Their streets indeed. Hardly anyone is contesting that, least of all the British government. “VIDEO: Muslim Protesters Clash With Rotherham Police,” by Liam Deacon, Breitbart, September 6, 2015 (thanks to Fjordman):
A “Rotherham Unites Muslim Lives Matter” rally descended into a riot yesterday afternoon. Two separate demonstrations were organised in the town that day; one by the group Britain First against Islamic rape gangs that proliferate in the town, and the other a so-called counter demonstration.
Police estimate around 150 Britain First protestors turned up, as well as 300 Unite Against Fascism activists and many more demonstrators from the local Muslim community.
Britain First made their way from the train station to the town hall to sing songs. The Muslim Lives Matter demonstration marched through the centre of town with signs displaying the UNITE union’s logo and others reading “No To Nazis” and “Never Again.”
In the first video (below), the Rotherham Unites Muslim Lives Matter demonstration can be seem chanting “Who’s Streets? Our streets!” and “Enough is enough; Muslim Live Matter!”
The group appears to have taken inspiration from the American “Black Live Matter” campaign.
Both initial demonstrations passed off without incident, however, smaller factions engaged in violence after the main event and two people were arrested on suspicion of assault and one for being drunk and disorderly.
Chief superintendent Rob Odell, who led the policing operation, told the Sheffield Star: “After lengthy planning and preparation for two opposing protests in the centre of Rotherham, the events passed smoothly.
“As the groups dispersed there was a pocket of disorder which was dealt with by officers at the scene.”
The videos below [one embedded above; the other has been removed] show what appears to be young Asian men throwing missiles at police in what has been described as a “riot” in the Wellgate area of Rotherham. People became trapped in an adjacent pub, which was described as “under attack.”
Alissa says
There’s going to be civil war throughout the UK and Europe. I give it another year. Three at the most.
ECAW says
I think you’re right, at least either civil war or an acceptance of subjugation and a descent into a new dark age.
I had thought the issue would become critical in 20 years, then 10, then 5 but, with the current suicidal welcoming of Muslims across the Mediterranean, the decision point keeps getting closer.
Marty says
I think civil war is inevitable, but it will not come for 20 years.
As they outbreed us & steadily destroy our hard won freedoms,
the millions of unemployed or poorly housed indigenes will
attack muslim institutions, & the politically correct police will
take the invaders’ side.
The story above is a very minor matter & such events take place on
a regular basis, but are not nationally reported.
voegelinian says
Nonense, One year to three years is being out of touch with reality. More like 50. But a lot can happen in the meantime to avert such a catastrophe (the West could over those decades wake up sufficiently — facilitated by the opposing vector of Muslims getting increasingly horribly worse — to bypass the Counter-Jihad Softies and actually begin deportation of all Muslims).
voegelinian says
And by the way, “civil war” by definition is internecine — a fight among family. Muslims are not part of the Western family, so any violent conflict & confrontation they provoke inside the West would not technically be a civil war, but simply a war waged by enemies whom we have stupidly let inside the gates.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“bypass the Counter-Jihad Softies and actually begin deportation of all Muslims”
Right, because it’s the “Counter-Jihad Softies” who are preventing you from pushing muslims from an airplane flying over Sudan…
Jovial Joe says
Another video of the muslim Nazi ‘Anti-Nazis’: https://thisisengland.org.uk/videorotherham-riots-raw-footage-of-muslims-attacking-peaceful-britain-first-parade/
Jovial Joe says
Where are the police dog units, that’s what I want to know, and water cannon filled with pig’s blood. That would clear the scum off ‘their streets’.
Mark says
Good idea. I like it
Judi says
Jovial Joe – the police were out in full force as BritainFirst were rallying. I watched it on RT. I think there must have been one cop for every patriot.
abad says
I like that idea, too. In fact – yeah – hoses dispersing water laced with pig’s blood on them is the best idea ever.
jr says
How does the royal family tolerate this?
s.c. says
Don’t they tolerate what they are told to tolerate?
It’s a good gig, would you want to lose it?
kay says
Here is the new ( relocated ) web page for Britain First:
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst
The web site has much more on this specific Rotherham march. Britain First claims they had near to one thousand show up. Police claim a maximum of one hundred fifty. From the video ( below ) I estimate at least four hundred and possibly five hundred. These numbers will soon swell.
Almost 1,000 Britain First patriots march in Rotherham
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJGLHgD_dQY
“These police who turned out today should have turned out in force sixteen years ago!”
PAUL GOLDING PROVIDES AN UPDATE ON THE OUTRAGEOUS SITUATION WITH ROTHERHAM POLICE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVrJEMgEHI
Justice for the 1,400 victims of Rotherham!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m8BmJBPcJE
The Rotherham police station did everything wrong. If a Rotherham police officer, I’d want to crawl under a rock and die of shame: they have negative one hundred percent credibility. See Wikipedia for the Rotherham and Oxfordshire sex ring / grooming scandals.
Muslims protesting in London streets demanding Britain to convert to Islamic state
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ay0PQuIXZ4
This is all early stage cultural jihad. The brand new London video shows that the Islamist Brit Sharia supporters are much bolder than I expected. They are ramping up quickly and aggressively in public. This show of strength is a very bad sign. They show their hand very early: they are here to subjugate Britain. And the Islamists have concrete support from the leftists, from the police, and from the government attempts to “control the situation”. This is all a recipe for disaster.
As I said before, if you keep advancing on a lion, it will back up until it is close to a wall, but then it will come out and take on all attackers until the issue is decided.
There will be no compromise here. There is no third alternative. What will come is fighting in the streets of Europe. It’s just going to happen years earlier than I expected. The current events in Rotherham and London are real evidence of that. Europe is in big trouble and things will get much worse. Rotherham and London are now frontline areas, just like Paris. 2015 is a critical year.
Please share these links and videos widely! And Save The Children.
Dave J says
Considering the murder count shouldn’t it be “Infidel Lives Matter”?
BTW, I don’t see calls for Muslims to be raped, enslaved or murdered, like they preach, just to please go to a country that endorses your bizarre beliefs. Or wake up from your brainwashed zombie state of mind and start applying reason and compassion to the world around you.
Teresa says
They do not believe in using reason. During the Safavid dynasty (1501-1736) one of the changes that came about was “the growth of the Akhbari School which preached that only the Quran, hadith are to be bases for verdicts, rejecting the use of reasoning.” They are blind fanatical followers who don’t give a pig’s patoot about the discrepancies in the Qur’an.
Teresa says
Muslims do not believe in using reason or logic. During the Safavid dynasty (1501-1736) one of the changes that came about was “The growth of the Akhbari School which preached that only the Quran, hadith are to be bases for verdicts, rejecting the use of reasoning.” (Wikipedia, Shia Islam >History >Fatimid Caliphate) The’re blind fanatics who don’t give a pig’s patoot about the blatant discrepancies in the Qur’an.
somehistory says
The video looks like it came from a muslim country, such as pakistan except that the clothing is Western.
Beastly behavior from a beastly bunch of worshippers of the beast, islam. Unfortunately, it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Thomas says
The end of western civilization is near. This is America in the next decade thanks to all the “refugees” that have no tolerance for western society. It should be clear to anyone who understands Islam that they are out to Islamize the world.
Jay Boo says
Wrong again Thomas.
The end of Islamic civilization is near.
Howl at the moon Muslims are witnessing their supremacist Arabic Spring hopes ripping apart at the seams.
Islam is founded on double-speak duplicity.
One verse is to make Islam appear as an honorable religion.
A complimentary verse condones thieving, raping, and murder
In other words, Islam is like a clean white robe over diarrhea stained underwear.
Islam’s moon has two faces for duplicity.
Like the dry, barren (and dimly lit) moon that stalks our earth in circles at night, Islam tries to steal all the credit from the sun’s reflected light.
Islam’s waning crescent lurks in the dead of night, the moon always hides one face from our view and then it disappears in the clear daylight.
cs says
So the muzzies and the left is protesting in favor of the child grooming, interesting to know.
cheryl s. says
Europe is a HUGE tourist destination for Americans as well as other westernized countries.
What person in their right mind would ever want to go to Europe for vacation now?
This is the fault of government for allowing even one muslim to enter their country.
For the people who own businesses like small restaurants, boutique hotels that rely on the tourist dollar, this is awful. It is the end for them.
kay says
Re: “Europe is a HUGE tourist destination for Americans as well as other westernized countries.
What person in their right mind would ever want to go to Europe for vacation now?”
You make an excellent point. Expect far less American travel to Europe next year and following years as the situation gets worse. I forgot about that, but it’s very important.
No doubt Egypt and Tunisia and Turkey are finished in the tourist trade. And Europe will be badly hurt from this time forward.
The politicians didn’t think about this aspect did they? London is looking really ugly, and we yanks love London. Or did.
Once again…
Muslims protesting in London streets demanding Britain to convert to Islamic state
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ay0PQuIXZ4
What a nightmare. Why are the Brit politicians letting all these bad things happen? The indigenous Brits don’t want any of this. And they are getting hammered from several directions.
First thing is to oppose the political / multicultural left.
I spent two hours today hammering on the bad guys over at youtube.
AND I made references to this specific link and the London video and Brtain First.
I initially saw videos of Britain First about four months ago.
Now it’s show time! Tensions will rise rapidly. Things will get ugly. The police are screwing up completely. This is a recipe for disaster.
Which means my outreach work becomes more and more important. I can only type so fast.
DiMu says
You’re right! I have cancelled my trip!
Mirren10 says
This is the beginning. There will be more and more of this, and worse.
And camoron is going to let in thousands more.
Peggy says
So do you think that the Brits will vote for him again? He did well in the last election.
How many years is it going to take for the Average Brit to wake up?
gravenimage says
Peggy, remember that the alternative was *even worse*.
Peggy says
Yes, the other guys was going to finish the job faster. Problem is that both parties are on the same page when it comes to Muslims. They will allow this transformation of UK. Conservatives will just take a little longer.
I really hope and pray that other parties are going to get more and more popular. Good people of UK are going to have to stop voting for these traitors and start supporting parties dedicated to fixing this. I know it’s extremely hard when media is against the people too and have drummed it into their heads that any opposition to Islam is considered racism. It’s up to people like the ones here to keep spreading the word and get the message through.
We need to succeed. Our future depends on it.
Rezali Mehil says
Salaam Graven,
How is the Mother-in-Law?…still ticking away…you know I deeply care.
You know it does not really matter which party is in power …it really doesn’t. What will happen is all Allah’s will ..kuffar has simply not grasped this concept…but I don’t understand why …it is all around you…and you choose to ignore.
At any rate I saw a debate on Sky where Julia hartley-brewer…normally a hard hitting columnist ….almost came to blows with another chap who was asking for stricter border controls….Julia was saying …no..No NO… we need to help as many refugees as we can …let them keep coming …also we need to bomb ISIL and remove Assad….Julia has no concept of the noor of Islam…so there.
If Corbin comes in Labour leader …which he will …there is going to be a no vote on further bombing …and a yes vote to keep the refugees coming in …and there are 22 million refugees remaining.
Soon …you will see …trains being reserved to pick them up too …all sunnis and the odd shia.
Hope this helps to clarify matters …please I need to remain humble…so no thanking me… only praise Allah SWT.
More Later …
Rezali
ECAW says
Ah, there’s the real, poisonous Rezali.
That’s a relief. We missed you.
gravenimage says
True, Peggy–we need new leaders. I think things are *slowly* starting to change in this regard–the only question is whether it will happen soon enough.
gravenimage says
The vicious Rezali Mehil wrote:
Salaam Graven,
How is the Mother-in-Law?…still ticking away…you know I deeply care.
…………………………….
Ever since I mentioned that my elderly Mother-in-law was ailing, the nasty Rezali Mehil has been sneering about it. This should come as no surprise–this is how her coreligionists treat aged and vulnerable Infidels:
“UK: Woman beheaded in broad daylight by machete-wielding Muslim, police rule out terrorism”
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/uk-woman-beheaded-in-broad-daylight-by-machete-wielding-muslim-police-rule-out-terrorism
More:
You know it does not really matter which party is in power …it really doesn’t. What will happen is all Allah’s will ..kuffar has simply not grasped this concept…but I don’t understand why …it is all around you…and you choose to ignore.
…………………………….
Gee–was it “Allah’s will” when we beat back the threat of Islam for so many centuries? Was it “Allah’s will” when we reclaimed Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Greece, and the Balkans from ravening Muslims? Was it “Allah’s will” when we reclaimed *Israel*? D’oh..
More:
At any rate I saw a debate on Sky where Julia hartley-brewer…normally a hard hitting columnist ….almost came to blows with another chap who was asking for stricter border controls….Julia was saying …no..No NO… we need to help as many refugees as we can …let them keep coming …also we need to bomb ISIL and remove Assad….Julia has no concept of the noor of Islam…so there.
…………………………….
Notice that Muslims have no respect for foolish Infidels who are enabling them. This will, no doubt, come as a surprise to well-meaning but clueless Kuffar like Julia Hartley-Brewer.
Notice, further, that the appalling Rezali Mehil is actually *sneering* at this woman’s compassion for her coreligionists. And why not? There is no compassion in Islam, not even for their fellow Muslims–just a sense of whether something serves the vicious creed of Islam or not.
And what is the “Noor” (light) of Islam? Something where pious Muslims are enslaving and mass-murdering Infidels, “heretics”, “apostates”, and the “insufficiently Islamic”–including Rezali Mehil’s fellow Shia. But even genocide against her own people does not keep this pious Muslimah from gloating over Islam’s threat to the West.
More:
If Corbin comes in Labour leader …which he will …there is going to be a no vote on further bombing …and a yes vote to keep the refugees coming in …and there are 22 million refugees remaining.
…………………………….
Rezali Mehil doesn’t even have enough respect to spell Jeremy Corbyn’s name correctly. And why should she? Even though he describes Hamas as “friends”, she knows he is just another foolish dhimmi.
More:
Soon …you will see …trains being reserved to pick them up too …all sunnis and the odd shia.
Hope this helps to clarify matters …please I need to remain humble…so no thanking me… only praise Allah SWT.
…………………………….
If anyone here still doubts that this “refugee crisis” is a Hijira, reading this pious Mohammedan’s gloating response may give them pause. Clearly she knows that this is an invasion, and heartily approves.
Western Canadian says
Nothing better can be expected from a devout muslim….. They are the lowest sub-animal wretches to ever defile this beautiful and bountiful planet. Everywhere that islam (RTC) takes control, the result is civilization, freedom, love, are all destroyed, and replaced by the vile criminality called islam (RTC). Just as its unholy book and hate filled traditions give off a stench of hatred and viciousness, this sick abused woman or her even sicker male abuser, offer nothing but the hatred and viciousness that is islam (RTC). I am not much on preying (not being much of a believer), but I will off up such for your ailing and no doubt much loved mother in law. Good luck to you.
Western Canadian says
Actually, I’m not much on either preying or praying….. Good luck to your much loved mom in law.
gravenimage says
Thank you, Western Canadian. That means a lot to me.
Mirren10 says
Peggy, UKIP got *4 million* votes in May, but only *one* seat. This is because of our iniquitous ‘first past the post system.
We badly need electoral reform.
http://www.westerngazette.co.uk/8203-VOTES-SEAT-4-million-votes-UKIP-seat-just-35/story-26474728-detail/story.html
Peggy says
Whatever it takes. It must be fixed.
How many votes did Cameron get then? I am just curious because they say he won convincingly.
Wouldn’t it be great if nobody voted for either party but for parties like UKIP. Obviously there are still a lot of people asleep. We have to keep trying to wake them up.
Paul says
Britain First said that about 1,000 patriots turned up to demonstrate, whereas
the left-wing press stated that about 150 turned up. The same press, let’s not
forget, that labelled them “far-right”. What on earth is “far-right” about protesting
against devout Muhammadan paedophiles raping little kids? The press have an
agenda in trying to play down the extent of anger and disgust at the injustice
of this, just like the creepy paedophile communists that protest alongside their
Muhammadan comrades. Oh, and Britain First’s website is down. Looks like
someone has hit a nerve.
kay says
Hi Paul.
I just checked. The official Britain First web presence is up.
See
Here is the new ( relocated ) web page for Britain First:
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialBritainFirst
The web site has much more on this specific Rotherham march. They are doing a really good job.
—————
I gave this info above. Plus several links. It’s all on youtube.
Paul says
Cheers Kay 🙂
Charli Main says
Paul
There are a significant number of immigrants that love Britain as much as you do. People of all skin colours that call Britain the Motherland. They are just as loyal as you are but deeply hurt, because they are not regarded as British because they are black or brown. Being British is a state of heart and mind not just skin colour. Why won´t Britain First welcome these folk, whose loyalty to Britain is beyond doubt ????
ECAW says
“Being British is a state of heart and mind not just skin colour. Why won´t Britain First welcome these folk, whose loyalty to Britain is beyond doubt ????”
Don’t they? I didn’t know. Can’t say I’m surprised though.
The EDL do. They also have a Sikh division and a Gay division. They even had a Guardian Readers Division until Facebook got to hear about it.
Paul says
Hi Charli, from what I’ve seen Britain First seem to have quite a
number of members from ethnic minority backgrounds, which is
great. Lying leftists try to make out that it’s all about “race”, when
they know it’s everything to do with religion. After they were slandered
as being “racist” by some ‘comedian’, Britain First announced on
their site that ethnic minority members were welcome to join,
including Sikhs, Hindus and Pakistani Christians who themselves have
suffered so much at the hands of Muhammadanism. If they have an
issue with anyone, it’s with traitorous white cultural marxists who align
themselves with islamists.
voegelinian says
What on earth is “far-right” about protesting
against devout Muhammadan paedophiles raping little kids?
Because the Muslims are perceived to be an Ethnic People, it automatically, axiomatically makes any overt condemnation of them “far right” and “racist”.
Two factors are at play here — 1) the perceived ethnicity of Muslims, and 2) their willingness to be violent on an astronomic and networked level. These two factors combined, in synergy, explain why the mainstream PC MCs throw other ethnic groups and other minority liberal causes under the bus, should they ever come in conflict with what has become the #1 Minority Grievance-Mongers, Muslims.
(Apparently after explaining this twice to Mirren, she still can’t get it; but hasn’t offered any alternative explanation for what obviously has been happening on a massive scale throughout the West…)
Paul says
Jihadis beheading Nigerian Christians for the crime of not being
Muhammadans ; jihadi filth setting fire to Coptic churches in Egypt ;
the appalling treatment of Pakistani Christians in a country which,
sadly, is predominantly Muhammadan ; uighur Muhammadans causing
trouble in China ; Chechen Muhammadans and the Beslan atrocity etc.
In spite of this and countless other examples of how Muhammadanism
has poisoned the brains of people of all different nations colours and
languages and is responsible for the deaths of many more of the same
demographics, you’ll never ever convince ‘progressive’ lefties that this
has nothing to do with ‘race’. The truth, logic and stone cold indisputable
facts are not ‘progressive’ in their Orwellian bubble. They’ll never admit
they’re wrong or have any compassion for the victims. They are completely
complicit. There’s no excuse whatsoever.
Incek Mahallesi says
Voegelinian:
“These two factors combined, in synergy, explain why the mainstream PC MCs throw other ethnic groups and other minority liberal causes under the bus, should they ever come in conflict with what has become the #1 Minority Grievance-Mongers, Muslims.”
False. It’s been proven false several times, but we know that you simply ignore the logical fallacies that you spew here, such as the one above.
If those PCMCs throw “other ethnic groups and minority groups under the bus”, why is it that those very same PCMCs have given BROWN, CATHOLIC MEXICANS a pass, a well as the Muslims when it comes to say, massive immigration, legal or illegal?
You’ve never answered this and you never will, because you can’t.
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This is a hallmark of insanity – doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You also believe strongly in the, “if I say it enough, it’ll eventually hold water” theory of persuasion.
Doesn’t cut it with this poster, and for you to suggest that Mirren is too weak-minded to understand your logical fallacies, well, then, one would have to conclude that you are simply looking for attention – ANY kind of attention…good or bad, or that you are insane.
Readers can take their pick, or conclude that both are true. Either way, you come up with dribble on your chin.
Incek Mahallesi says
The simple truth of the matter is that the PCMCs are the Democratic party, who don’t give a hoot about ethnicity or religious persuasion, just as long as it’s not Christians…why? Because they want a permanent base of voters. They’ll take the illegal Mexicans, and they’ll take the Muslims – doesn’t matter. They’ll take those other “ethnic peoples” as well, just as long as those peoples can be assured of casting their votes for the Democrats. Hence the support of Black Lives Matter (another “ethnic minority” or the Nation of Islam, etc., etc., etc.)
But of course, Voegelinian will refuse to concede his logical fallacy because he just simply cannot think very well, and when challenged by, say, Angemon or other posters, ALWAYS ignores those comments and simply plows on ahead, believing fervently in his nonsense and refusing to defend it. Why? He can’t.
voegelinian says
Incek Mahallesi’s complaint evidently didn’t factor in my phrase (which he even quoted) — “should they ever come in conflict with …Muslims”. Yes, PC MCs do bend over to placate non-Muslim ethnic minorities, like Hispanic illegal immigrants, etc. But the immigration issue from south of the border has not come into conflict with Muslims, where the PC MCs have to decide which to favor. Jihad Watch over the years, however, has documented a mountain of incidents and events indicating the preference for Muslims when their grievances in one way or another come in conflict with “liberal” causes and minorities. One massive indication of this has been pointed out by, among others. Raymond Ibrahim — namely, that the recent victims of Mohammedan mayhem throughout the Middle East and N. Africa have been brown and black Christians — and STILL the PC MCs turn a blind eye to the plight of these brown and black Christians.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Incek Mahallesi’s complaint evidently didn’t factor in my phrase (which he even quoted) — “should they ever come in conflict with …Muslims”. Yes, PC MCs do bend over to placate non-Muslim ethnic minorities, like Hispanic illegal immigrants, etc. But the immigration issue from south of the border has not come into conflict with Muslims, where the PC MCs have to decide which to favor.”
You’re not adding anything to the conversation, you’re just trying to muddy the waters. You claim that muslims are favored as “ethnic people” because of their a) perceived ethnicity and b) propensity to violence. Claiming that other “ethnic people” are also favored unless they come face to face with muslims doesn’t answer the question: why is it, according to your theory, that muslims are favored above other groups? Why are muslims favored over, for example, Mexican drug cartels, mostly composed of non-white, non-(Protestant) Christians prompt to extreme violence?
“Jihad Watch over the years, however, has documented a mountain of incidents and events indicating the preference for Muslims when their grievances in one way or another come in conflict with “liberal” causes and minorities.”
Again, this doesn’t explain the “why”. Why, according to your theory, are muslims favored above other minorities?
“One massive indication of this has been pointed out by, among others. Raymond Ibrahim — namely, that the recent victims of Mohammedan mayhem throughout the Middle East and N. Africa have been brown and black Christians — and STILL the PC MCs turn a blind eye to the plight of these brown and black Christians.”
Huh, you do realize that you’re actually arguing against your theory now, right?
Incek Mahallesi says
Voegelinian:
“Incek Mahallesi’s complaint evidently didn’t factor in my phrase (which he even quoted) — “should they ever come in conflict with …Muslims”. Yes, PC MCs do bend over to placate non-Muslim ethnic minorities, like Hispanic illegal immigrants, etc. But the immigration issue from south of the border has not come into conflict with Muslims…”
And evidently, Voegelinian doesn’t keep up with the news very well – and/or he simply chooses to, simply, ignore that which blows his theory out of the water:
http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/nightmare-border-isis-mexican-cartels-teaming/
“As reported by Breitbart, “Former CIA covert operations officer Mike Baker said that he believes there is “a lot of communication” between ISIS and Mexican drug cartels given past efforts by al-Qaida to do likewise on Thursday’s “Laura Ingraham Show.” “We’ve had good intel over the years about al-Qaida, about their efforts to coordinate with, as an example, Mexican cartels…in an effort to try to exploit our southern border” he reported, adding that a terrorist group like ISIS “absolutely” knows about the lack of security on the border.”
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So – again – illegal immigration by Mexicans HAS COME INTO CONTACT with the “Muslim issue”, yet those Brown Mexican “ethnic peoples” are still given a pass by those mysterious PCMCs, just as they supposedly do with those Brown Muslims.
Theory debunked – yet again.
Try to read the news from time to time, Voeg. And come up with a better theory than your Brown People albatross.
gravenimage says
Actually, there *is* a perceived element of race in charges of “Islamophobia”–the idea that Islam is linked to “people of color”, and hence it is racist to oppose it–while Christianity is considered a “white” religion, despite the fact that so many adherents are people of color themselves.
There is also an odd hierarchy of “political correctness” where violent Muslims score higher than do, say, hard-working, non-violent east Asians who excel at high tech.
Incek Mahallesi says
GI:
“Actually, there *is* a perceived element of race in charges of “Islamophobia”–the idea that Islam is linked to “people of color”, and hence it is racist to oppose it…”
Well, yes – but that’s not Voeg’s argument. His argument states that PCMCs (who, by the way, come in all shapes, sizes and colors) give Islam a pass because Muslims are “perceived” to be an “ethnic people” – a “brown people”, though as we well know, Islam is practiced by all colors.
The people who are linking race and charges of Islamophobia ARE THE MUSLIMS, THEMSELVES, not the PCMCs who, allegedly, are giving them the pass.
Your implied support of Voeg’s faulty premises and flawed argument (based on the words you wrote above) actually serves to perpetuate and falsely strengthen the illogic present in his claims. I have made this very clear in my posts above.
1.) Voeg insists that Islam gets a pass because Muslims are perceived to be “Brown People”.
2.) If that is the case, why are brown Mexican Catholics not given a pass on their Christian beliefs? Why, in fact, is Christianity under assault by those same PCMCs, though those very same Mexicans are given a pass on their illegal residency status in, for example, the States?
It doesn’t add up, GI, and the simple reason is that the premises are flawed, and more importantly, that Voeg (and you, apparently) simply chooses to ignore the political aspect of all of this; and that is EXACTLY as I have described above, vis a vis the Democratic Party seeking a permanent voter base, regardless of color or creed (with the exception of Christians, who vote overwhelmingly Republican, regardless of their color).
See Daniel Greenfield’s latest video on this site (it is up now) to glean some clarity with regard to “refugees” from Syria, as well as the Mexican problem of illegal immigration. It will clear the fog that you have unwittingly allowed to invade your usually discerning level of logic; it seems to have escaped you; you almost automatically parrot the extremely weak theory of Voeg’s. I have debunked it – very clearly, and my logic is unassailable.
Try if you like, but I am quite sure that I am absolutely correct in this matter, and Voeg’s “theory” is complete hogwash.
This all is due to slimy politics – not perceived ethnicity.
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Hope all is well with you, GI.
Best Wishes,
IM
Incek Mahallesi says
IM:
“The people who are linking race and charges of Islamophobia ARE THE MUSLIMS, THEMSELVES, not the PCMCs who, allegedly, are giving them the pass.”
I can almost “hear” Voeg, now, attempting to weasel on these words of mine; that there are WHITE PCMCs who, also, make charges of Islamophobia!
But that isn’t because they really believe that.
It’s because (at least, in the USA) those PCMCs are “progressives” – Democrats – who will latch on to ANY meme, as long as the end is “justified” in their addled minds – EXCEPT to give Christians a pass, regardless of their ethnicity. Hence, the absolute silence on their part when it comes to defending those “black Christians in Africa and the Middle East” that Voeg (in desperation) brought up, and which ( I have shown) actually DEFEATS his “theory”.
The Christian aspect is EXACTLY where the logic falls apart, and where the real, political agenda comes to the forefront in all of its ugliness.
voegelinian says
It’s staggering, astounding, surreal that two assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watchers like Angemon and Incek can be so fucking blind to this major dimension — perhaps the major factor — of the Problem of the Problem (i.e., of the Problem of the West’s ongoing myopia to the problem of Islam).
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“It’s staggering, astounding, surreal that two assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watchers like Angemon and Incek can be so fucking blind to this major dimension — perhaps the major factor — of the Problem of the Problem (i.e., of the Problem of the West’s ongoing myopia to the problem of Islam).”
The only surreal thing taking place here is the lengths and hops you go through to avoid answering critics. For example, you’re calling me a “ assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watcher” even though you’ve called me an “pro-muslim troll” and accused me of defending muslims – I guess my status on your eyes is context dependent: if you think you can gather pity attention by claiming I’m pro-muslim then you call me pro-muslim. If you think you can get away from criticism by calling me a assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watcher then you call me a assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watcher.
Are you going to answer any of our criticism or just piss on us, peons, from the top of your pedestal?
Incek Mahallesi says
Voeg:
“It’s staggering, astounding, surreal that two assiduously anti-Islam veteran Jihad Watchers like Angemon and Incek can be so fucking blind…”
Wow. Just wow. There truly is no end to the insanity that governs – seemingly – your every word here. To suggest that A and myself are not aware of this myopia you speak of is to both show the shallowness of your thinking and the depths to which you will go to avoid answering the real, and significant questions we have regarding your flawed theories.
Take a hint, Doc – stop generalizing so much, and read Rousseau, Hegel, Locke, Weber, Nietzche and Machiavelli – to get a real handle on post-post enlightenment thinking in Western Societies. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to read some Allen Bloom to see how Marx was co-opted by the radical left in the 60s – and how that 60s hangover is influencing the attitudes and “thinking” of today’s elites with regard to the Muslim Problem.
And remember that the most powerful emotion among humans is the fear of death – the only thing greater than that is the fear of a violent death.
THIS is what’s driving the myopia – and the reasons I stated above (politics).
But I strongly doubt that you will spend any time on Socrates or Plato or the cave, any more than you will spend time attempting to answer our criticisms, so…se la vie.
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Carry on with you insane ramblings and weak retorts. It won’t stop us from questioning and voicing those questions here.
Oh – and try to stop saying “f*cking”. It’s shows us nothing, unless you have some greater game working –which I seriously doubt.
kay says
(1) Re V: “mainstream PC MCs throw other ethnic groups and other minority liberal causes under the bus, should they ever come in conflict with what has become the #1 Minority Grievance-Mongers, Muslims…”
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Technically, this is true, and importantly true.
(1a)
Much evidence shows that Muslims are into killing or otherwise causing serious problems for homosexuals. Like Islamic State throwing those people from tall heights. This is impolite. The so-called “liberals” should oppose this.
(1b)
WRT women, Islam is murder and slavery and torture. Always has been. The so-called “liberals” can and should oppose this And The Do Not! ! ! Phyllis Chesler ( and myself and others ) document the general failure of “liberals” to get real on feminism and human rights.
(1c)
WRT Jews, Islam is murder. Has been from the beginning. Again, huge failure for “liberalism”.
(1d)
WRT traditional Buddhist countries like Burma, many ( hundreds of ) western Buddhist teachers side with Islamic jihad and Muslim populations, not the indigenous Buddhist populations of Burma and Thailand. The western Buddhists are clueless,
(1e)
President Obama and Hillary Clinton, British law and so forth side with the global OIC in favor of stateside and international anti-blasphemy laws. and against basic free speech. There has been no real western complaint against the Islamists who murder anti-theocracy bloggers ( and atheists ) in Bangladesh. So basically President Obama is siding with the Islamic murderers in Bangladesh against the very brave free society bloggers and martyrs to freedom.
(1f)
There are fierce demonstrations for Sharia in London and Paris, and Islamic Sharia is against equality under the law, basic human freedoms, women, pagans ( like Hindus and Buddhists, who must be exterminated for some reason ).
However, the left/ liberal demonstrators in England, Germany and so forth do work hard to demonstrate against those “reactionaries” ( like myself ) who argue for basic human rights, feminism, free speech and so forth.
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There are other severity one problems in this general category but I rest my case for the present. Except to say, once again, that the big time liberal leftist Noam Chomsky explicitly supports Islamic State as a “defender of the people” – see NPR broadcast notes – so he’s a direct supporter of Islamofascist psychopathy. Which means he is okay with al-Baghdadi enslaving and raping noncombatant Kayla Mueller, having her fingernails ripped out, and then murdering her.
Way to go, “my fellow liberals and feminists”, Way. To. Go! With friends like you, how will I ever want for enemies?
Speaking as an international human rights organizer, I say these “liberals” are the scum of the earth.
voegelinian says
What kay adumbrates & articulates (at September 10, 2015 at 5:09 pm) is so painfully – yea, excruciatingly, evident based upon these fucking mountain ranges of evidence which constitutes Jihad Watch, it again becomes surreal that it even has to be pointed out here at all; here in the very motherfucking heartland of the entire motherfucking Counter-Jihad.
That this Triple-Duh fact has to be explained in detail by someone who ostensibly is not even a JW regular makes this surreal situation even worse. That none of the Jihad Watch regulars (other than gravenimage in an equally surreal comment with eerie mildness, as though she’s adjusting a placemat on a dinner table setting ever so slightly out of place rather than hitting her friends Angemon and PJ on the head with a rolling pin to knock some sense into them as she should be doing) has bothered to weigh in here on this most important matter takes it into the stratosphere of the monstrously weird.
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“What kay adumbrates & articulates (at September 10, 2015 at 5:09 pm) is so painfully – yea, excruciatingly, evident based upon these fucking mountain ranges of evidence which constitutes Jihad Watch, it again becomes surreal that it even has to be pointed out here at all; here in the very motherfucking heartland of the entire motherfucking Counter-Jihad.”
*yawn*
Don’t you ever get tired of trying to kick dirt in our eyes? kay gives several examples of where islam trumps other minorities but he doesn’t give his opinion on the why, which is the crux of the matter here. You’ve been called on, on several occasions and by several users, on your “it’s because the PC MC perceive muslims as brown people/ethnic people on the account of them being ethnic people”, and you’ve given neither a proper defence to your proposition nor a proper rebuttal to any criticism.
“That this Triple-Duh fact has to be explained in detail”
Again, it wasn’t – kay rightfully gave several examples of where islam trumps other minorities and liberal flagships, but he didn’t gave his opinion on the why. Even if he had, what we’re discussing here is your “muslims get special treatment because they’re perceived as brown people/ethnic people on the account of their perceived ethnicity”.
“by someone who ostensibly is not even a JW regular makes this surreal situation even worse.”
Whether kay is a JW regular or not should be irrelevant.
“That none of the Jihad Watch regulars (other than gravenimage in an equally surreal comment with eerie mildness, as though she’s adjusting a placemat on a dinner table setting ever so slightly out of place rather than hitting her friends Angemon and PJ on the head with a rolling pin to knock some sense into them as she should be doing) has bothered to weigh in here on this most important matter takes it into the stratosphere of the monstrously weird.”
And here we see your true colors: according to you, people should be “hitting” me “on the head” because I had the audacity to question you. After all, why should tackle criticism and say something like “well, you said such and such, but I submit to you that such and such” when you can simply whine and demand others to automatically take your side for no apparent reason? You’re well aware that others have spoken on the issue, and that the overwhelming opinion is that you’re wrong (as it can be inferred from your reference to Mirren on your September 7, 2015 at 4:02 pm post), but why let facts get in the way of a good narrative? Whatever you say is right, and you’re entitled to stand on your pedestal and piss on us, peons, who had the audacity of questioning your words.
So, are you going to actually address any criticism at all? Incek Mahallesi made some good points on his September 7, 2015 at 11:40 pm and September 8, 2015 at 10:51 pm posts – you can start there, if you dare…
Angemon says
voegelinian posted:
“Because the Muslims are perceived to be an Ethnic People, it automatically, axiomatically makes any overt condemnation of them “far right” and “racist”.”
Still trying to push debunked notions – your facts and logic filtering system is even superior to muslims’. I mean, you changed from “Brown People” to “Ethnic People”, but that’s it.
“Two factors are at play here — 1) the perceived ethnicity of Muslims”
So muslims are perceived as “Ethnic People” because of their… perceived ethnicity? Textbook example of circular logic.
So why aren’t Indian Hindus, Indian Sikhs or Afghani Christians, to name a few examples, granted the same “Ethnic People” status as muslims?
“and 2) their willingness to be violent on an astronomic and networked level.”
So are Mexican drug cartels, or the Triads, or the Yakuza. Why aren’t they given the same status as muslims in the West?
“These two factors combined, in synergy, explain why the mainstream PC MCs throw other ethnic groups and other minority liberal causes under the bus”
They don’t.
“should they ever come in conflict with what has become the #1 Minority Grievance-Mongers, Muslims.”
Oddly enough, if you had open with “grievance mongering” rather than the circular logic of “muslims are perceived as ethinic people because of their perceived ethnicity” and dropped the “they’re perceived as ethnic people because they get violent”, and you’d be on the right track. Just goes to show you wouldn’t know the right track even if you stumbled upon it – like you did.
“Apparently after explaining this twice to Mirren, she still can’t get it;”
Yeah, what’s so difficult to understand about “muslims are perceived as ethnic people because of their perceived ethnicity”? sarc./ off…
“but hasn’t offered any alternative explanation for what obviously has been happening on a massive scale throughout the West”
Other have, and you ignored it – why would any explanation given by Mirren meet any other outcome? In any case, whether or not she can give another explanation is irrelevant to whether or not your circular-logic based explanation can hold its own under scrutiny – and it can’t.
Joseph says
No leftist liberal ever asks the question; If these Muslims want change so bad why don’t they rise up and fight for change in their own country? If this was happening in the USA (civil war & fighting factions) you can bet your last dollar that there will be many men a women who will be fighting for freedom.
I don’t want to hear the “but they don’t have the means or weapons” answer because yes they do.
This is a war that is being passively fought under the guise of *refugee status*. The people of the world better wake up soon because it is very close to being too late.
The slaughter of innocent people from the beginning of man up to now will pale in comparison to the carnage, mass murder, and butchery that the future holds. The sobbing and tears produced will forever stain the tapestry of man’s history.
Enfant Terrible says
“No leftist liberal ever asks the question; If these Muslims want change so bad why don’t they rise up and fight for change in their own country?” – A very important and valid question that liberals don’t want to address.
And, a similar misplaced sentiment has been prominent in U.S. foreign policy – bringing/promoting democracy to/in non-democratic countries. Those societies’ populations won’t accept and implement democracy, because their cultures can’t integrate it. Their populations don’t have the mindset for it. Bringing/promoting becomes imposing and causes instability, like in Libya, and even in the corrupted Ukraine.
Muslims stream into the West to exploit its social benefits and the ultimately the economic spoils gained from sheer demographic advantage. They don’t want to assimilate, and are likely incapable of doing so.
Angemon says
The “counter demonstration” was meant to counter an anti islamic rape gangs ddemonstrtation, so let’s just call it what it is – a demonstration in support of rapists. Muslims supporting rapists? Gee, what a surprise – NOT! Like I said earlier on another topic:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/dutch-air-force-sergeant-joins-islamic-state-in-first-such-desertion/comment-page-1#comment-1290495
If by “taken inspiration” you mean “stolen”, yeah, sure – after all, stealing is a time-honored tradition in muslim culture. In any case, where the dead muslims at? You know, “Black Lives Matter” was a response to the allegedly unjustified deaths of African Americans at the hands of the allegedly racist American police for no other reason than the victims being black, so where are the equivalent deaths of British muslims at the hands of the “racist” British police for no other reason than the victims being muslims?
But if the police reacted to the throwing of objects, charged in and cracked some heads, heads would roll. And I’m not talking about the heads the police cracked to get the thugs to back down, I’m talking about the heads of the policemen and women under the horrific crime of “islamophobia” – for what other reason could they possibly have to viciously attack muslims, right? And seeing what happened to Lee Rigby, their heads might not roll just figuratively…
Zimriel says
“Our streets”. Huh. I wasn’t aware that Rotherham was founded by Muslims.
citycat says
It’s the same old war, begging jihad, social jihad, anything goes jihad.
It’s like the great Leonard Cohen once said,
“I never even knew there was a war”
Not knowing that Islam has always meant to conquer has been an important factor in Islam’s advance.
Some muslims don’t want it, but can’t say.
P. Smith says
As one twitter commentator said, Europeans Leaders need muslims, because they have realized to sustain a population in a country, you need a birth rate of 3%. Homosexuality, abortion, in Europe has dropped the european birth rate to less than 1.5%. So European leaders are bringing voluntarily the muslims to procreate and to replace the homo and abortionist people of Europe
kay says
That would make sense. But there will be continuing pitched battles in the streets. Which will be hell on health care services. In many urban centers of Europe. And these new people will quite often fight against the European peoples, so that is the opposite of useful. It’s worse than useless. And a lot of unneeded overhead.
And that was already clear before this year! I fear for Europe. Everything is going the wrong way.
Charli Main says
@kay
I get your point, but I have yet to see street battles being fought against “European peoples ” by Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jewish communities.
To the best of my knowledge the only ” immigrants ” that are attacking the people that have given them a new home are THE MUSLIMS.
If populations need to be replaced, there are plenty of NON MUSLIMS looking for the chance of a new live in Europe.
George S. says
You are so right, Charli Main. I am British, even though I was not born in the UK, with a white English Dad and a Scottish mother. I was born in India (Rawalpindi) which – two years after I was born – became Pakistan, because of the stupidity of Partition by the clueless British Government. I was educated in England and Canada. My education and work took me to many different countries of the world – Europe, the UK, Middle East, far East, Africa, north America, and south America. I am old now and think about the many people I have met from different countires and races.
What you said, “I have yet to see street battles being fought against “European peoples ” by Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jewish communities.” is so true, and I may add Japanese and Chinese communities to that list. Here it is – all these people from the communities that you listed came to the UK (as well as Canada, USA, Australia and New Zealand) because they were looking for a better life. And, in general, all these communities have ADDED to the lives of the indigenous people by not rioting and contributing to the bettermnent of the community that they went to. This is it – they are CONTRIBUTORS, and happy to be so.
On the other hand, ALL muzzies are DETRACTORS. They contribute NOTHING to the community that they have invaded. They do not believe in – or support – the thread of enlightenment, education, or freedom that they find themselves surrounded by. They not only reject all the hard-won tenets of western civilisation, but continually make outrageous and silly demands for the communities to bow and kow-tow to their archaic and barbaric tenets – separate bathing times for women and men, prayer times to be allowed at work, porcelain pigs in a house window ordered to be removed by the Police because they offend passing muzzies, halal meats at school, …. oh, the list goes on and on and on. All demands for the indigenous people to change thier way of life to accomodate muzzies. I am SICK of it – they can take their demands and whining and moaning and stuff it where the sun don’t shine, to paraphrase Allen West.
abad says
“If populations need to be replaced, there are plenty of NON MUSLIMS looking for the chance of a new live in Europe.”
Very true. I know a few ex-pat Americans who live and work in Europe (one in Sweden, the other, Switzerland) and guess what: not only are they fluent in the native languages over there, they assimilate very well despite the fact their ethnic backgrounds are not of the mentioned countries.
That tells you something right there.
kay says
Hi C.M.
Can you say/ provide more about Bosniaks burning some church with noncombatant inside? Online stuff all points to Serbs being culprits. Tx Tx
kay says
Re:
@kay
I get your point, but I have yet to see street battles being fought against “European peoples ” by Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jewish communities.
To the best of my knowledge the only ” immigrants ” that are attacking the people that have given them a new home are THE MUSLIMS.
If populations need to be replaced, there are plenty of NON MUSLIMS looking for the chance of a new live in Europe.
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Truth.
Truth.
Truth.
And they are attacking hard. The aggression is bold and happening far sooner than I thought.
I fear for London and Paris.
It’s bad all over Europe.
gravenimage says
“Whose streets? Our streets!” UK Muslims riot in Rotherham, where rape gangs ran wild
A “Rotherham Unites Muslim Lives Matter” rally descended into a riot yesterday afternoon. Two separate demonstrations were organised in the town that day; one by the group Britain First against Islamic rape gangs that proliferate in the town, and the other a so-called counter demonstration.
The group appears to have taken inspiration from the American “Black Live Matter” campaign.
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Please note: this does not even have the (sometimes equivocal) degree of legitimacy of “Black Lives Matter”.
Muslims are not protesting the death of any Muslims, for legitimate reasons or otherwise–instead, they are protesting Infidels *protesting Muslims underage British girls*.
*This* is what they mean when they chant “Muslim lives matter”–that Muslims are being oppressed if not allowed to rape young Infidel girls without interference or protest.
And why not? Under Shari’ah, this perfectly Halal. Just look at the Islamic State.
God, I hate Islam..,
medaber_emet says
Paul Weston clearly predicted a civil war in UK
the problem is that muslims are having lots of childern and christians not
therefore the muslims will have the upper hand in day of fight
since old people cant be warriors
christians english have you said your priers?
since you are an endangered specie
soon to be extinct
you should thank David Cameron for bringing all the jihadists Muslims to do the job
epistemology says
They abducted, raped and groomed little girls and now they feel victimised. As a matter of principle muzzies are always innocent
duh_swami says
Water canon, big black dogs are good, but I like ‘fix bayonets’ better…
John Duffin says
As for one lives about 30 miles from Ferguson Missouri, let me say that one person has the correct idea.
Colin Flaherty has had his YouTube channel taken down for speaking the truth.
His video, ‘ don’t make black kids angry!’ showed the media is biased and the reverse racism that it holds so dearly.
The same tactic should be used against Muslim’s lives matter. It is the same tactic being used as black lives matter which the perpetrators portray themselves as victims and the media eats it up.
John Duffin says
http://youtu.be/BAal1r8cmrI
Colin’s latest video.
sahani says
Arab don’t send army or soldiers Now they have new system They convert or export muslim followers in your land to live and then destroy your nation using your resources. Local converts now follow they laws and ready to destroy own land and race. Local leaders are clue less .Solution is simple . declare all who don’t follow laws antinational take away the rights and followers of islam can be deported to arab or forced to leave islam if he wants to live. In arab land No one can live and follow any other religion.
Local mullahs on pay roll of arabs as their local commanders they should be checked and put in jail first
gravenimage says
sahani wrote:
Arab don’t send army or soldiers Now they have new system They convert or export muslim followers in your land to live and then destroy your nation using your resources…
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Muslims have invaded and taken over infidel lands since the earliest days of Islam.
The only difference now is that they have convinced tender-hearted but foolish Infidels that they are “refugees”, and we are actively aiding our conquerors.
DP111 says
How hundreds of Muslim migrants are converting to Christianity to boost their chances of winning asylum in Germany
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225014/How-Muslim-migrants-converting-Christianity-Germany-hundreds-boost-chances-winning-asylum.html#ixzz3l3LGZfo2
Just a thought.
If all else is equal, how come Syrian Muslims are not converting.
It Is non-Syrian Muslims who are converting, as they do not get automatic ASYLUM
For Zonoobi and his wife Afsaneh – who since her baptism goes by the name of Katarina – the christening marks a new beginning.
‘Now we are free and can be ourselves,’ she said. ‘Most important, I am so happy that our children will have a good future here and can get a good education in Germany.
The most important thing for a new Christian is not that his family will do well, and get a good education etc. The most important thing is that he has been saved by Jesus. All else is trivial.
Muslims will lie and cheat to infiltrate Europe.
It just shows what an unprecedented danger our EU elites have placed Europe in. Spanish Inquisition was a necessity.
I really hope that the conversions are not false.
Charli Main says
When the Spanish finally drove the Muslim invaders out of their country, tens of thousands of Muslims pretended to convert to Christianity, in order to remain in Spain.
These Muslims continued to practice islam behind the closed doors of their houses. I believe that practice was so common, that laws were passed forbidding these “converts” to close the front doors of their houses.
dumbledoresarmy says
there are a few ways to cut down on this sort of thing.
First of all: many of the genuine Assyrian Christians are ethnically and linguistically non-Arab (there are also a percentage who are ethnically Armenian). Quite a few speak Syriac-Aramaic as well as Arabic, so if someone is a fluent speaker of Syriac rather than Arabic, odds are pretty good they belong to the Assyrian Christian group rather than the Muslims. So: find Assyrian Christian speakers of Syriac, who know the Syriac prayers and liturgy still used in some of these ancient churches, and use *them* in the vetting process. But keep it quiet, so Muslims don’t know this is what you are doing. Find ways of making it non-obvious that this is what you are using as a screening device.
Secondly, there are groups such as Voice of the Martyrs and Barnabas Fund, and person such as Canon Andrew White and the Syrian Catholic nun Sr Hatune Dogan, who have been working with the oppressed Syrian Christians – both in Iraq and Syria – for years and years, starting long *before* the latest Jihad episode kicked off. They know the language, the geography, and the whole recent history of the Christian communities. They know exactly who is who. They know the *clergy* of these Syrian Christian communities, and the clergy know who they have baptised, who the families are who attend church, etc, who their parents and grandparents are. There are also whole convents of nuns and monks. It would be a bit difficult for a Muslim to convincingly fake a nun’s or a monk’s identity, especially if being questioned by someone like Sr Hatune who is a nun herself! So these persons and organisations could be enlisted to assist with identifying the candidates for reception into the West.
There is also a substantial Assyrian Christian (and Armenian) emigre population within most western countries, dating right back to the late 19th century and early 20th century. These people have usually stayed in touch with their communities of origin. They, too, know who is who, and would be pretty good at picking up on ‘fakes’…people whose claimed profession of faith, and/ or claimed genealogy/ history, simply don’t add up.
Thirdly: be cautious. Have a longish probation period before the granting of permanent residency or of citizenship in the host country. Look at how the Swiss do things, and use that model.
A long probation period – five to ten years, I’d make it ten – would allow more time for masks to slip and imposters to be detected. And the rule should be that if you claim to be a Christian to get asylum, and you AIN’T, or if you feign to ‘convert’ and then turn right back into a Muslim after a few years, then…you get booted right back where you came from. Just like should happen with anyone who commits any *other* kind of identity/ immigration fraud.
No Fear says
Any “refugees” to Australia should be made to join the Army. That would sort out the lot of them.
ECAW says
What…..give the buggers a gun?!
Truth Seeker says
Seems Britain is moving fast to Irreversible Destruction, because Rulers are Influenced by Islamic Trojan Horses and Imposters of Human Rights, whereby Jihadi Terrorists who come with the Mask of Refugees are given Warm Welcome. At the same Time, Persecuted Christians from the Muslim Countries are Prevented from Entering Europe!.
Remember, when Real trouble Comes, the so-called Human right Activists won’t be found. Trojan Horses will take the Role of Brutus.
Judi says
Attention all Brits. Please sign this petition if you haven’t done so already:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106477
Nicole Davidoff says
Petition signed and spread. I was there with Britain First – we were not allowed into the Town Centre and were heavily convoyed by the police all the way. Our march was perfectly organised and peaceful, no order broken. That was in contrast to the thuggery happened at the left wing/muslim demonstration which ended up in a riot against the non-muslim men in the local pub. If Britain First decide to sue the lying media, we will provide them with full support – lots of us filmed the whole process. It were muslim and left wing thugs who turned violent. It was Britain First who showed themselves as true law (England and Wales law!) abiding patriots. Shame on you, Yorkshire police. If you didn’t learn your lesson now, then you are idiots and /or traitors not fit to be subsidized by British taxpayers
Huck Folder says
Excellent, 104,253 votes so far, which means, (over 100,000 votes),
Parliament will consider this for a debate.
I guess they can just reject it out of hand,
especially with their embedded fifth column moslems,
and some ‘spontaneous’ moslem street protests,
(which NEVER occur when there is moslem atrocity).
Charli Main says
Slightly Off Topic
David Cameron has been taken to task and interrogated in Parliament by MPs because two ” British” Jihadists were killed in Syria by a UK drone.
The Muslim arse kissers in Parliament are howling, because they have not sanctioned UK military action in Syria.
Aid Junkie says
Also buy the book they don’t want you to read A Consequence of Apathy by NR Baldwin out on Amazon.
The vilest of creatures says
“Never again”? Never again to what? Doesn’t something bad have to have happened to you to be saying that? Muslims have always been on the GIVING side of “Never Again”, not the RECEIVING!
SLC says
Stop the Muslim invasion to all Western nations, unless you want to become part of the global Muslim caliphate!
Pakistan Truck Driver says
https://www.google.de/search?q=95%25+pakistan+truck+driver&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=Q6XtVY3tIIm9swGUxpjoCQ
anymore questions?
Shane says
The cowards int the British MSM refuse to correctly identify these savages as Muslims. These are not Japanese, Chinese, Korean, or Vietnamese immigrants, they are mostly Pakistani Muslims.
jayell says
Well, this is the end of the multi-cultural dream. Or nightmare, as it has clearly become. You could see this coming a mile off.
1. You can’t have a ‘multi-cultural society’. There never has been such a thing and there never will, because that’s the way ‘homo sapiens’ works (not so sure about the ‘sapiens’ bit anymore). Everyone has to follow the same rulebook or else you just get parallel societies, each of which will want to control the territory. (You see this already with muslim demands for ‘their areas). It would take a very high order of civility, mutual respect and self-restraint to buck this natural trend, and even then it would not really be a stable, permanent solution that could exist without some level of policing.
2. If you’re actually going to be foolhardy enough to try it, you have to choose your ‘multi-culti’ candidates very carefully for suitability, just as you’d choose your friends or appoint employees wisely. This would therefore EXCLUDE muslims, who have demonstrated over and over again that they’re simply not up to it. They’ve had a disgusting track-record for centuries, and you only need to look at the tenets of their ‘faith’ to see why. Also, if people want to grace you with their presence because they ‘want a better life’, you have to ask why they can’t achieve it where they come from. Sadly, you’ll probably find that they’re part of any problem of which they complain, and all they’ll do in the end is bring the problem to you and drag you down with them. That’s why all this hysteria over ‘refugees’ from Syria is going to end very badly. The only GOOD reason for anyone coming to join you is because they ADMIRE AND RESPECT YOU AND WHAT YOU STAND FOR; NOT TO GRAB SOME OF WHAT YOU’VE GOT AND THEN PLEASE THEMSELVES. A UK newspaper today made a very unfortunate faus pas when it worded a headline as ‘Government diverts aid budget to councils for refugee housing’. There are thousands of young couples in the UK who can no longer afford to buy their first house because of rocketing house prices as a result uncontrolled immigration, and who are waiting patiently at the end of local authority housing lists in order to have somewhere decent to live. The unfortunate apposition of ‘councils’ and ‘housing’ in this headline is not going to go down too well…..(During WW2 how many UK citizens crammed themselves onto rickety boats to cross the sea to neutral Eire and escape the Nazi bombing?).
3. The phrase ‘civil war’ has been increasingly cropping up in angry comments in newspaper blogs over the last 2-3 years. That’s the warning sign. Will the authorities take notice?
voegelinian says
jayell is conflating two different issues — general problems societies may or may not have with multiculturalism involving any combination of cultures; and the unique problems societies have with only ONE culture, Islam, and its followers, Muslims. It may or may not be a coincidence that jayell then slides & glides into portents of “civil war”; for I’ve found that Real Problemers tend to go there…
voegelinian says
The “Real Problemers”
http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-real-problemers.html
particolor says
No ! Here’s the Real Problem, You have Blind, Ignorant, Stupid Politicians . 🙁 🙁
On the take and Corrupt !! 🙁 🙁
jayell says
I agree with Voegelinian in that there are ‘societies’ that are inherently unstable largely (I guess) because of a high level of sociopathology in the constituent populations; to put it nicely, they would appear to be congenitally bad team-players and will always be working against each other. My point is rather simpler. A (successful) ‘society’ is one that has some kind of clear identity or/and aim, where everyone ‘sings from the same hymn sheet’, and you can see this in large-scale ‘national’ societies and on a smaller scale in professional and other ‘associations’.
UK readers will have noticed that all the headlines today (Tuesday) have been concerned with the RAF drone attacks that have killed ‘British’ jihadis in Syria. According to the reports, it seems like one of the targets (Reyaad Khan) was a mastermind behind an planned assassination of the Queen and other dignitaries (amongst other planned atrocities). I mentioned earlier that there have been rumblings in the blogs about ‘impending civil war’. Looks like we might just about be there now.
gravenimage says
jayell wrote:
I agree with Voegelinian in that there are ‘societies’ that are inherently unstable largely (I guess) because of a high level of sociopathology in the constituent populations; to put it nicely, they would appear to be congenitally bad team-players…
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jayell–with all respect–I don’t believe this is about genetics at all.
The societies of the Muslim world are “unstable”–violent, chaotic, and oppressive–because they follow a vicious creed–Islam, in this case.
Nazi Germany was “unstable” because they followed Fascism–that was the only difference between Germany in, say, the late 19th century and then again post-WWII, compared with the 1930s and early-to-mid 1940s.
In the same way, apostates typically become much more civilized as soon as they leave Islam, thought they are genetically the same–and “reverts” are vicious no matter what their genetic background might have been.
Don’t discount the importance of ideology–that’s what the Jihad threat is all about.
bullfrogger says
They neither respect nor fear anything . Just once , line up , mow them down and stack them like cord wood . Now let’s see how they act .
mortimer says
We don’t need hitlers like you.
DiMu says
Find out the names of the police and social workers and other public servants, including politicians who have turned a blind eye to the Muslim atrocities and publish their names and photos on bill-boards, leaflets with a big heading ‘A NUREMBERG TRAIL IS WAITING FOR YOU!’
Confused says
Where are Unite against Fascism when Anjem Chaudhry is in town?
Shouldn’t they shout him down too?
Western Canadian says
Only if they were actually against fascism, which they are not. They are in favour of fascism. And they are fascists.
ECAW says
Indeed. Fascists against Fascism.
Paul says
@Confused,
To think that they have the nerve to call themselves “Unite Against
Fascism”. More like “Unite Against Freedom” :
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5837-unite-against-freedom-uaf
Funny you should mention Choudary in conjunction with Unite Against Freedom.
They indeed have a common cause :
kay says
I am making this specific topic ( url ) more and more known in some social media discussions. Incrementally. The purpose is to make clear that Europe is going thru an identity crisis and a political crisis related to Islam.
And I post a decent set of online resources. For the usual suspects.
This is a teachable moment.
Capt. Johnson says
What has happened to my beloved UK? Our “leaders” are cowards or knaves or both, and refuse to speak the truth about the child-raping Muslim onslaught. Even as we suffer, our “leaders” invite or tolerate more influx of Muslims.
Inviting Muslims into our country is like inviting cancer into our bodies, and the end result is just as dire.
David Simpson says
I bet if it were the children of the MP’s who were getting gang-raped by Muslims, the MP’s might be more concerned. As it is, the victims are the children of the working class and the ruling elite don’t give a damn.
Plamen says
Paris burning – Islamische Flüchtlinge randalieren brutal in Paris:
Westman says
It’s amazing to watch these Parisian thugs, in the video, tearing up the sidewalk to get cement stones to throw at Police. In most parts of America, the police would demand that individuals stop throwing stones. Finally, if it didn’t stop, they would call out the swat team and start arresting individual thugs that threw stones directly at them. If that didn’t stop it they might shoot them in self defense and jail any stragglers. And the citizens would applaud. There is no excuse for this kind of anarchy, which is an indication of a lawless parallel faction, a weak local government, and a moraly bankrupt citizenry, steeped in hedonism, who have forgotten that they either support the rule of law as nation or slide toward obsolescence with their electronic distractions.
Back to Britain:
The message is clear. The Britain First march was in support of stopping Muslim sex exploitation of UK women. For Muslims to demonstrate against it, their signs could only mean, “ONLY MUSLIM LIVES MATTER” It couldn’t be clearer.
kay says
Merde alors.
Will use.
But please explain: When, what date? This year? What part of Paris?
What is the SPECIFIC trigger? WHAT is the story here? ?
What’s going on anyway?
citycat says
I heard that in a prison is a space for groups to gather, different countries, religions, i think, and in that space the Muslims were divided into Muslims and Pakistani Muslims.
And i’ve noticed that Pakistani Muslims do seem to be more aggressive, jihadistically speaking, than other Muslims, maybe that’s only in Engelond though.
kay says
Always keep as much distance as possible between yourself and any Paks. Warn everyone you know. Paks are bad news and more bad news.
As in Rotherham and Oxfordshire sex ring scandals.
Children are to be kept away from Paks.
Any concentration of Paks, five or more, is really bad news.
Jay Boo says
Islam is the (child sex-slave) religion.
The Paks are true MUSLIMS
They follow Muhammad’s piggy example.
boocat says
England has fallen to the communists and they have sold out to the invaders. It is all over.
Soly Eini says
Thank God I left Britain in 1968. At that time the Pakistanis were just beginning to trickle in.
James D says
Why are there muslims in Rotherham? Pakistan is know for its disgusting treatment of women and minorities. get out get out get out. you were offered a safe harbor and you brought your filthy religious beliefs with you which would be fine but you cant seem to understand religion is a private matter. not something you push on others. Christian, muslim,or any religion. why do you want to live here besides money? you do not value freedom.