“Mohamad Jebara is the Chief Imam, resident scholar at the Cordova Spiritual Education Centre.” His claim that “Islam in its essence calls for a division between faith and state” is extraordinary, since throughout the history of Islam there never was a division between faith and state until the advent of secular Turkey in the twentieth century — and secular Turkey was founded upon an explicit rejection of political Islam, not a development within Islam that allowed for secular government. Jebara also says: “The closest to the notion of an ‘Islamic State’, if there were such a thing, would be humanist democracy” — and yet there never has been an Islamic humanist democracy in the history of the world. Here again, Turkey cannot be counted as one, as it was built upon a rejection of Islamic principles regarding the state, not an application of them.
Mohamad Jebara, Chief Imam, resident scholar, is, in other words, misleading his readers and giving them false information — unless we are to believe that Islam in its essence has never been realized in 1,400 years of Islam.
“The delusion of an ‘Islamic State,'” by Mohamad Jebara, Ottawa Sun, October 18, 2015:
Being ardent about languages, history and their psychological impact upon perspective, I cannot help but observe signs displayed in the background of news footage from within the “Islamic State” and put these signs and slogans in their religious, historical and linguistic contexts.
When I see signs and graffiti that translate, “Khilafah in accordance with Guidelines of Prophecy”, it is clear to me that ISIS is attempting to justify and legitimize their existence by exploiting a common misunderstanding of the concept of Khilafah.
In the Qur`an, Khilafah refers to personal responsibility for the upkeep of the world, not a form of government.
In fact, neither Qur`an nor Prophet Muhammad speak about Khilafah as a form of governance. The Prophetic model of leadership is one in which a proficient government is elected by, and representative of, the people; not a totalitarian system, based on hatred, cruelty and intolerance.
The objective of Khilafah is for each citizen to take personal responsibility for establishing a just and balanced society, wherein social justice, equality and inclusion are the norm.
Contrary to what many presume, Islam in its essence calls for a division between faith and state, for once faith is politicized it is inevitable that it will become corrupted and manipulated for political and economic gains.
When the Ottoman Empire was officially dissolved in 1924, several contenders sought to seize the opportunity to claim the exploited title of “Caliph”, including Egypt’s King Fuad.
In response, Islamic scholar, Ali Abdel-Raziq (1888-1966) wrote a book highlighting that Caliphate is not a religious requirement.
Arguing against it, he said: “We have absolutely no need for such a caliphate; neither for our religious matters nor our worldly affairs. I assert that the caliphate had been a great tribulation and source of misery for both Islam and Muslims; a fountain of anguish and corruption.”…
Tolerance, justice, benevolence and good citizenship are the foundation of Khilafah. Khilafah can be found and realized wherever these principles are established: This is the letter and spirit of Islam….
The closest to the notion of an “Islamic State”, if there were such a thing, would be humanist democracy.
Secular governance closes the door to the temptation to subjugate the populace with threats of divine retribution, thus engendering freedom of thought, tolerance, kindness and justice: a truly Islamic State.

Don McKellar says
I’m sure Turdeau has dispatched his people to sign this oily moslem conman for a new task force on “Islamophobia” in Canada and the steps needed to stomp it out.
Tom W Harris says
“Turdeau.” I am so stealing that.
mahghan says
These deceivers engage in brazen lies without batting an eyelid. They are all professional liars without any human conscience.
The fool mentions the dismantling of Turkey’s pretensions at Empire and how Islam is some kind of humanistic democracy. Yet the founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk had this to say about Islam:
“Islam, that theology of an immoral, illiterate Bedouin is a decaying corpse that is possessing a our life.”
Also famed psychologist, the German Carl Jung had this to say about Islam: “We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way, he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic, warlike and Islamic.”
And Hitler himself: “You see it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese who regard sacrificing for the fatherland as the highest good. The Mohammedan religion, Islam would have been more compatible to us than Christianity with all its meekness and flabbiness.”
And Alexis de Tocqueville(19th century author), the acclaimed author of “Democracy in America” wrote:
“I studied the Qur’an a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly men as that of Muhammad…… Muhammad professed to derive from Heaven and he has inserted in the Qur’an not only a body of religious doctrines, but political maxims, civil and criminal laws, and theories of science.
The Gospel on the other hand only speaks of the general relationship of men to God and each other–beyond which it inculcates no point of faith.
This alone, besides a thousand other reasons would suffice to prove that Islam will never long predominate in a cultivated or democratic age.”
The liar author of this article will fool no one except certified fools. There is nothing in Islam that points to any “humanistic democracy”. Keen observers of Islam have already pointed this out.
gravenimage says
Thank you for the salient quotes, mahghan.
Beagle says
You’ll love this:
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Quotations_on_Islam_from_Notable_Non-Muslims
Godwin says
This is called ” Takiyya ” in Islam.
Mike says
Turdeau’s first actions include pulling the Air Force from pounding on ISIS.
What a great start.
While I know that that’s not the intention, ISIS will view it as a win. Great. Just great.
gravenimage says
You’re right, Mike:
“Justin Trudeau: I’ll End ISIS Combat Mission, Restore Relations With Iran”
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06/23/justin-trudeau-i-ll-end-isis-combat-mission-restore-relations-with-iran_n_7650084.html
Angemon says
Red flag.
Red flag (in the context of being an imam).
Red flag.
Three strikes, Imam Mohamad is out.
gravenimage says
Yeah–“Cordova” is always shorthand for what foolish dhimmis assume to be “interfaith” coexistence, and supremacist Muslims know to be brutal Muslim conquest.
Jay Boo says
“Islam in its essence” — (fill in the blank)
That is their catch-all statement for dancing around the factual reality of Islamic texts.
Peter Buckley says
No doubt RS is aware of the following (reliable) hadith, which contradicts the claim often made by muslims that they MUST FOLLOW THE LAW OF THE LAND THEY LIVE IN:
Narrated ‘Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it. (See Hadith No. 203, Vol. 4)
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/089-sbt.php#009.089.258
In other words, muslims should abide by the Law, provided it is SHARIA-COMPLIANT.
bill walker says
Islam is insanity compounded !
Dan says
“When I see signs and graffiti that translate, “Khilafah in accordance with Guidelines of Prophecy”, it is clear to me that ISIS is attempting to justify and legitimize their existence by exploiting a common misunderstanding of the concept of Khilafah.”
Fine, Jebara.
When I see YOU and your so “moderates” rounding up all the nut jobs and executing them,then I’ll believe your tale of woe.
Until then.
“Something” off and go “something” yourself.
ICH says
What a CROCK.
Why do they try and convince us right wing nutjobs ?
Shouldnt he be talking to ISIS or the Ayatollah.
Where is the worldwide conference of Islamic leaders addressing this ?
I dont understand ISLAM.
Its so horrible.
Muslims have blinders on.
bill walker says
Wow ! What a concept ! An International Conference among Muslims ! I boggles the imagination ! Anyone care to speculate on this ? At least on a body count.
RCCA says
“unless we are to believe that Islam in its essence has never been realized in 1,400 years of Islam.” I don’t have a problem with that understanding. Hinduism has as its essence the unity of the individual consciousness (the atman) with the universal consciousness/creator (the Brahman). Lots of other practices in Hinduism developed and exist including the caste system and a polytheistic culture which have nothing to do with the essence of Hinduism. Christianity as taught by Jesus is about living in the world with a conscious awareness of a loving God and yet developed the institution of the Catholic Church, etc., which has little to do with what Jesus taught. Judaism is essentially about realizing the singularity and unity and goodness of G-d but has also developed practices and traditions which divide peoples’ awareness into trivial concerns.
gravenimage says
RCCA wrote:
“unless we are to believe that Islam in its essence has never been realized in 1,400 years of Islam.” I don’t have a problem with that understanding…
……………………
Really, RCCA? You think that almost 1,400 years of Islamic savagery has *nothing* to do with Islam?
One can certainly make the argument that no faith tradition has ever been fully realized–but in the case of Islam, that would mean that it has not always fully lived up to the utter sanguinary horror of the model of the “Prophet”–and the rest of the time occasional elements of actual humanity and moral decency sometimes creep in…
mortimer says
Mohamad Jebara sez: “Islam has nothing to do with Islam…I make up whatever version of Islam I wish according to my personal taste.”
voegelinian says
Equivalencism alert!
In fact, Islam is unique in many ways. It stands alone, sui generis, from all other religions. One of those many ways in which Islam is unique is its absolute fusion of Religion and State. Even the decidedly nougaty academic expert on Islam, Bernard Lewis, conceded this point — remarking, among other things, that Islam’s fusion of religion and state was significantly stronger even than medieval Christendom at its peak of “Caesaropapism”.
One quote from Lewis indicates how essentially Islam has been theocratic:
the political history of Islam is one of almost unrelieved autocracy…[I]t was authoritarian, often arbitrary, sometimes tyrannical. There are no parliaments or representative assemblies of any kind, no councils or communes, no chambers of nobility or estates, no municipalities in the history of Islam; nothing but the sovereign power, to which the subject owed complete and unwavering obedience as a religious duty imposed by the Holy Law. In the great days of classical Islam this duty was only owed to the lawfully appointed caliph, as God’s vicegerent on earth and head of the theocratic community, and then only for as long as he upheld the law; but with the decline of the caliphate and the growth of military dictatorship, Muslim jurists and theologians accommodated their teachings to the changed situation and extended the religious duty of obedience to any effective authority, however impious, however barbarous.
http://quotingislam.blogspot.com/2011/06/bernard-lewis-on-islams-inherent.html
gravenimage says
All very true, Voeg–thanks for the quote from Bernard Lewis. When people talk about “political Islam”, they seldom realize that the core tenet of Islam is the imposition of Islamic law on everyone, Muslim and Infidel. There is no Islam that is anything *but* political.
Abdullah says
ثلاث طرق لانعقاد الإمامة
و تنعقِدُ الإمامةُ (ب: بثلاثة طرق أحدها:)
(١) بالبيعة (هـ: كما بايع الصحابة أبا بكر رضي الله عنهم) والأَصَحُّ (هـ: أن المعتبر هو) ببيعة أهل الحل و العقد من العلماء و الرؤساء و وجوه الناس الذين يتيسر اجتماعهم (ب: لأن الأمر ينتظم بهم و يتبعهم سائر الناس. ولا يشترط اتفاق أهل الحل والعقد من سائر الأقطار البعيدة و لا يشترط عدد كما يوهمه كلامه، بل لو تعلق الحل و العقد بواحد مطاع كفت بيعته) (هـ: و أما بيعة غير أهل الحل و العقد من العوام فلا عبرة بها) وَشَرْطُهُمْ (هـ: أي المتبايعين) صِفَةُ الشهودِ (ب: من العدالة و غيرها) [من مغني المحتاج إلى معرفة ألفاظ المنهاج: ١٢٩/٤-١٣١، ومن حواشي الشيخ عبد الحميد الشرواني و الشيخ أحمد بن قاسم العبادي على تحفة المحتاج بشرح المنهاج: ٧٤/٩-٧٦].
(الماوردي:) فإذا اجتمع أهل العقد والحل للاختيار و تصفحوا أحوال أهل الإمامة الموجودة فيهم شروطها فقدموا للبيعة منهم أكثرهم فضلاً و أكملهم شروطًا و من يسرع الناس إلى طاعته و لا يتوقفون عن بيعته. فإذا تعين لهم من أداهم الاجتهاد إلى اختياره عرضوها عليه. فإن أجاب إليها بايعوه عليها وانعقدت ببيعتهم له الإمامة فلزم كافة الأمة الدخول في بيعته و الانقياد لطاعته. و إن امتنع من الإمامة و لم يُجِبْ إليها لم يجبر عليها لأنها عقد مراضاة واختيار و لا يدخله إكراه و لا إجبار، و عدل عنه إلى من سواه من مستحقيها [نقل من الأحكام السلطانية و الولايات الدينية: ٧-٨].
(٢) و(هـ: ثانيها (ب: ينعقد)) باستخلاف الامام (هـ: واحداً بعده و لو فرعه أو أصله [و يعبر عنه بعهده إليه] كما عهد أبو بكر إلى عمر رضى الله عنهما، وانعقد الإجماع على الاعتداد بذلك. و صورته أن يعقدله الخلافة في حياته ليكون هو الخليفة بعده، فهو و إن كان خليفته في حياته لكن تصرفه موقوف على موته).
فلو جعل (هـ: الامام) الأمر شورىٰ بين جمعٍ فكاستِخلافٍ (هـ: في الاعتدادبه و وجوب العمل بقضيته) (ب: إلا أن المستخلف غير معين) فيرضوْنَ أحدهم (ب: بعد موت الإمام فيعينونه للخلافة) (هـ: لأن عمر جعل الأمر شورى بين ستة: على و عثمان و الزبير و عبد الرحمن بن عوف و سعد بن أبي وقاص و طلحة، فاتفقوا بعد موته على عثمان رضي الله عنهم).
(٣) وَ(هـ: ثالثها) باستيلاء جامعِ الشروطِ (هـ: بالشوكة لانتظام الشمل به. هذا إن مات الإمام أو كان متغلباً، أي ولم يجمع الشروط). (ش: أما الاستيلاء على الحي فإن كان الحي متغلباً انعقدت إماماً ببيعة أو عهد لم تنعقد إمامة المتغلب عليه) و كذا فاسقٌ جاهلٌ (ب: تنعقد إمامة كل منهما مع وجود بقية الشروط) (هـ: و غيرهما و إن اختلت فيه الشروط كلها (ش: أي إلا الإمامة فلا تنعقد و تقدم [عن شرح صحيح مسلم] أن المبتدع كالكافر هنا عند الجمهور)) في الأصحِّ (هـ: و إن عصى بما فعل، حذراً من تشتت الأمر و ثوران الفتن).
Voytek Gagalka says
Abdullah! This is an English site. If you do not wish to be misunderstood with this gobbledygook of yours (presumably Arabic), then learn English or just choose translators!
Westman says
This is the best Google Translate could do with it:
IThree ways to the Imamate
And held the Imamate (b: three ways one 🙂
(1) synagogue (e: As swore allegiance to the companions, Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with them) and correct (e: that what counts is) allegiance the people of the solution and the contract of scientists and presidents and the faces of the people who facilitated their meeting (b: because it is organized them and follow them the rest of the people . nor the people of the solution agreement requires the contract from other distant countries and the number is not required as the illusion his words, even if attached to the solution and the contract with one obeyed ceased oath of allegiance) (e: and the pledge of allegiance is the people of the solution and the contract of commoners there a lesson out) and their condition (e : any Almtbaiein) recipe witnesses (b: of justice, etc.) [of the singer in need to know the words of the curriculum: 129 / 4-131, and footnotes Sheikh Abdul Hamid Alhrvani and Sheikh Ahmed bin Qassim al-Abadi to needy masterpiece to explain the curriculum: 74/9 -76].
Maurdi 🙂 If the people of the contract are met and the solution to choose and browsed the conditions of the people of the Imamate in those conditions they took the allegiance of most of them as well and Okmlhm conditions and speeds of people to obey him and do not stop oath of allegiance . If you appoint them of Odahm diligence chosen subjected her to him . The Bayaoh replied to them and held his Imamate Vlzim Bbiathm all the nation to enter into oath of allegiance and obedience to pander . And that abstained from the ruler and should not be forced upon them not because they hold Mradah and choose and do not enter compulsion and not force , and justice to him than anyone else from the beneficiaries [ of transfer Bowl and religious provisions States : 7-8 ] .
2) and (e: Second (b: held)) Bastkhalav forward (e: one after him and if the branch or origin [and expressed his covenant to him] as Prince of Abu Bakr to Umar, and held consensus-esteem so. And his image that Aakdelh succession in his life to be the Caliph after him, and that it was his successor in his life but his behavior Reserve on his death).
If making (e: Forward command) Shura between collection Vcastkhalav (e: in Alaatdadba and should work in his case) (b: but deputized non-specific) Viradwn one (b: after the death of Imam Vieinnouna succession) (e: Because life making Shura matter between six: on and Othman and Al-Zubair and Abdul Rahman bin Auf and Saad bin Abi Waqas and Talha, Ivaqgua after his death Ali Osman, God bless them).
And (e : Third ) seizure Collector conditions (e : a fork to the regularity of its reunion . This Imam died or was beating , did not gather any conditions ) . (U : The seizure of the neighborhood . If the neighborhood beating took place imam allegiance or era did not take place leading the
Overcomer it) and as well as punk ignorant (b : held Imamate with each having a rest conditions ) (e : and others and that disrupted the whole conditions ( u : any Imamate but do not take place and progress [ to explain Sahih Muslim ] that the creator Kalccaffr here when the public) ) in the correct (e : and if disobeyed , including reaction , wary of the dispersion of matter and the eruption of strife ) .
voegelinian says
All Islamic Arabic should be run through Google translator, to reveal the essential word salad that’s really there beneath false appearances of sense & sensibility which sly Muslims (or Useful Idiot kuffar academics) would try to render in English.
For Islamic Arabic, someone should create a software or app called “Veg-O-Matic” — guaranteed to turn any still life of placid, peaceful vegetables in a bowl of Moderate Islam into the word salad it really is, or your money back!
Tom W Harris says
No shit?
Arthur says
Translation courtesy of Google translate:
Three ways the Imamate
And held the Imamate (b: three ways one 🙂
(1) Allegiance (e: As swore allegiance to the companions, Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with them) and correct (e: that what counts is) allegiance the people of the solution and the contract of scientists and presidents and the faces of the people who facilitated their meeting (b: because it is organized them and follow them the rest of the people . nor the people of the solution agreement requires the contract from other distant countries and the number is not required as the illusion his words, even if attached to the solution and the contract with one obeyed ceased oath of allegiance) (e: and the pledge of allegiance is the people of the solution and the contract of commoners there a lesson out) and their condition (e : any Almtbaiein) recipe witnesses (b: of justice, etc.) [of the singer in need to know the words of the curriculum: 129 / 4-131, and footnotes Sheikh Abdul Hamid Alhrvani and Sheikh Ahmed bin Qassim al-Abadi to needy masterpiece to explain the curriculum: 74/9 -76].
(Mawardi 🙂 If the people of the contract are met and the solution to choose and browsed the conditions of the people of the Imamate in those conditions they took the allegiance of most of them as well and Okmlhm conditions and speeds of people to obey him and do not stop oath of allegiance. If you appoint them of Odahm diligence chosen subjected her to him. The Bayaoh replied to them and held his Imamate Vlzim Bbiathm all the nation to enter into oath of allegiance and obedience to pander. And that abstained from the ruler and should not be forced upon them not because they hold Mradah and choose and do not enter compulsion and not force, and justice to him than anyone else from the beneficiaries [of transfer Bowl and religious provisions States: 7-8].
(2) and (e: Second (b: held)) Bastkhalav forward (e: one after him and if the branch or origin [and expressed his covenant to him] as Prince of Abu Bakr to Umar, and held consensus-esteem so. And Aakdelh Caliphate that his image in his life to be the Caliph after him, and that it was his successor in his life but his behavior Reserve on his death).
If making (e: Forward command) Shura between collection Vcastkhalav (e: in Alaatdadba and should work in his case) (b: but deputized non-specific) Viradwn one (b: after the death of Imam Vieinnouna succession) (e: Because life making Shura matter between six: on and Othman and Al-Zubair and Abdul Rahman bin Auf and Saad bin Abi Waqas and Talha, Ivaqgua after his death Ali Osman, God bless them).
(3) and (e: Third) seizure Collector conditions (e: a fork to the regularity of its reunion. This Imam died or was beating, did not gather any conditions). (U: The seizure of the neighborhood. If the neighborhood beating took place imam allegiance or era did not take place leading the Overcomer it) and as well as punk ignorant (b: held Imamate with each having a rest conditions) (e: and others and that disrupted the whole conditions ( u: any Imamate but do not take place and progress [to explain Sahih Muslim] that the creator Kalccaffr here when the public)) in the correct (e: and if disobeyed, including reaction, wary of the dispersion of matter and the eruption of strife).
Arthur says
…well that makes about as much sense as the Koran…
Wellington says
Ditto, Arthur.
roger Woodhouse says
I prefer the Arabic version.It made about as much sense.No wonder there’s confusion in the Islamic world
gravenimage says
Yeah–I just ran it through Google translate as well–thanks, Arthur.
But Arthur and Wellington–with all respect, I believe that clunky as this translation is that it does indeed make sense (in Islamic terms, at least).
This passage talks about pledging allegiance to the Islamic State (the “Imamate”) either as a Muslim or an Infidel, and submitting to being subject to Islamic law.
The “Covenant” in question is the odious and oppressive Pact of Umar, which reduces Infidels to threatened dhimmis.
The “seizure Collector conditions” refers to the Muslim collection of crushing Jizya.
And, finally, the last passage lays out what happens if any Infidel violates the crushing strictures of dhimmitude: “and if disobeyed, including reaction, wary of the dispersion of matter and the eruption of strife”–as illiterate as this sounds, it is a reference to Muslims rioting, looting, and murdering Infidels until they have learned their ‘lesson’.
I believe that Abdullah–the “Slave of Allah”–is confirming that Muslims do indeed demand that there be no division of Mosque and State, and that everyone must live under Shari’ah law whenever Muslims are in a position to impose it.
mortimer says
Most Sunnis believe there is no separation between the mosque and the state.
Jay Boo says
Islam is political.
Muhammad was an impulsive unscrupulous sociopath.
gravenimage says
It’s not just Sunnis, Mortimer–there is no separation in Shia Islam, either. Just look at the hideous Shari’ah state of Iran.
And you’re quite right, Jay Boo–all Islam is political, and this all goes back to the model of the “Prophet”.
Cecilia Ellis says
Abdullah,
يرجى التعليق باللغة الإنجليزية، والتي أعلم أن تكتب.
English translation (near): “Please comment in the English language, which I know you write.”
More Ham Ed says
He did it on purpose. Either (a) he mistakenly thinks this is a jihad site (as opposed to an anti-jihad site), which happens occasionally when you combine muslims and the internet, or (b) the person is just a plain troll, or (c) he’s just insconsiderate or all of the above. I’d be willing to ship him a ham sandwich if he’ll just provide his address.
Abdullah says
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500
gravenimage says
Abdullah, you wish.
Edward says
[Abdullah says October 20, 2015 at 11:52 pm]
“1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500”
Whoa! The Jihadist movement’s forward Rep’s are already in town, eh?
Are they part of the team that are here to help in the planning of the canceling of the next US general presidential election?
Abdullah says
Basically just breaking down the 3 ways the caliphate can be legally affected according to Mawardi and Nawawi – no lightweights when it comes to Sunnite Islamic authority.
Summary-3 ways to Imamate:
1) oath of fealty
2) caliph appointing a successor
3) seizure of power by an individual possessing the qualifications of caliph (meaning by force, since the interests of the whole might be realized through such a takeover….)
Never trust a Muslim with no beard, or one with a beard for that matter. This pretty faced bachi bazi should get off the minbar before he incites lust in the hearts of his flock. Maybe he and Dayie Abdullah could LIE together
Michael Copeland says
“not a totalitarian system, based on hatred, cruelty and intolerance.”
Oh no?
‘It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision”, Koran 33:36. Note that the Koran forms part of Islamic law.
The “excellent pattern” for muslims to show to non-muslims is:
“between us and you animosity and hatred forever”, Koran 60:4.
“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land”, Koran 5:33.
“I am telling you that my religion does not tolerate other religions. It does not tolerate. The only one law has to be Islam, ”Abu Bakr, cleric in Australia.
“If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him;” Koran 3:85.
“It is unbelief (kufr) to hold that the remnant cults now bearing the names of formerly valid religions such as “Christianity” and “Judaism” are acceptable…”
(“Reliance of the Traveller”, Manual of Islamic Law, w4)
“Muslims are merciful to each other but ruthless to non-muslims”, Koran 48:29
See “Islam Instructs Hatred”, and “Islam’s Vision of Destruction: Muslims Speak” at LibertyGB:
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5968-islam-instructs-hatred-muslims-speak
http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/5981-islam-s-vision-of-destruction-muslims-speak
bill walker says
Anyone here want to make any comments about Islam’s REFORMATION ?
dajjal says
https://www.scribd.com/doc/252004497/Reform-Reform-Islam-Islam
Impossible! perfection can not be improved. Allah’s Turds can not be changed.
Dave J says
Words that should not go together: Islamic and “scholar”.
Deceit anyone? Get your fresh deceit right here.
Meanwhile the canonization of Junipero Serra is imminent. He founded nine of the Catholic Missions in California where natives were imprisoned, enslaved and starved to death, based on a Vatican edict that all non-Christians were to be regarded as sub-humans who could be robbed and killed.
Sound familiar? God I hate religions, all of them..
Davegreybeard says
God I hate smug, arrogant Atheists.
You know, those condescending assholes who think they have it all figured out and then presume to tell us how foolish and ignorant we all are.
Wellington says
What Vatican edict, Dave J? Name it. Identify it. I say you can’t. Go ahead, prove me wrong. And remember this too: I am an agnostic but an agnostic who is tired of foolish moral equivalency thinking and an agnostic who recognizes that Christianity is not a mortal threat to liberty and equality under the law but that Islam most certainly is.
Your turn. Go ahead, give it a shot.
Dave J says
Romanus Pontiflex, 1454 by Pope Nicholas V.
See also: Cross of Thorns – The Enslavement of California Indians by Elias Castillo, 2015.
My emphasis is not on equivalency, just giving Christian history equal time. The point is that Islam and only Islam is actively pursuing murder, robbery and enslavement in the modern age.
“God” was sarcastic. Yes, it does take more of something to not believe fairy tales of any variety.
Wellington says
First of all, this was enacted almost forty years before Columbus made his first voyage.
Second, this papal bull certainly had Muslims first and foremost in mind, especially considering it was published just one year after Ottoman Turks took Constantinople.
Third, slavery in the fifteenth century was universal. No dissent against the iniquity of slavery occurred until the late seventeenth century (in Penn’s Philadelphia by a number of Quakers in Germantown). To single out the Christian world for this as a fault of Christianity is, to say the least, highly tendentious.
Fourth, it’s quite a stretch from a papal bull issued decades before Europeans knew about the Americas to concluding that an 18th-century Spanish missionary, Serra, acted upon it.
Fifth, I did not read in what was put forth by Nicholas V (the founder of the Vatican library by the way) that non-Christians were “sub-humans” and that they could be “robbed and killed.” Rather, the emphasis was on conversion, though admittedly this was regularly imposed rather than merely attempted.
Sixth, there is nothing in the Christian theological blueprint which actively supports the existence and continuation of slavery, contra Islam big time.
Seventh, Christianity, like the Western world in general, has shown a remarkable capacity to address wrongdoing, to apologize for wrongdoing, to make amends for wrongdoing and to attempt to move on and make a better world, again contra Islam big time which acknowledges no wrongdoing to this day and apologizes for nothing, even though it has so much to apologize for.
Finally, in the fight against Islamic supremacism, as broad of a coalition against this MODERN evil is needed. It serves no purpose to divide this coalition by stating that you hate the belief systems of so many in this coalition, for instance Christians, Hindus, Buddhists or apparently any religious people. I mean how smart is this?
dajjal says
Link: http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/indig-romanus-pontifex.html
Opinion: its hard to read, no paragraph spacing. Flowery verbiage. The current Pope was not the first dope! I could go along with subduing the Saracens, but not attacking passive pagans.
What the Hell? The Pope ain’t Jesus Christ. That bull contravenes the teaching of Christ: to deliver the gospel and dust off if rejected.
The Bull does not make Christianity the immoral equivalent of Isdamn. It makes the Pope who uttered and published it the immoral equivalent of Moe.
gravenimage says
Excellent post, Wellington. As so often with your comments, I have nothing to add.
Joseph says
One question Dave J, why did you capitalize God?
I really gotta hand it to you, it takes more faith not to believe. I guess I’m just weak.
Raja says
Thank you for the painstaking reply. You saved lots of time for so many of us here…
God bless…
mortimer says
Dave J wrote: “Words that should not go together: Islamic and “scholar”.”
Amidst all his other errors, I agree with the above to a point because Islamic ‘historians’ or ‘legists’ are not allowed to promote their personal opinion, since the opinions of canonical ULEMA are already considered the ‘whole truth’ about Islam.
As for Dave’s one successful remark among his many errors, a stopped clock is right twice daily.
voegelinian says
In fact, throughout Latin America (at times including parts of what is now SW USA) Catholic clergy and activists were tirelessly instrumental in trying to mitigate cruelties inflicted by Spanish & Portuguese colonials, and in appropriately shaming authorities for their treatment of aboriginals. It’s amusing how modern atheists spoon with their strange bedfellows modern Reformation-derived evangelicals in their common anti-Catholicism.
gravenimage says
Yes–the best known is Bartolomé de las Casas, a Dominican friar, but there were many others as well.
And famously it was Christians like the Quakers and Wilberforce who worked to end slavery once and for all in the 18th and 19th centuries. Much of the “Underground Railroad” was made of “stations” at churches and in Christian cleric’s homes.
They were largely successful in ultimately ending slavery in much of the world in just a few decades–a remarkable achievement considering slavery had been in existence since the dawn of human history.
The only place where they failed in doing more than just curbing its most overt aspects, of course, was the Muslim world–where slavery is an intrinsic part of Islam.
And needless to say, it is not Christian (or “post Christian”) lands where slavery is undergoing a resurgence, but just Dar-al-Islam.
Voytek Gagalka says
Yet another “expert” on how the IS “misunderstand” Islam. My prediction: the first thing the IS will do when they will put their hands on this “imam” (Mohamad Jebara) is that they will cut his head off faster than it was taking him to write this “expertise.”
sidney penny says
“at the Cordova Spiritual Education Centre”
I have mentioned about the name below Cordova but a spiritual education centre as opposed to a religious education centre.
Where did he get his religious education to give out this information on Islam that is plainly wrong?
http://marvinhmills.com/pdf/originofmosqueofcordoba.pdf
Scholarship takes a holiday.
really built by Muslims?
or by the same Professor Marvin Mills
Another case of scholarship takes a holiday.
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/an_architect_looks_at_the_taj_mahal_legend.htm
AN ARCHITECT LOOKS AT THE TAJ MAHAL LEGEND by Professor Marvin H. Mills
Pratt Institute, New York
really built by Muslims?
Where did they find the time and money to build anything when more of the time was on conquest, and fighting wars,subjugating the population wherever they were.,whether in Spain or in India
abad says
Really?
He must be a fraud then.
Gary says
We were warned 2,000 years ago….
“Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.” (Jesus Circa 32 A.D.)
Matthieu Baudin says
I expect there’s nothing to stop anyone just making any claims they like about Islam as time passes merrily by and the International Jihad steadily eats away at our rights to life and limb. The will to speak plainly and honestly about our evolving social world is likewise being sapped by a new class of weak minded apologists. The particular problem with this Imams comments is that they serve to deflect our attention away from the steady entrapment of civil society by the rigid spiritual demands of Islam.
Dave J says
Do not be deceived, Islam is and requires a theocracy: Definition: “Ruled by religious leaders”.
Look around at present day Islamic countries, observe the facts.
mortimer says
By poking at the commonly accepted institutions of Islam, Mohamed Jebara is pulling the loose thread that will unravel the sweater of Islam!
There is evidence that the early caliphs considered themselves equally inspired as Mohammed. It was only much later that the authority of Mohammed took on its present pre-eminence. Until then, the caliphs added or subtracted from Islam whatever they liked or disliked and the Koran was edited to accommodate their tastes. This shows in the confusion and contradiction in the Koran.
The following hadith from Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal can be understood to prophesy two eras of Caliphate (both on the lines/precepts of prophethood).
Hadhrat Huzaifa narrated that the Messenger of Allah said:
“Prophethood WILL REMAIN AMONG YOU AS LONG AS ALLAH WILLS.
The Caliphate (Khilafah) on the lines of Prophethood shall commence, and remain as long as Allah wills. Then corrupt monarchy would take place, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. After that, despotic kingship would emerge, and it will remain as long as Allah wills. Then, the Caliphate (Khilafah) shall come once again based on the precept of Prophethood.”
In other words, the early hadiths reflected the idea that Mohammed was only ‘another’ prophet and the CALIPHS were also prophets EQUAL to MOHAMMED.
Buraq says
Islam, in its essence, call for a division between your head and body if you go around saying things like that!
Clown!
mortimer says
Buraq wrote: “calls for a division between your head and body”
Islam calls for a separation between head and brain…the latter is left at the door.
gravenimage says
Canada imam: “Islam in its essence calls for a division between faith and state”
……………………
Imam Mohamad Jebara, like all pious Muslims, is more than happy to lie to the “filthy Kuffar” in order to spread his foul creed…
And this creep has been meretricious before–following the Charlie Hebdo massacre, he “reminded Canadians after the Paris events that the best way to overcome those who ‘hate us is by giving them what they least expect: love.’”
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/davidvsdavid/after-paris–cultures-and-faith-communities-best-served-by-more-understanding-202655318.html
Anyone not familiar with the “Paris events” would assume that this ‘hatred’ was violence *against* Muslims–but of course it was not.
Jebara never mentioned whether he regarded his coreligionists gunning down unarmed Infidel journalists and cartoonists as “love”, as well…and whether we should expect more of the same…
mortimer says
When does the Islamic ‘love’ come…before…or after Western cartoonists are shot?
mortimer says
Questions for Mohamad Jebara:
“About al Walaa wal Baraa… don’t Muslims have the duty to hate dirty KAFIRS FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH?”
Is Mohamad Jebara an apostate? A heretic? Or is he making up his own personal version of Islam by asking Muslims to show genuine “LOVE” to dirty kafirs.
Is Mohamad Jebara practicing Islam-à-la-carte? Or is he trying to MODERNIZE or Christianize Islam?
Jay Boo says
“for the sake of Allah”
Muslims are themselves tawdry jokes
David Arnold says
Kemal Mustafa Ataturk, founder of modern Turkey, said about governance and Islam:
“Islam, this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives.”
” I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men.”
voegelinian says
Ataturk, like most Enlightenment Moderns, simply replaced conventional Religion with another religion — in his case, a fetishism of Turkism.
Murvad says
He said this in which year? it seems at the time of Ataturk Muslims was bit peaceful, now you see what they did to innocent cartoonist in France? it is very bad. And why more women wear Burka while the men dress like dudes?
steve says
if these guys were not so violent and brainwashed they would be incredibly laughable. how do you say Superman vs Bizarro Superman. if anyone doesn’t get that just look on Wikipedia or some other site and you will see how funny it was when Superman would talk to this alternate Superman. the only difference here is that Islamists actually pretend to be real people and not comic book characters and they actually think they make sense.
peter1589 says
It is remarkable how the disinformation and lies keep coming up from major world movements for political domination.
Hitler enjoyed the adulation of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem as Hitler was progressing through the ranks of Jews and burning their bodies in the ovens.
Communism, in its pathological contravention of Catholic mores, ethics and dogma, using the same terminology but putting it to use for the murder of nearly 350 million souls during the 20th century, was a magnificent study in the application of disinformation via the KGB and like agencies throughout the communist empire, in order to fool susceptible liberal idiots in western society so willing to believe the worst about their freedom.
Now, Islam proves itself willing to follow the precepts of the Koran in promulgating blatant philosophical lies about the activities of Islam, in order to smooth the way into the hearts and minds of self-confidant liberals with absolutely NO concept of the history and origin of movements such as Islam, being a fundamental assault on western civilization.
Liberals you have earned your fate, by castigating the priests of the ONLY force on earth capable of stopping Islam, that being the power of the One, Holy, Apostolic, Roman Catholic Church. You believe the pedophile priest propaganda, and ignore the massive social good done by the Church. You think the child abuse (at an average age of 17, which is the age of consent in many states, hence adolescent and not child abuse, if it can be proved it was not consensual given the vast increase in homosexuality since abortion was legalized) is unique to the Catholic Church and blindly ignore the same activities in public and private sports organizations, the theater and a multitude of other professional organizations.
These preferences to kill the Indestructible Catholic Church have done nothing to kill it for 2,000 years! Why? It is the house built on a rock as Christ said.
AND, as it remains the only successful Institution to eject Islam from western civilization for 1400 years, and is now in decline and vast disinterest by most westerners, it is obvious that nothing will stop Islam and its chaotic incessant warfare.
PRAY THE ROSARY! DAILY! 15 DECADES, if you want to get rid of Islam. It is the ONLY way, as proven during La Reconquista, the Gates of Vienna and the miraculous naval battle of Lepanto. PRAY THE ROSARY!!
Edward says
“PRAY THE ROSARY! DAILY! 15 DECADES, if you want to get rid of Islam. It is the ONLY way, as proven during La Reconquista, the Gates of Vienna and the miraculous naval battle of Lepanto. PRAY THE ROSARY”!!
And let us not forget the USSR’s evil mindset reset! Yes, remnants of the now defunct USSR still exists, but focused reasoning of their end cause will change the straggling minds of the old Guard soon!
fidobite says
Wow, lets cut to the chase…islamo-satanism is an evil, dominating and insidious ideology that is completely incompatible with Western democratic republics and their concepts of freedom and liberty. Mix the two and it will be just a matter of time until the bloodshed starts. Have we learned nothing since the Crusades??
While the islam-infected areas of the world have stagnated & rotted in their self-imposed political and cultural straitjackets of hatred and strife the Western world moved ahead through its own difficult evolution to enlightenment, liberty, religious freedom and tremendous economic and technological success.
Now the cancer of islam is metastasizing into the Western body threatening to destroy it as surely as it has destroyed liberty and freedom in its native lands. The frightening feature of this latest attempted invasion is that insane lib-prog governments are aiding and abetting the invaders!! Big bloodshed is virtually inevitable!!
Baucent says
A clean shaven Imam? That’s a bit odd.