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“Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause”—Pakistani president to Reagan

Oct 9, 2015 2:08 pm By Raymond Ibrahim

Ben Carson recently created controversy by warning against the Muslim doctrine of taqiyya, which allows Muslims to deceive non-Muslims.  I already addressed the accuracy of Carson’s statements here, and the media’s attempts to discredit him here.

Soon thereafter, Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, brought an interesting anecdote to my attention.

Back in the 1980s, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the president of Pakistan, explained to Ronald Reagan how it was no problem for the Pakistanis to sign the Geneva agreements and yet continue supplying weapons to the Afghan jihadis (“freedom fighters”) combating the Soviet Union.

Zia and Reagan

Why wasn’t it a problem?  According to Zia, “We’ll just lie about it.  That’s what we’ve been doing for eight years.”  He added, “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause.”  (Click here for source and image of excerpt)

Compare this casual statement from the president of a Muslim nation with the claims of UCLA’s Abou El Fadl, whom the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler quoted at length in an effort to prove Carson wrong about taqiyya.  According to the Muslim professor, “there is no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal. That is a complete invention.”

So which Muslim do you believe?  The strong and secure Muslim who said that “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, jihad against “infidels.”  Or the Muslim minority surrounded by American “infidels” who claims that there is “no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal”?

Apparently it never occurred to the WaPo’s Kessler that El Fadl himself may have been exercising, in Zia’s words, his Muslim “right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, to prevent Americans from ever being suspicious of Muslim individuals and organizations in the U.S.

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  1. Dan says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    Little logic here!?

    EVERYBODY who lies, believes they’re lying for a good cause. Most times it’s just for personal gain or safety, cause the rest of society doesn’t tolerate liars.

    But when a whole dang culture agrees with that principle?

    They can justify ANYTHING.

    The best way to deal with such a culture is to say, “Think very very carefully before open your mouth, cause I have no choice but to assume you’re lying. In which case, I’m gonna be kicking your ass no matter what, the severity of your beating which depends upon MY opinion of how bad your lie hurt me, my family, my friends, and my country.”

  2. Ehsan Butt says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    Quran 4: 135: “O you who believe! Be you staunch in justice (right, truth), witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or (your) parents or (your) kindred, whether (the case be of) a rich man or a poor man, for Allah is nearer unto both . So follow not passion lest you lapse (from truth) and if you lapse or fall away, then lo! Allah is ever informed of what you do”. (An-Nisa, Chapter4, Verse135)

  3. nicu says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    Muslims have the right to commit any crime in the world – according to them !

    Why nobody stops them ????

    • mezcukor says

      Oct 10, 2015 at 8:41 am

      I am an islamophobe and proud to be

  4. andy says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    Very interesting. I wonder if Mr Kessler will respond to this info, he seems to be a naive fool.

  5. Jaladhi says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    It is well known in India and other countries where Muslims have lived that a Muslim is never truthful. Simple, and the Pakistani President Zia was at least truthful in admitting this fact to President Ronald Reagan. But a common Muslim will never admit it that he always lies in everyday life, more so if Islam is concerned. There was a caveat in Zia’s statement when he stipulated this being done in a “good cause”- a Muslim considers everything related to Islam and Muslims as a good cause. So there you go – when will the West understand this and stop believing Muslims!! And stop Muslim immigration to the West!

    • Mike H says

      Oct 10, 2015 at 12:04 pm

      I agree fully Jaladhi. This is the proper way to see this matter and no other way.

  6. Mirren10 says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    Zia is one of the ‘tiny minority of extremists’, obviously !

  7. Jaladhi says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    >”Compare this casual statement from the president of a Muslim nation with the claims of UCLA’s Abou El Fadl, whom the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler quoted at length in an effort to prove Carson wrong about taqiyya. According to the Muslim professor, “there is no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal. That is a complete invention.”

    This fool of a professor is lying through his teeth!! Or he has never studied Quran, hadith and sira. It only proves that a Muslim never ever tells the truth – always lies to save his hide and his religion’s hide!!

  8. Myxlplik says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    All embassies from Islamic organizations and States have been shut down, and replaced with Gibbons and Siamangs.

    Current Washinton Embassy location for the Islamic world:

    http://youtu.be/HmDKvuUz6fg

  9. underbed cat says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Interesting article, also that “freedom fighters” is always a word for muslim jihadist to kill the infidels..I guess Russia knows who is a jihadist. It also reveals that muslims will never honor a treaty with an infidel… think Iran and what Israel has had to put up with in the same period. Love to know the thoughts of Regan after that statement. He is my friend and I will trust him( also a deception) or he is a sneaky fellow.

    Funny also we had a very weak border, and the 80’s we had mass migration.

  10. Kenneth T. Tellis says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    If Muslims can lie for a good cause, then they should be allowed to lie with PIGS, like their False Prophet Muhammed Ibn Abdalla did when he lived~

  11. Dave J says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    So they will always lie about not lying – got it.

    By their own religious edicts they are telling us that you can never trust a Muslim.

    You can’t say we weren’t warned.

  12. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    In addition to lying in a good cause, there are several other things that make Islam special and unique among religions:

    – The right to kill all non-Moslems

    – The right to subjugate all non-Moslems

    – The right to have sex with pre-pubescent children

    – The right to right to steal from non-Moslems

    – The right to force Infidel houses of worship to shut down or operate without signage; Hindu temples for example are often burned to the ground for not answering the call to shut down; Hagia Sofia is an example of a shut down chruch

    – The right to force Infidels to not wear symbols of their non-Moslem religion

    Right right right. The Moslems are always right; they always have the right. Islam is the rightest religion in the world. One of the world’s great religions one of the three Abrahamic faiths.

  13. somehistory says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    Improper desire originates in the heart. The first wrong, after the desire, was a lie. A big lie.

    If one is willing to lie, there really is nothing to stop them from committing other wrong acts.

    Any dishonest action is a form of lying…stealing, pretending something different than what is true, etc.
    If one is willing to lie to family, neighbors, employer, employee, then that one is also likely to commit other actions akin to outright lying. Stealing, adultery, etc. And any other wrong doing can be covered by lying and denying. Lying is a deep dark pit that leads to all sorts of wrong doing and evil actions.

    Because islam not only puts a big OK on lying, it is commanded and demanded of moslems in order to advance islam and the goals of taking over the entire human population and forcing submission.

    There is the saying of the pathological liar: “Everything I say is a lie.” Except that the liar admits to lying, which is the truth, which means that they don’t always lie, which is really lying when they are telling the truth.

    This is the way of islam. Never trust the moslem to tell the truth. They must advance islam and if one is questioning the moslem about the fact of lying being a command of islam, and the moslem detects the fact that the questioner is adverse to lying, the moslem will lie and say islam doesn’t permit lying

    In that case: don’t trust. Just verify.

  14. Edward says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause.”

    Hmm, so they call their god “Allah” for a good cause, but it does not exist. So the name allah is just code name for a supremacy cause then right.

    As for mohammad is a figment of a muslim’s mind also…..they have been lying about the prophet for the past 1400 years for a good cause.

    Perhaps,they have been lying about the legitimacy of the Koran too!

    That proves it in reality; that the muslim’s have been in cahoots’ with the “prince of lies” for the past 1400 years. It has been written that Satan manifested thus became the ruler of this world and the prince of the power of the air.

    This is what the Holy Scriptures write about Satan “The Prince of Lies” :

    John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.”

    2 Corinthians 4:4 “In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    Ephesians 2:2 “In which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.”

    The Muslim’s are truly “the sons of disobedience”!

    Their relation to Satan is proclaimed in the above passages is being inferred!

    • Edward says

      Oct 9, 2015 at 11:31 pm

      Much kudos to Raymond Ibrahim and Robert Spencer for revealing a Muslim’s innate lying attribute which has seems to be a normal cultural sinister tradition of the Muslim world. This revelation says much about a Muslim’s moral ranking. I hope more info on this matter would be made available to us and as well for wide distribution to the general public. The entire citizenship needs to know more about Muslim’s community customs. Not to aggravate them, but to know more about their anger threshold and other unknown behaviors that might be helpful to fend ourselves against any encounters.

      “Back in the 1980s, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the president of Pakistan, explained to Ronald Reagan how it was no problem for the Pakistanis to sign the Geneva agreements and yet continue supplying weapons to the Afghan jihadis (“freedom fighters”) combating the Soviet Union.”

      They lied for eight solid years. What happened here, didn’t Reagan have policy of “agreeing, but verifying” on every foreign agreement? On the hand the Pakis were doing us a favor. Perhaps Reagan smiled when he heard about the Muslim’s warfare tactic’s.

      I wonder how many more extra deaths were committed because of their sinister based lies.

      Just a thought: is Pope Francis telling a fib when he says that Islam is a ‘Religion of Peace’ :-))

    • Screeminmeeme says

      Oct 10, 2015 at 10:43 pm

      Jesus Christ, God the Son and Incarnate Truth, said:

      Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

      Adam’s first response to God after the Fall was to lie to cover up his sin, and ever since mankind has been lying freely with no thought to its implications.

  15. Edward says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    John 12:31 “Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.”

    Let us pray that the snare around the “prince of lies” keeps on tightening!

    Now is the judgment of this world is in our court!

    Submit yourselves*, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. –
    James 4:7

    *First of all submit ourselves to the virtue of Courage that will help to manifest into our spiritual strength to outdo any evil anywhere, anytime!

  16. Angemon says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    According to Zia, “We’ll just lie about it. That’s what we’ve been doing for eight years.” He added, “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause.”

    Two things:

    1 – Who decides what a “good cause” is? Oh yeah…

    2 – “Good cause” = “the ends justify the means”. Some of the worst things in history started as a “good cause”.

  17. Rob says

    Oct 9, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    Is it time for the ‘Taqiyya Dance’? I think so:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe0BNKoGON4

    And just remember, this has ‘Nothing to do with islam’:

  18. Shane Brandon says

    Oct 10, 2015 at 9:49 am

    One line in the quran sums up the mentality of muslims.”Lie to the infidel to get gain.”End of story.

    • Kenneth T. Tellis says

      Oct 10, 2015 at 3:32 pm

      If Muslims are allowed to lie for a good cause, then let them lie while screwing PIGS.

  19. underbed cat says

    Oct 10, 2015 at 12:40 pm

    dave j10/9/2015 says,” So they will always lie about not lying – got it.”
    The very first muslim I knew who carried a “green book”, did not lie to me, my unspoken reaction ….this is creepy, weird as she told me about Mo and spreading islam in all countries, about the penalties with a sword (sharia law ) if a muslim were to lie, steal, and act immoral. I was maybe 16. We were friends, shared a class, I was invited to her home. Father drank a high ball, brother slightly interested , mother talked about Mo….she was I think Swedish, the father appeared middle eastern…lucky for me she told the truth. So it is no surprise this relgion ideology could only spread by the deception.Fast forward and it seems they are accomplishng a goal, large muslim populations in the world, Russia, U.S, Germany you name they have but they are getting away with suppression of truth. Which is really creepy and they still keep a secret and shame those who understand the methods and true message of jihad.

  20. underbed cat says

    Oct 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    People who resist lying never suspect that a person can lie without showing a hint of shame and lie with conviction. This renders, perhaps a bad word, the rest of the people who choose to tell the truth a little in the dark about lying or deception.

    somehistory said, “so in that case, don’t trust. Just verify”. In steps the mb, trying to confirm the lie, by a lie that they are peaceful. Confused. Explaining that some sources have a purpose to say it is a lie when someone exposes the doctrine with it’s inherent unpeacefulness.

  21. xxxChurch100 says

    Oct 10, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    VOTE 1 DR BEN CARSON

  22. Jerry says

    Oct 11, 2015 at 10:52 am

    Now I can fully understand why Satan told Mohammad that he is Jibril – the angle Gabriel,
    all in a “good cause”.

    That’s, unless the whole of the Qur’an is a just pack of lies invented and disseminated by Mohammad
    in the “good cause” of allowing that genocidal desert warlord, caravan robber, mass murderer, plunderer, slave hunter and trader, rapist and paedophile to gain his power and influence and riches.

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