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Germany: Altar, pulpit, baptismal font removed as church used as shelter for migrants

Oct 30, 2015 8:11 am By Robert Spencer

This is emblematic of things to come: as Europeans welcome the Muslim migrants, they will give up their own cultural identity — for the most part voluntarily, at least at first.

refugees

“Muslim migrants moved into German churches — pews, altars, crosses removed,” Pamela Geller, October 29, 2015:

Translation of this article in the Handelsblatt.com:

Refugees move to a church

Necessity is the mother of invention – and flexibility: a Protestant community offers the city of Oberhausen a church to serve as shelter. Soon shall 50 refugees move into the church. Before that, benches and altar are thrown out.

Oberhausen. A church serving as shelter: Some 50 refugees are expected to move into a evangelical church in Oberhausen. The parish had offered that to the city, city spokesperson Rainer Suhr reported on wednesday, confirming a report of the WDR (TV station). “We gladly accept that.”

The evangelical Church in the Rhineland is the first church that is presently in normal use which will be used as a refugee shelter.

Oberhausen. A church serving as shelter: Some 50 refugees are expected to move into a Protestant church in Oberhausen. The parish had offered that to the city, city spokesperson Rainer Suhr reported on Wednesday, confirming a report of the WDR (TV station). “We gladly accept that.”

The Evangelical Church in the Rhineland is the first church that is presently in normal use which will be used as a refugee shelter.

Before the refugees can move in, the seats have to be taken away. Also the altar, the pulpit and font are movable, the superintendent of the church district Oberhausen, pastor Joachim Deterding said. In the church, table groups shall be set up, so that people could prepare their own breakfast and dinner. Lunch will be delivered.

The sanitary facilities with washing machines will be put in containers next to the church. The church even wants to get involved in taking care of the refugees.

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  1. Christianblood says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:23 am

    In the islamic world, muslims are murdering thousands of Christians, raping and enslaving them. In the secular anti-Christian West, Crosses and Baptismal fonts are removed to please and house the very muslim terrorist jihadists who are perpetrating this evil persecution. The time for God to act to punish this combined evil and safe his people is NOW!

    • Blitz2b says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 8:51 am

      “In the islamic world, muslims are murdering thousands of Christians…..”

      Could their attitude towards these Muslims be considered synonymous with Christ’s teaching of “… Love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you…” and “… If they also you on one cheek, offer your other one to them as well…” ?

      • Christianblood says

        Oct 30, 2015 at 6:21 pm

        The Christian doctrine of Turning the other cheek is a principal that is applicable only IN a conflict between two persons etc. This principal does not apply when you are faced with an evil and deadly, impersonal ideology that is actively seeking the complete annihilation of your self, your family, your faith and your way of life. Otherwise, we should lie down our arms right now, turn the other cheek, and let ISIS and other islamo-fascists take control of America and massacre and enslave our people right now! Jesus Himself, gave us the permission to use the sword and fight back against evil when He said: “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along… and whoever has no SWORD let him sell his coat and buy ONE. (St. Lukos 22:36).

        The Holy Bible also tells us (emphatically) that There is
        a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens. The Holy Bible says that: “…There is a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time for WAR and a time for peace, a time to love and a time to HATE, a time to heal and a time to KILL…” (Eccl 3).
        If Christians keep turning the other and refuse to protect themselves and their faith, they WILL BE annihilated not only by evil genocidal muslims but everyone else who hates Christianity and Christians and there plenty of such people in the world today.

        • Salome says

          Oct 30, 2015 at 10:33 pm

          True. He didn’t say, ‘and let your enemy do whatever he likes with your daughter’.

        • Tommo says

          Oct 31, 2015 at 5:55 am

          Turning the other cheek applies to all Christians under siege and is the basis for Christ’s non-violent stance towards any attacking enemy. Treat your neighbour as your would wish to be treated is another Christian teaching which applies to all people they have to confront. In time of war or persecution you either have to ditch your Christian ethics and protect your family from torture and death or stay true to the Bible and be weakened by it.

      • Annak says

        Oct 31, 2015 at 8:01 am

        Since when have Christians let invading enemy hordes in so they could love them and turn their cheeks ?? Did Jesus say that ? If so why did we fight invaders, why did we not” love “the Nazi’s ? turn the other cheek?

        Third worlders have been ” loved” in their respective countries. Billions been sent in aid medical help, charity.
        Most arriving are not Syrians or from Iraq. Most are fit young men with iphones, iPads, and lots of cash.From all over. Journalists who went to Kos to see for themselves confirm this.
        Also, are we to keep them permanently ?
        They bring their multiple wives including little girls later.
        The ” Christians” would allow this of course even if against our laws ?
        Would they dare ban such marriages ?

        These Christians should be caring for their NEIGHBOURS. Enough of them surely.No human has the time to help the whole world, and Jesus never told us to.. They should be visiting the elderly nearby making sure they are okay, as pensions been whittled down, and the sick lady down the street etc.

    • Rob says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 1:59 pm

      Well if church-reassignment is to become a common thing in Germany there’s an upside.
      One church like this one to be cleared of altar font etc while another is left as it is.
      Maybe remove the pews to give living space.
      Brief the new occupants: ‘This building is a church and has been in continual use for x years. It is very significant to the population but they feel that with winter approaching your need for shelter is a higher priority. Treat it with respect’
      Go back a month later and see what has happened to both places.

      • oldblindjohn says

        Oct 30, 2015 at 9:37 pm

        Subject: Fw: A Female Physician in Munich, Germany sends a message to the World .

        Date: October 18, 2015 at 5:01:51 PM MDT

        Yesterday, at the hospital we had a meeting about how the situation here and at the other Munich hospitals is unsustainable. Clinics cannot handle emergencies, so they are starting to send everything to the hospitals.

        Many Muslims are refusing treatment by female staff and, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially from Africa. Relations between the staff and migrants are going from bad to worse. Since last weekend, migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

        Many migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat. If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, they learn they have to pay cash. This leads to unbelievable outbursts, especially when it is about drugs for the children. They abandon the children with pharmacy staff with the words: “So, cure them here yourselves!” So the police are not just guarding the clinics and hospitals, but also large pharmacies.

        Truly we said openly: Where are all those who had welcomed in front of TV cameras, with signs at train stations?! Yes, for now, the border has been closed, but a million of them are already here and we will definitely not be able to get rid of them.

        Until now, the number of unemployed in Germany was 2.2 million. Now it will be at least 3.5 million. Most of these people are completely unemployable. A bare minimum of them have any education. What is more, their women usually do not work at all. I estimate that one in ten is pregnant. Hundreds of thousands of them have brought along infants and little kids under six, many emaciated and neglected. If this continues and German re-opens its borders, I’m going home to the Czech Republic. Nobody can keep me here in this situation, not even double the salary than at home. I went to Germany, not to Africa or the Middle East.

        Even the professor who heads our department told us how sad it makes him to see the cleaning woman, who for 800 Euros cleans every day for years, and then meets young men in the hallways who just wait with their hand outstretched, want everything for free, and when they don’t get it they throw a fit.

        I really don’t need this! But I’m afraid that if I return, that at some point it will be the same in the Czech Republic. If the Germans, with their nature cannot handle this, there in Czechia it would be total chaos. Nobody who has not come in contact with them has no idea what kind of animals they are, especially the ones from Africa, and how Muslims act superior to our staff, regarding their religious accommodation.

        For now, the local hospital staff has not come down with the diseases they brought here, but, with so many hundreds of patients every day – this is just a question of time.

        In a hospital near the Rhine, migrants attacked the staff with knives after they had handed over an 8-month-old on the brink of death, which they had dragged across half of Europe for three months. The child died in two days, despite having received top care at one of the best pediatric clinics in Germany. The physician had to undergo surgery and two nurses are laid up in the ICU. Nobody has been punished.

        The local press is forbidden to write about it, so we know about it through email. What would have happened to a German if he had stabbed a doctor and nurses with a knife? Or if he had flung his own syphilis-infected urine into a nurse’s face and so threatened her with infection? At a minimum he’d go straight to jail and later to court. With these people – so far, nothing has happened.

        And so I ask, where are all those greeters and receivers from the train stations? Sitting pretty at home, enjoying their non-profits and looking forward to more trains and their next batch of cash from acting like greeters at the stations. If it were up to me I would round up all these greeters and bring them here first to our hospital’s emergency ward, as attendants. Then, into one building with the migrants so they can look after them there themselves, without armed police, without police dogs who today are in every hospital here in Bavaria, and without medical help.

        • Tommo says

          Oct 31, 2015 at 6:26 am

          Our health services weren’t setup for this marauding army of disease carriers and inbred malformed children. Diseases such as TB and Rickets were cleared from the UK years ago only to reappear since mass immigration. Children born without throats, with genetic heart conditions and either deaf or blind or both are in need of long term treatment and care in our hospitals and clinics. With the health service in serious decline this extra burden will bring it crashing down.

      • kinley says

        Oct 31, 2015 at 8:54 am

        Was in Lanzhou city in West China 4 years ago attending an international engineering conference. Afterwards our hosts and the Chinese government bused the foreigners from Europe, US, Canada, Japan, Korea, and Columbia to visit a Tibetan temple in the mountains of West China. Bus passed through Muslim Uyghur areas. In Lanzhou, Chinese on the street were fascinated with us Westerners (even asking us to take pictures with them), since most of them had never before seen a Westerner. In contrast, the Uyghurs all gave us the evil eye, even though we were always in the bus just passing through. Even the Europeans noticed the evil eyes. The monks at the Tibetan temple told us their temple’s history about how Muslim invaders killed almost everyone in the temple and nearly destroyed their temple. Along the 150 mile trip through the Uyghur areas, about every 5 miles or so, from our bus we would see ancient Chinese pagodas, 100s to 1000s of years old. Atop every one of these Buddhist pagodas was the crescent moon and stars. I don’t think the people that originally built and used these pagodas changed their religions willingly.

      • Annak says

        Oct 31, 2015 at 9:02 am

        I could imagine them using churches and just removing pews to make room for Christian refugee families (and maybe also Azedi’s) Especially as they are the most persecuted by muslims. Standing for them as we would hope Christians would for us if fleeing persecution
        I could also understand it better if they were evangelising to the Muslims ?
        Standing for their faith, otherwise do they deny Jesus ?

        This way we show the enemy we are the easiest pushover in entire history.

  2. RonaldB says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:38 am

    It’s not so clear from the story if the pews and altar are removed to satisfy the sensibility of the refugees or to make more room.

    I think in a year’s time, it won’t make a lot of difference. Europe is letting in all the riffraff and refuse of the world, including low-skill, low-IQ, pre-agrarian savages with a cultural and instinctual heritage of fight, rape, and forage. They don’t have the intellectual courage to recognize their folly now, and persist in pretending all they have to do is to show more hospitality to the ever-increasing number of invaders.

    Once the invaders get over their initial disorientation, and begin to feel territorial, expelling them, moving them, or even tabulating them will be considered grounds for rioting. If controlling the invasion is difficult now, it will be exponentially more difficult as the borders are breached.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 8:47 am

      “It’s not so clear from the story if the pews and altar are removed to satisfy the sensibility of the refugees or to make more room.”
      ————

      I wonder why is a church needed in the first place?
      Germans will soon understand the meaning of the expression “No good deed goes unpunished.”

    • Crismoon says

      Nov 19, 2015 at 11:12 am

      I don’t know were you get your information on the Middle Eastern culture from, but you are wrong. The Islamic world brought you the very alphabet and numeric system you are sprouting your ignorant rant in. Moreover, the 20th century time and time again saw the west destablize the region with policies like the 1916 Sykes-Picot to the two Iraq conflicts. We, the west, are simply paying for our political sins. And taking in refugees is the first of our penance.

      • Western Canadian says

        Dec 22, 2015 at 6:59 pm

        Who ever told you that drivel, lied to you. islam didn’t even invent suicide bombers…

  3. somehistory says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:40 am

    Before these last few months, I had never imagined that people would willingly, voluntarily, give up their souls to the beast from satan. I thought people would fight…at least a little and in the beginning of being told they must “worship the beast and its image.” I thought most would fight to keep from getting the mark from that beast, and that there would be struggles to keep from being killed for not getting it.

    This is just astounding…mind-boggling…that they would see what islam is doing to Christians and others all over the earth, and they willingly stick their necks out to be marked…hold out an open hand to receive the mark (Revelation 13)

    What fools these people be…to give up their lives for a barbaric code that will mistreat them to death. And the arrogance of those flooding in…there is no appreciation. And why should there be? They are taught to think they deserve it. And more.

    • Jay Boo says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 8:49 am

      http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/09/08/students-write-allah-only-god-tennessee-middle-school-history-class

      Allah must be having quite a chuckle as he replenishes yet another batch of charcoal briquets and fiery brimstone while keeping his cloven hoofs and pointy tail away from the roaring flames of his “Paradise” pit.

      • somehistory says

        Oct 30, 2015 at 4:15 pm

        satan’s laughing, alright. Loud and gleefully. But not for much longer.

    • PJG says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 9:31 pm

      When I was a kid….quite a few decades ago…it was commonly thought that the Third World would push its way into Western countries. That trouble was coming was acknowledged.
      But I don’t think anyone could have imagined the enthusiasm that would develop to allow ourselves to be pushed aside. We presumed people would fight against it, and probably lose.
      Willingly giving up churches to be desecrated and trashed was not in anybody’s mind.
      Unbelievable!

      • Annak says

        Oct 31, 2015 at 8:12 am

        True. We always knew the hard left/socialists wanted us taken over, at the time by the USSR. They were openly communist, ( remember Saul Alinsky’s book Rules for Radicals and dedicated to Lucifer ??) . They now call themselves ” progressives” and deny they are cultural Marxists which they are. Their dreams are coming true now they have the churches on their side which they never did before. I bet they can’t even believe how successful they have been !

  4. Baucent says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:42 am

    Can you imagine an Imam in Turkey turning over his mosque for Christian refugees from Syria? Not likely. I predict this well meaning act will result in the church being converted into a mosque. Because after praying in the church the muslims will not accept the return to Christian services. And the good people of the parish will gladly give it.

    • Christianblood says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 12:17 pm

      Or an Imam of the American-allied Saudi Arabia doing similar thing!

  5. Angemon says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 9:37 am

    Before the refugees can move in, the seats have to be taken away. Also the altar, the pulpit and font are movable, the superintendent of the church district Oberhausen, pastor Joachim Deterding said.

    Taken never to be put back again.

  6. exdemexlib says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 10:50 am

    Unfortunately, the Germans have not reacted to this .

    Maybe soon we will witness a proper German uprising, when the ‘refugees’ start to whine that they are ‘offended’ by places that serve pig and beer …

  7. CogitoErgoSum says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 12:35 pm

    Maybe, instead of building 200 new mosques the Saudis will offer to build 200 new churches instead. And maybe the refugees (and migrants) will come to Sunday services to show their thanks and appreciation for the help given them by the Christians. Maybe? Oh no, that would not be what Allah wants. The Christians are among the most vile of creatures, aren’t they? Yeah, right. You would think that a normal, decent human being would see there’s something wrong with a god like that …, one who demands spite and hatred in return for kindness. I would reject that kind of a god. The question is: will Muslims reject that kind of a god or continue to follow the same old god who has always demanded they despise the ways and beliefs of the Christians.

  8. Karen says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    Like RonaldB said, the reasons for the removals aren’t clear. But what do they accomplish? Perhaps an additional 100 sq feet for emergency housing? Almost nothing.

    The Sancuary is just that – a sanctified space, and this should be remembered. If the removal is temporary, to help people, ok. But if politically inspired, then the pastor has shown he considers his church to be non-sacred and uninhabited by God. What a shame. Is the pastor elevating good works over recognition of Jesus? The forces to turn Christianity into a cult of niceness and good works and to shelve inconvenient Jesus never quit.

    Sad how Christians seek to camouflage their religious values, while Muslims have no such scruples. The Left has been very successful in convincing Christians that they shouldn’t seek to influence the culture, while encouraging Islamism. We need the courage to say ‘I’m not neutral about the religious values my culture embraces’.

    • CogitoErgoSum says

      Oct 30, 2015 at 3:31 pm

      I would be interested to see how these Muslims actually would react if housed in a church displaying a cross or statues and pictures of Jesus. Would they turn violent and destroy their temporary shelter or would they be thankful for the accommodations? And if they did react violently would most Germans get the message as to what to expect once these Muslims are no longer in need of assistance?

      • somehistory says

        Oct 30, 2015 at 4:24 pm

        You might like to read the news about those in Sweden complaining about the food, the cold, the trees and slashing the tires on the cars belonging to those Swedish citizens who are trying to help them.

        http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260622/syrian-refugees-not-happy-all-cold-and-trees-daniel-greenfield

  9. Rita says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    This is of course the Lutheran church, Adolf-ine Merkel belongs to.

    And here is the picture of a little catholic wayside chapel which makes me very sad and fearful under a German Führer like Merkel who must truly hate her people to sell it sooooooooooooooo cheaply:
    http://littlenotesfromparis.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/for-whom-bell-tolls.html

  10. Myxlplik says

    Oct 30, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Disturbing video describing hospital conditions in Germany. http://youtu.be/TAOJ2OJfEpY

    I have one word for those who govern the EU and Europe.

    “Guillotine”

  11. citycat says

    Oct 31, 2015 at 1:40 am

    Yesterday or before, someone called Alex Marshall on the radio talking about his travels, his view of nationalism versus patriotism, long story short- near the end of his talk-
    he says that migrants should be viewed how he views them, with some sort of compassion and empathy- stuff along those lines
    Migrants- presumably that includes Muslim Migrants-
    But ask a migrant, who is a muslim, if he regards himself as a muslim migrant, or as a migrant muslim.
    There seems to be a clash of views of Islam, not by muslims though, unless apostates, and so follows a clash of do’s.
    Is it the same with Jihad Terror.
    Terror is only one of Islam’s tools, like stealth jihad, rape jihad etc
    Terror attacks, attacks by Terror, not Jihad though?
    Jihad terror is more like Terror Jihad, Jihad being the action, terror being an aspect of jihad as much is the buying of the corner shop is an aspect of jihad.

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