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France: “Radical” prisoner on the run after getting temporary leave from prison shoots policeman in the head

Oct 12, 2015 10:41 am By Nicolai Sennels

The photo below is from the aftermath of the shootout. “Police officers search for evidence in a street in Ile-Saint-Denis, northern suburb of Paris, after the shootout.”)

FranceOfficerShotInHeadByRadical

We will have to wait and see if this was actually terrorism or just the usual brutality that characterizes Muslim criminals. Some would claim that it all depends upon whether the attacker shouted something related to his religion (such as “Allahu akbar”) while committing his act.

Via The Local:

France’s Justice Minister Christiane Taubira came under fire on Tuesday after a radicalized inmate on the run after not returning to prison following temporary leave shot a policemen in the head during a botched robbery and car chase.

Police unions reacted angrily on Tuesday after a radicalized prisoner shot a policeman, leaving him in a critical condition.

The inmate, who had been on the run since being allowed temporary leave in May, was killed in the shoot-out after succumbing to his injuries.

The injured officer, aged 36, is in hospital with the interior minister describing his condition as “desperate”.

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  1. cheryl s. says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 11:08 am

    If it was anyone other than muslim carrying out this act of barbarism, assuredly, it would have been immediately tagged as an act of terrorism.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 12, 2015 at 1:53 pm

      Exactly. If Seventh Day Adventists or Congregationalists were committing such crimes (and especially if they committed crimes IN THE NAME of their faith) journalists and politicians would condemn them…but the French have submitted to Muslims.

      NO ONE MAY CRITICIZE OUR NEW OVERLORDS!

      • Shane says

        Oct 13, 2015 at 4:04 pm

        The French have not submitted to Islam yet, but they do try to promote the propaganda that Islam is a religion of peace, which all members of this group know to be false.

    • Dr. Divinity says

      Oct 13, 2015 at 4:29 pm

      France again wins the pinnacle of stupidity award

  2. voegelinian says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    “We will have to wait and see if this was actually terrorism or just the usual brutality that characterizes Muslim criminals. Some would claim that it all depends upon whether the attacker shouted something related to his religion (such as “Allahu akbar”) while committing his act.” — the asymptotic Nicolai Sennels

    No, we don’t have to “wait”. All Muslim behavior is some form of jihad — including the false moderation of the Jihad al-Muruna:

    Muruna: the temporary suspension of Sharia in order that Muslim immigrants appear “moderate.”

    A Taxonomy of Taqiyya
    http://hesperado.blogspot.com/2015/05/a-taxonomy-of-taqiyya.html

    • Angemon says

      Oct 12, 2015 at 4:13 pm

      voegelinian posted:

      “the asymptotic Nicolai Sennels”

      Just another example, to add to the eternally increasing mountain of them, of why you’re a detriment to this site and the CJ ovement in general.

      “No, we don’t have to “wait”.”

      Actually, we do – can you bring forth evidence that the goal from the beginning was to kill a policeman and that it wasn’t just the worst ending to a botched robbery, muslim assailant or not?

      “All Muslim behavior is some form of jihad”

      Like those screaming babies in public transportations. Sorry, I meant to say those muslim babies in public transportation – after all, that’s the only difference between an everyday occurrence and an act of terrorism, right?

      • Godless says

        Oct 12, 2015 at 9:36 pm

        Angemon: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/10/spencer-stone-stabbing-police-searching-for-two-muslim-male-suspects-say-attack-not-terrorism/comment-page-1#comment-1307255 here you are pretty much denying that you want to wait for more evidence. It seems like a contradiction. Why in this case do we need to wait for evidence but in the case of Stone stabbing? Please explain, your obfuscating is confusing.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 12, 2015 at 10:14 pm

          Godless posted:

          “here you are pretty much denying that you want to wait for more evidence. It seems like a contradiction.”

          Did you not read what I wrote?

          “Actually, we do – can you bring forth evidence that the goal from the beginning was to kill a policeman and that it wasn’t just the worst ending to a botched robbery, muslim assailant or not?”

          Maybe you should think twice before blurting out such petty attempts to troll people…

          “Please explain, your obfuscating is confusing.”

          I’m certain you get confused a lot in your daily life, but please, try to explain exactly what am I obfuscating. Or do you just like to throw around words whose meaning you don’t know?

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:42 pm

          “Whatever the case may be, there’s definitely a connection between you and”Godless””

          I already told Angemion what the “connection” is — she’s a friend I know from a chat venue called “Paltalk chat”, where in certain rooms, many people from all over the world — much like Jihad Watch comments — get together to discuss various aspects of the problem of Islam. The only difference is that there one can discuss in real time — with voice chat (where people take turns coming up to the “mic” (microphone) and actually talk to the room. In these two respects — discussion in real time and including vocal chat along with texting chat on the screen — it is superior to Jihad Watch comments. Also in the fact that there, I have forged counter-jihad friendships with at least five people from around the world I could name, in addition to “Godless” (aka “godlessgirl1”) who seem to be free of the strange impediments to their brain in getting the problem of Islam and the problem of the problem which seem to afflict Angemon and the rest of the FOPs (Friends of Phillip) and the remaining Silent Majority who never pitch in to try to help me out whenever Angemon zooms in to pester me with a circus act of sophistry for my tough stance on Muslims..

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 4:05 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Also in the fact that there, I have forged counter-jihad friendships with at least five people from around the world I could name”

          Great, no less than five people that will, eventually, go the path of “Godless” and serve as your mouthpieces here. Oh, joy!

          “ in addition to “Godless” (aka “godlessgirl1”) who seem to be free of the strange impediments to their brain in getting the problem of Islam and the problem of the problem which seem to afflict Angemon and the rest of the FOPs (Friends of Phillip) and the remaining Silent Majority who never pitch in to try to help me out whenever Angemon zooms in to pester me with a circus act of sophistry for my tough stance on Muslims..”

          Just another example of your MO: whatever it is you say is automatically right, it’s not up for discussion, and whoever dares question it automatically has a “strange impediment in their brain” and is to be bullied into silence.

          You never, ever – not even once – explained why anything I ever wrote is “sophistry” – you simply throw that accusation around and hope it sticks. And then you wonder why no one takes that seriously. As for why anyone is under the obligation of “trying to help” you when not only you don’t see fit to try to help yourself but also consider them to be “fucktards“, that has yet to be explained. Your whole shtick is that of muslims: throw the rock, play the victim and if you can’t fool them, try to shame them.

          As for your alleged “tough stance”, I already shattered that myth: death sentence vs living a long, happy ling in whatever country they decide. What of those options do you consider to be a “tough stance”? Oh, yeah – long, happy life. The difference is, I say we are to uphold and enforce Western laws (remember, it’s ignoring laws that has gotten us on this mess to begin with) while you would prefer to ignore laws, have lynch mobs and a totalitarian police state – did you not say that all muslims should be considered enemies and that law enforcement agencies should instead try to focus their resources into deciding who is a muslim and who isn’t?

        • Godless says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 10:02 pm

          It is hilarious that Angemon thinks he can wriggle his way out of having been wrong about Voeg and I being the same person. Angemon from what I have seen you project everything you are guilty of onto other people. Your replies to me so far have not been actual responses to my questions and points. I can see that you people will never fully grasp the problem of Islam. Know that you appear to us (Voeg and I) the same way that people who defend Islam appear to you. So irrational. If Angemon came on Paltalk and debated me live on mic about the problem of Islam I would destroy him.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 7:17 am

          Godless posted:

          “It is hilarious that Angemon thinks he can wriggle his way out of having been wrong about Voeg and I being the same person.”

          Again, I said more than once that you were taking marching orders from him and you were his mouthpiece. And if you were honest you’d confirm that. What is hilarious is the lengths voeg goes to – badgering people via email to come here and harass me, recruiting people on online chats to do the same, etc.

          But, of course, voeg claimed that I said you were the same person, and therefore “Godless”, like the good dhimmi that he is, needs to drive that point home and keep the masquerade up.

          “Angemon from what I have seen you project everything you are guilty of onto other people.”

          Nope, that’s voeg’s shtick. Going by that logic, and seeing how you claimed I accused you of being voeg, you need to prove that I have another account here. But, of course, you won’t. That’s because a) I don’t have, and b) your goal here is to simply harass me – throw crap in my general direction, like a monkey with its feces.

          “ Your replies to me so far have not been actual responses to my questions and points.”

          And, of course, you don’t point where and why I’m not answering your questions. No, this is just voeg’s charges of “sophistry” and “red herrings” by other words.

          “I can see that you people will never fully grasp the problem of Islam. Know that you appear to us (Voeg and I) the same way that people who defend Islam appear to you. So irrational.”

          This coming from someone who was recruited to come here and insult me by someone who can’t defend his arguments using logic and facts.

          “If Angemon came on Paltalk and debated me live on mic about the problem of Islam I would destroy him.”

          Going by what I’ve seen of you here, you’d act like muslim apologists – lie and call names, and run from facts like the devil from the cross.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 6:13 am

          Does voeg *talk* in the same style as he *writes* ?

          By the way, (just curious) do you, or anyone else on PalTalk, ever *disagree* with anything voeg says, and if you do, how does he respond ?

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:18 am

          There’s another question begging to be asked, Mirren. Well, two of them. The first one being how on earth one can cal oneself a counter-jihadi and not know about JihadWatch? Going by voeg’s account of events, he met “Godless” in Paltalk, told him of what was going on here and “enlisted” his help. And notice that this must have happened recently – despite voeg’s obfuscation and claims that my alleged “streams of bullshit” have been going on for years, it’s not even 18 months since I first butted heads with him.

          The second one is why is voeg still hanging around JW after all this time? Why does he insist to come back to a place where he considers “remaining Silent Majority who never pitch in to try to help [him] out” to be “fucktards” with a “strange impediments to their brain “. He’s been banned and he despises msot of the people here, so why is he still here?

          Also – because sometimes I like to indulge my meaner side – I’ll just point out I’ve been a regular in PalTalk for years now. I suspect voeg and “Godless” won’t have a good night’s sleep over it from now on – who am I? That’s for me to know and for them to find out 😀

        • Godless says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 9:12 am

          Mirren, unfortunately almost all of the counter-Jihad on Paltalk are irrational softies about Islam just like our leaders just like our leaders and you and your crew on here are. Voeg responds by giving facts and reasoned arguments while they behave like Angemon. You guys act like the leaders in the counter-Jihad are gods who should not be criticized.

          Why do you guys act like me coming here because Voeg was chatting to me about how unreasonable you are guys are was so long process that required a lot of effort on his part? I have been a regular reading of JihadWatch for over a year and just didn’t bother with comments section before.

          Angemon if you really are a regular on Paltalk then you would know I am female because you have heard me on the microphone. If you are telling the truth then I suspect you fear debating me because you know I am a master heavy-weight debater. It would be a waste of time on here to respond to every one of your evading questions, red herrings, strawmen, rabbit trails and irrelevant points. In live text and voice chat I will embarrass you.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:09 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Mirren, unfortunately almost all of the counter-Jihad on Paltalk are irrational softies about Islam just like our leaders just like our leaders and you and your crew on here are. Voeg responds by giving facts and reasoned arguments while they behave like Angemon. You guys act like the leaders in the counter-Jihad are gods who should not be criticized. ”

          What a bunch of crook. Voeg doesn’t get any traction here precisely because he behaves like an ass and eschews fact-based discussion in favour of having a “posse” that shouts down any dissenting voices – his own private army of brownshirts. Anyone here who tried to reason with him can attest to that. What you’re doing is simply repeating voeg’s propaganda. As for this alleged “crew” you speak of, there are plenty of individuals from all walks of life with something in common congregating on this site. The only ones with a “crew” to speak of are islamic apologists and voeg, who badgered people via email to come to JW and defend him.

          Regarding out alleged behavior towards the “Counter Jihad leaders”, bollocks – as far as I can tell no one here ever said they were above criticism. However, there’s criticism and then there’s voeg’s attempts at character assassination like, for example, ascribing them all manner of nonsense. Recently voeg claim that Robert Spencer was genuinely expecting that the Islamic State would come on record and distance themselves from the beheadings they did. Do you agree with that assertion?

          If anyone here acts as if he’s above criticism is voeg. He regularly asks – nay, he demands – others to bully critics of him into silence. And your presence here is the crystallization of said behavior.

          On a side note, that remark of you about out alleged “gods” gives a completely different meaning to your alias.

          Now, Godless, do you agree with what voeg said regarding the majority of people here being “fucktards>” with a “strange brain impediment“?

          “Why do you guys act like me coming here because Voeg was chatting to me about how unreasonable you are guys are was so long process that required a lot of effort on his part?”

          Now, now, no obfuscation, please – the issue here is not how long it took him to brainwash you to come here but the fact that he went somewhere else to “enlist” people to come here to toe his line, repeat his propaganda and harass anyone who criticizes him. Also, what voeg says about people here often doesn’t overlap with reality. And if we were to remove the few times where he raised a feeble voice against muslim trolls, “often” would become “almost every single time”.

          Again, Godless, do you agree with what voeg said regarding the majority of people here being “fucktards>” with a “strange brain impediment“?

          “Angemon if you really are a regular on Paltalk then you would know I am female because you have heard me on the microphone.”

          Nope. As far as I can tell I have no idea of who you are and never interacted with you. Do you know who I am in Paltalk?

          “If you are telling the truth then I suspect you fear debating me because you know I am a master heavy-weight debater. It would be a waste of time on here to respond to every one of your evading questions, red herrings, strawmen, rabbit trails and irrelevant points. In live text and voice chat I will embarrass you.”

          Bwahahahaha!!! *snort*

          “master heavy-weight debater”

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh, my sides! MY SIDES!!!

          All you’ve done here is boast about how “heavy weight” you are, repeat voeg’s propaganda and throw mud in the general direction he points. I’d be embarrassed all right – that I actually took the time to interact with someone blatantly as irrational and unwilling to deal in facts as you have shown to be.

          Godless, do you agree with what voeg said regarding the majority of people here being “fucktards>” with a “strange brain impediment“?

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 12:04 pm

          Well, godless, I asked you two very simple questions, which you have failed to answer; or perhaps, in terms of my *second* question, the answer is that *no-one* on PalTalk differs from voeg, ever, and therefore you felt no need to answer my question.

          However, I * will* ask you this; one of the points on which some of us differ from voegelinian, is his cavalier disregard of the actual *laws* that are in place in the West.

          He recently opined that mosques should be subjected to random searches. I pointed out that the law, as it stands, doesn’t allow for this. Voegelinian’s response to my point was that I was a ‘softie’.

          I will also mention the thread in which voegelinian states that feeling commpassion for a young muslim woman who was gang raped, then murdered by her family, because she was ‘unclean’, exhibits ‘bleeding heart’ tendencies.

          Is this what you subscribe to ?

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 12:20 pm

          To Angemon.

          You must, of course, do as you see fit, but speaking for myself, only, I feel that voegelinian has really gone beyond the pale.

          Not only has he badgered people in private emails, to come and defend him, he’s carrying on this nonsense onto another site. (I’m reminded of the ghastly ‘Americana’, who
          threatened us with a phalanx of her friends and relatives who would come onto JW, in support of her self-serving tarradiddles), 🙂

          So, for me, I’m just going to ignore voeg and his hagiographic sidekick. Unless, of course, voeg finds his brain and integrity, and starts posting something intelligent and concise; which he *has* done, in the past.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:23 pm

          Mirren10 posted:

          “Not only has he badgered people in private emails, to come and defend him, he’s carrying on this nonsense onto another site. (I’m reminded of the ghastly ‘Americana’, who
          threatened us with a phalanx of her friends and relatives who would come onto JW, in support of her self-serving tarradiddles), 🙂
          ”

          Let’s not forget that he was banned several times. By his own admission he has found a place where most people aren’t “fucktards” with a “strange brain impediment“, and yet he keeps coming back here.

          “So, for me, I’m just going to ignore voeg and his hagiographic sidekick. Unless, of course, voeg finds his brain and integrity, and starts posting something intelligent and concise; which he *has* done, in the past.”

          Probably the most rational thing to do. But since since the all might Oracle already declared me to be “irrational” and its purse-rat squeaked in repetition… 🙂

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 2:17 am

          I love the term, ” purse-rat” ! Nice one. 🙂

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 3:55 am

          I’ve been a regular in PalTalk for years now. I suspect voeg and “Godless” won’t have a good night’s sleep over it from now on – who am I? That’s for me to know and for them to find out — Angemon

          If Angemon has been on Paltalk for years, why doesn’t he know who godlessgirl is? One reasonable explanation for that would be that he has been spending those years in Paltalk chat rooms which godlessgirl doesn’t frequent. There are a few hundred rooms I think on Paltalk. Godlessgirl and I spend most of our time in rooms where the problem of Islam is likely to be discussed by many. Unfortunately, that turns out to be a very few rooms — a few in one section called “Human Rights” which is a sub-section of “Social Issues and Politics”, and then in a completely different area, the “Christianity” sub-section of the “Religion & Spirituality” section where only one room has rousing discussions of the Islam problem. Since Angemon doesn’t seem to have ever seen or heard of godlessgirl before he saw her here in Jihad Watch comments, and since virtually everyone in those rooms in those sub-sections I mentioned knows her, one reasonably concludes Angemon has been spending his “years” on Paltalk in some other rooms or even wholly other sub-sections or sections. Perhaps he’s been spending those “years” in the Filipino karaoke rooms, where people can spend hours playing cheesy music on mic and typing inanities in text. Or perhaps he likes to frequent the 40+ Singles chat room; or the “Talk Dirty 2 Me” room in the Adult section…

        • Angemon says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 6:41 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “If Angemon has been on Paltalk for years, why doesn’t he know who godlessgirl is? One reasonable explanation for that would be that he has been spending those years in Paltalk chat rooms which godlessgirl doesn’t frequent.”

          Yes, that would be the first explanation that would spring to anyone’s mind – and the most reasonable one while at it. But you were never one to let reasonability cloud your judgment, were you? Especially when it comes to denigrating someone you perceived as having wronged you – there’s no stopping you when it comes to that. Now, I’m going to go on a limb here and say that someone who calls himself a “master heavy-weight debater” and talks about “destroying” people might not be the most reliable source – people who talk like that tend to overestimate themselves just a tiny little bit…

          In any case, you’re trying to figure out my PalTalk alias so you can harass me there as well. Not going to work – I spend my time there fighting the good fight, not recruiting people to go on websites and shout down people I dislike.

          Also, you might want to start cooking the detail of your stories with your little thrall – “godless” went to say “Angemon if you really are a regular on Paltalk then you would know I am female because you have heard me on the microphone“. That you needed to correct him on such a basic detail doesn’t bode well for you.

          “Godlessgirl and I spend most of our time in rooms where the problem of Islam is likely to be discussed by many.”

          Apparently, the “problem of Islam” includes badmouthing JW and the people posting in it. And apparently, it also includes gathering the internet equivalent of an angry mob – small and pathetic as said mob is in this case – and clomp over to JW to harass one user. But hey, good to know that you two are busy handling the problem of islam by exacting your petty vengeances on JW users.10/10, Two Thumbs Up, Would Read Again. Phew, I feel safer already!

          “ Since Angemon doesn’t seem to have ever seen or heard of godlessgirl before he saw her here in Jihad Watch comments”

          You mean since he came here to harass me at your request. You know, when you were discussing the problem of islam.

          “and since virtually everyone in those rooms in those sub-sections I mentioned knows her,”

          Or so you say. In any case, always good to see your dual standards at work. Remember when you said “Angemon must be spending literally 10 hours a day hunting down all m y posts“? Like I stated, I get email notifications of new posts. How long does it take to be known by virtually anyone in a series of chatrooms? Again, dual standards.

          “one reasonably concludes Angemon has been spending his “years” on Paltalk in some other rooms or even wholly other sub-sections or sections.”

          Yeah, I tend to avoid eco chambers where obviously unbalanced people vent their rage and impotence and try to enlist other people to shout down those they perceived to have wronged them.

          “Perhaps he’s been spending those “years” in the Filipino karaoke rooms, where people can spend hours playing cheesy music on mic and typing inanities in text. Or perhaps he likes to frequent the 40+ Singles chat room; or the “Talk Dirty 2 Me” room in the Adult section…”

          Perhaps you should stop fantasizing how I spend my time online. Your obsession with me is unhealthy. I joked a couple of times about living in the great empty space that is your mind – since you seem to be thinking about me a lot – but now you’re just getting creepy. Seek help.

      • Godless says

        Oct 12, 2015 at 9:42 pm

        Correction: Why in this case do we need to wait for evidence but we should NOT wait for more evidence in the case of Stone stabbing?

        • Angemon says

          Oct 12, 2015 at 10:19 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Correction: Why in this case do we need to wait for evidence but we should NOT wait for more evidence in the case of Stone stabbing?”

          Ah, I see your confusion – in one case I said that we needed to wait to tell if it was a terrorist attack or not while in the other I said wee needed more evidence to tell if it was a terrorist attack or not. And somehow, that’s “contradictory” and “obfuscating – that’s exactly the kind of sophistry we came to expect from voeg.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 12, 2015 at 11:34 pm

          Angemon, I agree that there was no contradiction that I could see in your stance between these two threads–I’m not sure what Godless think is the difference.

          One point–I have often mentioned when Voegelinian “calls out” other posters, including yourself, rather than just replying to them if they comment–and now I feel I must do the same when you called him out here.

          Apart from that, I hope you are well.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 12, 2015 at 11:52 pm

          There’s a bit of back-story to that, GI. If you take the time to search through “Godless”‘s posts you’ll see that not his speech pattern and mannerism match voegs, he also spends most – if not all, I certainly don’t remember seeing him replying to someone else – of his time here trying to toss mud in my general direction, as can be seen in recent and older topics alike. Also, this:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/muslim-clerics-those-who-insult-muhammad-have-no-right-to-live#comment-1254638

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 12:13 am

          that not only his speech pattern

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 12:16 am

          Angemon has several times accused Godless girl of being me (or, in the barbaric language of the violently abusive friend of Mirren, gravenimage, and Wellington et al., Phillip Jihadski, my “sock puppet”). Actually, here’s the truth: I have been participating on the chat room venue called “Paltalk chat” for years now, where they have several rooms devoted to the counter-jihad, and during that time have forged a friendship with a chatter named “godlessgirl1” — and after a while I told her about Jihad Watch comments, and I told her about the streams of bullshit this guy “Angemon” has been spewing, generating a jungle of red herrings which his friends Mirren, graven image, and Wellington ignore (when they are not chiding me). So godlessgirl1 accepted my invitation to come to Jihad Watch comments and join in. And godlessgirl, unlike the fucktards in here, gets the problem of Islam and the problem of the problem.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 5:44 am

          voegelinian posted:

          “Angemon has several times accused Godless girl of being me”

          Now, now, voeg, let’s use language for it’s original purpose – accurately describe reality – and do away with the Orwellian double-speak. I accused “Godless” of being your mouthpiece and taking marching orders from you. And I didn’t do it gratuitously because I was bored or something. I pointed out, several times, the similarities between your speech patterns and stances, and the reactions I got after pointing them out. Whatever the case may be, there’s definitely a connection between you and”Godless”. And, as far as I’m concerned, whether it’s you under another name or just someone you email to and say “go to this post and reply such and such to such and such comment” doesn’t really matter to me.

          “ Actually, here’s the truth: I have been participating on the chat room venue called “Paltalk chat” for years now, where they have several rooms devoted to the counter-jihad, and during that time have forged a friendship with a chatter named “godlessgirl1” — and after a while I told her about Jihad Watch comments, and I told her about the streams of bullshit this guy “Angemon” has been spewing, generating a jungle of red herrings which his friends Mirren, graven image, and Wellington ignore (when they are not chiding me). So godlessgirl1 accepted my invitation to come to Jihad Watch comments and join in.”

          Meaning I was right all along when I called “Godless” your mouthpiece and said he takes his marching orders form you.

          “And godlessgirl, unlike the fucktards in here, gets the problem of Islam and the problem of the problem.”

          Translation: “Godless” does and believes whatever it is you say, no questions asked. But thank you for considering that people here are “fucktards” – I’m sure that’s a great way to win hearts and minds and that in no way will come back to bite you in the ass.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:03 pm

          Dear *God*, voegelinian.

          Not only are you spending your time on *JW* whining and sobbing, demanding everyone rally to you, and defend you, but you’re carrying this pathetic nonsense onto *other blogs and websites* !!

          Words fail me. Get a life.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:45 pm

          See above for my response to Angemon’s sophistry-riddled pile of rabbit turds re: my “connection” to “Godless” (these comment threads are not the best in figuring out the right place to hit “Reply”).

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 4:10 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “See above for my response to Angemon’s sophistry-riddled pile of rabbit turds re: my “connection” to “Godless””

          What “sophistry-riddled pile of rabbit turds” would that be? That I, since the beginning, knew there was a link between you and Godless? I was right about that. Do you explain why some of “Godless”‘s posts are indistinguishable from your own? No, you didn’t. All you so-called “response” did was to confirm I was right and throw a couple free insults in the general direction of most people in JW (those people you called “fucktards“).

          There’s sophistry afoot here – and it’s hailing from you.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:52 pm

          Rude and arrogant ad hom from Mirren, without a shred of a actual oounter-argument. And further, Mirren tells me to “get a life” when her friend Angemon must be spending literally 10 hours a day hunting down all m y posts (the incidence must be up to a thousand by now, spanning a few hundred threads, or maybe graveimage’s “scores”) and producing voluminous constructs of rabbit-turds-riddled sophistry — often not just once, but several times.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 4:28 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Rude and arrogant ad hom from Mirren,”

          Yes, I suspect you’d know a thing or two about rudeness and arrogance, seeing how you’re an expert on that field:

          http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/05/boston-marathon-jihad-murderers-mother-non-muslims-will-burn-in-flames-of-an-eternal-and-terrifying-fire-an-otherworldly-flame-inshaallah/comment-page-2#comment-1241263

          voegelinian says

          May 21, 2015 at 4:12 am

          Ernie is too kind. He should tell Mirren to go fuck herself.

          “without a shred of a actual oounter-argument.”

          Again, a field where you’re an expert on – for all your cries of “sophistry”, “rabbit turds” and “bugs Bunny”, there’s not an actual counter-argument in them.

          “ And further, Mirren tells me to “get a life” when her friend Angemon must be spending literally 10 hours a day hunting down all m y posts”

          Now, now, voeg, I told you before – I subscribe to topics where I post so I get new comments delivered via email. It must be a morale boost to think I do that, but it simply isn’t true, no matter how hard you wish.

          “(the incidence must be up to a thousand by now, spanning a few hundred threads, or maybe graveimage’s “scores”)”

          Huh, so what? Are you counting numbers now rather than addressing arguments? Either what I say is right and it doesn’t matter how many times I say it or what I say is wrong and it doesn’t matter how many times I say it because you can provide a counter-argument. Which you don’t do – you simply cry “asymptotic”, or “sophistry”, or “rabbit trails”, and beg for others to white knight you.

          “and producing voluminous constructs of rabbit-turds-riddled sophistry — often not just once, but several times.”

          Exactly like I said. Now, you started your post by saying something about rudeness, arrogance and lack of counter-arguments – projection much?

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:52 pm

          Voeg, you’re getting sadder and sadder.

          Really, and I don’t say this to mock, or goad you, you need to seriously think about what the hell you’re doing.

          Get help, voeg. You sorely need it.

        • voegelinian says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:57 pm

          Further, apropos of Mirren’s ad hom, two problems (aside from the glaring one I already noted — to wit, that she ignores the obsessive-compulsive usage of time Angemon indulges in, riding his anti-Hesperado Hobbyhorse): 1) she implies that spending time on the Internet front of the war-of0deas is a waste of time; 2) she assumes my effort in enlisting “Godless” for help took up more than a fraction of my Internet time — indeed, she must assume it was so time-consuming, it has dominated my time. A most curious assumption; but one stemming no doubt from her snotty (and intellectually sloppy) attitude..

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 4:48 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “Further, apropos of Mirren’s ad hom, two problems (aside from the glaring one I already noted — to wit, that she ignores the obsessive-compulsive usage of time Angemon indulges in”

          Again, your estimate of my usage of time is completely wrong. Anything you derive from that wrong premise is, naturally, wronger. But being dead wrong on something never stopped you, has it? That reminds me, how much time did you spend running an anti-JW blog where you wrote long articles explaining why people like Robert Spencer or Hugh Fitzgerald are softies who not understand islam?

          And, of course, we get no estimates of the time he takes to go around slandering and demonizing me on topics in JW, let alone outside JW. Voeg logic: let’s ignore the long list of posts where he slandersme and lets instead focus on the amount of time it takes me to defend from said slander.

          “riding his anti-Hesperado Hobbyhorse):”

          Right, because I question you regarding what you say I’m “riding an anti-Hesperado Hobbyhorse”. See, the problem is not that you say nonsensical crap, the problem is that I question it, and therefore I’m anti-you. This is the same exact mindset that leftists and muslims use to demonize critics of islam: you point out the teachings of islam that promote warfare against non-muslims and you get called “anti-muslim”

          “1) she implies that spending time on the Internet front of the war-of0deas is a waste of time;”

          There’s no actual war of ideas going on here. Unless, of course, your definition of “war of ideas” is to slander, defame and insult anyone who tries to discuss ideas in the open marketplace, hoping they’ll stand or fall based on their merits.

          “2) she assumes my effort in enlisting “Godless” for help took up more than a fraction of my Internet time — indeed, she must assume it was so time-consuming, it has dominated my time.”

          Says the guy who claimed I spent 10 hours/day searching JW for his posts. Nice dual set of standards you have there, voeg. And, as I noted, you’re not explaining why “Godless”‘s comments were indistinguishable of your own – it was not just “enlisting” someone to help you, you also took the time to search and read my comments (which, seeing how you don’t subscribe, should be time-consuming), come up with a sophistic red herring and telling him to post.

          “A most curious assumption; but one stemming no doubt from her snotty (and intellectually sloppy) attitude..”

          Again, projection at its finest.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 2:59 pm

          Voeg, anyone who carries on a vendetta from one blog, ie JW, onto another blog, and demands that people on *that* blog endorse and defend what has gone on, on the *other*blog, is exhibiting seriously paranoid tendencies.

          I repeat; seek help. You sorely need it.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 3:10 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          There’s a bit of back-story to that, GI. If you take the time to search through “Godless”‘s posts you’ll see that not his speech pattern and mannerism match voegs,
          ………………………….

          Angemon, I don’t personally believe that Voegelinian uses sock puppets–this is not something he would do. His explanation that he solicited Godless to join against posters he considers ‘adversaries’–which he has done with Champ and myself and others in the past–sounds all too plausible.

          But that he is now extending his running spats here to other venues is just depressing.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 3:14 pm

          It’s not a question of the *time* involved, but the fact that you would actually make the effort to *do* it.

          But you will never see that, and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.

          I ask you seriously, voeg; do you have anyone in your life who questions your assumptions; who questions what you’re about ?

          Or perhaps everyone in your intimate circle simply accepts, without question, your assessment of yourself,
          and you think that unquestioning assessment should be

          followed by *everyone* you interact with ?

          It doesn’t work like that, in the *real* world, dear.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 3:25 pm

          Voegelinian, I notice that my speaking with Angemon re ‘calling you out’ did nothing to prevent your insulting me. This does not surprise.

          And not just me–you refer to Mirren, Angemon, and Wellington. Certainly, Wellington and I have always been unfailingly polite to you.

          And not just other posters–you do not just present a difference of opinion with author Nicolai Sennels, but smear him as well–as you have done with Jihad Watch site owner Robert Spencer many times in the past.

          And then you appear to go even further, and characterize contributors, posters, and readers at JW as “the fucktards in here”.

          Surely you can’t believe that any of this helps you get your points across?

          Meanwhile, we are squabbling about who said what when to tick you off–and completely ignoring the deadly important story above.

          What an utter waste of time.

        • Godless says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 10:23 pm

          GravenImage even had to tell Angemon that she doesn’t think Voeg would use a sock puppet. From what Voeg has told me and from what I have seen so far though she will not correct him about things he is wrong about that actually matter. Like Islam.

          It is hilarious that Angemon thinks he can wriggle his way out of having been wrong about Voeg and I being the same person. Angemon from what I have seen you project everything you are guilty of onto other people. Your replies to me so far have not been actual responses to my questions and points. I can see that you people will never fully grasp the problem of Islam. Know that you appear to us (Voeg and I) the same way that people who defend Islam appear to you. So irrational. If Angemon came on Paltalk and debated me live on mic about the problem of Islam I would destroy him.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 7:21 am

          Godless posted:

          “GravenImage even had to tell Angemon that she doesn’t think Voeg would use a sock puppet.”

          Huh, so? Since you first showed up I said that there was a connection between you and voeg. I was right on the money.

          “From what Voeg has told me and from what I have seen so far though she will not correct him about things he is wrong about that actually matter. Like Islam.”

          It’s not GI’s job to “correct me”, and both you and voeg have yet to prove I’m wrong regarding islam or anything else. Again, I pegged you for what you were since you first reared your ugly little head – voeg’s mouthpiece.

          “It is hilarious that Angemon thinks he can wriggle his way out of having been wrong about Voeg and I being the same person.”

          Again, I said more than once that you were taking marching orders from him and you were his mouthpiece. And if you were honest you’d confirm that. What is hilarious is the lengths voeg goes to – badgering people via email to come here and harass me, recruiting people on online chats to do the same, etc.

          But, of course, voeg claimed that I said you were the same person, and therefore “Godless”, like the good dhimmi that he is, needs to drive that point home and keep the masquerade up.

          “Angemon from what I have seen you project everything you are guilty of onto other people.”

          Nope, that’s voeg’s shtick. Going by that logic, and seeing how you claimed I accused you of being voeg, you need to prove that I have another account here. But, of course, you won’t. That’s because a) I don’t have, and b) your goal here is to simply harass me – throw crap in my general direction, like a monkey with its feces.

          “ Your replies to me so far have not been actual responses to my questions and points.”

          And, of course, you don’t point where and why I’m not answering your questions. No, this is just voeg’s charges of “sophistry” and “red herrings” by other words.

          “I can see that you people will never fully grasp the problem of Islam. Know that you appear to us (Voeg and I) the same way that people who defend Islam appear to you. So irrational.”

          This coming from someone who was recruited to come here and insult me by someone who can’t defend his arguments using logic and facts.

          “If Angemon came on Paltalk and debated me live on mic about the problem of Islam I would destroy him.”

          Going by what I’ve seen of you here, you’d act like muslim apologists – lie and call names, and run from facts like the devil from the cross.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 7:31 am

          You know, this little “Godless” sideshow (I’d say freakshow, but that would an insult to the “freaks”) just serves to prove me right regarding voeg. I said many, many times that he has no interest in actual discussion and he’d love to have his own army of brownshirts to shout down and insult anyone with a different view. What did he do after preaching here for 10 years and getting 0 followers (a track record even worse than muhammad, BTW)? He went somewhere else, recruited people there and sent them over here to act like his own army of brownshirts.

        • Godless says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 10:19 am

          Angemon, ad hominem attacks and appealing to majority are logical fallacies. Also, merely asserting somebody is wrong is not an argument, you have say why they are wrong.

          I think Angemon is projecting again too. If you want to know how Angemon thinks about the JW comments section just look at what he accuses Voeg of thinking about it. You seem to be the one that wants your crew to “shout down and insult” You probably consider GravenImage and Mirren your “followers” and think you are still ahead of Voeg by 1 even though I am here now. Such a silly way to think.

          Voeg didn’t recruit me here. It was merely suggested that I participate in the comments section while we were voice chatting about JW, which I have been a regular reader of for over a year.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:20 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Angemon, ad hominem attacks and appealing to majority are logical fallacies.”

          I know that. In fact, I pointed that out to voeg many times, but he just doesn’t seem to get it. Severe comprehension issues, am I right?

          “Also, merely asserting somebody is wrong is not an argument, you have say why they are wrong.”

          Again, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying to voeg. For all his cries of “sophistry” he never actually explained why anything I ever wrote is “sophistry”.

          “I think Angemon is projecting again too.”

          Considering I never projected in the first place, it’s safe to say that’s false. Or we could say it’s false because your thinking so far has been unfairly biased against me to begin with.

          “If you want to know how Angemon thinks about the JW comments section just look at what he accuses Voeg of thinking about it.”

          You mean, what I can point out that voeg said? Like claiming most people here are “fucktards” with a “strange brain impediment“, etc. – and yet, he keeps coming back after being banned several times. There’s ample evidence floating around of what voeg thinks of people here, even before his latest hissy fit. Can you point to someplace where I say something similar or are you just going with the, redundancy aside, asinine voegelinian logic of “ignore the vile things voeg said, it’s Angemon who is in the wrong for pointing them out”? This is exactly the same mindset of muslims and islamic apologists: ignore the teachings of islamic orthodoxy, and shout that people like Robert Spencer and Bat Ye’or are in the wrong because they point them out.

          “You seem to be the one that wants your crew to “shout down and insult””

          Nope. Voeg has made repeated calls for other people to step in and defend him, as you should know if you’ve been reading the comment section. Can you point to wherever I said something similar? You can’t because I didn’t. You’re proving yourself to be a poor thinker, like voeg.

          “You probably consider GravenImage and Mirren your “followers””

          I don’t. As they very well know, I consider them as stalwart conter-jihadis and allies in the CJ movement. We’ve disagreed on some points but we kept it civil and focused on the end-game. Same can’t be said about voeg, who threw hissy fits and demanded people to step in and defend him whenever he faced criticism, going as far as badgering other JW users via email. Now prove what you said or retract your words. But I suspect you’ll do neither of those – you’ll simply ignore reason and facts and throw more crap around, like a monkey with its feces.

          “and think you are still ahead of Voeg by 1 even though I am here now.”

          Voeg is the one obsessed with “followers” – your presence here is proof enough. Not that it was needed in the first place, considering the many, many posts where he decries other users for not “defending” him.

          “Such a silly way to think.”

          I agree, that’s why I’ve been combating it whenever voeg brings it up.

          “Voeg didn’t recruit me here.”

          I think his exact word was “enlisted”, but if you want to argue semantics…

          “It was merely suggested that I participate in the comments section while we were voice chatting about JW, which I have been a regular reader of for over a year”

          A likely story. Sorry, unlikely – you’re not here to “participate in the comments”, as anyone reading your posts can clearly see. You’re here to toe voeg’s line and throw mud in my general direction. This whole post of yours can be summed up in three words: “NOT VOEG, U”, since basically you’re taking the criticism I made of voeg (and which was properly explained and backed up) and claiming it’s just me “projecting”. Next time just say those three words and spare us the time.

          And the funny part? So far, you have engaged in ALL – not some, all – of the faults you accused me of. Nowhere in your posts you show to posses the capability to engage in rational discussion, despite your self-proclaimed status of “master heavy-weight debater” (speaking of which, I think Ultra Super Hyper Mega Undefeated Heavy-Weight Master Debater has a nicer ring to it – maybe you should change your description? Heck, shorten it up to Master Debater).

          And I suspect we’ll be seeing repeats of that from now on, flooding the comment section and detracting from the discussion of the matter at hand when I post, not to participate in the comments but to toe voeg’s line and harass me with a barrage of unsubstantiated accusations fresh out of voeg’s propaganda machine. So be it – I refuse to cower to bullying, whether from islamic apologists or a self-righteous narcissist and his one-person army of brownshirt(s).

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 1:43 pm

          Godless wrote:

          GravenImage even had to tell Angemon that she doesn’t think Voeg would use a sock puppet. From what Voeg has told me and from what I have seen so far though she will not correct him about things he is wrong about that actually matter. Like Islam.
          ………………………………

          Godless, if you want a response from me, you might do me the courtesy of addressing me directly. What I said was not some sort of concession–I always endeavor to be honest. But despite what you may believe, I do not consider it my function here to enforce Voegelinian’s views.

          I have actually defended Voegelinian here–certainly more than any other poster. That being said, I do have differences of opinion with him, which he has generally decided to view as attacks or “betrayals”, though I have always treated him with respect.

          Would that such respect were returned. In fact, Voegelinian has on this thread characterized everyone here as “fucktards”. As I have noted, I do not believe that this helps him get his points across in any way.

          I do not consider these running spats to be useful to the Counter JIhad. We face a terrible threat from Islam, and I have never believed that biting each other’s ankles in the trenches, so to speak, is helpful.

          And the assertion that Angemon is simply wrong about Islam is an odd one. Voegelinian and Angemon actually *agree* on most points about Islam. That being said, I have at times differed on some particular point with Angemon, as well–as has he with me. The difference is that we don’t consider each other some sort of enemy as a result.

          I have told Voegelinian many times that I consider him an ally and even a friend. It is up to him whether he regards me in the same way.

          More:

          It is hilarious that Angemon thinks he can wriggle his way out of having been wrong about Voeg and I being the same person.
          ………………………………

          Actually, while I said that I do not believe Voegelinian to be using proxies, based on what I know of his character, I have not actually proven it. I could not do so without access to information about server origin, which of course I do not have.

          More:

          Angemon from what I have seen you project everything you are guilty of onto other people. Your replies to me so far have not been actual responses to my questions and points. I can see that you people will never fully grasp the problem of Islam. Know that you appear to us (Voeg and I) the same way that people who defend Islam appear to you. So irrational. If Angemon came on Paltalk and debated me live on mic about the problem of Islam I would destroy him.
          ………………………………

          So far, you have actually said very little about Islam itself here, Godless, so I have no way of knowing whether you are more knowledgeable about Islam than Angemon, than myself, than Nicolai Sennels, than Robert Spencer, or than anyone else here.

          But I would mention this: for myself, unless I am addressing an actual Jihadist or outright apologist for Islam, I have no interest in “destroying” someone I am having a conversation with.

          Instead, I hope to convince them that Islam is indeed a threat. I hope to make an ally.

          Even if you have disagreements on how precisely to deal with the threat of Jihad, it would seem that regarding the entire readership of what is perhaps the premier Anti-Jihad site as your enemies might, indeed, not be the best approach if you actually want to fight Jihad–rather than just your fellow Anti-Jihadists.

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:24 pm

          gravenimage posted:

          “Godless, if you want a response from me, you might do me the courtesy of addressing me directly.”

          I suspect that’s not the case, GI. Godless is not addressing anyone in particular with that paragraph. It’s clearly voegelinian-esque in nature: speaking to an invisible third party and telling a narrative, like voeg did many, many times.

        • TheBuffster says

          Oct 18, 2015 at 6:55 am

          Bravo, Graven!

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 10:54 pm

          Godless wrote:

          You guys act like the leaders in the counter-Jihad are gods who should not be criticized.
          ……………………………………

          I’m not sure where you got that idea, Godless. The fact is that posters disagree with each fairly frequently, as well as with those who might be considered leaders.

          I admire Geert Wilders, but disagree with his economic policies. I respect Dr. Daniel Pipes, but believe he is too optimistic about the chances of Islam reforming itself.

          I have the greatest respect for Robert Spencer and all his work, but I have had a difference of opinion with him on occasion, as well, and have said so. Others have also done so. The implication that this is barred here is simply incorrect.

          The thing is that I personally would not regard *any* Counter-Jihad leader–or even any Anti-Jihad reader–to be a “fucktard”. If someone is working against Jihad in any way–even if in my opinion somewhat imperfectly–I consider them an ally.

          More:

          You probably consider GravenImage and Mirren your “followers” and think you are still ahead of Voeg by 1 even though I am here now. Such a silly way to think.
          ……………………………………

          I cannot speak for Angemon or anyone else here, but I really doubt he would consider Mirren and myself “followers”. Certainly, the very independent-minded Mirren always speaks her mind–she has *never* parroted anyone else.

          As a rule, we consider each other colleagues–while there are some posters whom I especially admire, *for the quality of their work*, not for some sort of popularity contest.I don’t believe that there are “followers” here at all.

          The fact is that most Anti-Jihadists oppose Islam not just for its hideous violence, but also for its crushing of conscience and independent thinking.

          For that very reason most Anti-Jihdists are independent thinkers–and not sycophantic “followers”.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 11:27 pm

          Angemon wrote:

          gravenimage posted:

          “Godless, if you want a response from me, you might do me the courtesy of addressing me directly.”

          I suspect that’s not the case, GI. Godless is not addressing anyone in particular with that paragraph.
          …………………………..

          Probably so.

      • Lia Wissing says

        Oct 13, 2015 at 5:49 am

        Do they teach them as babies to screech, shout & generally go on llke in Lucia di Lammermoor? No wonder the adults are so practised!!!

    • TheBuffster says

      Oct 13, 2015 at 12:09 am

      Yeah, we do have to wait. This isn’t a matter of being “asymptotic”, it’s a matter of logic. And of asking some questions.

      The guy was “radicalized”. Where was he radicalized? In prison? Was he even a Muslim before he went to prison?

      What was he in prison for? Did he do violent crimes before he was radicalized? Was this crime in character for him from before he was radicalized?

      Maybe his radicalization had everything to do with shooting a kafir police officer so that he could get shot and go to Paradise. Or maybe he would have done the same thing whether he was a Muslim or not, in any botched robbery attempt where the police were after him.

      Of course, a “radicalized” Christian wouldn’t be escaping prison and committing robberies. He’d be praying for his enemies and for the people he hurt and doing his time in deep remorse and repentance for his crimes, having promised God to try to emulate Christ as far as humanly possible.

      • voegelinian says

        Oct 13, 2015 at 2:48 pm

        I already said we have to wait — if it turns out to be a non-Muslim. That’s a separate issue from whether we ought to adopt the stance that assumes Muslim guilt while we’re waiting for our representatives in law enforcement and news media to take their sweet time with their forensics. We should always presume guilt over innocence with regard to any and all Muslims. That’s the mindset we, the People, should cultivate. And if you don’t think we have good reason to have this mindset, you just haven’t been reading Jihad Watch carefully enough (or you have a strange impediment in your brain like Angemon and his friends).

        • Angemon says

          Oct 13, 2015 at 4:18 pm

          voegelinian posted:

          “I already said we have to wait — if it turns out to be a non-Muslim.

          (…)

          We should always presume guilt over innocence with regard to any and all Muslims. That’s the mindset we, the People, should cultivate.”

          Sheer sophistry and red herring. In this particular case we know the perp is a muslim and guilty, and what’s being discussed is if it was an act of terrorism or a botched robbery. You said it was while the logical minded people working on fact-based approach maintain there’s not enough evidence so far to make that distinction.

          “And if you don’t think we have good reason to have this mindset, you just haven’t been reading Jihad Watch carefully enough (or you have a strange impediment in your brain like Angemon and his friends).”

          Here it is: if you don’t wholeheartedly agree with everything voeg says you have a brain problem – you’re what he called a “fucktard”. What a charming, classy fellow – I wonder why he needs to go to PalTalk to round up people to come here and support him?

        • Godless says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 9:27 am

          Voeg is making a very good and important point here. I have noticed that Angemon often avoids stating his own position on here. So then when he disagrees with you if you respond with an argument he can’t refute or a question that stumps him he can just claim he never really disagreed in the first place. Angemon do you disagree that we need to consider all Muslims enemies since we know mainstream Islam considers itself at war with Western civilization or do you have a way of distinguishing between real Muslims who are acting peaceful and moderate to deceive us and a person claiming to be a Muslim but doesn’t really follow Islam?

        • Angemon says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 8:15 pm

          Godless posted:

          “Voeg is making a very good and important point here. I have noticed that Angemon often avoids stating his own position on here.”

          You are not a very keen observer, are you? I have stated my positions here many times. For someone who claims to have read the comments section to make such a blunder… Tsk tsk…

          “So then when he disagrees with you if you respond with an argument he can’t refute or a question that stumps him”

          Something which voeg never did – unless, of course, you consider name calling and cries of “sophistry” to be “an argument I can’t refute”.

          “he can just claim he never really disagreed in the first place.”

          Can you point to where have I done that?

          “Angemon do you disagree that we need to consider all Muslims enemies since we know mainstream Islam considers itself at war with Western civilization or do you have a way of distinguishing between real Muslims who are acting peaceful and moderate to deceive us and a person claiming to be a Muslim but doesn’t really follow Islam?”

          Can you tell who’s a muslim and who isn’t?

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 14, 2015 at 2:05 pm

          Angemon has *frequently* stated his own position on here. Have you actually bothered to, for example, put Angemon’s name into the JW search engine, and read his comments, or do you just blindly swallow what voegelinian tells you he has said ?

          I, personally, agree that we need to consider * all* muslims as enemies; that, however, is afar cry from positing that we ignore our laws. On that thread about Australian mosques, I pointed out to voegelinian, that if he *really* wanted todo his bit tochange the zeitgeist, (as he asserts he does), one of the things he coulddo, is ( as I do), write letters to the powers that be, pushing this. Hedidn’t answer.

          In fact, I have often, in the past, suggested to voegelinian, that if he wants to change people’s perceptions on islam and muslims, he should do what I, and many others do; write, badger, email the powers that be. I don’t know whether he does this or not; he has certainly never, as far as I’ve seen, said that he does so.

          I would suggest that action of this sort, would be far more effective, in changing the zeitgeist, than alienating erstwhile friends and allies, by sniping behind their backs, calling them ‘fucktards’, and excoriating anyone who dares to disagree , and then going on to another website, to gee up people to come back here and carry on the vituperation.

          None of this reflects well on voegelinian, or, indeed, yourself.

          Anyway, enough of this nonsense. I, like the majority of intelligent commenters on here, will continue to discuss, debate and argue, in the full understanding that because we may disagree on various points, we don’t then go for each other’s throats and accuse each other of all sorts of heinous deviations from the gospel according to voegelinian.

          By the way, godless, be very careful that you don’t deviate, not one iota, from the gospel of voeg, because you may very well find yourself , like several people here, the target of voeg’s never ending animus against *anyone* who disagrees with him.

          Signing off, the ‘soft and nougaty softie’,

          Mirren10.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 2:10 pm

          Excellent post, Mirren.

        • Mirren10 says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 2:35 pm

          Thank you, graven.

          I do hope that things are well with you; I know you are having problems with the illness of your mother-in-law; my thoughts are with you, Bless you. X.

        • gravenimage says

          Oct 16, 2015 at 2:03 pm

          Thank you, Mirren. That means a lot to me.

  3. Sam Hawkins says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    Good news: the perp is dead.

    Bad news: he can’t be brought back to life and killed again… and again… and again.

    • Arthur says

      Oct 12, 2015 at 7:39 pm

      1:35 Muhammad said, “The person who participates in (holy battles) in Allah’s cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya [army unit] going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah’s cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive and then again martyred in His cause.”

  4. DAN CELLI says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    Remember when the french ruled ALL of their country? Not anymore. Temporary Leave to a Muslim filled with hate? Refugee’s will give France more trouble. We know why they want to go to Europe instead of other African countries were they would have more in common,Culture,Religion? These young Muslim men will eat France down to the bone. Taking in THOSE refugee’s,how stupid can you get. Do you think most of the french people want this ???

  5. gravenimage says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    France: “Radical” prisoner on the run after getting temporary leave from prison shoots policeman in the head
    ………………………………….

    Suicidal madness.

    Also, note that it never says what his original crime was–was it some act of Jihad, or more garden-variety crime? And how did authorities know he was “radicalized”–from his original offence, or from his actions following his incarceration?

    In any case, why was this Jihadist ever released in the first place?

    This policeman is in my thoughts–how many more victims will there be, with these insane policies in place, not just in France, but throughout the West?

  6. vlparker says

    Oct 12, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    So now a young cop is needlessly dead thanks once again to leftists.

    I guess that French gun control isn’t working too well. Fools.

  7. Oppressaphobe says

    Oct 13, 2015 at 8:11 am

    So I’m confused about who is the criminal here.

    They let the scum out of jail–he shoots an innocent cop–he should not have been let out–

    so THE CRIME WAS COMMITTED BY THE STUPID FRENCH GOVERNMENT.

    WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BELIEVE THE WORDS THEY SAY?

    AND WHEN WILL BE HOLD OUR GOVERNMENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF THEIR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS???

    • duh_swami says

      Oct 13, 2015 at 11:08 am

      A true story from the abyss…Once upon a time, there was a very dangerous man locked up in the institution.
      He was locked up because he wanted to see how it felt to torture, assault or kill others. Once he attacked a male nurse, He told me he wanted to see how low he could get. I told hin that to be strapped to a bed in a mental hospital was pretty low…Later he convinced the doctors to give him a weekend pass to Sab Francisco…Against my advice they allowed it. I escorted him to the bus stop. He never returned. Within 5 days he was arrested in SF for murdering dour people,Most likely to see what it felt like..

      • Angemon says

        Oct 13, 2015 at 1:15 pm

        It’s because of people like that I’m not against the death penalty.

      • TheBuffster says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 2:38 am

        Duh_Swami, do you remember what the doctors said to you when you tried to convince them not to let the guy have a pass? And what happened in the hospital after this psychopath committed those murders?

  8. Mirren10 says

    Oct 13, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    To me, the salient point here, is that a violent criminal, was **allowed temporary leave from prison** !!

    In the name of God, *why* ?

    The officials who okayed this are *complicit* in the murder of this poor policeman, and should be named, shamed, and **deprived of their jobs**.

    It is absolutely **shameful and appalling** that they should get off scot free.

    • Angemon says

      Oct 13, 2015 at 3:22 pm

      That is a good question, Mirren, and you’re not the only one asking it. According to the source:

      It turns out the dead man, a criminal with a history of violent crime who had reportedly been radicalized in prison, had been on the run since May.

      The man was supposed to return after a weekend’s leave but failed to do so.

      It has emerged he was the subject of a “fiche S”, which means anti-terrorism authorities had reason to believe he was a potential threat.

      Unions have called on the government to explain why such a dangerous individual was allowed out of prison.

  9. Mirren10 says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 2:19 am

    I love the term, ” purse-rat” ! Nice one. 🙂

    • Angemon says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 6:59 am

      A few years ago me and my friends were discussing stupid things and someone mentioned “people who carry dogs in purses”. The third thing that sprang to my mind (right after “why isn’t that considered animal cruelty” and “do the dogs defecate/urinate in the purses”) was an old cautionary tale about a family who went to Mexico, took home a stray dog and it turned out to be a disease infested rat. For whatever reason, that image stuck with me since then – someone carrying a rat in a purse thinking it was a dog.

      • Mirren10 says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 2:43 pm

        “… someone carrying a rat in a purse thinking it was a dog.””

        Shrieks ! I love you, Angemon. 🙂

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