she decided to go elsewhere and post, simply because she got sick and tired of Voegy’s nonsense.

          Of course, I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen a post of hers in years.

        • Angemon says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 11:06 am

          Incek Mahallesi posted:

          “*note to Angemon: KofK was an excellent, highly esteemed poster of years past who often called Dr. Voegy out on his nonsense. She bailed here long ago, it seems…I wouldn’t be at all surprised that she decided to go elsewhere and post, simply because she got sick and tired of Voegy’s nonsense.

          Of course, I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen a post of hers in years.”

          Ah, that makes sense. I’ll take the comparison as a badge of honor then 🙂

          I suspect the self-professed doctor won’t reply to my challenge, even when the prize is what he’s been salivating over for months now – getting me to stop posting here.

        • Incek Mahallesi says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 8:36 am

          Dr. Voegy:

          “That’s why long ago I stopped responding to Angemon’s retorts & rispostes (sic).”
          ____________________________________________________________

          Uh…no. Anyone with half a brain can see that that is exactly what you have done IN THIS THREAD – respond to his comments.

          You’re going off the rails, buddy – to the extent that you seem to believe that nobody will notice your little sockpuppet, “Godless”.

          Get help. Seriously. You’ve become absolutely delusional. You’re beginning to resemble that purse Chihuahua that you keep.

          p.s. Say howdy to your “sidekick”, Mazo. He seems to have a thing for you, lately.

  5. Raja says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:42 pm

    “Stay quiet and you’ll be okay.” is the syndrome that is working well in US and the rest of West and it doesn’t matter even if we all get killed in this manner.

    I didn’t know that the West was filled with such NICE people !!!

    • Indian says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 6:59 am

      It’s also the taqiyya played by Muslims when they were going to kill us.

  6. Jay Boo says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:46 pm

    When examined under the light of day, the two faced moon religion’s hidden side is even uglier than the side we see, proving beyond all doubt that:
    “Islam is religion of SLEAZE ”…

    • Jay Boo says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 1:05 pm

      Comment reposted above
      It was meant for Rezali

  7. abad says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    What we have learned since 9/11?

    Absolutely Nothing.

    • SpiritOf1683 says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 4:11 pm

      Its not what we’ve learned that is so troubling, its what we’ve forgotten. The West has succumbed more to political correctness in the 14 years since then than in the 14 years before.

  8. William says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 12:59 pm

    What have we learned since 9/11?

    When that question is posed to individuals, the answers show that we live in parallel worlds. Those answers, as highlighted by Mr. Spencer, expose those who believe in fairy tales. They represent one universe. Then there are the realists, that is, people grounded in reality.

    So in answer to the question of what have I learned since 9/11, I would answer it by saying that I have learned this world is composed of people engaging the real world, and then there are those refusing to engage reality and instead envision themselves existing in a make-believe world. It is the world of the empiricists and the idealists.

    If the idealists will have their way, they bring grief to all.

  9. Walter Sieruk says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    With this fourteenth anniversary of the vicious Al Qaeda/jihad attack and affront on both humankind and America. it’s a very good question “What have we learned since September 11, 2001.?” Well one thing we had learned since that day and should not ever forget is that we ,as Americans, need to keep on having both Fortitude and Vigilance. For the Islamic enemy is still scheming for a future jihad attack. This may be put in another way, Which in in the wisdom of the words of Thomas Jefferson. For Mr. Jefferson had stated “Fortitude …teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them.” and “Let the eye of vigilance never be closed.” .

  10. Walter Sieruk says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:33 pm

    One thing we should have learned since September 11,2001 is that the malicious and murderous jihad entity Al Qaeda has its foundation on the “holy book” of Islam, the Koran. For the Koran does indeed teach.violence and killing. As seen in ,for example 9;5,111. 47:4. So that heinous and malice-filled Al Qaeda /jihad murderous affront on 9/11 was inspired by the instruction of the Koran. The Koran, of course, is the foundation of and for Islam. All this evil had started with the founder and false prophet of Islam, Muhammad. To this type of character, as Muhammad, the Wisdom of the teaching and and warning of Jesus may well apply. For Jesus taught “Beware of false prophet ,which come to you in sheep’s clothing,but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” Matthew 7:15. [K.J.V.]

  11. Walter Sieruk says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    The Koran teaches in 47:4.” “Whenever you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads until you make a great slaughter among them…” Lets face it . The jihadists of Al Qaeda using jet planes as missiles,as they did on September 11,2001 can sure make a great “slaughter among them” then a sword can. Nevertheless the apologists for Islam still have the gull, in spite of all the facts of reality, to make the outlandish and false claim the Islam is a “peaceful religion.” What denial .what disinformation, what a falsehood of a claim.

  12. infidel says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    I hope next president will appoint Robert Spencer as National Security Adviser, because Islam is the problem of this time, only a person like Spencer should defend our country.

    • abad says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:09 pm

      I second that!

      No more politically correct “afraid to offend Ishnaqs” b**********. that we now have.

      Oh and shut down CAIR.

  13. awake says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    Sad, but true.

  14. Dave J says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Here, drink this milk, it is only 1% cyanide.

    Welcome immigrants from the religion of Submission and the Sword.

    You can’t say we were not warned.

  15. wildjew says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    Robert, you wrote: “We have learned that free speech is not hate speech….”

    Am I reading this correctly or did you mean to write, “We have learned that free speech is hate speech…..?

    • Robert Spencer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 2:42 pm

      Yes, I corrected a typo there and ended up only making matters worse. It is fixed now.

  16. Adrian says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    We learnt that 9/11 was a conspiracy theory formulated by US government to attack Islam.

    We learnt that Moslems are the victim of the terrorist attack.

    • miriamrove says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 2:17 pm

      We learnt that Moslems are the victim of the terrorist attack.

      Muslims are the victims because of their religion. m

  17. Mirren10 says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    A brilliant analysis, Mr Spencer. Thank you.

    I have taken the liberty of copying and pasting it into emails to camoron, and may. I will follow this up with a proper letter.

    Whoever handles their emails, and post, must be sick to death of me by now. Water on stone, and all that…. 🙂

  18. Always On Watch says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    An accurate assessment of the dhimmitude into which the West has voluntarily sunk.

    I weep for the West. It was wonderful while it lasted.

    Now the New Dark Age has just begun.

    The worst is yet to come.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:05 pm

      Don’t give up, Always on Watch. We haven’t been beaten yet.

  19. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    What we have learned since 9/11 is not simple. On a national TV address after 9/11 Prez Dubya declared that “Islam is a religion of peace.” But think: he’s a Yale Man, Skill & Crossbones even, and also a Harvard Man. This means he has a real big brain filled with massive amounts of knowledge. When Dubya uttered these words, I saw the trademark smirk on his lips. He was thinking, “Nobody could possibly be stupid enough to believe this bullshit. It would take only 5 minutes to look up the truth. I’m saying these words to protect the American people from themselves.”

    But then, along came Prez Barack Hussein. Now, he’s not really an American so he didn’t need to be protected from himself as a regular American. He is a Columbia Man and plus a Harvard Man, too. Another massive brain pan crammed with a mountain of information. But for some reason, Barack Hussein *is* stupid enough to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. Maybe he doesn’t have a spare five minutes to look up the obvious truth.

    Not only does Hussein believe it, so does everybody in the two parties and everybody on the TV set.

    I have received secret transmissions in my basement office that ex-Prez Dubya is deeply disturbed that the nation was stupid enough to belief his feint.

    What have we learned in these 14 years? That we are in deep and serious trouble, and at this point there may be know way out.

  20. Kenny says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    On this day, let’s just remember the victims.

    May God rest their souls!

  21. Wellington says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    What have we learned? Well, as usual, the “we” must be dissected. Many have learned a lot. Many haven’t. Rather like human existence over the centuries and millennia in general.

    Some learn. Some don’t. Mankind advances. Mankind retreats. A la Dickens, it’s the best of times and the worst of times. It has always been this way and always will be. In short, it’s a mixed bag. But thank God there are people out there like Robert Spencer who have done their best to insure it’s “at least” a mixed bag.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 2:03 am

      So true, Wellington.

  22. gravenimage says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    What we have learned since 9/11
    ………………………

    Fourteen years of Da’wa, whitewash, and smearing of the opponents of Jihad.

    But thanks to sites like Jihad Watch, the truth about Islam is coming out anyway. In the comments sections of more and more articles spewing apologia for islam, you find ordinary people becoming increasingly savvy.

    We aren’t there yet–there is still a great deal of willful ignorance–but I believe this is slowly changing.

    Here is my tribute to 9/11–“Always Remember, Never Submit”:

    http://s478.photobucket.com/user/gravenimageartist/media/AlwaysRemember.jpg.html

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:39 pm

      Yeah, I haven’t heard any of the 17 Republican candidates take this occasion to step in front of a camera and tell the truth about what caused 9/11, what was behind it.

      But there have been small victories. The plan to point the arrow on the 9/11 Memorial in Shanksville to Mecca was stopped. Also, the move to put the Victory Mosque next to the site of the former Twin Towers was stopped… with no help from NYC’s dumbass billionaire mayor at the time.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:58 pm

      Hey Graven, some suggestions for your Heroes Against Jihad series:

      Mark Steyn
      Oriana Fallaci
      Rep. Tom Tancredo
      Rep. Sue Myrick
      Dr. Andrew Bostom, M.D.

      These are heroes on a smaller scale, those at the periphery of the outward push into the general culture for which we all wish and hope.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm

        Thanks for the suggestions, AFP–all excellent choices.

        I’m way behind on my series. But I did do a Heroes Against JIhad piece for Stéphane Charbonnier–Charb, editor of Charlie Hebdo–for the Muhammad Cartoon Show in Garland. I need to post it to my Photobucket page.

  23. KrazyKafir says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    Time to write a book on, the guide to the dhimmi stooge.

  24. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    Good
    To build something requires good will from people and the investment of a large volume of time. For example, building the twin towers took millions of hours of good will from tens of thousands of people working for over a decade from financing to design to construction to final finish work.

    Bad
    To destroy something requires bad will from people and only the investment of a small volume of time. For example, knocking down the twin towers took maybe a few thousand hours of bad will from dozens of people working over a year or so from financing to planning to arming to final destruction work.

    Conclusion
    Evil has every advantage over good. This is why we believe in God, to overcome the odds.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:24 pm

      Excellent post, APF.

      As Winston Churchill said, “to build may be the slow and laborious task of years; to destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day”.

      And if this is true of thoughtlessness–and it is–how much more is it the case with an ideology like Islam that is dedicated to destruction?

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 12:37 am

      And yet evil is impotent, because it’s anti-life, anti-reason, anti-liberty – it can’t build, it can’t sustain itself. It depends on the constructive habits of the good to be able to get by.

      The good includes good will, as APF said. And evil depends on that feature of the good to be able to worm its way among good people and to suck off their productivity and humanity. People of good will tend to give others the benefit of the doubt, so it takes a while and a lot of evidence for them to let suspicion take hold. That’s the weak point in the good.

      Evil does have the kind of advantage that APF described – the advantage that *construction* requires lots of time and knowledge and ongoing effort, while destruction can be the result of a mere moment of thoughtlessness or the brief time it takes to light a fire, ram a vehicle into a crowd, or throw a grenade. But evil’s DISadvantage is that it *does* depend on the good for its survival. It isn’t self-sustaining. Once good people finally realize who or what the enemy is and stop propping it up, evil turns out to be very weak.

      A philosophy that sustains thriving human life and happiness is one that requires dedication to grasping the facts of reality – the whole truth and nothing but the truth. To work out or to understand such a philosophy requires the mental effort of reason, of continual questioning and testing, checking premises, making corrections, discussing and arguing. It requires work..

      To believe a doctrine of submission, you only have to abandon your intelligence to dogma and obey. It’s not conducive to thriving, creative, happy life on earth, but it works well to create poverty, tyranny, and less zest for living. It’s not surprising when practitioners of such a doctrine are happy to commit suicide in order to kill the happy, prosperous people who reject the doctrine.

      Today a destructive, mind-numbing dogma has taken hold in the West – one that has tried to erase rational discrimination between destructive and constructive doctrines and the practices each gives rise to. The result of holding destructive, irrational doctrines to be no worse than constructive, rational ones can only result in the undermining of the constructive and the rational. When you treat the good and the evil as equivalent, only the evil can win.

      In order for the good to win, people have to recognize it as the good and the evil as the evil and name it, shun it, stop treating it like an equal and a friend.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 12:45 am

        *Very* true, Buffster–I wasn’t meaning to imply that nihilism of any stripe is genuinely powerful. Thank you for your corrective post.

        Ultimately, Islam has to parasite itself to Infidel innovation, productivity, and hard work–without Kuffars, it sinks into the kind of stagnant hell holes we find in Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen.

        The truth is that our civilized societies are superior to Islam *in every way*–we just need the will and confidence to recognize this.

      • Westman says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 1:07 am

        Hear, hear, Buffster.

  25. mortimer says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    Message of Muslims to America: “Stay quiet and you’ll be okay.”

    Islamic wording? “Aslim, taslam.” (submit to us and you will be safe…words of Mohammed and his thuggish followers)

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 5:51 pm

      What you’re comparing is Peace versus Piece.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:37 pm

      All true, Mortimer.

      This refers to the letters that the “Prophet” supposedly had written to Infidel leaders, telling them they would only be safe from ravening Muslims only if they submitted to Islam.

      The leaders were Heraclius the emperor of Eastern Roman Empire, Chosroes II the emperor of Persia, the Negus of Ethiopia, Muqawqis the ruler of Egypt, Harith Gassani the governor of Syria and Munzir ibn Sawa the ruler of Bahrain., and read thusly:

      “ In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful:
      (This letter is) from Muhammad the slave of Allah and His Apostle to Heraclius the ruler of Byzantine. Peace be upon him, who follows the right path. Furthermore I invite you to Islam, and if you become a Muslim you will be safe…”

      Note that–with the partial exception of Ethiopia–that Islam has indeed overrun the realms of all of these Infidel kings.

      We will not be safe–and have to stand strong against the Muslim hordes.

  26. mortimer says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 5:58 pm

    We have also learned we may not critique an intolerant, misogynistic, supremacist, theocratic, Bronze Age ideology.

    • Wellington says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 6:21 pm

      I submit, Mortimer, that though you posted your comment with the best of intentions, you still nonetheless insulted the Bronze Age. Islam is BENEATH the Bronze Age. Achilles, Agamemnon, Odysseus, Aeneas, Hector, Priam, the Egyptian Pharaohs of the Fourth Dynasty, et al., all easily rise above the totalitarian ideology which is Islam. Just sayin’.

      • mortimer says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm

        I humbly disagree because the Bronze Age practiced eye-for-eye and tooth-for-tooth, just as Islam does. They practiced slaughter, enslavement and plunder, as Islam does still.

        The rest of the world has evolved to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Geneva Conventions. Islam is stuck in the Bronze Age.

        Achilles was a rage-filled, spiteful madman…so similar to Islamic dictators, no? Much of the story of the Iliad is the story of his rage, no?

        • Wellington says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 12:35 pm

          Well, Mortimer, my comment was meant mostly tongue-in-cheek.

  27. Bradley Lexvold says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    Mark of the Beast incorporated into ISIS flag.
    I was laying out an ISIS flag to burn it on a youtube video only to see that it ended up with a picture of a snake . Then Gunny pointed out that the beginning of that last line is a symbol of a forked tongue. So ISIS is advertising Islam’s foundation is a lying snake. I was at Garland as I had entrants, all having the Mark of the Beast pictured in them and 2 are in the Book that is for sale. The Mark of the Beast is a picture of a snake incorporated into a road sign. It means to think and act in a sick and twisted manner. It is old school fundamental Christianity. A snake is repeatedly warned about in the Bible. Some over think this and think it is some new way of sin, but no. I have it explained more detail at http://www.secedelinks.org. It applies to many more than just Muslins. Brad

    • Alissa says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 1:19 pm

      http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2015/09/here-we-go-again.html

      Belsan. If you haven’t seen this you really need to. Actual footage. This is what we’ll see all over Europe very soon as the muslim numbers over take us and then in North America if Obama has his way. This is where liberal stupidity and general inaction is taking us. Surreal. We are marching closer and closer to the abyss.

      These bastards will drive the agenda. We will be fighting for our lives.

      • Alissa says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 2:53 pm

        Make that Beslan not Belsan

        • Undaunted says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 8:11 pm

          Thanks for linking to my work on Beslan, Alissa. And, you’re right: this is us soon.

      • Jupe says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 6:57 pm

        But what can we DO about it?

  28. citycat says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 7:21 pm

    I find it difficult to comprehend that a plane so relativly small destroyed such a large building.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:44 pm

      Oh, good grief–more creeping “Trutherism”.

      Most buildings have not been constructed to withstand having a fully-fueled passenger jet run into them–especially back in the 1970s.

      Here’s the classic article from Popular Mechanics:

      “Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report”

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a49/1227842/

      This exhaustive investigation into the engineering and physics of the 9/11 attacks has been available for *ten years* now, citycat–with all respect, that is plenty of time to have looked into the issue.

      • Don McKellar says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:52 pm

        Of course. That expose was the gold standard on this that any retarded “truther” could understand — but of course they don’t want to understand it. It’s not that much fun.

        Another excellent resource is the BBC documentary on the other building “building 7” these peanut brains always point at as some kind of “smoking gun”. Of course evidence and proof and logic show its not and fell because of obvious reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbMfTtHkYM

      • Wellington says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 7:55 pm

        You beat me to it, gravenimage. I was about to reference the Popular Mechanics March 2005 issue (which was turned into a book the next year) but there’s need to now. Hopefully, “citycat” will take good note of this, but it has been my experience that anyone into conspiracy theories aplenty never lets the facts get in the way of a good theory.

        I don’t know that citycat is of such an ilk but, if so, the PM 2005 issue will not be enough to dissuade such a person. But then no amount of facts and pure reason ever will be.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 11, 2015 at 10:11 pm

          Hi, Wellington. Citycat is generally a pretty solid Anti-Jihadist, though I may differ with him from time to time on a couple of minor points. Honestly, I was surprised to see his Truther comments re 9/11.

          All the best to you and yours on this grim anniversary–always good to see how many strong allies we have standing against the depredations of Islam.

      • Kepha says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 8:33 pm

        Great post, Graven, except that it’s “Troofer”, not “Truther”. I refuse to demean the word “truth” by associating it with that loony network.
        BTW, to all Jewish readers (in case I disappear over the next couple of days) “l’shanah tovah!”

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 11:49 pm

          Thanks, Kepha–I agree with you on “Truther” having nothing whatsoever to do with Truth, which is why I put it in quotes.

          Good to see you posting regularly again.

    • Don McKellar says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 7:47 pm

      You mean a 136 ton piece of machinery with about 10,000 gallons of jet fuel — enough to fill 500 minivans? Such a flying bomb crashing into the top floors of a building that was not built to code and didn’t have proper fire insulation on its steel beam structure? You mean such a flying bomb bursting into flames and all that jet fuel igniting all other combustibles inside heating the common ordinary low-grade steel to the weakening point where it couldn’t fully support the thousands of tones above it and giving way? You mean like how you watched on video how the building(s) collapsed directly FROM the floor that the planes hit and came down like a house of cards — completely unlike any controlled demolition in history that has even been attempted or tried? Only an absolute retard wouldn’t be able to put 2 plus 2 together and figure this one out. And there’s nothing hard to comprehend about it. Unless you’re an absolute retard.

      • DAI says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 4:25 pm

        Spot on ,mate. These people who believe that bombs,no planes are morons. Hate them as much as I hate Muslims

    • Ashley says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      “I find it difficult to comprehend that a plane so relativly small destroyed such a large building.”
      ____________________________

      I find it difficult to comprehend that you have the gall to post such an ignorant and insensitive comment.

      • Georg says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 11:52 pm

        Best to you as well, Gravenimage. This was a great piece. All this “truther” stuff makes me sad for the victims and is salt in the wounds of so many. I can’t help but think of the schizophrenic reaction of so many Palestinians who both cheered on the day and assured us it was an act of the Zionists and their friends… Will they ever just cop to something? It speaks to the dastardly extreme of the act that even our enemies so often refuse their complicity.

        Please urge your congressman/woman to lobby for the declassification of the Senate Intelligence Committee report former Florida Governor Bob Graham insists points to Saudi involvement. They must be held accountable as that day was so disastrous and damaging for the United States, West, and World.

        • AJ Liberphile says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 2:53 am

          Islamic won a massive victory: it managed to simultaneously terrify the West, while sort-of denying all responsibility (as usual). The 19 ‘hijackers’ were still alive. But even if they did do it, they were CIA operatives. Even if al Qaida did it, the CIA was behind al Qaida. The 9/11 ‘Truth’ campaign did not so much win the argument as terminally muddy the waters, creating a dense cloud of confusion.
          Strangely, even though ‘CIA Zionists were behind the attacks’, there were widespread celebrations by Muslims throughout the world in response, notably in the Palestinian territories, Egypt, Germany and also UK prisons. Tommy Robinson, ex-leader of the English Defence League, in his December 2014 address to the Oxford Debating Society, explained that one of the reasons he founded the EDL was the appearance of offensive posters in support of the ‘glorious 19’ in his home town, Luton, a major Muslim enclave.
          Just one of the most obvious and damning ripostes to 9/11 ‘truth’ theories is the evidence from phone calls made by hostages aboard United Airlines flight 93, confirming that the flights were indeed hijacked by Islamic terrorists. Even if your ‘truth’ theory is that the terrorists themselves were ‘hijacked’ by ‘CIA Zionists’, what on earth would make anyone so vulnerable to manipulation that they would commit such an evil act of murder-suicide – except Islam?

        • Peggy says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 7:52 am

          Maybe there is a higher power holding them responsible. A crane just crashed into the grand mosque in Saudi Arabia killing about 100 and wounding some.
          Pity this was just before prayers were going to start so maybe the mosque wasn’t full yet.

        • gravenimage says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 11:53 pm

          Agreed, Ashley, Georg, and AJ.

          I don’t think citycat meant it this way–he seems genuinely befuddled–but there is no doubt that most “Truthers” are apologists for evil.

      • Shane says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 10:06 am

        You guys have gone way off topic instead of commenting on this excellent article. We have got to keep pushing the facts that Islam is a religion of jihad and misogyny and that most Muslim terrorists are devout Muslims who want to be like the Warlord Muhammad and go to war with the enemies of Islam.

        We should be encouraging every one we know to read the excellent books by Spencer on Islam, the Crusades, and his latest one about ISIS. Britgitte Gabriels books should be must reading for Americans too.

        • ETERNAL VIGILANCE says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 1:11 pm

          I HEARTEDLY ENDORSE SPENCER’S COMMENTARY AND YOURS AS WELL! IT IS AMAZING THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND THE COMMITTMENT THAT HE GIVES TO THIS DIFFICULT AND EVEN TERRORIZING TOPIC.

          HIS TRUTHS HAVE MADE MANY ENEMIES FOR HIM AMONG AMERICAN MUSLIMS AND AMONG THE PC CROWD THAT ATTEMPTS TO CAST THE QURAN AND ITS BELIEVERS AS “PEACEFUL!” OUR TRAITOROUS PRESIDENT LEADS THAT PACK AND IS INVITING 70,000 MUSLIMS FROM SYRIA TO MAKE THEIR EXODUS TO THE USA!

        • EYESOPEN says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 8:08 pm

          Right you are Shane. Nonie Darwish’s books, as well as Wafa Sultan’s book: “A God Who Hates” are excellent reads as well.

        • kay says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 5:20 am

          Re: “You guys have gone way off topic…”
          —————
          Me? Off topic? No way fella. Not by a long shot. My writing gets sharper and sharper.
          Just posted this on social media:

          Islam is incompatible with Judaism.
          Islam is incompatible with Christianity.
          Islam is incompatible with peace.
          Islam is incompatible with freedom.

          That’s a pretty devastating critique, and I can back it up with Bostom.
          It also happens to be entirely original. I will continue to lay waste to the bad guys on social media.
          Quote me all you want. But don’t make the mistake of thinking I go off topic. My arguments are very pointed. Ten of the bad guys are not worth one of me, nor are twenty. I am smashing them. And I will smash them up some more.
          Samurai Fight Scene
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ht5y1rX2zk

          Obviously I just couldn’t “cut it” as a Christian. I just wanna go out there and take on all comers. As in this very flashy and somewhat impractical video, I go out there alone. It’s better to go with a good team, of course. But the point is to get the job done.
          People here basically mean well. You like to discuss.
          As for me, I’m actually fighting a war. My idea of a good time is breaking bad guys. In a nutshell, what is learned from 9/11 is the absolute necessity of fighting, and having the skill and resources to do it decisively.
          Girls can do it too. It’s just typing. Don’t be shy.
          I’ll use whatever I can. Lotsa people here won’t like Dawkins. But he’s one of the best, so that is completely foolish. Here is what works:
          Richard Dawkins destroys arguments of crazy, potentially retarded religious fanatics
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoZuHtJ0EI
          Dawkins kills the bad guy imam in one and a quarter minutes. This is how we get the job done. This is all about war. There is nothing to negotiate.

      • alyn21 says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 11:47 am

        Freedom of expression allows idiots to speak their minds.

    • Gamaliel says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 6:11 am

      I find it difficult to understand how the Twin Towers stood up as long as they did after being hit by an oil filled plane at over 300 miles an hour.

    • old white guy says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 8:28 am

      a large jet full of fuel is bigger than some of the biggest bombs available and could take out much more than just a building.

    • bc says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 9:05 am

      Have you ever been on a large aircraft? Not only is it quite massive weighing many tons but it is also carrying large amounts of fuel at the beginning of its journey. In other words it is much like a bomb.
      It only had to smash into one or two storeys of the building and that and the fire weakened the structure. Gravity did the rest

      • quotha raven says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 11:12 am

        Anyone familiar with these buildings and their settings will also realize that they rested on several stories of space underground. Underneath these buildings there were layers of subway tubes and parking garages and shops. When #1 and #2 collapsed, they sent quite a blast undergound to the north. Where did this go? Right underneath #4 and #7.

        Cheers! qr

    • Rick Spencer says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 10:14 am

      Anyone with an enquiring mind and a reasonable level of intelligence will soon discover that ‘9/11’ was indeed an inside job. To start, ‘google’ “Building 7”, then ask why WTC 7 wasn’t even mentioned in the official 9/11 Report. Thereafter, do some research into the internally-orchestrated Pentagon attack, etc. The real conspiracy story is the official one!

      • Kepha says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 8:36 pm

        PPPPTHHHHHPLSLK!

        A Bronx Cheer to you, too.

      • gravenimage says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 12:03 am

        What an idiot. Building 7 collapsed because it had tons of debris from the towers weighing down its roof.

        And I’ll ask this tool what I ask every one of these morons: if you believe 9/11 was an “inside job” done to “make Islam look bad”, do you believe that of every *other* Jihad terror attack since that date–all *26.869* of them?

        And if such attacks are so “un-Islamic”, why would anyone believe that they were done by peaceful Muslims to begin with? Could “Zionists” do the same thing with, say, pinning violent terrorist attacks on Quakers or the Amish?

        Moreover, why is it that pious Muslims all over the world are *celebrating* these homicidal attacks? Wouldn’t peaceful Muslims be aghast over this violence done by filthy Infidels?

        My God, what stupidity…

        • Karen says

          Sep 13, 2015 at 11:58 am

          Gravenimage, perhaps he has a point. I mean, even that renowned Civil Engineer, Rosie O’Donnell thought the towers’ destruction defied the laws of physics (snicker….)

          The Troofers (thanks Kepha) remind me of so many people who, after the OKC bombing, wanted to blame the fertilizer companies instead of Timothy McVeigh.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 12:16 pm

      I find it difficult to comprehend that a plane so relativly small destroyed such a large building.

      That’s an odd thing to say.

      The structural engineer/Penn State professor who invented the framed tube structure design technique used for the WTC towers was called during the attack by someone, as I recall an official from the FDNY or the Port Authority, who asked him what was likely to happen as the airliners continued to burn. The professor said that at that point it was too late, the towers were certain to collapse straight downward as the surface integrity of the two towers was weakened as the tubes melted.

      My advice: quit watching The View and hit the mute button the next time Rosie O’Donnell appears on your TV.

      • Karen says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 12:00 pm

        Great advice, LOL! 🙂

    • Daniel Rubio says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 3:07 pm

      Following your twisted “thinking”, here you have a few more “truisms” based upon your same logic:

      I find it difficult that a tiny bullet, a few ounces in weight, can kill a 200-pound man.
      I find it difficult that an IED, just a few kgs of explosive material, can take out an armored vehicle and its whole crew.
      I found it difficult that a microscopic bacteria can make one’s man life miserable through long diseases and eventually death.

      And finally, I find it difficult that your useless brain will actually understand how the above sentences demolish your baseless logical proposition.

    • John says

      Sep 13, 2015 at 12:19 am

      Yes, and all the dead bodies found in Nazi concentration camps were due to a typhus epidemic.

  29. kay says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    Here I slam in some Christian material from Acts17 Apologetics.
    Posted these two video links for the first time yesterday, several times.
    How is this relevant? Well, you have to “know your enemy”, like Green Day sez.
    In strategy terms, you have to start with a SWOT analysis, meaning Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. I have completed a kind SWOT analysis for English language cultural jihad / Islamism. I know a number of their key weaknesses, in significant part from these Christian theologians.

    The Acts17 Apologetics material on youtube is remarkably high quality and extremely useful. Haven’t seen their stuff referenced here. I expect there will be quite a lot of Christian memorial prayer today or Sunday. But without SWOT analysis, you haven’t got a prayer. If I were Christian, I’d be pushing Dave Wood a lot. That is not the case, but I’m pushing his stuff anyway. He’s a good guy, pro free speech and all. So that is my contribution today.
    People talk about “noor”, as above. And claim darkness is noor. But it’s not. I put out a lot of noor / light on social media. Et Lux In Tenebris Lucit.

    —————-

    Three Quran Verses Every Christian Should Know
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Nu6EabQD8

    David Wood: Five Reasons the Quran Is Not the Word of God
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvlzlBov9zc

    Please share these videos. Good information is the death of Islam. 
    ——————–

    Of course, for me it’s very much about the Church of Rock ‘n Roll.
    Green Day: “Know Your Enemy” – [Official Video]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IclmVdWNbI

    Love & Struggle,
    kay

  30. RG says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    How pathetic is it that there are muslims like Rezali who devour Robert’s every word on this blogsite and still they WILL NOT allow themselves to question the total insanity of mohammed’s writings? THERE IS NONE SO BLIND AS HE WHO WILL NOT SEE…. He sees this website as evil, but little does he know, he’s the one who is deceived!

    Hey, Rezali, tell me, exactly who is the WE that “allah” is referring to in Sura 2.23 and in numerous direct quotes succeeding, when “he” says, “WE have sent down upon OUR servant muhammed…..” Does your allah have AN EQUAL??? Is mohammed including himself in the ‘WE’??? I thought your allah was only One god! How come ‘he’ uses the PLURAL FORM when referring to ‘himself’???? Hmmm…. Vedddy interrresting!!! Hey, here’s a thought–YOUR PHONEY BOOK OF LIES WAS WRITTEN BY A SCUMBAG PEDOPHILE FALSE PROPHET who couldn’t even figure out whether his false allah-god was singular or PLURAL…. Pathetic–totally PATHETIC!!!

    • mortimer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm

      Hey, Rezali,

      Mohammed was a myth. There’s no historical foundation for Islam. Abd al Malik created Islam according to his taste and it was he who invented the Koran with Hajjaj.

      • Raja says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 5:31 am

        Rezali,

        If you loathe democracy, filthy infidel, Western legal system, Western financial system, Christianity and blah blah why do go the West in the first place that too with all the lies and deception. and perhaps with a begging bowl ? They hate your dishonesty and treachery more than your satanic “religion”

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 12:53 pm

        Yes, true. But unfortunately, today Moslems are all too real.

    • TheBUffster says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 9:38 pm

      Eh… RG, I think it’s a little off-base to attack the use of the royal “we” in the Koran. I think that’s all it is.

      • Aardvark says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 6:09 am

        Yes, I agree that this is probably the ‘royal we’. But the ‘royal we’ was intended to show that the king was speaking for himself and for the deity. (see http://alturl.com/tni5r) In the case of the Koran, this makes its use complete nonsense, unless it is Mohammed speaking for himself and his invisible friend.

        Is it also present in the original Arabic version, or is it just more nonsense from the translators?

    • Mirren10 says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 11:30 am

      ”Hey, Rezali, tell me, exactly who is the WE that “allah” is referring to in Sura 2.23 and in numerous direct quotes succeeding, when “he” says, “WE have sent down upon OUR servant muhammed…..””

      Does Beelzebub have a sidekick ? Maybe old ‘allah’ is talking about his mate jibreel ? 🙂

    • old white guy says

      Sep 13, 2015 at 8:19 am

      mohammed was illiterate.

      • Rick Spencer says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 12:22 pm

        Mo was a successful trader and almost certainly was literate. Robert Spencer would agree. It’s the MOHAMEDANS who claim the guy was illiterate to try and convince all of us that the Koran is Allah’s word and a miracle!

  31. Westman says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    One thing I have learned since 9/11 is how valuable America is to me and that there is a world-wide supremist cancer called Islam that would, if allowed, force every human to be either a believer, be subjugated(taxed and humilated, as has been historically described), or be killed. It does not belong to the 21st Century.

    As our founding fathers declared, “We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor” to stop the take-over of America by this insidious ideology. Americans will remain free to speak our minds or the leaders who attempt to abridge them will be ejected from office. If this requires ejecting the UN from the shores of the last nation with real human rights, so be it. We will not be ruled by the Dhimmi cowards of the world.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 10:16 pm

      Westman wrote:

      One thing I have learned since 9/11 is how valuable America is to me
      …………………….

      Hear, hear, Westman.

      While I have become much more aware of the evil of Islam and the threat it represents, I have also become ever more appreciative of America and the rest of the West, and the values we have to cherish and protect.

  32. Westman says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    Sadly, It appears that Saudi Arabia just had its own 9/11 in Mecca, a crane collapse.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 10:28 pm

      Westman wrote:

      Sadly, It appears that Saudi Arabia just had its own 9/11 in Mecca, a crane collapse.
      …………………………..

      With all respect, dear Westman, I don’t believe that this was *anything* like 9/11.

      The crane collapsed in a storm, and killed a hundred people gathered in the Mosque for the Hadj.

      This seems much more like garden-variety third-world ineptitude. There is no reason to believe, from all reports, that this was any sort of attack. Not even the paranoid Saudis are claiming that this was an attack.

      The only link is that is *was* the Saudis that backed the 9/11 Jihadists.

      The crane story is here:

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/middleeast/saudi-arabia-mecca-crane-collapse/

      By the way, Saudis have had three times the number of casualties from Muslim pilgrims running amok and trampling each other to death during the Hadj.

      • Westman says

        Sep 11, 2015 at 11:25 pm

        You’re right, of course, Graven, but I don’t want to be insensitive to the suffering of men and women who would still be alive if it were not for their association with Islam. Unlike Daesh, many may not have been aware of the violent doctrines in Islam and died in their innocent unawareness. I can’t blame the majority of Muslims, whose actions I have not observed, for something they did not create nor can Ivspeak of poetic justice as some are doing.

        As an Agnostic I don’t see where much of humanity’s doings are of any interest to the actual creating force of the Universe. We will determine our own course as a nation, whether to become enslaved by a 7th century madman that may or may not have existed, or risk everything to remain free, no matter how destructive it will be. Truman or Patton would have no malaise. What will we do?

      • Lia Wissing says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 5:02 am

        According to the weatherman the collapse of the crane was caused by a very narrowly localised storm.

      • Peggy says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 7:55 am

        Maybe this is just the beginning. God is just getting started.

        • Raja says

          Sep 12, 2015 at 9:20 am

          Peggy,

          As Graven has opined earlier this accident is incomparable to 9/11 that was well intended to DESTROY America the “great Satan”

          God could have intervened in this nature related accident but HE CHOSE NOT TO.

          Vengeance is God’s and He will repay the Islamic world in a veiled manner at the appropriate time.

          He will definitely avenge the blood of Christians and other injustices. May be it is because of this that they are killing each other like dogs.

          Jesus made a special reference of the ELECT in Matthew chapter 24 and he prophesied that that war (of AD 68) would be shortened for the ELECT’s sake. It happened exactly that way and they had all the opportunity to escape the great slaughter then. This proves that God cares for mankind/justice and more so for the Elect.

          God can make the evil empires of middle east vanish IF HE CHOSE TO but He is patient with the rebellious world. Already the blood of innocents must be “unsettling” God. God has promised to answer prayers much like THE NEEDS OF LIFE.

          Prayer is the most important weapon for Christians. If you don’t pray yourself ask the disciples of Christ to do for you and the rest of the world.

      • Kepha says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 8:42 pm

        Gravenimae: “This seems much more like garden-variety third-world ineptitude..”

        Back when I was in the foreign service, there was a superstition to the effect that if the host country had green in its flag, you ought to expect that hings wouldn’t work very well. Saudi Arabia sure has a lot of green in its flag!

    • Kasey says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 8:10 am

      Will they claim it is Allah’s will, as punishment in response to all the illegal activity by Suadi Arabia in all it does in the name of Islam? Maybe, for as usual, life means nothing to them in reality and they welcome death as a means to travel to their paradise in an imaginary heaven. And as usual, the innocent suffer again.

  33. citycat says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    Trutherism? New to me.
    An obvious simple question.
    Why the caustic emotion?

    • mortimer says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 9:05 pm

      Caustic? More like, disbelief that anyone cannot have read the analyses…you seem not to have taken the time. You missed the chief designer of the Twin Towers who said, ‘We never considered the possibility of an airplane attack to the Twin Towers.’

      For many people the denials of Arabs (especially Saudis…who caused 9/11) are a sore point.

      Top engineers, even professors of engineering and science have explained the collapse.

      Failure Analysis of the World Trade Center Collapse – Science, Engineering, and Speculation
      http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
      http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center
      http://www.debunking911.com/collapse.htm

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 11, 2015 at 10:46 pm

      Citycat, you may not be familiar with the phenomenon. “Trutherism” usually involves Muslims or Muslim apologists claiming that 9/11 was not caused by Jihadists flying planes into the Twin Towers, but by Mossad or the CIA or George Bush (or what have you) setting up controlled demolition in order to defame Muslims and make “:Islam look bad”. This is often accompanied by false claims that no Jews were killed in 9/11, because they were all warned by Israel to stay home. The most common slogan is “9/11 Was an Inside Job”.

      Many–even more bizarrely–claim that *all* Jihad terror attacks are actually pulled off by “Islamophobic” Infidels, usually the Jews.

      I’m surprised you have not run across this before.

      But then, I knew from your previous comments over the years that you hardly seem like a “Truther” yourself, citycat.

      Here’s a rough overview:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement

  34. Terry Gain says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Nothing.

  35. Oswald says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    We’ve also learned, as the morning online news site this morning proclaimed, that we have to be terrified of white supremacists.

  36. citycat says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Gravenimage, i can’t reply, only post.
    Ok ok
    i seen 911 on the news at the time, people jumping off.
    I’m going off the picture here. The plane looks so small in comparison to the towers.
    I’ll look at all that stuff when i can afford a computer.
    Till then i’ll leave it all in air.
    Cheers

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 12:37 am

      OK, Citycat–I hope you get a chance to catch up. Do start with the Popular Mechanics article–it is now available as a book.

    • Davegreybeard says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 2:11 am

      @citycat
      “I’ll look at all that stuff when i can afford a computer.”

      So if you don’t own a computer, how are you reading and posting stuff on JW on a frequent basis?

      Library? Friends house? Your mom and dad’s machine?

      Just curious.

  37. Harry says

    Sep 11, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    “We” have learned that 9/11 had
    “Nothing to do with Islam”
    https://youtu.be/N46mIHEGHN0

  38. sidney penny says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 12:24 am

    “We have learned that hate speech is not free speech, and that whatever is deemed hate speech does not enjoy First Amendment protection, and that much, if not all, counter-terror material, especially that which explores the stated motives of the jihadis, is hate speech and should be forcibly suppressed.”

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/cal-poly-free-speech-under-attack-in-academia

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/video-robert-spencer-at-cal-poly-may-13-2014.

    Short 8 minutes at the end-watch it and enjoy

    • kay says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 4:04 am

      The video is good and helpful.
      Tx

  39. dlbrand says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 1:39 am

    Well asserted, Robert. Well asserted, to the word.

    And we learned all you stated, with the benefit of–the miles, the cost, the lives, the limbs, the futures, and the trillions spent–to Iraq, to Afghanistan, in other words, to hell and back.

  40. Cecilia Ellis says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 3:21 am

    “Fourteen years have gone by, and what have we learned?”

    Since 9/11, I have learned that Ground Zero never departs . . . not for America . . . not for Israel . . . not for me. Terrorism is, first and foremost, always a local event, whether it occurs on foreign soil, in major U. S. cities, or in the heartland. Only the magnitude of death and destruction distinguishes a machete-wielding workplace attack from a 2974-death toll. Each life is equally precious, and the grief of each who mourns paves the way for a life changed instantly, never to be completely divested of “what could have been” moments. The horror of brutality remains the same: All have died at the hands of those who proclaim Allah as their master . . . jihad their path . . . and supremacy their right.

    Long before 9/11, the tears of families streamed as the roster of American deaths at the hands of devout Muslims grew, a list that included victims like Leon Klinghoffer, Robert Stethem, 241 servicemen at Beirut, 19 servicemen at the attack on the Khobar Towers, 189 with the Lockerbie bombing of PANAM Flight 103, six people with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, 17 with the bombing of the U. S. Embassy in Lebanon, and 11 with the simultaneous bombings of U. S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Those events captured my attention and narrowed my focus on Islam, but it was 9/11 that defined Islam once-and-for-all as pure evil.

    Even as the fire continued to burn, I walked daily on the residue left by Islamic hatred and violence. I absorbed the defiance of firemen and policemen who relentlessly tried to locate and unearth their fallen comrades. I breathed in the smell of burnt flesh, molten steel, and melted electronics. I routinely brushed the ashes of people, building material, and office furniture from my hands and feet. For over two months, I took in the sacredness of that hallowed ground. Fourteen years later, those images . . . those smells . . . that heartbreak . . . all that I witnessed . . . remains. I have learned that Ground Zero really never goes away, nor do those who brought us this evil. Tomorrow or the next day, there will be another barbaric display of core Islamic doctrine somewhere in this world, a world convinced by “the Greatest of Deceivers,” through carefully orchestrated words of apologists and adherents, that Islam is a religion of peace. It is not; its liturgy is expressed in murder, enslavement, greed, envy, and pride. No amount of political correctness, claims of victimization or attempts at outreach will change that fact. Islam is what it is.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 14, 2015 at 1:14 am

      Oh, Cecilia, that is beautifully written.

      XO

      • kay says

        Sep 14, 2015 at 6:37 am

        Re Cecilia: “Terrorism is, first and foremost, always a local event…”
        ———————–
        Must strongly disagree. New York city is a microcosm of the Western world, and then some.
        Word is that people from fifty five ( ! ! ) nations were destroyed in NYC alone. Also, the terrorist attack hit the Pentagon, and very very badly. Still further, a plane went down in Pennsylvania. The airline passengers no doubt had very diverse backgrounds and travel itineraries. The planes were scheduled to go very different places.
        All of these are part of the same overall story. And people of very different countries were involved, including Saudis and the people of Afghanistan.
        The subsequent refusal of the Taliban leader Mullah Omar to turn over Osama Bin Laden condemned Afghanistan to years of war. Many more lives were lost as a direct consequence. Clear?

        I therefore see this catastrophe as Very global in nature and extended over time, and Not a matter of NYC specifically or just one day. Yes, the majority of the lives lost were in NYC and on one day, but that misses the point altogether.
        Again, fifty five nations were involved. The emotional, social, economic and political consequences of 9/11 are enormous. That is the opposite of a “local event”.
        This is a major event in the life of America as a whole, and the fact that all the wreckage was limited to three locales in NYC, Pennsylvania and DC completely misses the point. See the bigger story. It is huge.

        The 9/11 event was civilizational warfare and major international jihad. It had global consequences and still does. This is the start of jihad against America, and America as a whole is hooked in to this catastrophe, no matter what anyone may say.

        This does not deny the pain of NYC. I’m just saying that it’s all about connection.
        Bruce Springsteen – My City of Ruins (WTC Benefit)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zld2cSIVUO4

        “For in the final analysis, our most basic common link, is that we all inhabit this small planet, we all breathe the same air, we all cherish our children’s futures, and we are all mortal.” — John F. Kennedy

  41. Ryan Muhammad says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 3:36 am

    Why is no one speaking about the other 9/11/01 which occurred on the same day? 3x as many people (Christians) were murdered by Muslims in Nigeria on that day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkkrIzYuGZc (from 2:00:10)

    Nigeria has 36 total regions with 24 of them Christian and 12 Muslim.

    Jos is the northernmost Christian city in Nigeria. Its surrounded on 3 sides by Muslims.

    Nigeria has a history of being Muslim-dominant. Due to a history of previous dictatorships, Nigeria experienced a disarming of Christians.

    Some Muslims in Nigeria knew a major destructive attack on Western targets was going to happen, and while this terror event was occurring and completely distracting the media, they were prepared to use this window of opportunity as freedom to do anything they liked for a few weeks without anyone in the world taking interest because the world would be distracted by the Western terror event

    So these pious, mosque-going Muslims planned an absolute, genocidal all out attack on Christians. The Muslims were well-armed and had in their arsenal things like rocket-propelled weapons and AK-47’s

    Then came 9/11 in America

    As the news spread that the towers had collapsed, Nigerian Muslims poured out of the mosques screaming Allahu Akbar

    They went on a Christian-killing rampage

    Their first victim was a pregnant Christian, and the Muslims tore her to pieces

    Then the Muslims burned 100 churches, and hundreds of Christian businesses and homes

    The Muslims murdered over 9,600 Christians that day

    Muslims would have massacred more, but something incredible happened. As the Christians were praying, a large truck coming from 90% Muslim Niger which is north of Nigeria, capsized in a Christian suburb for no apparent reason, spilling thousands of AK-47’s onto the road. The Christians, who only had things like baseball bats and shovels and other farming tools to fight off Muslims who had rockets and AK-47’s, now had weapons. They chased the Muslims out of Jos, reclaimed the area and restored law and order.

    Where was the Nigerian army or police when genocide was taking place against the Christians? They stayed in their barracks, outside the city, throughout the whole jihad attack, and the Christians were totally left on their own.

    When I learned about this several years ago from Dr. Hammond, who works extensively overseas with Christians, for me it was the final nail in the coffin for any doubt that Muslims committed 9/11.

    • kay says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 4:13 am

      This is important.
      Do you have good news media references for this?
      Tx

      • Ryan Muhammad says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 7:31 am

        Kay, Dr. Peter Hammond, who works extensively with Christians in Africa, is my source. And, if you get a chance to listen to the interview with him via the link I provided, even he didn’t know about this until he went to Jos, Nigeria and the Christians told him what had happened.

        And that was exactly the point of this jihad attack on Nigerian Christians, that the whole world would be focused on America’s attacks, which further explains why this slaughter is practically unheard of. Even when Muslims do wage such jihad attacks, the media doesn’t report on it. How much less they would report on it when all attention was on America’s 9/11.

    • Raja says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 4:18 am

      Ryan,

      Thank you for the informative post. It is a shame that the West has ALLOWED many theories to be floated to protect the real Satan Islam. Surely it cannot be NATIONAL INTEREST !!!

      By the way, Muslims are accused of NOT coming out / stay indoors whenever/where ever bombs went off in other cities !!!!!

      From what I understand, Muslims in your country back in 2001 thought that THEIR HOUR HAD COME when the towers attack took place or even before the attack took place and they took full advantage of the time, under the “shadow” of twin tower attack

      So this is Islam for you hate hate and hate….n… kill, kill kill…. n …

      • Ryan Muhammad says

        Sep 12, 2015 at 7:32 am

        Raja, thank you.

    • gravenimage says

      Sep 13, 2015 at 12:25 am

      Ryan Muhammad wrote:

      Why is no one speaking about the other 9/11/01 which occurred on the same day? 3x as many people (Christians) were murdered by Muslims in Nigeria on that day.
      …………………………

      Because I’ve never heard of it. Even Googling “Dr. Peter Hammond”, “Nigeria”, and “Christians killed on 9/11” brings up nothing.

      Your implication that those of us on Jihad Watch are deliberately ignoring this is just wrong–just a glance back in the archives shows how heavily Robert Spencer covers the Jihad in Nigeria and the rest of Africa. There are scores of stories covered here.

      If you have more information, please pass it along to us–we care about *all* the victims of Islam.

  42. duh_swami says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 4:44 am

    I learned that you should not trust anyone who believes Allah is God…
    I learned that Islamic scripture is a mean spirited , and deadly fraud.
    I learned that if you don’t stand up to it, you will kneel to it,
    I learned that Robert, Hugh Fitzgerald, are genius in their own right.
    O learned to do without, Abdullah Mikail, Naseem. and Dolly Buster among others here at JW, who taught me the Mahoundian way of thinking.
    I learned that many kuffar are less than intelligent, when it comes to Islam.
    I learned a thing or two about Islam from Joe Biden.
    But Islam is full of surprises…Now I learn that Allah would rather attack Mecca on 911 than NYC.

    • Raja says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 4:48 am

      Duh Swami,

      Your comment was well thought out…… I find this most important: I learned that if you don’t stand up to it, you will kneel to it, Hope the world is listening…..

      • Jay Boo says

        Sep 13, 2015 at 1:01 am

        “If you don’t stand up to it, you will kneel to it…”
        ——————

        Duh Swami you are overthinking this.
        It is not even necessary to stand up to it.
        All that is necessary is to REVEAL it.

        Islam has no true foundation.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 5:13 am

      The strange thing seems to be that the thunderstorm was actually quite small, very localised, but generated very strong gusts of wind. And y’t’day (9/11) Mt Obama announced the ‘victory’ of ‘diplomacy’ re Iran. Somebody should make a 9/11 list. Also see Ryan Muhammad above.

  43. Winston says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 4:45 am

    What I don’t understand is why the media and politicians continue to lie about Islam and blindly insist it is a religion of peace, despite all the evidence to the contrary?

    Saudi Arabia should be a pariah state for its involvement in 9/11, its financing of Islamic State and yet the government continues to hide the truth from the American people. Is it about a dependency on oil or is it ignorance? Or is there some other reason?

  44. dumbledoresarmy says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 5:15 am

    I think Oriana Fallaci’s “The Rage and the Pride” was a pretty good response.

    Time for people to re-read it. And anyone here who hasn’t yet read it, *should*.

    It will put both iron and fire in your soul.

    The link here will take you to a site where you can read “La Rabbia e L’Orgoglio” in both Italian and in English.

    http://italian.about.com/library/fallaci/blfallaci01i.htm

    Excerpt: her call to arms.

    “….I am speaking to those who, though not stupid or evil, are wallowing in prudence and doubt. And to them I say: “Wake up, people. Wake up!!” Intimidated as you are by your fear of going against the current—that is, appearing racist (a word which is entirely inapt as we are speaking not about a race but about a religion)—you don’t understand or don’t want to understand that a reverse–Crusade is in progress.

    “Accustomed as you are to the double–cross, blinded as you are by myopia, you don’t understand or don’t want to understand that a war of religion is in progress. Desired and declared by a fringe of that religion, perhaps, but a war of religion nonetheless. A war which they call Jihad. Holy War.

    “A war that might not seek to conquer our territory, but that certainly seeks to conquer our souls. That seeks the disappearance of our freedom and our civilization. That seeks to annihilate our way of living and dying, our way of praying or not praying, our way of eating and drinking and dressing and entertaining and informing ourselves.

    “You don’t understand or don’t want to understand that if we don’t oppose them, if we don’t defend ourselves, if we don’t fight, the Jihad will win.

    “And it will destroy the world that for better or worse we’ve managed to build, to change, to improve, to render a little more intelligent, that is to say, less bigoted—or even not bigoted at all. And with that it will destroy our culture, our art, our science, our morals, our values, our pleasures…

    “Christ! Don’t you realize that the Osama Bin Ladens feel authorized to kill you and your children because you drink wine or beer, because you don’t wear your beard long or a chador, because you go to the theater or the movies, because you listen to music and sing pop songs, because you dance in discos or at home, because you watch TV, wear miniskirts or short–shorts, because you go naked or half naked to the beach or the pool, because you fuck when you want and where you want and who you want? Don’t you even care about that, you fools? I am an atheist, thank God. And I have no intention of letting myself be killed for it….

    “Christ! I don’t deny anyone the right to be afraid. Anyone who’s not afraid of war is an idiot. And as I’ve written a thousand times before, anyone who acts as though he’s not afraid of war is both an idiot and a liar.

    “But in Life and in History there are times when one is not permitted to be afraid. Times when being afraid is immoral and uncivilized. And those who evade this tragedy out of weakness or lack of courage or habitual fence–straddling strike me as masochists.

    “Masochists, yes, masochists.

    “Why? Do you want to talk about what you call the Contrast–between–the–Two–Cultures? Well, if you really must know, it bothers me to even talk about two cultures: to put them on the same plane as though they were two parallel realities of equal weight and equal measure. Because behind our civilization we have Homer, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Phydias, for God’s sake. We have ancient Greece with its Parthenon and its discovery of Democracy. We have ancient Rome with its greatness, its laws, its concept of Law. Its sculptures, its literature, its architecture. Its buildings, its amphitheaters, its aqueducts, its bridges and its roads.

    “We have a revolutionary, that Christ who died on the cross, who taught us (too bad if we didn’t learn it) the concept of love and of justice. Yes, I know, there’s also a Church that gave me the Inquisition. That tortured me and burned me a thousand times at the stake. That oppressed me for centuries, that for centuries forced me to sculpt and paint only Christs and Madonnas, that almost killed Galileo Galilei. Humiliated him, shut him up. But it also made a great contribution to the History of Thought: Yes or no?

    “And then behind our civilization we also have the Renaissance. We have Leonardo da Vinci, we have Michaelangelo, we have Raphael, we have the music of Bach and Mozart and Beethoven. And on and on through Rossini and Donizetti and Verdi and Company. That music without which we could not live and which is prohibited in their culture or supposed culture. God forbid you should whistle a tune or hum the chorus of Nabucco.

    “And finally we have Science, for God’s sake. A science that has understood a lot of diseases and that cures them. I am still alive, for now, thanks to our science. Not Mohammed’s. A science that has invented marvellous machines. The train, the car, the airplane, the spaceships with which we’ve gone to the Moon and Mars and soon will go who knows where. A science that has changed the face of this planet with electricity, the radio, the telephone, the TV, and by the way: is it true that the gurus of the left don’t want to say what I have just said?!? God, what pricks! They will never change.

    “And now the fatal question: what is behind the other culture? Damned if I know. …”.

    “So here’s my answer to your question on the Contrast–between–the–Two–Cultures: I say in this world there’s room for everyone. In your own home you can do whatever you want. And if in some countries the women are so stupid as to accept the chador, or rather the veil you peer out of through a close-meshed net at eye level, that’s their problem. If they are such birdbrains as to accept not going to school, not going to the doctor, not having their pictures taken, that’s their problem. If they are such idiots as to marry some asshole who wants four wives, that’s their problem.

    “If their men are so silly as not to drink beer or wine, ditto. Far be it from me to stand in their way. I was raised with the concept of liberty, I was, and my mother used to say: “Variety is what makes the world beautiful.”

    “But if they presume to impose the same things on me, in my home…And they do presume it. Osama Bin Laden says that the entire planet Earth must become Muslim, that we must convert to Islam, that he will convert us by fair means or foul, that this is why he massacres us and will continue to do so. And this can’t be pleasing to us. It can’t help but make us itch to turn the tables and kill him.

    “But this thing won’t end, won’t die out with the death of Osama Bin Laden. Because there are tens of thousands of Osama Bin Ladens by now, and they’re not only in Afghanistan or in other Arabic countries. They’re everywhere, and the most hardened ones are right in the Western world. In our cities, in our roads, in our universities, in the ganglions of technology. That technology that any dolt can handle.

    “The Crusade [that is, the Muslim Jihad – dda] has been in progress for some time. It works like a Swiss watch, sustained by a faith and a malice comparable only to the faith and malice of Torquemada when he led the Inquisition. The fact is that dealing with them is impossible. Reasoning, unthinkable. Treating them with indulgence, tolerance or hope, suicide. Whoever thinks differently is deluded….”

    (and re Muslim ‘migrants’ and ‘refugees’ entering Europe)

    “…there’s something else I don’t understand. If they’re really so poor, who’s giving them the money for the voyage by ship or rubber dinghy that brings them to Italy? Who gives them the ten million lira a head (at least ten million) necessary to buy the ticket? It’s not by any chance Osama Bin Laden looking to launch a conquest not only of souls, but of real estate?…”

    “I’m telling you that, for the very reason that our cultural identity is so precise and defined by so many centuries, it cannot sustain a wave of immigration composed of people who in one way or another want to change our way of life. Our values.

    “I’m telling you that we have no room for muezzins, for minarets, for false teetotalers, for their fucking Middle Ages, for their fucking chador.

    “And if we had room, I wouldn’t give it to them. Because it would be the equivalent of throwing away Dante Alighieri, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael, the Renaissance, the Risorgimento, the liberty that for better or worse we fought for and won, our Patria. It would mean giving them Italy. And I won’t give them Italy…”.

    THAT is the kind of speech that political leaders, all over the western world, should have given, within a few days of September 11 2001.

    None of them was brave enough.

    Only Geert Wilders is brave enough, at the moment.

    • TheBuffster says

      Sep 14, 2015 at 1:37 am

      Thanks for posting that, Dumbledoresarmy. Great stuff.

  45. Mirren10 says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 5:45 am

    *Brilliant* posts from nearly everyone on this thread. It makes me proud to stand with you all.

    NFSE !

  46. Vivek says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 9:16 am

    I believe everybody here is inclined to stress that islamic religion is cruel and evil. I have a question to christian followers as well – though you despise islam for its cruel crimes on humans, do you support cimes by humans on animals? How are humans justified slaughtering animals to MERELY add taste to their food? If human cult to kill animals for fun is allowed, why to hate islam to go one step ahead, and kill humans for their belief?

    • Raja says

      Sep 12, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      Vivek,

      God loves man and the animals too. Please read Jonah 4: 10 & 11 of the bible : Then the LORD said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight. Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?”

      The Jews it seems took good care of their animals, including on their day of rest(with complete rest) but the primary problem of man’s rebellion against God was the center of all God’s attention in the bible. God required animal sacrifice besides others as a shadow of Christ’s sacrifice to come. (when He was a God and man on earth).

      It is most probable that man was vegetarian before the flood of Noah’s time.it is also said that man does not have the teeth to tear flesh like the ones the tigers have (our canine teeth are no match for tiger’s teeth etc) Most recently God allowed man to eat whatever he wanted with ‘THANKS GIVING’. That was the Christian spirit.

      By the way, few are Christians in the West and most are moving to atheism and other philosophies like humanity etc.The West got its culture of individual freedom from Christianity as practiced in different dispensations.

      In the light of the above reasons West is generally opposed to the barbarity of Islam whether to man or animals.

      You may not agree with me that man is a special creation of God in the bible, though it can never be proven in any lab.

  47. sidney penny says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 10:23 am

    “I simply say: come up with the evidence for 9/11”;”

    “As Muslims, we are militant by nature”;

    “Jihad is our right”;

    “I am an ideologue of jihad”;

    http://indiafacts.co.in/did-hamid-gul-really-offer-india-peace/

    “For example, Gul stated the following over the course of years: “As Muslims, we are militant by nature”; “Jihad is our right”; “I am an ideologue of jihad”; “

    “As far as Al-Qaeda is concerned, I simply say: come up with the evidence for 9/11”; “The Americans are more and more inclined – because the U.S. military cannot sustain its casualties – to employ mercenaries”; “The Taliban are Afghanistan’s future, and the Americans its past”; “I had a detailed meeting with [Afghan Taliban commander Jalaluddin Haqqani]. I said that the Shariah system would be implemented in Afghanistan.”

    “Hamid Gul also stated: “I said from day one that it is a Crusade war. Americans are fighting it as a religious war”; “Americans have become fanatic against Islam and are not ready to tolerate even our Koran, Kaaba, and Medina”; “China will be the biggest beneficiary when U.S. troops leave the region.

    “On the other hand, Islamic forces are also moving to confront India”; “Two states came into existence in 1947 and 1948: one, Pakistan; two, Israel… Ultimately, only one of them will survive”;

    “American actor, Mel Gibson, said that the Jews caused all the wars… The Jews have always caused the wars”; “Our basic war is against… the so-called state of Israel.”

    And what does Robert Spencer say:: Jihadwatch is my right.!

  48. Renee says

    Sep 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm

    9-11-2015: crane falls on most important mosque in Mecca.

  49. Caruso says

    Sep 13, 2015 at 2:33 am

    After 14 years, it is time that we face the fact that George W. Bush and his machine made themselves willing accessories after the fact in a much larger crime: rendering aid and comfort to America’s enemies in the Islamic World, principally Saudi Arabia.
    It would be nice if one could really believe that George W. Bush’s vigorous “Islam is a Religion of Peace” campaign was a – perhaps misguided – attempt to do the best he could in hectic and confusing times. Sadly, hindsight lends little support to this view. It is important to note that some 70% of Muslims living in the U.S. arrived after 9/11.

    In particular, the Iraq war now seems to have been little more than a noisy displacement activity as a substitute for what should have been the nuking of Riyadh and drastic action to bring Mecca and Medina back under Turkish control. It now appears that the Bush clan have been de facto Saudi consiglieres for decades.

    There are really two distinct layers of the 9/11 crime. The immediate crime – bringing down the Twin Towers, attacking the Pentagon and UA-93 appears to have been committed by a group of dedicated terrorists coordinated by Muhammad Atta. There was clear and significant involvement in the immediate attack by members of the Saudi royal family and other influential Saudis. The immediate 9/11 actions concluded on 9/11/2001 or shortly thereafter.

    The much larger ideological/propaganda war to undermine American values and soften up the American body politic for opportunistic infiltration by Muslim activism (including its paid or perverted agents of influence) started decades ago but was drastically ramped up immediately after 9/11. The campaign was likely prepared long in advance. The principal aim is to leverage the shock and revulsion triggered by 9/11 to – conversely – initiate a new, high-profile phase in a long-range strategy aimed at taking control of all levers of political and social control while undermining, silencing or at least muffling critical voices.

    The ideological war relies in substantial part on a conscious symbiosis of totalitarian leftists and hard-nosed Islamic operatives based in Saudi Arabia. Of course, these forces scored a major victory with the election of “Barack Hussein Obama” and have been redoubling their efforts now.

    Some aspects of the new phase of Islam’s jihad against the West remain puzzling. For example, it is obvious that there has been significant Iranian involvement in undermining the U.S. as we know it. It is not clear to what extent Saudi Arabia’s Sunni regime cooperates with the Shiite Mullahs in Iran in relation to their respective projects aimed at subjecting the West to their vision. It is known, for example, that al-Qaeda maintained a fruitful working relationship with Iran where one of Osama bin Laden’s sons lived for some years.

    Similarly, it is not clear to what extent fighting among Islamic State (IS), Al-Nusra Front, Assad’s Syrian government, Iran, the U.S., Russia etc. obscures simultaneous cooperative relationships between some of these players, particularly in relation to overt and covert operations in the U.S. and Western Europe.

    • kay says

      Sep 13, 2015 at 4:42 am

      Re: ” It is not clear to what extent Saudi Arabia’s Sunni regime cooperates with the Shiite Mullahs in Iran in relation to their respective projects…”

      Ans: Zero percent. The Saudis want to wipe out the Shia, meaning Iran.
      They can’t do that. But they did fund Islamic State to clobber the Shia in Iraq.

      Islamic State is a weapon. A weapon the Saudis helped develop. There were several reasons. One was to fight the Shia. The other was to take Damascus and wipe out the Alawites et. al.

  50. Moongara says

    Sep 13, 2015 at 4:12 am

    As a society we have learned nothing…or at least the lesson hasn’t stuck.

    I have learned that there are still monsters in the world, monsters every bit as fearsome as the ones I read about in books on World War 2 but this time there is no Allied army to defeat them. I have also learned that our political class has no true self preservation instincts and that common sense is truly dead in DC.

  51. renee says

    Sep 13, 2015 at 10:50 am

    Interesting: 9-11-2015
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca_crane_collapse

  52. ebonystone says

    Sep 13, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    Within a couple of days after Pearl Harbor, the U.S. had declared war on Japan, with only one (I think) dissenting vote in Congress, and virtually all the isolationists and America-Firsters had joined in support of the war.
    Fourteen years after the Twin Towers we still refuse to recognize and name our enemy, we have allowed hundreds of thousands of the enemy into the country, we follow energy policies designed to continue to enrich the Persian Gulf financiers and sponsors of our enemy, and we have made only a few half-hearted efforts to actually fight any elements of the enemy.
    Imagine if in late 1955 our total military efforts against the Japanese had been to take back Guadalcanal, had our submarines torpedo a few Japanese ships, and had our planes bomb a few Japanese-held islands. Then imagine that we were still trading with Japan, shipping them oil and scrap metal, etc.; and that we had allowed half a million Japanese immigrants; and that we were pressuring China, France, Britain, and the Netherlands to recognize the Japanese conquest of their territories. And then imagine that one of our major political parties and our President were arguing that we were being too rough, and making too many demands on the Japanese.
    America, WTF has happened to you since 1941?

    • Raja says

      Sep 14, 2015 at 8:21 am

      ebonystone,

      Your illustration of 1955 made an interesting and valid read.

      You had a president who had huge business interest in Persian Gulf/middle east. It was obvious to all and sundry that everything he uttered and did would be against the man on the streets of US and the rest of the world.

      I wonder what is the wisdom in electing a president whose first priority would be to PROTECT his business interest,(because of sheer size) than national interest. This too is a flaw in the system or a kind of corruption.

      This also proves that the elections in US can be game changers. Only a few democracies and a few rogue states can match that. And the Jihadists are constantly eyeing that slot by hook or by crook.

  53. j_not_a says

    Sep 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Something I am going to say that may be a little off the beaten track. If nine eleven was “an inside job” I really hate that term, I would think to pull that off – there would have had to be hundreds and hundreds of people, mostly American people, a fairly good amount of ordinary people, involved and in on this. Logistically a nightmare to get all of these people to cooperate flawlessly for months if not years, and you would think that of all of them, at least a few, after realizing the damage and carnage caused, would with a guilty conscience, come forward and confess what they had done. But no one has, not a single one. ‘Troofers” are seriously deluded mentally deranged who do not posess logical thinking process.

    • kay says

      Sep 13, 2015 at 9:40 pm

      Re j_not_a: “But no one has, not a single one.”
      —————
      You’re completely correct. And it is totally valid. These “truthers” are completely deluded in SEVERAL ways. And one of the main ways they are deluded is to claim that Some Unspecified Party organized some STILL undiscovered huge plot and pulled the trigger.
      It’s a simple argument. Who the bloody hell are they trying to accuse? To make an accusation is to make a specific accusation against persons or groups. I myself have dealt with a truther on a major political blog. He’s been going on with this nonsense for years and years. I gave the background from Wikipedia and the Bin Laden confession.

      The general claim comes down to a specific charge: that there are somehow evil and murderous people in the federal government who like destroying a big chunk of New York City and a big chunk of the Pentagon. And that jihadis did not do the deed.

      So the answer here is very simple. We just need people who have common sense, who are trained in the basics of critical thinking and rhetoric, and then we hammer these idiots and humiliate them on their own social media threads until they flee to crawl under rocks and disappear from public view. We also leverage their social outreach to put forward the real story in place of their false nonsensical rubbish PSEUDO-stories.
      It’s all just teachable moments. Beat these idiots on their own ground. I’ve done that for 9/11. I am part of the 9/11 conversation just as of this year. Didn’t know it was still going on in 2015, and on two venues. Strangely enough, this garbage and nonsense has been part of the frontline. Everywhere is the frontline these days.

      And the frontline involves tons of confusion, cluelessness, idiocy, nonsense, irrationality, delusion, victim-blaming and dishonesty. So we have to put forward a clear story and break all the false narratives and even delusional pseudo-narratives. Adn that’s a lotta work. So, take initiative. Hammer on these fools.
      They went Full Retard. Make them pay!

  54. lisacolorado says

    Sep 14, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    I was going to hate this article until I read it all.

  55. PRCS says

    Sep 15, 2015 at 10:54 am

    test test

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