Research show that Islam is the only religion where people become more violent the more they practice their faith.
Translated from JP:
Muslims in Denmark have begun to pay more attention to their religion and religious practices.
A poll among Muslims in Denmark shows this… it is comparable to a similar survey from almost 10 years ago, in 2006.
Back then it was 37 percent who prayed daily five times or more. Now 50 percent are praying five times a day or more. Similarly, an increasing proportion – 77 percent – think that the Quran’s instructions must be applied fully, as compared to 62 percent in 2006. Finally, there are also some who believe that Muslim girls from adolescence onward should cover themselves with headscarves.
rhondakelly07 says
Blacks must be , Muslims, they R busy murdering cops, and every race , quietly daily in USA
Jay Boo says
That is an ill-informed bigoted generalization of a whole race.
Islam is not a race; it is an intolerant politically based ideology.
Sally says
Africa’s Christianity is what keeps them sane in the face of horrid abuse. Just today the guiardian ran a piece on how six well-meaning African liberators were assassinated by western interests in the 60s. This is the sort of thing that entrenches their unholy alliance with jihadists. But at least the leftists are unconscious in their guilt and misguided nonsense. What’s your excuse? There is a just battle of truth and sanity going on against jihad and your vile racism has no place. Go stick your head in the toilet and flush.
Jay Boo says
Sally
I assume you are commenting to
@rhondakelly07
gravenimage says
And then we have this–the idea that the only reason anyone turns to Islam is because of the “horrid abuse” from Westerners.
What have the generous and civilized Danes done to deserve these pious Jihadists in their midst? This is not due to Western sins–just Western foolishness and denial of the Jihad threat.
Peter Charles says
When they remember a few killed 45 yerars ago, how do they feel aboutr the five million killed by muslim arabs during the slave trade era, and the 440,000 l\
or so placed and slavery and shippped across the atllantic. All of whom were first bought by or kidnapped by muslim arabs?+
Jeremiah says
We need to do three things:
1. Wake Up
2. Go back to the Bible, and
3. Eliminate the teaching of Mohammad.
We cannot afford to allow the Koran and the Hadith to survive. We cannot afford to leave this virulent virus in our midst. As long as children are taught to hate and kill infidels, we will never have peace. Appeasement has never worked and it will never work.
It’s our choice, not theirs. Let us not continue this charade any longer.
mortimer says
I get tired of fascist or crypto-Muslim provocateurs in this forum like ‘rhondakelly’. Islam is an ideology. I happen to know a lot about black Americans. They are the most Christian of all populations in the US.
The point of the this post is that MUSLIMS become MORE VIOLENT the more they STUDY the source texts of Islam.
That last point is FACT, rather than opinion or speculation. ‘rk’ should state facts or stop posting here. People of all races condemn the Bronze Age political ideology of Islam. No one really wants more Muslim terrorists coming to their countries…not even Muslims.
gravenimage says
More racist claptrap from the egregious “rhondakelly”. She never actually says anything against Jihad here.
Like Mortimer, I think she is just an agent provocateur here. *Ugh*.
Jeremiah says
There are those who cause division. Obama causes division among useful idiots who believe that racial tensions can be used to advance Islam – the brotherhood plan for destroying America from within, So the seeds of hatred Obama plants are flourishing on fertile ground, weakening our society with very little effort. Obama stands back and is able to play more golf. In that sense, anybody who is tricked by these tactics is doing the bidding of Islam. So not all blacks are tricked. Not all those who are tricked are Muslims. However, those who are tricked are working for Mohammad.
Huck Folder says
Inviting a ‘non-inventor’ to the White House
(“MY House”) is deliberately divisive.
He had NO earthly reason to do that.
There are tens of thousands of more deserving
youth, AND adults who are never invited.
So obuMBoy/Jarrett/Abedin have created a wedge
and pounded it between thinking Americans
and those who vote for him.
Tanja says
I totally agree with Jeremiah. And I am stoned as my catholic church keeps telling us that islam is a religion of peace?!?! Who are they fooling?!?!
Katnis says
I bet the good people of Denmark are thrilled to see these numbers.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Your average Dane probably has the fuzzy thought that the Holy Ko-Ran is more or less the same as the Bible, and nobody reads that so there’s no trouble. The trouble they do see is caused by racist Danes, xenophobic Danes, and religious bigot Danes. And White Men colonizers non-Danes who ruined Iran, Turkey and Somalia, which is where they got their Moslems.
R Cole says
I was thinking something similar.
The argument is that only the ‘bad’ Muslims believe – in the more radical or extremist aspects of Islam. But when the majority are found to believe in the same – those reporting such facts become the ‘bad’ people – that of course a person would only say that – because they are ‘racist’, ‘hateful’ ‘xenopobic’ and that other made-up-word Islamophobic.
For those on the Left making enemies of you western neighbor – may be the safer option – they might grumble – but likely they won’t attack.
:;
Look at Sweden claiming the moral high-ground on this migrant issue [see themselves waaaay above fence-building Hungary] – they just shove their Muslim immigrant populations in these no-go areas – and forget about them. Except when the emergency services need to go in – in armored gear — a special request that cost the state extra – might get a little media attention.
Denmark has the right mind – the integration of its Muslim migrants has failed.
Most see coming to Europe as a goal in itself. What is more to do – then wait in relative comfort – till the world is brought under Islamic rule.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Most see coming to Europe as a goal in itself.
And it has become clear the last decade that Europe is dying. Life has many cruel ironies. But, even a failed Europe will be a dream home for a Moslem from this or that hell-hole.
Jeremiah says
There is no doubt that Europe has departed from the teachings of the Bible. We need to return to those teachings to find the solutions.
Then we have to track down the teaching of crucifixions and female genital mutilations and destroy such teaching completely.
Mo says
Good luck with that.
I’m really getting to the point where I don’t care. I mean that in the sense that these European countries have deliberately allowed followers of a warlord, child rapist in by the thousands, side with them at every turn, and cave entirely to their demands.
Actions have consequences. They have been told over and over and over what would happen. They’ve seen it. They all have access to a Koran and can read for themselves what this ideology teaches.
And they STILL continue to do it and silence anyone who dares to help them by warning them!
You can’t fix stupid. Sometimes, you get what you choose,
Hokken says
Alea iacta est…indeed!
gravenimage says
Unfortunately, Mo, Europe does not have the monopoly on stupid–they are just further down this road than the rest of the West.
SteveUK says
Guys first post here, but been reading here for a while. Let me just say it has all gone too far now and too much damage has been done to the fabric of European society for there not to be a reaction at some point in time. I personally never thought i would ever be fighting for the freedoms my grandfather and his friends fought for many years ago, but when that time comes (i believe very soon) i will follow in there footsteps and lay down my life to protect those hard won freedoms.
Muslims and their ideology think they hold an ace card in there willingness to die, i believe the more powerful ace is fighting for the notion of freedom than any ideology, many have tried before and all have failed, will be no different when the blood letting starts on the streets of Europe.
Jay Boo says
Islam’s greatest strength is also its greatest weakness when exposed to the light of day.
All Muslims should bow their heads in shame at the unspeakable disgrace of Islam’s founder Muhammad and the shabby hoax offered up as if it were a religion.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Islam’s greatest strength is also its greatest weakness when exposed to the light of day.
Well, it’s pretty darned sunny over in Arabia, and last I heard the religious fervor got so hot that they schooled up and stampeded one another to the tune of over 900 dead there. To put a cherry on top of the strength of Islam, now they’re gonna lop off the heads of a couple doze more, for presentation.
Raja says
One BBC reporter said that an estimated 4000 could have been killed in the recent stampede at Mecca. I haven’t followed up with that news later.
Jay Boo says
The unspeakable disgrace of Islam’s founder Muhammad is covered -up by the MSM.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
… it has all gone too far now and too much damage has been done to the fabric of European society for there not to be a reaction at some point in time.
Another difference from Europe’s last great battle is electronics, which will allow the ruling elites (globo-socialist Moslem sympathizers all) to proactively track and arrest resistance organizers. Back when your grandfathers fought for England against the Nazis, England’s leader was on the resistance fighter’s side. Now, the leaders will not be on the resistance fighter’s side, they’ll be on the other side, with radios and night goggles and phone taps and big data sniffer programs and more. Plus the guns.
Jeremiah says
Unless we act, Europe is history. We need to do three things:
1. Wake up: Islam hates us.
2. Accept the Bible as the handbook of Love.
3. Destroy the teaching of hate. Destroy the Koran, Islamic training centers and Mosques.
The brainwashing of our children by the Muslim Brotherhood in our education system has caused us a problem that is difficult to reverse but not impossible. First throw out the infiltrators and jail them. Then throw out the books that make Islam look benign. Finally hunt down the virulent virus of hatred espoused by the Koran, hadiths and sunna.
Trying to solve this problem by killing Moslems will not work. We don’t hate.
stan says
It may be alarming to the Danes, but it may be a false presumption to think that all of the actions on the part of muslims is solely a prescriptive attribute of islam and its texts. Much of it may be reactionary to the west’s spiral into decadence. During the time muslims have been immigrating to the west, it is not as if the culture of the west has stood still. From the perspective of many people, both religious and secular, the west is increasingly unhinged in regards to culture. The muslims simply want no part of choices the west is making. These observations regarding the west’s cultural suicide are commonly remarked in christian circles and by traditional classical liberals. The muslims simply have a place to retreat to, or even advance an alternative that political correctness denies to other groups. Fond memories of what the west used to represent are long past history. From an outsider perspective ( an immigrant ) the west has less and less to offer humans. It best traditions have fast become nothing but fond memories of childhood that we cling to.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
And as these traditions are put into library display cases by the Marxists, the Moslems receiving welfare from the Marxists know that they too will implode — socialism always does — and then the local Moslems can come in with their pooper scoopers and clean up. The only trouble is, when this happens, who’s gonna do the work?
Westman says
I think you may be making a mistake in writing the demise of the West on moral grounds. There is nothing in Islam that supports better morals than secularism when it comes to the Kufar since all manner of evil is permitted to Muslims for infliction upon the unbelievers. And “righteousness” by force and coercion is not remotely spiritual.
In fact, the “religion” of secularism is Freedom, the one thing upon which Christians and Secularists can agree. I had Uncles who fought in WWII, some wounded, who went to preserve a free nation, called upon by a President who needed to make no reference to morals or any particular religion. When they, thankfully, came back they were men ready to lead their families; two of them remaining officers in the military.
Morals will have little to do with the defeat of Islam, which only has morals in its own Ummah. It is the age old thirst for freedom that finally threw off feudalism that will prevail no matter how great the cost. It is disheartening to see the waste of human potential in the West, the admiration of silly celebrities, gaming larger than the movie industry, NASA and space exploration decline, and general hedonism.
Japan and Germany thought in the 1940’s that self-interested cultures would be weak and not respond to prodding. History has shown that, in fact, those “weak” free cultures will do whatever it takes, no matter how brutal or how many “innocent” people perish to remain free. The “elites” of Europe should keep the French Revolution in mind as they attempt to stupidly force acceptance of islamization.
I’m not certain that Europe will save itself since it never completely threw off feudalism. They have never had true freedom of speech, the test of real freedom. The ghosts of ancestors sins have distorted their sense of culpability.
I have no doubt that Austrailia, New Zealand, the Americas, Canada, Israel, and even Russia will stop any attempt for Sharia to be imposed on them.
stan says
Westman, thanks for an honest and thoughtful response, even when disagreeing. If the west’s demise is not moral in nature, then what is it? Islam’s morals don’t need to be “better” or more “righteous” for it to supplant the governance of western nations. It just needs to be more effective in the “will to power”.
I disagree that “morals will have little to do with the defeat if islam”. Any principal on which peoples decide to oppose islam will have to be based on some moral reason. That is all the more support that the current moral malaise of the west has been fodder for the rapid pace of islam’s rise. It’s blood in the water to the sharks. Islam respects nobody, but it will accommodate the more powerful
I hope you are right in your comparison of islam to 1940’s Germany and Japan, and that complacent practical societies will eventually rise up against them. I don’t see too much evidence of that however. The USA is not even remotely the same nation it was in the 1940’s. I fear it will take much more that some prodding. If prodding would cause action, we would have solved this already. I believe it will take devastation and losses this nation has never seen to draw the final lines, if ever. Canada is already slipping away, parts of the US are as well. Other articles linked by Mr. Spencer here show the attempts to marginalize Ben Carson for his simple statements of truth regarding islam.
stan says
You must be right since you typed your thoughtful response in all CAPS. Even the local pig farmer ( A.P.F ) gets the jest of what I was getting at regarding the forces that have destroyed the west.
As feminism has taken the prominent position is setting the norms for gender relationships in the past 20 years, how do muslims look at this? Is our model a beacon to humanity, or a warning to quarantine us?
Is our acceptance of homosexuals just an accommodation of reality and an agreeable nod to the values of equality under the law? Or has it recently progressed into advocacy and deligitimizing normal heterosexuality? Been to a university lately? How do muslims look at this decent into destructive sexuality? Do you think our “progression” in normalizing non heterosexual expressions makes them want to join us, or fight against us harder?
While I don’t think islam has a better economic system than the west, the debts of western nations is a horrible burden on future generations, and theft from nearly every human under it, as a means to enrich the money printers and lenders. Again, islam has no answer for economics, but the immorality or western debt is pretty glaring, and easy to make muslims think they want no part of it. In fact, with their worldview, why not just steal from the kuffar thieves to enrich themselves in the process?
I’ve read through the comments here, and others noted that moral virtue cannot exist without freedom to choose. This has been a founding principal of the west, and it’s strongest argument for centuries. However is that value working today? Do our governments reward moral decisions? Are immoral decisions actually incentivized by our governments? If i want to take a moral stand against a government abuse, do I get rewarded in any way, or do I get punished for breaking a law, labeled a hater, fined, imprisoned, lose my job etc.? Being too moral in many western nations is a quick path to being an ignored martyr.
gravenimage says
stan wrote:
It may be alarming to the Danes, but it may be a false presumption to think that all of the actions on the part of muslims is solely a prescriptive attribute of islam and its texts. Much of it may be reactionary to the west’s spiral into decadence. During the time muslims have been immigrating to the west, it is not as if the culture of the west has stood still. From the perspective of many people, both religious and secular, the west is increasingly unhinged in regards to culture. The muslims simply want no part of choices the west is making…
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Oh, good grief. The idea that Muslims are not acting out of the demands of their creed to conquer Infidels, but are acting out of moral outrage, is just absurd.
In that case, why are Muslims also targeting *non-Western* victims? These include devout Middle Eastern and African Christians.
And if Muslims “simply want no part of choices the West is making”, then why are they continuing to flood into our countries? They could simply stay in Dar-al-Islam, rather than invading the civilized West.
But they have no desire to join our societies–instead, their aim is take them over.
More:
These observations regarding the west’s cultural suicide are commonly remarked in christian circles and by traditional classical liberals. The muslims simply have a place to retreat to, or even advance an alternative that political correctness denies to other groups.
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And note that stan does not tell us just what that “alternative” looks like–wife beating, forced marriages, child marriage, enforced wearing of the veil, Shari’ah patrols, and “Honor Killing” for anyone who runs afoul of their “morality”. As well as Islamically sanctioned robbery, rape, and murder of Infidels.
Whatever the problems of the modern West–and they are sometimes marked–the idea that any of them would be *improved* by the horror of imposing Shari’ah law is simply grotesque.
More:
Fond memories of what the west used to represent are long past history. From an outsider perspective ( an immigrant ) the west has less and less to offer humans. It best traditions have fast become nothing but fond memories of childhood that we cling to.
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Any person can resolve to live a moral life–the idea that we would be better off if Muslims were enforcing their own morally perverse system on us is just sickening.
Yet more:
You must be right since you typed your thoughtful response in all CAPS. Even the local pig farmer ( A.P.F ) gets the jest of what I was getting at regarding the forces that have destroyed the west.
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If you believe that APF was serious in his suggestion that we need Islam to clean up our morals, I’m afraid that you have no understanding of sarcasm.
More:
As feminism has taken the prominent position is setting the norms for gender relationships in the past 20 years, how do muslims look at this? Is our model a beacon to humanity, or a warning to quarantine us?
Is our acceptance of homosexuals just an accommodation of reality and an agreeable nod to the values of equality under the law? Or has it recently progressed into advocacy and deligitimizing normal heterosexuality? Been to a university lately?
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Apparently stan considers the Muslim approach to women *much* preferable–forced veiling, marital rape, forced marriage, and stoning to death if they get out of line.
And homosexuals? They take care of that problem by hanging the offenders–or throwing them off tall buildings.
Much of the Left *is* excessive these days–which puts us at greater risk from incursions by Islam.
But stan would address this by outdoing the “politically correct” Left, and just surrender to violent supremacists outright. *Ugh*.
More:
How do muslims look at this decent into destructive sexuality? Do you think our “progression” in normalizing non heterosexual expressions makes them want to join us, or fight against us harder?
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Well, clearly they have to murder us–good thing stan is just fine with this. How dare we consider fighting back? After all, we have our own moral failings…
What, exactly, does he find morally superior in the Islamic State to life in civilized Denmark?
The truth is that even with all the shortcomings of the West, that we are *much* morally superior to the horror of Islam, as Westman notes–not that the appalling stan would agree, of course.
More:
While I don’t think islam has a better economic system than the west, the debts of western nations is a horrible burden on future generations, and theft from nearly every human under it, as a means to enrich the money printers and lenders. Again, islam has no answer for economics, but the immorality or western debt is pretty glaring, and easy to make muslims think they want no part of it. In fact, with their worldview, why not just steal from the kuffar thieves to enrich themselves in the process?
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The idea that Muslims steal from the Kuffar due to the defects in our economic planning is just absurd–Muslims have been stealing from, pirating, kidnapping, ransoming, demanding Jizya from, and enslaving Infidels ever since the earliest days of Islam–long before capitalism or debt ceilings were ever thought of.
More:
I’ve read through the comments here, and others noted that moral virtue cannot exist without freedom to choose. This has been a founding principal of the west, and it’s strongest argument for centuries. However is that value working today? Do our governments reward moral decisions? Are immoral decisions actually incentivized by our governments? If i want to take a moral stand against a government abuse, do I get rewarded in any way, or do I get punished for breaking a law, labeled a hater, fined, imprisoned, lose my job etc.? Being too moral in many western nations is a quick path to being an ignored martyr.
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If stan wants to experience *real* martyrdom, all he has to do is remain an Infidel during his longed-for Muslim takeover.
But given what he has said here, I would not be surprised if he has already “reverted”.
stan says
I lost count of how many ridiculous positions you ascribed to me that i didn’t take. The supposition I made in my first post was that the west has undergone a moral decline in regards to key area of how society is to be ran. As A.P.F noted this is a marxist deconstruction project.
I’ll say say it easier for you to understand: The west’s moral weakness, insecurity, and lack of appreciation & adherence to its own merits, act to encourage and reward aggression by islam against the west. I do not state that it is the sole reason for islam doing all the horrible things they do as found in their religious texts, it is just another layer of justification and reinforcement. The west’s decline into something completely apart from its historical founding strengths is the reason islam is experiencing success against us.
I hope that wasn’t too controversial for you. I’ll let you get back to your fevered machinations of my desire for martyrdom, infidel rape, murdering homosexuals etc. Enjoy whatever planet/country you think you live in/on. It certainly isn’t USA or Denmark of 2015. Try to work on your IFF frequency modulator a bit.
Jay Boo says
I hate to say this but sometimes people who mean well open the door to Islam.
My comment is not about Denmark in particular.
In the latest donor flyer sent out by the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC there is an appeal to save the Rohingya of Burma from genocide with a cover photo of women and children front and center.
This is a noble thing to do such an appeal from a humanitarian point of view.
However, the Holocaust Museum is not at liberty to go into the roots of the problem.
Even NPR is willing to discuss
Why No One Wants The Rohingyas (including other Muslim countries)
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/05/15/407048785/why-no-one-wants-the-rohingyas
Michael Copeland says
Polls
Polls can be quite illuminating, and quite interesting. They can provide much material for discussion. However, one fact tends to be overlooked. Islam is not defined by polls.
It actually does not matter how many muslims say they support this or that. Islam is defined by its source texts. The source texts contains the commands, such as “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them (Koran 9:5)”. It is a mercy that not all muslims are carrying out that command at the moment, but the command is there, no matter how many polls and surveys and discussion groups take place.
Also, not to be forgotten, is the death penalty for denying any verse, which can be inflicted without repercussion by anyone “since it is killing someone who deserves to die”.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
Polls can be quite illuminating, and quite interesting.
Speaking of which, where’s Mortimer in here? He’s always popping off with poll numbers that report kindly of the Moslems. He knows how terminally fatally bad for Infidels the Holy Ko-Ran is, and 77% doesn’t fit well with the numbers he’s posted.
Harry_the_Horrible says
Of course they do!
They would not be very good Moslems if they thought otherwise.
Thank goodness for ‘bad’ Moslems!
Jeremiah says
Ben Carson thinks that Muslims may have trouble pledging allegiance to the American Constitution. Brigitte Gabriel thinks that they have lost their soul. Ben is an expert on the Constitution and Brigitte needs a security guard to stay alive. Why do we need more proof. These people have said openly that they mean to kill us. Do we need another survey because we didn’t believe the last one?
Angemon says
That leaves out 23%. They can be:
a) islamo-savvy enough to lie to infidels;
b) ignorant of their own religion;
c) ahmadia or ahmadia-ing their religion;
d) some/all of the above;
Not that it matters – even assuming they’re genuinely opposed to stoning, chopping of limbs, subjugation of non-believers, misogyny, etc., they’re the “small minority” that’s hijacking the religion.
gravenimage says
Yup. And what do you want to bet that even that paltry 23% shrinks in the next few years?
Jeremiah says
23% of Muslims who are not sure is not the same as saying that they are benign. We don’t know what they are and we cannot take the risk that they will continue to teach hatred as a way of life. Destroy the teachings of hate.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
That’s 23% who are apparent prostates. The 77% should check with the 23% to see if they were doing taquiyya, if they were not, then by law their heads must be chopped off. Based on my calculations, that’d be about 225,000 heads rolling down the gades of this once great country. Lotta blood, too.
At 4% Denmark is pretty bad off. A syphillis infection like that bad would make a guy’s dong fall to the ground like a lopped head. But even at this small percentage they seem to have made progress. So the theory that they could take the nation full Sharia at 10% might play out. Good luck, Moslems, you’re not gonna need it.
George S. says
There is no moderate islime. Even though there may be two major sects like the sunnis and shia, and probably more, they ALL believe in the dominance of the world by islime. Islime does not believe in democracy, free thought, freedom of speech, education, nor women’s rights: islime also believes in mutilating young girls, and raping and molesting them (it is their right!), they also believe that Kaffirs should be killed, and their women and girls used as slaves or sex objects (look at the thousands of young UK girls beaten and raped bi islimists).
Islime does not belong in the western world, not one bit of it… it’s time for a revolution and kick them all back to the hell-hole from which they crawled. All of them, gone and good riddance.
I am irate at the yellow-bellied cowardice of all western politicians – except Geert. I am really irate…..
Raja says
I have seen all twenty comments posted so far and most of them useful.
77 percent believing the quran’s instructions are worthy of full application is too high for any complacency for Denmark or any European nation. Taking Taqqiya into account it could be much more. So the chances of having a terrorists/rape attack in Denmark is rather high. That at any given time a huge chunk of Muslim population is willing to do the will of bloodthirsty / lust thirsty allah is rather unsettling.
When Muslim don’t want to assimilate with the West they can identify with Islam positively. The state has done precious little to counter the lies of Islamist and their enormous lie and deceit machine.
Jeremiah says
That is right we have to act. Of course we need to do something to protect the remaining Christians and perhaps put them in front of the queue of asylum seekers.
Secondly we need to destroy the source of evil: the Koran, hadiths and sunna. We also need to destroy the hatred training centers, the Madrasas, the Mosques and Islamic Centers of all descriptions.
Margery says
A Danish friend told me yesterday that the migrants from the asylum center walk to the city center in a large group, essentially an intimidating mob. They return to the camp with large tvs and cell phones.
Jeremiah says
Denmark needs these invaders to do some work. Keep them busy.
gravenimage says
This does not surprise, Margery.
ronen says
Bon appetit Denmark.
voegelinian says
Denmark: 77 percent of Muslims think that the Quran’s instructions must be “applied fully”
I.e., 77 percent of Muslims in Denmark feel they can be more candid about their Islam.
Research show that Islam is the only religion where people become more violent the more they practice
And reasonable inference shows that Islam is the only religion where members become more honest about their religion the stronger they feel themselves to be (and, of course, the converse — less honest when they feel weaker).
their faith.
voegelinian says
Denmark: 77 percent of Muslims think that the Quran’s instructions must be “applied fully”
The problem of the problem remains: nearly the entire mainstream West persists in thinking the Koran is peachy keen, hunky dory; and if one adduces the violent passages, we’re back to “well the Old Testament was violent”, “all religions have their violent traditions”, “do you know Arabic?” “I know some nice Muslims” “Have you met any Muslims and talked to them?” “Most Muslims just wanna have a sandwich” “Not all Muslims are bad” “Have you lived in a Muslim country?” “What about the Crusades?” “What about Timothy McVeigh?” “What about abortion clinic bombings?” Et fucking cetera, during which time one wants to throw bottles at the wall.
Alarmed Pig Farmer says
You missed one. A year or so ago news entertainer superstar Bill O’Reilly made perhaps the second most fantastical statement in world history: Moslems are just like everybody else in America, they just want to get ahead and take care of their family.
خَليفة says
That’s when I lost respect for him.
Muslims do want to take care of their families and get ahead ( of all the kuffar ) so they can take over the world, destroy all other religions and enslave the kuffar. Bill was engaging in taqyia – he has become a useful idiot.
voegelinian says
Oh Really, O’Reilly… As maddeningly obtuse as I find that kind of view to be, I find almost more irritating the in-between twilight zone of many in the Counter-Jihad who situate themselves somewhere in the Untenable Middle between
1) the O’Reilly Factor/Affleck Muslim Sandwiches
and
2) the view that affirms that all Muslims are waging war on us through a symbiotic nexus of overt violence and taqiyya stealth.
What exactly that Middle Position entails they never quite clarify; but it seems to involve a lot of wholesale swallowing of generalizations based on superficial appearance (= “the majority of Muslims who are not exploding we must treat as innocent”). This would be tenable & reasonable given any other people, culture or ideology on the planet. That they (Counter-Jihad Softies) can be so sanguine about Muslims, after all the mountains of data and oceans of dots to be connected they have learned, beggars belief and staggers the mind.
voegelinian says
A glimpse into that strange (but logical in a quasi- O’Reillian way) middle place between positions may be gleaned from an exchange with a Jihad Watch regular I had a few moons ago, whereby my interlocutor was willing to concede that Muslims in America may have a “living blueprint” for our mass murder but that this somehow doesn’t mean we should take proactive, adequate measures to protect our society from the actual mass murder it portends by treating Muslims as though they actually intend our mass murder (with the ovearching goal, of course, of destroying our society in order to supplant it with Islam). This subtle yet dogged distinction nursed by my interlocutor seems to depend on the same imputation of innocence to innumerable swaths of Muslims in America as indulged by O’Reilly — even though my interlocutor would never be caught dead uttering it with such obtuse bluntness.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/boston-marathon-jihad-mass-murderer-gets-death-penalty/comment-page-2#comment-1239308
(And, of course, one sees at that link my Bugs Bunny Nemesis nipping at my heels for one of his thousand times nobody seems to notice around here…)
Jeremiah says
We cannot live with Islam because Islam is incompatible with life.
We need to do 3 things:
1. Wake up to the fact that Islam is a religion of hate. Hence the destruction.
2. The Bible teaches love, hence Jews have so many life saving inventions, and
3. Utterly destroy the teaching of the Koran at its source. Stop allowing kids to be brainwashed into believing that killing people is good..
We need to kill the virus, not the people. Only kill those who stand in the way of killing the Koran.
Why is it taking 1400 years to reach this conclusion?
Angemon says
Gratuitous derision of JW regulars? Pushing others down to make his standing seem better by comparison? Classic voegelinian-esque “class”…
Jeremiah says
The fruits of the Old Testament can be seen in the focus of medical research driven by Jews and Christians. The truths of the Koran can be seen in the crucifixion of girls, their rape and their mutilations.
The Old Testament teaches that evil needs to be uprooted at its source. It does not teach the continued killing to force people to accept violence as a way of life. The wisdom of that advice is now well known.
We need to do three things:
Accept that Islam is satanic,
Accept that the Bible teaches love, and
Destroy the teaching of Islam, not the people.
That is essentially what the Old Testament is about.
Jeremiah says
You are right. We can have these academic arguments until we are dead – which may be sooner than the armchair quarterbacks think. We need action.
1. We need to wake up to the fact that Islam is a religion of hate.
2. We need to look at the fruits of the Bible and see that they are the fruits of love
3. We need to destroy the teaching of hate: Koran, hadiths, sunna, mosques, etc.
Then perhaps we can return to Monday night football again.
Davegreybeard says
Jeremiah, it seems you mean well and that you REALLY want to help in our battle against Islam.
You can do this by focusing on educating your fellow Christians in the teachings of Islam.
Enlighten them as to exactly how Islam is directly opposed to, and literally “at war” with every founding principle of Western Civilization. You may also show your fellow Christians how Islam is the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ – this you can do, and it will help, perhaps more than you know.
What is NOT helpful is your rant about “We need to destroy the teaching of hate: Koran, hadiths, sunna, mosques, etc”. A reasonable person would conclude that you are advocating book burning/banning and burning down mosques. Surely this is not you position, is it?
It is also NOT helpful when you harangue the rest of us about “returning to the bible” “the book of love.” I’ll find my own salvation, thank you, and if I need your help in the matter, I’ll ask you for it – until then please shut up about it.
Please take this as helpful advice from a heathen and a fellow warrior in the battle against Satan’s creation, Islam.
ronen says
I can’t help it feeling sorry for Europeans for the future that awaits them. Although my family was persecuted and murdered in that cursed continent which continues to find ways to hount my country, I still see myself as a western civilization product. Where would we be without Mozart, Darwin, french revolution etc.
خَليفة says
The more Muslims worship Satan the more they become like him.
Islam is the creation of Satan. Muhammed was possessed by Satan for for several months – Islamic texts confirm this fact.
I ask ALL readers this question:
“Have you ever been deceived by Satan?”
There are only 2 possible answers. “yes” and “I don’t know”
If you said “no” you are either a fool or a Muslim. IT IS possible you are still being deceived, and are unaware of the deception. By definition deception is meant to be undetectable.
Islamic thinking tends to keep people from finding truth. It would be dishonorable to be wrong, right? So they just defend the indefensible.
The Japanese have a germane saying – “To ask my bring a moment’s shame, but not to ask and remain ignorant brings a lifetime of shame.”
Islamic mentality discourages critical thinking as well as asking relevant questions. Muhammed made it clear –
5:101
أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَسْأَلُوا عَنْ أَشْيَاءَ إِن تُبْدَ لَكُمْ تَسُؤْكُمْ وَإِن تَسْأَلُوا عَنْهَا حِينَ يُنَزَّلُ الْقُرْآنُ تُبْدَ لَكُمْ عَفَا اللَّهُ عَنْهَا وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ حَلِيمٌ
Literally:
O you who believe! (Do) not ask about things if made clear to you, it may distress you and if you ask about it when the Quran is being revealed it would be made clear to you. Allah has pardoned [you about] it, and Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, All-Forbearing.
A short synopsis: (substitute Allah with mo) if you don’t understand WHEN mo is revealing it, ask him and he will clarify. If you ask about it LATER it will trouble you (make mo look bad for saying something stupid) and you become a non believer. So, as a result, anyone questioning today, ( can still make mo look bad as well as make Islam look bad) if they “understand” fully it will trouble them to the point of disbelief. Why do most Muslims leave Islam – they read the Quranor biography of mo? Why would mo use such a tactic? Well, if the ignorant followers accept a verse, fine, if they don’t understand or think it ridiculous, mo just adds some new stuff to correct his own stupidity until they are “satisfied” with the updated verse ( good thing for mo that he taught them, and they accepted, the idea of abrogation – it left the door open to completely manipulate his followers – and if mo was good at anything besides killing and raping, he was good at deception and manipulation of the ignorant – the proof – he is still able to do so today, even though he is dead. )
duh_swami says
Allah has an interesting interview for those who don’t think his instructions are worthy of following…It involve boiling water and a blow torch…and that5’s of he’s in a good mood……
Jeremiah says
We can keep holding academic discourses until we are beheaded or we can do something about Islam.
1. Wake up that they hate us.
2. Accept that the Koran teaches hate, and
2. Utterly destroy the teaching of hate at it source
It is our choice to keep arguing or to act.
duh_swami says
HMMM thanks,,,But I really don’t need you to tell me how to act…
Baucent says
“Back then it was 37 percent who prayed daily five times or more. Now 50 percent are praying five times a day or more. Similarly, an increasing proportion – 77 percent – think that the Quran’s instructions must be applied fully, as compared to 62 percent in 2006”.
Some years ago when Muslim migration began to be noticed in the West, there was talk of these muslim arrivals becoming “westernized”, less devout and some even leaving Islam. It was a commonly held idea that there was no need to be concerned as these immigrants would adopt our values and way of life. That may have happened so some extent and with some early migrants, but there has been a world wide resurgence in Islam and so you can see more devout muslims in Europe than in parts of the traditional muslim world. Just take one aspect, the wearing of the head covering by women. In the 1960’s and 1970’s if you visited the middle east ,with the exception of Saudi Arabia, a large percentage of muslim women did not wear a head covering. Now they do or risk attack on the streets.
Orthodoxy, not liberal reformation is winning in the Islamic world and that is a danger for all.
SHANE BRANDON says
I hold it a principle that the duration of peace is in direct proportion to the slaughter you inflict on the enemy.
Gen.Mikhail Skobelov 1881.
Let us apply Skobelov’s principle to our enemies in the same way they apply Islamic jihad to us.
In Britain we are racing to a conclusion to end this brutal menace, that only civil war will determine.
Time to burn the the “Peace in our time” worthless slip of paper and take the necessary action they understand.
ich says
ALWAYS SCREAMING !!
Why?
They are like a society of pitbulls.
Or rather the loud annoying snippy dogs you want to punt to the curb
Jeremiah says
There is no music in Islam. Perhaps it is a form of entertainment to scream a lot?
CT says
Had Thomas Jefferson’s writing of religious freedom been interpreted in his day as this, he would as president, been making provision for the Barbary Pirates (Muslims) to come live in the USA.
I don’t think so.
The “separation of church and state idea” was identifying the parameters from which the FEDERAL Govt. would be excluded — shall make no law…
That, has been turned on its head.
sal says
Hijrah – A Grand Strategy? Hijrah is jihad by emigration.
It means moving to a new land in order to bring Islam there and is considered in Islam to be a holy and revered action. “And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many locations and abundance, and whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him, his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah.” (4:100) So if a Muslim dies in the process, that’s essentially the same as being a suicide bomber, his reward is automatic. This explains the great eagerness to undertake such a perilous journey.
This current massive hijrah was announced last January although few paid the announcement much attention. A supporter (or member) of ISIS uploaded a document in Arabic that urged Muslims to get to Lybia for its proximity to southern Europe and for the important tactical value of its illegal immigration circuits to facilitate infiltration of European cities (“It has a long coast and looks upon the southern Crusader states, which can be reached with ease by even a rudimentary boat”).
Other Muslim countries are not “taking in” these “refugees” because this is a hijrah into Europe. This is no humanitarian crisis. It is an invasion. Its goal is to transform Europe: overtax its economies, tear down its wealthiest nations, re – draw the demographics and, of course, the culture.
gts58 says
Islam has been advocating inbreeding for centuries (marrying 1st. Cousins, sisters, etc.) – thus a majority of Muslims are in a state of “Clinical Insanity” – sadly, as a result of political correctness, this fact remains deeply buried by the MSM.
Greg Sway says
Those 77% should also be thrown out of Denmark immediately if not sooner.end of conversation.
John K. says
Islam = WW3… think only 20y back…now look around and think 20y ahead…..
Game Over.
Jerry says
Taqiyya:
The Qur’an was “revealed” to Mohamma by Satan disguised as Gabriel/Gibril.