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Cameron to “Barack”: “Every religion has its extremists, but…biggest problem…is the Islamist extremist violence”

Oct 1, 2015 9:24 am By Robert Spencer

When you’re too politically correct even for a self-deluded and compromised dhimmi such as David Cameron, you’ve really gone round the bend. “Barack,” said Cameron chummily, “you are quite right, that every religion has its extremists, but we have to be frank that the biggest problem we have today is the Islamist extremist violence that has given birth to ISIL, to Al Shabaab to Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and so many other groups.”

This is an extraordinary statement, particularly coming from Cameron, who up to now has been an energetic purveyor of the mainstream fantasies. It marks a significant departure from the moral equivalence that otherwise dominates the public discourse today: every religion has its extremists, you see: 25,000 jihad terror attacks worldwide since 9/11 vs…Tim McVeigh!

Cameron couldn’t keep it up, however: he immediately retreated back into the prevailing unicorn-and-moonbeams fantasy: “These people claim to act in the name of the Islamic religion. They don’t. I can say they don’t over and over again. You can say they don’t, but there is nothing more powerful than, for instance, what the king of Jordan has just said.” Jordan’s King Abdullah had said that Muslims have to lead the fight. But he vowed a powerful fight against the Islamic State when the jihadis burned the Jordanian pilot to death, which was months ago, and what has he done since then? A few airstrikes for face-saving purposes.

As for Cameron’s “These people claim to act in the name of the Islamic religion. They don’t,” he offered no explanation for why the Islamic State’s non-Islamic Islam is so compelling that 30,000 Muslims from 100 countries have now traveled to join the Islamic State, and more are trying to do so all the time. He did not explain because he cannot explain: the facts belie his fantasies. But his fantasies hamstring the effort to combat the Islamic State: he has foreclosed upon any honest examination of their motives and goals, and it is an adage as old as warfare that one cannot defeat an enemy that one does not understand. Western leaders — Cameron but not just Cameron — refuse to understand the Islamic State.

Britain NATO Summit“After Obama Said Extremism Is Not Limited to ‘One Faith,’ Here’s How the U.K.’s David Cameron Responded,” by Fred Lucas, The Blaze, September 29, 2015 (thanks to Ralph):

fter President Barack Obama told other world leaders that violent extremism isn’t limited to any one faith, British Prime Minister David Cameron didn’t disagree — but he did add a pointed clarification.

“Violent extremism is not unique to any one faith, so no one should ever be profiled or targeted simply because of their faith,” Obama said Tuesday as he chaired the U.N. Leaders’ Summit on Countering ISIL and Violent Extremism.

Cameron stressed that violence extremism can only be stopped at the root, which is radicalized Islam.

“Barack, you are quite right, that every religion has its extremists, but we have to be frank that the biggest problem we have today is the Islamist extremist violence that has given birth to ISIL, to Al Shabaab to Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and so many other groups,” Cameron said.

Cameron went on to say that Muslim leaders around the world must speak out against the radical groups.

“These people claim to act in the name of the Islamic religion. They don’t. I can say they don’t over and over again. You can say they don’t, but there is nothing more powerful than, for instance, what the king of Jordan has just said,” Cameron said, referring to earlier remarks by Jordanian King Abdullah.

Abdullah said, “First and foremost, this is our fight. Muslims nations have to lead this fight.”

Great. When will you start?

Cameron also noted during his remarks that Western countries must take a firm stance to keep the root of violence from settling into Muslim communities.

“We need to challenge the extremist worldview right from the start. What does that mean? In Western countries it means we have to root out the extremists preachers that are poisoning the minds of young Muslims in our country,” Cameron said. “We have to build more integrated societies so young people feel they truly belong. And we have to make sure we don’t allow the incubation of an extremist worldview even before it gets to justifying violence. We’ve got to get it out of our schools. Get it out of our prisons. Get it out of our universities. I believe in freedom of speech. But freedom to hate is not the same thing.”…

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  1. Peter Buckley says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 9:44 am

    See Sam Harris’ take on so-called “extremism”:

    “Extremism isn’t a problem if the fundamentals of the religion are peaceful”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMFsO58hXVM

    When Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. become violent AS A GROUP, it is to save their culture and their people, in CONTRADICTION WITH the teachings of their religion. When muslim “extremists” become violent, they are ADHERING TO their religion.

    • mccode says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 11:34 am

      Thanks for posting the link.

      Sam Harris is an extraordinary speaker.

  2. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Wow, we’re making progress, where now Eton/Oxford Man David has finally realized that Moslem extremism is at this juncture more of a problem than the other extremisms:

    – Christian terrorists acting in the cause of the New Testament

    – Shinto terrorists acting in the cause of the Kojiki

    – Jew terrorists acting in the cause of the Old Testament

    – Confucian terrorists acting in the cause of the Four Books and the Commentaries

    – Hindu terrorists acting in the cause of the Vedas

    – Buddhist terrorists acting in the cause of the Sutras

    – Zoroastrian terrorists acting in the cause of the Avesta

    – Yazidi terrorists acting in the cause of the Black Book

    – Sikh terrorists acting in the cause of the Sikh Scriptures

    – Jains terrorists acting in the cause of the Agamas

    – Scientology terrorists acting in the name of the Modern Science of Mental Health

    – Taoist terrorists acting in the name of the Te Ching

    – Aztek terrorists (illegal aliens) acting in the name of the Borgia

    – Maya terrorists (illegal aliens) acting in the name of the Popol Vuh

    – Rastafarian terrorists (potheads) acting in the name of the Kebra Nagast

    Now that it has been discovered that terrorists acting in the cause of the Holy Ko-Ran are perhaps the bigger present day problem, we need Columbia/Yale Man Barack Hussein to respond to Eton/Oxford David’s recent discovery and apply his big fake Afro-American brain holding all that self-described vast knowledge base and find out whether there exists any difference in the *CONTENTS* of these central religious texts.

    Boy, I sure do look forward to seeing how this intellectual exercise plays out. I’m billing it as the Battle of the Big Brain Intellectual Superstars.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 10:18 am

      Editor’s note: “- Zoroastrian terrorists acting in the cause of the Yasna” is not included here cuz as I understand it the Persian Moslems have snuffed out all the Z-People to help move the world toward the Twelfth Imam being able to rise up from that well. Just saying.

      • August_West says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 10:26 am

        “Persian Moslems have snuffed out all the Z-People to help move the world toward the Twelfth Imam”

        This seems to imply that when Iran nukes Israel and the US that good ole “Imam #12” might not show after all?

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Oct 1, 2015 at 10:35 am

          No, mass murdering the Z-People is only a step in a long process. And for all we know there may still be some Z’s sneaking around up there in the mountains of northern Persia. Rome wasn’t built in a day. From what I hear the Supreme Leader (as Prez Barack Hussein and Secretary War Coward refer to him) plans to do a total snuff job on the remaining Druze up there in Lebanon first. By then the ICBM platforms supplied by Communist China’s proxy bad guy Kim Jong Ungh will be worked out and the tips fully tested and loaded, ready for deployment.

      • Mazo says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 10:34 pm

        Zoroastrians still exist in Iran, Pakistan, and India. In Iran they are about 25,000 people and they still have their Fire Temples.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 12:15 am

          Yeah–never mind that they are a tiny,oppressed surviving remnant. Certainly, that is something Mazo hopes we won’t notice…

      • Jay Boo says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 11:18 pm

        Persians are not really true Muslims

        They are a conquered people who hide their subservient status to Saudi Arabia’s Muhammad with syrupy sentimentality toward the lineage of Arab masters. They are merely Islamic slaves who try to paint over Sunni Arab shackles to make them appear as if Persian bracelets. Why do they bother to stand and celebrate the Persian New Year when they still crawl in submission to Islam and bow toward Mecca?

        ??? Maybe a translation of this song might explain their strange fascination with the Mohammadians and their Allah.
        Khoda Hafez

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 12:17 am

          Unfortunately, Iranian Muslims are just as savage as their Arab Muslim counterparts, stoning women to death and threatening to “wipe Israel off the map”.

        • Jay Boo says

          Oct 3, 2015 at 1:12 am

          True G. I.
          A Sunni Pit Bull has just as nasty a disposition as a Shia Pit Bull.

          BTW To all pit bull owners whom it may concern — blah
          I know that isn’t PC and I could have said alligator so the pit bull loving crowd will keep at bay but I dislike pit bull owners even more than the pit bulls themselves, so they might as well save their words.

      • Cliffhild says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 4:43 am

        –not quite. I have a Parsi Indian friend — i.e. Persian Indian/Zoroastrian — now living in NZ, and she tells me that there is a Zoroastrian community still lving in Bombay, India.

        So glad you call them ‘Persians’, much more civilised than Iranians.

    • Tiredofstupid says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 11:22 am

      Yeah I stay up nights worrying about the dang Amish terrorists also.

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Oct 1, 2015 at 11:36 am

        There in on it, too? I didn’t know that. Are you serious? Man, this means still more trouble from Central PA all the way over to the corn country of Iowa.

  3. August_West says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 9:56 am

    Sadly the Pope would seem to agree with Obama as well and also come out to the left of Cameron.

    When Putin is the only person in the room making any sense at all, you know something is fundamentally wrong.

    Islamic Extremist Violence = Islamic Military Doctrine

    In my view we need to drop that adjective “Extremist” from the public dialog as it pertains to Islam.
    Heck even the NRA uses the term “Extremist” in their recent ads.

  4. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Heck even the NRA uses the term “Extremist” in their recent ads.

    Apparently Wayne LaPierre has been watching too much Sean Hannity. Doing that can get to a guy, it’s the repetition. In the Royal Navy the old saying in tough times was “Hold Fast”. Well, now that even the NRA has gone over the edge, hold fast to your Smith & Wesson, cuz you may need it in the not too distant future.

    For any long gun requirements that might crop up, hold fast to an AR-15.

  5. mortimer says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:15 am

    Jordan’s King Abdullah has done little because his enemies are within. Many Jordanians support ISIS and the totalitarian philosophy it proposes. Mohammed rejected kingship but proposed a semi-divine dictator-for-life system. Muslims are fixated on dictatorship as the answer to all ills, even though it brought them 1400 of assassinations, revolts and genocides.

    Muslims are delusional that a failed system can magically work out well when it never has.

  6. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:28 am

    Muslims are delusional that a failed system can magically work out well when it never has.

    This is inaccurate and unfair. When the Moslems have been able to take over this or that country, their operations have always suffered the predations of the British Empire or some other colonial European power, or the KGB, or even the CIA.

    We’ll find out once the Moslems are able to take over the whole world. Then they will be left alone from outside meddling, and will be able to work the magic of the Holy Ko-Ran unfettered. The Shia vs Sunni schism will play for a while, but I’m confident that the boys will be able to fall in behind the Book.

    Then we’ll see whether Islam is a “failed system”. That’s the only way to find out for sure.

  7. vlparker says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:30 am

    25,000 to 1. Yeah, sounds like all religions are the problem, Hussein.

  8. Charli Main says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:43 am

    David Cameron has recently been intimately involved in getting Saudi Arabia, one of the most racist, repressive and bigoted Muslim countries on the planet, elected to the UNHRC. David Cameron is a Muslim ar*e kissing sock puppet that consistently denies a glaring, self evident fact—–radical Islam is normative Islam. There is no Kumbya version of Islam.

  9. Charlie in NY says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:49 am

    I can immediately think of something “more powerful” than the Jordanian monarch speaking out against Islamic State. How about al-Azhar issuing a clear theological refutation of all the arguments made by Islamic extremists, including the one that stipulates that Muslim conquered land is forever Muslim property even if they are later dispossessed.
    No such refutation will be forthcoming because, the way Islam is theologically and exegetically constructed, any credible refutation is not possible. But no one even expects al-Azhar to do anything, because such a demand would be “blaming the victim” and borderline Islamophobic.

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 1:23 pm

      You seem to be badmouthing the intellectual honesty of universities. What about the intellectual rigor surrounding climate science, the universities have certainly gotten a lot done there. True, all the predictive computer models failed, and true, computer models do not constitute science, and true earth’s temperature has been flat for 20 yrs now, and true some universities were caught red-handed faking statistics (aka “dastisticks”) and executing a cover up… but they’ve built an impressive body of work. The same can be said on the work done around ideologies and conflict in the contemporary world, a truly impressive body of work.

  10. John Hartley says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:53 am

    You idiot, Cameron. The leader of ISIS, Abubakr al Baghdadis has a doctorate in Islamic Theology. How do your Islamic credentials stack up against his. He rightly claims to be emulating the actions of his prophet, the devil’s disciple Mohammed, who overran Arabia in ten years through the application of ‘Terror’.

  11. Angemon says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 10:56 am

    “Barack, you are quite right, that every religion has its extremists, but we have to be frank that the biggest problem we have today is the Islamist extremist violence that has given birth to ISIL, to Al Shabaab to Al Nusra, Al Qaeda and so many other groups,” Cameron said.

    I suspect that it dawned on him that #piggate means “goodbye muslim vote” – why pander to someone who won’t vote on you?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 11:39 am

      why pander to someone who won’t vote on you?

      That’s what John Boehner might be starting to wonder, although he’ll continue his good work this month to complete the job of setting up what Prez Barack Hussein needs for the next budget year.

      But Kevin McCarthy might wanna mull this question.

  12. kessler says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 11:41 am

    “every religion has extremists”…yes, heard that many times.

    Likewise, “Islam is a young religion – it needs more time before it’s ready for democracy”.
    I know it’s a bit off topic, but it’s a recurring counter argument by Islamic apologists. Can anyone please write a paragraph or two to efficiently dismantle this argument?

    • Lucretius says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 5:09 pm

      I’ll give you a quick come back to the second point. Sikhism and the Bahá’í faith are younger (15th and 19th centuries) and far more peaceable than Islam. They’ve had no problem integrating in modern societies.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 1:32 am

      Kessler wrote:

      Likewise, “Islam is a young religion – it needs more time before it’s ready for democracy”.

      I know it’s a bit off topic, but it’s a recurring counter argument by Islamic apologists. Can anyone please write a paragraph or two to efficiently dismantle this argument?
      ……………………………..

      Yes–I’m tired of this witless canard, as well.

      Firstly, as Lucretius points, out, there are younger religions whose followers are not violent.

      I would add Scientology in with this–while I am no particular fan, Scientologists are not beheading people in the streets.

      The only case where this makes the vaguest amount of sense is Islam vis-a-vis Christianity, since Islam is 600 years younger.

      But even this falls apart on the barest examination. There is nothing intrinsically violent about the tenets of Christianity–would that that were true of Islam.

      And while Europe in 1400 could be violent, it was also producing unprecedented glories of art, letters, and thought–the splendor of the Renaissance. Where is there anything similar in Islam?

      Moreover, Islam is supposed to be unchanging, Pious Muslims do not recoil over the bloody horrors of Dark Ages Arabia–they seek to *replicate it*. The “Prophet” Muhammed is not considered a product of his time, but a model for *all time*.

      And the “product of his time” argument doesn’t really work, either, since Jesus was a peaceful and gentle figure in a time that was neither.

      Further, there is another reason this paradigm does not work–while rational Westerners consider Islam to date from the seventh century, Muslims *do not*. They believe that Islam dates back to Adam, and that all the figures in the Torah (Old Testament)–as well as “Jesus” himself–are actually *Muslim*.

      So as they see it, Islam is not actually younger than Christianity, but actually much older.

      This brainless meme also exhibits a deep ignorance how human societies evolve–they do not do so in a vacuum. Right now, the Muslim world has the largely civilized model of the West before them–and it is not that they are implementing it unevenly, it is that they are *rejecting it* outright.

      Instead, with the Islamic revival of recent decades they are increasingly recreating a world just like that of Muhammed, replete with slavery and oppression and outright genocide.

  13. Tiredofstupid says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 11:42 am

    Jordan correctly said it is the fight the muslims need to fight. Western military cannot win the fight because the more we kill the more will come to support the “brothers” but if the saudis don’t get involved in the fighting it will be useless also. The saudis have funded the madrassas that promote the wahabbist doctrine that is behind the jihad currently afflicting the world today. The saudis are to blame for the trouble we have in the muslim world today as they have promoted jihad, funded jihad, educated the masses for jihad, but since they have big oil they are untouchable to our current political establishment. Outside of developing an alternative fuel source and possibly nuking rihayd untii it’s glowing glass I’m not sure what can actually solve the jihadist problem. With a little luck ISIS will conquer the kingdom and murder the al-saud family and that will allow our big oil political masters to give the western governments the green light to actually go to war and kick ass instead of the current pissing around.

  14. somehistory says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 11:51 am

    Yes, they can all say it, over and over again…but it will remain what *it* is…a big fat lie.
    If they eliminated all other people who have any other religious belief and only moslems with their worship of the beast from satan were left…there would still be just as many terrorists and acts of terrorism committed by moslems as there are now. And terrorism would be just as big of a problem as it is now.

    C and o can say islam has nothing to do with terrorism until the cows come home and go back out to pasture a thousand times….and it will still be a big fat lie.

    If c and o could eliminate extreme cold and extreme heat and end poverty and joblessness and acne and headaches and stomach upset and poorly cooked peas…moslems would still commit their terrorist acts because that is what they do…what they are commanded to do and what they enjoy doing.

    And what is more…both of them know it full well. They know when they say differently that they are lying. They know they are trying to prop up a failed image of a death cult. They know it is all a satanic lie.

    One can never make a lie true by the use of repetition.
    (Revelation 13).

  15. William says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    Idiot: Every religion has its extremists.
    Lesser Idiot: Well what about the current extremists in the Middle East and
    elsewhere? Aren’t they Islamic extremists?
    Idiot: No. What they do has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is a religion of
    peace.
    Lesser Idiot: Ok. I got it.

  16. jayell says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    Actually, I quite like the picture at the top of this story. Cameron and Obama looking in opposite directions. Or are they loking around to see who’s likely to stab them in the back?

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 1:42 am

      In that case, Cameron should keep his eye on Obama…

  17. Tom W Harris says

    Oct 1, 2015 at 7:56 pm

    Let’s caption that pic. I’ll start. Cameron “The guy standing next to me is a goddamn bozo.”

    • deja vu says

      Oct 1, 2015 at 11:02 pm

      “The guy standing next to me is a goddamn bozo.”

      Well, yes, but being educated at Eton he’s more likely to say, “That guy standing next to me is an insufferable prat.”

      • jayell says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 2:26 pm

        And THAT actually coming from an insufferable prat! Like most of the opinionated, delusional garbage that Eton turns out. Did you know that this expensive ‘icon of excellence’ has been beaten in the league tables by a State School???

    • somehistory says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 2:11 am

      C: “Oh, lookee, I’ve made him angry.” (He seems to be laughing and pointing at o.)
      C is smiling, o has his arms crossed in the classic “i’m not listening” pose and his expression speaks of anger and not getting his way.

      • Tom W Harris says

        Oct 2, 2015 at 2:39 am

        O’s thinking: “Don’t say nuthin’ bad about muh ham head.”

    • Angemon says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 2:40 pm

      Cameron: “This guy would need TWO pig heads – I’ve seen it”

  18. Az gal says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 4:58 am

    British Prime Minister has to give a lesson in politics & religion to American President Barack Obama. What an idiot! How embarrassing for the U S.

  19. Dr John says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Cameron’s remarks are grossly offensive to practicing Christians everywhere in the world. Where is the Anglican Church beheading children? Where are the Baptists stoning women to death? Where are the Methodist gangs raping young under age muslim children in the UK? Was it the Catholic Church that killed so many innocent people in the World Trade Centre?

    You know the answer, David. Just tell the truth, if you know what that is. It is only Muslim fundamentalists all around the world who are causing death and mayhem, particularly to Christian communities. Why don’t you support those oppressed Christians instead of falling over backwards to support “moderate” muslims, who do not exist if they believe in the Qur’an, Hadith and Sharia?

    • mortimer says

      Oct 2, 2015 at 10:29 pm

      ‘Moderate’ Muslims are not practicing jihad and so they are ‘lax’ Muslims or ‘hypocrites’ who are ‘draft dodgers’.

      They don’t believe in Islam enough to offer their lives for it.

  20. Mirren10 says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 7:42 am

    camoron, Obama, *and* Putin have got it all wrong, wrong !

    The **real** cause of the rise of the IS, and ‘Islamic extremism’ is; ta da ! **Climate change.**

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/charlotte-church-on-the-real-cause-of-syrias-civil-war-is-really-dividing-opinion/ar-AAf1UwV?li=AAaeUIW

    Yet another leftard bint opening its mouth and spewing pc nonsense.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 3, 2015 at 1:46 am

      Yeah–the idea that heat and water shortages are the cause of violent Jihad is just absurd.

      In this case, California should be more of a center of Jihad right now than Syria, with the drought here going into its fourth year.

  21. Holly says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Are you kidding me??? The only terrorism I have suffered from any other religion is those insufferable bike-riding mormons peddling in front of me on my way to work!!! Oh…wait…those jehova’s witnesses knock at ungodly hours. We cant leave them out!!!

    The religion of liberalism is the most dangerous religion by far in the world. It is the religion that makes terrorism possible. The religion of stupidity, denial, and lies. The unholy trinity.

  22. mortimer says

    Oct 2, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    David Cameron said, “We need to challenge the extremist worldview right from the start. What does that mean?”

    It means CHALLENGING THE WORLD-CONQUEST philosophy in the Koran, hadiths and Sira…Islam’s source texts.

    A deity that calls for sadistic brutality and genocide based on religious belief must be FALSE.

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