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Egyptian journalist: Sermon on Mount should be taught in Egyptian schools

Oct 15, 2015 9:31 am By Raymond Ibrahim

Ibrahim Eissa, an Egyptian television personality, recently made some remarks that were as objective as they were startling to many in Egypt.

After pointing out that it is good to teach Coptic Christians the Koran in public schools, simply because knowledge of the Koran goes a long way in improving knowledge of the Arabic language—which both Copts and Muslims should aspire to—Eissa said:

But here we come to the real question: Why isn’t Christ’s Sermon on the Mount, as recorded in the Gospel—which is one of the greatest and brightest of statements, full of wisdom and justice—also being taught?

He then stressed that, if Copts should be taught the Koran, so should Muslims learn from the New Testament:  “And if you disagree, then you are unjust, unfair, and unpatriotic.”

Meanwhile, back in the real world, many of Egypt’s pious dismiss or condemn Eissa as an apostate for making this and other “outrageous” claims.

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  1. ich says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 9:36 am

    I dont think anyone can say one bad thing about Jesus.

    Muhammed…………….whew………………madness !!

    • Don Foss says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 10:44 am

      Bingo!

      • Scott M says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 5:05 am

        Oh yeah! He’s a dead man walking …they’ll sort him out soon enough.. he’s offended islam for sure…bloody heretic..

        When will people learn not to speak your mind!

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 3:12 am

      JESUS WAS BORING
      A personal view by A Warner

      Quite frankly, to an adventure-seeker like me,
      Jesus was boring.
      Look at the things he did NOT do.
      I mean, he did not:
      have a favourite sword with its own name,
      make dawn raids on unsuspecting villages,
      take prisoners,
      demand ransom money,
      take booty,
      behead anyone, let alone 600 in a day,
      kill anyone, or take part in stoning people,
      have a fire lit on a captive’s chest
      to make him say where the money was,
      have men’s feet and hands cut off,
      their eyes put out with hot nails and leave
      them to die on hot desert rocks without water,

      ……and more….
      See
      https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBParty/posts/499505160166601

      • Scott M says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 5:07 am

        VERY GOOD!

      • No Fear says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 11:42 pm

        Exactly!

  2. Gary says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 10:16 am

    Egypt’s pious dismiss or condemn Eissa as an apostate for making this and other “outrageous” claims.

    Now why would they do that if in fact they also “Claim” to believe that Jesus was a prophet?

    Which is it? Was he a prophet or not.

    If He was, then why condemn Eissa’s comments?

    Once again….

    Muslims reveal their ‘Mohammad or nothing’ stance.

    To which Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

    Silly Muslims… You’ll one day stand before The King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

    Will your Mohammad save you?

    • Joseph says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 12:55 pm

      Gary,
      you have to understand that Muslims love death so much that they want to ensure they receive the 2nd death.
      Remember that you can’t threaten a Christian with death, you only can threaten him with eternal life.

      • Gary says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 2:19 pm

        Agreed Joseph!

        And reason why a Christian can stand, without fear, before a Muslim Psychopath bent on murdering any “supposed infidel” and state…..

        “I believe in the Son. I believe in the risen One. I believe I overcome. By the power of His blood.”

        Like Simon Peter, we can boldly proclaim:

        “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and know that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (John 6:68)

        Amen. Amen. I’m alive. I’m alive. Because He lives!!

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 6:56 pm

      Gary wrote:

      Egypt’s pious dismiss or condemn Eissa as an apostate for making this and other “outrageous” claims.

      Now why would they do that if in fact they also “Claim” to believe that Jesus was a prophet?

      Which is it? Was he a prophet or not.
      ………………………

      Gary, you have to understand that the Muslim “Prophet Isa” is *nothing* like the Jesus of the Gospels. There is no Sermon on the Mount in the Qur’an.

      It is not just that “Isa” is not the Savior or crucified–he was also not a healer or a peacemaker.

      In fact, the main role of “Jesus” in Islam is in the last days, where he “breaks the cross and kills the pigs”, and kills all Christians who refuse to convert to Islam.

    • abad says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 3:19 pm

      Only a Living God can save His people.

      Unfortunately, Muhammad is dead. While the Quran demotes Jesus to “equal status” with Muhammad – which is of course totally wrong.

      Jesus is Alive He is the Saviour.

      Hallelujah!

  3. Angemon says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 11:02 am

    Meanwhile, back in the real world, many of Egypt’s pious dismiss or condemn Eissa as an apostate for making this and other “outrageous” claims.

    Of course they did – orthodox islam teaches muslims everything they need to know about Christianity. Except for a little detail: it’s all false, and a cursory reading of Christian texts should be enough to prove it. And we can’t have inquiring muslim minds thinking “hmmm, if islam lies about what Christianity teaches could it lie about anything else?”.

  4. jayell says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 11:37 am

    Could anyone please explain why, if muslims are supposed to revere Jesus as much as some people say they do, why aren’t they already being taught about the Sermon on the Mount? And the Good Samaritan? Or don’t these fit too well with the rest of their ‘creed’?

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 6:57 pm

      Jayell, please see my reply to Gary.

      • jayell says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 1:41 pm

        Thanks, Gravenimage. When I bought my copy of thr Qu’ran I first looked up in the index for the ‘Sermon on the Mount’ and the ‘Parable of the Good Samaritan’ (and a few other things), but found nothing. So what’s their explanation for leaving all these key things out? Also, I noticed that the edtion I have is a very typical smallish-format (less than A5), not very thick paperback book and the typeface is pretty standard for a paperback, i.e., not ‘small’. I compared that with one of my Bibles, which was larger format (clearly much more than A5), about four or five times thicker and with a marginally smaller typeface. I imagine that comparative word-counts on both of these books would reveal an astronomical difference. Has anyone got an accurate word count? Now, if the Qu’ran actually contained all the material of the Bible plus the islamic material, it would be a huge volume; and that would still be true even if it contained only part of the wisdom of the Bible. But that clearly cannot be the case. So how is the claim that Islam is the successor to Christianity and Judaism justified?

        • abad says

          Oct 16, 2015 at 3:26 pm

          The problem is, Muslims cannot prove Islam is successor to Christianity (it’s probably easier to say Christianity was not to have a successor [Ecclesiastes 3:13-15, Revelation 22:18-20]).

          Christianity is complete and perfect unto itself according to the Lord.

        • Diana says

          Oct 17, 2015 at 7:01 am

          The New Testament is about 200,000 words long. The Old Testament is 600,000. (This varies with the translation, of course.)

          The Quran is about 160,000 words.

    • Huck Folder says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 1:19 am

      Serpent on the Mount (Arafat) = YKW

  5. somehistory says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 11:41 am

    They object to what he said because they hate the truth…they can’t handle the truth…and Jesus spoke only what is true. They don’t want their children to know the truth.
    Jesus said, “You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free (John 8:32).”
    If they heard it, those whose hearts inclined them, would know what he said is true and they would recognize it as the opposite of the lies they hear daily…freeing them from the blinding darkness of the beast that is islam.

    • jayell says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 1:48 pm

      Yes, but that still doesn’t answer the question. If you are supposed to respect and revere some authoritative person – as Jesus is apparently supposed to be in islamic circles – you don’t just assume the right to pick and choose from their teachings as suits you, because then you are promoting yourself ABOVE the person/authority who is supposed to be guiding you. And if you do that, it is deceitful to claim that you are following the ‘authority’ in question, because, quite simply, you aren’t. Or is this where our muslim friends claim that we have perverted Jesus’ message, despite the fact that we had it all down in black and white centuries before they appeared on the scene, and their ‘corrected’ version is is simply an edited version with whole chunks cut out where (by strange coincidence) they didn’t accord with the amoral ramblings of their delinquent ‘prophet’. Or were they even being that ‘clever’? Well, we can all play at THAT game, and the gutter press do it all the time (omitting facts, twisting facts to get a ‘sensation’ and then -with a bit of luck – being sued for it!).

      • garegin says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 11:37 pm

        I thought about this dilemma for some time. It’s really the biggest issue with the Quran. Namely, that the narratives are missing huge chunks of detail. To give some perspective, Jerusalem isn’t mentioned even once. You basically have author/s that are completely clueless about first-century Israel’s geography or culture. Sermon on the mount isn’t mentioned, but that’s the tip of the iceberg.

      • Diana says

        Oct 17, 2015 at 7:06 am

        Muslims tend to believe that the Bible has been altered by wicked, stubborn Christians. Because nobody knows what was changed, none of it can be trusted.

        Oddly, Muhammad did not seem to know this. He said that Muslims should trust the Bible. (He did accuse the Jews of Medina of orally misquoting their written texts. This could be the origin of the myth of the altered Bible.)

        Muslims do not understand textual criticism and they cannot absorb the arguments for the textual reliability of the Bible. On the other hand, they are so used to believing contradictory matters simultaneously that they are often willing to read the modern Bible with some respect DESPITE believing it is not the original Bible. Sometimes they become so emotionally involved with what they read there that they convert to Christianity.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 3:19 am

      “So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you.”
      Koran 10:94

  6. Linde Barrera says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    I read very recently Raymond Ibrahim’s article about countries that today are majority Muslim but in the centuries after Christ were majority Christian, so teaching anything about Jesus in Egypt is really part of their history!

  7. Edward says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    The Islam (the never forgive and forget) religion cherry picked the Holy Bible when they plagiarized it’s tenets at the time the Muslim’s church fathers were drafting their playbook……..’The naughty Koran’.

    Read the Koran, Where Jesus Chris lost His Divinity, Virgin Mary and Jesus’ apostles were named also, on the NT. As for the OT they mentioned the ancient prophets. The Godhead of Heaven should sue the Muslim world for desecrating His Holy Book! They cheapen their human dignity when they did!

    Shame on them, for God is very sad because the Muslim’s has misuse the freewill He gave them. Included: in His endowment of His Own Image attributes (free will) as a gift when they were created.

    Oh, I forgot they concocted their own creation account!

    http://muslimmatters.org/2012/02/03/the-creation-of-man-as-mentioned-in-the-quran/

    desecrating > to divert from a sacred to a profane use or purpose.

    • Edward says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 3:15 pm

      More about God’s endowed gift to His newly conceived creations: The great Theologian Augustine divinity assertion “that the human mind was the location of humanity, and thus the location of the Image of God.”

  8. Andy Infidel says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    It’s very simple, the Jesus of the New Testament is not the Jesus of the evil koran. There is no Sermon on the Mount in the koran.

  9. TH says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    In my opinion the Qur’an should be thought everywhere so as to be an innoculation against Obama, Cameron and the rest of the dhimmi politicians and media. It would become clear to everyone that it is a book which promotes hatred and killing. The more it is known the better for the cause of justice and freedom.

    • Blitz2b says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 9:05 pm

      Exactly, so that everyone with even half a brain could develop a natural immunity to this noxious ideology, rather than listening to the whitewashed versions of it from liars like CAIR and false advocates like Bush, Blair, Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Pope Francis, Prince Charles.

      A lie needs all the help in the world to keep it afloat, and Islam is getting all the help from all the idiot world politicians and religious leaders .

      • Raja says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 12:51 pm

        Blitz2b,

        Good post. These crooks/morons-Bush, Blair, Obama, Cameron, Merkel, Pope Francis, Prince Charles owe an explanation to the world how a few adherents of Islam volunteer to take on the role of Satan and do the nut and ugly job so meticulously.thoroughly..

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 3:22 am

      “Mr. Cameron, Islam is Hostile”, at LibertyGB.
      http://www.libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6923-mr-cameron-islam-is-hostile

      • Raja says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 12:43 pm

        Michael,

        With all due respect to you, HOSTILE is gross understatement. At PERPETUAL WAR and UGLY TO all non Muslims would be more appropriate words.

        Regards,

  10. Angemon says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    Yeah, but what if his bodyguards are/become devout muslims? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

  11. Perfectchild says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm

    Unbelievable.

    “Egyptian journalist: Sermon on Mount should be taught in Egyptian schools”

    And not one person refers to that offending light.

    Luke 6:

    20 Looking at his disciples, he said:

    “Blessed are you who are poor,
    for yours is the kingdom of God.
    21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
    for you will be satisfied.
    Blessed are you who weep now,
    for you will laugh.
    22 Blessed are you when people hate you,
    when they exclude you and insult you
    and reject your name as evil,
    because of the Son of Man.

    Do you even understand its meaning?

    • Perfectchild says

      Oct 18, 2015 at 10:21 am

      These are the three stages to unhypnosis, to get your head out of what it first got into:

      “Blessed are you who are poor,
      for yours is the kingdom of God.”

      Drop the pretense you belong to any group-identity, to any pride, to any justified-resentment.

      “Blessed are you who hunger now,
      for you will be satisfied”.

      Find out how you became judgmental over what you call inferior, the emptiness crying out to be filled so that you did not have to face your own fear, anxiety and inadequacy.

      “Blessed are you who weep now,
      for you will laugh.”

      You will be set free by the painful truth. And laugh that it controls you no more. Heaven and Earth will pass away but this very principle of laying to rest fight-flight impulses that others can press. You are now no one’s forced slave or comrade.

      Therefore, you will have the Muslim and Socialist Dogs set on you, who don’t want themselves or anyone to wake up.

      “Blessed are you when people hate you,
      when they exclude you and insult you
      and reject your name as evil,
      because of the Son of Man.”

      Because you are human.

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