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Archbishop of Canterbury urges more interfaith dialogue to ease fears of Muslim community

Oct 4, 2015 6:16 pm By Robert Spencer

What about the fears of non-Muslims over jihad terrorism and the frequent Islamic supremacist boasts of imminent conquest? The good archbishop doesn’t seem to have addressed that, for some odd reason.

Justin Welby, profile

“Archbishop of Canterbury Urges More Interfaith Dialogue To Ease Fears Of Muslim Community,” by Donna Rachel Edmunds, Breitbart News, October 4, 2015 (thanks to Bulldog):

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby has spoken out against the forces of secularism, on the one hand, seeking to force religion out of the public sphere, and extremism, on the other, seeking to replace mainstream religion with a radicalised version twisted to fit their own agenda.

In a hard hitting speech, he also urged Muslim leaders to do more than simply condemn terrorism; they should also promote an alternative, peaceful version of their religion.

On Friday Welby joined the Anglican Archbishops of Wales, Scotland and Ireland, and members of the Welsh Muslim community at a meeting to mark the 10th anniversary of the Centre for the Study of Islam in the UK, based at Cardiff University, where he made his remarks.

Addressing the gathering, Saleem Kidwai, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Wales described terrorism as a “cancer” which must be addressed, the Telegraph has reported. But he added that Muslims in Britain feel they are effectively living under siege.

“The Muslims I meet in mosques and across Wales generally are concerned about the environment where they are raising their children,” he said.

“[It is] an environment in which to be a Muslim is to be treated with suspicion; an environment in which far right groups increasingly protest against Muslims; an environment in which there are arson attacks against mosques; an environment in which a Muslim woman walking down the street is likely to be … spat at or abused.

“Call it Islamophobia, call it anti-Muslim prejudice, call it racism, but whatever you call it is wrong and it is sadly becoming a norm.”

Acknowledging the fears of the Muslim community, Welby said that we are indeed living in a time of fear, which “seeps into our society, and begins to work at the cracks between us in our diversity, deepening them into barriers between us.” His proposed solution is for faith communities to work in conjunction with each other, building bonds of citizenship and friendship.

Welby did not contradict Kidwai’s narrative, but went on to argue that fear must be confronted by members of all faiths. “Darkness is cast out by the light of truth and love,” he said.

In a clear message to his Muslim counterparts, he acknowledged that Christianity had seen its own share of radicalism, saying: “I cannot say that Christians who resort to violence are not Christians.

“At Srebrenica the perpetrators claimed Christian faith. I cannot deny their purported Christianity, but must acknowledge that event as yet another in the long history of Christian violence, and I must repudiate that what they did was in any way following the life and teaching of Jesus.”

Whatever happened at Srebrenica, did those Christians who committed murder justify their murders by pointing to the teachings of Christianity? Of course not. Nor could they have done so. But Islamic jihadists routinely invoke the texts and teachings of Islam to justify their actions and make recruits among peaceful Muslims.

But he used those events to set a challenging example to moderate Muslims, continuing: “We have unequivocally to condemn those who misuse our own Scriptures for their own ends. But condemnation, a negative, is not enough.

“The mainstream of each faith needs to generate a counter-narrative that acknowledges our differences and commits to resource and support one another in defiance of those who wish to divide us. The counter-narrative must be so exciting and so beautiful that it defeats the radicalisers, with their message of hate and despair.”

He also used the speech to send a clear message to secularists that Christianity must not be pushed out of the public sphere, and to faith leaders that they must not hide away on the side-lines.

“Christians and Muslims are not called to a ghetto-like existence, although both our faiths have from time to time acted in that way, through fear or defensiveness,” said. “We are called by contrast to be actively involved in our society not for our own good but for the common good.

“The common good seeks to benefit those of faith communities and those of no faith. It urges a flourishing that is economic, environmental, political, familial and spiritual. It is something deeply rooted in freedom of religion and freedom of worship, and in the capacity to explore ideas that may be difficult for those around.

“It means being committed to a society and country where not everyone agrees with us, far from it. In the book of Proverbs, the writer talks of iron sharpening iron. We are to speak truth to power to hold to account and also to be willing to be held to account ourselves.”

“It means being committed to a society and country where not everyone agrees with us, far from it.” How does he propose to get that across to the Islamic supremacists who want the Christians to either convert to Islam or submit to the hegemony of Islamic law? “In the book of Proverbs, the writer talks of iron sharpening iron. We are to speak truth to power to hold to account and also to be willing to be held to account ourselves.” Willing to be held to account ourselves? I doubt it

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  1. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    Somebody needs to keep a score card on interfaith dialog performance, to measure the success rate of this tired tactic. I know the priests, rabbis and preachers get paid a nice buck to attend these things, which is nice, for them, but the real concern is the distraction inevitable irrelevancy and failure involved in them. These are urgent times, there is no room left now to pass the time in religioso circle jerks in hotel conference rooms.

    When the score card is compiled, it would be to publish the results on the perversely named University of Southern California Center for Muslim-Jewish Engagement, which is interfaith dialog embodied. That way in the unlikely event that some news entertainers go there to look up the findings they might click on the links to the Holy Ko-Ran and the Hah-Deaths. I do all the time.

    • Angemon says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 6:38 pm

      Anyone can do that, APF – just count to zero.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 5:07 am

      Dear Mr Welby, you shouldn’t lead a church where people’s souls may be won or lost. Go find another job, where you cannot do eternal damage.

  2. Wellington says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    I want to align with muscular Christians, not mushy Christians. Christianity has produced both types and the former is far more important for the preservation of civilization precisely because civilization is a fragile phenomenon and can be stripped away by the forces of anti-civilization quite easily (funny, but somehow Islam comes to mind here). Thus mushy Christians, like the present Archbishop of Canterbury (the present Pope too), are not only not an aid to civilization, they are actually an impediment to its continuance.

    • Kepha says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 8:56 pm

      @Wellington:

      One witty British Christian took an “outsider” friend to witness the consecration of a CofE bishop. The outsider noticed a crowd of bishops clustered around the candidate to lay hands on him, and asked his Christian friend what was going on. The British Christian replied that the man in the center of the episcopal scrum was undergoing an operation to remove his backbone.

      Both Williams and Welby–despite the latter’s reputation for being an “Evangelical”–have impressed me as being typical European state church clerical invertebrates. I just hope I’m wrong. They remind me of Jesus’ words to the Church in Sardis: “So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.” (Rev. 3:16). So, you see the problem goes back at least to the days of the Emperor Domitian (or even Nero?).

      But also keep in mind that there are some of us who seek to be robust, if not muscular, Christians who are for mission for as long as it is possible rather than for stoking an actual intercivilizational shooting war in which the post-Christian West has set itself up to lose, and lose horribly. This mission includes not only the exposure of Islam’s false theology and the invitation to Muslims to turn to a gracious God who reveals himself in Christ; but also an exposure of how the West has very greatly perverted liberty into a license for all manner of immorality, even to the point of celebrating evil and self-destructive. behaviors.

      As I’ve said before, I worry about our cultural and political leadership’s say “D-double-d dare ya” to God. I know the prophets well enough to sense that this furor Islamicus coming from lands that have produced only slums surrounded by deserts may well be another Assyrian rod to discipline a lukewarm Christendom (unlike a lot of my brethren, I see the Chosen People of God gathered about the Messiah; not in a strip of Levantine real estate). I don’t pretend to be a prophet myself, and am highly skeptical towards anyone who does so pretend, but I will admit to reflecting on what I read when my BIble is open.

      I would urge everyone who finds the person of Jesus of Nazareth attractive to go back and take a good, long look at what the Scriptures say of him; and ignore the facile appeals of the secular left to some hitherto unknown “Jesus” who is as much like the character in the New Testament as is the Muslim Isa. There is the protein for any muscle that might go into “muscular Christianity”. A “Christ” who merely blesses the fashions of Christianity’s cultured despisers is a soporiphic.

      • mortimer says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 9:14 pm

        The Church of England should realize it has a duty to evangelize Muslims and bring them into the church. The Church of England should set up a mission to Muslims.

        • Miao Zedong says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 6:11 am

          …and the liberals and atheists among them should realize that anything but the clear committment the purge muslims heads from their middle-eastern superstition is a crime against rationality.

          God is dead, Allah is death.

        • steve says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 12:53 pm

          First ‘civilise’ Muslims, This should be best attempted from 300 yards with a Sharps rifle…..

      • Wellington says

        Oct 4, 2015 at 10:51 pm

        With just about all that you asserted, Kepha. Hope you don’t mind an agnostic as an ally.

        • Kepha says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 5:17 am

          Well, Wellington, I guess an agnostic is a person who admits that you can’t measure an ocean with an eyedropper–and perhaps may be willing to admit that God can be known by man IF God makes himself known.

    • Lia Wissing says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 5:09 am

      The previous archb. was the one who advocated shari’a law being incorporated into British law.

      • kay says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 10:30 am

        Re Lia. “The previous archb. was the one who advocated shari’a law being incorporated into British law.”
        ——————–
        Yes. Truth. And hugely important.
        Heard about that last year. I was completely stunned by Rowan Williams.
        Carte blanche for jihad and slavery and rape and the destruction of all human rights.
        The thin edge of the executioner’s axe.
        With friends like these, who needs jihadi enemies, eh?
        Someone needs to mind the gap. And stand for what’s right.

  3. EYESOPEN says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 6:40 pm

    Another idiot embracing inter-faith “dialogue”. BTW, take a good look at this stooge. I wonder what he’s been smoking/drinking. Too much wine? Or has he simply added gin to the wine? Whatever it is, he looks high on something – and that something is NOT Jesus Christ.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      Too much wine? Or has he simply added gin to the wine? Whatever it is, he looks high on something

      Vodka. It’s a bigger direct pipeline to the bloodstream, which is necessary in this guy’s case, cuz he doesn’t have God flowing through his veins anymore. No muss no fuss, no embellishments, simple. Clerics are always bragging what simple people they are, but I suspect they don’t embrace simplicity the way ascetics like Jesus Christ did, but he was a serious person, an Essene rabbi, not a coddled functionary.

    • Huck Folder says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 1:54 am

      Looks like he’s some moslem’s bitch,
      and he’s about to…

  4. cs says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    WaC.
    What a Clown.

  5. Mirren10 says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 6:55 pm

    Welby is a tit.

    I wrote him about Asia Bibi.

    His response was, of course he was concerned, but it was all terribly sensitive and complicated. Blech.

    The Christ he purports to follow would have blown him, and his mealy mouthed posturing out of the water.

    Christians have nothing to hope for from the ilk of Welby and Francis.

    Stick to your Bibles.

    • Jack Diamond says

      Oct 4, 2015 at 7:25 pm

      terribly, terribly sensitive and complicated…have another vat of wine, Dr. Welby. It’s all too much. If Saleem Kidwai referred to terrorism, he meant against Moslems. Moslems do not commit terrorism. They commit “legitimate resistance.” The only victims of Muslim barbarism (i.e. legitimate resistance) are not non-Moslems, it is Moslems, Moslem women spat on and abused (at least he didn’t say raped), and all those burning mosques lighting up Britain. A world where no one slaughtered Lee Rigby or bombed London or gang raped thousands of British schoolgirls or ever attacked a Jew or joined the Islamic State.
      He has bad teeth too in his mealy mouth.

    • dumbledoresarmy says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 4:26 am

      He makes me very, very cross. He disappoints me hugely. I guess I need to write to him and tell him so.

      I worship in an Anglican church. There *are* Islamosavvy Anglicans: exhibit A = Rev Dr Mark Durie, author of “The Third Choice”, a brilliant analysis of just how nasty the Dhimma system is.

      It really is time that various Christian clergy started thinking about the fact that loving someone doesn’t necessarily mean allowing them to do everything they want to you or to other people. Every person who has ever been a parent knows the meaning of the term “tough love”.

      And loving people doesn’t mean telling them only what they like to hear about themselves; sometimes loving people means confronting them and telling them flat-out that their behaviour is downright bad, that it is destroying themselves and others.

      The Ummah isn’t just a preschooler throwing a tantrum or a teenager in a fit of the sulks: it’s a *psycho* preschooler throwing a tantrum while waving a kitchen knife, a *psycho* teenager of the kind that is discovered in a corner tormenting kittens to death, and for the safety of the other kids in the playground it needs to be restrained and isolated. You embrace it lovingly you just get bitten and scratched. Tell the other children to kiss it nicely and hug it and it will *kill* them.

      The Archbishop wouldn’t tell a girl she was being ‘unloving’ if she declined a date with the creepy guy who gives her a bad feeling – and who she knows hangs out with persons who are in prison for rape and/ or murder. So why can’t sensible British infidels refuse the ‘date’ – the *forced marriage*, it seems to be, right now – with the Ummah?

      • apostate says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 5:15 am

        Nicely said DDA,thank you.

      • Jack Diamond says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 9:58 am

        Exactly. The Archbishop last year in Turkey spoke of this being a new era of Christian martyrdom but added that religion is often just a “pretext” for violence and not the real cause before talking about the economic crisis. He seems profoundly ignorant (or dissimulating) about Islamic teachings vis a vis “extremism” and is doing his flock no favor. But then “loving people” can also camouflage something else:

        Mark Durie in an interview with Mark Tapson in 2010:
        The “third choice” of my title is the alternative to conversion to Islam or the sword. This is the choice to give up fighting, and surrender to Islam, and live as a non-Muslim under Islamic rule. But there is a price to keeping your head without converting, and this is to serve Islam and to embrace your own inferiority.

        The two most characteristic psychological traits of the dhimmi are gratitude and humility. We are seeing both these traits shaping public discourse around Islam. President Obama, for example, has spoken of the “debt” the West owes to Islam. This sense of indebtedness is being imparted to our schoolchildren through Islamicized history textbooks.

        The dhimmi syndrome is analogous to that of the battered woman. An abused woman will often vigorously deny that her husband is doing anything wrong, even when her life is daily at risk from beatings. She will be schooled by the violence to be grateful for any small kindness shown to her, and to insist that he loves her. All the abuse is her own fault. The dhimmi syndrome causes victims to go to extraordinary lengths to preserve their worldview of denial.

        I respect but deplore the psychological power of this dynamic. Respect, because these are the strategies of survivors. Deplore, because such soul-destroying strategies rob people of freedom and bind them into self-deception. Indeed I was amazed to discover a Moroccan jurist who in his commentary on Sura 9:29 of the Koran said that the purpose of the dhimmi system is to “kill the soul” of the non-Muslim, so he will render willingly everything demanded of him.”

        • Jack Diamond says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 10:08 am

          I also found this snippet from an interview on Mark Durie’s website interesting. He talks about the success the Dutch finally had in countering the jihad in Aceh by going after the ulema.

          Gordon:  In your most recent Calvin Seminary Conference Lectures in Michigan, you presented on how the colonial Dutch at the turn of the 20th Century conducted a successful counter-insurgency campaign in Aceh. What role was played by a Dutch academic expert on Islam?



          Durie:  Snouck Hurgronje’s proposals were considered to have turned the tide of a decades-long and very costly jihad insurgency. It had been a political nightmare for the Dutch. Some of Snouck Hurgronje’s key points were that the Dutch had to finally grasp that they were fighting a religious war. This meant that the power and influence of the ulamas had been raised to new heights by jihad conditions.  They had to support traditional non-Islamic authority structures in Acehnese culture, specifically the traditional rulers whose interests balanced those of religious leaders. They had to stop brutalizing and punishing the general population, and they needed to pursue and eliminate hostile religious leaders who were stoking the jihad dogma among the people. Snouck Hurgronje argued that key Islamic leaders who were driving the insurgency could never be ‘converted’ to the Dutch cause. 

To implement this policy the Dutch used lightly armed groups of soldiers to pursue the Islamic teachers through the jungles. After a decade of following this policy the jihad insurgency war was essentially won.


        • Jack Diamond says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 1:30 pm

          and naturally, this. The road to hell is paved with… etc etc:
          “The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has promised to offer sanctuary for Syrian refugees at Lambeth Palace.

          A spokesman for the archbishop said refugees would be welcome to a four-bedroom cottage at the palace, his official London residence. “As the archbishop has said, Jesus was a refugee, and there are refugees here who are desperate for sanctuary from war-torn places and the archbishop is completely torn about their situation and wants to make a difference.”

          Meanwhile, the first of 20,000 Syrian refugees are expected to arrive in the UK in the coming days.
          http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34306514

        • Mazo says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 2:09 pm

          Snouck Hurgronje was friends with the Javanese Muslim Ulama and especially with the Arab Grand Mufti of the East Indies Sayyid Uthman. The Mufti issued Fatwa in support of Hurgronje’s (entirely political) campaign to conquer Aceh (for the greed of the Dutch colonialist rulers, who persecuted and slaughtered pagan Banda islanders and Papuans, the same Dutch colonialists who forced the Hindu Osing people to convert to Islam)

          There was no religious war in the East Indies. The Dutch colonialists were crafty, greedy merchants who looked for profits and had no hesitation in slaughtering and exterminating pagan peoples.

        • Jack Diamond says

          Oct 5, 2015 at 7:01 pm

          “From the mid-1880s, the Acehnese military leadership was dominated by religious ulema, including Teungku Chik di Tiro (Muhamma Saman), who propagated the concept of a “holy war” through sermons and texts known as hikayat or poetic tales. Acehnese fighters viewed themselves as religious martyrs fighting “infidel invaders”. By this stage, the Aceh War was being used as a symbol of Muslim resistance to Western imperialism.”
          -http://www.academia.edu/1120746/The_Dutch_and_radical_Islam_in_nineteenth-century_Sumatra_The_Padri_War_1821-1837_the_Aceh_War_1873-1903_and_their_aftermaths

          Tiro called a Jihad, which makes it a religious war. The specific targeting of the ulema exhorting jihad, and their elimination (done very ruthlessly), ended the jihad. We’re not discussing Dutch colonialism, good bad or ugly, but effective tactics for today in combating the menace of Islamic jihad–a matter which would not interest you.

  6. somehistory says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 7:12 pm

    He’s smiling, but his eyes are empty. Much like the ones he is embracing.

  7. Dan says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    WE have provided hundreds, if not thousands of examples, with physical evidence and video footage, of Muslims abusing everybody else.

    Where as from Muslims, all we’ve had are third party accusations. Someone said I heard from somewhere.

    Show us the burned mosques, the Muslims butchered and beheaded by our side. (And please more than one or two examples cause we’re not denying a few nut jobs on our side have done stupid things.)

    Show us the improperly dressed or married Christian women who’ve had acid flung at them, or been honor killed, by other Christians.

    Islam seems to have neighborhoods and entire gene pools of nut jobs, and they support them, whereas we hunt ours down.

  8. mortimer says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Justin Welby is naïve and almost totally uninformed about Islam, so he proposes solution such as dialogue which is ‘impermissible’, anathema and blasphemous under Islamic law.

    Justin Welby comes from a business background and believes CEOs and managers from competing companies can simply come to terms with one another and negotiate peace.

    Justin Welby has no idea how devious Muslims are if they take the doctrine of TAQIYYA seriously.

    Justin Welby needs some well-informed advisers on Islam like Canon Mark Durie and Canon Andrew White, the ‘Vicar of Baghdad’. He should not be making statements about Islam SPONTANEOUSLY without consulting real experts…not the cheaply opinionated.

  9. Voytek Gagalka says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    “Interfaith Dialogue” will not make “Easing of Fears Of Muslim Community.” What it will do it will cause narcosis of non-Muslims so they could be easier to conquer and subjugated. That is the reason “interfaith dialogue” was created and designed for in the first place, you fools! Secondly, it should not be a job of non-believers “to easy fears of Muslim community.” Who cares about fears of Mohammedans? Let them fear to the utmost of the biggest fear! And let them go to hell with that FEAR!

  10. mortimer says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Robert Spencer summed up the problem which Justin Welby does not understand: “Whatever happened at Srebrenica…those Christians who committed murder (could not) justify their murders by pointing to the teachings of Christianity”

    They could not do so because of the Golden Rule. However, Justin Welby is unaware that ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE A GOLDEN RULE.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 8:44 am

      Whatever happened at Srebrenica…those Christians who committed murder (could not) justify their murders by pointing to the teachings of Christianity
      — Robt Spencer

      Which is exactly why the table is set for the Moslem to win out and attain global Sharia over the next century. They have divine backing, where the resistance has no such thing, and will indeed be prosecuted or even bombed into submission for responding in kind.

      It always strikes me when a dispute starts in India. After an especially rousing sermon on a Friday afternoon a flock of Moslem Men leave the mosque, go down the street, and promptly burn down a cherished Hindu temple. That’s happened many, many times. What also happens every time is that a “reporter” from Reuters shows up when the Hindus respond in kind and torch the mosque, whereupon the Reuters guy recounts only the second half of the story, the part where religious intolerance is causing violence, as if the Hindus are equivalent or even primary in the trouble.

      Equivalency. The word, and the concept it invokes, has a magical effect. In the real world things are seldom if ever equivalent, but in the real world of elisive reporting, equivalency thrives in this or that Fictive Reality.

      • kay says

        Oct 5, 2015 at 9:48 am

        Re APF: “It always strikes me when a dispute starts in India. After an especially rousing sermon on a Friday afternoon a flock of Moslem Men leave the mosque, go down the street, and promptly burn down a cherished Hindu temple.”
        ——————————–

        That’s a most important point, APF. The Hindus and the Sikhs really fought back.
        According to some maps the jihadis actually won almost all of India and South Asia for some years or decades. Just as the jihadis won and kept Spain for a long time.

        There is justification for war in the Bhagavad Gita with Rama and Arjuna:
        “Therefore Arjuna, Stand And Fight!”
        Primitive Christianity does not have that.
        And that was a major reason I figured out in seventh grade I could never be a classical Christian. I knew World War II was necessary.

        Technically, Buddhists get to fight and kill ( but not murder, of course ). But the Buddhists of medieval India never fought. If one million Buddhists ( out of ten million ) had fought, then Buddhist India would have been saved, and not destroyed by Islamic genocide.

        From my standpoint the Islamists did not win against Buddhist India, the Buddhists threw the match. There were universities to protect. I will never forgive the Indian Buddhists for failing to protect the greatest university the world had ever seen. That was worse than Pearl Harbor. Buddhists, altho often very sharp and high consciousness – are often not practical people, and most have had no concept of fighting until fairly recently.

        Hindus can fight. Christians will have to fight. Buddhists need to buy a clue and smell the burning villages. And they have really good stuff too, like Shao Lin kung fu, which is what Bruce Lee learned. For a Buddhist, the model should be more like Shao Lin type practice. That’s why I always recommend the ( generic, not specifically Buddhist ) book “Zen In The Martial Arts”, by Joe Hyams.

        It’s time to grow a spine and get serious. War is upon us all. I think there are a lot of young blonde girls in Europe who need some Shao Lin sparring practice, and soon. It’s better than getting raped. Sitting practice won’t get you there, brothers and sisters. That was Zen and this is now. Wake up. Feminism needs to go kung-fu.

  11. Alv Vatzdal says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    It was a nice speech.

  12. ensitue says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Talk about the Walking Dead

  13. tedh754 says

    Oct 4, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    I remember when I was younger and evangelicals said the “whore of Babylon” was the Catholic church. I didn’t believe them. I didn’t believe them, then.

  14. Henry Law says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:04 am

    The Archbishop of Mosul should have tried some dialogue when ISIS arrived. Why didn’t he think of that? Dialogue with muslims is a one-way street. It is just a softening-up exercise in takkiya.

  15. Daniel Joseph Johnson says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:39 am

    Islam is evil incarnate. Nothing needs more to be said. Act on the obvious.

  16. Mark A says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 2:07 am

    The Anglican Church and the Episcopal Church are both losing members at a rapid rate, possibly because they just blow with whatever fashionable ideas are currently popular among the politically correct crowd and don’t stand for anything firmly Christian or anything resembling traditional Western values.

    Inter-faith “dialogue” with Islam is a one way street. Read the Koran; it says that all People of the Book (that’s Christians and Jews) are to be given three choices: convert to Islam, pay the jizya with willing submission, or die. Other non-Muslims face a more basic choice: convert to Islam or die.

    That doesn’t sound like a promising foundation for dialogue. The Anglican Church is the “established” state church in England. I can’t say it’s leadership inspires any confidence in Britain’s future as a western nation.

  17. kay says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 2:58 am

    To repeat:
    1) The Anglican Church Fully Accepts the “revelation” of the Koran. That ALWAYS means that Jesus is ONLY a prophet and NOT a Christ, and that he was NOT hung up on any cross. The Anglican Church is therefore worthless in Christian and in political terms. They only run the ball backwards and score goals for the enemy.

    2) Islamic theology is rubbish and nonsense. Bloody nonsense. The Koran is literally unreadable because of the collating order of the chapters and the need to establish contexts and determine overriding verses for each verse. The Koran is the most stupid, self-contradictory and dangerous “book” on the planet. So we have to teach what it REALLY means and teach the history of Mohammed and the origins of the Koran.
    This is ( once again ) crucial:
    An Historical Critique of Islam’s Beginnings – Jay Smith
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9lIuUjPs0
    That video is just as important as Dr. Warner’s “Why We Are Afraid”.

    The Koran is NONSENSE. It’s just made up stuff. It was just thrown together. It’s Not A Real Book! For Pope Francis to kiss this stupid “book” or for the Anglicans to claim this “book” is legitimate is beyond absurd.
    Real theology kills off Islam, as we have only recently learned in depth and breadth. ( And the same is true of real historical analysis. )
    Go Theology! Beat Islam!
    I found all the necessary levers and I shovel the real stuff out there. The Archbishop of Canterbury no longer matters. The Anglicans are finished.
    Teach people the REAL story ( Andrew Bostom books and Bill Warner’s Political Islam material ) so they can be free.

  18. DP111 says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 6:22 am

    Arch Bish ““Christians and Muslims are not called to a ghetto-like existence, although both our faiths have from time to time acted in that way, through fear or defensiveness,” said. “We are called by contrast to be actively involved in our society not for our own good but for the common good”,

    What on earth is this man saying? The Muslim community has been intimately involved with tens of thousands of young non-Muslim girls for decades.

    It is downright unfair that the devotion to care of young White non-Muslim girls community by Muslims, has not been recognised.

  19. DP111 says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 6:23 am

    1 Kings 21: 3 – And Naboth said to Ahab, The LORD forbid it me, that I should give the inheritance of my fathers unto thee.

    To the Archbishop.

    European Christendom is God’s gift to Europeans & Christians, and at most a place of safety to others. The Bible does not teach us to give away the inheritance of our descendants, to the sworn enemies of Christian Western civilisation. This generation merely holds it in trust. Its not ours to give away.

    It seems Mad Merkel is under the impression that Germany is hers to give away. It wont be long before the stupidity of this woman is going to inflict a fatal wound on Europe.

  20. duh_swami says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 8:31 am

    ‘Talk is cheap. Interfaith dialogue is really cheap.There is only room for one religious supremacist bigot at the top.

  21. bassi says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 11:57 am

    a****holes like him are somehow allowed the platform to destroy a nation and the good people in it
    On the pretext of being a Christian he willing to suck up to the nasty philosophy that rules the shit religion that he is supporting
    I wish the people of Britain have the courage to stand up and dismiss this bastard and what he stands for, find another leader who will respect Christians and their concerns.

  22. Benedict says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Christian leaders go overboard on the love rhy neighbor stuff. The muslims are the aggresive ones the others are afraid off. They need to stop this nonsense

  23. Lenny Thetruth says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    Sometimes religion must evolve, and at other times, it must remain rigid. You believe in right and wrong as always either right, or it’s wrong. New information is needed to change something from one sphere to the other. If you believe Christianity must evolve, you have to ask what it would evolve to. If we believe the religion out to change, then you follow the wrong faith, don’t you.

    The real idea of interfaith meetings is to teach tolerance of one faith to the others. If the basic tenets of a religion preclude tolerance of other faith’s, and say they should kill you, all the meetings in the world won’t help. Christianity and Islam are the only two faiths that feel a necessity to prosthelytize. One may do it by going door to door, and the other may do it at the point of a knife. Either way, it is wrong. Let people find the faith they need by searching their own soul.

    But, by all means, never willingly sit down and speak with the devil. The devil can not be trusted to speak the truth. If you want to have open discourse with another faith, you must understand the other faith first. You don’t have to memorize the Qu’ran, nor the Bible. You can get an idea what a person’s religion is like by watching it’s people and how they react to one another. Islam has shown me enough. I would like to be more tolerant of them, but they have to stop trying to kill us first. Yes, I know that when I die, some people will say I was an infidel. I don’t really care. I’ll be dead, and words will no longer be heard.

  24. jayell says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    “Archbishop of Canterbury urges more interfaith dialogue to ease fears of Muslim community”….

    Informed authorities have it that Islam is not a ‘faith’ but a totaltarian political ideology with a contrived pseudo-religious facade. So you can’t ipso facto have an ‘interfaith’ dialogue with it, therefore the title’s wrong for a start.

    “….he also urged Muslim leaders to do more than simply condemn terrorism; they should also promote an alternative, peaceful version of their religion.”

    If they try to ‘promote an alternative and peaceful version of their religion’ they are committing heresy, which is punishable by death. The Qu’ran is supposed to be the perfect revelation of the word of Allah, and if anything like that ‘nice’ bits from Mecca have been abrogated out, that has been done by divine ordination. So it’s not allowed. At least two prominent islamic types have tried it, one was executed in 1985 for his trouble and the other one in Morrocco has got a fatwa out against him. Sorry, Mr. Welby, you should have known about that.

    “….But he added that Muslims in Britain feel they are effectively living under siege…..”

    From whom, exactly?

    …..“The Muslims I meet in mosques and across Wales generally are concerned about the environment where they are raising their children,” he said….”

    Oh dear, oh dear, so who’s molesting them and physically attacking them and abusing them? I never see anyting about that in the press and the blogs! What about the non-muslim parents of places like Rotherham who have had every reason to fear for their daughters because of the environment i which they now live?

    “[It is] an environment in which to be a Muslim is to be treated with suspicion; an environment in which far right groups increasingly protest against Muslims; an environment in which there are arson attacks against mosques; an environment in which a Muslim woman walking down the street is likely to be … spat at or abused.”

    So we’ve had 9/11, 7/7, taxi rapes all over the UK, the muslim paedophile gangs in Keighley, Rotherham, Rochdale, Birmingham, Oxford,…….and strangely we get some ‘suspicion’? How very odd! And it’s just as odd that it has to be the so-called ‘far right’ that does a few nasty things, without any provocation, of course! There’s been news of ONE arson attack on a mosque in recent times, so where Mr. Welby’s ‘attacks’ on ‘mosques’ (plural) comes from, I don’t know. And it’s not nice for muslim women to be spat at and abused, agreed. Just like it’s not nice for English girls to be abducted, drugged and disgustingly abused. Or people walking around ‘muslim areas’ (sic) harassaed and abused. Or a family member of mine viciously attacked and his car stolen – by muslims.

    “….Call it Islamophobia, call it anti-Muslim prejudice, call it racism, but whatever you call it is wrong and it is sadly becoming a norm…..”

    ‘Islamophobia’ means FEAR of islam. Most people in the UK don’t ‘fear’ islam, they just detest it. ‘Prejudice’ means ‘pre-judging’. No-one is ‘pre-judging’ islam, we already KNOW the facts about islam. And ‘islam’ is NOT a race, so aversion to it cannot be ‘racism’.

    I’ve actually met Mr. Welby. He’s a very nice man. And he’s very intelligent. So why all this gibberish?

  25. simon campbell says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    At least he is not shouting Allah Ackbar and wanting people beheaded.

    • Mirren10 says

      Oct 6, 2015 at 10:10 am

      No, but he is enabling those who *do*. In ny opinion, that makes him, and the rest of his ilk, almost as guilty.

      Like the muslims who don’t go jihadist themselves, but excuse, deny, and protect those who do.

  26. Mark says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    Looks like he is as christian as the lasr arch bullpoo.

    IE HE IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

    Interfailth dialogue – a mainstream way muslims have to administer the sleeping pill

  27. citycat says

    Oct 5, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    So these interfaith chats are not about the substance in each religion, but trivia about the surround.
    There has not been such a problem between any of Hindus, Witches, Sikhs, Wizards, Jews, Satanists, Christians, Buddhists, Druze, etc, who all, more or less, don’t interfaith or interfere with each other’s religion to the point of violence, like what Islam does.
    I had interfaith dialogue recently with a Christian propagating Christ on the street. I mentioned Islam straight away, avoiding god, and he was enthused, and we talked about the evil in Islam, Mo, and who the anti-christ might be. Although i have discussed god etc with Christians without friction, if i was to be truthful with a Muslim then aggression would probably ensue. They’ve aggressively been propagating Islam in Hyde park i seen on youtube.
    They’ve spoilt it.
    Mr Archbishop’s karma could be to be reborn as a Muslim, if he loves them so much.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 5, 2015 at 9:29 pm

      Great post, citycat.

  28. Baucent says

    Oct 6, 2015 at 3:02 am

    “Whatever happened at Srebrenica, did those Christians who committed murder justify their murders by pointing to the teachings of Christianity? Of course not. Nor could they have done so. But Islamic jihadists routinely invoke the texts and teachings of Islam to justify their actions and make recruits among peaceful Muslims”

    That is an excellent point Robert. And if those texts promote hatred of Christians are they from God?

    The problem with a lot of the church leaders in the West is that they so wish to be loving and accepting, that they have lost the ability to recognize evil and the works of the devil (who their professor at seminary school told them doesn’t exist anyway.)

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