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Raymond Ibrahim: “Abducting Women” and “Destroying Churches” is “Real Islam,” Says Iraqi Grand Ayatollah

Oct 15, 2015 9:24 am By Raymond Ibrahim

During a recent televised interview with Grand Ayatollah Ahmad al-Baghdadi, the leading Shia cleric of Iraq made clear why Islam and the rest of the world can never peacefully coexist.

First he spent some time discussing “defensive jihad,” saying that all capable Muslims are obligated to fight for the “liberation” of “occupied” territory, for instance, Israel (see here for a list of European countries also deemed “occupied” in the eyes of Islam).

He then explained “offensive jihad,” Islam’s primary bloodline, which forged what we now call the “Muslim world” over the centuries.

According to the ayatollah, when they can—when circumstance permits it, when they are strong enough—Muslims are obligated to go on the offensive and conquer non-Muslims (a fact to be kept in mind as millions of Muslim “refugees” flood the West).

The Muslim cleric repeatedly yelled at the secularized host who kept interrupting him and protesting that Islam cannot teach such intolerance.  At one point, he burst out: “I am the scholar of Islam [al-faqih].  You are just a journalist.  Listen to me!”

Expounded Al-Baghdadi:

If they are people of the book [Jews and Christians] we demand of them the jizya—and if they refuse, then we fight them.  That is if he is Christian. He has three choices: either convert to Islam, or, if he refuses and wishes to remain Christian, then pay the jizya [and live according to dhimmi rules].

But if they still refuse—then we fight them, and we abduct their women, and destroy their churches—this is Islam!… Come on, learn what Islam is, are you even a Muslim?!

As for the polytheists [Hindus, Buddhists, etc.] we allow them to choose between Islam and war!  This is not the opinion of Ahmad al-Husseini al-Baghdadi, but the opinion of all five schools of jurisprudence [four Sunni and one Shia].

Towards the end of the interview, because the clean-shaven, suit-and-tie-wearing host kept protesting that this cannot be Islam, the ayatollah burst out, pointing at him with contempt and saying, “Who are you? You’re going to tell me what to believe?  This is the word of Allah!”… Keep reading

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  1. Jaladhi says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Yeah, yeah, \.. but the grand ayatollah in Washington doesn’t believe it!! LOL…

    Finally a Muslim imam is telling the truth but there are no believers in the West(leaders, media, academia and some “experts”). They claim they know real Islam than the Muslim themselves. Sigh .. what a bunch of delusional western leaders we have. I am beginning to believe that hey are totatl cowards and nothing else!

    • Voytek Gagalka says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 4:47 pm

      They (in the west) can have this (temporary) “comfort” of not believing that is is in fact REAL Islam, only because still Muslims are small minority in America (just below 2% currently). But wait until their numbers will grow, to 10% (like in European countries) or clear majority in the ME. At that moment you will not hear from those non-believing “experts” on Islam anymore, as they will be either subjugated or killed.

    • Michael Copeland says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 5:09 pm

      “Mr. Cameron, Islam Is Hostile”
      http://www.libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/news-libertygb/6923-mr-cameron-islam-is-hostile

      • Jaladhi says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 7:32 pm

        If after knowing 1400 years of Islamic history of looting, invading, murdering, raping, converting,… somebody doesn’t know or think Islam is hostile to the world then one cannot find a bigger fool than him. Now, one can include all Western leaders, media, experts, academia in this category.. The poor citizens are left to fend for themselves!1

    • Shane says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 10:14 am

      Sadly, Obama is even more gutless and clueless than the UK’s PM Cameron. Obama is the worst President in our history, and the least patriotic President in US history.

  2. ZAHEER HUSAIN KHAN says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 9:58 am

    NIETHER THERE IS ANY SUCH AYATOLLAH NOR THESE WORDS AND VIEW COULD BE OF A SHIA
    OR EVEN A GOOD SUNNI CLERIC . THIS IS ALL BOGUS .
    SHIAS BELIEVE AND ACT ON THE COMMAND OF THE RASOOL KAREEM (saawaws)
    CHRISTIANS AND JEWS SHOULD FEEL SAFE AND SECURE IN THE COMPANY OF OUR UMMAH.
    IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM TO ENSURE THE SAFETY & PROTECTION OF EVERY PLACE OF WORSHIP OF YAHOOD O NASARAH ( this implies all non muslims) .
    JEHAD IS SAQIT WITHOUT BEING LEAD BY RASOOL (s) OR HIS IMMEDIATE AHLEBAYT (a s ).
    ONE HAS ONLY RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF , HIS FAMILY & HIS COUNTRY. .

    • Marty says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 10:12 am

      How come that from the medieval period onwards mohammedans
      have been slave dealing, Jew killing , Christian enslaving, murderous,
      child raping heathen colonists & criminals ?
      Someone seems to have been reading a liberal approved version of
      World history

    • mortimer says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 11:25 am

      Zaheer Khan wrote: “NIETHER THERE IS ANY SUCH AYATOLLAH”

      Actually, the title is correct.

      Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ahmad Hassani Baghdadi (Arabic: السيد احمد الحسني البغدادي) (born 1944) is an Iraqi Twelver Shi’a Marja.He currently lives in Najaf, Iraq. He is the author of numerous Islamic books. At the end of 2012, he issued a fatwa that Christianity had not to be tolerated in Iraq, Christians would have to be forced to convert or to die.

      His website: http://www.alsaed-albaghdadi.com/

      • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 12:31 pm

        Now what the heck is a Marja? Did I miss one in my list of pompous titles below?!

        • Mazo says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 2:28 pm

          It is an Ayatollah whom Twelver Shia follow for religious opinions.

          Twelver Shia inviduals each follow a specific Marja as they choose for religious guidance and follow his Fatawa. They are only oblidged to follow one Marja and can ignore other ones.

    • mortimer says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 12:33 pm

      Zaheer Khan wrote: “THIS IS ALL BOGUS … CHRISTIANS AND JEWS SHOULD FEEL SAFE AND SECURE IN THE COMPANY OF OUR UMMAH.”

      Zaheer Khan is not an ayatollah. Grand Ayatollah Ahmad al-Baghdadi pointed out, “I am the scholar of Islam [al-faqih] … Listen to me!”

      “Who are you (Mr. Khan)? You’re going to tell me what to believe? This is the word of Allah!”

      He underlined that the need for Muslims to wage offensive jihad against Christians “is not the opinion of Ahmad al-Husseini al-Baghdadi… This is the word of Allah!”

      Mr. Khan, are you opinions superior to those of the Grand Ayatollah? He himself says you are not qualified.

    • Steve says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 8:37 pm

      I tend to believe that it is the truth. How can anyone feel safe around muslims with all of their demon possessed behavior. Just ask the Christians of Iraq how safe they feel around them. Muslims are dirty, vile disgusting animals, no they are pigs. Look at their actions, don’t listen to what they say because it’s all lies, the lies of their master satan and their pedophile prophet mohammed who set the bar very low. He is the one that they want to be like. Shame on them all, repent, turn from your evil.

    • Shane says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 10:16 am

      Your taqiyya will not work at this forum and stop shouting. Islam is a religion of war and misogyny.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 11:26 pm

      The ranting Taqiyya artist ZAHEER HUSAIN KHAN wrote:

      NIETHER (sic) THERE IS ANY SUCH AYATOLLAH
      …………………………..

      The existence of this cleric is well documented–he’s been around since 1944.

      More:

      NOR THESE WORDS AND VIEW COULD BE OF A SHIA
      OR EVEN A GOOD SUNNI CLERIC . THIS IS ALL BOGUS .
      …………………………..

      This is, in fact, mainstream Islam, both Sunni and Shia.

      More:

      SHIAS BELIEVE AND ACT ON THE COMMAND OF THE RASOOL KAREEM [generous or noble Messenger–reference to the “Prophet” Muhammed–GI] (saawaws)
      CHRISTIANS AND JEWS SHOULD FEEL SAFE AND SECURE IN THE COMPANY OF OUR UMMAH.
      IT IS THE DUTY OF EVERY MUSLIM TO ENSURE THE SAFETY & PROTECTION OF EVERY PLACE OF WORSHIP OF YAHOOD O NASARAH
      …………………………..

      This *only* applies to Jews and Christians living under Islamic law who have submitted to Muslim rule by paying the Jizya and agreed to live as oppressed and threatened dhimmis–which is *exactly* what the Ayatollah noted.

      More:

      ( this implies all non muslims) .
      …………………………..

      Actually, not so. “YAHOOD O NASARAH” specifically refers to Jews and Christians–again, just as the Ayatollah said.

      More:

      JEHAD IS SAQIT [“void”–GI] WITHOUT BEING LEAD BY RASOOL [“Messenger” (usually refers to “Prophet” Muhammed)–GI] m(s) OR HIS IMMEDIATE AHLEBAYT [household of the “Prophet”–GI] (a s ). ONE HAS ONLY RIGHT TO DEFEND HIMSELF , HIS FAMILY & HIS COUNTRY. .
      …………………………..

      Well, *this* is misleading. Firstly, this is purely a Shia concept–Sunnis believe that offensive Jihad is permissible by order of the Caliph–which is why the Islamic State is upping the ante of violent savagery.

      But it is misleading for another reason, as well–Ahl al-Bayṫ does not just refer to the “household of the Prophet” in the narrow sense of his immediate descendants–the fact is that *all* pious Shia regard themselves as Ahl al-Bayṫ–meaning that this devout Ayatollah is well within his rights in the Islamic sense in demanding this Muslim savagery against the ‘filthy Infidel’.

  3. Angemon says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 10:35 am

    Towards the end of the interview, because the clean-shaven, suit-and-tie-wearing host kept protesting that this cannot be Islam, the ayatollah burst out, pointing at him with contempt and saying, “Who are you? You’re going to tell me what to believe? This is the word of Allah!”

    I’d say this is a good representation of the uphill battle Al-Sisi (or any other pan arabist) is facing.

  4. Don McKellar says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 10:49 am

    Wait a second here, this just doesn’t compute…

    The Grand Ayatollah Ahmad al-Baghdadi, the leading Shia cleric of Iraq, has the same understanding of Islam as the Sunni Caliphate al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State? And both of them have the same understanding of Islam as every seasoned reader of Jihad Watch does?

    Isn’t it time for the whole gang of delusional fools and lairs – Cameron, Biden, Obama, Kerry, the Pope, and all the rest — to hop on some planes and fly over there and explain to the Grand Ayatollah of Iraq how wrong he is on Islam, the religion of peace?

    • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

      Oct 15, 2015 at 11:11 am

      Great idea and I’m sure they’d love to go and have that discussion with the Grand Ayatollah, but this ain’t gonna be because security risks are way too high.

      Say, if Grand Ayatollah Ahmad al-Baghdadi is a Grand Ayatollah, does this mean he’s more powerful than Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who doesn’t have “Grand” in his title? It’s so hard keeping up with titles used by these hairy leaders of Moslems: Muezzins, Hafiz, Mujtahids, Imams, Ulamas, Sheikhs, Cadis, Mullahs, Sultans, Muftis, Grand Muftis, Ayatollahs, Grand Ayatollahs… damn, has somebody got this under control? Maybe the administrators at Hahvard Uniburpadee have a professor specializing in this, somebody close to uber dhimmi Dr. Daniel Pipes, maybe. Where are the academics when you need them? They’re like cops, they only show up when you don’t wanna see ’em around.

      • Don McKellar says

        Oct 15, 2015 at 12:19 pm

        Yes, it is all rather confusing — even more so than European royalty. Nobody can do puffed up, overlapping, and largely nonsensical titles, better than the moslems. But that’s all just part of the charm of these kindly humanitarians.

        • Alarmed Pig Farmer says

          Oct 15, 2015 at 12:30 pm

          Yes, the Moslems are the best at titularism. Add to that the fact that they have ten ways of spelling everything. These guys are fluid.

      • gravenimage says

        Oct 16, 2015 at 11:33 pm

        Alarmed Pig Farmer wrote:

        …uber dhimmi Dr. Daniel Pipes…
        …………………..

        I love you, APF, but I have to disagree with your characterization of Dr. Pipes.

        I believe he is *far* too optimistic about the possibilities of Islam reforming itself, but the man is a real Anti-Jihadist–and a very brave one. He is *no* dhimmi.

        While I differ with his opinion on this point, the fact is that if everyone in the West had at least the same understanding of the threat of Islam that Dr. Pipes does, then we wouldn’t be in the suicidal state of denial that so much of our society is in.

  5. Alarmed Pig Farmer says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 10:55 am

    When you see a legless war vet in a wheelchair, remember that he fought and sacrificed for this Grand Ayatollah Ahmad al-Baghdadi guy. Also remember that the IED that maimed the vet was paid for by our new negotiating partner Iran. Discussion was near zero during the Iraq and Afghan wars that the victories there were manifested in the adoption of Sharia constitutions, which of course meant that the victories were temporary, for the good guys, at least. Sharia in the constitutions was barely mentioned anywhere on TV or in the newspapers, including on Fox RINO by the likes of news entertainment superstar Bill O’Reilly, who wouldn’t know a salient fact if it bit him on the ass. But the maimed vet knows.

    • Alfred E Neuman says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 2:14 am

      Nah, this ayatollah misinterprete the Koran like all the terrorists. Islam is a Religion Of Peace. Jihad in the Holy Koran meant spiritual struggles. It is written in the Koran that those who dies in the course of their spiritual struggles will go to heaven and be rewarded with “A bunch of 72 grapes with luscious eyes and big Breasts.” This ayatollah clearly never read his Koran.

  6. madmemere says

    Oct 15, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    This underling ayatollah has just declared war; he believe the lies of his allah over the facts of life. Taquyiia is the lie he lives by and will, therefore, die by! If ever there was an invitation to turn Iran and the palestinian enclave into glass, this was it.

  7. RaymondX says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 11:10 am

    He could be playing reverse-psychology. The best way to make Muslims leave Islam is to show everyone how evil it is. Who else is the best man to do it besides the Muslim cleric?

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 11:34 pm

      Yeah–no doubt that’s what’s going on here…sarc/off

  8. Roxelana says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 1:28 pm

    More bullshit propaganda from Spencer and co. Why am I not surprised?

    • Angemon says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 5:31 pm

      Prove it.

    • gravenimage says

      Oct 16, 2015 at 11:38 pm

      In what way? This cleric is well known, this was televised, and there is a video of the incident right in article.

      Moreover, this notorious Ayatollah has said things like this before–including issuing a Fatwa in 1012 demanding that Christians in Iraq convert to Islam or suffer the consequences.

      Sorry–Muslim savagery is amply documented. Your claiming it somehow doesn’t exist simply doesn’t cut it.

  9. Wilmot MATHER says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    There is no doubt that Islam is a cult promoting violence & hatred. One has only got to read the Koran where it mentions about killing people of other faiths, converting people to the Muslim “religion”, allowing child marriages, subjugate other countries by force etc.

  10. Edgar Allen says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Here’s a link to a copy of this video with English Subtitles.

  11. gravenimage says

    Oct 16, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    Raymond Ibrahim: “Abducting Women” and “Destroying Churches” is “Real Islam,” Says Iraqi Grand Ayatollah
    ……………………

    Yes–this is orthodox Islam.

  12. Darka Goh says

    Oct 17, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    I think this man has overdosed on his medication.

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